The guys, @mrbenja and @therealtheoharvey, discuss the latest news. TikTok in trouble, Apple wants to spend $1B on theaters, The latest with Jonathan Majors, BET is up for sale and DC is makeing moves.
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Mr. Benja: This is show versus business, your weekly take on pop culture from two different perspectives. I am Mr. Benja and I got Theo on the line with me. We're coming with all the relevant info to get your week started and we got five news stories that we're gonna jump into to blow your mind. Apples planning on spending a billion dollars per year this year on theatrical releases.
What? Jonathan Major's having some M C U issues. The TikTok CEO is in Congress getting railed by all the politicians. See what's up with that? B e t is up for sale and DC apparently is still doing stuff. We're gonna talk about all that,
Theo: right Theo? I love it. I love it. I love it, man. So this is gonna be a good one.
I'm good one. So how was your week, man? What you know, what? Have you been up?
Mr. Benja: Oh man. As I said, I was, you know, I'm, I'm still on my health thing, you know, ever since the pandemic started, I didn't want to get like the pandemic pound. So I started working out and trying to keep in better shape. I was doing some jump rope and like my calf started hurting and I don't know, put me in a angry mood, but but I'm good now.
I'm good. Good. I'm glad
Theo: you're back. I'm glad you're back, man. Yeah, same here, man. Yeah, I'm on this health. You know trip as well, more focused on drinking as much. And so usually every year I try to go another month. And so now I'm all the way up until May. So I got one more month. So I actually just recently got back from New Orleans and I put a, a story where I was at the bourbon bar right there on bourbon Street and had all those bourbons.
I love bourbon. And I was just like, oh my God, this is, this is awesome. And then, then I got my little high zero zero and started drinking that. So it was pretty sad, but hey, it was all good. I made it work. I made it work. So being in New Orleans and not drinking is like, you know, being Eskimo, you know, trying to get ice in Saudi Arabia, I guess it's, it's, it's just not going to happen.
So anyway, it was one of those interesting things that you know, I kinda experienced this week, but it was all good, man. It's been helping me be more productive and energetic about, you know, I'm not as tired as much, so that's been good. So I'm excited about that.
Mr. Benja: Well, speaking of productive, I like what you've been doing on social media, Mr.
The Rio, Theo Harvey. I like it.
Theo: Oh man. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. I'm, I'm just following your lead man. Just following your lead. I know you kind of broke ground what, a couple years ago and did some, you know, blew up some stuff on Instagram and TikTok and so this, you know, I think we talked about one of our podcasts about just influencer market and gurus and what they're doing and it just blew my mind.
It's like, you know what, why not? You gotta start somewhere. And so so got some new content coming out. Got new, some new view, you know, new looks of what I'm doing. I did actually for the first time hire a videographer for a day just to follow me around Gary. Ow. Yeah. What, what was the guy's name?
Jay Rock. Is that the guy he
Mr. Benja: uses all the time or he used to use Something. D right? Yeah. D Rock or whatever. D Rock.
Theo: There it goes. Yeah. We'll just follow him around everywhere. And so it was funny, I had the guy follow me and it was, it was funny. People didn't say anything at first, and then all of a sudden it's, oh, oh yeah, there is a guy here, video.
Now I'm nervous. I don't know what to say. Yeah, went to a we're doing some work with a hospital and so, you know, we'll take some film outside and all that, and then here comes. Deputy you know, so-and-so coming up to us. Oh, excuse me, sir. Excuse me, sir. Did you get approval to record? I was no.
Am I supposed to? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I didn't know. And so we walked in and luckily the, the person I was there to meet was right there. She said, oh, yeah, it's okay. It's fine. So, but man, you know, it's funny women, man, they love taking, they, I mean, they're ready, man. She was like, a lot of 'em were like, Hey, yeah, let's take a picture.
Yeah, yeah, let's do it. Let's see. Know, pop boom. Yes. My side, this is my thing. I got pictures I put on my story. So, you know, it is a lot of you know nurses and, you know Doctors that we work with in this project. And you know, my healthcare company. And I tell you, man, they yeah, they were ready.
So it's like men, you know, I, I, I don't really, you know, I'm just like, Hey, I'm just doing the content. I don't really care, you know, just, just get it out there. Right this point. I don't wanna look at it, but they're like, oh, let me look at that angle. Let me look at this. Okay, well, let me do it this angle. Oh, okay guys, this is, this is a big deal.
This is a big
Mr. Benja: thing. Yeah. We're gonna, we're gonna talk about TikTok a little later, but what's funny, you reminded me of there's this little coffee shop I go to, right? And I went there and the usual lady's not there. Her name is Kat. And I'm like, oh, cat's not here. And there was this little girl, I'm not sure if she had hit 21 yet, but she was young, right?
Late teen, I guess. And she was like, no, Kat's not here. You can just call me Kat Junior. And she did this little pose and a little dance, and I'm like, Oh, you know, I didn't believe you at first, but you did the poses in the dance and it works now. You know, and I, I said something about social media, I forgot what I said.
And she's like, oh, I got all my poses ready. I can do this, I can do the sad. And it was like, I, I kind of imagined her in cosplay while she's doing this just because of her, her emotions, her, you know, she had the hands up little sad face. Hmm. All that. And I. Yo, this is a whole different era,
Theo: man. It's a whole skillset, man.
Some people just na, they, they know just be camera ready, always. You never know. Yeah. Whereas, you know, some of us are a little, little, little slow to the uptick, but yeah. And then like the guy so the you know, shout out to Chris out of Louisiana, man. He's a, he's a filmographer and a actor, and so it's just kinda interesting, you know, I was getting, you know, his perspective as a younger guy on both sides of things.
And it's amazing to me, you know, he knew his stuff from a videography standpoint, but he was talking about story. So I was like, man, this, this next generation man, they gonna really understand you know, how to film things, you know, how to create stories, especially in this new language and medium of video.
So so it's definitely gonna be an interesting time. I mean, I think they said, we, we talked about this one, a podcast, right? I think the majority of young folks, gen Z and younger they're saying, Hey, they wanna be influencer, right? So there you go. Yep.
Mr. Benja: And I think that is a good segue and I reordered the stories a little bit to start with our TikTok story.
Let's get in there with story number one. What you got,
Theo: man. TikTok, c e o showed up in Congress, man, and didn't go well, man. Didn't go well.
So Chuchu the CEO. TikTok showed up. You know, I think all the tech CEOs is just the right of passage now that you show up and get, get questioned by Congress, right? So he shows up and then obviously, you know, he is, got some prepared statements and saying, Hey, you know, TikTok is independent.
You know, we're, you know, a good for, for the. For the countries. So basically why he showed up is there's been growing concern about's influence in the younger generation, specifically because TikTok is, you know, run by the Chinese government, right? And yes. And so that is, you know, national security and a lot of other issues.
