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I had all this"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":1076.5,"endTime":1080.82,"body":"stuff going on in my head, and"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":1076.5,"endTime":1080.82,"body":"writing provides me an outlet to"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":1081.48,"endTime":1085.08,"body":"kind of take some all the stuff"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":1081.48,"endTime":1085.08,"body":"that was in my head that maybe"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":1085.08,"endTime":1089.6399999999999,"body":"at the time, wasn't really"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":1085.08,"endTime":1089.6399999999999,"body":"constructive to me being a"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":1089.6399999999999,"endTime":1093.24,"body":"happy, productive person, but to"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":1089.6399999999999,"endTime":1093.24,"body":"use it in a positive way."},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":1094.5,"endTime":1096.5,"body":"And I want to"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":1094.5,"endTime":1096.5,"body":"thank you for sharing that. 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And then the"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2866.2200000000003,"endTime":2870.42,"body":"other thing that gives me hope"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2870.42,"endTime":2875.36,"body":"is that the statistics show that"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2870.42,"endTime":2875.36,"body":"amongst the younger generations,"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2875.54,"endTime":2879.98,"body":"there's a much higher percentage"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2875.54,"endTime":2879.98,"body":"of transgender, gender queer,"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2879.98,"endTime":2885.5600000000004,"body":"gender non conforming and LGBTQ"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2879.98,"endTime":2885.5600000000004,"body":"plus people than there are in my"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2885.5600000000004,"endTime":2890.6600000000003,"body":"generation. And as long as that"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2885.5600000000004,"endTime":2890.6600000000003,"body":"generation can be convinced to"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2891.02,"endTime":2899.6800000000003,"body":"vote, you know, I think the"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2891.02,"endTime":2899.6800000000003,"body":"future is is bright for our"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2899.6800000000003,"endTime":2900.2200000000003,"body":"people."},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2901.1800000000003,"endTime":2904.96,"body":"I couldn't agree"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2901.1800000000003,"endTime":2904.96,"body":"more. I know that it's a scary"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2904.96,"endTime":2908.5,"body":"time, or what one of many scary"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2904.96,"endTime":2908.5,"body":"times that we've gone through"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2908.5,"endTime":2913.0,"body":"historically, but I'm with you."},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2908.5,"endTime":2913.0,"body":"I see the the pushback. I mean,"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2913.0,"endTime":2917.04,"body":"I'm fortunate to live in a trans"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2913.0,"endTime":2917.04,"body":"refuge state in Minnesota. But I"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2917.04,"endTime":2921.6000000000004,"body":"also really see the change,"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2917.04,"endTime":2921.6000000000004,"body":"right? I think it was 30 or 40%"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2922.02,"endTime":2925.98,"body":"of Gen Z identify outside of the"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2922.02,"endTime":2925.98,"body":"gender binary. And"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2926.28,"endTime":2929.82,"body":"crazy the"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2926.28,"endTime":2929.82,"body":"statistics, I can't believe wild"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2929.88,"endTime":2933.0600000000004,"body":"Exactly. Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2929.88,"endTime":2933.0600000000004,"body":"it's, it's just, how can you not"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2933.0600000000004,"endTime":2935.0,"body":"have hope, right? When you see"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2933.0600000000004,"endTime":2935.0,"body":"that, well,"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2935.0,"endTime":2937.52,"body":"the good thing"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2935.0,"endTime":2937.52,"body":"is, they just don't care. Like,"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2937.52,"endTime":2941.7200000000003,"body":"gender is not an issue. Like,"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2937.52,"endTime":2941.7200000000003,"body":"wow, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2942.02,"endTime":2944.1800000000003,"body":"absolutely. Like,"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2942.02,"endTime":2944.1800000000003,"body":"regardless of political,"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2944.1800000000003,"endTime":2946.7000000000003,"body":"regardless of political"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2944.1800000000003,"endTime":2946.7000000000003,"body":"affiliation, I find the younger"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2946.7000000000003,"endTime":2949.46,"body":"folks are like, Oh, okay, those"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2946.7000000000003,"endTime":2949.46,"body":"are your pronouns, great. Like,"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2949.46,"endTime":2952.1600000000003,"body":"and then the just, like, you"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2949.46,"endTime":2952.1600000000003,"body":"know, role."},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2952.52,"endTime":2954.7000000000003,"body":"I had this, um,"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2952.52,"endTime":2954.7000000000003,"body":"10 year old niece who I'm very"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2954.76,"endTime":2961.54,"body":"close with, and she completely"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2954.76,"endTime":2961.54,"body":"treats me as a woman or anything"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2961.6000000000004,"endTime":2964.96,"body":"like I asked her, like, what do"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2961.6000000000004,"endTime":2964.96,"body":"you think about the fact I'm"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2964.96,"endTime":2970.6600000000003,"body":"transgender? And she just goes,"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2964.96,"endTime":2970.6600000000003,"body":"I just didn't care. And it made"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2970.6600000000003,"endTime":2972.7000000000003,"body":"me almost embarrassed to have"},{"speaker":"Maeve Duvally","startTime":2970.6600000000003,"endTime":2972.7000000000003,"body":"brought it up."},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2973.8390000000004,"endTime":2976.559,"body":"Yeah, I think the"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2973.8390000000004,"endTime":2976.559,"body":"younger folks look at this so"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2976.559,"endTime":2980.3390000000004,"body":"very differently. I can't even"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2976.559,"endTime":2980.3390000000004,"body":"imagine, like, in 50 years time"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2980.3390000000004,"endTime":2984.059,"body":"or 100 years time, where we will"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2980.3390000000004,"endTime":2984.059,"body":"be. And that's wonderful, right?"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2984.059,"endTime":2988.619,"body":"Because, like, I love that the"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2984.059,"endTime":2988.619,"body":"future is open and I am with"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2988.619,"endTime":2993.599,"body":"you. I think that there is there"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2988.619,"endTime":2993.599,"body":"is hope. Well, thank you so so"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2993.599,"endTime":2997.3990000000003,"body":"much for spending this time with"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2993.599,"endTime":2997.3990000000003,"body":"me and with the gender stories"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2997.3990000000003,"endTime":3000.639,"body":"listeners. And dear gender"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":2997.3990000000003,"endTime":3000.639,"body":"stories listeners, thank you so"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":3000.639,"endTime":3005.139,"body":"much for listening as usual. And"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":3000.639,"endTime":3005.139,"body":"please remember, I know that the"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":3005.139,"endTime":3008.199,"body":"fear can be great no matter what"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":3005.139,"endTime":3008.199,"body":"you're facing, but you don't"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":3008.199,"endTime":3012.219,"body":"have to suffer in silence, and"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":3008.199,"endTime":3012.219,"body":"there is always a way to connect"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":3012.219,"endTime":3017.639,"body":"with like other people and and"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":3012.219,"endTime":3017.639,"body":"and hope. And I hope that you"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":3017.639,"endTime":3021.659,"body":"can find that support and hope"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":3017.639,"endTime":3021.659,"body":"wherever you are, and until next"},{"speaker":"Alex Iantaffi","startTime":3021.659,"endTime":3022.079,"body":"time bye."}]}