Show Vs. Business
Show Vs. Business
SvB Ep190 Who's the Next Batman Villain to get an HBO Live-Action Adaptation?
For this week, we're gonna be touching a bit about the Elections and the Business Lessons we can take from it, Tyler Perry news, Batman talks and more!
This is rather a light episode but still packed with insights and information so kick back and tune-in!
00:00 Introduction and Catching Up
00:42 Nashville Trip Highlights
02:43 Election Season Insights
11:09 AI in Media and Entertainment
27:10 Corporations as Personalities
32:09 Wendy's Struggles and Business Decisions
34:46 Tyler Perry: Artist or Businessman?
36:46 Tyler Perry's Content and Audience
43:06 Batman Villains: Who Deserves a Series?
53:56 Rapid Fire: Batman's Rogues Gallery
58:02 Wrapping Up and Final Thoughts
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Introduction and Catching Up
Real Theo Harvey: This is show versus business where pop culture meets pop money with your host, the real deal, Harvey and Mr. Benja. So Mr. Benja, what's been going on?
Mr.Benja: Hey man, it's good to talk to you again as we do every week here. It's been quiet for me actually. And there's some things that came up not much news on Elon.
We got some election news that happened this week. We both been watching and talking about the Batman and onomatopoeia, but I think it's like the lull before the holiday storm of 2024 and before we start rolling in 2025. So I think that's just the vibe that we're feeling right now. So I don't know.
How have you been?
Real Theo Harvey: Man, thanks for asking. I'm doing wonderful, man.
Nashville Trip Highlights
Real Theo Harvey: I just got back from Nashville, Tennessee. Have you ever been to Nashville?
Mr.Benja: Very quickly. I, yeah, I went through Nashville, passed through, saw some things, but it was so fast I didn't really get a chance to soak it up.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, just one of those cities like outside of Atlanta starting to get a little hypeness around it And so I had a chance to go there for a conference and one of the reasons, Wow, we're recording this a day a little later of our typical recording schedule But yeah, man, I had a good time down there if you've been any of the gate lord convention centers Hotel stays resorts.
Have you been in any of those?
Mr.Benja: Probably
Real Theo Harvey: They're huge. Yeah. They're like like it's like a hotel, but it's it's so big and massive. They have a river in there where you can ride a boat. , they have a, no, I
Mr.Benja: haven't been around one of those then nevermind. Yeah,
Real Theo Harvey: they have a lot of 'em out there, man.
There's one in Orlando, not too far from me here in Tampa. They have one in, Nashville, one in dc, one in Dallas. I've been to a few of those, but yeah, so we had the conference there it's Christmas season, like you mentioned. So obviously it was I was there, what, October 31st, like Halloween, literally the tree was up, but the lights weren't turned on.
But as soon as it turned 12 or 1 a. m. November 1st, that, that bitch was turned up like Christmas everywhere. People do not wait, man. It is ready. It is Christmas season, man.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, man. I heard the Christmas. Christmas music already playing. There's some jazz version of a little drummer boy. It's like pop or rum pum.
And I was like, what the heck is this? Oh my goodness. How holiday music.
Real Theo Harvey: It is ready, man. We got two month mad scramble now. This is it. So yeah, man so yeah, so basically that's what my last conference for the year for my business and then now looking to, get a few more sales in, this is also oh, are we going to talk about Mr.
Benjamin James? Go ahead. Make a short real quick on this one, James. Go do it. If you guys don't know, that's our editor, James. We give him a shout out every now and then.
Election Season Insights
Real Theo Harvey: This is election season. And here in the States, United States, we have a big election coming up. Mr. Benja, obviously you and I are no longer in swing States.
So even here in Florida, they don't care about us in California. They damn sure don't care about you. So we're solid in our camps wherever that's red or blue, you guys to figure out which, which is which, but I have friends in Georgia, got friends in North Carolina, in Pennsylvania, Nevada, Ohio, we'll say a little Michigan.
Yeah, man, they've been being bombarded by ads, marketing, podcasts, say, please vote. How are you feeling about this election? We're not going to really go into the candidates per se guys on this pod. This is not that pod, but we made a moment.
Mr.Benja: Maybe it's just me getting older and a little more annoyed by the circus, the three ring circus, the shenanigans, but it's and maybe it's social media, maybe this is really different now.
