Hollywood is broken and needs fixing. Video Game IP could save Hollywood. The AI Wars between Microsoft and Google is heating up. The issue of making black art w/ out black bodies. Disney’s series of not so fortunate events.
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Hollywood is broken and needs fixing. Video Game IP could save Hollywood. The AI Wars between Microsoft and Google is heating up. The issue of making black art w/ out black bodies. Disney’s series of not so fortunate events.
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Mr.Benja: This is show versus business, your weekly take on pop culture from two very different perspectives with your host, the Real Theo Harvey and myself, Mr. Benja, coming with all the relevant info to get your week started and this week we'll be covering Hollywood. It's broken man, and it needs some fixing.
What we gonna do? I don't know. Number two, we're gonna ask, could video game IP save Hollywood? This is a real question people have been asking lately. Sounded crazy before. It's a real thing. Now. From third story, we got Bing versus Bard in the AI wars. This thing is heating up. It's getting wild, it's getting crazy.
And these two big companies might need to get stopped in general. And number four. Making black art without black bodies sounds like one of those weird things you might see on the Grillo or something, but we got it right here and it's relevant for you to listen to whether you're black or not. And number five, Disney series of not-so-fortunate events.
Disney's been going through some stuff and we gotta tell you about it, and that's what we're gonna do today on show versus business. Theo, how does that sound to you, sir?
Theo: Oh man, it's the full slate, man. I'm, I'm, I'm hype about it, man. I'm hype about it. So man, before we get into that, man man, I got some thoughts.
I got some thoughts. Oh, oh.
So, so I have my notebook, I have my notebook. And been thinking, been thinking, man. Yeah, I've just been interested and curious about just like how to shape, you know, marketing strategy, you know, going forward. And one of the things I'm really, you know, struggling with lately was just trying to figure out how.
To just get a lot of work done Right to move forward. And I got this one little trick. I've been, I've been practicing. It's been working well for me. Mr. Benj, one weird trick. Yeah. One weird trick I give out to, to the populous for free. Man, the key is don't worry about the output. Focus only on input.
Mr.Benja: You sound like chat, g p t, you're not worried about the output, you just put
anything
Theo: out there. Yeah, man. It's like you get caught up in like, you know, in your head sometimes. I don't know about you, but you know, you try to create something and it's this, this or this, that, or this is this, and it's just like the way to be like super productive.
It's just, Focus on the input, right? Did I do it right? Did I do this thing? You know, did I do it? And then once it's out there mm-hmm. Then you evaluate later. And so maybe that's something you've always done, but it's something I'm trying to realize to kind of get more productive. And the other, on the, on the same side of that coin is like, To prevent myself from going down that rat hole of thinking through, you know, the outcomes too much.
I'm trying to resist that urge. Yeah. And there's some psychological studies that say you can resist the urge. W ride that wave if you will, and it will subside, you know, and it's like a skill you practice over time. First you have to notice it, and so, One of the things I'm looking at is just like meditating more so that way I can kind of notice it better and then you know, ride that wa wave and then making sure that I resist the urge to think about those outcomes and just focus on the inputs.
So, so like I said, this is something new to me. It's just because I'm just so kind of focused on like, Doing this and getting this done, but, and thinking about what, what all the different scenarios or what could or could not go wrong, but it's mm-hmm. Like, man, that, that hinders you sometimes from just getting, being productive.
So anyway, I just throw that out there, man. That's just something I learned while I was on the, the vacations recently. Okay. Down in er. So just when you have time to think and you just, you, you really kinda look at your process flow and you're like, Hmm, I need to do things differently. And so that's kind of something that came up.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, man, that sounds like, that sounds like two different sources I've heard before. One Gary v and two, the woowoo community. You know, I know this is, you know, a lot of the business types, it's like the opposite end from, you know, Tony Robbins has massive action. And then on the other side you have the, like, the law of attraction.
But on the, on the, on the law of attraction side of things. That's what a lot of those people bring up. It's like, Hey, you know, you just go, that felt good. Put it out there and do it. And I used to get pissed off at these people because I was like, what is this crap? What are you making? And they're like, Hey man, let's change it.
If you don't like it, you don't like it, let's go to lunch and talk about it. I was like, dude, you know, but there's a, there's a balance to the force, right? So
Theo: Always, always. And so, I mean, you know, because it does. Hinder you when you start thinking about the negative aspect. And another thing I got from one of the gurus out there, Myra Golden just said, everything has a positive and negative side to it.
And so it's just a matter of what you focus in on. Mm-hmm. So positive. Just focus on the positive side and they can kind of keep you motivated to kind of keep doing the thing or don't even think about either side and just do it and, you know, figure out later. So the analogy was someone gave was like you know, Peter walking on water right.
You know? Mm-hmm. He just did it. Jesus was out there. He saw Jesus walking on water. Peter just stepped out, started walking on water. He didn't start sinking until he started looking around. He was like, wait a minute, I'm on water now. What's going on? Yeah, yeah. And he start to sink. And then, so I'm like, wow.
But he, but if nothing else, he walked on water. So, you know, people say, oh, Peter, he didn't, he know what he's doing. You still fell out. But guess what? You know, you're still walking on water. So I think that's kind of, you know, my mentality, you know, going to the second half of the year. So, so just putting some, you know, you, you know, this is what we talk about, some of our personal things, and so this is some of the things I've been kind of dealing with as I had time to think and reflect while I was on vacation.
Mr.Benja: Wow, that's, those are definitely good reflections, man. It's, it's something that was actually codified into video game development when they started the patch system. Hmm. Do you remember when. You know, it used to be you release a cartridge, you release a disc, you release a download or whatever, and that was pretty much just it, right?
Mm-hmm. And then at some point with PC games, you started seeing patches come out where it's like, Hey, you know, there's this, there's all these bugs. We need to release patches. But then at some point people began to expect patches like, you can't play this game without an internet connection. They're like, why?
Because every so often we're gonna update a patch. And we simply won't let you play unless you patched the game every so often. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So we got in the habit of, we, the video game industry, not any particular outfit, but we got in the habit of putting out a product knowing that the patches weren't ready yet.
Mm-hmm. And companies were just kind of like, well, if anybody makes it this far in the game, this is a minor error. It won't matter too much. And people are complaining on the internet and it's like, Did you download the patch? It's like, it's kind of frustrating in terms of when you're playing a game and you see there's something wrong with it and you're being punished because you're the first guy out there playing it.
