SvB: Daisy Ridley Is Back! Star Wars' Last Chance? Is Chat GPT BS?

The guys, @mrbenja and @the_real_theo_harvey, discuss the recent Star Wars announcements, is this the last chance for a GOOD Star Wars Movie? Plus the guys cover the latest update from internet gurus, the new WWE purchase and begin their weekly Chat GPT breakdowns

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Mr. Benja: This is show versus business, your weekly take on pop culture from two very different perspectives from Theo and Mr. Benja, both of us coming to you with all the relevant info to get your week started. This week, we'll be covering a social media and influencers. It's a whole new world. It's a whole new thing.

We got some great insights from Theo who just came back from a conference about it. And our, another story is chat, G P T Bs or is it real? What's going on with ai? What's happening there? We'll do a quick update. Also, we got three new Star Wars movies coming. What? So some information from the Star Wars celebration and another story.

Daisy Ridley is back. So we got a little bit of information on that one. That's kind of interesting. We'll get to you. And finally, the w e has been sold. Mitz McMahon is no longer the ruler there. That's some interesting money moves. All right, so that's what we got for this one. Theo. How you feeling? My man?

Theo: Man, I just escaped from LA man. Back to Florida. So on the way there, everything was fine. You know, one direct flight from Florida to LA for this influencer conference. On the way back, woke up early got a ping from Delta saying my flight was canceled. Literally the flight was about to take in three hours.

Okay? They said Your next flight is at night. It was a, it was gonna be a red eye. I said, oh, no. So I'm calling Delta and I'm, I got platinum status. I'm calling Delta. I'm like, man, look. I gotta get home. I got some stuff I gotta do, you know, I can't, you know, delay. He said, okay, we can put you on the flight.

You know, goes from L LAX to Atlanta and then to Tampa, which is where I'm at. And I said, okay, let's do that. So I was gonna leave at like 3 45 and I said, cool. So I went down to the conference, you know, caught up with some folks, you know, just, you know, chopped it up a little bit. Then I get another text.

Your flight has been, I said, what?

Mr. Benja: Wait,

Theo: wait again? Yes. Again, my flight was canceled and so now I'm scrambling like, what the heck? So I call Delta again. Oh, I'm sorry Mr. Harari. So look, we're going, we got, we got a two connecting flights. We're gonna try to do that. I said, okay, what, what's that? Gotta go from LAX to Austin, then to Atlanta, then to Tampa to get in at the nighttime that you won.

I said, okay, let's do it. So I'm over here. I'm like, oh, you know, pins and needles, are they gonna cancel again? Luckily they didn't. I got to Austin, but wouldn't you know it, I missed my connecting flight from Austin. So basically they said, okay, you, you know, luckily you, you, you can still be on the one, the next one to Atlanta.

I thought I was going to be in Austin, but luckily I was gonna be on the next one to Atlanta, but I probably was gonna miss my Tampa. And so basically I ended up finally getting to Tampa, like late at night. And they put me in a hotel and I had to leave in the morning. So the thing I was trying to make, I missed totally and make it worse.

I couldn't even get my baggage when I got to Atlanta to take with me to the hotel because there was no one to go get my baggage. It was just sitting in the holding pen. I said, look, I just need my, my, my PJs. Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna brush my teeth with, we can't even get your bags, sir. Cuz no one's here to get your bag.

It's just sitting there waiting to be on the next flight to Tampa in the morning. Yeah. So I was pissed. So basically I slept in Madras, had to get up early, you know, get to the airport, finally got home. And like, yeah, 10:00 AM but it was like a mess. So needless to say, Delta's been compensating me and will continue to compensate me because that was a mess.

That's right. So anyway, I didn't worse. Yeah, yeah. So it, it was a lot man, but but it made, it made it back safe, but yeah, no yeah, we could definitely get into more, but I just wonder. Yeah, my, it is one of those stories, I, yeah, that was one of the, you know, I fly all the time. That's probably one of the worst ones I ever had.

Usually I get direct flights and No problem. Or if it is a delayed, yeah. I've never seen that happen. I, maybe it's cuz all the weather we were having in the mid states, but yeah, man, flying fun times.

Mr. Benja: That's crazy, man. So now, now I, I'm, I'm kind of wondering here, you know, where I should jump into the first door. I'm, and I want to continue asking you questions about this, so let me, lemme just continue with this for a second. So this was a, an influencer conference, right? Or, I don't even know what you wanna call it.

Theo: It's, it's, it was, it was so like I mentioned to you before, in part Ryan Pineda is kind of you know, what do you call wealthy creators for business owners to how they can get more involved in social media and that's how he kind of grew his brand. So yeah, so I'm part of that kind of cohort.

And then part of that, you get an opportunity to go to these conferences. Now he's a real estate influencer. I'm not in real estate at all. Okay. So I was kind of an outlier this event, but I felt it was important just to go to kind of get a sense of like, you know, what's possible. You know, what are they doing, what are some of the insights?

And so so yeah, it was definitely important for me to go out there and just to kind of be hob na and see what they were talking about. Cuz I, I originally thought I was gonna be in Las. Then they pushed it back to, to LA for me. So I said, okay, I can go to la I can meet some customers and see what that's about.

So so that's what that was. It's called Wealth Con. I mean, shout out to Ryan Pineda. If you guys see this, I'll probably put it on my socials. But yeah, so, you know, I thought it was very insightful. So are we actually getting to the official story now, or you just want to know, you know, about high level, how I felt about the experience.

Before we get into my thoughts on influencers in.

Mr. Benja: I just wanted to know your, your, your thoughts. We we're only five minutes in. I just, so I'm just getting your thoughts

Theo: right now. Gotcha. Got you. Yeah, man, I mean, it was cool. I'd never been to a conference like that, you know, before. And then, you know, obviously there's a lot more real estate focused, and so there was insights into that.

But for the most part it was just kind of, Interesting to see. This game is deep, man. I mean, you know, so obviously we know the big influencers we know went over that pretty detailed. One of our pods, you know, the grant Cardones, the Gary Vs. But man, you got these pocket influences. I like, I was sitting next to someone, this guy came out if I was going crazy, it's Lee John.

I didn't, what was, I can't remember his name, man. Everybody was going crazy over this dude. I was like, who the hell is this? Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, I, I sat next to, did a guy next to me and and you know, watching from the, the sidelines, I said, I guess there's always another influencer, right. That you never even heard of that just pops out.

Yeah. And they said, oh yeah, he's big time in this space. I was like, wow. So, and it's amazing to me. I mean, you know, growing up we talked about this, you know, the the Tony Robbins, right? I think he was the big one. We were growing up. Mm-hmm. Was it miles Monroe, and, you know what was the other one?

But you know, it was, it was only a few right. That we knew about. Right. But the social media has turned, it's on his head. It's like there's. Sub influencers in each different category. Real estate, I mean, you got doctor influencers. That's the space I'm in a lot. Yeah, I'm sure you got game game video game influencers and they on Zoom man.

And they got and and they each got. I'm not talking about hundreds. They got thousands of followers. And like Ryan Pineda is one of 'em. I mean, you probably didn't, you know, not too many people I know of him if you're not in that space. But I mean, literally I was in the room, I was like, man, look at it's like about 1500 people in this room.

And if that he got that many people show up, imagine how many people will follow him, you know, in the millions. So it just goes to show you that man, this space is you know, social media has really changed the game when it comes to influencers and subgenres. I mean, you know, now that there's no gatekeepers like TV and all that, where you may saw Tony Robbins pop up, you know, there is no gatekeepers.

So as long as you can build your audience and you, and you have the proof to build it over time, man, people will put you on a platform quick. Because you, you, you have the audience. And so that, that, that was mind blowing to me. And so, yeah, so anyway, it was definitely a positive go and I got some insights from it in general from the conference.

Mr. Benja: Very cool, man. Glad, good time. I saw some of the, saw some of the pics you were posting on your stories and all that. So y'all need to check out the real Theo Harvey. Quit playing around. Go to this Instagram. Go to on

Theo: TikTok too, right? TikTok Instagram. Yeah. There you go. LinkedIn. Shoot. Oh, well, I'm, I'm, I'm everywhere, man.

I'm every aware. I want,

Mr. Benja: I want to hear you on a Snapchat with the DJ College, you know, out on a, on a SeaDoo scooter, water

Theo: scooter somewhere it's called. I'm the Presence baby.

Mr. Benja: Well, that's gonna take us into story number one. What's the deal with the influencers? What's the state of influencers today? It's a crazy world out there.