We said it was really different, but combination of these things, I'm just like, Oh, just let it be done. Let it be over with already. Car, I got this book coming job booking where I'm talking about writing down notes and Hey, if you need to write something down and say it, do that and write when I'm doing that.
I see this. I see this post from, I won't say who, I see this post online and it's talking about Cardi B talking with her phone. She's so if and then come out, I'm like what are we doing here? And I'm not even gonna try to do the Cardi B accent, but it was just this whole thing of clearly these kids aren't voting.
Who are the kids listening to? Let's go to Cardi B,
Real Theo Harvey: it's just that pandering on both sides. I saw Beyonce out there. I've never heard Beyonce She didn't even sing. She just talked. I'm like, wow It's like I got Beyonce out here talking. They got JLo out here, you know get in the streets Then you know on the other side you got, you know showing up on Joe Rogan's podcast for three hours Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Showing up on Theo Vaughn's podcast. So it's to your point, they're trying to break through and then traditional media like CNN, ABC, they're like crying, Oh, they don't want to talk to us no more. And it just shows you the relevancy of how irrelevant they are now. And we, I talked about this before, but Daniel Priestly, the author of oversubscribe, he talked about this clearly. Presidential elections, especially United States are like the Super Bowl of marketing. So you find out what they're doing and how they're winning messaging. That's where the future of marketing is going. So you can see in this election.
So the example was, Obama used Facebook effectively. So Facebook was the new generation. Cambridge Analytica in 2016. They used the message, data analytics to segment, target folks in different categories. This election has been about going on podcasts, right?
Connected with influencers. And you can see they just, that's Trump has seen great leads in, men, young men because of that.
Mr.Benja: As long as I don't get anything too cringe, then I'll still stay invested. Like speaking of Cardi B, if she, if she comes out with the, an election song called DAP, then I'm done.
The D stands for Democrat there, by the way. We already know about
WAP. We
just don't want the DAP song coming out. Don't
Real Theo Harvey: do it. I'm trying to think, what would be the acronym though? Wait a minute. Same thing.
Same thing. Just replace W with Democrat.
Would it be? I don't want it.
Mr.Benja: I should have brought that up actually but
Real Theo Harvey: no I love it.
I love it. We gotta talk about it. I mean look we got One of the presidential candidates, I'm not going to say who, simulated oral sex. It is what it is. This is the election we're in. Said that one candidate was on the corner or at least someone shouted it and he laughed at it.
It's that type of election. The sad part is if, one side wins. It will emboden the other side to use their tactics for the future. So it'll be, I think it would be worse. So two things I predict, number one, yeah, this is my predictions. Number one, obviously if one side wins that is using methods that we feel are questionable, I won't say who, but I think people will take the wrong lessons from that and start trying to emulate that to win all elections, which would be pretty cool.
A terrible mess, right? So just people just saying whatever, lying, trying to come up with stuff, and that would be mess. And then the second lesson, I think I don't think elections can be boring anymore. Anyway, I think we have to do this. Even on the democratic side, they have to uproot.
They had to basically kick the president, the current president out in order to make it interesting again, because if they didn't, they were going to lose. So it gets to a point where both parties have to figure out what's going to be the most interesting or the thing that's going to grab the attention of most of the populace, because we're also busy with so much content.
The algorithms never leave us alone. The bots never leave us alone. So how do you break through that? And you have to come up with, Either a controversial candidate or some kind of craziness that happens. And that's what happened on both sides this election year. Yeah, man, unfortunately I think this is the future of politics craziness.
What do you think? You think my prediction is accurate? Oh, I can't hear you, Mr. Benja. Can you hear me? We are out. So why Mr. Benja is trying to get back online. Maybe it's on my side to you guys. So we're gonna figure this out. But look, we don't talk politics on this that often. So what we try to do is just try to get people excited about what's possible and not just elections, but just building your business and also the entertainment aspect and all the lessons you can learn from it.
And nothing more entertaining than the election. And in my opinion, it's just fascinating how these folks are pandering and doing everything they can to keep you engaged in this. Ongoing struggle to get your vote. So that is fascinating to me. So I think those are some of the things we're trying to figure out whoever depends on who they win then it's going to be interesting to see, what's the next phase of this going forward.
Yeah, it's just very fascinating to me to see, you know where we can build this coalition for the future of politics, but also for marketing. So we're learning a lot here. Yeah, so I don't know, man. So it's just going to be one of those things. So look, if you like politics, this ain't that kind of pod.