Mm-hmm. But then Kanye West did it too. He started putting out incomplete albums on title, and people are like, what are you doing? And he's like, Hey, I'm gonna change it in two days. Don't worry. The album would change, the mix would change, the titles would change. It was, it was very bizarre. But that's the way things are now.
Hmm.
Theo: Interesting. Okay. I love the, I love the the, the, the, the, you know, the, the show side of things coming to the forefront. So that's kind of how artists create sometimes just, and to be fair, right, artists never really complete. It's just done right? You just. Get it out there and you just, you, you know, you can always, I mean, look at George Lucas, right?
He's the internal war, always making Star Wars just that much better. Right? So, you know, it's, it's, it's, I get that part, but it does get to a point where, you know, To even get, I mean, cuz what you guys do, you know, I'm always in a of, of the show side of things is because you guys take so much massive risk and it's like, it can almost paralyze you.
Right. If you really think about the risk that you take sometimes because you know, and it's all this effort that goes into it. Yeah. I even think about actors sometimes. They like, they normally put their face on some movies and TV shows and they know probably internally and then people told 'em this is a wild swing.
This could. Fall on your face immediately, or it could be the biggest thing of your career. We just don't know. And they just like, oh, well just do it. You know what?
Mr.Benja: That's actually a good. A good thing to research. What are some possible fall on your face, movies or outings or roles that people have gotten into?
I, I got one
Theo: right now that's coming out and, you know, I don't know when we put this pod out, but it'll probably be out after we put this pod. It's I think it's, it's a new Jennifer Lawrence movie. It's gonna be like a sex comedy that she's putting out there and it's, I think it's called No Hard Luck or something like that.
And She's got herself in the forefront, man. Her face is on the poster. You know, this is her. But we all know comedies don't do well in movie theaters right now. Yeah. And she hasn't had a hit since, I don't know when. Right. So this is like one of those like, okay, you know, now better, you know, approach will be, you know, let's, let's do some.
Ese movie or, you know, have a second lead in this and, and, and then see what happens. But no, she's going for that, that swing baby. Bad, bad. So, so stuff like that is kinda interesting to me.
Mr.Benja: Speaking of swing, you wanna swing into these stories,
Theo: man? Let's get to it, brother.
Mr.Benja: All right. Here we go with story number one.
Hollywood is broken and it needs fixing, allegedly. So, what's this about, Theo? Because you should, you sent this one my way. Is it time to break up Hollywood? What's happening here?
Theo: Well, you know, man, look, I think let's just level set here. I think we're all kind of feeling the strain a little bit, what's happening in entertainment business.
And it's something we talked about on this pod for, for, for, for over years now at this point, right? With the streaming service, the streaming wars, you know, wars, there's always casualties. Things have falling apart. Now, you know, we have me movie theaters, you know, they close now they're reopening and numbers aren't like what they used to be.
We talked about no bankable new movie stars, right? It's hard to kind of break movie, new movie stars now than it used to be. And then it's just this over and now this writer strikes and this is overall malaise around like, you know, marble mcu. Kind of, you know, down and out. So it's kinda like this malaise around entertainment.
I mean, I'm feeling, I think you're filming it too, like is there anything still good out there? Right. And it doesn't seem like entertainment is like what it used to be. And this guy Matt Stoler he wrote a big piece. It does other pieces on, you know, On a different in his blog, but he just really kind of broke down like, what, what does it mean what's going on with Hollywood right now?
And he kind of put everything we talked about into kind of context and it did kinda open my eyes to like, oh, okay, the bigger, you know, these are some of the bigger themes of what's happening in Hollywood. And I don't know if it can be fixed. I mean, cuz High level. You know, what he's talking about is the advent of streaming has broken the model so bad is that we really don't know how to evaluate what is good content or not.
Because, Hmm. You know, there's no way to evaluate it because Netflix, all these streamers don't give us ratings. They don't give us box office. Before you had that, you had TV ratings, box office for movies you know, reviews sometimes from critics. You know that that does okay. But you don't have a quantified number to know if this is a good content.
Cause based on if it's good or not, then they kind of reverse engineered and create content that's generally like that as well. But, you know, I think. He's saying that we just don't have a good way to Val and based on that valuation, that's how everybody gets paid. Right. You know, you got the actors, they get residuals, potentially.
You get the writers, you know, to get better pay for something's, you know, considered great and does well, but with the. This new model streaming model, everybody gets paid up front and don't worry about it. Did they do well? Sure. And so it does seem like it's hard to quantify from a business standpoint what these things are worth.
And I think that's what the writers are striking about. They want more analytics on how well their content is doing so they can benchmark it against something else. So they can know if they can get. A higher fee or just something later on based on how previous content did. So so anyway, so make a long story short.
I think this article was really kind of great in kind of breaking that down. Did you have any insights, you know, kind of when you kind of baru, perus that article and see if there's anything that kind of resonate with you?
Mr.Benja: Well, the one, one thing I was thinking about, and you mentioned streaming, is the binge model.
Did that. Did that fundamentally kind of f up things in a way that really can't be brought back. You know, we talk about attributing value and attributing or giving, giving Hollywood this kind of mythical proportion, you know, that you see when you went to a movie theater, you'd see the big, like, you know, a man's Chinese theater.
You had these big Hollywood premieres with these huge red carpets and everything. You'd have. All of this buildup on television, which was a format where you had five major channels that people would have to watch. And that was, you know, now you have hundreds of channels and then you have stuff outside of those channels.
You have, you have internet and people on TikTok and social media talking about whatever the hell they want. So, you know, is, is the idea of Hollywood gone? And we talked about this a long time ago when we were discussing. A show that was, you know, made on someone's, someone's cell phone mm-hmm. In Louisiana, or some guys in, you know, Bulgaria making, making films and just like, well, do you need Hollywood like you did before the physical place, the concept, and this is all breaking apart and turning into something that, you know, or, or morphing into something that we don't truly understand.
So. The binge model got me thinking about that because there was an article put out, not an article, there was a video essay put out by Captain Midnight talking about the binge model. Mm-hmm. And everybody was complaining like, no, you have to have, you have to have the weekly releases and you have to have the art first and foremost.