And the interesting story that got kicked this one off is from Forbes that bosses at work corporate bosses, are now training employees to be influencers after years of discouraging social media posts about work.

Theo: Wow. Yeah, I mean that, that kind of makes sense, man. I mean especially with the advent you know, I, the one social platform, I, you know, when I was working for corporate America for almost 20 years was LinkedIn, right?

And that was a way to kind of show your expertise. And I did a little bit of that. I don't know if you know, but before I did this podcast early, I was early in this game, man. I did a podcast on, on cloud computing with a buddy of mine with, at at and t and I think you helped me do my first design. I dunno if you remember that.

Yeah, yeah. I remember the

Mr. Benja: design. You never sent me a link to the podcast. I was like, ah,

Theo: it, you know, it was very dry. But me and my buddy we, man, we did it for like, I think, shit, I can't remember, it seemed like it was a year, but pretty consistent. You know, we would get some, some, some and man back then, you know, and if I had just continued man, I always think, man, you know, I was right there, man.

So it's one of those, you know, almost regrets there. So to children, if you always start something, just keep doing it right? You never know. But When I did it at the time, you know, we would you know, get inter people coming in and, you know, talking to us about different topics in the technology space.

Yeah, I had some big guys in the space that showed up because it was so new and I would put stuff on LinkedIn and so yeah, that was kind of like the first kind of, you know, A version of, you know, corporate America's, you know, kind of influencer market, right? And people write posts and people alike or share.

So yeah, it makes sense man. I mean, you know, especially for this new generation. Think about it. And you know, that's my learning from going to this conference, this Gen Z, generation Z, you know the millennials? Yeah. They grew up on this stuff, man. So if you don't have a pathway for them to kind of share and show that part of them at work, you are not gonna keep their attention.

Cuz this, this is all they. Right. They don't know the way we grew up, you know, sending emails, discrete emails, right. Or, you know, blank copying folks, right. Just to Yeah, yeah. Keep 'em informed, you know? No, they're like direct, Hey, this is why I hate, you know, Chipotle, the, the bread suck. The, the rice sucks and soggy and, and you like, what is this?

You know, don't you work here, basically. So these kids are, you know, out there. Matter of fact, I even saw like I think a Wall Street Journal article about that they, that they were hiring interns, you know gen Generation Z, gen Z influencers to kind of help smaller brands go around and, you know, to different stores and create TikTok videos.

And, you know, that was helping a lot of these brands kind of get some relevance in that market. So yeah, it kind of makes sense, man. I mean, you know, I know you've been out corporate America for a while, but what are your thoughts about that when you were in it, you know, like a, a 3M or some of those other, you know, companies you worked for?

Mr. Benja: Well, you know, it was funny the tail end of when I was in corporate America, and that was around two, 2014 2015, my last couple years doing that stuff. Everybody had social media accounts, but they always had a disclaimer like, Hey, you know, I work for such and such, but the thoughts and views are my own.

And they'd keep it kind of, kind of tame, you know, all the posts be kind of tame. And when it was about the, a company's product, like, Hey, we made this game. Check it out guys. You know, hope you have fun with it. I can't answer any deep questions about it, but, you know, tell me what you think and blah, blah, blah.

And it was, it was really, it was really plain. But and then on the other side, they may have like a secret account. You know, like they're, you know you have Mr. Benjamin and then you might have some other, you know, Benjamin hiding in the dark, you know, Twitter account that nobody knows

Theo: about Benjamin under the

Mr. Benja: covers.

Yeah, exactly. A

Theo: light flashlight. So you made,

Mr. Benja: well, look, can I turn the flashlight on my phone? See, see how this works? Turn off these lights, right.

Theo: See guys, we're having too much fun here. So

Mr. Benja: yeah, now that we're doing a fun YouTube, I got all these new, all right, we turn off. So, yeah. And then, you know, the secret accounts where you just kind of laid it all out there and you act actually talked about stuff. Mm-hmm. I guess people still do that, but, but yeah, that was just getting started back then.

And the, the, the thing is, companies would really like, HR would come by and like ask, Hey, you posted on a form, is this you? My name's Benjamin. That guy is Benja. Hey, hey. But,

Theo: but he's from Tallahassee. And he's a gamer. No, I don't know. He's trying to say, we all look alike. What, what are you trying to say?

Mr. Benja: What you, what are you getting at? So, yeah. It was a whole different thing. But now I think companies are, and this is totally anecdotal, I think companies are really realizing the no, it's not anecdotal. Cause I know, I know some of the guys that that work in these positions and they've told me.

Yeah. It's, it's, it's just very easy to get your game out there. Better traction, better recognition when it's like, Hey, my friend worked on this, or Hey, look at this. And, you know, all my, if all my friends started retweeting everything I said about the company I worked for, and it was in a positive light.

That's, that's excellent. And it makes you feel, makes the company feel more accessible. Like it's with real people. So yeah. And you know, One thing I haven't seen too much of them do is do a corporate video and then say, Hey, go follow this guy. You know, they don't, they won't go that far,

but

Theo: Yeah. Yeah.

That might be exposing some liability, right? Like you co-sign whatever that guy is saying, right. So it's, yeah, exactly. It's a little, little hesitant. But I mean, you know, Alex Homo, another business influencer that I started following this year, talked about that. It's like people don't wanna follow companies or brands.

They wanna follow people. And so, you know, if people like you, then, you know, whatever you like associates with that. We talk about this on our pod in a long time. That's what they, so yes, this is part of me. I talk about, you know, the real Theo Harvey, but also work at Centerman and also do this. And also do that.

Yeah. And so now people are associating, you know, me to these things because they just like me. You know? And so I think, you know, companies are realizing, there's what they call, it's, it's a technical term, but it's called the halo effect, right? Mm-hmm. It's like mm-hmm. If you people have a positive association with a person or thing, like whatever they do, what, you know, whether they're selling shoes or you know, selling real estate, You know, people are gonna gravitate, oh, he likes these type of shoes.

You know, this is what I, like, for instance, I had the opportunity to watch that. What's that? It was a movie called Air This Weekend. Okay. The Chi as a Chinese Grham Theater. Theater, right? Yeah. Amazon's movie. Yeah, Amazon's, yeah. They're actually released in the movie theater, which we talked about.

That's a new model. All these streamers are going to, let's release it in the movie theater. First. Yeah. So Air came out, talked about like the Nike's beginning relationship with Michael Jordan, and you know, it, it, they played the, I don't know if you remember that commercial back in the day. They really just kind of, Revealed the, the strategy for branding.

They said, like, Mike, if I could be like Mike, right? Mike, yeah. And so it's like, who cares about the shoes? I, I don't think you saw the shoes maybe once. And that was like, what, in the nineties, man, we should have knew. Yeah. That's how marketing was going. It was like they were telling you, you buy these shoes cuz you wanna be like Mike, it's not because you think they're cool or they're fashionable or, yeah, no.

Because if you put them on, you think you're gonna dunk like Michael Jordan and win NBA scoring championships and all that. Yeah, no, that's not the case. But that was, they were playing, they made it plain that the corporation is just there to kind of get influencers to influence you to buy what they're selling.

And so anyway, that's kind of where we are right now. And I think corporations realize that they have to get employees and they want employees to really communicate the value that they bring inside their corporations now. Yeah.

Mr. Benja: What I didn't. What I didn't I totally agree with that and, and I think it's really fascinating, but what I didn't foresee coming was the people not, I don't wanna say bowing down to the companies, but the people, the users, the influencers, the people taking all these videos, how attached they would become to these companies.

Like if, if McDonald's likes or Wendy's likes or Target likes one of your posts, which does happen quite often, they'll go in and like one of your posts and say, Hey, thanks for the shoutout or whatever, and they'll just do a quick little something like that. I didn't foresee people really taking that to heart and like, you know what?

I should clean up my content so Target likes me more, you know, and they'll be in Target, Hey guys, I'm out here in Target just catching my new deal of the week. You gotta check this stuff out. It's great. And it's like, why are you advertising for Target? I mean, this is the old school me thinking that. But the new school me is kind of like, yo, screw target.

I could be over at Smart and Final, you know,

Theo: keep that discount.

Mr. Benja: Yeah. Am over here. Spartan final. I got like 52 paper cups for 48 cents.

Theo: Shout Outan final. Hit me up. Get me up on the

Mr. Benja: Retweet Me dog. I'm all about you.