But, I think we there's lessons. We can all learn to understand what the next level could be. For for the future. Yeah. So anyway we went for Mr. Benji to get back on, I think some of the things that I try to think through is what's the future of marketing.
Cause that's, I'm building my business. I have, this is a labor of love guys. If you didn't know what me and Mr. Benja do every week to give you guys the latest on politics and technology and everything like that, Mr. Benja, what's up? Can you hear me? Oh man. I cannot hear you, Mr.
Benja. I don't know if it's on my side or your side. So can you hear me? Test, Mr. Benja. Are you there? Are you there? They're there. Oh, wow. He can hear me fine. But guys, I can't hear him. Oh, no, this is not good. I don't know how we're going to do this. Oh, there he is. He's back. Hold on. Hold on.
He's back. Oh, my God. What happened?
Mr.Benja: No, I decided to check all the basics here. You know how they say. Make sure, did you turn the power back on? Did you turn it on and off? Something may have happened. I may have brushed up against my, the little cord here and it hit the audio off button.
Real Theo Harvey: Hey, he's back.
That's all that matters. Mr. Benja. I was riffing man for, I was riffing. I was doing my thing talking about the election, man. We might have lost some subscribers while you were gone. Sorry.
Mr.Benja: Oh my gosh. Oh, this is how we keep it, man. We keep it real and raw. Raw. Uncut.
AI in Media and Entertainment
Mr.Benja: Hey man, you know what you could do though is replace me with an AI broadcaster. I don't know if you've heard about people doing this And I've wondered about this sometimes where it's like, Hey, you know what, if I want to go on vacation, can I just throw up an AI version of myself?
And apparently people are trying this Theo, you sent me this this link here, this article about a Polish broadcaster with let me just read the story here real quick. Polish radio station launched a channel run almost entirely by artificial intelligence, including having AI presenters, and they've decided to end that experiment after less than a week on the air following backlash against the idea.
Theo, what's going on in the, in Poland?
Real Theo Harvey: We talked about this that's another one of my predictions is the prevalence of AI influencers starting to take over for traditional, basically human based jobs, like interviewing people, hosting a podcast it's starting to, Proliferate.
And I think the backlash from Poland came from people who used to work at the radio station, right? Saying, Hey, this is taking jobs away from us. And I think this is going to be something we'll see more and more of. I tell people all the time, once it gets good enough, if it can replace people as a business owner, your biggest costs.
If you can get a, I to do a lot of this stuff for you, whether it's do, we'll talk about maybe later computer use or agents to do actual physical work and in front of camera or interviewing people and people, or even as sales, like sales development. Representatives who reach out to potential customers to set up a cold calls, man, that's a game changer, man.
So it's unfortunate that people are starting to realize there's more and more.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. You know what? It's it's interesting because there's the human side that wants to hold on to, Hey, let's, Let's keep people around. Let's keep let's keep the actual human person to person connection for certain things.
And if you're talking about a podcast, a lot of times you want to actually hear people and even just the knowledge of no, this isn't a real person. This is just. Some AI construct pulling information off the internet and constructing a presentation or a show for you, that alone is enough to and you back off from it because even with cartoons and things like, yeah, they're not real, there are people behind the scenes drawing allegedly writing allegedly, and actually voicing these characters allegedly, so we think that, okay, this is actually developed by someone.
And there's that real connection to it. And that's where a lot of people get confused with art. It's like, why would I pay, a hundred thousand dollars for this? A couple of scribbles on some cheap, paper and earth. And it's the idea there's the person there's this and that there's this whole human discussion going on, but when it gets, mechanized or turned to a machine it's, it loses a lot, man.
I don't know. How do you feel? How do you feel about a lot of this? Just. In the stuff we have and do.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, man, you can tell by my shoulder. Struck shrug. I'm believing that I think it is what it is, man. I absolutely believe in our lifetime. We will see a celebrity AI. And that would be, a game changer, because if you can figure out how to get something popular, that's artificial, then, but if it never happens, it doesn't happen in a lifetime.
If it doesn't happen in the next five years, then maybe it won't happen. So I don't know. Is there uncanny valley that. AI can never cross, right? We talked about, what makes a celebrity being authentic being, and they can never be truly authentic. They can create a, they will almost have to hide the fact that it's an AI for a while before maybe it's revealed like 10 years later, the celebrity you've known for 10 years, guess what?