And it's like, yeah, that's from the artist creative point of view. When you start looking at the creativity and. The content from the user point of view, it's like, oh, just give it to me and, and you can't, it's hard to get around that, and I think Hollywood has all these barriers set up, but then people are like, Hey guys, you don't have to go through that barrier.
You can just come over here and do whatever you want. You can release all of 'em you want. You can remix and copy 'em. You can break down trailers all you want. You can make your own YouTube show. You can fundamentally copy the story of this great production. And do it on your, you know, home YouTube channel for your view, for your viewers if you want.
And what are they gonna do? Get mad that you kind of plagiarize their story idea, but you were able to release it before they did because you don't have this huge Hollywood production. I mean, there's so many different things in there, but it's. It's it's time, man. Something's,
Theo: something's changing. Yeah.
Well, with the business model too, there it is. It is unheard of. That streaming really is gonna make you more money. I mean, Netflix has done it, but the reason why they did it, they had to spend billions, billions of dollars to get the content up right across. The world and only only way they could, they did that was because they had high flying stock price.
Right. So they could take advantage of that to kind of raise more capital. And that helped them to kind of get over the hump to get profitability. I mean, we talked about this business 1 0 1, Amazon did this, right? They, they were so unprofitable so many years cuz they were just trying to grab market share and then finally just turned the switch on and they got profitable.
And that's kind of the, the, the, the. You know, the thesis of all investment, VC investment, right? You find a company that can just, you know, operate at a loss for so long that they got so much market share, they can eventually become profitable and make billions, right? That's the Facebook model, Google model, Amazon model, right?
Right. But, and Netflix did that. Now everyone else is falling along, but they're still losing money. I mean, Disney's losing money. Paramount's losing money. I mean, you know, they're losing money so bad. We'll talk about. Even Disney's looking to erase a lot their content on their streaming platform, right?
And so because they're trying to save money, you know, there's so much money that they're losing to kind of create this content to get you to stay on this platform. And so, like and then, but guess what? These, these big entertainment companies have no choice because also, Yes. They had to go to, streaming is a radical new model, but their core model, the one that made them so much money.
Linear television. Cable tv, basically, yeah. Is losing money. Right. I mean, we saw this, they were talking about this years ago, but the cord cutting. Right. You know, people don't buy cable. Yeah. Unless you're over 65 and you know, it's like, And the cable was so good because it had two revenue sources. It had ad revenue, and it had the minimum carrier fee that you, they the cable company charged you for that box.
Yeah. So that model is going away. You know, we're talking about theaters, you know, that got decimated a little bit. Now we'll see. They're coming up a little bit. Yeah. But I think the opening numbers are starting to get a little softer. For some of these blockbusters this summer, this is gonna be really telling Summer to see if it's gonna be valuable for the blockbuster market in theater.
So it doesn't look good for entertainment. And that's, and so they had to go to streaming, but streaming doesn't seem like it's profitable. So now what do they do?
Mr.Benja: Yeah. Good thing Max rolled out.
Yeah, just a quick note. HBO o max rebranded to just Max. We talked about that last time, but yeah, that rollout's not going smoothly. No one likes it. People are are giving it the thumbs down emoji and Twitter and everywhere else on social media. So yeah, it's a problem.
Theo: The funniest thing ever was I need an app to remind me to download an app.
I, I'm so glad I, I went to, I was like, what is this? They literally, like, I went to the old H B O Max app and it said, oh, You know, you need to go download this new, I'm like, wait a minute, why don't you just update your existing app with the new branding and everything. That just, I guess, you know, from a technology standpoint, they probably had to integrate all the stuff in the back end, create a whole new app, but that, that's not gonna go over well.
They're already complaints of, they're telling people they got two major season finalities you know, when we're recording this on Sunday. Mm-hmm. Succession and Barry and people gonna be pissed. Oh wow. They're gonna try to watch these shows on the old app and it, I guarantee trying to download that app while you're trying to watch this show, it's gonna crash on you.
So it's like, you know, they trying to warn people to download the app and then other things they were talking about, they, you know, the way they had the The credits now, you know, was obscuring rider credits. The way it was connected to the Apple tv was blowing up stuff. So yeah, man, this is, yeah, this is not how you rebrand Zla.
Thank you. Appreciate it. David Zla almost as bad as sound, juicy guy. Oh man. With the 21 slate of t of movies released on H B O Max. So, I don't know, man. H b O Max, I mean, it's like, Have you ever seen this before? This is like such a good brand. H B O Great. I mean, every Sunday it's a great show. I mean, for the last six months, it's been a great show every Sunday.
Okay. And it's just effing it up. I mean, it's just a great, great product, but the marketing product is still, this is effing things up, man, left and right. I've never, I, I, I'm trying to think, has this been a case like this in any type of product release? I mean, you may know better than me, but it's just like, Marketing.
I've never seen this before. Marketing and products is messing up a, a great product
Mr.Benja: of, you know, I guess, I guess when does Vista comes to mind? Yeah.
We'll, we'll come back to this one cuz that's definitely a topic, but speaking of blowing up, we've got story number two. Video game IP could actually save Hollywood in a way so, If you're looking at the landscape and the, the, the penetration of watchable devices and ways to get your media fixed on, people have always thought about in, in the past they had the, the DVD player, the, you know, the movie theater.
These are ways to funnel Hollywood into your homes. Then at some point, we got the Xbox, then we got the PlayStation and. One of the big, I don't know if you remember this deal. One of the big drawing points was like when you got a PlayStation, you're like, Hey, you know, you can play your DVDs on this. And people were like, oh yeah, I can play my DVDs on there.
I can play my Blu-rays on that. I don't need to get a second player. I can just get a video game console. And what people don't, or haven't really been talking about is how easy. Video games have made it to get a lot of your content funneled in through their system. Mm-hmm. So you go to a lot of people's houses, they don't have a Blu-ray player, they have a PS five, and then you have to go through the video game first to get to the Hollywood content.
I'm saying that that's relevant because looking at all this, these properties that are coming out recently and some of the recent hits in, in Hollywood, even it's video game based. Have you been seeing
Theo: this? Absolutely. I mean, we talked about Mario. Basically it passed a billion globally that when it got released mm-hmm.
In the theaters last of us. We talked about it on his pod. I mean, it's you know, a hit TV show. Yeah, man. It's. Tons of more coming out. I think you know, Hollywood just looks at the numbers, man. If it's doing well, they're gonna copy now. So I, but this is a far Cry man from Doom with Dwayne the Rock Johnson, or, oh man.
