SPEAKER_01

Welcome to Coffee and Cleavage. Welcome, guys. I'm Linny. And I'm Clara. Hello, Gary.

SPEAKER_03

Hey, ladies. How are you doing?

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Doing pretty good.

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Just feeling good.

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We're feeling great.

SPEAKER_03

Are you going to tell everyone what you guys did?

SPEAKER_00

We were today, we're tequila and cleavage.

SPEAKER_01

Tequila and cleavage.

SPEAKER_00

No, we only did one shot, guys.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, just one shot because you know, it's a long day.

SPEAKER_00

It's five o'clock.

SPEAKER_01

Fuck yeah. It's five o'clock. It's five o'clock. We probably did it right on the dot, too.

SPEAKER_00

Probably, yeah. See, good for us.

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Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Speaking of tequila and toxicity, we have a really nice topic, and I'm very glad that we have uh a men, a male's opinion in on this. Gary, let me ask you before we even talk about it, why do men respect toxic men instead of good men? Or toxic men more than good men?

SPEAKER_03

Um, I think maybe because it looks like they get more women and they're more. I mean, I the first person I think of is like Andrew Tate.

SPEAKER_00

For sure. And that's already in my notes the the Andrew Tate effect on.

SPEAKER_03

Or essentially Dan Bulzarian. Like that, it's all like the guys that have money that get girls, and they're kind of like like the misogynistic kind of asshole guys, but they get all these girls. And that's what and when you're nice, it just comes off like you don't get any girls. But if you're this rich asshole, like you get all the girls, and that's kind of what I think.

SPEAKER_00

But isn't the end goal in for most of society to get married? These men are never married.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, some guys are just like, whatever. I mean, you know, like Andrew Tate, you think he, I mean, all he cares about is hooking up with girls, like you know, and their personality is how they are. They're like macho as fuck, you know.

SPEAKER_00

So wouldn't a man be like, that's not who I want to resemble or look like or uh just act like, like let me find a good man to worship.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, you would think, but it just looks like they have I mean, kind of the most fun too. Yeah, like I like Dan Mozarian, you know, it's like he gets all these women, he's rich, like all these women just love him, or looks like that at least. So it's like guys are gonna be like, fuck, I want his life. Like, and I think that's the whole thing where you're a nice guy, it's like you almost don't get as many women, you know.

SPEAKER_01

It's so interesting though, because I remember back in the ignite days, you know, I remember going to one of the ignite trips, and it was not what people would think. What they see on camera is what everyone, you know, what they want them to see, but it's not like that at all. Because it's the whole person. And doesn't really want to be bothered. And it's yeah, it was really interesting.

SPEAKER_00

That's that where you was he surrounded by women all the time, like at these ignite trips.

SPEAKER_01

Like a lot of the women are really, really young. I felt old as fuck there, to be honest with you. Yeah, that's definitely the oldest one. And it was just all the women were together and they're super loud and like, oh my god, like really kind of annoying. And he's off just kind of to himself, and then appears in the camera, you know, at the table at the head of the table with everyone having meals together. But then after that, he was kind of just off playing chess with his friend.

SPEAKER_03

But a guy like him on that trip, do you think he just hasn't have to do anything? He's like, you, all right. Yeah, and it's like it's just easy where other guys are like, you know, you're with a bunch of these girls, you have to talk to them. Him, it's like, all right, you. And they're gonna be like, oh my god, like, okay. It's like that's what every guy wants, essentially. So I mean, yeah, you have that power and stuff. So it's like, I think that's what comes with it. They love that.

SPEAKER_00

But would all that stop if women stopped playing into that?

SPEAKER_03

I mean, yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_00

Because if I like, I mean, I've never done an ignite trip, I've never been invited to do an ignite trip. But even if I was number one, I wouldn't go because I wouldn't want to be seen as like one of Dan's bitches.

SPEAKER_01

That's how I felt after I went. I was like, even though this was like probably seven years ago when I went.

SPEAKER_00

But yeah, like you're one of his girls, you know?