And it's a known fact. I mean, there's been studies and everything about, you know how they block certain things from their, you know, version of TikTok in China. But on ours, they just let it go. There's been studies that shows, like the content they showed, the algorithm shows us, kind of shows us more content related to, you know, things that are not positive and more little dumbing, dumbing down of our, our, our teenagers and things
Mr. Benja: like that.
It's, it's a completely separate app. It's not like, you know, TikTok in, like, in the little Chinese letters in the corner. It's a different app, but it's like TikTok. It's. When they say their version of it, it's not like they have McDonald's over there. It's some other restaurant that serves burgers, fries, and all that.
Same thing with TikTok. It's not like TikTok of China. It's, I forgot what the name of the app is, but it's a whole different app and yeah, they show educational videos and it's much more positive and uplifting
Theo: it seems. Yeah. So in the Wall Street Journal I talked about his visit they talked about, he mentioned that that 6% of bite dance, which owns TikTok, is owned by global investors.
So that's it. 20% by employees, 20% by its founders. You know, they're trying to counter with major outreach efforts in Washington, increased lobbying, public relations. I think he had a couple of TikTok influencers. One was a, I think a math teacher that showed up with him to kind of show the positives of TikTok.
But and I think he also kind of pointed the fingers, say, Hey, don't just look at us, look at, you know, all the. You know, like Facebook, Instagram, I mean, it's, it's, it's a net negative, not just TikTok, right? When you look at social media. So why are you, you know, targeting us? But you know what, it's, it's this, the first time, I don't know, I've seen in a long time where there's bipartisan support, right?
Both republicans and Democrats have, are on online. It was amazing. You see, you know, Democrats who probably, and Republicans who yell at each other, they're actually in agreement of a lot of this stuff. And so I do see there would be some regulation. Now from a business standpoint, what does that mean?
You know, if we do create a ban you know, what would happen across the world? Right now China already bans a lot of our apps anyway. You know, India's already bann TikTok, so it's not like it's China's really going to, you know, mess us up too much. Yeah, maybe Elon Musk might get a little upset. They kick Tesla out, right?
With his numbers. But, I think, you know, it could, it says a precedent, you know, where it's like, okay, well us, you gonna ban our, our, our growing app, then we'll ban your app, right? And we'll create, you know, a knockoff, right. And, and compete against you. So anyway, so it's kind of interesting and legally can they do that, right?
So it's this entity, you know, can you just create a ban on it? I guess it could, if it's under what's it called? National Security and say, Hey, this is, you know, unduly influencing our youth and it's being run by the Chinese government. This is a national security risk. You know, just ban it. Yeah. You
Mr. Benja: know, I I'm not, I'm not sure how, how you feel on this, but a lot of people are saying that, well, it's the same thing as what, you know, Facebook and Google are doing.
And, you know, I always come back with two separate arguments. Like one, those are in, those are US companies you're talking about. So them doing nefarious things with our data is far more. Contained and controlled, I suppose then it would be, can I, can I put a counter to your counter? Well, okay. Of I hadn't, yeah, before I go onto my second point, go ahead and counter that.
Jump in.
Theo: Yes, but Facebook was co-opted by a foreign entity to Influ unduly influence our elections. Right. So, you know, yes, as American grown and, but it was still co-opted and used
Mr. Benja: against us. The cam, the Cambridge analytical thing. If you want to go, go looking into that, that's definitely, that's definitely true.
Definitely a problem. But if it was, you know, Russian influence into, you know, a Chinese own company that's a little scarier to me. There's just, there is that big difference there. So no telling what would've happened if you know, TikTok and China, and we don't, we don't know what's gonna happen coming this next election.
I'm sure we'll see. Sure things will be uncovered, but it's hard to uncover this stuff because it's in China, so we can't just go ask them for all. It's like, Hey, what are you doing with this data? It's like, Facebook will give up the goods. China not so much. Mm-hmm. And the second point is that, crap, I forgot my second point.
See
Theo: the counter to the counter messed you up. Count 'em again.
That's how you win arguments, ladies and gentlemen.
Mr. Benja: Yeah. Actually it is. No, but you know, if it's, it's owned by the, it's owned by an American company and oh, also, it's not technically doing the same thing. Like people just say, you know, Hey, it's doing the same thing. It's recording data. The amount of data, the way it stores data, the amount, their terms of service and all of the things that it allows, it opens the door for far more.
Problems than Facebook and these other social media apps do. So uhto comp, and there's a reason why the US government has banned from, you know, the politicians' phones and the, any state workers' phones that use for state business is because it, it can do all this other stuff that these other apps don't do.
So there is that bit, they're not, you know, these are not exactly the same. So you can go look into that too.
Theo: Yeah. Yeah. I think it was like, Keystroke, you know, hacking, there's ways they can figure out what you're typing in, things like that, which mm-hmm. Which, you're right, a lot of these apps, other apps can't do.
And so yeah. And, you know, especially it was ruined by a, a foreign entity, especially one that's, you know, not super friendly with us. Right. So definitely that, that, that does pose a risk too likely. So I would say this, I mean, could is there be a band? I mean, I don't know, but I do feel like there, you know, there could be a way where they figure out how to you know, get to spin off.
Now I don't know how they're gonna do that either cuz this is a Chinese run company and the Chinese have already shot back and said, you know, we're not, we're not going to spin off you know, TikTok. Right. So, yeah. So it's going, it is, it is gonna be interesting how this gonna work. It may be some kind of band but.
I don't know. What's the rest of these teenagers? What they gonna do now? The TikTok is gone. The algorithm feed.
Mr. Benja: Boy. All, all 100. How many, how many guys are in the us? 150
Theo: million. Something like that. Something like, yeah. Sounds about right, man. Yes. Yeah, we'll see what happens with that. Yeah. Are you gonna be one of those screaming storming?
It's gonna be another January 6th. Storming the Capitol for, oh,
Mr. Benja: not all. I already, I already, I already deleted my TikTok. I'm done with that. Did that last year. I went, I went, I went Semial and was like, I'm cool with this and was done.
Theo: Mr. Bitch was done one and done, son. I retired, undefeated. Alright. All right, man.
What's up? What's next
Mr. Benja: on to story number two? Apple plans to spend 1 billion per year on movies. Meaning theatrical movies, meaning big productions, not on streaming. So why is Apple TV doing this? Hmm. Whole story there. Well, What are your thoughts on this deal? Yeah,
Theo: yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I, I know why Apple's doing it and I think I know why Amazon is doing it as well.
Netflix, which is another streamer not so much, and I can kind of give you a sense of what's happening. So Apple's plan to kind of vest so much in movies. I mean, let's think about it. Apple's all about the stars, man. You know, remember if they had this big presentation where they had Oprah there and all these, you know, big stars, they're all gonna do TV shows and movies and specials with Apple.
Apple was trying to get those big stars to come in and, you know, TV ain't hacking it no more, man. A lot of these shows I can't count. The number of Apple TV shows I watch, I'm, I'm aware of 'em a little bit cuz you, you have no choice. When you pop 'em up on your, your app, they're gonna show you, oh, Ted Lassos back.
