Halloween is here!
Theo and Benja sit down with Pacing Pete to go over some of our horror memories and favorite movies of the past.
Why is horror even a thing? We're not sure.
Let us know your favorites.
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Halloween is here!
Theo and Benja sit down with Pacing Pete to go over some of our horror memories and favorite movies of the past.
Why is horror even a thing? We're not sure.
Let us know your favorites.
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Show vs. Business is your weekly take on Pop Culture from two very different perspectives. Your hosts Theo and Mr. Benja provide all the relevant info to get your week started right.
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Good evening and welcome. It's a Monday, and I'm not usually on here, but it's Halloween time and thought we'd get together. Do a little action on the live front. Gonna have Theo on here, gonna have our special guest, Pete, do some Halloween talking because we, we never do a a really, we never really do a Halloween show, and we figured we should start it this year, get things started going on, do it maybe next year. But I want to know something, What's your favorite Halloween story? Why do you like horror? What's, what's in it for you? This is a show versus business bonus feature, by the way. So expect us to talk about the businesses thing and the show side of this thing and bring it all together in a fun little package. We're gonna have Pete on here. We're gonna have Theo on here, and we're just gonna get down to talking to some things, uh, some classic shows, some new shows, some news about, Yep, it's, it's Halloween. We're, we're gonna have fun with it. So we're gonna, uh, got Pete over here. We'll get him on and then Theo's gonna come in later and it's all gonna be good because that's how we do. Hopefully everybody's having a good Halloween. By the way, let me know if you've been watching anything scary this season or, uh, anything scary has been happening. What's up Pete? What's going on man? Good to see you. Good to see you too, my man. Uh, happy 2022 Halloween season, right? Oh, yeah, most definitely. I got my Halloween n shirt on and, um, just, uh, you know, watching horror movies daily. I mean, I watch 'em anyway. Yeah. Um, but, uh, you know, Halloween it's, you know, obviously more amped up, so, Yeah. Yeah. Um, you know, we were talking, Theo and I were talking and we were like, Well we gotta, we should do something for Halloween. And we're like, Well, we got the Black Adam Review to do, and our scheduling kind of messed up cause we've never sat down and done anything special for Halloween. So we were like, You know what? We don't know what we're talking about. Like my man, Pete does. Let's get him on the phone. Yeah, man. Thanks for having me. Um, it's, uh, it's, you know, I'm, I'm always down, you know me, I'm always down to talk about anything, you know, movie wise. But when it comes to horror movies, like, you know, I, I, uh, that's really where I get into things. I mean, to me with horror movies, there's such a deep conversation. I feel like, because, oh, the stigma on horror movies is, it's just like gory and brutal and violent. And yes, it is those things, but there's so much more of a deeper layer with horror movies, and I think that's part of the reason why I love horror, because it's not just, uh, surface level stuff. Well, actually that's a very good point. What I was gonna ask you about this, it does seem like all those things you said, just the, the jump scares and. You know, some of it goes cheesy, some of it goes really psychological, dark, uh, there's, there's a wide variety of horror, but what, what got you into it, and then what makes it seem so, so deep? Um, well, I watched when I was a kid. Okay. You know, growing up in the eighties, parents are crazy. They let you watch whatever, you know, Yep. If you remember the old a like, uh, HBO feature presentation video. Yeah. That was like a big deal, you know, to watch it back in the day when you, when you saw that flash late at night, you were getting something good. And, uh, and I always remember horror movies. Like, I remember seeing like, hell razor, you know, when I was like, way too little to be watching Hell Razer Yeah. But really intense. But it like, yeah. I mean, but it was really like Halloween for me, you know? Um, that for me really like got me into it and I, I think for me, the Halloween. Halloween, the movie. Yeah, sorry. Okay. So the, so the 1978, uh, Carpenter, uh, really that started, um, that whole franchise. Uh, that's for me, that's what, you know, started for me. And I think, you know, I, I think back to when I was a kid and I was terrified of Michael Myers terrified. And I think it was, you know, because the mask, like that emotionless face and the fact that he was just this regular person who was going after these girls. Like, he was just no, like, he just like picked Glory St. Strode and said, You like, I'm gonna come after you. And there was no thought process behind it. There was no nothing. And so to me, that was just like, terrifying. That's scary. And so as a kid, you know, it really like that that's, that leaves a, you know, impression on you. And you know, from there it was like, you know, Uh, Friday the 13th, down on my own street, you know, uh, child's play. I was a big fan of the April Dead movies. Actually, more of an army of Darkness fan, honestly. Um, uh, you know, there's so many, like all the night of the Living Dead movies are, are just a blast. You know, I think, um, Don of The Dead, the original one, like to me, like that's still like one of my favorite zombie movies ever. Like, I, I still remember watching that for the first time. Because I think prior to that, like I had seen like, you know, Night Living Dead, which we all know is like, you know, black and white and, and it's scary, right? But you know, when you see Donda dead, everything's in color. Like you, like, I remember like seeing that for the first time as a kid, like just the, the, the blood and the guts and like, everything in there. Like, you know, like you could really see it all. And then they were like, they weren't like in a field or, or a house. Like in the first movie it was like in a mall. And, and to me that just like, you know, I mean, you know, we frequent into the malls in the eighties, we were kids. Like that was the big thing. And so to, to combine all those things, like it was, it was definitely like, You know, it freaked me out for sure.? Yeah. And we got another dude freaking us out right here. What's that baby? What's up guys? Sorry, what's up? Trying to run around. What's up Pete? Sorry about the Dodgers. Sorry about the Dodgers. Oh man. Yeah, we're not gonna talk about that.. What about them? Cowboys? Well, you talk about that. We can talk about that one., this is another horror show going on here. Yeah.. What's up guys? How you guys doing, dude? Good man. I was just getting, uh, Pete's history on horror movies and he was telling me how he got into them as a kid and what, you know, what led to that? You know, saw Halloween, Michael Meyers and Nightmare and Elm Street. That one really got me as a kid. Uh, Nightmare. And Elm Street and Poltergeist I think were the ones that got me as a kid. How about you Theo, as a kid? Like what horror movies stuck out and you're like, Oh, this is a thing and Yeah, I mean, um, Definitely those two. You know, I think both of guys were like the first kinda like PG horror film that cause it, I think it was produced by Steven Spielberg. Yeah. I think, Or did he direct it? I can't recall. No, he produced it. Interesting about that is, uh, um, oh gosh, Toby, uh, Hooper, I believe. Mm-hmm.. Mm-hmm., He Chainsaw, Massacre. He directed Poltergeist and Spielberg was a producer on it. So it was interesting, um, that, that whole, you know, mashup of Spielberg and Hooper, like that's an interesting because of how, of how they are in the extremes when it comes to horror. You know, obviously, um, you know, Jaws with Spielberg and, and, uh, and, uh, Texas chain. I'm asking with Hooper. So, No, no. That it, it is a good match up because, um, I always remember that, uh, that meet scene. Right. You know, , he's like digging in his face and it's just like, What was that? You know, . Oh, for real, for real. No, it's, it's, it's, that is a trippy scene. And, you know, watching the behind the, the, the scenes on that scene specifically, especially with the guy goes into the bathroom and he's like ripping his face off. Yeah. And like watching like the behind the scenes about that and watching them talk, the actors talk about that, it's really interesting and just an eye opening, uh, eye opening thing when you're, uh, you know, kind of learning more and more about how they made the movie and just special effects in general. No, I love it. I love it. So, yeah, I mean, those are the two, I mean, you know, the biggest one, I mean, I didn't see it when I was younger, but I always heard about it. It was Exorcist and it was just like one of those I did not, uh, wanna mess with. grew up in Areligious home and so that was just like, you, you watch that you gonna be just be part of the devil. So I never, um, yeah, yeah. So I didn't be a part of that. So that's, that's a, that's kid, were you, like, did they. Were you pushed away from horror? Were they like, Hey, it's okay for you to watch this? Or how was that in your household? Yeah, absolutely. I just, yeah, we didn't really mess with that kind of stuff, man. So it wasn't until we had to sneak around or I had to go to, you know, sleepovers, you know, back when the kids did that thing. Uh, you know, youll watch, you know, Chucky or stuff like that. Oh yeah. I'm, I'm watching something scary. Yeah. So, um, so I got my horror from like, uh, comic books, you know, ? Yeah, yeah. Video games, uh, , you know, books, Stephen Spielberg, I mean, uh, Stephen King, you know, things like that. Yeah, Yeah. Oh, Stephen King. Forgot about him. Uh, in our pre-discussion, we forgot to mention him. You know, I was a, when I was a kid, what they did was they would let me watch some things and if I couldn't go to sleep, if I, you know, slept with the light on or if I ca if I came into my parents' room, complained about nightmare. That was it. They're like, Aww. They're like, Hey, if you can't handle it, you're finished. You're, it's a wrap. You're cut off. You know? So I was like, All right. Well it's funny you bring that up, Ben, because like when I was a kid I actually had a lot of paranormal experiences and I think that for me intensified my love of horror because I was experiencing things firsthand. Wow. Okay. Um, you know, I lived, there was a house I lived in and um, I always tell this story just cuz it was so, I remember it so vividly. Um, I was at home and I must have been like, I don't know, eight, nine years old and, um, you know, old enough to know like something was weird. Right, right. And uh, I remember sitting in the front room and, and we had like, uh, the kitchen that looked out in the front area. So imagine I'm sitting like this in the kitchen area, Like the window is like right behind