SPEAKER_01

Like even then, I felt so out of place, like, okay, I'm never done this.

SPEAKER_03

Well, because I mean, that's the persona he wants to give off, like, oh, I hook up with all these girls, where that might just be what they think. And then you go and you're like, how many guys were like, oh my god, I can't believe you went on that trip. Did you hook up with him? And you're like, no. Yeah, people did ask. It wasn't like that at all.

SPEAKER_00

Not at all. But that's why I wouldn't want to associate because everybody's just gonna assume you know, that you're there and everybody's having this massive, you know, big orgy.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Well, it's like you can't believe everything you see online. Everything is not what it seems, I feel like.

SPEAKER_00

No.

SPEAKER_03

Even with these guys that think like, oh my god, like they have all these girls, it might just be a whole like kind of look that they're going for.

SPEAKER_00

But it's this alpha male the content and the you know, this red pill, blue pill, you know, junk, like, but the alpha male thing, and it's like some of these guys are the furthest thing from the word alpha, but they portray themselves like just because you get women doesn't mean you're alpha. Just because you have money doesn't mean you're alpha. Like alpha is like a it's a whole thing. It doesn't mean women are money. You know, like these guys, like, you know, like these like male coaches that, you know, coach men to how to be men, they're never in relationships that are happy. They're never truly successful, like financially. Because I I truly believe, and this might backfire on me, if you're good at something, you would never take time out of your million-dollar month to teach me how to make a million dollars. You're just gonna keep making a million dollars. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. Like I do.

SPEAKER_00

So these guys are like these alpha coaches. Like, I just I don't understand like why these men keep feeding these guys and they give them thousands of dollars to teach them how to be men. Like, if you're a man and you're te giving somebody ten thousand dollars to teach you how to be a man, you're you've lost hope. Yeah, you don't you the first step in being a man is not giving a man ten thousand dollars to teach you how to be a man. Like, what is this?

SPEAKER_01

It reminds me of when we don't have to say any names because we both know who we're gonna who we're mentioning here. It kind of reminds me of someone else we know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. On a different scale, much lower scale. Thinks he's the same scale, but much, much different scale. Yeah, you you shouldn't be taking money from people to teach him how to be a man. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03

But all the guys that are teachers, I feel like they put on this persona of like, look at my life. Like I go out and I'm surrounded by 20 girls, models, like, and these guys are like, Oh my god, like how do I do that? And it's like, well, come here and pay me and I'll tell you. And they're like, Okay, I want your life. It's it's like they come off as like they're so rich and they have all these girls.

SPEAKER_00

But the girls also, the girls that these men are attracting, these girls are showing up for a free bottle of tequila at your table. These are the types of women you want to attract into your life. Find me a man who is a teacher, one of these, you know, guys who is attracting women like me or Linny. Then I'm gonna listen to you. But if you're attracting the 22-year-old with you know, her her ass hanging out at Live till 3 a.m., making out with every girl she could see just because she wants the attention that, like, is that really the type of woman you're trying to attract?

SPEAKER_03

When I think you two know to see through the bullshit. Yeah. It's like, hey, you want to come to this club? We can, I can get you. And it's like, I don't give a fuck about that. Yeah. Like, okay, cool. Where other girls, like, oh my God, like, let's go, like, you're gonna show me this crazy night where you guys would be like, I don't give a shit about that. I could do that if I wanted to.

SPEAKER_00

But and like it's like, I hate to break it to you, but the women that are excited about your bottle service, you don't need to teach a man how to bring them to the club. They're gonna come naturally. You can meet those girls out, let's say you're at a dinner in Vegas and you could see a group of three girls sitting there and you say, Hey, we have a table at Live. Do you want to come? If that's the type of woman, she's gonna go no matter what, whether whether you've done that or not. So, like you're you're not attracting quality people when you're doing that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I think that's what men need to understand when they're hiring these coaches, these gurus. Like, you're not you're not attracting the things that are attractive. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, definitely. That's true.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It's all about the quality of what you're attracting.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and you're spending thousands of, and some of these guys, they don't have thousands of dollars to give for these coaches, and they're spending their last couple dollars to try to learn something. That's like it that has to be so internal.