Oh, what were some old crappy releases? I mean, there's been so many bad, the Hitman, original hitman, there's been so many bad versions of this that to see it being successful now is just almost. A shock, but guess what? That's what happened with the superhero movies, right? Remember for a long time mm-hmm.
There was some bad versions of that. Then finally it hit and now we're like, oh, wow, M C U, let's do it. But now we're seeing the same thing kind of happen with the video game industry. And so it's kind of interesting to me right now. Like I said I'm, I'm cautiously optimistic, but you know, I know you, you came from the video in industry, so I'd love to hear some more of your insight on as to where this is all going.
Mr.Benja: Well, for me it's, it's about control and perspective. When you, when you're talking about the, the movies, Hollywood is traditionally in control and they're like, okay, we have this, you have this concept. They bring it in a concept room and they start writing on the boards and, you know, making storyboards, creating image boards and, you know, vision layouts.
And they're like, okay, this is how it's gonna be. We're Hollywood, we do it this way. And the video game people or the comic book people really had no choice. You mentioned comic books. MCU U, when they got control of their own IP and you know, were able to do Marvel Studios their way, all of a sudden it was like, oh, this can actually be a thing.
We can actually put this out in a way that we think is proper and that Hollywood may not think is proffer. Like who comes to you with a concept that's like, okay, we're gonna have a TV show. Connect to the comic book, connect to the movie, and the movie's gonna push the next movie forward. And nobody in Hollywood was thinking, yeah, we're not, we're gonna do all this.
We're gonna, it's like if it bombs, we're just gonna move on to the next thing. What are you talking about? It's like, no, it's all connected. Even the hashtag it's all connected, it became, it became a thing for Marvel. So now you see video games starting to take a little more control of their own journey and their own.
Output where, where studios like Riot Games was extremely involved with Arcane and people who played the video game, they recognize the characters and they understand that yes, we're not replaying the video game. In the theater or you know, on, on film. This is a who different story that makes sense in that universe.
So it's a different way of coming at things and I'm glad video games are finally starting to, or the video game industry is finally starting to come together in a way that really makes sense for the platform, for the ip, for their audience.
Theo: Yeah, I mean, look, did they really need Hollywood? I mean, I think some estimates 185 billion market cap or 199 billion market cap for video game industry.
So I mean, it, it is almost like this, you know, the size of mo movie industry is an entertainment TV is, you know, minuscule compar comparatively. Mm-hmm. So it's almost like this is like a rounding error. But it was, it was, I think it's about, Market awareness, right. For them. But about time they did this.
Right. I don't know what took 'em so long. It was almost like, cause you remember back in the day, and I think this, you know, I was thinking about when this started. I, I had a, I was listening to this Hollywood kind of round table and these actors get together and they just kind of mm-hmm. Conf fab about the different roles they had Jeff, Bridget Bridges, right.
Older actor there, and Pedro Pascal, Jeff Bridges, let's be, if you don't remember, he was the lead actor for Tron. Right. That was like one of the first kind of, I guess, movie that became a. Video game. So I think it was the other way around. And it was like, oh, let's just, and that was popular back in the day, right?
They would just make video games off of any type of movie almost. And and then now you have Pedro Pascal, one of the biggest, you know, video games of all time. He, you know, was the lead is Joel. And it was just fascinating. Here to com. Perspectives on, you know, being in these video game kind of things, when at one time he was, Jeff Bridges was like, oh yeah, it was cool.
We had video games. We were playing them in between takes. It was fun. Whereas Pedro felt the, the actor who played Joel, he felt the immense. Pressure to portray somebody that every who, if you played the game, you mm-hmm. You were Joel, right? And so it's like, if you did this wrong, people were like, dude, that's not my Joel.
You know? Yeah. Yeah. This whole, this whole game sucks as opposed to a character that you can identify with. No, I don't identify with Joel. I am Joel. And so to him, he felt I liked it. Yeah. So he felt that people would judge him, but luckily, you know, he did well. But I'm just saying just the different perspectives of how.
The video game shift that's happened and it is like, you know how people are kind of perceiving these characters as like you know who they are and then now they're gonna do the Hollywood version of it. You're right. Da, da da. Because matter of fact, the guy who created the last of us, he was intimately involved.
Neil Druckman, he actually wrote Yeah, actual episodes and directed some. So I think that's what's gonna have to happen. Hollywood's just gotta get that reins, you know? We ain't just licensing. Licensing ip. We're just gonna take control. And that's the only way these things are gonna be successful. Like then the creative Mario, did he create a whole new story for this, right, for the, the Mario movie?
Is it Miyamoto? How, how do you pronounce his name to you? Miyamoto. Yeah. So he created this whole new story for Mario. And so, so that kind of was what kind of resonated with folks. And there you go. Got a billion dollar. Franchise. It's,
Mr.Benja: it's, it's amazing how that authenticity manages to push its way through a product and into your heart where you're like, yeah, this is authentic.
I mean, it just, whatever you're talking about, whether it's the
Theo: pure artist and you right. Authentic, just, just, just through all that. Corporate bs. It gets right to
Mr.Benja: your heart. Yeah. I love it. That's hard. Oh man.
Theo: Show versus
Mr.Benja: business. Well just a little quick number before we get onto the next one. You know, people are wondering how much your game's really making.
Well take out all the overhead of paying extreme amounts of money for production, paying extreme amounts of money for talent and locations and et cetera. Aside from that. You gotta think of this video games cost maybe 30 to $70 a piece. The latest Legends of Zelda Game Tears of the Kingdom sold over 10 million units in his first three days out at $70 a pop.
So that's one of those big franchises that comes out. 700 million right there. And you've got merchandising. Mm-hmm. You've got the fact that people didn't have to buy it physically. They'll pay the same amount of money if they buy it digitally. So now, It's like, wow, I have to go buy the console. I have to buy the game.
It's so, it's a whole big money thing and I don't, I don't have anything else to say on it. I'm just fascinated. I wanna see what happens in the future with it. Love it.
Theo: Love it.
Mr.Benja: All right. Now we're moving on to story number three being versus Bard. This is a proxy battle that's been going on between Microsoft and Google, and it's coming down to the.