Theo: No, man, I get it, man. It's, it's, it's a new world, man. I mean, you know, I mean, I Disney pioneered this, right? They, they, they created this, this, you know, not just fans, but fanatics, right? And so, you know, people put, yeah, I mean, some be honest with you, the biggest content I put on my shorts right now is Disney content.

Anytime I go to Disney, I try to post something, man, you know, we get the views and so it. That. So the people wanna have, you know, content that attracts 'em to the, these big brands. And then if you are, I mean, there's a whole thing called a brand ambassador, right? You know, Peloton does it. Other kind of sports, fitness apparel companies do it.

So tons of companies that are, are really, you know, important in that. But you know, there's still some ROI issues where, you know, with brand ambassadors really gonna bring in the money for these corporations. But that, yeah. So let me just pivot real quick into, you know, what I kind of learned at the conference.

But, so the space I was in was more or less in the real estate market, right? So that's probably where all these gurus I didn't know about, like the Pace Mobley hit to, he does something. They had some guys from bigger pockets, which is a. Podcast and real estate. So, you know, there's tons of stuff in there and that's where this guy, Ryan Panetta came from.

But it was just interesting to kind of get a sense of like all the different influencers and how they maneuver at, I met this one guy, he's based outta St. Pete, actually, his name is Ryan McGann, took a picture with him and he's just breaking down the game on like how you get views. You know, he's, his focus is on like the short form videos getting, you know, 10 million viral videos via, via TikTok.

And he talks about, look, you know, the game is not so much you know, it is, you know, how many followers is how many views, because those views could eventually translate the followers. Yeah. So if you can just get as many followers you can, especially with, you know, viral pout platforms like TikTok, that's the game.

And he said the way you do that is not so much the, you know, your niche if you're doing real estate content or my case healthcare technology. Those topics are typically boring, right? People, you know? Yes. You know, yeah. You wanna have it cuz that's your expertise and you know, people care about that. But we said that should be 20% of your content.

He said. The other 20% would be some other thing that you're mastery on. So like he was a B M X bike rider back in the day I worked in corporate America and technology. So I can talk about that a little bit. But then you said the vast majority, 80% should be your hobbies because that's what's gonna attract people to it.

And that's why you see people on TikTok, short form Instagram reels, things like that, talking about watches, cars going to clubs cuz they just wanna get the views. And, and we talked about this gay v you know, has mentioned that you wanna just show your whole complete personality, which is why probably now I'm gonna start, you know, highlighting.

Show versus business. You know, that's a part of my personality. So anyway, that's the kind of things I learned. Just like, you know, how to kind of position yourself in a crowded, cuz it's all about attention and these guys have gotten in their market and they're looking to get even more attention. You'd be surprised, like the things that they're doing now, like the Gary like the Grand Cardones, you know, you know, reaching out to other influencers to connect, doing podcasts with other influencers, you know, trying to you know, get different audiences.

You saw the trouble that Grant Cardone got into trying to court black audiences, right? Yeah. So, so that's the kind of thing I think these, these these influencers are kind of looking at. Now they're trying to get to the next level, but the thing that's blowing my mind is how fast this all happened. Most of those guys in that room that were on stage, that making, you know, millions some cases, tens of millions of dollars.

Yeah, they probably were. Nobody's in 20. They were nobody in 2019, less than three, four years. They, yeah, yeah. Bald tie million, I mean, you know, tens of millionaires because of this thing. So that, that's what blew my mind and that's why I'm glad I'm on this space, you know, full-time. Because I think that's, this is what me, well, one last story.

I was walking the street down. Hollywood, right. Just, you know, hang, we were staying at the Lows theater not too far from, you know, the Hollywood Walk of flame fame. So I was gonna get some coffee. Granted this unassuming guy, we were just talking it up, he's from Mississippi. I said, yeah, I'm from Tampa.

You know, he said, he said, yeah, what? So what do you do? Oh yeah. Do some influence and you know, do some stuff here and like that. Just cool guy. He said, he said, I said, Hey, I'm gonna Starbucks. You wanna get some Starbucks? Nah, I'm just gonna go to McDonald's. I said, okay, no worries. So, you know, I said, Hey, well let's follow each other on, you know, Instagram instead of see what's going on.

Dude, this dude had like a million followers, man. He was just the most unassuming dude, man. He had all these courses. He was just this big name. I was like, what is going on, man? These people are celebrities in their own world, and you would never even know. You could walk 'em in the street and we'll,

Mr. Benja: How, how, how you went for the Starbucks and ain't go for the Mick Cafe dog.

Theo: Dude, I'm a Starbucks head man. I get up at four 30 every morning, go. The first thing I do, go get Starbucks. So that's just what I do. Yeah. Shout out Starbucks if you wanna, you know, use me as an influencer or brand ambassador. But yeah, man, it was the craziest thing, man. I mean, just the most unassuming, I mean, cool guy, but just, you know, you wouldn't think that, you know, and he built this brand over years.

You looked at his pod, his, his podcast and all this stuff. You know, he built it for like four years, but he's got a million followers on, you know, YouTube. So there it is. That's, that's what blew my mind. So, yeah. So yeah, this is why I'm all in on social media and I think this is the future. It's, it's gonna take a while, but I think it's one of those things, you invest in it and then, you know, you look back like five, 10 years and goes like, that's the best investment I ever did.

Cuz it probably pays dividends over year, over years, you know, of compound interest that you put into it. So, so I'm in it. So that's, that's my story, Mr. Bitcher, and I'm sticking to it.

Mr. Benja: All right. So things are moving

Theo: in there real, right? Definitely, definitely, brother. Definitely. All right,

Mr. Benja: well, story number two.

Theo: Yeah. Yeah, yeah man. So this is the one I wanted to kind of talk about, chat. G B T. Is it BS or just AI in general? So, Mr. Benja, there's so many ways we can kind of cover this. I guess I kind of wanna talk to you why I kind of thought about that title was that do you remember a guy named Adam? It was like Adam ruins everything.

He had like a show a couple years back. Oh yeah, remember him? And he he has his, his Adam Corn over, I think that's how pronounced it. And he has, you know, his own YouTube channel. Now. He's kinda like a standup comedian, but he kind of put the first you know, kind of, well one, one of the first ones now with all this hype around chat, G p T, it's gonna take over the world.

He kind of said, you know what, this is bs. So he's saying this is basically a marketing spin by technology companies once again to kinda, you know, draw attention and dollars to what they're building. And so he, and he gave an example of this with the with the self-driving car. Space. Right? Even now you're talking about the the blockchain and all the other, you know, NFTs and all that.

He just went all the way, you know, to something like, you know, that was supposed to be practical, you know, having self-driving cars and how that has never worked yet. And as a matter of fact, he say, you know, it, he don't even see that even coming in the future. And I would say, you know what? He might be right.

I mean, there's still some issues. I don't know if they, you know, have figured all those technical issues out and there's really not a lot of, you know, buzz around it anymore like it used to. But he does may have a, he may have a point that this is maybe in a long line of, you know, wool being pulled over our eyes about the power of technology and how can transform our lives and saying, chat, G B T, and, you know, a, these.

Generative AI systems that they're putting in our face are more the same. And he says, and a matter of fact, it's, they're, they're, they're doing even worse their service because now they're saying that these services are so powerful that, you know, we gotta get control of them, right? Or they can take over the world.

And he said that, that that marketing spin is probably what, making it seem even bigger than it should be. So I thought that was kind of interesting take, I mean, you know, now there's also, you know, there's a lot of other issues with AI around biases and stuff like that we could get into. But I definitely think that you know, there's, there's some there, there to it.

I don't know. What are your take on is ai, generative AI chat, G P T and Bard and all the stuff that they're coming out with, is this the real article from a technology standpoint, or do you feel like it's still, it's, it's still a lot of marketing fluff in there?

Mr. Benja: Well, as a you know, computer scientist from Florida and University and Michigan State University, well, As well as a accomplished designer from Rockstar Games 3D O and Sony Santa Monica.

I can say definitively that this AI is awesome, but that does not mean that it has all the proper uses in play yet. So there is a ton of spin that can be put on any, any of this stuff. So I wanna separate this from the marketing side of things and the technological side of things, and that neither of those has anything to do with the practical usage side of things, you know?

So like something like the printing press or the internet itself was kind of immediately usable, or somebody put something on a computer and then you got a phone call from your mom, like, Hey, I saw I saw your face in the computer. How'd that happen? You know, and it's like, it's instantly kind of usable, right?