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You know?

SPEAKER_00

Like if you don't have that, like it's it's like the X factor. You either have it or you don't. Like you can't teach it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It's like sex appeal. Like you can't teach a woman how to be sexy. Like, you can't. You can you can make her look beautiful, hair and makeup, outfit, whatever. But then she'll just stand there like she's either got it or she does.

SPEAKER_01

Right. I think it's the same thing for that. Because if it's forced, it's like, eh, okay, never mind. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

You think this day we're getting like less and less the more like macho kind of guys are kind of like slowly fading? Like, and it's almost, it's almost like 2026 is bringing in, like, you know, where guys aren't as assertive. Like, you know, it's like, hey, like the girl can ask the guy out, and it's not how it was before.

SPEAKER_00

No.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, have you guys seen that more? I mean, with guys, the guys are kind of being less you know, because take charge.

SPEAKER_00

Men want to be princesses these days. Like, have you seen those like funny things where it's like the guy looks, it's in like the beauty and the beast, like Bell's body, and he's like, So when are we going on a date? And the other guy's dressed as like the little mermaid, and he's like, You know, where you know, where are we going this summer on a trip? And it's like men have lost being men. Like, yeah, you know, take charge, take initiative. But like you, you can't be taught that.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like you can't, like, you either have that instinct in you to be a man, and I'm not even saying provide and da-da-da, because don't get me started on this bullshit. But like, it's not even about providing, but it's about being a man and taking that masculine energy and you know, sticking up for your girl, you know, being a provider and sense of like security and comfort and sticking up for her and having her back. And, you know, it's not this isn't even a financial discussion. This is truly being a man and doing man duties.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, do you think now it's like everyone's equal? So, like, you know, guys and girls, it's like the man doesn't need to take charge as much. And it like, maybe some women get more offended by it. I mean, like, you girls, I mean, you're powerful, you're like beautiful women. Do you like when a man is a man takes charge? Yeah, it's hot.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Like, like, let me be a woman and you be a man, it has nothing to do with finances. Exactly. Because even if we make the same amount of money, dollar for dollar, or if I make all the money or you make all the money, it does like there's still roles you have to take in as a man to make me feel secure and comfortable. Because for me, like being a bisexual woman, if you're not gonna be a man and provide for me the way I need to be mentally taken care of and physically taken care of, I'd rather just date a woman.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Because there's I rather look at a pair of boobs than be with some guy that can't even do the things a man's supposed to do. You know?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know, maybe that's just me.

SPEAKER_01

That's why a lot of women do turn lesbian.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. A lot of girls, they're like, I'm done. I'm done with men. How many times have you heard like I'm just I'm done with men?

SPEAKER_01

Oh God, I've heard that a lot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Because we've gone from like the macho guys that are like, I have this like I work and everything, to like the more sensitive guys that are just like, why don't you ever ask me how I'm feeling? Imagine that, like, imagine like 10, 15 years ago being like a guy being like, why don't you ever ask me? Like, I have feelings. It's like, oh my God. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Which men can have feelings and they can be sensitive.

SPEAKER_03

But I mean Well, guys are programmed to like, you know, you have all that, just kind of like it's you you bottle that up. You don't want to be like, I mean, you can let it out, but it's not like, you know, we need to talk about my feelings too. I mean, I could never imagine saying that. It's weird, but I mean, I think that's what we're kind of like turning into essentially.

SPEAKER_00

Or softer, the world's softer.

SPEAKER_01

I just think it's attractive when a man does so take charge and like they do things without you having to ask.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you know, and that's and like that's like a thing. Like my love language is not having to ask.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like you just, you know, yeah, you have the foresight to see. And again, like if you're one of these male coaches, like you can't teach those things. You can't. You can't teach those things. Like they they teach them everything that like is so pointless.