You know the major battle in the AI wars right now, and we just got some news basically that Microsoft being search is powering chat, G P T browsing, which is interesting. And Google, Bard can read and write images in the chat. So we talked about this a little before, but. The wars are heating up. People are staking their claim like, this is what's gonna be important to us.
It's gonna be great for search. This is important. It's email's gonna be important. And everybody else is kind of looking along, seeing what's happening. And I don't know what's gonna happen, but apparently some people at Puck News said something about wait. That's the wrong story. People are wondering whether we should pull back or not.
Should we keep going with this or, I, I don't, I don't know, Theo. I'm all in the mix and I can't even tell anymore if I should stop being in the mix.
Theo: Yeah, man. Very weird time, man. I mean, this is, they're just putting all the gas is on this thing now. I mean Goo open ai basically put the gauntlet down.
I mean, they literally, we talked about this. They literally took the technologies as developed by Google. Put it out there just on a whim, you know, you know, put their little chat, G p t, open ai, open source chat, G p T thing out there just to see what would happen. A hundred million users, right? So now it's just like, whoa, this is a thing.
And they went all in open ai. And of course, you know, Microsoft said, this is our chance. Oh, bing. Oh baby Bing. We've been looking to do this for so long. And then Google saw this as an existential threat. I mean, they make so much money in search. It's not even ridiculous. I mean, that's, that, that powers everything else that they do, right?
Let's be honest. Yes. And so they saw that if this, if they didn't do anything, especially, you know, it's, it is almost like you know, I'm, I'm a. You know, it, it is almost like, you know, I've been watching a lot of basketball lately, you know, like you had LeBron James on your team, you know, and then all of a sudden you playing in the finals and he switches at the last minute to the other team and you like, what?
Yeah, yeah. And he is beating you because, and he knows all your tricks and all that stuff, right? Yeah. It happened before in in the sporting world with my beloved bucks where we had a coach that had left from the previous team, the Raiders. John Gruden and he fought, he played against the his previous team in the Super Bowl.
So he knew everything that were going to run. He, and we beat them handily, won our first Super Bowl. So anyway, I digress. Yeah, so I think that's what's happening here. They're just Google is going all in and, you know, and they just made some announcements, like you said Gmail. You know, search email is all gonna be ai powered.
And then, you know, we see all the things that Chet P t's doing and then you got the lesser players that are really kind of putting their feet to the metal. So it's gonna be interesting to see where all this goes. But you know, I am concerned it is moving way faster than people even perceive, right?
And everybody's trying to get in the battle and there's so much money being sloshed around. It does remind me of another ba another kind of fast moving market we experienced where everything was great until it wasn't in the social media market, right? Where everything was like, oh man, let's just pause this money on Facebook.
You know, Instagram, TikTok. And then now we're faced with these other problems like, you know, high young, you know, young women, you know feeling bullied on, and, you know, suicides are up because of how people are, you know, comparing themselves on social media. Yeah. We saw what happened in the election, you know, with you know, bots out there.
Russia got into our election using Facebook, so it is like these powerful technology tools. It does seem like we're kind of going the same way with AI now. Right? Where it's like we're just put, you know, it's almost like that what's the scientist's name from Jurassic Part. Right? We, we, we, we thought about it, you know, we just said we sh you know, we're going to do it, but we never thought, should we do it?
You know, and it's like that's kind of what they're doing now. They're just kind of putting their gas in. Oh, Mr. Binge. I mean, you know, be barring the whole thing about. Generalized AI that's gonna take over, you know, and, and, and, and we wanna make sure that it's on our side, all that kind of crap. I think that's just some, it could happen, but I don't think anytime soon there's a long way to go from chat G P T to what's that?
Cyber dine. Right? Right. But I do feel like. The, the bigger fear is like using these AI tools to cause harm. You know, with fake voices calling elderly folks to give 'em their social security numbers. Yeah. Or messing for elections. So I don't know. Mr. Ben, what are your thought thoughts about
Mr.Benja: this? I mean, the fake is definitely out there and, you know, people are, are just using the technology and the usage of the technology is far outpacing any type of regulation, any type of.
You know, holding back of anything and we're not sure what it's gonna do. And this, we've seen this with a lot of technologies coming up where it's, it's a, it's available, it's out there, but there's no gate holding it back. Like if you would've told somebody, Hey, we're gonna make a blogging platform and it's only gonna be 180 characters.
Like, okay, sure. Whatever. And then a couple years later, you open it up. And you see straight up pornography, you see violence, you see political things that may not be even legal in your country. Mm-hmm. And you're like, holy crap, what is this? Oh no, it's Twitter, it's fine. It's this or that. And it's like, well, it's just a new technology.
Just get with it. It's, it's a little cause for concern with AI also, and. You know, you're talk, people talk about regulations and regulating and maybe we should pull back and, because you know the, what happens in a war, we're talking about the AI wars. What happens in a war is people start doing anything that they can to make sure that they get ahead and they're not the loser.
Well, if we're looking at the us, the reason Microsoft and Google haven't been held back as much as they probably would've been in any other situation. Is because we're looking over at China, we're looking over at Russia, what are their programmers and you know, cyber soldiers doing Good point. What are their governments setting up?
And yeah, China's already had, I, I don't have the story right on me, but China's already had issues with their AI going a little out of control. And it's like, Hey man, it's a whole different beast.
Theo: I mean, so. This reminds me, I, you know, I have, I was on vacation, so I had an opportunity to read some different books.
I read the book on Oppenheimer the father of the, yeah. Movies coming out. So I was like, yeah, let go check this out, man. And fascinating book about the guy who ran the Manhattan Project. For those that don't know, which was basically the, the, the forerunner of. The, the, the, the, the team that created the atomic bomb, right.
And how they created it and how they built it together. And it, you know, and, you know, brilliant physicists and he built all the physicists together and how they can kind of do this very similar to this AI kind of rush, right? We're doing it, you know, because we are on a war, but literally, They didn't have to, they, the war was over by the time they had found, before they even did their generally almost over before they did their first test, the Trinity test, which, you know, proved that you could actually, you know blow up, you know, do a, use atomic bomb.
It was fascinating because, but they still pushed through it because they knew if they didn't do it, you know, then Russia would do it. Or you know, Germany. Was on, was on the road to do it first, but of course they, they couldn't finish it. So they were afraid that Russia would get it. And so, and Russia did get it because they had spies everywhere.