me. Right, Right. So I look up and my dad's like working on something and my dad. Dad, I must have said dad like five times. He's like, You did dressed like for work and he is working on something and he's not turning around. I'm like, What the hell? Like what this? I'm like, Dad. So finally I get up, I crossed around to the kitchen, which is literally just steps away and he is not there. Huh? Like, I saw my dad full on and he was gone. As soon as I turn that corner, shit., , I dunno what to, uh, So what do you mean it was your dad was somewhere else? Or was it I I, I've always believed that that was like a, you know, a full on like specter that, you know, would manifested in, into looking like my dad. You know, we, in the same house, like we had a, we had a. Guest bedroom, and my uncle would stay with us sometimes, and he said that there were multiple occasions he'd woke, he'd wake up and uh, there was somebody standing, like a large dark figure standing at the foot of his bed. Never did anything to him, but it was just standing there. Yeah. And, um, yeah, even he had a few experiences with that too. And, um, yeah, it was, it was pretty crazy. I, I saw quite a few of those things with my kid. Yeah. I didn't want to, man, I was one of those kids. I was like, I, I'll just, I'm just going be under the covers and I, I don't want, I got enough things to worry about trying to bring that in to my life right now, So I'm just like, it may be something there, but I'm good. I'll see you in the morning.. Yeah, man. But real quick, um, just, uh, thank you for sharing, Pete. That was interesting. Um, Yeah, I mean, you know, only thing I really kind of had that was kind of scary was I used to, I I, and maybe sometimes I still, Do you ever get night terrors. You, you know, those are, Yeah. Um, well, hold on. Define those. Define those. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So basically where you, uh, are awake and conscious, but you can't move, you can't speak, you can't do anything. Sleep paralysis. Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. They call 'em night terrors Paralysis. Um, you know, and that's, that's, you know, the case. It happens a lot cuz you know, you wake up too fast and you know, your body just still takes asleep. That's like the weirdest thing for a long time. When I first got that I was like, Oh crap. You know, I was just freaking out and because you just can't move and, and it's just like, you know, and that was just like the scariest thing to me is just like, you know, not being in mobile. Right. I think there was a story that just came out recently that is some people who are in comas, they are still conscious. Mm-hmm. And there just, there new stories that came out. Mm-hmm. so they're aware of things are going on even though they're in a coma. So to me that, you know, you're talking about real, real, real war fears. That is something that is definitely something that I do. Well you think if. If you think back to Kill Bill, you might as remember when Umma Thurman's character is in the hospital and she's out. But she remembers that security guard being all like creepier and shit. Oh man. Like with her, like that perfect example of that right there. Yeah. So, so yeah. So we're getting to real tears. Mr. Benji, You got one? Um, I, well, I, I do, I did have that going into a little bit of college, I did have a little bit of that going on. I was actually trying to control my dreams and of course I, I went to the library and was getting all these books on sleeping. Um, you know, I, I couldn't find any like street level barbiturates. I wasn't going that far. But I was looking for, like, I was looking for like, uh, different foods and substances I could try. You know, mess with my sleep experience and unfortunately it actually worked. So, you know, I started being really conscious during my dreams, but every so often when I had one of those weird dreams and I was actually a part of it, The sleep paralysis thing kind of kicked in and I'm kind of awake and conscious and partially acting on my dreams. Yeah. And it got really weird, really fast and it freaked me out, messed me up and, uh, yeah, never, never went back to it. Now I tried to keep a good, nice sleep.. Yeah. Messing with it up . Nah man, that's, that's parts of the, parts of the brain. I should never have gone down. But, maybe you write some stories on that man. I would love to understand that. Yeah. So I love it, man. So anyway, I guess, do we wanna go back to Imagine terrors now? Actually, one, one quick question. Did you guys ever play, um, did you guys ever play hide and go seek In the dark? Yeah. Okay. As a kid we did that. I mean, um, I would always go, a lot of times I would go home for the holidays and we played that one year. in Mississippi, so it's like the dark Dan, Mississippi Forest, cotton fields, dilapidated houses. Now that I look back on it, it's like total horror movie material, right? just about 10 or 15 kids, the parents all, you know, hang out at at the house, at one house, and they're like, Hey, we're just gonna be here hanging out. You kids go outside and play. And we ran like half a mile a mile away into these fields and everything to play hide and go seek in the. That was some dumb shit that we shouldn't have done., I mean like hiding in abandoned cars, no lights. I'm talking like no street lights or anything. Just the moonlight people getting lost and dumb stuff. Love it. And that go alive. Yeah. And now, now you're talking about you should write something on that. And I immediately thought back, I was like, That's a good screenplay. Hide and go seek in the dark trademark right now. Well, you know, I used to live in the city and so we would. I lived in an apartment growing up, and so we was a hide underneath the apartment complex, right? And so we would, there's some crevices and stuff inside the apartment, and you would go down in there and I thought that was the coolest place. I said, This is gonna be my little clubhouse, right? So I brought my stuff down there. I mean, I'm talking about like, I mean, really deepen some crevices in underground and, uh, never thought anything about it, right? You know, the time just a kid, you're not thinking, and I mean, you know, earthquake or something like that. I'm go, I'm done for it, right? Or, you know, , it's just like, I mean, literally. No one could find me. I was literally that far inside these curs underneath the apartment complex. So, uh, but, you know, we loved it. It was like a, a, a maze, you know, to have fun in. So, um, stuff like that, you know, it's harmless now, but, you know, that's probably why I don't mess with horror films too much. Now I got kids so , I'm like, you know, cause your mind is already predispose thinking like, Oh, they've been gone for like, they're quiet for like two minutes. What happened? You know? And you freak out. So you just like, you know, um, you know, the horror films, they, they bring all that back, you know, unfortunately. Definitely. Hey, so Pete, we had a question. Um, we were talking earlier and, you know, Halloween came up, the, the movie Halloween, there was the reboot trilogy that happened. So it was just Halloween, Halloween kills, and then this new one, Halloween ends. Apparently there's a lot of controversy out there. Controversy, you know, and I, I've watched the trailer, but I did know there was. Controversy behind it until I didn't know either, until I talked to you, man. So what's going on with this movie? You know, I, I think a lot of people are upset with the way it, uh, it ended, um, in terms of, um, you know, what they were expecting with how to treat this last Michael Myers versus Lori Stro Showdown, because this really is it, like, we're never gonna see Jamie Lee Curtis in Halloween again, like, this is done deal. And so I think people weren't happy with the story. I, I think part of the problem is, is a lot of people, and even I'm guilty of this myself, is looking at it, you know, uh, not objectively, you know, if you look at it as just a movie, it tells a concrete story. It has a clear arc, It knows where it's going, and it ends, It ends with that arc that really, it started in the first movie and you really going back to 78 with, with, um, you know, Carpent. First, uh, first, uh, uh, Halloween movie. Um, uh, real quick, before I forget, did Carpenter produce these, this, these new two? See, I don't know if I remember if he produced it, but he, he was part of it. Like they were not gonna make this movie like even 2018, um, without his blessing. And he read the script and he seemed happy with, So yeah, he gave the blessing and that gave them the, you know, the okay to go ahead and start this new legacy, sequel trig, whatever you wanna call it. Um, but, um, I, I think, you know, there is a bit of there to get back to Halloween ends. There is, you know, not as much as Michael Myers is probably you would hope, um, Aw. You know, but it's, it's, I don't know, it's Did they pull a Last Jedi? What's that? Did they pull a Last Jedi with the audience? Ooh,. I kind of wanna say yes. Like, and, and I, and I'm actually like, I haven't, honestly, I haven't watched last year in a lot in. But I actually thought it was fine. Like, I didn't think it was terrible, but I thought it was fine. Yeah, same. But I knew like it just tore the Star Wars fan base apart. Yeah. And similarly, you're seeing that with the Halloween franchise, like mm-hmm. people are tearing it down, they're calling it trash, they're telling it, it's terrible. Like, and I, that's where I, I talk about, you know, people looking at things subjectively versus objectively. Yeah. And like I said, the film, the film brain that I have, like, I'm like, Oh, okay, the movie isn't bad. It's fine. Yeah. It's just not the expectations that we were hoping for in terms of Michael Meyer's last movie in this trilogy and where they wanted it to go. Yeah. So, so from my understanding, high level, no spoiler, uh, it was basically more about the city and the people around the two mains, uh, you know, Michael Myers and Laurie. So I think people were like, Hey, wait a minute. You're supposed to finish up talking about them, and now you're trying to, You know, spin sequels or you're trying to go the, Well, it's the thing about like these iterations. Mm-hmm., the director, David Gordon Green, has been very vocal about these being very thematic. Right. So, 2018 there was a lot of Me too, um, you know, uh, Time's Up. Right. That was driven a lot in that. And, and Halloween kills. He was very vocal that he wanted to sh he wanted to mirror the, um, uh, what is it called? The, uh, like the Lynch mob, the, uh, you know, people gathering a large crowds just kind of not just hearing maybe one piece of information and then just going off that information mm-hmm. and becoming this kind of, this, this angry mob. Right. Like he wanted to really vocalize that and really project that in film. And he did that in Halloween Kills. And then this one, I think for me, I haven't really read, I mean, I've read some of what he said. He, he. Calls it. He was trying to tell a love story, which I, I've seen it a few times over, and I'm like, Okay, I get