Mm-hmm. Well, the technology. Is very fascinating and it's not BS we're dealing with these computers that can just go through, you know, just massive amounts of data that you can't comprehend and start figuring things out in ways that we couldn't comprehend. So the technology's exciting. Now, the marketing generally the marketing side doesn't understand the technology as much.

They're just like, oh my God, remember I saw that one movie where, you know, the, the metal robots put on the human skin and started killing everybody. What was it called? Nets in the sky. No, sky. No. Oh, right. Th those guys Terminator. You know, so that's one side of it. Both of those are true at the same time.

They're out-marketing it, and the technology is doing way more than we can comprehend now, as far as it being practically usable. That's when I, you start, you're, you're gonna have to rely on these companies to make. Very interesting, practical uses that make sense for you. Like, can I, can I ask my AI to run through, you know, a screenplay and see if there were any plot holes?

It's like, well, yeah, this guy called on the phone and we, we cut out the scene where the person picked up the phone, so we never knew the answer. It's like, oh crap, I forgot about that. You could have an AI do that. Mm-hmm. But you just need to have companies picking out these little avenues of, of things that work and what don't work and, and make apps for it.

So everything can be practical. If nothing's actually practical and it just sits inside a you know, a, a contained box, then that's when you get people saying, oh, it's just a glorified search engine. You know, it's just, which, which, if you run chat g p t off of off of Bing right now, that's kind of what it feels like.

It's like, oh, this is just a regular search engine, but it's more than that.

Theo: Okay. Yeah, I mean, you know, like I said, I, I'm, I'm, I'm of the notion that is a little bit more than that as well as a, as a, a engineering, electrical engineering background from Florida a and m and Georgia Tech. You know, I would say that from a technology standpoint, I do feel that it is something we haven't seen before.

And especially this whole process of like creating these neural pathways, these neural, you know neural kind of programming, you know, under kind of, they created the computers to kind of do what we do, right? Create these pathways, these unique pathways to kind of come up with these answers. And to your point, they don't know how it's going down the brain.

Just like when, you know, have kids as you see your kids grow up, there's certain neural pathways that are gonna get stronger than others. I don't know how that happens. It's a mixture of, you know, who they are. Biology, you know how I educate them, just like a computer. You just, you know, this, these, these generative ai, you don't know.

They don't, you don't, you just know they came with the right answer. But you know, one. You know, AI could come with the right answer, you know, in different pathways. I, I, I would

Mr. Benja: say the right answer. How about the answer? That satisfied your input.

Theo: Exactly. That's a good way to say it. Yeah. As a, as a computer scientist from Michigan State, and yes, you, you are correct.

That satisfies your answer. And past, you know, the human trainers, you know, definition. Yeah. So they ask you, is this a picture of a cat? And you send 'em a picture of a dog and it says no, then, you know, then it came to that right answer. Yeah. And then the you know, the, the, that's why it's called generative pre-trained transformer.

Yeah. So it's being pre-trained by these human trainers. So I would say that, you know, there, there's some interesting things we just don't know because, so it's like a black box almost. We just don't know Yeah. How it came up with that answer. So to your point where there's no things around it, you know, it could, you know, get out of, you know, get outta hand and then especially as it starts to get a little bit wiser, you know, or as it starts to get trained faster and mm-hmm.

And the more, more interesting thing you're saying, is it useful? I agree. The u the, the form it is now inside of Bing or. Inside of a open ai, you know, chat g p t little chat box is not as useful yet, but it's getting there with G P T four, you know, now you can, you know, provide imaging to it, you know, and can kind of create different things.

So if you give it a a pictures of a of different food items, you can come up with different recipes from those pictures. So there's, there's some usefulness there. But the power's gonna come in, I think, with the announcement a couple weeks ago of those plugins, right? So now the integration of into like, things like Instacart, right?

To be able to, you know, order groceries for folks, right? And things like that, that's gonna be powerful. So I think, you know, right now it has the brains and capability, but then it could get to the point where it could just do things for you. It'll have the arms, right, you know, to kind of order groceries, right?

If you give it access to your bank account, it could probably order groceries now that, when it get in my opinion, could get scary cuz now, you know, you saying, Hey, I need you to you know You know, get access to you know, go find, you know, where they bake you know, some raisin bread somewhere, right?

And so let's say if it's access to Uber delivery driver and it says Uber delivery driver, you know, get there as fast as you can. I'll pay you, you know, a hundred dollars and you say, I want you to do as fast as you can. And it says, I'm just giving a bad example here. Yeah. But I'm trying to figure out, like, I think if you kind of just give it an example where you say, Hey, I want you to do something.

I don't care how you do it, and you have AC and it has access to money, people and resources. That could be scary cuz then it could be like, I just need to do this as fast as I can. So what's the most optimal path? And it may mean. Having to hurt people, right? Let's say, or as an Uber driver gives 'em like a hundred dollars.

I want you to do this as fast as you can if you get here in the next five minutes. Well, if the Uber driver decides that I gotta go, you know, I've just gotta hurry and get this cuz this money is, I need to get it, it may end up hurting people in the process. So, so that's the issue of alignment that, you know, these computers gotta kind of think through.

They have to think through the researchers of how to figure this out to make sure these computers don't do anything that's adverse to their purposes or that that is in line with their purposes, but could harm us in, get into that purpose. And so I think that's the issue. Yeah,

Mr. Benja: definitely. You just made me think of, you know right now we do a lot of stuff very, very analog.

Like, you know I'll find, I, I was thinking about Craigslist at the moment where, you know, you could instantly get to, you know, the best price for something by going through Craigslist. You know, Amazon Whatnot you know, any of these other little apps and sites, and just quickly search through and find the best price.

And, you know, here's the price I'm willing to pay. And let's say your AI search is mixing up with some other AI guy searches. Like, Hey, what's the best price I can sell this for? And all of a sudden our, all of our economic models start to flatten out. And what's an interesting phenomenon is what happens when that whole process isn't fun anymore and it's just robotic.

Mm. You know, and then everything starts to become like a, oh, dude, I don't know. I just, just, whatever. I'm not even, I don't even like selling Apples, man. You know, screw this life. And you're like, Hey, you're the best Apple salesman in the neighborhood, man. What's going on? It's like, psh, whatever. I just put it in the computer and, and all of a sudden, you know, nobody comes to your hometown for the Apple Festival or whatever, because it, it's just long-term effects.

Where we are, we're commodifying and digitizing things that. We've traditionally enjoyed these interactions. We've had fun with, you know, like a mm-hmm. Like, you don't, we don't haggle anymore. For one small example, you know, that's, some people say that's better, but we're probably paying more for a lot of stuff than we really need to.

Theo: So, mm, good point. Wow. Yeah. You know, I never thought of it like that, but that, that was kinda like a discussion we had with NFTs, how could, could tokenize every kind of human interaction. Mm-hmm. But to your point, that's abstracting a lower level where we don't even deal with that anymore. We just leave it to the AI to deal with that and they gonna find the most efficient way to kind of barter and get the, the most optimal pricing.

Until your point, you know, no one shows, you know, it's like I get the best prices for apples. Why I gotta show up for the, the, the harvest apple, you know, festival every year for what? So, you know, but I do feel like human beings will still find a way to kind of get together, you know, some kind of way, if nothing else can sit around and commiserate that there's no more apples that they can sell at the Apple Harvest Festival.

Mr. Benja: I'm, I'm optimistic, I actually wanna let go a lot of, of, a lot of this stuff. But when people hear me talking, they're like, you know, where's your humanity? And I'm like, Look, man, let's just sit around and BS over whatever and let the AI figure all that stuff out. I don't care, you know, we're losing jobs.

It's like more time for us to

Theo: play. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a study that who, who did it? I forgot. Was it Goldman Sachs that said 300 300 billion in lost jobs or something to affect over the next, you know, five years. But, you know, One of the influencers I listened to, Mark Golden said that, you know, every problem creates another solution, right?

To another solu to another solutions. And so, you know, there'll be different jobs, you know, let's be honest, you know, there'll be a job for a prompt engineer, someone who can go in and talk to the, the, the chat g p t a little bit more effectively. So that didn't exist before, right? And so I think, you know, people have to embrace it and then pay.

I think was it, is it nine, nine keys? Is that the gentleman that's out there? Nine 19 keys. 19 keys. Thank you. See, that's another influencer, high level conversation. So yeah, he is he talks about, you know I forgot what his term was, but basically you're gonna be a superior human because you are assisted by ai, right?