So that's a whole nother conversation. But you're right, this does remnant, this is very reminiscent of that whole you know, Hiroshima, I mean, excuse me atomic bomb kind of rushed to kind of create this thing. And they, you know, they were trying to think of the ramifications and they, they kind of rationalized.
And there was a big speech that a Heimer gave to the, the, the, the people, the principles in the project. And he pretty much said, we have to do it. We have an obligation to get it out there. So people know if they didn't see the, the, the harm of this bomb. Then the future wars would be all be done with bombs.
Right. It was kind of like they kind of had to do it. Yeah. Cause if they didn't do it, people wouldn't understand how bad this could get. And so I think that's the rationale and why they did it. So I don't know about this ai. Is it something to that level? We have to get something so bad that happens from AI that people realize, oh, we can't use these tools like this anymore.
Mr.Benja: Well, yeah. And then you start. Then you start coming in with controls and you know, only certain countries have access to it. It's like if we get to a place where all AI has to run through Google or Microsoft or some large governing body, that's an interesting case and it's not far fetched if you look at how nuclear is handled.
Nope. It's like, Hey, go for it. I, I heard Pakistan setting up some AI servers. Let's go talk to 'em. You know? I was like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
Theo: I, I, I agree. It could get to that level when, cause these are powerful tools. I mean, you have a never ending kind of source of tech, tech technology that won't ever stop, won't ever quit.
You know, what's that? That's a terminated line. He doesn't stop. He won't quit ever until you're dead, Don. Dumb. Don't.
And then I've been watching rewatching Black Mirror lately. There's a episode about the the dog. I don't know if you remember that one, where it was just chasing a person. It was nonstop. Yes. Yes. And that's, that's the premise of AI that I mean, Barn them taking over, you know, being super, you know super intelligence.
Right. Taking us over. I just, just the unstoppable nature of it and what it could do at scale. I mean, it could definitely harm our elections. Right. And put out some mis Yeah. Misinformation. Fake news. So it's
Mr.Benja: gonna be interesting. Yeah. One real quick, scary story before move on, I had I have a Amazon fire tablet.
Actually, it's right over here, have one of these tablets, right? And I use it because I don't wanna buy a Kindle, and I just like watching media here and there, wherever I can, right? It was like 80 bucks and you could drop it in the dishwasher and you know, no one cares if it breaks or not. But the interesting thing about it is it hooks up to Amazon's whole customer service thing, right?
So you can actually say, Hey, this is a problem, this and that, man. They gave me these like five, six questions. Hey, hey, we can access your machine and we can do this to fix the problem. I'm like, okay, like, by the way, by doing this, it's gonna allow this and that. I'm like, okay, whatever, dude. Just, I'm not too concerned about what I'm using.
My ki my, my little Kindle thing here for dude, once I said yes to everything, all of a sudden their customer service rep like pressed go on this application that was supposed to go through. My, my system, it's like one of those screens you see where like the virus is happening and you see the screens flashing and stuff moving around and text boxes filling out super fast.
I was like, I'm on, cause I'm on the phone watching this and I'm like, what the hell is going on? And the lady was like, oh no, we're just having our system go through all the steps and diagnostics and making sure. Dude, it was happening so fast. I was just like, okay, stop that right now in this revoke all privileges done.
I do not need that at all. Cause I, I actually wanted them to do it. So I, the whole point was me to watch and see what they were doing so I could like, oh, okay, that's what, it's okay. That's where I need to go. That's how to fix it. This thing was like a complete takeover. And when I heard that she wasn't controlling it, it was just like she started some control processes.
I was like, I was like, I'm cool on that man. So yeah, that's all I got from this one.
Theo: Fun times AI's coming, guys. That's right.
Mr.Benja: Shout out to Terminator story number four, making black art. Without black bodies. How do you do that? What's this about, Theo? We got an AI art heist going on. What's happening?
Theo: Yeah, man.
You know, I think it's just in general. I mean, you, you're the artist, Mr. Benja. Right? But one of the things in this writer's strike among other things, more pay and, you know, longer times and dedicated having writers' tables is. This thing about ai the writers are like kind of looking to regulate AI use in, in writing Hollywood stories, and that was a non-negotiable for, for the executives.
And it's because as we, we know, they could use that to write scripts. Right now, I don't know how well the scripts would be, but. This is drawing up a lot of interesting kind of conversations of not just in writing scripts, but also art and how these models are being trained on, you know, IP and, and, and from artists like yourself or mm-hmm.
Writers that's already out there. And so is that legal right? To kind of use stuff to be trained on to basically and we talked about this, right? Do a simulation of an artist like you, Mr. B, cuz they don't wanna pay you. They said, I'd rather just do art like a Mr. Benja, so then I could have somewhat like what he has without having to pay the hefty fee.
And that is like a no-no. And so when it comes to the black bodies part, okay, go ahead.
Mr.Benja: Before you get to that, what was the non-negotiable part that.
Theo: You said, oh, the, the, oh yeah. The when I say non-negotiable, they were, they, they put a hard No, that's something that they don't want to say. I think with the writers, let me get it correct here.
The writers had said that they wanted to have, you know, on their list of points mm-hmm. Discussion around the limitation of AI and generating scripts. Okay. And the, and the Executives pretty much was like, you know, that's one is like, you know, no, we, that, that's a hard line. We're not touching that, you know.
But yeah, everything else we can try to talk to. And this one, if you want to go there, we'll talk through it, but it's like one of those like, no, and, and you can see the point as a business person, right? That's their get outta jail free card. If this don't work out, they wanna make sure I can just rewrite the script with an ai.
Mr.Benja: Right. So the executive, so the executives had the hard line in the sand, like, we need to be able to do this. Yes. Okay. Well, I should say, We need to be able to continue doing this cuz they are cont.
Theo: Yeah, good point. Continue doing this because we don't want any limitations on what's possible with the AI technology.
And so from a business standpoint, get that part. You don't wanna limit your options. And labor, as we know, is the biggest, one of the biggest costs and expenses in all businesses. And so if you can eliminate labor with free labor or a relatively cheap labor with software. Man, that's like, you know, that's how, and it kind of gets into the black bodies discussion, right?
Yeah. Because now we're talking about you know, there was a time in America where we used, we got free labor off of the, the bodies of folks. And, you know, and it was called slavery. And so, you know, in essence, you know, someone, and the, the writer was black who kind of made this analogy. He was saying, if we're taking hip hop artist music, right?