Right? But I, I, I don't know, we, we'll talk about LA I know you love, you're a big a lover of sea, the Jason Ma dystopian future drama. But you know, I, there's just so much. And so now, you know, these stars are like, man, I mean, streaming is great. It was a great way to light. But they wanna be stars, man.
They want to be on big billboards. They want to be Times Square. They want to sell something. And the way you do that is still movies, man. I mean, you get the biggest bump. You know, for the chunk. I mean, let's look what's happened in the last couple of weeks. I mean we've had John Wick that did well, we're gonna have another we got Dungeons and Dragons out this week and when we're recording this, that's doing well.
Tracking is well on that. We're gonna have you know, Mario Card even Mario Brothers, even though that's you know, animated, but you know what I'm saying, it's gonna, these movies, I feel like they're coming back a little bit. Right. And, and, and what they're seeing is too, the data's showing. You have a big up.
An awareness of that property. So even if people don't go, at least the it is, it is a, it is enough marketing there to kind of get people to wanna buy it on the second window, which is maybe v o d video on demand or when it pops up on streaming to watch it. And so, so it is almost like a way to kind of get two bites of the apple.
Number one, you get the, the money from the theatrical release and then you get a bigger awareness bump. So more people watch it when you get that second viewing as opposed to just dropping it on a random Thursday right at, at, at 3:01 AM So I think, you know, that's, that's kind of why they're go on this route.
And then also, I don't know if you saw recently the Oscars just changed the rules. They're talking or they're thinking about changing. You're going to have to have, if you wanna have a movie eligible for the Oscars, it has to do a theatrical release, I think longer. A month. So at least a month. So I think that just recently got announced like the other day.
So all that goes into that. So if you want the, the, the, the clout. The prestige and you may want the money, you might have to go theatrical. So you
Mr. Benja: think Apple got a taste of that with what was that Coda?
Theo: Yeah, well, you know, they won. I mean, Koda never got released. Did they get released? I can't recall.
Did it be like a one day thing? I don't think they did with that one, but why not? You know, I mean, they got, and that, and again, it's about the start, you know, Apple's about that, that brand name, and so it goes back to Amazon. They just purchased a studio, mgm, so it makes sense, right? Let's, let's keep that theatrical run so.
H b o with David Zoff over there now who kind of mentioned this, Hey, theaters is back baby. We're going all in on theaters versus the other. C e o Kyler, Mr. Juicy. If you guys listen to our podcast you know, who went all in on streaming David Zoff, the current c e o of h hbo, O he's just saying, Hey Thea, theatrical runs are powerful.
And so so I think everybody's kind of seeing that now and they wanna kinda leverage that. Netflix, not so much. I think Netflix, you know, they still believe in their algorithm for what I'm reading. They still believe that they can they have more content than everybody. They can still run that. So but if they want to still get that clout, cuz they never want to ask Oscar even they put so much money basically.
Wheelbarrows of money and just threw it at all. These directors, you know, Martin Scorsese you know Neil Blonde block, all these big time directors and they have their zils for zilch, right? Getting any type of Oscar. So now they're kind of maybe going back to maybe, hey, we're just a general purpose entertainment site.
You know, come watch, you know, some of your reality tv, some you know, we, they got F1 streaming, they got some sports stuff they're trying to put out there. So I don't, I don't think they're going to go the theatrical route because to them it is more like, Hey, we're just gonna be a mass entertainment cable station that you just pay every month.
Don't, we're not gonna worry about those big, you know, movies and, you know, and I can't be, be honest with you. Can you remember the last movie on Netflix? Really big. I know TV shows have,
Mr. Benja: I remember, you know what? I always think about a continual stream of, Hey, this is gonna be a, a nice movie. You sit down, it's like it was okay.
And you just go about your business and it's nowhere near hitting on this, you know, Oscar level or Grant,
Theo: the movie, the TV show. I mean, look, they just, they just had Wednesday that, that hit, you know, stranger Things. Of course, you know squid games. I mean the, you, I don't know if you watch, you know, I have a wife, so she watches all those crazy serial killer type movies.
But yeah, those are TV shows. Those are TV shows. Any movie they released, like they just had this Ashton Kutcher and Reese Witherspoon. Like Romcom. Yeah. Nobody watched that mess. So,
Mr. Benja: yeah. So one thing that I know that they're, they're doing is they're making an ad play. You know, Apple's got this whole ad play that they got going on where.
You know, these, these shows and you see it in Ted Lasso, these things are big commercials and in a, when you, you know, looked at from a certain light where it's like, hey, where they don't just mention, you know, Hey go, go get your tablet or whatever. They'll say say, Hey, pull this up on your iPad real quick.
And they'll just throw it in there kind of calmly and you can tell that they've rewritten the script a couple times just to make it not seem so obnoxious. They're like, you know, dude, I lost my watch, you know, was it like this? No, no, it was an Apple watch. And it's like, oh, okay. And just little, little bits here and there that they keep on doing to kind of advertise Apple.
It's, I'm, I was about to say slick, but it's not really that slick, but it's something they're doing. And I wonder how much of a, cuz we talked about the ad version of a a, of a streaming network and that's what everybody else is doing. Then Apple's like, well forget, you know, forget doing an ad version. I don't even know if they have one.
But we're just gonna do ads in our own
Theo: products. Mm-hmm. What, what do they call ad insertion? Ad insertion or whatever you call it, you know, inside the actual content. I mean, Amazon is the same product way. Product placement. Product placement. Yeah. Amazon's the same way. Remember I sent you that article?
They finally got N F nfl. Right? They're gonna show NFL and one of the games they got was a black Friday N F L game. Yeah. Yeah. And that's amazing cuz if you know what Amazon is, you know, that's where you go to buy gifts and Christmas. So why you watching your N F L might as well buy mama That, that nice, that nice drill bit.
Right. You know, watching, you know, Patrick Mahomes, which is brilliant. So it's not like they're selling anything, but they're just, you know, pushing people usage. And that's why streaming to them, so like we always talked about Apple and Amazon, we always think they're just. You know, getting into entertainment is almost like a afterthought, right?
It's kind of like, Hey, you know, this would help sell more for lack of a better word, Coke. I don't know if you remember back in the day, Columbia Pictures was bought by Coke because they felt that they, you know, could sell more Coke if they had, you know, yeah. More product placement. So, you know, this is a long history of entertainment being bought by bread and butter companies, right.
The, the business part of the show so they can sell more of the actual products. So one, one last thing I wanna say about Apple. They had a TV show called the streaming show called the After Party. Did you check that out on Apple TV at all? Yeah. It started Tiffany Haddish and a bunch of, you know, kind of mid-level comedians you've seen all over the place.
And the thing was, you knew who the, the, the villain was right away, you know. Why's that? He, he's the only one that had a Google Android phone.
Mr. Benja: I love it.
Theo: So it's like they would never look it up that that's the rumor, but they would never get the villain, A Apple phone.