It's been AI the whole time, so I don't know, because. You think about the big celebrities like Taylor Swift or Beyonce or, there's a sense, there's a sense that you know them and, but will people readily accept an AI feel like they know them? I think they can.
Cause I think human beings, cause I hate to say it. I seen my daughter, who's 12 years old on internet and social media. They just believe what they see. And here without really doing any critical thinking about what that is. And it'd be curious to see what happens in the next five years.
So we do create a big time celebrity that's AI generated. It's a wrap.
Mr.Benja: One of the things that we're going to have to fight against is you only have in these industries, you only have a very small amount of people who actually care about the integrity of something, right? Like you have a very small group of people.
It's they always call it the artist artists or, someone's building a home and they're like, Hey, if you're going to build a home to this standard, you're only going to have a certain number of architects who know how to do it, but those certain few architects are upholding the standards of classic architecture and the human side of things.
They're like, yeah, we're not just going to allow this and this to happen. If you want to do that, we're out of the project. Same thing with a lot of movies. It's Hey, listen, if you're going to do X, Y, and Z with AI, I'm sorry. We, the big players are out of the project. And you can think about that with food and chefs and it's there's certain people who are like, yeah, you're not just going to feed me this fake food or this whatever, but when you get outnumbered by the amount of people that just don't care, like somebody will walk into a restaurant and Hey, give me a, this kind of, give me a McRib and somebody in the meat industry is like, dude, that's not even real meat.
That's not, it's yeah, I don't care though. I just don't care. There are too many people that just don't care. And, when the money and the labor and the infrastructure all starts to lean towards. The majority of people who don't care, that starts to tailspin out of control in a lot of different areas because anything that you care about, there's 99 people who don't, I care about, I care about real turf on the football field, I want that real grass and it's like a lot of people like that cost too much, it's like, what do you do?
Real Theo Harvey: No, I agree. I was just thinking about beyond meat. You remember that was like the big thing. Everybody's Oh, we're going to be eating beyond me. Everybody loves it. And Wendy's and Burger King got beyond meat burgers and all this stuff. And then that was a trend. And then people was like, ah, this don't taste good.
I don't want no more. And so now it's dead. So to your point, it's no matter what you're passionate about that enough people. If there's not enough people, there's not tipping point, maybe that's a better accurate kind of description where there's enough people to push it to the scale of the masses that it's just not going to get anywhere.
And yeah, I agree. I think I don't know where that would be with this AI kind of influencer, but I do feel like that. We'll see more and more of that. And, but guess what? The actors are not taking a sitting down. Did you hear what Robert Downey Jr did?
Mr.Benja: Oh I heard a little bit about this.
RDJ doesn't want AI RDJ, apparently. Something along that line. What's the story?
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. Robert Downey Jr., right? Fame, Iron Man's coming back as Dr. Doom. Go check out our podcast. We talked about that. Yeah, man. He basically is trying to prevent AI companies from using his digital likeness, right?
His voice, his image. He said, I intend to sue all future executives who recape my likeness. Yeah. So I don't know how you do that, but I'm assuming some kind of trust or something, you set up. And basically you keep paying a retainer to a legal firm to be on the watch out for any A. I. Type of likeness that's out there of him into perpetuity.
And so I think that's what he's going to set up. And we heard about this. Let me finish my statement here, but I think, with Scarlett Johansson, right? The whole her, she used her voice for a movie called her, which was about A. I. Artificial intelligence. Then basically there was a demo at open AI that used a voice that sounded just like her.
After the fact that comes to find out, they tried to negotiate with her to be the voice of open AI chat GPT. So it's got, and she said, no. So it goes to show you that these artists on pins and needles about how their image is being used. And the sad part is, It's probably already taken, these AI engines from open AI and other companies have already sucked up a lot of internet.
So I'm sorry, RDJ, but your image is already in the matrix.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. And you know what, this is a good point. I'm just looking at this variety article where he's talking and Robert Downey Jr. says, I'm not worried about. Them, talking about the MCU. I'm not worried about the MCU hijacking my character's soul because there's three or four guys and gals who make all the decisions there anyway and they would never do that to me with or without me and this is yeah, that's exactly what I was talking about where it's like you have to have those people who care and you know somebody else, the Carus Wisher responded with future executives certainly will hijack your character.