That's out there in the, in the world and, and repurposing it, using AI to simulate a Jay-Z verse. Now you can have simulation of Jay-Z's art, but not Jay-Z. Are we now replacing black bodies? Right, with something different? If I want hip hop, I don't have to listen to a hip hop artist, I can just get a pem of that.
Or, or, or a, a similarity of that, right? Yeah. So it's kinda like You know, this is kind of very similar to how it was perceived back in the day, and I thought that was interesting kind of analogy on that. So you know, Mr. Benji, I know this is kind of like your area. And one thing I did wanna add too was they did quote You know, a professor, Dr.
A Carson, he was a hip hop professor at the University of Virginia, and he said AI perfects the trend of making black art without black bodies. Basically, what Elvis did to black music can now be accomplished at scale. You can generate hip hop of all, all the fuss of engaging with humans and history and with the, the lived experience of humans born of that history.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. This is a problem. Okay. And we, we've, we've discussed in the past, you know, TikTok, where you have the dancers and they're like, look at this new dance I made. And you're like, dude, we see you following these five dancers and they're all black and you're not giving them any props. You're just taking their dances and repackaging it as your own.
What are you doing? We've seen this with, with, you know, definitely just music in general where. You'll have musical acts going on. Then somebody like an Elvis who's around black music, it's like, yeah, they don't want the black bodies, but they'll take the music, they'll take the art, they'll take the, the influences and they'll just remove that whole heart.
And yeah, it does come from a lot of what was going on during slavery where it's like, you know, send the, send them to figure it out and you know, that's, oh my God, I just had a mental connection here. You know how we were talking about ai. It's just like, Hey, I'm not even gonna figure it out. We'll just have the AI get all the information and data from these people, and when we don't have to worry about the artists, we don't have to worry about them.
We'll just get all their ideas and everything and basically do that over here with us. So now it's like, yeah, we don't need to have the actual people, the actual community. We'll just get all the stuff that we think is exciting, take that and make it our own. And this is a, this is a troubling trend in general, and especially for, for black people because of the history on both on both sides.
The history of having stuff taken and the history of taking stuff. Now, if you go online and start bringing some of this stuff up, you'll get a lot of pushback from people who are like, Dude, just on the internet, I can do whatever I want with it. And there's no, there's no reverence, there's no respect for, for the, for the art, for the content, especially when it's coming from, from black people, which is concerning.
So.
Theo: Well, and then I think the biggest thing to me was like, and, and you kind of hinted at this before, I spoke directly about it these models are trained on the internet and a lot of that's getting from real artists. And so how do you. Simulate Jay-Z style or how you simulate an artist's style. You have to learn it from somewhere.
Yes. It can create, you know, variations. Yeah. Instead of saying, you know, I grew up in Marcy, you might say, I grew up in the Bronx. I mean, it don't matter, you know, but it's still the same ki cadence and it's still kind of the same format because it learned it from
Mr.Benja: somewhere. Yeah. You go look at all. Look at, look at the test cases that have already come out with ai.
They tested it on Drake, they tested it on the weekend. They tested it on Jay-Z. They tested it on Biggie, they tested it on Eminem. He's, he's an outlier. So that's, that's one for five, right? But you don't hear about a lot of this stuff happening with, you know, they tested it on, gosh, who was that, that came in and shut the whole thing down?
Some, they tried to pull it on somebody and the whole thing got shut down quickly. I forgot who it was, but for the most part, It's like this idea that yeah, that doesn't belong to you, that belongs to everybody. It's like, wait, if this was, if this was a, a group of artists from another, you know, another culture, would this still be happening?
Or would it happen in the same way? Hmm. And it's like, it makes you really think that. It's like, well, no, of course of course that wouldn't happen. And it's like, eh, but it is happening in this case. So, yeah, I don't know, dude, I, I
Theo: always think about rap genius and how it was invented by white guys, right?
The ability to kind of get the lyrics from all rap songs that's not embedded inside of Spotify, so you know exactly what the song lyrics are. And so, you know, these are, I mean, that's kind of precursor to this. But, you know, think about all the time that went to create that, that art form. You know, back in the day we had to sit down and write pen and paper.
Oh, what'd he say again? Or, oh, I'm gonna learn this, or listen to the song over and over again until it hit our synopsis. And now people, you know, soon the song is out, they get all the lyrics right there and then, so, Yeah, this is yeah. You know, AI is definitely coming for everyone's jobs. And so, and, and, and someone made a good point.
You know, we, and I said this before, but we thought AI was gonna go for the, the, the menial workers first, right? The people working in grocery stores. The people just working in factories. Nah, dog. It's coming from the folks that make the most money, the most creatives man.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. Amen. So, watch out. Hey. It's, it's coming for you.
Speaking of problems coming for you, let's jump into story number five. Disney's got problems and we don't know why they're all happening at the same time. This is a Disney series of unfortunate events. Man, Theo, you're the resident Disney guy. What's going on with your boys over
Theo: at Disney? Oh, you gonna call me a Disney adult?
Well, guess what? I'm in Good company, man. I'm in good company. I found out man, John Stamos and Ryan Gosling are, and Chris Evans are Disney adults. So there you go, brother. Mm-hmm.
Mr.Benja: If they jumped off a, if they jumped off of the cliff they jumped off a magic mountain, would you do it too? Yeah, no I wouldn't.
Alright, so we got, we got the Disney Galactic Cruiser shutting down. Disney Plus is removing all types of content. We've got all these repeated fights with Disney and DeSantis, Florida and the G O P. We've got pushback from Disney being too woke, and then we have pushback from. Disney not being woken enough.
Shout out to the Black Lil Mermaid. We've got layoffs happening all over the place. Did I miss anything?
Theo: Nah, nah, you got it right man. You got it right. What's going on? What you do? This, this is basic business one on one, man. Oh, okay. They got a It is, it is. Too much cost, man. They gotta get rid of these costs, man.
They got a lot of debt. I mean, Igar, before he left, he bought, I think I forgot what the deal was, but the fox, right? The deal was like worth billions, right? Kind of like with H B O Max, I mean discovery, buying H h b, right? You got that much debt like we talked about. You gotta pay it off. And now interest rates are going through the roof.