And so combining human beings, and with the ai, you'll be just a better. Right. Than others who don't. And so, so I think that's kind of what everybody's kind of advocating. We, we use AI to become better as opposed to be, you know, slaves to it. But, you know, but you put in our, our show notes here, you said, Hey, you know, a lot of these tech bureaus are kind of saying, Hey, we need to put the, the breaks on this.

Right. You know, Elon Musk, Musk allegedly signed this and some other, you know, high in tech gurus and say, Hey, the, the advancements are getting too fast and we're not putting enough you know, breaks on this. Right. You know, and seeing where this could crash into is this sour grapes or you think they are, are legitimate in their concerns?

Lot of them had AI systems or war at one time invested in open ai who, you know, has capped out their returns at a hundred x. So maybe they're just all pissed now. They don't get any money. Yeah. So, l

Mr. Benja: legitimate, legitimate concerns you know, you've got like, you know, you're saying you know, what, if an AI could tell you the.

You can get the most bang for your buck by not posting on Twitter, but posting on Etsy. And everybody's like, Etsy, Etsy's a you, you can advertise on Etsy. I don't know if you can advertise on Etsy, but just throwing it out there it's like, yeah, man, just throw up your store. Oh, okay. Hey, you know, you can, you know, pay less for this if you just do Ali, you know, Ali, Alibaba, and you know, you get, get your whole drop shipping thing going on.

You don't have to say, really, you can do that. It's like, yes. And there's all these ways that you can circumvent a lot of big money. So I think that a lot of the pushback is economically, we don't know how to deal with all these you know, major systems just doing whatever the hell they want. Like in technology, we always assume there's a, I forgot the name for it.

We always assume there's a certain amount of lead time from the person who created it before, before the the first copycat comes along, right? Mm-hmm. So, If I can get AI to figure out how to copy that exactly, then that lead time effectively becomes zero on held back only by my server power and my marketing power.

And my com I should say server power, computing power and my marketing power, you know, and maybe Okay, financial power too, cuz I'm gonna be paying for ads and stuff. Mm-hmm. Whatever. Mm-hmm. Capital. But if, if if Microsoft comes out with a new product and I can copy that product within a day and be like, Hey everybody, install your own version of Microsoft's whatever, and just, just run this on your own computer.

I'm giving it away as freeware. And if that, if that time between release and copycat becomes close to zero, then you've effectively destroyed a lot of markets.

Theo: Yeah. I just, you know, will push back, I think. It would just be harder for this copycat unless it was a equally strong brand as Microsoft to kind of, you know, break through because Oh yeah, the trust factor.

That's what I said. The marketing. That's what I said. The marketing. Yeah. Well, well also the brand, the brand has strengthened it. So the trust factor is so high with Microsoft versus, you know, Joe Smo Soft, you know, she would be like, so I would say that, you know, I, I, I would agree that people come with copycats.

I think the bigger concern would be, you know you know, people like coming out all these little crappy, you know, all these different product designs pretty quickly, right? Product ideas, market ideas, like so much faster because Ja, you know, I saw I don't know if you follow that guy I sent you who talked about little chat G P T stuff what's his name?

That's gonna come to me later. But he had mentioned how chat G P T four can kind of Molik, he's a researcher. He talked about how chat G p t four can like, basically in five stages, create your marketing plan for new ideas, create pictures for what the actual product could look like with Diwali and all this stuff, right?

And like less than like, you know, couple of minutes. And so now you can come up all these ideas. Now I think that, that, now the powerful thing is if you're smart enough, you can figure out how to execute. Pretty quickly on some of these. Yes, you could create some, some quick products and, and solutions to the market, but I do feel like we'll be flooded with tons of different things.

You think it's bad now? Mm-hmm. We'll have tons of different products and solutions products to try to solve all these different problems that we, we supposed supposedly have. But it's gonna be interesting. I, I don't know if it's gonna be the the, the, the little guys get squeezed out or it's just gonna be our attention spans that could just be so wiped out because there's so much crap out there that to that can solve something, you know, where we had the capacity to figure, you know, figure out, go through all that mess, right?

And I think we're gonna look for shortcuts like a brand or trust, you know, people who've already got our attention, they're just gonna have more, more of our attention because we're gonna just be like, okay, I trust Microsoft. Yeah. It's just so much easier.

Mr. Benja: Well full disclaimer, I don't trust Microsoft, but on the side, on the sidebar here, I'm actually confession.

I'm actually running Microsoft Edge. Oh, because I wanted to get access to the new chat, G p t and Dolly connections through Microsoft. And those happen best through Edge, so. Okay. There you go. We were saying, I, I saying I don't trust them, but they're convenient, so I'm like, Hey, yeah, what about this?

Has VidCon ever been in Florida? You know, that's what I'm over here typing just really quickly so I don't have to search for it myself. I don't even care if it's the right answer or the, the proper answer, it's just, it just satisfies

Theo: my inputs. I love it. I love it, man. So, should we move on? We'll, we'll, hey, so this later one know, we'll cover chat g p t pretty continuously throughout.

I mean, this is such a groundbreaking technology. I'm using it my business. I think, you know, Mr. Bitch, you're kind of hinting that you're kind of playing around with it, but there's a lot of different avenues we can cover. So some more to come on that. Yeah.

Mr. Benja: Let us know let us know what you're up to, what you like about it, what you don't like about it, if it is BS or not.

Yeah, we want to have this conversation.

Theo: Absolutely.

Mr. Benja: All right. That one ran a little long, but we are now onto story number three. Speaking of three, there are three new Star Wars movies coming and that just got announced as the Star Wars celebration in Anaheim. It's in Anaheim, right? Yeah. Yeah. And nobody, there were rumblings about these three movies, but now they've definitely been announced.

Theo: no, you see, you see my expression too,

Mr. Benja: dude. I love Star Wars. But then they do stuff like this.

Theo: I feel like we're Charlie Brown and they're, they're Lucy with the football, you know, Disney. And they just always put this, Hey, here's a football. You guys can kick it. You gonna get your new Star Wars movie?

Look who signed up. We got these directors. The Game of Throne guys, Kevin Fige Patty Jenkins. Coming Tune coming soon, two more years. Your new Star Wars movie we are running. Oh yeah. Here's guys, we about to kick it. She pulls it away. Ah, in the mud. Yes, man. It's just like more the same. I mean, didn't they have all these announcements before, but all these different Star Wars, I mean Page's movie no longer Kevin Figi movie gone.

I think, is it Ta Taka, tti? Is that still happening? I don't even think that's happening anymore. But all these movies were said to be in production and it's like it's like they can't get a movie to start that, to save their lives. And it's crazy. And it's like now they announced these ones. I mean, yes, Amanda Laurian you know, that's a whole nother conversation.

The Mandalorian was a bright spot for Star Wars, but I think the ratings are down this year. I'm haven't been as excited to watch it, but that's a whole nother, you know, topic there. But so they're gonna try to create movies around this kind of universe. One of them, you know, we'll talk about the other ones later, but I don't know if Mr.

Benja, it does seem like is this, is this a last ditch effort for Star Wars or for something else has to change? I don't know. This is

Mr. Benja: weird. Yeah, it really is weird. And, you know, I don't, I don't want to come off as that, you know, Disney Star Wars hater, but you all should know As of this announcement, I am a Disney Star Wars hater.

I, I like the Mandalorian and everything, but they're doing what I didn't want them to do, which is turn into this whole series of commercials. So what we're hearing now is that stories from the Mandalorian and the upcoming, whatever upcoming series they've got going on, are all going to lead into these new Mando verse or Phily verse movies.

So the three movies that are coming out, they're, they're not a trilogy, by the way, so they'd be far too much for them to just take on. Mm-hmm. It's not a trilogy. One film is by Dave Phony and James Mangold, and this is from Yahoo Finance. And we know phys, the creative guy behind the Man, diverse wrote, directed Mandalorian book of Bobett and the upcoming Asoka.

But, you know, people really know him from his time on Rebels and doing the Star Wars and Clone Wars animated. So, There was a lot of material that they covered there, and it got to be so big and deep that people started calling it the PHY verse. And if you want to know his history, there are plenty of videos on YouTube about him.

But basically a lot of that story in lore has been working as far as fans go. It's like no one hates it. No one, like it's, it's not been a problem. Like mm-hmm. Like Ryan Johnson has been a problem. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Not saying that the movie was bad Last Jedi, but as a force, he's just been more of a problem than phy Felon.

Colony's been more well received, that's what I should say. So yeah, now they're just gonna go in that, that direction. But it's kind of pulling the Marvel thing where it's like, Hey, let's build these little commercials and it'll just be a lead into the next story, which is the lead into the next story.