And it's slowly over time, you start to chip away at the caring about, the humanity of it all because, and I don't know if we can care. I just, I really.
Real Theo Harvey: It's funny. It's hilarious. He said this is what Robbie Downey Jr responded. He said you're right. I would like to. To hear state that I intend to see all future executives just on spec.
So that's fighting words, so basically that's another way of saying on site, right? If you come from, certain communities on site, he said he told her he said, look. Swisher noted, you'll be dead down. He said, but guess what? My law firm will still be very active.
So yeah, that's pretty much what he's going to be doing. Yeah, man, these, this AI stuff is, man, it's truly is a game changer. We'll talk about a computer. Use, how's that change in game with AI agents and how, you can create a laptop to basically do the work of eight different employees with a simple prompt.
So that, that's something we'll talk about maybe on another podcast, but yeah, man, it's AI stuff is becoming more and more prevalent. And it's gonna be indistinguishable right from a human being, at least digitally. And so we talked about this to trust is probably going to be in person events will probably be the standard bear for true.
Authenticity, right? Because we're not going to know the difference online, in my opinion.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. That, and that's, I think where things become special you can look to the music industry for that, where it's not so special to get a lot of streams and so special to be online. But when someone shows up and Kanye West just showed up in China and did his big Korea and China.
He showed up both those places, I believe recently with the new album and just has a listening party, not necessarily even a concert, just a listening party. And, it's selling out and making a lot of money. And this is where they're getting a lot of their backing with that in person touch that, that connection.
Man, I just don't know what the future is going to hold because I'm thinking about the things I care about. And then there's some things I don't care about. And huh, it's going to be strange.
Real Theo Harvey: Just the business side, right? I think is a positive thing. If you're an entrepreneur, if you're business minded, this is a huge opportunity, right?
You could create something at little to no cost, right? Just got to be careful of who you use. I'm a big proponent of people. Of open source. A. I could, and unfortunately, this is under the preview of of Zuck, right? Zuckerberg, right? Yeah, trying to keep this open AI system, but at least, how's it being created? How's it being used? How they think it through stuff. So the technology may be behind, but at least you have more control over the technology and start developing, man. Use your ingenuity to create something that's unique and different in the world and create value.
But if you're just a worker bee, even artists, I think artists got to think differently, man. As a business guy, I would say as artists think differently, how can you incorporate, AI into your vision of art, I think AI is a tool just like any other tool. And so you're going to have to make it your own.
Make it your bitch, just like a paintbrush or just like a canvas. And so anyway, so that's my two cents as the business guy. I'm like salivate. Oh man. Look at all the cost savings, man. I could just sit in my room and just make it. I literally, I told my business partner, I said, I could have five computers in place.
Every employee
Mr.Benja: Until somebody at Google clicks a button and their AI creates better code systems than you do. And. What do you, I'm just saying it can come from anywhere. Just I'm not for, what the business
Real Theo Harvey: thing is. The thing is, so the bit, the thing with business though Google wouldn't go in certain industries because it just wouldn't move the needle fast enough for them.
Yeah. They're a multi billion dollar company. So I'm selling freaking, baby toys to eight year olds. You think Google gonna try to take all my business? No, I can create an avatar that's targeted to them. I'm saying the more you niche, riches and niches, right?
The more you niche down.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. Isn't this what Amazon did with like diapers. com and countless other little industries where they slowly chipped them away? And it's you know what? Just wasn't worth it.
Real Theo Harvey: To your point, I think there is a fair argument to that if there, if it's perceived as a commodity product.
Okay. Your role as a value creator is to create brand awareness around it. It can't be just a diaper. It's gotta be a diaper with a blue sticker. Don't you want that blue sticker? That blue sticker means quality, the best products, right? And so that, that's the, that's what you have to create.
You have to create a brand awareness and build that niche. So even if Google comes in for a lower price. Yeah, but Google don't use the price I use and it don't got that blue sticker.
Mr.Benja: I want to get my diapers from Diane down the street. That's how the brand situation is going to play out.
There was this guy online. I forgot who it was. He had this theory about how everything gets hyper localized in the era of 3d printing, AI cheap computing and access to internet and all this. So everything becomes hyperlocal once again, where it's yeah, I'm technically getting all of my basics, maybe from Amazon or whatever, but once you get past the basics, it's yeah, I only want to wear jackets, made, made in Southern Florida, or I only want to get my, and everything else starts to get really weird and esoteric yeah, I don't buy Tim's.