that. I'm not sure that was the right way to go, . I understand it. But, um, this one I think was more driven by trauma and how Lori St. Strode has had to overcome the trauma of Michael Meyers. How Haddenfield has to, has had to overcome the trauma of Michael Meyers itself. You know, there's a, there's a character in there who's blamed for a death, and he is, he's, he's looked at as like kind of a Michael Myers ish, not, he's not Michael Myers, but they look at him because Michael's disappeared for a while. So they need, need, need, like a new quote unquote rookie man. And so I think that, in my opinion, what this movie is driven by is trauma and how people handle it and how society handles it and moves forward, and whether they do it or not in their own way. Hmm. Okay. Look at Horror man trying to have social commentary. I love it.. So Theo, thank you for saying that. Cause I was about to go there. What? So, so for a lot of the fans of horror, they say yes, they're, they're deeper parallels. There are different things that they're doing in the movies. Uh, I'm not sure I always caught these other, these other things in this deeper sensation from these movies. Mm-hmm., what, what, what do you have to say to, like, if you were trying to get somebody into the horror genre, like, Hey listen, it's more than just, you know, blood and guts and jump scares. It's this, what, what do you tell them? Well, it's funny cuz I actually had a conversation with a guy on Instagram cuz I posted something about black. Because I thought black phone was a phenomenal movie. Okay. Horror movie. And, uh, it, it's, it's interesting because, you know, the guy I talked to, like he's a father like I am, and, and he, you know, I think he got freaked out by the premise of the kid just getting, you know, snatched up in general. And I said, Well, yeah, it's driven a lot by the seventies, which, you know, kids were getting kidnapped. And it wasn't like, unfortunately it wasn't seen as like a big thing. It was like, Oh, maybe the kid ran.. And then later on it was discovered that yeah, there's actually monsters among us that are being awful and taking kids or lowering 'em in their van, which is exactly what black phone is. And so what I was trying to explain to him is those, um, you can see those, you and, you know, those, the commentary on these level on different levels, right? You can at that time, I think, um, you know, I, I maybe I go a little too deep with it, so I was telling them like, you could look at it as, you know, you know, a repression, like, you know how governments do certain things with people. You can look at it in that way. You can look at it as, you know, just at face value. But, um, oh man, I had a point and I'm just completely losing it. But I think to me, these things stir up social commentary in such a way that we don't, we don't talk about it. And I think horror movies give us that outlet. Horror in general is seen as like this o is like just brutal, like I said, early, brutal and violent. But like I said, there's many layers that go into it that discuss meanings that we probably don't talk about that are taboo. That, you know, other countries like Europe are like, no problem talking. I mean, look at, look at Italian horror movies. Like they're full on brutal, but they're also trying to tell you a story about the state of their society. And I think in a lot of ways that's what American Horror filmmakers are trying to do in their own ways. Whether it's it's by accident or they're, they are doing it, um, you know, on purpose. So, so who does it well? Um, I thought, I think, um, Romero did a good job with, with, you know, not living dead, you know? Yeah, I was gonna say that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. He talked, yeah, he talked a lot about like, you know, Donna, the dead and, and commerce and, and you know, relating all that to the fact that I, I think he had mentioned how., you know, people were asking like, Why are the zombies going to the mall? And he had said something like, I don't wanna butcher too much, But he said something like, maybe it was like our subconscious, you know, even though it's, it's dead, people walking to a, to a mall, you know, we, we as a society, like we really gravitate to malls. Like we go to, like, especially back in the seventies and eighties, like that was a huge thing. So it was, it was the melding of, of, you know, our just kind of like, you know, What were conditioned to do with like going to shop at at wherever. Yeah. And that was the, that was, Ah, man, I'm totally butchering the way Romero explained it, but it was just like, I don't know, Theo, do you remember what he, do you remember the I, Yeah, I, yeah, I don't remember exactly, but it was more around com Consumerism, right? Consumerism, yeah. So he was kind of thinking about zombie, Cause then he kind of create the genre of zombies in the sense Oh yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know if he created, but he's known for like making that he's, I mean he's the reason, I mean, you think zombies, you think Georgia Romero. So, yeah, so Lida Living Dead was really kind of critique of like, you know, American consumerism, right? We just consume everything and then one day, you know, our consumer is. You know, just, that's what zombies are to just Yeah. You know, they don't even think they're just consumed. Right? Mm-hmm., and that's kind of a commentary on American society. Yep. But like, you know, to your point, Ben, you know, you know, as Pete was talking, I mean, you know, be honest with you, a lot of co uh, horror films have social commentary. I mean, it is almost like, um, it's not a good horror film. It doesn't have some subtext. Right. So I remember a movie like Hereditary, you remember that movie? Um, you know, that was, was from a 24, it was kind of a classic horror film, Right. A classy one. Right? Because it wasn't just about, you know, some Colton , you know, trying to kill folks and or some headless girl, you know, spoil alert. But it was basically about family trauma, Right. And how they were trying to press that and how they wanna get beyond that. Yes. Or I saw a great one. It was called the, uh, Baba. Do you, have you seen that one, Pete? I, I, I haven't seen that, but I've heard of it. Man, that was awesome. I mean, it was really about what, uh, a creature. Yeah, it was a creature. That, uh, was in the book and that was killing folks, but really represented a mother's, you know, kind of, um, uh, uh, a fear of being a bad mother or just a, you know, say if you have kids, you would know this. There's, there's a good part and there's the bad part. Sometimes you love kids so much of the moon and all that, but there's always that moment where I just can tear you apart, right? Yes. And that Babadook represented that side of the mother, and she was trying to repress that, but it came out in a physical manifestation until she realized, you know, the love had to overtake that. So, Or like, Mama Remember Mama? Mm-hmm.. That was a very similar kind of concept about family. Um, Miss, uh, what's that? Midsummer The Summer saw that. Yep. Very similar about, you know, We try to take over, you know, other countries and, but they, you know, that's, or put our culture on their culture and it's not really how it is. We don't really understand them. So, anyway, I, I'm, I can go a list of a lot of horror films that are kind of classy horror, that, trying to tell you something. Uh, even, um, remember hostel back in the day that was like, you know, big where, you know, the, the tours will go into these places and Oh, we're gonna have fun and go have fun and then come to find out, you know, they're the ones that were gonna get tortured by, by their residents. So, so anyway, I, I digress. But I think there's just a lot of, uh, you know, social commentary and horror. Cause the Pete's point is kind of like, um, that's where we can kind of visually like you can feel, um, the, you know, like, you know, like when they say message, you know, you gonna get this message right.? Well, the hopped off waiting for the Kenan, uh, Kenan Waynes gift. Yeah. Message So, So, yeah. Um. I, I was, uh, I was going through some of the, some of the news and yeah, that's when, that's what came up. The, um, the whole thing about, uh, Halloween ends and, uh, you, you had mentioned that, but there was also this terrifying thing that I had never heard about. Um, so the only reason it came up is because it like shot up 84% in the box office because there are reports of people passing out, like leaving the theater in a huff, you know, some guy threw up at one theater and, and then you shot back. Pete, in one of our messages, you said, Yeah, it looks like a bit much. Yeah. You know, I, I, that's, and I'll be honest, I've told a few people that's like, I haven't seen the terrified movies yet, and, you know, I, I will, I think I will just because I, I genuinely try to watch. All as many horror movies as I can just to get just for that one experience so I can see what I'm, you know, what the hype's about. And I just haven't gotten there with tearer yet. I've seen clips and it's pretty brutal, like super brutal. Um, I, I definitely plan to sit down one day, but it's gonna be, have to be a thing where I'm like in a certain state of mind and I just have to sit and watch it because, um, if the first one is brutal, I can only imagine in the second mo horror movie where they always up the stakes, they up the kills, they upp the blood. Mm-hmm., I can only imagine like, it's even more bananas than whatever the first one was. Yeah, I heard the first one is even crazy. So, and I saw the clip they put on toward the end, if you saw Mr. Ben, but you just. Okay, . I mean, it's just like, okay, that's one stab. Then they just, I mean, just the most insane things you do just to, I mean, you already killed a person, but let's do some other stuff too. You know? I mean, it's just like, let's just keep going. You know? It's just, Okay, whatever. You know where it reminds me of Pete, remember? Um, Oh man. See, I'm just a deep dive. But it was, remember when, um, uh, Quentin Tarantino and what's the guy that he always, uh, Rodriguez? Eli. Eli. Roth. Eli, Eli Roth. Remember they did, uh, death proof? They did these little trailers. They did these little trailers, right? And there was one trailer where it was like, set Claus, I forgot what it was. It was uh, Thanksgiving or, Yeah, Thanksgiving. He was telling everybody right? Thanksgiving. Yeah, He was Thanksgiving. I was cracking up . Ben, have you seen, have you seen those grind house trailers? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Those are the funniest damn things. I sometimes I will watch. Because they are just funny. Like I can't believe they got people just to film a two to three minute trailer. That they sandwiched in between those grindhouse movies. Like I still remember going and watching it the weekend. Like I watched Planet Tear, they show trailers and then I watch Death Proof, which I still love. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Death Proof was awesome. Yeah, those trailers though are just like classic. All I gotta say, all I gotta say is that trampoline scene, , I don't even need to go any further. for those of you who haven't seen it, go watch it. You know what I'm talking about? Ryan House, man. You know, they tried to bring that back a little bit. Actually, the guy who plays Richter, he was in, it was like a deaf, poof type of style, like, uh, killer racing thing. Mm-hmm., It was on like, uh, sci-fi for like a hot second, and they were trying to bring that kind of, you know, death, poop style grind house, you know, to tv. Um, that's, I don't know. We, we've been put this on. I like Mr. Bender, but, you know, I did wanna pivot a little bit of like TV horror, Right. Streaming horror. Okay. That is kind of taking the forefront now with, you know, uh, what's his name? Fla again, he's doing a lot with Netflix. I mean, every year he's got like a scary series that he pops up this year. He's got Midnight Club. Previous year's been haunted on Hill House and I forgot the other one. Oh, loved Hill House. Loved Hill House. Yeah. So, um, I've been impressed with it. I mean, I, I, I was like, Oh, you can't make TV scary, right? You was like, whatever. But man haunting in Hill House was like really good. And that was a good story too, and I was impressed with it. It was, it was, uh, a, uh, one of those series that came out to me that was just a fantastic mixture of mixture of horror and drama. Like it was, it made you feel something. And, and not too many horror movies, I think can do that, can pull that drama card out and then still terrify you in the next minute. So, yeah, I mean, you know, and so I thought that was like, you know, so that's a good one. Um, I'm trying to think of some other ones that are coming out. Um, well, you know, I think. Uh, you know, Dahmer that's more like based on real life, but that's kind of like real life horror. And that shot to like, you know, I think that's one the second most watched Netflix series of all time. Mm-hmm. and, uh, uh, you know, I wasn't gonna watch it cuz you know, I, I'm not watching this about this, Right. But they was like, so people watching it, I just had to go watch it and, uh, I was transfixed . I mean, I was like, I guess I'm gonna watch this whole thing.. Yeah. First episode. It was pretty nuts. So yeah, I think that's what they wanted to make. You just feel that horror. But then absolutely the first one is, is after the first one is not that bad, but that first one's really into the, it's brutal. I mean, yeah, when you put the, you know, you the lenses in I did to try to make this really creepy, but it, you know, Did you see it Mr. Ben at Do yet? No. Okay. No. So, so those are the ones, I don't know, Pete, you're the resident horror guy. I mean, any TV shows you recommend from a horror standpoint? Well, you know what, it, it's, it's interesting because like, you know, like they're, they're starting to do those, we talked about Hill House. They have the Chucky series on sci-fi, which is, That's right. Continuation of, you know, the original series. Um, you know, I don't, And Chucky never dies. Chucky ain't never died. Chucky never dies. No. No. If he, if, if they burn the doll, he'll just transfer to another good guy, Paul. It's no big deal. He still lives. It doesn't matter. Um, uh, I, I, you know, I'm always fond of like the TV and maybe it's just my age, but I love the old horror movies that were made for television. Like, um, like it, like I, even though I enjoyed newer IT iteration, I really like, because when I was a kid, I forget it came out 90, I was like nine, 10 years old, like should not be watching that. But I was glued to the TV and my parents clearly didn't stop me from watching it. So I watched that. It's a classic man on tv horror. Classic. You're right. Tv. I didn't know that was the first. I mean, I remember the book, but I didn't know that. The TV version was the, you know, the visual version of it. And so that's kind of funny. Yeah. Then they did the, uh, part one was pretty good. I thought part two was just over the top. I thought they just, they were just trying to do too much. But that's just my opinion., I mean, part two was just like too much cgi too much, you know, it's like, okay, we get it.. Yeah. And, and so, but also like, yeah, what I also wanted to mention too was not just, it was, um, oh my gosh, I'm totally forgetting. It's a vampire movie that was done back in, I think the seventies or eighties. And it was a, it was a, it was a made for TV movie. And it's funny cuz you look at it, Oh, I'm totally blanking at, I wish someone would correct me. Cause I can't remember at the time this second what it is. But, um, when you look at it, like, it looks like a regular horror, horror movie, but it was broadcast on network television and so it's crazy to watch that. It's really good still. I think now to this day, if I remember that name, I'll call. I'll, Was it it Dark Shadows? No, no. I mean this is like, this is like, I mean, seventies, eighties, when they, when they did this. So now I'm, I'm so mad cuz I'm blanking out. And it's one I definitely watch all the time. So I'm mad at myself for not remembering what this is called. All right. I'm gonna, I'm gonna assume you're not talking about Buffy, so, uh, No, Buffy was scary.. Yeah, She slay dog. She's slay slave. She slave. Literally. It's always good for a laugh though. That was a good, Always good for a laugh though. Are we talking about Christie Swanson? Are we talking about Sarah? Michelle Keller?. . Which b are we talking about? I was thinking that's where my head went. Yeah, but you're right. I thought the, the first one was at the movie was actually pretty decent. The movie's actually kind of funny. Yeah, it's, it's, it's entertaining. Yeah. But, um, I'm, I'm mad at myself for forgetting the name of that movie. Hopefully I'll remember. Good. Good, good, good. I mean, that, that's just kind of my, my thoughts on horror on television. No, I love it. Thank you. You know, uh, one thing I saw a report on Theo, uh, and I can't remember where it was, I was trying to find it before we started, but they were talking about the way society's feeling this kind of impending doom, uh, you know, with the recession and everything. And, you know, a lot of, a lot of horror movies reflect what's going on in real life. So we were, they were talking about the fact that, um, first of all, we're in recession, and second of all, everybody seems to have this, this just feeling of dread, doom, social anxiety or something going on that is causing a lot, a lot more of these films to be put into production. One because they're cheap, and two, because they're a good reflection of what's going on. Um, so I don't know if you had ever heard anything like that or if that makes sense to you happening, write about now. What? Yeah, I mean, you know, horror films. Well from a business standpoint, I mean, Blumhouse has shown this, you know, horror films make money. I mean, it is, we talked about this, Pete, on one of our podcasts, meeting Mr. Benjamin, White people go to the movies now, especially after the pandemic. You know, it has to be, um, you know, something you haven't seen before. You know, fear of missing out, and then you wanna feel something. And horror is probably one of the few genres. It's better in a communal experience. Cuz you know, it's nothing like being a who, everybody jumps, they jumps scare and then they, Oh, that was stupid. Everybody start laughing, you know, cause the cat just jumped out. Or you know, you're sitting next to people, you know, you know the, the creatures about to jump out and people start putting their hands like this or they squinting their eyes. You like, ah, you jumpers,, . So, you know, horror is like, you know, you know, especially for younger folks, you kind of go and it's a business, it is a money maker, right? We just had smile that just got, you know, you know, it was number one for two weekends in a row. We had a barbarian, you know, that, that popped off. Um, and so they, these horror film and, and they're pretty cheap to make, right? So from business standpoint, you got nice margins on it, you know, it's cheap to make and it's something that's reliable in the box office. And so, so from a business standpoint, I definitely think they're gonna keep making it. Not to your point, you know, are we gonna see more of these. Because it's a recession. Sure. because it's a money maker and so they, it's cheaper to make, so they'll probably do more cuz they know they can probably, And then to your point, uh, they can, they can determine if, you know, if they wanna put it in streaming or movies or at the same time like they did where Halloween ends, you know, put it on both streaming end movies. I mean, Filmers might not like that, but then I think that's the path, you know, it's all going to. So, um, so to your point, I do think, you know, people are more anxious, our society's anxious. Um, and I definitely think we'll see more, you know, horror films. But I think it's a relation of just the fact that we, it's, it's, it's a business making opportunity. Right? And so they're gonna do more of that just in general. You know, I, I wanna recommend to you both, there's some fantastic documentaries on horror. Um, Eli Roth does a fantastic series, um, and it's called Eli Roth's History of Horror. And he goes through each subgenre, I think there's like three or four seasons of it. Um, and he brings on different filmmakers and there's like a, uh, there kind of a companion piece he has where he has like hour long discussions with certain filmmakers, which is really interesting. Um, but there's that, I, I'd recommend that to you guys as well as there's a. They just released a third part. It's a three part series called Into Darkness. Um, and it's a, it's, it's solely on eighties horror movies. And it's like, like the part one is like over two hours. Part two is like four hours long. Like they get into some really awesome discussion on horror movies in the eighties. And what's crazy about it, Theo, is you're talking about like how horror movies are cheap and you know, they're easy to make and they can also be reflective of society. That is the exact mindset they used back in the eighties when they were making these movies. Cuz at the time, you know, there was like a transition where people were starting to learn, filmmakers were learning that they didn't need the big budget studio. To rely on because they had straight to video. Right? Like that was, Yeah. And so film started to rely on that. And so that's where you started to see with the more, you know, cheaply done horror movies, but are like now like cult type, classic type films made back then. Um, and so it's interesting that you bring that up because I think there's like an interesting parallel, um, between like now and then and, and how like, you know, you know, uh, uh, you know, it, it's not necessarily imitate, um, art, uh, not necessarily like an imitation type of thing, but just a lot of similarities you're bringing up that I remember listening to in that eighties doc, I just say this, two studios that just recently, you know, started a 24 and Blumhouse. Mm-hmm., They built their studio on horror. Right. Don't