And you never really have a concrete story. That's what I don't like, so. Mm-hmm. Yeah,

Theo: I think Marvel or M C U has shown the limits of that storytelling, right? And so I think any other type of franchise that's trying to create this, I mean, we see that John Wick, they're trying to create their own kind of John Wick universe, right?

I mean, you know, it's on one hand, you know, from a business standpoint, I get it, man. I get it, man. You have, you own the ip, you could just create infinite movies, you know, in this ip. It's, it's, it's simple cuz you know, but it's like Marvel has stretched that limit, right? You know, with all these different versions, you know, Marvel and ev everything's just always an act too.

I mean, that's just, we talked about this comic books. I like that. Right? You, you know, Spiderman, you know, his his uncle dies and then he becomes, you know, you know, with great power comes great responsibility, right? And then, And you're in act two forever. So he's always chasing the villain. Right? You're never gonna get the conclusion of that story.

And so they just created that in the in, in movies, which we all know movies are, are, you know, finite type of, you know, vehicle that's a, an art form that's finite. Right? You know, I think yeah, supposedly that's a good point. So it's like it, you know, as an artist, Mr. Bender, right? I mean the, the limit adhered to by the media that you choose to create your art, you know, makes the art right.

And so if you try to take it out of what was intended to do it, doesn't that cheapen it a little bit? I mean, so now we have movies that are kind of getting out their limit. They were supposed to be two hours. Beginning, middle and end and you're done. Right. You know, sometimes they have a sequels, but there's a complete story.

It's not setting up another story or, or commercials or this and that. Yeah. Right. And so it's like kind of, that's not what that art form was intended to do. And so now, you know, cuz then people feel cheated. Like, wait a minute, I spent all that money to go see this movie and it was just a commercial. Yeah.

So,

Mr. Benja: Yeah, totally. That's definitely a problem. And it may not be a, it may not technically be a problem if, if the audience all understands that and that's what they're all in for. But I think audiences want something a little more substantial from their movies where they can go into a movie and, you know, do the 1, 2, 3 Act thing where it's like, oh, I'm presented with the situation.

Oh, here's how the situation plays out. Oh, here's how it ends and here's my takeaway. That's a common way of storytelling and seeing that in the movie format in this nice, you know, hour and a half, two, two hour and a half bundle or whatever. That's how we liked our see our movies, or that's how we have in the past.

Now, if you think back to, you know what, what do you call it Dr. Strange and Multiverse of Madness. People went in that movie not thinking about Dr. Strange and not thinking about mm-hmm. What Dr. Strange's story was. All they were thinking about was, who's gonna show up from other multiverses? Who's gonna anti, like, wait a minute.

So the premise of the movie is about going to see characters that aren't supposed to be in this movie. And then when it ended and people were talking about, you know, Hey, what's next after this? They were like, Hey, did you see the in credit scene? There were two of 'em. Oh, did you see what's gonna, what they hinted at?

Oh yeah, they, there was a little hint of this and that, and Kang and Right. Wait, wait, what You're, you're not thinking about the movie in itself. You're thinking about the after credit scenes. You're thinking about the trailer before the movie. So I think they're shooting themselves in the foot a little bit and.

I hope that these stories can keep themselves better contained. And I think the way you can do that is by, if you look back at stories you've really liked in the past, it's like, Hey, what'd you like about this movie? Or what'd you like about this story? Oh, it was a story of this, this happened and this is how it ended.

It was great. Okay.

Theo: Yeah. Snow wars. Yeah.

Mr. Benja: Star Wars. Yeah. And it, it can connect to something else or not, but it still has that you, you point to it and you say, I like this movie cuz it did this, it did that. And that, when I look back at some of the other stories, some of the newer stories I've seen coming out I that are trying to this universe thing, I don't, I, it's not as easy to pinpoint like, Hey, what'd you like about this movie?

Yeah, well, you know, it talked about King and I'm like, no, I don't want to care about King. What happened in the multiverse of

Theo: Madness? I you, you're right. I couldn't tell you one thing that happened in that damn movie. It was one of those things where it's like, I think he died and he came back and, but what?

Yeah, you're right. It was like, it's almost like it's an afterthought, like, you know, yeah. Stuff, stuff happened, but, you know, and it's leading to more stuff. That's pretty much what it is. And when you can encapsulate like that, I mean, the actors acting their butt off. You know, they're trying to emote, they're trying to create a arc for their characters.

But man, it is rough going for those movies. But, yeah. But you know what, I, I, I wanna kind of just walk back. So, you know, we're still talking about Star Wars. I think, you know, Marvel, they sound the limits of it, but they shown the possibilities. And I think the reason why they, they made it work well is because even though, you know, there was no middle, beginning, and end during the first phase, one of, of the M C U, they did have an ending of sorts, right?

With Avengers Endgame, right? Mm-hmm. And so that was very satisfying, I think, you know, because they kind of, you know, built it up for over 10 years, all these different stories and stuff, like, it was a lot. We were getting like two, almost three movies a year, anticipation for Endgame or maybe two movies.

But that worked well, right? So the challenge is now we're in this you know, this other phase. Can, they can, you know, you know, continue that momentum and I don't think they can. And so that, you know, and that's the challenge. So unless you have a very tight story and, and be honest with you, last couple marbles, I can't.

And even the ones that worked well that were kind of almost self-contained, like maybe even spider-Man, no Way Home, that was so contingent on nostalgia, right? For other, other movies. And so it wasn't like it was his own self-contained, you had to have knowledge of like TW movies from 20 years of Spider-Man movies.

And so, so anyway, make a long story short, I think Star Wars is kind of in that space now. I mean, star Wars are special, man. I mean, you remember there was. I mean, these kids are getting like Star Wars TV shows. It's like, oh. It's like, oh, whatever. They're throwing it in the trash. But remember the, the, the dark years, Mr.

Benja, we were just like, I mean, it was like dry lane after they returned this Jedi man, we had nothing. We were in college. Yeah. That was like 20 years, man. We were just like, when that, when that night was it? I remember I was, I think I was with you when we saw it for the first time on our computers with fandom Menace and they had the I forgot the name of the they came out the fog and we saw that we almost lost our shit, man.

We was like, oh my God, they're coming out of a Star Wars movie on. Yeah. Oh, we almost passed out, man. So I think there's no invent to these Star Wars movies. And so now they're going to create a movie based on a TV show based on a cartoon. It's kind of like, where's the specialness? That's

Mr. Benja: a good point.

That's a good point. So, yeah. And but they're bringing back the cast. Are they some people they're trying to, okay, I'm just saying. I don't know if you had anything else to say on the three movies, but

Theo: nah, nah, I'm, I think we said all we can, man. So, high level takeaway. You know, we're optimistically cautious going to this, but I'm not running up to the football this time, going back to my original analogy, but I'm, I'm, I'm creeping up on it, you know, but I'm not gonna be fooled this

Mr. Benja: time.

Yes, everybody search Dave Phony, cautiously optimistic. I want you to search that. I want you to search that phrase.

Theo: What's up, what's next?

Mr. Benja: So this is story number four. Daisy Ridley is back in Star Wars after saying she wasn't going to be,

Theo: you know what that's called?

Mr. Benja: Please help. I need a paycheck.

Theo: AKA how much money you want Daisy to, to be back in this thing. I'm, I'm shocked they must have paid a lot of money cuz she was done. I thought she thought the, the, the fan base was toxic, I thought. And so for her to be kind of reeled back into this very interesting. I mean, I, I thought she was good.

I didn't have any complaints about her. I think the only thing I didn't like about her, she was almost like, What's it called? We, we, what's it called? A a, a sue character. What, what's that term? Mary Sue, Mary Sue character. So basically a magical, you know, character that can do everything in the story or that you needed to do, right?

Like in the first one, she just knew how to, you know, will the lightsabers. She just knew how to use the force. It was just like, what is going on? But as an actress, I thought she did a good, great job. I, I, I, you know, especially as a, you know, a leading representative for, for young girls out there. I thought that was good, but but I thought she was done with the series.

Mr. Bencher, what, what, what do you think brought her back? Was that the, hold on, I, what's that? I think, I think that's the sound of that be truck beep, beep

Mr. Benja: beep.

Yeah, just, just back it up to the pool. I emptied all the water out. You can just dump the money in the pool. I'll swim

Theo: in it later. Oh man. Well, well, there what brought her back? And the other question, does Star Wars even need her? I'm just curious.