And so, you know, you gotta gotta figure out, you gotta get more money some kind of way, or you got cut costs. I mean, that's the only way you grow up business. And so now you know they got cut costs and you know, they don't want to stop the growing. Infrastructure, which is, you know, somewhat of the, the, the, the streaming services.
But that still costs money to put all that content out. So yeah, it's got cut other places. And the Disney Cruiser, I mean, I, I heard it was great. I mean, I wanted to go check it out eventually, but $5,000 just wasn't ready yet for me to do. Check that out. But I know my my niece who works there, she checked out, says amazing immersive experience, but, and in this economy, too much man.
Think guy, let it go. Layoffs are just, you know, par for the course of big corporate America. And then the proposed big expansion, you know, they were gonna do that. That makes sense. I think it was that makes sense, you know, from that standpoint. But I did hear that they're still gonna move a lot of imagineers from California to Florida, so a lot of engineers will be Yeah.
Near here. So that helps with, you know, consolidation and probably cost of living, you know, expenses and stuff. For these, when I was. The imagineers is, you know, they're kinda run the Disney stories and, and they kind are contact the big project managers, right. For all the big Disney events and, and experiences.
Mm-hmm. So man, you know, I, I think it's just part for the course. He's just doing what he has to do to kind of keep the business viable and strong.
Mr.Benja: Okay. So the sounds bad from an outsider, could be me. Point of view is Is it really, it's really not that bad. It's just par for the course you're saying?
Theo: I think so. I mean, you know, I mean, you got a strong leader in Iger coming back, so he's got a lot of le political will to kind of do whatever he wants, and so that helps. I mean, he's been, I mean, he's been fighting some battles. I mean, he says he came back. I mean, I don't think he was, he thought he's gonna come back.
A conquering hero. Oh, yeah. Heel to the man. He came back and streamings in the toilet. I mean, he had to fight. DeSantis, right? And he's looked like he's getting up for hand on that. And now he's gotta make a decision on what he's gonna do with Hulu, right? They buy it. That's more, that's more stock, you know, I mean, excuse me, more, more debt they got.
Cuz they gotta pay off Hulu Comcast who owns 30% of Hulu you know, something like $9 billion, which, that's, that's more debt than going to get a girl, right? To kinda buy that. So it's like, but he's has no good choices. So, you know, I think it's just. Something he's gotta kind of think through Iger when it comes to where the business is going.
But, you know, he's cutting costs. So to me that sounds like they're gonna try to make a deal with Hulu, just like Loft is cutting costs over hbo o, you know? Mm-hmm. The. Max debacle because everyone knows in about two years you're probably gonna sell this thing over to nbc, Comcast. So, so it sounds like that's, that's where this is going.
Right? You know, we kind of think strategically Comcast is gonna get 9 billion from Disney and they're gonna use that $9 billion to buy up H B O discovery. Right. Or just, you know, and then now you're gonna have two studios. Instead of one. So it's gonna be interesting instead of like three at one time.
So so yeah, so I think it's core part for the course. Why do you feel like it's unsettling folks or people having issues with it?
Mr.Benja: I don't, I don't know. I, I, I am in, I'm actually in a Disney group, even though I don't really go to Disneyland or Disney World at all. And I just think it's fascinating and I hear them complaining about, oh, they're changing the, the system for, for your, you know, the, what do they call them?
The Magic Pass members, no, I forgot what it's called. Yeah,
Theo: yeah. Magic Pass Pass. Yeah. Pass Pass,
Mr.Benja: yeah. And all that. Yeah. So they're, they're always in there complaining about something and I, I'm like, okay, a lot of this is happening and it just seems like a lot from a negative point of view. So I'm looking at the news right now, and apparently, yeah.
The, the Imagineering, they're, they're gonna be hiring a bunch of people and. Actually hiring some people. In this article from Sin Cinema Blend, it says, two years ago Disney announced plans to move 2000 cast members to, to a new campus in Florida, but that's been pushed back until 2026. Mm-hmm. And I think, and they're saying it may be because.
They're mixing that plan to move them, or they're just spreading out the timeline. It's not sure, but then later on it says the plan is to spend 17 billion and hire 13,000 new cash members at Walt Disney World over the next decade are still in place. So I'm not sure what's going on. It's just, it's funny, it's when, when I think of Disney, I usually don't want to think of all this nonsense going on.
You know, you try to have Disney in your mind as a happy place and. Lately a lot of the news, it just seemed not as happy, especially with the closing of the Galactic Cruiser. I mean that that one was just like, yeah, it's the greatest thing ever. I'm gonna go next year. Actually, we're closing in September.
Yeah.
Theo: Aw, yeah. Everybody said that was a good experience and it as a Star Wars fan, you know, it's kind of like almost kind of have to go. Right. But you know, in time, you know, it's like, oh, you know. But yeah, I don't know. I
Mr.Benja: think that was a great experiment they had to have though, because now going forward it's like, If you want to do something that big, it's like, I'm gonna call one of those Disney guys, just get their experience on making something this dramatic, this far ahead.
Theo: And, and, and you know, and there's been some criticism as to, cuz I wrote the Neutron ride too recently. It's, it's okay. It's nothing, you know, just, you know, check home with and to the Galaxy Ride just got released what? Last year? It's okay. So, you know, there's some. Rumblings that Disney imaginary has lost a step, right?
So to your point, they can create something still immersive and, and, and, and truly mind blowing. Like you know, this, and even the Galaxy Edge ride, you know, I ride, you know that. That's okay. So I think there, there's hope that they can, you know, they go in their bag, they, they're ready to go if they, you want something to, to really blow your mind in the future.
So we'll see. Is there hope?
Mr.Benja: There it is.
Theo: Another that bad?
No.
Mr.Benja: Oh, man. Well, well, that is all I have for this one
Theo: man. Oh man, this is a good one, Mr. Benjamin. Man, I love it man. Anything going on real quick or good to go for the week? Hey man,
Mr.Benja: I am banging out content like a mofo and I'm just gonna keep on that, that trend, that roll. So during this talk with you, I got some ideas for new ways to keep banging it out.
Keep rolling it out. I'm Gary V and then
Theo: this be. No, I love it, man. Same here brother. I got some stuff coming out. So hey everyone. Thanks for listening. Please light subscribe and comment at show vs Business on Twitter, YouTube and Instagram. Listen to us at Spotify, iTunes, or wherever you listen to podcast.
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