forget about monkey. Oh, Monkey Par. Oh yeah. I mean, yes, with Jordan Peele, you know, he just is entity in itself. I'm talking about like a studio. I mean, Blumhouse, you know, I can't, Do you remember what the first Blumhouse movie was, Pete? I was trying to think through that. We don't have the, uh, luxury of the internet with us right now. first one, I, uh, first one that that consciously came to mind for me was, uh, The Purge, which is a, a different type of horror. Like a Yeah, yeah. Society going Mad thing. Yeah. Yeah. The Purge. Um, and then E 24, obviously, you know, uh, like I told you, um, uh, Hereditary and they did some other horror films. Did you see the new ones? They just did, They just did Old Trilogy, which is interesting on Ty West, and he did like, uh, he did one, it was like, uh, Sex, Sex or something. Then it was like a character from that movie. He did a prequel. Yeah. It was called The Pearl and he just did another one that showed the sequel and they called it Mia X or something like that. Yeah. And uh, and I thought that was a genius. It was just like, you know, and he did off in a year and I was just like, wow, man. He did a trilogy horror film in a year and it was all based on like, you know, the same characters. And so, um, so, you know, and that was a 24. Who's known for, you know, class? You know, um, you know, Oscar worthy type films. So I think horror. And then to your point, Mr. Bender, you know, you got filmmakers like, um, uh, Jordan Peele made his career. He was a comedy guy, made his career based on, um, you know, comedy. Now he's a horror guy, or the guy who did Smile. I heard he was a comedy guy. He was a, he, he's the director. He used to be in the, uh, troop, the whitest guys, you know, and he directed Smile, right? I mean, I smile barbarian. So, um, yeah, so we'll see more and more stuff like that. And then obviously, uh, what's it, um, the guy, uh, James Gunn, he came from horror, right? Of course. Sliter and all this stuff you did there, so, so yeah, horror's, big business man. I think, you know, you can make your chops in horror and get people talking, thinking differently. You can easily kind of shoot to the top of the rinks. Yep. Absolutely agree. Yeah. Uh, have either of you ever seen, uh, unconsciously the zombie movie? I have not. Okay. This movie, Unconsciously. Yeah, this is a new one. Uh, Zombies. Abe, uh, said one of the movies that, uh, just stuck out as a kid. So I was wondering if any of us had seen it. Cause I had never heard of that one. You know what, I don't think I've seen that. Huh? I'll have to check that out. I haven't seen no one either, but thanks. I mean, so many. It's got so many different, How many genres are there, Pete? Do you know off the top of your head? Oh boy. Uh, let's see. There's lasher, there's paranormal, there's torture porn, There's, uh, what else? Um, blanking out. Found footage. Um, Body Body Horror. Um, Koberg. That's mostly Kronenberg. Yeah, that's definitely Kronenberg. I actually, Do you count the, do you count the psychological through like, uh oh yeah. Absolutely. The Shining. Definitely psychological. Isn't that more like, uh, paranormal though? Like I know they kind of cross like a vinn diagram there, , it's tough. Cause like you say paranormal, you could look at, you don't, but you don't look at like the conjuring and the shining the same cuz those are different, right? Yeah. Like those would be like an example of like paranormal or ghost story versus like psychological horror type of type of thing. Um, God, there's so many different genres of horror and, and the crazy thing is like, you know, when you think, when you think about it and then Oh, oh real quick. I don't mean to rub it. That's okay. That's what probably shot Jordan. Peel cuz he in essence, kind of created this whole concept of, uh, what do, what does he call it? Not social conscious horror, but it's like built with, um, he called it something, but it's built, you know, from a, a black person's perspective, trying to look at the world through that or, you know, kind of mode. And so if get out, so that's kind of, you know, his kind of claim to fame kind of create his own little subgenre within that. And I've seen that Mr. Bender, we kind of saw that with them. You and I talked about that, like what last year that uh, TV show on Amazon that's kind of along that same line, Right? That kind of horror that's built on, um, you know, um, more rooted into, you know, the black experience. And so I thought that was interesting. Oh, right, right. Uh, the name of the show them. Yeah. Yep. Um, yeah. And we were talking about Candy Man as well. Which candy man? It's, it's funny, the new Candy man, like a lot of. It. That was the first movie like that that made me actually go back and do research because hooking in the Candyman story from these other two, I was wondering why certain things were happening. I actually had to stop the movie at one point and say, okay, they were, they were telling the truth about having to go understand the story, the background, um, even laws like in the area, you know, that they would use at the time that led to Candyman. And it made it such a richer experience. And I was like, this is really interesting. Um, and yeah, it is a total, totally new way of looking at things. And in fact, the way you guys have been talking, I was actually scribbling down here. I came up with an. For horror movie. Uh, I'll put it out there offline. Keep it secret. But I, I never ca I had never had an inkling to do a horror kind of story until this conversation and I had to write down my idea. So thank you. Well, you know, should we still, uh, Mr. Benjamin, we were going through, uh, the screenwriting stuff. I actually wrote an outline cuz you know, I was, You know, newly married and I had just saw, uh, Rosemary's baby. And so I was trying to do an update of Rosemary's baby from a male male's perspective and understanding the, the, the, the anxiety I was feeling by having my first child. So I thought that, you know, so to your point, pe it could be almost psychological relief because you're kind of exercising some of your worries and fears in a horror film. And, um, and so I, I watched a lot of horror film about, you know, babies getting, you know, it's kind of baby being pregnant and dealing with that and that to get me in that frame of mind. Cause I wanted to get, you know, a sense of what was relevant at the time. So I wrote the whole outline, got through like the first act and I kind of abandoned it at that point. But, but it was kind of interesting. It was a good relief mechanism to kind of get outta my system. Yeah. No, I, I totally agree that it, it's, it's one of those things that, for me too, it, it's like a, it sounds weird and crazy, but it's kind of like a stress reliever. It can be a bit of a stress reliever for you. Kind of like, the same way as, you know, playing video games after having a bad day. You know, you guys remember back in the day, we'd, we'd pop in, you know, GTA four and, and people fucking run over people on a video game because we were having a shit day. Um, but it's the same idea. It's the same idea. Hey, uh, really quick little Easter egg. Um, there's a haunted area in Red Dead Redemption, the first one. And a lot of people say that like, Hey, I thought I saw something over there. And they're not sure if they're glitches or not. Well, I, I just wanna say it right here. There's some spooky stuff out in that part of the game that happens where people may have thought like, Hey, is this, I thought it was over there. Must be a G glitch in the game. It's actually some seriously uber subtle things that we did in the game to mess with the player anytime they went in that area. Oh yeah. Love it. It was purposeful. Yeah. Some of those that people are like, Oh, there's a glitch here. If you try this, this, and this, and some other guy will be arguing in the comments. It's like, Dude, where are you talking about? I never seen this in my life. And it's, Yeah, we played with the player just a little bit. Oh, that's. That's hilarious. I love it. I love it. Love that. Yeah. Yeah. That's how you do it, man. That's how you do it. I mean, yes. I mean, just imagine playing a game and you're kind of like, Oh wait, I thought the door was over here. But it's so, it's so frequent and rare and like a, such a subtle change of like the doorknob being on the other side of the door or something, and you're like, Wait a minute. No. Well, you know, um, Going, I mean, so we talk about horror tv, real life. Um, you know, I'm kind of wanna think about reality horror real quick. I mean, it don't be long on it, but you know, you see all these paranormal activity shows and, you know, ticks and stuff like that. Ghost hunting. Yeah, ghost hunting. You go tot and people like, it was, that was kind of freaky. This one girl said, you know, she opened a hole on wall and she found this whole, you know, cavern inside her, her apartment or something like her house, or like, that she never knew existed. But I mean, you know, with all this out here, I mean, you know, it's just like, dude, you know, ain't nobody capturing no ghosts, what's going on?? Where the ghosts, Hey man, it's, it's, it's a weird thing. Um, and you know, I just got discovery plus. That just showed up all on the on list, the whole bunch of that up there. And, and I'm not gonna lie, like, you know, like I think, I think the guys out on Ghost Adventures are definitely like super extra, but I find it still entertaining. You know, I can, you know, it's, uh, they're just like, it's someone to put up a hilarious meme that said like, Ghost Adventures. Just a bunch of guys that are, that are like, you know, uh, nagging Ghost on and then scream when the ghost square up. Like it was just What's up, Square up.. What's up son? You ready now? And you, you cond your me mother Condre me.. Don't make me come off this mirror.. So is that the number one reality Adventures? I think it's, I, I, I'd have to say it's probably the most popular. Um, there's a bunch out there, but it's, I think it's probably the most recognizable. And I, and I think they have Zach Baggins to think for that. Um, he's, he's just, he's an extreme. I don't know if it's if that's really him or it's a character of, of, of, you know himself. But, um, he sells it and, and it works. So I gotta check it out. Okay. Yeah, I'll go see what they're doing. All right. So let's do a, uh, little round table here. We'll go, we'll go around the block and, uh, if you have something else you wanna say after this, we can pick that up too. But I just wanted to go around and, uh, follow a suggestion that Theo said some of the, your all time, uh, favorite, I don't even know if that's the right word, favorite or, um, touch. ones, the ones that really stuck out to you and that you hold onto. They're your favorites. They're the ones that you keep with Just go round table. I'll, I'll list one Theo. List one Pete, and so forth. So, um, I was just thinking about this and after what you said, Theo, in the, in the Chad, uh, I gotta go to, uh, Texas Chainsaw Massacre that Yeah, as I, as I told you, uh, original, uh, both of them were very