Mr. Benja: That is
Theo: funny. Other product placements. So anyway, go, go check it out. And if you know he's a bad person, if they don't, they're not using the Apple phone. That's the person you shouldn't trust.
So they know what they're doing. Man, man. Awesome. What's next, man on the docket, man. Let's get, let's keep this moving.
Mr. Benja: Keep it moving. All right, so next, on the docket, we have story number three. Jonathan Majors is in some he, he's in, he's in the cancellation waiting room, I'll call it that. He's so having M C U issues, m c u's been banking on this dude and he's gotten caught up in and.
Altercation allegation of sorts.
Theo: Yeah, man, this is very sensitive area. I mean, you know, it's definitely something. I mean this guy was on fire, man. He had I mean basically three movies back to back, right? Recently and then he is about to be on a TV show. So, and everything reli stuff related to Marvel.
I mean, you know, we've been hyped to see this guy you know, he was in Creed three, you know, with Michael B. Jordan, obviously he was in Quantum Mania and he's also being featured in, you know, ca they gotta actually. A whole movie coming based on his character, and that's named after him. And he's gonna show up in, in the TV show, the streaming show later this year.
Right. Lowkey too. Yeah. So I mean, he's just everywhere in the M C U, right? So billions of dollars is on his head right now. And you know what they say? I hit the, you know, he is a turn The devil comes for you when you're on top. Right. And so, you know, he got into a situation with his you know, allegedly with his, you know, his girlfriend, you know, whether she recanted or not, you know, there, there, you know, there's something that went down and, you know, something, you know, was not going on right there.
So, you know, it's just puts him in a, in a, you know, certain light now. Right. And so it's unfortunate, you know, as a black man is just, you know, dealing, you know, kind of seeing these stories kind of play out. It's just kind of you know, unfortunate cuz you know, you just wanna see someone do well, especially if someone is just so new.
On the path, you know, who just came from? Nothing really. I mean, to, to like top a lister in like less than a, a couple years. I mean, you know, we, I've seen him around. We all knew who he was, but just literally on the back of a standing on a table, on a TV show, he became a superstar, right? From Loki, right.
And be introduced as king. So now, you know, he's kind of hot water. So what does this mean for M C U? I mean, you know, I think they're doing the right thing. Kind of wait and see where this all pans out. You know, I don't think, you know the way it's going. I don't think he's gonna get removed or gonna just kind of let it die down.
Quiet down a little bit. I think the only thing that affected him right now was the he had a army commercial. I don't know if you saw that. It popped up on the, yeah. Watch a lot of college basketball. It's popped up on there, but they removed that quietly. So I think they're gonna let, kinda let play out and see what happens if, you know things are what they, they're saying hopefully, you know, he'll you know, Be, you know, forgiven and then, then they can kind of move forward.
But, you know, it's still kind of always gonna be in the back of people's mind a little bit. So, I don't know, man. What are your thoughts you think is, you know, obviously unfortunate situation, but how do you think this is gonna play out?
Mr. Benja: Well, you know, right now everybody's in the, it, it just in general, everybody's in a mode of right when news or information comes out, everybody forms their opinions.
In the first hour or two of hearing it, Twitter li lit up, TikTok lit up, everybody lit up and just started saying things. And it's amazing how different groups of people are reading things so differently. So, you know, you'll have, you know, Twitter has one vibe about it. So you search Jonathan Majors on Twitter, you'll definitely get a certain vibe about it.
You do the same thing on Facebook. You get a completely different vibe. You're like, oh, these two different stories, you know? So right now they sent out the, you know, the lawyer sent out the, you know, the reported text message and now even that's getting taken differently. Like people are like, oh my gosh, he just made it worse.
And other people are like, no, no, this is, this is completely absolving him. And it's like, dude, we're barely, we're barely getting any information on this. Haven't we learned anything from you know, Johnny Depp Amber heard that can happen. And on the other side, you know, people were screaming for years about Weinstein.
So it's not like, it's not like we know either way. It's just early and in, in today's current climate, it's, it's a problem for your brand, your personal brand, and the M C U brand if something like this is gonna happen. So I, I want to, I, I don't have any statements from Disney or Figi or anybody that says anything.
And as you said, they're just keeping quiet on it. Hope it works out for the better. You know, I definitely don't wanna see him go down for anything that's not, I mean, yeah. I don't wanna see him. I don't want him to be that guy. If he does, if he did anything, I,
Theo: yeah, yeah. You know, but at the same time, you know, if, you know, we just gotta be fair if, if he is that type of person, cuz you know, some allegations came out.
Mm-hmm. How was it Yale? I'm like, well, where was this before? It's like, you know, all of a sudden now people want to talk. Yeah. I mean, I guess, and to me that's always, you know, disingenuous. It's like, I guess, you know, you don't wanna say anything, you just be like, whatever. And don't even think about it until something like this happens.
But but that goes back to the bigger question, you know, should these stars be vetted more? I mean, you know, we just got through this, I mean, little bit different situation, but Ezra Miller, I mean, he was doing stuff that's been out of pocket for, for, for months and, and, and in light of the, the coming flash movie, right?
I mean, I mean, having a minor that's in his house, you know, doing, you know, putting up on drugs and stuff like that, that's crazy. And, you know, it's kinda like it was a big deal. Now it's like, oh, the Flash is gonna save the DC, DC studio, so let's just sweep it on the rug. Forget about it. Tom Cruise likes the flash, so it doesn't matter.
So it's like, I don't know, man. Then, you know I was listening to the Grace Randolph and, you know, behind the trailer, beyond the trailer, and she talked about litany of all these different actors that had these issues in the past, and we all kind of swept on the rug. So, you know yeah, it is what it is.
Mr. Benja: Mo most recently you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put some more Dana White Post out there and make sure, you know, everybody's reporting is fair and balanced. Right. Dana White, if you don't know UFC Head much more business important figure than Jonathan Majors, but, you know, they had him on video putting hands, you know, on people improperly, and everybody was just kinda like, sh mm-hmm.
So yeah, there's that too.
Theo: Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. So, you know, and he's popping up again, you know, with this whole, do you see these slap fights?
Mr. Benja: Oh, God, that's good. Yeah,
Theo: that's, yeah. We're moving on, man. We won't belabor this one, but yeah. So, yeah, man well, I can, I, I can get into it. How about this story number four, b e t up for sale, black Entertainment Television?
Yes, that's right. The, the, the, the, the, the studio that you and I grew up on, man, loving, you know, watching b e t uncut late at night is up for sale, Mr. Benja. So what, what does that mean? For b e t. So before we get into that, I guess. For those that don't know. So paramount Viacom, you know, they have all these conglomerates like Paramount Studios and they got Nickelodeon and you know, the Star Trek universe.
So yes, they're doing well, you know, with thanks to Tom, Tom Cruise. Right. But you know, they're still so small in the whole scheme of things and matter of fact, they just recently put together Showtime at part of the package for Paramount Plus, so they're gonna rename Showtime into something else now.