Mr. Benja: So she's supposed to play a an, she's got her own Little Jedi Academy now, so it seems like they're just kind of rehashing maybe what they did with Luke.

Actually, I will be in line to see this because if she has a, if she has a scene where she's drinking milk from the tea of a strange space animal I will be there to see her, you know, you know, looking all gritty and wiping milk off her face. Maybe, maybe they're gonna try that, but I, I don't know.

She has a lot of fans. I actually like the Ray character. I didn't like the way they. Her character in those three movies. Yeah. As, as in the in force Awakens, I thought she was a bit of a, you know, Hey look, you know, I'm the new Skywalker. And it's like, ah, but you don't have a story behind you. Just Exactly.

Theo: She just came outta nowhere.

Mr. Benja: Yeah. You were just coming outta nowhere, sliding down a hill on you know, on your little pieces of cardboard or whatever. Wait, wait, wait,

Theo: wait. She was making that bread, that water bread. Everybody was hyped about that

Mr. Benja: dog. Dog. Where can I get some water bread?

So yeah, there was, there was a, there was that in the force awakened. And then I'm not sure how the love story played out in part two. It got interesting. I was like, oh, okay, well now we have this, you know, she's battling with the forest kind of empire strikes back thing. I thought they were building up something.

But then of course in three the third part of the sequel trilogy the la the Rise of Skywalker. It kind of fell apart again. So, yeah. And because, so I just didn't like the way they played her character. If they can run a story arc with, with her at this stage, then that's cool, but it doesn't appear like she's going to be the major character.

Mm-hmm.

Theo: So, mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think what if even the prequels, I mean, was there any character that got introduced that people as beloved to this day? I'm trying to think. I mean, even Hayden Christensen, you know, take Anakin was not beloved. And I even, what was a young kid that played, and again, when he was younger, no one liked his performance at all.

Right. I, I'm trying to think. Obviously, you know, people didn't like cause a love story sucked and so No. What's her name got what's her name? Natalie Portman. You know, she, she did not like the franchise, so I'm trying to think in the prequel. Jaja, no one liked Jaja, so well the only person, but he was paint playing a legacy character.

Is OB one Kenobi played by and even he got kinda shafted recently cuz his TV show sucked. So yeah, I, Ian McGregor, he played it. And so that was the only char. Oh. And I did like Liam Neon's character. He was decent. Yeah, no,

Mr. Benja: no one has a problem with Kwai gun. They kind of just like, Hey, a cool guy, let him

Theo: do his thing.

And Yoda was pretty good too. Yoda was pretty good. But that's, oh, and you know, Darth. Darth Mall.

Mr. Benja: Yes. Darth Mall connected with people to the point where they actually brought him back in Rebels and his little scene in Solo. Spoiler alert if you haven't seen that,

Theo: but I mean the legacy characters, people still beloved to this day.

I'm Alo you know, some people didn't like Luke back in the day cuz he was whiny, but I liked him. Obviously Han Solo, even Princess Leia, Chewbacca, I mean that's the core, you know, characters, Lando got introduced, you know, that's a token black guy, but you know, we still love him to this day. And so it's like I mean, I don't know Mr.

Benja, it's kinda like I can, they introduce interesting characters outside Skywalkers and, and, and, and that's the challenge I think for Star Wars. But people seem to like what's it a, a soka? And so we'll see where that goes, but I don't know. Mr. Benja, what, what's your takeaway? High level from Daisy Rit coming back?

Is everybody coming back?

Mr. Benja: So look man, the, this is, this is back to that commercialization and, you know all these shows being a commercial. And hey, remember me from The Force Awakens. I'm back to kind of usher you into this new series of movies and whatever else we're gonna do. Long-lived Mano verse.

And I will never say anything bad about Disney because, you know, they pay

Theo: bills well to the, to the actors. I don't know about the VFX guys, but yes, that's a whole nother

Mr. Benja: shot. Oh. So, yeah. I think it'll, you know, I'm, I'm actually, I'm actually interested in these movies. I'm just hesitant about the strategy and from the trailers and everything I've seen them put out, it seems like they either, a, haven't learned their lessons, or B, don't care and are take taking the easy way out, like,

Theo: I think they're scared, man.

I mean, you know, and and it, it goes back to Kathleen Kennedy. I think for whatever reason, she just scared to fandom. It's like, I think she's shooting herself in the F foot. They should just went with, I mean, even though he was controversial, I thought the last j what was it called? The second movie in the recent trilogy.

Yeah, last gen. Yeah, last Jedi, I thought it was pretty decent. I'm a sky and I'm a loose Skywalker fan. I get the fans, they didn't like the fact that he went out like that and you know, the fact that he didn't really have a good fight or anything like that. But I thought it was really good to point your story about, you know, trying to because that's what happens.

You get bitter old man, right? No. You know, you come out with all this hope, you know, and try to do all this stuff and you get older and you just get bitter and you just wanna drink your, your, your, your goats milk or your from the teeth and just sit at home and watch TV all day, right? And so I get that part.

He made a mistake and, you know, he was trying to, you know, just shelter himself for the world. So, but I thought that was a poignant story, but they didn't wanna go his route, Ryan Johnson. So I get it. But I, I thought he was and that's why it kinda looks like a mess. But if they win his route and stake chewed at when they got rid of snow and all that, I thought that would've been Better.

And I think Catherine Kennedy got scared. She's like, oh, people don't like this and they're not gonna come out for the next movie. Instead of just riding that, okay, he made all these changes, ride it out, let's see where it goes. And then, you know, least you know. And I guarantee people would've, you know, they respect, yeah, we respected that.

They may not have liked it, but then, you know, you know how it always is. I mean, because we talked about this, the prequels came out, we hated them, but man, there are some fans out there. There. People love them. Prequels, man. And so you just don't know.

Mr. Benja: Wait, you said the prequels, the sequels.

Theo: The prequels.

I'm going. Yeah. I love the prequels. The prequels? Yeah. Oh, well, yeah. Don't forget. Yeah. You're one of them. I'm talking about younger generation. Mr. Ben, high generation. I don't know. A lot of us are kinda, yeah.

Mr. Benja: Oh boy. I tell, I tell you my first, the first thing I, I, I tested out my new surround sound on was the pod race.

Theo: Yes. I remember. God. Dog it. That was

Mr. Benja: beautiful. Damn. That was

Theo: nice. All right, Mr. Bitch. Let's move on, man. What you got? All

Mr. Benja: right. We're gonna bank through this last story right quick, but this is story number five. The WWE has been sold to the owners of the U F C. Hmm. So now wwe, C W E and the U F C have the same owner.

And this is interesting. You got like a fantasy sports and a real life sports under the same roof. And the roof is called Endeavor. So tell us a little bit about this transaction.

Theo: Yeah. Endeavor is run by aria Manuel. So basically the the character, the Asian character from Entourage that was yelling all the time.

Yeah. Who happens? His brother is one of the top, you know doctors in the country. And then his other brother, ramen, Manuel used to be Obama's chief of staff, and now he's, he was mayor of Chicago. So powerful family. But you know, Ari is the one in Hollywood and he's just, you know, taking over Hollywood, buying everything left and right.

But the U ffc from Dana White recently, not too long ago I think, well, I don't, I don't have the numbers on what they bought it at, but you know, they got a valuation here and then now he well they, oh, he bought it for, what's that? $4 billion. Right. And then now they're saying they're going, it is valued at You know, 12 billion now.

So, so now he's looking at w w E and he said, I think that the value, the, the value of it is at some 0.4 billion. So, huge, huge, huge thing for them. I think. I don't know, man. And this is like endeavors trying to, you know, they own sports they own you know, agent, you know, they have agents that, you know, represent actors and things like that.

So now they have a sports thing. They also have like, I think ultimate bull riding, you know, so they have a lot of different things that they're trying to get into. So this is huge. I don't know. Mr. Benes, so what's the key takeaway from this? Or what do people shouldn't know? Well, you know, the two biggest guys in it that created these whole industries, you know, Dana White and ufc, and Vince McMahon, W e So now, you know, those troublesome characters are, are no longer in the head.

But the question is, are they gonna still be around? You know, you see Dana Wright kind of soaking around here, here, and there is, is Vincent Mans still gonna have some influence? That's one takeaway. Are we gonna see you know, a lot more Hollywood inside of wwe e you know, With some of the actors, you know, showing up at events to kind of juice up the numbers a little bit more.

We'll see. So it's a lot of interesting things that come out of this. And also, we also, you know, did, did you hear about, they were thinking about w e they were gonna have bedding for w e Did you hear that? I heard about

Mr. Benja: that. I did know if I should take it seriously or not, but that was interesting.

