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Village Hall Essentials - The Ultimate Guide

Marc Smith Season 6 Episode 6

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We pull together the most useful clips on the serious side of running a village, community, or church hall, from trustee governance to the practical safety steps that protect people and buildings. We share the moments that can save volunteers time, money, and stress, plus a few ideas that make halls warmer, more secure, and easier to run.

• trustees holding the hall in trust for the long term and sharing responsibility as a committee 
• chairing meetings with calm authority and choosing not to win every small argument 
• understanding why the hall and hirers each need appropriate insurance cover 
• recognising personal responsibility and why trustee liability is a separate discussion 
• defibrillators and the chain of survival that helps save lives 
• keeping a current fire risk assessment and acting on significant findings 
• checking specialist advice on floors and avoiding underinsurance through the average clause 
• Legionella basics, how it spreads, and why stagnation and warmth increase risk 
• spot heating as a cost-effective option for drafty halls in sporadic use 
• safeguarding as everyone’s responsibility and sharing concerns early 
• improving rural broadband and the real-world benefits for payments and access 
• thinking like a burglar to improve deterrence and reduce temptation 
• writing grant bids that stand out through personal stories rather than generic text 
• moving bookings and invoicing online without needing to be a technical expert 

Don't forget, entries for the Village Halls Inspiration Awards 2026 are open from now until the 31st of October. 
So visit our website to find out more and get involved. 
if there's a topic you'd like us to cover next, please do get in touch.


Welcome And Awards Reminder

Marc Smith

Hi, I'm Mark Smith and welcome to the Village Halls Podcast, sponsored by Allied Westminster, the UK's largest specialist provider of Village Hall insurance and the home of VillageGuard. Before we begin, a quick reminder that entries are now open for the Village Halls Inspiration Awards 2026, celebrating the incredible work happening in village, community, and church halls across the country. You can apply from now until the 31st of October, so please do consider putting your haul forward. Now, the Village Halls podcast has always been a real mix, so the uplifting stories, uh clever ideas, the people doing wonderful things for their communities.

Why Compliance Suddenly Feels Urgent

Marc Smith

But lately, I have found myself drawn again and again to the serious side of running a hall. The legislation and the compliance, the things you have to get right, albeit a little boring. And there is a reason for this, so the more halls I speak to, and I've recently taken on the treasure at my own village hall, the more I realize just how much sits on the shoulders of a few volunteers. So we've got insurance, fire safety, safeguarding, water safety. It's a genuine minefield and nobody really hands you a manual. So over the last while I went looking for the experts and asked them the questions I had in my own head. The ones I suspect a lot of you have as well. So what I pulled together here are those conversations, the ones every committee trustee and volunteer really ought to hear. You don't need to take them all at once, just dip into whatever's on your mind. So this podcast is one podcast, but it's the best of each podcast I've done that's all about the actual running of the of the haul. So I really hope you enjoyed the clips, and if you want to listen to the full podcast, I've created a single page where you can find all the podcasts that are relevant to running the haul. So I really hope you enjoy. So

What Trustees Actually Take On

Marc Smith

let's start with a recent one, empowering trustees young and old. So that's season five, episode two, when I spoke with Carol Hart from Dorset Community Action. It's a good place to begin because it really answers the questions underneath all the others. What are you actually taking on?

SPEAKER_01

Well, let me start by on picking what trustees actually do. I've been throwing around terms like governance and financial and so on. Basically, your trustees of a village hall look after the village hall for both the short term and the long term. Everybody else is kind of involved in, oh let's do a Christmas thing, let's do an Easter thing, and so on. But they're taking the longer view, but they're going actually in 20 years we've got to uh have enough money in the bank to replace the roof because it's only on a 50-year guarantee and it's 30 years old. And they make decisions about the finances are the higher um amounts enough to cover our expenses for the year. Um do we have a safeguarding policy? What about the the um health and safety regulations? Are we compliant? Um but it it sounds like um quite a responsible thing, but the point to emphasize is you're not doing this on your own, you're acting as a committee, as a group of people, and ideally um everybody brings different skills and knowledge and experience, um, maybe lived experience. Somebody has lived in the village for ages, somebody may be a retired finance professional, but everybody brings something in and a passion for the village for the community. And so you work together and support each other to do this, um, but it's essentially looking after that organization holding it literally in trust as a trustee for the future.

Marc Smith

That

Chairing Meetings Without Chaos

Marc Smith

idea of holding it in trust, looking after the place for the long term, that's the heart of it. And a big part of that is sitting round the committee table and getting things done without it descending into chaos. Which brings me to how to chair a difficult meeting with calm authority, season six, episode four. And I guess you'll almost certainly recognise Jackie Weaver. Or Jackie.