SPEAKER_03

And I do you guys, I mean, do you like when a man, I mean, it's I'm I think I know the answer, but like takes charge of things. Like, you know, hey, we're going here. Like, you know, I set this up. Like, not like, hey, where do you want to go? I don't know. Like, okay, and it's just like this discussion when a man is like, hey, we're going here, like, this is what we're doing. Yeah. What's the plan?

SPEAKER_00

But there's also men that take it a little bit too far, right? Like, yeah, you'll go to dinner with somebody and they're like, she'll have the steak. I would get up so quick, she'll have perhaps the salad, perhaps not. Perhaps not bite.

SPEAKER_03

It's that fine line of being like, hey, like, you want to make the plans, but yeah, like I was thinking that same thing. Like, she's gonna have this, and it's like, uh, no, not that far.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, but that's what a true alpha to me is is understanding that there's a balance between dominance and just being like overpowering. Like, just because you're alpha doesn't mean you're the dominant one 100% in the relationship. You you could also be the alpha and have a softer side. You could also be the alpha and you know get the girl flowers and do these beautiful things for her. Doesn't necessarily mean like you have to be an asshole. Like you see some of these Andrew Tate videos and it's like, Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_03

Like, well, essentially they all it seems like they all treat women like shit too. Like a lot of them, where it's just like women.

SPEAKER_00

They literally hate women. Like, I think they truly, I think some of these guys are closeted gays.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Because there's no way you're that into wanting to be alpha, but you hate women as much as you do. Yeah. And you think content creators like Linny and I are, you know.

SPEAKER_03

Do you think it's because it shows weakness being like treating a woman good? It's almost like I don't want to treat her good because it shows like I'm like, I don't want to be like simping to her. So it's like it shows weakness in a way, which is weird, but I mean, I could see that kind of happening.

SPEAKER_00

And like when guys are being nice online, one of these guys will be like, You're being a simp. It's like, why is a nice guy a simp?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

He's not a simp, he's being a nice guy. Like, take a take a lesson. You know, like guys will comment on our, you know, on our Instagram pages and right underneath a beautiful comment, a guy will be like, simp.

SPEAKER_01

I know. Why? Because he's talking about that.

SPEAKER_00

Because he's leaving a compliment instead of hate.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

He's being nice instead of talking about how our boobs look today. Like, that's a simp to you. Yeah. Somebody having respect for a woman is a simp. Yeah. That's a that's crazy. And these guys like Andrew Tate, they they they provoke it and they they enable it. They do.

SPEAKER_03

It's like they're teaching guys like you want to get women, like you know, this is how you treat them. You treat them like shit. And it's like we'll want you more. It's like, oh, nice.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah. But no, these alpha guys, I you you guys watching, you don't need to hire coaches. Just be good men. Stand up for women, always stand up for women. And I always say this all the time. If you have an opportunity to make a woman feel good, take the opportunity. Like if she looks good, tell her she looks good. If she smells good, tell her she smells good. If she said something nice, tell her she said something nice. Like, always take the opportunity to be a gentleman.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. Always showing respect. Yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

Being a gentleman. I mean, do you is it like big to show confidence to?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Like I mean, with these guys, like you need confidence, even if like you're not the most confident person, but you're, I mean, you're showing it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And confidence is more than just, you know, how you speak and how you act. Confidence is also, you know, how you respect others. And, you know, being the loudest guy in the room isn't the most alpha guy in the room. Because I think insecurity is louder than anything in the world. So you like, especially if like two guys are like, you know, arguing whatever, like the louder one isn't the more correct one. If you know how to like control yourself and regulate your emotions when you're when you're in an altercation or a heated argument, that is more powerful to me than who has a louder voice. And these guys don't teach that. They they want to scream and fuck this, fuck that. And it's like that loudness isn't confidence to me. No, it's at all.

SPEAKER_03

I agree.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

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Wow.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, guys. So anyway, so take my course.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I know, right?

SPEAKER_00

We could do a course, and that would be worth every penny.

SPEAKER_01

We should really think about that.

SPEAKER_00

We really should. Maybe we should.

SPEAKER_01

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