Right. But the thing is, and they gotta offer someone, say, Hey, we'll buy Showtime, take it off your books for $3 billion. Cuz they know Paramount so small it doesn't have the streaming, you know, numbers like a Disney plus or Netflix and, you know, it just doesn't have the, and, and it is o CBS is also under that umbrella for Paramount.
You know, they just don't have the, the dollars right to compete. We. Streaming is expensive. So, yeah. So I think the, the, the owner, Sherry, we Redstone, she said, no, we're gonna keep the showtime, but someone says, Hey, you know, we may be interested in letting loose b e t and they've had b e t forever. Mm.
Yeah. So Bob Johnson sauce can, so yeah. Well that's the thing. I think that's the question. You know, what and, you know, shout out to Mack Bellamy and you know, the puck news guys that he kind of, I thought was good. I mean, I was kind of in the back of my minds like, no one's really talking about the b e t story.
Right. You know, what's going on with them. And, and he really broke it down. He and Julia over at You know, puck News and it was just good to get, kind of, get their perspective on what's happening there. So it's up for sale. So they've got some good candidates, you know, people we've heard before Tyler Perry, Diddy, Byron Allen, for those who don't know Byron Allen, you know it's got money now because of, you know, the weather channel.
Some other things he's been doing, but he's a mo mogul. And of course some other private equity guys are looking to get into that. So what are your, what are your thoughts? You're right, they weren't doing anything with it, and I think, you know, if you get a good owner of this property they could really make this for the culture again.
Right. And I could see it, you know, doing something big you know, of the candidates, you know, or if you have some other general thoughts, who do you think would be best to own this property?
Mr. Benja: Well, you know, before we get into like who would own it the thing, the thing about it is little history here.
You know, back in the day there used to be basically, The two, the two major music and dance and arts programs. Programming would come from MTV and B E T. And the thing is, everybody who saw like, oh, the Wutang Clan, you know, where'd you hear about 'em? Mtv. Okay. You don't know anything about the Wutang clan because they've been on yo M T V raps, they've been on MTV Jam.
I mean they've been on all this other stuff on B E T Rap City. They've been on, you know, all kinds of little documentaries and just showing up on b e t. And b e t was basically bringing these people up and then all of a sudden they'd march off over to M T V. But b e t kept really plugging away at trying to make a better program, a better.
You know, network and they were really fighting it, right? So,
Theo: and let's not forget too, mtv, remember they didn't show black artists for the longest time. I think Michael Jackson was the
Mr. Benja: only one to show black
Theo: artists on mtv. And Michael Jackson was the first one and only one for a while. So I think b e t, you know, amongst everything, Bob Johnson created it to, you know, be a counterbalance to that.
You know? So, yeah,
Mr. Benja: that, and this is, and that's a classic, that's a classic fight and a classic struggle, right? Where it's like, yeah, we, we don't want to give you a platform and then you build up your own platform enough when, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, well now let's absorb your platform. Let's, let's, let's integrate.
And it's like, what? Tell you that what's going on? You know, the tale
Theo: is always time.
Mr. Benja: Yeah. So, so I mean, you look back at history and like, that happened. So now, you know, b e t is not a threat. Nothing's happening. I mean, Tyler Perry is not threatening anybody. Nobody is like, oh man, he's gonna get on TV and say something dangerous, you know?
Theo: Yeah. You know, and, and let's, let's, let's dig into that. And that's one of the reasons why I, I sent the email to Matt Bellamy. So he and his core, and, you know, they are you know, not black, let's be honest. And so they were just like, oh, man, praising Tyler Perry through the roof, which, you know, I get, he's a mogul.
He's billionaire. He's built something out of nothing. I, and I think that's the thing with black folks, you know, we respect that and nothing else, right? Mm-hmm. Now, the quality of what he creates, that's a whole nother conversation. And I think only to know too many people watched the Atlanta the last season, but they had a episode specifically talking to that where it's like that, that that challenge that we as a black Americans have for the pride we feel and what Tylee Perry has built.
But based on what you know, and you know, the quality of the content he does, especially, he's been in the content game for so long, why hasn't it elevated? I mean, why hasn't he tried to do something different? You know? Or at least with the, you know, I think. Yeah, let's just say that it doesn't seem like it's elevated.
Mm-hmm. Especially if you watch some of the b e t shows, like the Oval. Oh my God, that is so much trash. It's not even funny. Yeah. So anyway, I, I digress to say that, you know, they really said, Hey, we want, you know, he, he has the experience, you know, he's already doing a lot of content for bt he helped launch the BT Plus service, so yeah, it does seem like a natural fit.
So, you know, I don't know. What were your thoughts on that?
Mr. Benja: Yeah. Who could take it? You know, the names that are getting thrown around Diddy, I like that. Byron Allen. Sure. I like That's, that, that's fine. I don't think that the network has anybody really gunning for it though, because we're in this new age now, this new era where it's like, what.
What does your brand mean? What are you bringing to the table? And unless someone's planning on doing a major overhaul, a major push and, you know, force into something else. I mean, what are you, what are you trying to do? I don't, I don't, I don't, I just don't see it. Like what the, what the new brand proposition is.
Proposition is. So mm-hmm. Did he with Revolt tv? I guess so. He's got podcasts and stuff on there.
Theo: Works. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Does, does the Revolt invest in Black Effect the Charlamagne de God podcast network? Or is that separate?
Mr. Benja: I'm not sure. Yeah. Or they can get Kevin Hart and Jay-Z to team up and buy.
Theo: Yeah, that'd be good. That'd be, that'd be interesting. So you know, the article I sent you, they talked about this. So what's a comparable comp? I don't know if you saw. Country role. Right. Okay. You're a big, you know, anime guy and yeah. They, you know, done well for themselves, right? They were just a little niche, little, you know, content provider, but they had deep relationships on the Japanese animation houses.
And so, so they have a rabbit fan base. And so anytime they create like a, a movie event around like a two episode arc Yeah. And put down the movies, you know, they still make about 20 million on the show. They probably would've put on streaming. Yeah. And so it got bought out by what? I think HBO or who bought T Trunk Roll again?
Sony forgot. Sony. Yeah. So, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's killing the game because they have, they know their audience. So someone said BT could do something similar, right. You know, be the decentralized, you know, hub for everything. Relate to black, you know, get back. You. The videos. I mean, yes, it's a TikTok generation and all that, but you know, why couldn't you put movies together, create characters, create, you know I mean, you know, you saw Tyler Perry, you know, my kids are watching, you know, Nickelodeon, they got some, some TV shows about black, young black kids and like, why not put down b e t?
Right. You know, so just create a whole experience where you just, you know have immersed into the black you know, di diaspora, right? And being experienced from movies, tv, streaming podcasts. But you need someone that's passionate about it that and has experience. So so I see that, and it could work.