Jackie Weaver

I mean, if if you if you watch the video in detail, one of the things that sort of uh sticks out for me was the scene is set by the chairman when I say something like, um, okay, seven thirty is time to start. And he says, it's seven twenty-eight. Now I know it's seven thirty because I'm sitting looking at my computer screen.

SPEAKER_12

Yeah.

Jackie Weaver

And it's seven thirty. Now I can either have that argument that I am right, or I can say, Oh wait two minutes and chat.

SPEAKER_12

I suppose, yeah, just take it's a little you don't always need to be proved right, I suppose. No.

Marc Smith

You can sometimes that could be worse. You know, as you're saying, that's probably worse. It's just as you know, a bit pedantic. Just, oh yeah, it's fine, just you know, do what you do.

Jackie Weaver

But but also do it with good grace.

Marc Smith

Yeah, yeah.

Jackie Weaver

You know, you you don't make it not not that way of saying, Well, I know I'm right. But okay, we'll do it your way. Um by the way, it was half past seven when I told you it was. Um yeah, but you know, it was okay, let you win that one next.

Marc Smith

That cam she has, choosing not to win every little battle, it is a real skill. Now, from one thing committees worry about to the big one that genuinely caught me out. This is

Why Hirers Need Their Own Insurance

Marc Smith

the Village Hall's Insurance Made Clear Part One, which is season six, episode two, with Helen Hall from Allied Westminster. Stay with me here because it's the kind of mistake that can cost a hall everything.

Helen Hall

The whole committee should have insurance for their liabilities, and hirers should normally have insurance for their own activities and their own negligence. So those two things should be working alongside each other. One does not automatically replace the other.

Marc Smith

So the hall and the hirer each need their own cover. Now that surprised me, but that's all about the building and the public. Part

Trustee Liability And Personal Exposure

Marc Smith

two, which is season six, episode five, again with Helen, goes a layer deeper because it's not just the bricks and mortar that carry the real personal risk. It's you.

Helen Hall

So in practice, it means that when you're a trustee or committee member, you're not just helping out informally. You're involved in decisions that can have legal and financial consequences if something goes wrong. Now, that doesn't mean trustees should panic or feel they're one step away from being personally sued all the time. Most trustees are doing an excellent job in good faith. But it does mean the role carries responsibilities for how the hall is run, how money is managed, how risks are handled, and how decisions are made. What surprises people is that the hall being insured does not automatically mean every personal exposure of every committee member is covered under every circumstance. Risks sit in a different category, which is why trustee or management liability comes up as a separate discussion. And I think that's especially important for village halls because these are usually volunteers giving the time selflessly for their community and without fully realizing the legal responsibilities that come with that role.

Marc Smith

That personal responsibility is exactly why getting the stuff right matters so much. But

Defibrillators And The Chain Of Survival

Marc Smith

let's lift things because the next one might be the most important conversation we've ever had on here. It's one where you genuinely can't get it wrong. This is from an earlier episode. Does your community have this life-saving equipment? Season two, episode five, where Johnny spoke to Martin Fagan from the Community Heartbeat Trust. You'll remember the footballer who collapsed during the Euros and survived. This is about the piece of kit that saved him.

SPEAKER_03

And the other important thing to remember, which is is really critical in this whole thing, is you can never make the situation worse. You can only ever make the situation better. Now, you mentioned uh Christian Erickson a little earlier on. Um, and if you go through exactly what happened to him, okay, so he was running along and he fell flat on his face. What did his teammates do? The very first thing they did was to recognize that he had a problem.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And they recognized that he was probably in cardiagress. So number one important thing is to make sure people recognize that somebody needs help. Number two is you call for help. So if you're out in the community, you call 999 and ask for the ambulance service. But if you're on your own, call for help. Get somebody to come and help you. That's number two. Number three, you would start those chest compressions. Now, if you think about what's happening fibrillation, the heart's quivering like a jelly, it's not pumping anything out. You need to get this blood and oxygen moving around the body again to keep that person alive. And not just to keep that person alive, but you also want to get oxygen coming to the heart muscles themselves. So you take over the beating of that heart by pressing the person's chest. Number four is you use the defibrillator to try and get the heart working properly again, and then you get them off to hospital. So if you think about what happened in the Christian Ericsson instant, that's exactly what happened. His colleagues recognized it, they called for help, his his colleagues, his other players started those chest compressions and suddenly brought a defibrillator onto the uh field of play to use on him. And that process, those five steps, the the recognition, the call for help, the chest compressions, the defibrillator, and then sending them off to hospital, those five steps are called the chain of survival. And it's the chain of survival that saves people's lives.