Theo: Well, yeah, for those that don't know, let I know you, you believe in Santa Claus, but guess what WWE wrestling is fake. So they script them out. Now when they script them out, when they take the stories, you know, there's some debate there. Right. You know, maybe in mid match, right. They could be like, okay, let's do something different, but.

They know the outcome. It's not like, you know, you're going in there not knowing who's gonna win that day. So it's kind of interesting. So like you said, U F C is supposedly real, right? And so so we'll see how this is gonna mesh these two kind of almost, you know, comical, almost ultra violent type entities into one.

The guy, was it Brock Lesner? Didn't he go between both U ffc and WWE E? Yeah. Yeah. Was there another couple guys? I think a couple other guys did that too.

Mr. Benja: Randy Orton, I wanna say. Yeah, right.

Theo: Randy Orton. So there's some legacy there, you know, guys going back and forth. So why not?

Mr. Benja: Let's get the rock in the Octagon and

Theo: see what happens.

Oh man, I right man. He can't say no candy. He can't

Mr. Benja: say no. Can you smell what the cool,

Theo: you got any takes on this Mr. Pincher?

Mr. Benja: Hey man, people are making moves and once you think you know what's happening, something new like this happens. I mean, it's not, you're talking about brand and everything and you know, normally companies wouldn't like mix these type of brands together or try not to, but I think they're seeing it in a different way.

And it's gonna be interesting to see how they play out these, these, these audiences, right? Because mm-hmm. They're trying to leverage not just the production, not just the you know, marketing and all that, but you're also trying to leverage your two main audiences. And when you can do that, you've got something different.

What's their plan here? Totally. Not sure, but it, it, these are both fun things, you know, seeing dudes beat up on each other. Maybe they corner the market and

Theo: dudes doing dumb shit. Well, Dana White still has that. I think we talked about this, the slap. Do you see that professional. Competition. Yeah. Dana White is, is heading up.

Oh lord. We basically, you know, you just slap the mess out of people. Yeah. See who falls down the first. So yes, there's, there's gonna be a plethora of these things popping up that Dana White has money

Mr. Benja: when someone buys the the inside the car. Have you, I don't know if you've seen this, that where they, where they it's basically car jujitsu, kajitsu, I think they call it Oh Lord.

Where two, two people are sitting in a car and when the timer grows off, they unbuckle their seat belts and try to beat up the other guy. It's, it sounds dumb and it is dumb, but it makes a lot more sense when you watch it and then you're like, wow, this is not only dumb. It's fascinating, interesting.

Technical and.

Theo: Well, it is just like the slap thing. It's like almost like I didn't know so much technique goes into slapping the mess out someone. And there was technique where you hit him, how you place your foot, you know how many, you know, if you wanna hit him the same side or different sides, it's just like, what, what is this man?

So yeah, more proof that we live in dystopian future guys. So if you didn't know when we're watching entertainment where people try to beat each other up in a car or slap the mess out of each other. But one other thing I wanted to say about this Mr. Ben just said, you know, we were big wrestling fans in college.

You know, we went to go see a couple of shows, you know, in person, and, and we, we, I think we so hyped. We got like, what second row was it one time in Tallahassee? Hell yeah. Yeah. We, we had yeah, it was, that was, that was the hypey time. And then I think we drove one time in Memphis to go see a match it.

Yeah. It's like funny wrestling, man. It's like one of those things that kind of hits you like every so often. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it hit me when I was younger, you know, I saw all the guys aging the cage. Yeah. That was, I saw you know, Hulk Hogan growing up on that. I think we all did, you know, in our younger days.

Then in college, I, you know, when it was east w c w and then w e and then they kind of merged eventually it becomes something big. So, Mr. Binge, I have to ask you, are you watching wrestling now? Are you familiar with what's going on?

Mr. Benja: I'm keeping tabs on it, but I'm not watching. Mm-hmm. Like, I haven't watched or match, but I, I know a lot of people still do, and I think interesting things are starting to happen again with this new a e w league.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And Some pretty, some pretty interesting stuff is kind of bubbling up, but, you know, will it get back to the days of E C W W L and n w O ww? I, I don't think we're gonna get back to that because that was, that was just too good.

Theo: Too juicy. Well, you know I hate to say it, but like a w I mean, wrestling, just like porn, they adapt man to the technology.

And so streaming services they're huge on streaming, I mean, and on, on TikTok, on YouTube. So you see a lot of those you know, wrestlers there, you know, on those different things. Yes. They used to have TV shows and, you know, promotions, excuse me, but, you know, they're still big man. And so when you go to streaming, They're doing big things.

So a e e I think they have a shot now that w w E is kind of like, you know, corporate. So we'll see what they're gonna do to get our attention. But yeah, I'm like you, man. I kind of go in and out, go to YouTube, see what the latest is, and do some, you know, go down a rabbit hole what, what the ladies and greatest is.

And yeah, it's been okay. Nothing, you know, I don't think anything has ever been the height of. Of the Rock or Stone Cold, Steve Austin. But you know, there's been some things that got close there, but I don't think anything's as hype as that was in our, in his heyday, cuz there was nothing. And Sting, of course, you know, when we saw that there was nothing as hype when you saw, you know, sting coming down the rafters and they beat the mess out of him the n w and he came out of the, the hole.

He beat the shit everybody. He like, oh no, he was alive the whole

Mr. Benja: time. Hey man. Better story than the sequel trilogy. That's all I'm saying.

Theo: And then the other hype thing to me was Stone Coast, Steve Austin, when he put the Stone Coast Thunder on Vince McMahon. That was hype. Yeah. So like I said, oh, when he get hyped, when he start talking to somebody and they say it just gets tired of their bs, he just kicks him real quick and does it so fast.

He's like,

Mr. Benja: what happened there?

Yes, indeed. So anyway,

Theo: those are the hypes for me. And, and going down YouTube, I don't see anything as hype as that, but I don't know man. So, we'll, we'll see. More to come on that. But Mr. Benja, man, this has been awesome. Anything else, man? What you got going on this week?

Mr. Benja: Nothing much else going on. I mean you know, I'm, I got my, I.

I'm nearing completion of the Jot booking book. Basically, I'm all about taking all your little thoughts, your ideas and concepts that you have floating around in your head, quickly jotting them down doing good things with them, throwing 'em away, and keeping your head clear for this crazy mental landscape we've been doing.

So, got an ebook coming out on that soon.

Theo: Yes, I'm ready man. Let's get it. Let's get it, brother. That's right. Yeah, same here, man. I got my little notebooks if you can see. Yeah, I got all my little notes and ideas and stuff for the year and you know, it's Q2 for us and so I'm preparing us to, to know, get to the next level.

One thing I'm really like thinking about, man, just SOPs, standup operating procedures on how we can just scale our business. And, you know, I'm actually putting together some thoughts around that. And you know, I'm actually thinking about writing a book. I, I got a a company that can help me do that.

And so I'm going to kind of put some, some content together that's gonna take a little while, but if I can get, you know, my first book out, I think that could be helpful in creating some more, you know, info products out there for the market. So yeah, more to come on that, but I'm really excited about, you know, what I can build here and just trying to think through standard ways that people can create content and you know, build their businesses.

So another good book I recommend, I've been reading a lot of, you know, is expert Secrets. I'm putting shot out that lately, but yeah, man, Ru Russell. I mean, you know, for all his talk, man, you know, he's, he's legit man. I mean, everything he's talking about people, he is kind, he's kind of like the low key Gary V.

Because everything he thought about is creating his frameworks and, you know, how do you get people to, to buy stuff from you with internet? I mean, you know, he, he kind of figured that out. He figured that out a while ago. And so I think that's been kind of you know, pretty insightful for me to kind of, you know, understand the game and then now seeing where the game is going from listening to Ryan Pan's podcast or other influencers to see what they're thinking about now.

But yeah, so that's my thoughts, just trying to figure out how we can kinda scale our business over the next two, three years. Very, very cool for this. Very, very cool. All right guys. Well thanks for the time, guys. Appreciate it. Look, you know, we had a lot to talk about and I enjoyed it as well. So guys, look, I think you know, what we normally like to say is when Mr.

Benja, you know, tell everybody please like, subscribe and comedy that show us' business on Twitter, YouTube, and Instagram. Listen to us at Spotify, iTunes, or wherever you listen to podcast, and please visit us on our website at show US' business. All right, Mr. Benja, take care. Peace.

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