I mean, you know, stars, you know, they talked about stars. No one talks about stars, but what they've been doing with 50 cent in his brand on you know, power, that's huge. You know? And so, so more of that stuff I think is, is wise to kind of look at. So, so yeah, I hope someone comes in and does well with B E T and then think it's you know, about time we have someone to kind of shake it up and do something interesting there.
Mr. Benja: Yeah. You know, it's about time when we get a new, I was just looking up some things right here. It's about time when we get a new, I don't wanna say media platform, but when you start having these platforms morph into the next iteration or something current for this, or proper for this current generation.
And in my, in my searches, right, I was, you know, I'm, you know how I'm always checking out which service I'm gonna subscribe to, right? Yes. So I'm like, all right, you got bad batch and Mandalorian out right now. Maybe I should get back on Disney Plus after my hiatus, right? And I thought about b e t plus, but I didn't go with, didn't go with Disney either.
I ended up getting a subscription to the New York Times, and I looked at it. It has 3.8 million followers on Instagram. Wait, I correct that. That's just the cooking section of New York Times. The actual New York Times has 16.9 million followers. It has a huge number of digital subscribers and only about 7% of those subscribers are on paper.
Mm. So the other 93% are digital only. I started going into their ecosystem and like I'm playing the little crossword every day, and now I'm starting to see the same in the Yeah, yeah, that too. They have comment sections for each of their games and articles on every crossword they put out. So it's like this, it's, it's phenomenal what they're doing with their community.
And I'm like, you know what, once someone starts to crack this nut and can do this classic kind of storytelling and. Community building with the new tools. I don't know anybody out there who's doing it better than the New York Times right now, but
Theo: it's, that's it's kind man. You know, from a business standpoint, that's a great comp because they were old media.
They were dead, I mean, dead on the violence, be honest, right? Mm-hmm. They were looking, they were gonna be sofa scraps and they just revitalized, you know, the whole streaming market, just like Wall Street Journal years ago. They, they optimize on streaming, I mean on a paid advertise paid model to access the Wall Street Journal, and they've been mm-hmm.
You know, relevant ever since New York Times went that route. But to your point, they built even stronger community around the games, the cooking channels, and all these other stuff. So now people are kind of like, you know, drawn to it. And so guess who's on the board? I don't know if he still is, but on the board of the New York Times.
Mm. He was, I think prof g Scott Galloway. So I think he was inter instrumental in kind of guiding them toward this brand strategy of like, you know, being a hub for, you know, intellectuals, you know, kind of sense. So so yeah. So it looks like it's working for him. I agree. I mean, and that's a great comp.
B t could be the same, you know, beat this hub, you know, where people go to for everything. Relate to black, you know, you wanna know what's going, why couldn't, I mean, revolt tv, I mean, if we were smart man, you know, we, well the black gurus and everyone, this just, just, just this. We could make billions of dollars.
We just get Joe Biden, get Charla made, God get the all the new influencers out there on streaming you know earn your leisure, guys. Go get, you know, even Oprah, you know, some of the old generation. Mm-hmm. And just, just build it out, man. And just be like, boom. If you wanna, you know, where's your black card?
You wanna get into the black culture. That's it. And if we would did that, man, we would, we would control Hollywood. But you know, that's, they, they, they got too many folks working for 'em. I know. I sound like boys Watkins now, don't I? Uhoh. But it's just B one, B one You B one put B one in the chat. But but yeah man, I think.
That would be powerful man. If we can just own it and then be kinda like the gateway to everything related to black culture, why not?
Mr. Benja: I'm start calling you Theo bet Harvey.
It's not bet David. It's bet Harvey.
Theo: Oh man, man. I mean it is just makes sense man. You got the new gurus, the old gurus, the mid-tier gurus just let's just all come together man. There's enough money out there for everybody cuz they come to us in, I mean, you know, copyright our dancing on TikTok, you know, so, you know, put it on our b e t so they know this came from these core.
So if you see it on TikTok, you know we're going, coming after you. So anyway, it could be, it could be a vibe, but you know, It's, it is history that keeps us in doing that sometimes.
Mr. Benja: Yeah. Yeah. All right. That's that story. You want hit that last one?
Theo: Sure. Man. Story number five. DC still doing stuff.
Mr. Benja, what is going on in DC world? Man? There's a couple of things that we want to kind of cover here. Man, this, let's, so this is the stories inside the story, but yeah. Which one do you wanna cover first? Maybe James Gun. I don't know.
Mr. Benja: You know, people wrote DC off and then they had that trailer for the flash that we talked about in our last one, but they're still doing stuff and, you know, this is, this is good for the fans to hear but let's just go through some of the things really quickly.
They've got, we've got James Gun writing and directing the new Superman Superman Legacy, I think the name of it. Getting floated around.
Theo: Yeah, well, it's kind of funny. He was like, we're searching for a director. Oh, found him. It's me. So he pulled, he, he pulled a Dick Channey. So he basically for those that don't know, Dick Channey was helping the president, you know, select the vice president.
And he just said, oh, guess what? It's really gonna be me. So he became the Vice president of the United States from the selection committee. So James Gunn was gonna direct a new Superman, but I think it's not coming out until 2025. So we got a long time to hype people up for this movie and you know, we'll see.
You know, Shaza didn't do as well. So I think people are still trying to get hyped up for Aqua Well, A Flash, that's the next one. And then Aqua. So those are the last of the legacy ones. And then they're gonna probably have some TV shows in there to kind of, you know, get you hyped up. But we'll see James Gunn got, you know, you know, basically this is, you know, this could be one and done, right?
If it's, if it's a crappy movie you know, I think it's rain on DC Studios will be, will be done. So, so we'll see. I mean, go ahead.
Mr. Benja: Did you see Shaza too? Furio Gods, you
Theo: know what, man, I was this close to go seeing, and of course the reviews came back and I just kind of said, I'm, I'm not gonna go. I just save my money for John Wick.
Mr. Benja: These, the reviews weren't, okay, lemme put it this way. The reviews don't track along with the box office numbers. I think the box office numbers were far lower than they should have been for those Rotten tomato scores. I think the word of mouth of, I'm not gonna go see it, got around and people just said, I'm not gonna go see it.
I don't, I don't hear that many people saying, oh, it was a bad movie, or You shouldn't have seen it. And the scores are like, no, it's pretty good. But it just got the vibe around that. Ah, I'm not gonna go see it.
Theo: Yeah, that's the vibe. That's why I'm hearing too, so I may go see it. Matter of fact, I might go see it today.
We'll see, I got the kids, so Yeah. I might go check it out, but I'm like one of those guys is like I mean, I think the reason why, because everybody knows it's a dead end, you know, it's kinda like, oh, this, I mean, I pretty much, and no, no cameos be damned or whatever, who's gonna show up in this? Yeah.
It's pretty much done. Right. So, wow. What a,
Mr. Benja: like a dead end. Dead end. Like you just can't have a story that. End the, the comic series. It's like not in the
Theo: super world, superhero world. And you know, there's some controversy, there's some controversy in the John Wick world. I don't know if you saw John Wick four, but there's some interesting things that happened there and people like, what, what's going on?
