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What"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":3704.0800000000004,"endTime":3708.13,"body":"about you?"},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":3708.1600000000003,"endTime":3711.76,"body":"Yeah, I feel you"},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":3708.1600000000003,"endTime":3711.76,"body":"I, I think it's been so"},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":3711.76,"endTime":3714.19,"body":"interesting to see the"},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":3711.76,"endTime":3714.19,"body":"proliferation of labels and"},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":3714.19,"endTime":3718.6000000000004,"body":"identities and helping us better"},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":3714.19,"endTime":3718.6000000000004,"body":"understand the nuances of our"},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":3718.63,"endTime":3721.57,"body":"gender and sexuality. 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But if you want to follow my"},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":4033.3500000000004,"endTime":4036.8900000000003,"body":"personal stuff, and see my cats"},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":4033.3500000000004,"endTime":4036.8900000000003,"body":"and whatnot, you can find me"},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":4037.1000000000004,"endTime":4041.84,"body":"@enfysbook on Instagram and"},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":4037.1000000000004,"endTime":4041.84,"body":"@enfysbook@kind.social on"},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":4041.84,"endTime":4042.53,"body":"Mastodon."},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4042.52,"endTime":4045.511,"body":"Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4042.52,"endTime":4045.511,"body":"for making the time to be on"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4045.576,"endTime":4049.282,"body":"gender stories today. I so"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4045.576,"endTime":4049.282,"body":"enjoyed this conversation. And"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4049.347,"endTime":4053.119,"body":"your listeners. I hope you"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4049.347,"endTime":4053.119,"body":"enjoyed this conversation about"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4053.184,"endTime":4057.0860000000002,"body":"picking this up and queerness"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4053.184,"endTime":4057.0860000000002,"body":"and magic, which I don't think"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4057.1510000000003,"endTime":4061.3770000000004,"body":"we've had quite this in this way"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4057.1510000000003,"endTime":4061.3770000000004,"body":"before. So thank you, Enfys, for"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4061.442,"endTime":4065.344,"body":"coming on gender stories, and"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4061.442,"endTime":4065.344,"body":"maybe to the next episode that"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4065.409,"endTime":4066.5800000000004,"body":"we'll do together."},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":4069.28,"endTime":4070.75,"body":"That'd be"},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":4069.28,"endTime":4070.75,"body":"wonderful. It's been an honor"},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":4070.75,"endTime":4072.61,"body":"Alex, thank you so much,"},{"speaker":"Enfys J Book","startTime":4070.75,"endTime":4072.61,"body":"listeners."},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4072.6400000000003,"endTime":4075.88,"body":"Until next time,"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4072.6400000000003,"endTime":4075.88,"body":"I hope you find your own way to"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4075.88,"endTime":4079.7200000000003,"body":"feel expansive and your own"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4075.88,"endTime":4079.7200000000003,"body":"rites of passage for whatever"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4079.7200000000003,"endTime":4081.73,"body":"you want to mark in your own"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":4079.7200000000003,"endTime":4081.73,"body":"life."}]}