Marc Smith

The chain of survival, you. Doing something makes all the difference. So

Fire Risk Assessment Comes First

Marc Smith

staying with safety, but the kind that's all about prevention. In fire safety for village halls, which is season five, episode thirteen. I sat down with a serving fire officer, Daniel Noonan, from Kent Fire and Rescue. And if you take away a single phrase, it's this one. He must have said it 20 times.

SPEAKER_02

Throughout this podcast, the amount of times I must have said fire risk assessment, but I can't emphasize it enough. Um, ensure you've got a current fire risk assessment, you follow and address the significant findings identified by your fire risk assessor. And to ensure the premises is safe for yourself and the public in which you're utilising the building, make sure that fire risk assessment is in place. Um it is the fundamental building blocks of everything you need to do as a responsible person. Um and that is the key point, key bit of messaging I'd like to get across today.

Marc Smith

The fire risk assessment, the foundation everything else is built on.

Flooring Costs And Underinsurance Traps

Marc Smith

The next podcast is about something you literally stand on, caring for your village hall floor, which is season four, episode six. Because one hall was quoted £70,000 for a brand new one when it didn't need replacing at all.

SPEAKER_10

We we deal with village halls the length and breadth of the country, and we we kind of looked at that and thought, no, that's that cannot be right. Have they had a specialist in there? So we intervened and a specialist went in and um yeah, the c the the actual cost was was was about was about ten per cent of the of the full replacement cost. And if if I may for a second, this story comes with a crucial lesson about underinsurance because uh this particular village hall was underinsured by thirty per cent, which basically meant that you know under under if you're underinsured uh it's a pretty pretty pretty common feature in the insurance industry, a thing called the average clause. So basically meaning that if uh if you have a property insured for uh fifty thousand pounds when it should be insured for a hundred thousand pounds, potentially you could have uh an insurance claim halved. Uh the insurance company may reserve that right. So this village hold this village hold was underinsured, which basically meant as far as this floor replacement's concerned, there would have been about a twenty-one thousand pound shortfall. But fortunately, I'm not sure what the opposite of a sting in the tail is, but fortunately it wasn't a replacement, it was a refurbishment which was done for about six thousand pounds. So uh uh there was a very small shortfall, and they managed to make up that shortfall with their own funds.

Marc Smith

So before anyone tells you your floor is beyond saving, get a specialist in. It could save you a fortune.

Legionella Risks In Quiet Buildings

Marc Smith

So now to something that sounds daunting, but really isn't once you understand it. Legionnaire's disease, the silent threat in village halls, which is season five, episode six, with water safety specialist Dee Thornton. So to start with, us we need to learn what Legionnaires actually is and how does it spread?

SPEAKER_06

Okay. Uh Legionnella um pneumopholia is a bacteria, and it's a bacteria that's actually in water. Um it is quite um Legionella pneumopholia is a quite a serious lung uh disorder, okay, and you get it in the water system of buildings. When um Legionella as it's a form of pneumonia, okay, you only get it by breathing it in. Okay, you can't get it by drinking it.

Marc Smith

That's good to know. I that's what I thought. That's what I thought.

SPEAKER_06

So yeah, yeah. Now, um because our environment is getting warmer, uh and there's a lot of stagnation in water systems of empty buildings, empty rooms, um, cold water tanks that are not moving. That is where the concern is. Now Legionella will grow, okay. It used to be every five days, it's now every three days in very warm environments. But it does need food, and those foods are stagnation, limescale, algae, warmth, temperatures between twenty and forty-five degrees, to allow it to multiply. And that's why it's quite important to make sure your building is safe.

Marc Smith

The good news, as Dee says elsewhere, is that staying on top of it is genuinely simple if you do it in the right order.

Spot Heating Old Drafty Halls

Marc Smith

Now, something a bit more cheerful. How spot heating can transform your village hall, which is season 5, episode 8, with Joel Bristol from BN Thermic. If your hall's drafty and costs a fortune to warm up, the trick might be to stop heating the room altogether and heat the people instead.

SPEAKER_11

So spot heating is heating people and objects directly rather than trying to increase the overall air temperature. The simplest way to put it, it's a little bit like sunlight. You're outside in the shade, you feel cold, you walk into the sunlight, you feel warm. The air temperature hasn't changed, but you're now getting the you're being spot heated by the sun. That's the that's the simplest way to put it, I think.