So, I mean, look, man, Marvel for good or they, they, they seriously have changed our viewing habits. I mean, we all wait till the end of every movie, especially if it's a, you know, high profile movie to see if it's gonna be a cut scene. Yeah. We, we expect there's gonna be a whole universe tied to this thing, right?
You know, the story after story. I mean, they've been doing it for years, but, you know you know who, who talked about this? You know, I'm digress, digressing here going on different track here, but scream, they talked about this, right? You got your reboots, your sequels, your remixes, your, your offshoots.
It's just like you can do all these different things. That's why they just call a universe now because it's just too many different things. And so so yeah, so I think we're at that world where like, if you don't have. It connected to something. People feel like you're wasting your time. I spent two hours of my time.
I could have watched 120 tos in that period time.
I got time for no movie. It ain't connected to something else. How
Mr. Benja: dare you? How am I gonna retwe this? This?
Theo: Yes, exactly. Ain't nobody watching this. Anyway, so that's what, that's the calculus man. Time is money, man. I get it now, man. We got short attention span you know, certain intention spans and we don't have you know, something that's interesting and unique and different or, or it's, it is a must have to go see then we ain't
Mr. Benja: watching it.
And it's interesting. Yeah. Like, you know, we're talking about, you know, the must-have and the different pieces connecting each other. It's all connected. You know, We're talking about DC as a whole, like DC doing stuff as opposed to DC having a universe and continuing a line. But you know, it's good to hear things like You know, Tom Cruise loves The Flash.
I didn't even hear about that one. What, what do he say?
Theo: That's pretty much it. He loves the Flash. Him and David Zoff you know, had a meeting. David Azla showed him the new Flash movie and mm-hmm. Tom Cruise loves it. I mean, that's pretty much all there is to it. It's like I mean, you know, sure man,
Mr. Benja: whatever, I guess, but does that mean a, a guaranteed number of Scientology tickets being sold?
I'm joking, but I'm not joking.
Theo: Clear Water's gonna be Clearwater. Florida's gonna be lit, lit. The running around
Mr. Benja: like crazy. They don't know what's going on. Just running.
Theo: I mean, I don't know, man. I, I'm, I mean, it did look hype. I'm, I'm, I'm you. Cautiously optimistic, but I mean, you know, so what, what happened to all the drama and all this other stuff and the rewrites and all that?
I mean, so it's, it's, I think there's a lot of goodwill going into it. And so, so it seems to me there's, like, we talked about this, right? There's the mm-hmm. The campaign before the movie and the actual movie, and if you run that campaign, like this new movie, Dungeons and Dragons, right? It's getting, you know, it was off the charts, you know, kind of showed the trailer looked fun.
They've been keeping that goodwill, right? Right. Unlike another movie that Chris Pine was in called sorry, Lil Darlings or something like that. It got bad press going to the movie, right? It's just like bad, bad, bad. So no one would go see it. So it's kind of like you gotta play those games both, you gotta play 'em both, right man, if you, if you can, but you can probably play that, that first game really well and you could probably do, okay.
So it sounds like the first game, the pre-release of the movie strategy, if you got positive energy going in, you can still win. The Flash had both, it had negative energy for a while and then it kind of flipped, I guess when the trailer came out. Yeah. And now it's just nothing but positive. So I guess the Tom Cruise conversation was trying to get another P and positive moat, so we're probably gonna have another one, you know, the Rock and Gen, you know, the Rocking Ezer Miller was seen drinking a beer or something, you know, so there's another plug that, that whole, that whole story behind the story right behind the movie is really what people are playing
Mr. Benja: now.
Yeah, definitely. Movies behind the movies got Clayface coming out too, or, this is an interesting one, I thought, because Clayface as a character, that's just one that we hadn't thought of in terms of cinema. So that's in automatically kind of an interesting story for Batman, but. This is the most random rumor of, you know, well, he may have had a script outlined and he may have told somebody in a cafe, and it may have been brought up in a meeting in the parking lot of some studio.
It's just like the most non-new that's getting so much traction, like Clayface is coming. I don't know. Do you even wanna see a clayface incarnation on, on live action?
Theo: I mean, you know
Mr. Benja: Sure, man, I kind of, I kind of do actually. I mean,
Theo: it, it would be cool. I mean, you know, he is basically a shapeshifter, right?
And so it's shape shifter. So sure. I mean, but he is not the most compelling Batman villain if they're gonna go down that route of Batman villains. I mean, there's way more compelling ones, right? I mean, they just did one The Joker, right? Which, yeah. You know, we just saw some first releases of of you know, Harley Quinn, Harley Quinn lady Gaga as Harley Harley Quinn.
So we'll see how that goes. But and that's a whole nother conversation. It's like, I noticed James Gun defined these Joker movies by Todd Phillips, as else worlds, you know, these, you know, imaginary fictions and you know, off, off, off the beaten path of the cannon. But Man, they're gonna have a Harley Quinn, so they're gonna have like, you know, their own Batman version.
And the Joker mean, I mean, what's
Mr. Benja: going to happen next? Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, they still, so they still haven't fixed that problem. I'm actually interested, I'm more interested to see what they do with the Clayface story than the actual Clayface story. Well, but
Theo: that, that was a good point. So what version of Batman's he gonna be in?
Is it gonna be in the Matt Reeves, Robert Patterson, Clayface? Is he gonna be in the, the top Phillips Joker version of the world? Or there's new one that are gonna release with the Batman and Robin The boat, was it the big and the Bold or whatever they're gonna release with that's a whole nother version of Batman's, three versions of Batman.
Not to mention in the Flash they're gonna introduce, they're gonna reintroduce two versions of the Batman we've seen. Right, right.
Mr. Benja: It's like, and there is word that this Clayface might not be a part of a sequel. It may just be a standalone movie. Kinda like the Joker. Right. So yeah. Interesting. Actually I actually like Clayface cuz he's actually, he's a, he's known to be an actor and if you're getting into the detective side of Batman, somebody who can shapeshift and switch around, it could be a, a crazy kind of who done it, you know, with the guy changing his face around how that works in live action.
I have thoughts about how it could be done. Without turning him into like the big hulking, nasty dripping clay face, you know, turning, turning, turning his fist into like balling chain and whatnot.
Theo: You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, you're right. It could be little classy little what's it called?
Crime noir kind of vibe to it. Yeah, I agree. And that's the thing about Batman. I mean, you know, even super, I mean spider-Man, but Batman's Rose Gallery really reflects his psyche, right? And so each villain is a representation of Batman, to your point. So the acting side of being a detective, right?
So or the, the, the, the Harvey Dick character, right? In two-face, you know, the, the justice and the, the villain. That's, that's how Batman, he rides both sides. So Batman is, you know, I'm sure people wrote the story about Batman, like how all his villains represent a psych psychosis, right? That Batman is suffering
Mr. Benja: from.
