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And thank"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2544.98,"endTime":2548.52,"body":"you for listening for being here"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2544.98,"endTime":2548.52,"body":"and for showing up in your"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2548.52,"endTime":2551.3700000000003,"body":"communities and in your"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2548.52,"endTime":2551.3700000000003,"body":"relationship, as best as you"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2551.3700000000003,"endTime":2553.05,"body":"can. Until next time."}]}