Marc Smith

Right, right. Why why do you think they work well within village halls, in particular old village halls?

SPEAKER_11

So the big problem you get with village halls is they they tend to be poorly insulated, um, relatively drafty, and often in sporadic use. So the problem you have with going down the other option, which is space heating, so building up a body of warm air, yeah, if you're using it sporadically and only for a few hours at a time, by the time you've turned the space heating system on and got it up to temperature, you're ready to leave. So it's a really ineffective system. You've effectively just wasted some energy that you didn't get the benefit from.

SPEAKER_12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11

So when you go down the spot heating route, it's absolutely instantaneous. So you turn it on only when that space is occupied, and you feel the benefit absolutely instantly. So that's the that's the true benefit of it.

Marc Smith

Alright. Now this may sound like a crazy question. Uh so when you have the spot heating on, would it this is just a thought. Would it matter if the door was open to the outside?

SPEAKER_11

Because you're not getting the air. That's the interesting part. Because you're not heating the air at all, um, in fact, the idea is is to bypass the moisture in the air, which is how you feel warmth.

Marc Smith

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11

And you're just heating anything with masks, so people, objects.

Marc Smith

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11

So because of that, you don't need to worry about doors, roller shutter doors, windows, things like that. You're still heating the person.

Marc Smith

So heating the people and not the room. Such a simple idea. Now

Safeguarding And Sharing Concerns

Marc Smith

to one that matters to every hall with children coming through its doors. How to safeguard children in village halls, which is season one, episode eleven. Johnny put a trustee's questions about DBS checks to the NSPCC. In the heart of it is something they say all the time.

SPEAKER_05

You know, one mantra we have in the child protection world, especially when we do training, they say safeguarding is everyone's responsibility. You know, you don't have to wear the hat as a manager or a designated safeguarding labor. It's everyone's responsibility to keep our children safe. You know, it takes a whole village to raise a child, per se. So we know during the lockdown, for instance, um, you know, children were exposed to high levels of abuse at home. And now that they are back to school, these um harms can be exposed, you know, in schools or in village halls or other types of activities. So the adults around them, if they notice a change in the child's behavior, to say, hmm, that's something different, there's something not quite right, you know, maybe have a conversation with the child just to check it out. I'm not saying they have to become the experts on spot and abuse, but really as adults, if you are aware of something or you just feel something isn't right with that child, you go and just check it out or share your concern with others. Um, we also, you know, say to people who run activities and venues that they should have proper um training available so they will be able to know whether concern is a concern. And that's a big question people always ask. You know, how do I know if my concern is a real one? Or, you know, I don't want to get anyone in trouble. Well, you don't really have to worry about that so much in sharing a concern because if you do share a concern, the person who takes that information with you, if they are trained, should be able to know how to take that and share it appropriately. Yes, and they will have the training to know when when to do that in a relatively safe and expedient way. So don't ignore concern, share it with someone. And if you do have a role um in children's work, by all means, please, you know, um do get some training. There's lots of training available. The NSVCC certainly provides training. We even have e-learning courses now which you can access 24 hours a day at your own, you know, um flexibility.

Marc Smith

If something doesn't sit right, say something. You don't need all the facts. Now, this next one's a bit personal.

Building Better Rural Broadband

Marc Smith

Johnny actually turned the tables and interviewed me for getting a faster connection in remote places. Of course, you kind of get enough of my voice. So season three, episode two. So we and I live on Sky, we started on barely half a megabit, practically unusable, and ended up building our own community broadband, dish by dish, and now actually, a few years later, fibre to the houses, to the premises. Oh yeah. It's always what you've got to do. Normally in these places, like everything's everything's cash, you've got to have cash to pay for drinks and stuff.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

Marc Smith

And we went down to the wedding and they were all of a sudden they had a a sum-up machine, you know, like a card machine, so you could go to the bar and pay for things with a card, which I I don't think I paid for a drink all night because every when I went to the bar, because it's easier to pay for someone else's drink because you've got your card out, obviously, you want a drink mark? Obviously, I'm going to say yes, and they put it on the card. And it's that thing there, like you don't have to go drive an hour round trip to Broford to go and collect cash before a night out in Elgill. You can now just put your card on the device and that's it done. And that's and that's because of the internet, and that's because it's fast enough. 0.47 megabyte wouldn't be fast enough to do that. But the the Hebnet system or anything over one meg means that people can use your cards to do the um yeah, to pay pay for drinks. And that's that to me was like it was quite a proud moment, actually. It's quite a nice thing that that's what uh allow people to drink more and buy me drink when I went to the bar. Oh, stick on the card. No, it's it was amazing. It really was amazing.