entertaining to me, um, for different reasons. But yeah, I, I really liked them both. That whole vibe of the country like that. I'm telling you, when I grew up in Louisiana and Mississippi, man, we would see houses like that and sometimes we would just pull over, take a picture or whatever, and it's just kind of creepy because you see roads that just lead off the highway into nothing and there will be houses out there. So, uh, Texas Chainsaw Massacre got me. Nice. Oh man, you got one, Theo. Oh yeah. I mean, it's so many, I mean, I'm just trying to, My brain was just like, br going through the Rolodex of stuff. I mean, so, Alright, this is gonna be off the wall, not the original, but the one that Josh Weedon did, I know is Person Ryle right now, but Cabin in the Woods. I thought that was really interesting take on that. I mean, you know, um, yeah, he, you know, it's still tongue in cheek, but I like how he was saying like, you know what horrors for, and that's what he kind of explained at the end of the movie and I thought that was kind of interesting. So, so Captain in the Woods, the most recent one, I kind of really, uh, Vibe with them, what the story is trying to tell about why it was necessary and the arch types, right? He kind of broke into the five arch types, you know, divergent, you know, the, the, the fool, you know, the jock, you know? Yeah. All these different arch types you get over and over in films, you know, and why they're important. And then also like the fact there's a concept of like, there was every horror imaginable. One thing that the cop didnt wanted to get killed by. He got killed by. And so that was hilarious. So, so I liked it. All right. Um, you know, uh, first of all, the original sections, Chainsaw, massas, like in my top three all time, so matter respect for that, uh, Ben. Um, but I would say probably my all time favorite horror movie, um, probably is American Psycho. Hmm. And to me, it's actually not just one of my favorite horror films. It's probably one of my favorite films, like ever. Um, I, I think it's so, so well done. Um, I think it's another one of those, you know, sub commentaries on society, especially in the eighties when he had like the YPI culture, you know, these. These kids on Wall Street who had these high powered jobs that didn't actually know what they were doing. And I think, you know, uh, you know, uh, that movie does such a good job of conveying that, you know? Cause most of the time when you see Patrick Bateman with all his, with all his buddies from work, they're like eating or drinking. They're not actually doing any work. And even when it shows him in an op, his office, he's watching Jeopardy or he is doing crosswords or he is drawing the girl he just slaughtered up the night before. And so, you know, it's like he's not doing anything. And I think this is something funny to be said about that. And I think that the director, Mary Harmon did a fantastic job of conveying that. And, you know, and just, uh, Christian BA's performance alone is just phenomenal in that film. And I think that's part of the reason he got that man too, was that performance. Yeah. Um, but um, but uh, it's, it's just so well done. The kills are, are.. Um, and, and I think it's one of those unsuspected, those, those not, uh, those unsuspecting type of horror movies that you wouldn't expect. Cuz I still remember seeing it, uh, the weekend it came out and it was like, I didn't know what I was getting into, but I was hooked from the moment it started. Right? Yeah. Yeah. True story. I remember seeing that late at night one time, and I couldn't understand what was going on. It was like literally, I, I think I was half asleep too, but it's like, is this a horror film? Yeah. Here's it set in. I was just like, so confused and so, uh, but yeah, it, it, I agree. It's, it's up there. All right. Very cool. Um, another one I had was a relative, relatively recent lot, like new old school, but, um, descent really got me. Mm-hmm., so a bunch of campers, you know, um, I forgot what you call 'em, not Splunkers. Were they splu? Cave explorers. Yeah. They, uh, yeah, going in the, the series of caves, like, Dude, this hasn't been explored. They've only gone like, you know, uh, so, so many feet into the cave, no one's really ever gone, like a mile in, we're gonna do it. That movie, I don't know why. Well, actually I do know why the characters, the way they interacted was so different to me. And instead of them all like huddling together and being scared, you got this new kind of psychological fight between all the characters. Like, No, we're doing this. No, we're doing that. And it's like, oh, oh, oh, conflict. You know? And the way the characters played on each other and the way it ended was totally awesome to me. So, uh, that, that actually ranks up there in mind. I mean, you know, is it horror? You know, is it, you know, this, this was, I always like this one. I mean, cuz this was like, blew my mind, you know, when it, when it came out, got on the map, right. Um, uh, the Sixth Cents, you know, as nice Salamon. Sure. And it was just like, you know, um, I mean it just, you know, that Twisted His Day was amazing how he set that up and I don't think he'll ever get to that point again. He's never able to top that one. But I mean, the story set you up so well that it is just like, you forgot you were watching the horror, you know, sudo a horror film. Right. And then it is a horror in the sense of the guy's tragedy of, you know, what the realization was for Bruce Wilson's character. And so, um, so yeah, so to this day, I mean, you know, I kinda like heartwarming horror, if you will. I have some other ones on that list. You know, that's actually, that's actually a good one to, uh, watch reactions of you go to YouTube and watch Sixth Senses Reaction. You'll relive it. You'll see what I mean when you watch those again. Yeah. That was the other one too. That's kinda like heartwarming horror. Do you remember, um, what's it called, uh, with the cold Kidman? Uh, was it, What was this? She was a ghost. Oh. Um, oh, I think we, The what? Yeah. I forgot what it was called, but it was really good. Hmm. Really? I know you're talking. Yeah. The visitor or something like, I can't remember. But yeah, something like, Yeah. But it was really good about, you know, her and her, her kids and the family and what that meant. And so stuff like that. You know, ghost stories that kind of warm your heart, . Aww. What you got for us, Pete . Well, you know, I've been talking about like slasher movies and more serious horror, but, uh, let's have a little fun with the next one. I'll go with the killer claws from Outer Space, which is Oh, deep dive. I was between that because I feel like that's, I feel like that's actually like a, another subgenre of horror because in the eighties you had these campy be movies like Killer Klons or Night of the Crepes, that that meshed a lot of different genres together. And they were very successful in doing this, you know, and, you know, uh, uh, Night of the Creeps is a fantastic job of mer of, of, you know me, of mashing up, uh, zombies and aliens and, and, uh, slasher. Like, it's, it's, it's nuts. It's been, If you've never seen Night of the Creeps, I highly recommend it, but I'm gonna go with Killer Clowns from Outer Space because it's so freaking. I love it. I love it. Think about that title, like Alone, You're, What is this? What is this? And it's just, it's freaking crazy about these just clowns that just come outta nowhere, literally from outer space and, and you know, their guns turn people into cotton candy and that's how they drain the blood from, from humans too, of course. Makes sense. Makes sense. It's so funny, when I was a kid, I was freaked out by the clowns. Those look terrifying. But as in adult, I'm just like more, just like I laugh. It's a good time for me now when I watch the movie, but for me, it's one of those cold classics I could never turn off when I see it on. I, uh, I totally remember, uh, walking through a blockbuster video, an old VHS store, and you know, I used to be kind of fascinated by what stuck out on the box, even as a kid, you know? So the mark, the marketing got me right , Um, and when I saw Killer Clouds from Outer Space, I was like, What? That's silly. That's weird. That's stupid. Ooh, I like it. Let me look at this, this . Yeah. And I, every time I walked by in the, in the theater, I mean, um, the, the video store, it was always kind of there. Somebody was always picking it up, buying it. One of those cult classics be totally beier, but yeah. Oh yeah, you got that one feed. That's a good one. It's, it's, it's entertaining, you know, it's, you know, with all the, the different sub genres of horror, it's always nice to have like a fun horror movie. You can just sit back and just kind of enjoy and laugh at. And movies like Killer Clowns and none of the creeps I think are perfect examples of that. Yeah. Um, I really liked, uh, this one, uh, totally got me cause I. I'm usually more of a sci-fi fan, so as a kid I really dug Alien, Man. I was gonna say, that one had to throw that one in there.. You stole it., you know, cause I go back and watch it story and the characters and like the, and that's, that was, uh, pretty unique for me in, in terms of like how it compared to all the other horror movies where it's like, Oh no, I want to kind of know what happens with the spaceship and mm-hmm. you know, the exploratory expedition. Um, I don't know if I need to explain it, but yeah. Alien just is up there for me. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's a classic, Mr. Benjamin, you hit the nail on the head. I mean, from the design of the creature to the whole backstory, who these folks are, they weren't like, you know, they were just workers. They, you know, blue collar workers in space. I mean, it was just like, Dude, I want, I wanna know the whole universe of aliens. They never explained that. I mean, they tried to do what? Perus, but, uh, still kind of not there yet. But I thought, you know, and then the way the creature killed you, it was just like so unique. It was just like, Oh man, I'm okay. Everything's okay, Yep. And then you like this little creature, ye ye, you know, coming around and next thing you know, you know, it's just creature that's just, you know, got teeth and blood. I mean, it's just, Kudos, man. I, I mean that's, to me is like the top notch. I mean, cuz it works on sci-fi level survivor horror and then, you know, you have a, a, a female lead that's kicking butt. I mean, you don't never, well she didn't really kick butt until the second one, but she, you know, she still survived and figured it out how to get around. So, um, a girl. Yeah, there's always the final girl, right? So, so yeah. So I think, you know, and it's, and, and it's, it is, it is update to the, you know, killer in the house, right? You know, there's been movies like that, you know, where there's a killer in the house, but now's a creature in the house. So aliens up there for me. So I guess, uh, man, man, you took my desk a deep cut man. I was gonna go through that route. So, um, Oh man, I gotta come up with something good. I mean, how come we don't, I mean, so I'm trying, I know we say Slashers movies, but how come No, I mean, no one gets Jason any love no more man. Jason is the original to me. I know Michael Myers, I know Texas Chainsaw, Matt Leather face, I know all that crap. But Michael, my, I mean, um, Jason man, come on with the hockey man. Is it because he was too derivative? Cuz the other ones, But to me that was the one that just, you know, I mean, I got machete, I got mass. Jason X, you know, he's got Jason's, you know, versus Freddy, you know, you know, I mean, it's just, Jason's been, you know, in, in my life for a long time. I mean, I, I, I'm, I'm trying to, as a resident of horror expert here, Pete, why is Jason not get as much love as these other characters slasher guys? You know, I don't, I don't know, like, I, I actually think that he's, like in the horror community at least. Like, he, like he is definitely up there as much as Michael, as much as Freddie. I think public, like in the, the, you know, the regular general audience, I think Michael Myers is just kind of known because of the fact that Halloween 78 really kickstarted, you know, that kind of for the slashers, even though it wasn't the first slasher. It did something in such a way that sparked the eighties movement of horror, um, whether it be slasher or any else, any other kind of horror movies. But it really got the wheel in motion. Um, and I think it's just Michael Meyer's presence, like I was talking about earlier. Just that faceless, that this emotionless mass that really freaks people out. But I think j there's still, there is a place for Jason as well. I mean, he's had, I think there's, you know what, I'd love to actually see if there was more Friday the 13th or Halloween. There might actually, there's probably, there actually might be more Halloween movies because of the different timelines that were created from. From the original, uh, uh, movie. But, um, you know, there, there's kind of a, there's definitely more of a, I think more of a fun quality to the Friday the 13th movies because it's straight up slasher. Like these movies don't try to connect, it's just Jason murdering people each movie and they just create a story. Um, I mean even, I mean, come on. They put Jason in space, which is one of my personal favorites because it's bad shit. Crazy. But painting, I just watch it today actually. I was watching it, I was working. Jason is Space man, Jason lives all that stuff. Amped up using their technology by accident and he becomes like, like hued out, like Jason, like it's so funny. Even the kills one of the kill. He kills one of the girls with, uh, putting her face in, in like a cryo freeze. Pulls her out and smashes her. Like it's comedy. It's hilarious.. Yeah, man. Yeah. Jason in face is, is absolutely comical. But to your, to your point. Uh, Theo, like, I think that, I actually think that he's. He, I don't, I don't think it seems like he's as popular as Michael, but I think he's right up there. Like I, I, I think he's got a huge fan base. I think there are a lot of people that prefer Friday the 13th over Halloween. Um, it's just, I think, I think Halloween just gets more press. I think that's, Well, I think, I think, you know, you said the, you said it right, The ho the horror fans really, you know, lean towards Michael Myers. But as far as the average person goes, you know, Jason, the hockey mask and the machete that's so recognizable. Mm-hmm., you know, so you get the video games, you get the, in fact there's a, there's a new multiplayer video game. I don't know if you guys have seen that. I haven't, I forgot. I forgot the name of it. But, um, I was on Twitch and you know, I saw these people running around. Okay, I need to turn the generator on so we can power the boat. And they're all running around this crazy area and I'm like, Wait, what kind of multiplayer game is this?? And all of a sudden, like somebody opens up a, a door and then, you know, you see Jason running down the hall and they're like, Oh my God, he's here, he's here. And it's like six people play in this multiplayer game. They all freak out. They're like, I'm coming to help you. And like, I'm not coming to help you. And it's ex, it's exciting because they do what they do, they would do in a horror movie. It's like, you have to make the decision. It's like, alright, that's my boy, but I might have to let him die. uh, if he dies, I could pick up his Bowie knife and his, uh, his meal rations. You know, they're making all these decisions. Oh, that's hilarious. Who's gonna live and who's gonna die?. It's comedy. Dude, I gotta look that up. That's a good one. I'm gonna look that up. So was that, was, was that yours, Pete? Uh, Friday. Uh, no, no, that was mine. Who really, I just kind as the, I would actually, Oh, sorry. I would actually go with, uh, I toss it and turning this one, but, um, let's go with Scream. Um, that's probably my second favorite horror franchise. Huh. Um, You know, I, I was kind of iffy on screen five. I thought it was okay. Um, it, it was, it didn't move the needle for me or anything. I, to me, the first four movies are actually very, very good. Um, you know, uh, but screen just, I mean, in the nineties, you know, horror was kind of on a decline. There was not a whole lot going on. You know, they, they did Halloween part six to Kirs Ma Myers that did nothing. Um, not to mention that a shitload of stuff going on behind scenes that people didn't know about, that it's, it's amazing that movie got made. Um, horror movies just were not what they were in the eighties, because even at that point, they kind of had a bit of a decline. But I would say that, um, screen kind of came in and just reinvented the genre. Mm-hmm., you know, they, they were, it was, it was meta. It was, it was. It was making fun of itself and the horror genre, but still was a slasher movie that you could believe and that you could be entertained by. And still at the end with the twist of who the killer was, you know, you're you, it was kind of like, whoa, this is fricking crazy. Because you know, the great thing about Scream and all the Scream movies is they do a good job of teasing who the killer might be, um, and then giving you a total twist at the end of the movie. Like I just re-watched screen four earlier today and I forgot how much I really enjoy that one. And I was skeptical after screen three because it had been so long. But you have to remember. Wes Craven actually did scream for, So when you look at that, you look at that, at that and what he did, bringing back all the legacy characters and making them totally involved in the story. It actually worked. And you still, you know, had Sidney Prescott as the final girl coming out and, and, uh, surviving from screen four. Yeah. Doing what I heard. She's really like, but she's not showing up in the next one. I guess they didn't wanna pay her enough, so Yeah, it's just plain Dave, Dave Campbell's like, I'm out, do some Yeah. I mean, I don't know how you do it without, without her, but, you know, it'll, it'll be interesting to see how, how it all goes down, so. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're right that, that's the classic Yeah. Good pool. Yeah. Mr. Ben, what you got? Um, I just wanna make a correction. I said, I said Jason, but I meant Michael Myers, uh, for the game and thank you, uh, Zombies Abe for, uh, throwing out the name. Yes. Dead by Daylight is the game, um, dead by Daylight? Yeah, it's, it's, uh, crazy. Um, alongside original characters, it includes, Characters in settings from various franchises. Nightmare Elm Street Attack on Titan, CRI tv, Evil, dead Halloween. So it brings in all kinds of stuff. Um, but yeah, it's funny to watch people on Twitch play that. I just wanna throw that out there, And, uh, let's see. Um, you know the one that put me into, into, um, Japanese? Who was the ring? Yeah, that one really got, It's not a good one. You just took another one from me too. Damn. You. Yeah, man. Uh, creep as hell. If you ever played the dvd. D the, um, you know how the, how the DVDs have intros, right? And, you know, you put the DVD in and just let it run. And some, some of those DVDs have like, really interesting ways of just passing the time. Um, we call that a track mode in video games, but, but for this, for this movie, I let it sit in there, right? and. after about 30, 35 minutes. Cause I was cooking and I was gonna like, Okay, lemme put this DVD on and I'll watch it Every so often, weird shit happens. in the attract mode, like while it's sitting there, you know, just kind of rumbling it. Some Easter eggs are in there, some weird stuff happens. So I'm like cooking and I hear somebody like, and I run in the room and I'm like, I'm like, I've been letting this thing run for like 20, 20 minutes and I haven't heard that sound. And I'm thinking, was that just me? Was that the dvd? I didn't know. Movie freaked me out. DVD freaked me out. Um, total that goes in my classics list, Definit. Yeah. Yeah, same here, man. I mean, you know, that, that's definitely a communal experience. I remember seeing that in the movie theater and just, you know, people being freaked out, you know, um, you know, reveal how you look after it's over. And then, um, the, but the, you know, to be honest, it's like a slow boiler, right? The, the big reveal doesn't happen till the very end, you know, she's pulling stuff out her, her mouth, but it's all related to, you know, what happened to the girl, which I thought was kind of interesting. So, yeah, very well done story wise. And then when you finally get the big reveal at the end, everybody's like, Oh, freak it out.. Yeah. And, and, and the thing that kid said, Man, when that kid talked, I was just, he's like, it's like, No, that ain't it. You fucked up. You know, And it was just like, it was just like, No, no, She, That's, that's what she wants. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Scary kids always do it for me. Right. Movie . So they, uh, yeah. Um, oh man, I'm trying to think, Man, shoot my turnaround. I never actually saw this movie, but, um, true story. I was at Church and a good friend of mine told me the whole plot of his story in church. That does you all you need to know. So the name of this movie is called Hell Razor in Church. I love it in church. And so I did kind of go back and kind of like look at snippets of, it's kind of funny now, it's kind of hokey now, right? With the special effects. But two story, they do have the uh, uh, TV series about it now. Right. That's showing up. So I haven't checked it out yet, but, uh, I mean, you know, just the most. You know that, that that's that religious kind of thing. I mean, it's not really religious, but still it's just, you know, kind of like that kind of genre of like, you know, possession stories, stuff like that. I remember I wanted, I went on a date for a girl man, and at the time I just could not watch it and I felt bad. I think that messed up my chances with her. Cause I was literally just like feeling sick to my stomach watching this, like some horror feeling about possession. I went to go see it with her and that was my first chance. I'm gonna press this girl. I'm gonna be tough. I was like, Oh no, I should have watched this Oh man. And she, she said, Are you okay? I said, Yeah, I'm okay.. You played yourself on that one too? I did, man, I shoulda went to go see something else. Oh man. It was never the same after that. I was in the friend zone for life after that. So , so, so like I said, man, I just don't do well. I mean, I don't mind, you know, It's okay watching some of that stuff. But like, I think it was the one with the, uh, the hunting, the Emily Rose, Laura Lenny, it was a pretty classy one. Laura Lenny was in it, the girl from Dexter, she was in it. She played the, the girl that was possessed. Um, but yeah, that kind of stuff. And it. It's like at three 18 stuff, crazy stuff happened, and I think I woke up at three 18 next night alone. So yeah, stuff like that, I just, you know, the religious type of horror stuff, I, I, you know, I ain't got time to open that door, man. I'm, I'm good . So, but yeah, those are kind, uh, so hell raises of that stuff. Those are kind of, you know, up there for me. Those are just like, wow. I, I don't wanna watch to 'em, but I, I, I, I, they are, you know, pretty up there for me when it comes to like, horror. All right. Um, what you got for, you gonna round us up? Uh, yeah, Let me end with, uh, a newer one. A newer, I would say probably in the last like five, six years. Uh, it's a found footage movie. It's called Hell House llc. Um, this is a movie I just happened to stumble upon. I was watching Shutter one day, I think I fell asleep. I woke up and I was, I left Shutter just running. And, uh, I woke up to the ending of it and it was really crazy because it's, it's a really for, for being that it's, it's a cheap, low budget. Found footage movie with like no star actors. Like they do a very good job of making it seem like it's real. They throw in some YouTube videos because basically it's about, um, these like six friends who during October, like rent out places to do like a hunt and they go to this one hotel and it, it basically, it, it doesn't come alive, but there's demons within it that they didn't know existed. You know, they're just like, they're just like, you know, it's like five dudes and a girl and, and they, you know, they don't really suspect anything but things are slowly happening and some of them are like, this is kind of weird. The the main guy's like, Nah, it's fine. It's fine. It's, it's, this is nothing. You guys are freaking out over nothing. And it's, it's very good in terms of how it builds up tension. Um, there's some really good, like, really, really good jump scares. There's a freaky, freaky clown in it that's, it's actually like a mannequin, but it looks te Absolutely terrifying. Yeah. Um, But, uh, it's, it's really good. I, I definitely, I always recommend to anyone hell house ll It's that good. That's, that's a funny name. It, it is. I know. It's like incorporated, like, Yeah. I love it. I love it. Oh man. Man, this is good, man. Thanks for, uh, jumping on here, Mr. P. Cause this is, uh, for all days, man, we're just like really understanding, like horror and the need for it. So this is the perfect time to talk about during Halloween se season. Absolutely. Yeah. Um, yeah, I'm, I, I totally, It's one of those weird genres that just kind of sits out there, um, at least for, for me. And it's like, I never actually go looking for it, but every so often I'm like, Hey, what's. Okay. Yeah, I would like to see this, this guy die, you know? And I just watch it. I don't know. I, but, you know, And then to your point, Mr. Ben, it's kind of like, like I wanted to go see Barbarian. I, I wanted to see the, the phone one too. I heard that was good cuz it's got Ethan Hawkin it too. Oh, that's such a good, such a, Yeah, so it's kind of like, you know, there's the, you know, they're stacking up for me cuz Barbarian, I wanted to see, you know, hereditary cuz I heard so much about it. I wanted to see, um, the other one. What's the other one? Uh, midsummer because that's, that's the one, it's all in day and it's like, can you be, can you be scary? So, so horror's trying to push like, the elements of what can be scary, you know, you know, what can we, you know, you know, And then also what's modern, like, I think smiles based on trauma, so mm-hmm.. So, you know, I'm, I'm always fascinated by like war hard can go and what they're trying to do with it. And so of all the genres they, you know, it is not like, You know, they're trying and do you know with all these, uh, Conjuring and what's it the little do, What's the little Annabelle and all that kinda stuff? Oh yeah, yeah. They still have their franchises of course, but uh, you see the latest one of the little, the little Megan, You saw that trailer? I saw the trailer. That thing looks nuts. My wife was, my wife was cracking up. Have you seen the trailer for this Mr. Bitch yet? Oh, it's good. Go checkout me crazy. Listen is see, right? It's a, it's a Dos, it's a Dow Horror film. But , it is just like they're gonna go there. This is gonna be. There's gonna be so many means from this one. I, I know. I just know definitely check it out. So anyway, I, I just like, I just think that horror, you know, they definitely try to do interesting, unique things and, you know, I, I'm there for it, man. You know, just push the genre, see where it can go. Yeah. Uh, last thing, um, I did want to just make a note that we always talk about the streaming wars and, um, stuff going on and like Marvel and everything, uh, werewolf by night. I saw it. I thought it was a great way to do that type of show where you have this thing you may watch every year or you just throw it on. It's kind of fun. Uh, we saw the Multiverse of Madness stuff happen, which was, uh, Dr. Strange and Multiverse Madness had these horror elements in it. And, you know, we got, we got Blade, uh, the Midnight Sons coming, so. Door open for that kind of stuff, and DC actually isn't too far from that as well. Once you start getting into Dr. Fate Zana and start going down that direction. So it's like dark. Yep. Yeah, exactly. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Constantine. Yeah, you're right. There's a lot of stuff in there. So, uh, that's coming back too. Constantine. Yeah. Forgot about that. That's coming back Constantine, so, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, matter of fact, there was the animated, uh, do you see the, uh, uh, the animated version of, uh, what's it called? Justice, Dark Justice in Dark. Yeah. That was pretty cool, man. All those, you know, those guys getting together, Yeah. So, uh, so, so, yeah, so I agree man. So yeah, streaming wars is still an effect. I mean, you know, they trying to make superhero, you know, they gonna pack every genre into superhero, Right., so they horror, they're gonna figure this out. I mean, you know, eventually agreed. Totally. All right. Well, uh, I, I got some, I got some suggestions I'm gonna be watching here. Uh, thanks to you guys for all the, these lists. I don't know, is there anything else you wanted to cover or talk about right quick or. This was fun. Yeah. Yeah. Know. Blast. Pete, thank you for joining. I mean, you know, working everybody check you out. I know you did a Halloween pod for a while there, Are you still doing that with which guy? Yeah, Which got on the books file, but, uh, we're gonna be jumping on pretty soon to do our review of Halloween ends. Um, I actually was invited on a podcast a couple days ago to talk about, uh, Halloween Enza and a, another podcast, which was pretty cool. So I'll post that when that becomes live. But, um, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna get back to our Halloween Never Dies podcast because it does cover the whole franchise and I think we're like six, seven movies in. So, um, you know, and I can, I've done like such a deep dive into this franchise. I could probably, I could probably do a, an entire conference on the franchise with every and be totally fine with it., what would you call it? I don't know, honestly, , I dunno. Pacing, pacing. Pete's Halloween Murder con. There we go. Murder Con. I love it. I'm sure they got one though, like that, but awesome, man. Well, no, go check them out wherever. Twitter, Anywhere else? Anything else? Any projects, other projects you're working on? No, just, um, I, I wish I could, uh, you know, just the, the podcast, which is, um, you know, like I said, we'll be recording soon, but other than that, um, you know, you can find me at PCP on Instagram and Twitter and, um, yeah. Uh, always happy to talk for . Awesome. Awesome. Yeah, man, let us, we'll, we'll, uh, we'll, we'll, yeah, let us know when that happens, um, when it comes out and we'll, we'll shout you out. Uh, we'll be guested on it if you want, as always. So Cool. That'd be awesome. That'd be awesome. Go ahead there. Yeah. Well, hey everyone, thank you for listening. Show versus business is what we do on Wednesdays. Uh, well this is Monday, so it's a little different , so, but check it out. This will probably be on pod that we'll put out there shortly. You know, this'll be our Halloween special pod. Probably do another pod on Wednesday where we're going to the news. But yeah, we definitely talk about business side and then show side of show business. So we try to talk about a little bit of everything. So go listen to us where we listen to podcasts. That could be Google, Pod Beam, Spotify, Apple. Just go check us out. We're good. I heard somebody, a friend contact me said she was listening on Audible. Who's listen to podcast on Audible . Really? I guess, I guess one Audible. Yep.. Ok. Check us out. Pete. Pete. Uh, you know, we, we've almost at a hundred pod. I mean, you know, so, uh, we've been doing this for a while pretty consistently, so we we're excited about it. So we're gonna big, big, uh, hundred pod extravaganza., definitely. That's awesome. Nah, man. So thank you. You've been part of, you know, several of these, so I appreciate you and, uh, hopefully here's to another a hundred, hundreds of another thousand. We're gonna keep this going as long as there's Disney material. As long as yes. Superhero material gonna be, we'll be here. We might be 80 years old. We have to pass it on to our kids. Yeah, but guess what, , Cause guess what? They will be doing these movies. See the track. Yeah. Yeah, it cut me off. They tried to cut me off. We'll be doing these movies the long after we're dead, so, yes. Oh, , that's an amazing concept and I love it. All right. Um, well, cool. I think that does it for us. Uh, Theo, uh, thanks for hopping in joining on this one on a Monday notice outside of your normal schedule, Pete, Definitely thank you as well. You know, SDO said, you know where to find us, you know where to catch us, check out the podcast, uh, give us a comment, give us a light. Don't forget it's not just us showing up on Instagram. It's also the bigger, more in depth podcast. So you're gonna get the small news ones and you're gonna get the more in-depth ones and once in a while, special holiday or seasonal episodes like this. Thanks for joining in to, uh, Show versus Business Monday Night, Halloween Spectacular, whatever you wanna call it. Thank you all. Peace. Peace.