Yeah. I brought that up in a podcast a long time ago. Just reiterated right here. Every, including the city of Gotham, everything in Batman in his lore represents a version of Batman. The city represents his, you know, just his complete aura, his his feeling, his environment his style, this dark, brooding Yep.
Powerful thing. And every character represents a, an incomplete and therefore kind of flawed version of him. Not that he's a perfect guy. Mm-hmm. Like. What's his name? The penguin is what Batman would've been like if he would've failed at being good, you know? Mm-hmm. He, you know, well, this a rich playboy.
Theo: This a rich playboy,
Mr. Benja: right? Yeah. I mean, pots is just a rich guy, but you know, he's, he's a bit deformed and, you know, mentally, physically, socially spiritually, he's just kind of deformed and he can't really ever be a Batman, so he becomes what he is. You know, like Clayface, as you said, you know, the kind of changing your identity and having to act and play out different roles, you know.
You know, Bain, what if you didn't have the, the whole rich thing behind you, and you just came out and you were like, Hey, I could just, if we could run this thing living the
Theo: you, you were, we were into the dark boarding into the door. Yes. If he was born to the dark, we know Bain. That's how Batman would be.
Exactly.
Mr. Benja: So I started extrapolating that theory, and maybe I should write the whole thing out and go through every charact. Yeah, you should put it out there, man. I think it'd be good. That theory got extrapolated from, from from an interview I, I read a long time ago and I was like, holy crap. The origins of Batman really are about how they wrote all of these separate characters that related back to the Batman and, and Gotham City.
It was very, very, but that's why it works.
Theo: So that's why it works so well. I mean, you know, but all if you do it right, at least the, the arch villain, like, you know, Superman and lo like Luther, you know? Yeah. Superman's the ultimate alien, you know, trying to be a human. Lex Luther is the ultimate, you know, human trying to be alien, you know, so
Mr. Benja: it's like, okay, hold on.
You got Metropolis and Lex Luther named five more Superman villain.
Theo: Well, braniac, everybody knows that. Meli, so what's his name? Yeah. Yeah.
I just always laugh at that guy cuz he, every time he showed up, he, he, the way he had to say his name backwards, they would always do some shenanigans to try to get him to do that. Who write your name backwards and then, you know, oh, you got me again. Oh, so congrats. Spoiled again, heed again. What's the other guy?
Oh man, what's that guy that see you are right? I can't name him off the top of my head. I'm pretty good. But I know, I know his, I see his face. Well of course the, the one who broke his back? What's the, I mean the killed him? No,
Mr. Benja: not vain. I'm thinking Yes, dude. Do.
Theo: Doomsday. Yeah, doomsday. You gotta put doomsday in there.
Doo came along. Come on. Zd. Zd. Come on. That's classic. That's five. There you go. See ya. Did it.
Mr. Benja: I said five more, but we'll leave.
Theo: But like I said, they're doing their, they're doing their job right. You know, all villains. I mean all villains should be aspect of the personality. Yes. I mean, these Marvel does that too. Pretty well. You know, with especially, you know, spider-Man, you know, of all the different, you know, really all his villains are tied to some guilt, you know, he feels like the lizard, you know?
Yeah. Anyway, so we can get into this, you know, all day. Some of the
Mr. Benja: interesting, no, I mean the villain definitely should be a reflection point being that Batman did it very well, and that's part of the, You know, why, what makes him and his universe so compelling?
Theo: Oh, yeah. For over, what, 90 years now, so, yeah.
Amazing. All right. All right. Well, hey man, this has been awesome, man, Mr. Ben. We've went through all top five, man. So anything else, man? You got anything planned for this week?
Mr. Benja: Oh, man. Calf is feeling better, so I'm gonna get back in there. I'm still cranking away on the writing. I'm doing some illustrations in, in the, in my book itself.
So I decided to go a little, little tighter, a little more high quality with it. It's up to 70 pages now. It's great. I'll wrap this up in April. I know I said that in February, but screw you. I'm coming out in April.
Theo: Got on wax. You got on wax now, man. I love it. I love it. Man. That's awesome, man. Good, good man.
We'll just do it, man. You know, just get it out there. You know, I got my little ebook out there about seven pages, you know, getting it you know, put some ads out there. So I'm encouraged getting some, some, some pub out there. So you know, I definitely, but to your point, I want to get another one out and next, by the end of this year, hopefully sooner, so we can get, generate some more buzz.
But really going deep on my side, just on the marketing side, just you know, rereading a lot of Russell Brunson's books. It's funny, when you read these books, man, it's all the same man. You start, you start seeing the same similarities. Everybody starts saying the same thing over and over again.
He's like, okay, I guess these must be Thomas principles, cuz no one's saying anything different. I yeah, I was actually on another another guy, he, he actually got venture funding for his startup and he was talking about like bonuses and like, you know, creating an offer. You know, that's, that people that you know, like bonuses and pr creating free something I learned from Alex Homoe.
So to me, and then Alex Homo some of the stuff he's saying, I'm reading from Russell Brunson. So, yeah, so it's kinda like everybody just, and he, and you know, of course Russell Brunson, he got everything from everybody, right?
Mr. Benja: He just, yeah. You know, one one that actually caught me off guard. I was just I was going through Libby, I don't know if you know that app.
The library app. Okay. And you know, I was just, I downloaded random audiobooks from there so I don't have to buy them and return 'em and all that stuff. So I was getting random audiobooks and I was listening to one and this guy was like, you know, hey, if you're really trying to get your business to change and transform into the next level and do this thing, you need to blah, blah, blah.
And you need, you need to want. You know, once you want, then you B then you have do and then you have. And I was like, oh no. I was like, wait a minute. And it wasn't my, and I was like, that's what Myron Golden's always talking about. And then, you know, but it was like Zig Ziegler In the eighties. Yes, in the eighties.
And I was like, Zig Ziegler. He know, said everything Myron said, Martin Mary can go, go home for now. Just be quiet Myron. I'm gonna listen to Zig for a little bit. Shout out to Meron
Theo: Golden. Nah man. I mean, you know, it's, it's, it's funny. So these are just Thomas principles and so, you know, I think the reason why you read them is just to kind of reiterate stuff.
And so, okay, these must work. And then I think, you know, High level. I know we're getting into weeds here, but you know, this is the business aspect. You know, hopefully people are listening. You know, I think the key is you just gotta make those, those timeless principles your own and create your own framework.
And then based on that, then maybe you can, you know, communicate that framework to others to help them. So, cuz now every framework's gonna work for everybody. But you can kind of take a little pieces up here, little pieces of there. Lil Gary v, Lil Myron Gold, A lil Zig Ziegler. Yeah. Putting that
Mr. Benja: gum. That
Theo: gumbo, tufe.
And so
Mr. Benja: you have been to New Orleans,
Theo: you heard me before. Yeah. So a lot of that man, you heard. So anyway, but,
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