SPEAKER_04

I love it, I love it. So you're you're sitting there thinking I am responsible for all this drinking basic art. Yeah, tremendous.

Marc Smith

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Totally negated any of the health benefits and so on that you mentioned earlier of there not being a pub there. Yeah.

Marc Smith

So if your hull's stuck with a hopeless connection, don't wait for someone else to fix

Security By Thinking Like A Burglar

Marc Smith

it. Now, keeping your hall safe and keeping your village hall secure, which is season two, episode thirteen. Johnny spoke to risk expert Dave Reynolds from Risk Stop, and his trick is to stop thinking like a committee and start thinking like a burglar.

SPEAKER_14

Um, you know, I I I remember doing a uh course when I first started, it was a um a police course. Yeah. And they talked about, you know, deflection, deterrent, and disappointment. And I suppose the sort of the two either side, deflection and disappointment, you know, try to get the village hall looking more secure than the one in the next village. Because if somebody drives past on their C2, they're gonna look for the easier target.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_14

The other one is obviously disappointment. If there's nothing in there to take, then people are less likely to break in to take it.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_14

So you know sorry, come on.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yes, I was gonna say so that that that obviously means leaving making sure things are out of sight and so on if they if they are attractive, yeah.

Marc Smith

Make your hall the less tempting target. Most of it is obviously common sense. Now, the topic I get asked about more than any other money.

Winning Grants With Real Stories

Marc Smith

So, how to secure grant funding for your village hall, which is season six, episode one, with Chris Rush from TJB Community. The grant world can feel like a total maze, but Chris does this for a living. Funders don't just want a good idea, they want to see the community behind it.

Chris Rush

It has to be personal, um, it has to tell stories. Yeah. Um, and really, the there's going to be somebody else assessing this application, uh, and they're going to be reading 20-30 applications uh at a time, and and it has to your application has to stand out, has to jump off the page. And the only way that can really happen is by to telling those personal stories of either the types of people who use the hall, um, how the the history of the hall, the the challenges within the area that there might be, all these different things is what will get the applications jump off the page. And and and chat GPT is just not gonna know those know those things. You can definitely use it from an editing point of view, of once you've got those stories down on a paper on paper and sort of built this this really strong case of maybe some final editing. Um, but I'd be very, very reluctant to kind of use it fairly heavy-handed to put an application together because I do feel like having worked with some halls who've maybe had a go at this previously and kind of sent us their applications, that that might be something that's that's becoming more and more common, which probably means then from an assessor's point of view, they're just seeing the same types of bids over and over again.

Marc Smith

Yeah. Tell your story, make it personal, and don't let AI write it for you. And to finish,

Getting Bookings And Admin Online

Marc Smith

the thing that ties so much of this together, getting your haul online. So, Hallmaster and the digital world, which is season four, episode seven, with Bernard Hammock. Bookings, invoicing, even the heating and the door locks talking to each other. And as Bernard puts it, you don't need to be a mechanic to drive a car.

SPEAKER_07

It's it's likening it to you you don't need to be a mechanic to drive a car. Do you know what I mean? It's yeah, it's you you you don't necessarily have to understand every nut and bolt within the actual booking system. Your job as an administrator is to take and manage the bookings and making sure that they are invoiced and that you've got the money for them. That that's it.

Marc Smith

None of it is scary as it sounds.

Key Takeaways And Stay In Touch

Marc Smith

And that's it. If even one of these saves you a headache or a few quid, then this has done its job. Have a dig through whenever you need to, share it with the rest of your committee, and if there's a topic you'd like us to cover next, please do get in touch. I'm always listening. Once again, thank you very much for everything that you do for your haul. It really does matter. So until next time, cheers for now.

Sponsors And Awards Closing Notes

Marc Smith

Many thanks to our headline sponsor and specialist Village Hall insurance provider, Allied Westminster, the home of VillageGuard, for making this podcast possible, and to online booking system provider Hallmaster, who also sponsor our podcasts and can be found at hallmaster.co.uk. You've been listening to the Village Halls Podcast, a unique listening community for Britain's village, community, and church halls, and anyone interested in the vital services they provide. Don't forget, entries for the Village Halls Inspiration Awards 2026 are open from now until the 31st of October. So visit our website to find out more and get involved. We will be back again soon with another episode. For more information, visit the VillageHalls Podcast.com where you'll also find the links to our social media pages. Thanks again for listening in, and until next time, goodbye for now.