Everybody in New York wears those. I'm just going to get my converse all stars. I'm out here in LA. That's what I wear, but it's going to get hyper, more hyper localized, according to this theory, valid thought. Yeah, I can see
Real Theo Harvey: that.
I can
see that. I can see that because, Guess what?
Hey, I can make that possible. You can be specifically targeted with AI to even have unique messaging for each one of your millions of customers. And so now you're very super specifically targeted right to your audience with the help of AI to help you do that. So like I said the opportunities of AI is, and so artists, look, let's be honest.
Yeah. In the history of mankind anybody that's put their finger in the In the wall before a flood, right? Trying to stop the water from coming through a wall brick wall never ended up well, right? The flood came, the dam broke and everybody got flooded anyway, right? So it's you can't stop it. You can't stop the flow of technology, man.
I hate to say it, but you just can't. The only thing you can do is just see the flow coming. Oh, wow. There's some leaks in this wall. This damn, let me go build a boat and be prepared right when it comes. So when that damn breaks, Woo. I'm riding away. I don't get drowned by it. Ooh, that's good. I gotta write that down.
Bars. You can't, you gotta ride that wave, man. You can't put, be the Dutch boy sticking your finger in the holes, man, from a leaking dam. You gotta ride it. Anybody that says they're gonna sue and all this other stuff, man, which is fine, but it doesn't, it's not gonna stop the flow of this technology.
Mr.Benja: Nah, nah, definitely not.
Corporations as Personalities
Mr.Benja: What happens when You know, we're talking about online and being connected to people in a what happens when corporations start becoming more like people. I want to bring this one up because we've seen it happening slowly, but surely where. You've got companies like Wendy's is a good example.
We talked about them a little earlier, McDonald's, Dove, Duncan. They're these companies that are putting themselves out there as if they were people, right? Like you're talking to them. And it's funny, there was this There was this TikTok out there where somebody had cut together all of these corporations talking to each other on social media, like without us.
And we're just spectating and we're like, Oh, I like this. Oh, I like that comment. Oh my gosh, Jack in the box. You so funny. And then Wendy's comes in and comments and no, they're not funny. They're just, full of grease and they're cracking on their burgers and everything. And this one thread, as it said, it had caught.
Contributions from McDonald's, Wendy's, Dove, Duncan, Palmer's, Jack in the Box, Land O'Lifts, JetBlue, Teletubbies, Scrub Daddy, Walgreens, and Value City Furniture, and probably some others, but all of these corporations talking to each other. So the whole thing about corporations being people, it's starting to get more real.
Does that bother you?
Real Theo Harvey: No, not at all. I still question that per se, Mr Benja, because, I'm a proponent of what Alex Amosi talked about previously said it's just hard to have a company As a brand, just by itself because people connect to people number one and then, it's hard to be aspirational to a entity you need Nike have Michael Jordan, be like Mike.
So you have to have somebody to be like, and that's what makes you gravitate you toward the brand. He says brands are associations, right? So you want to be like, Mike, get a Nike. You like Wendy's. Be a king, right? So there's association to an individual or status or something like that.
And yeah, I will, we'll see. It could happen, but but why did all these, Burger King, McDonald's, they always had some kind of avatar, right? Some like the clown, right? Ronald McDonald, or the king, something that people can aspire to. McDonald's reminds you of a fun time, as a kid, yeah, clowns are not fun anymore.
Yeah. Mascots. Yeah. Clowns are not fun anymore, it is what it is. But I don't know, I just don't see them become fully ingrained into the consciousness as something to aspire to, or people know their brands and they're like, it is what it is. And they have certain symbols and stuff like that.
Like for instance, I was telling them, I was at the conference this weekend and go with my marketing team. And we were talking about that. I was driving down the street and I saw this big, Capital G on a building. And the first thing I thought was what Google, but it was different colors. I was like, what is this?
It was another company camera was called maybe a pharmaceutical company, but I was like,
Google owns a capital G now, baby, even that they may not own the trademark of it legally, they own it in our consciousness. And so I think it's hard, yes, they can own symbols and letters and numbers, maybe, but I just hard pressed to see them own it.
In our consciousness as an association of something to aspire to. If that makes sense.
Mr.Benja: Have you ever been On a social media post and people are commenting back to the corporation as if they're having a conversation. I haven't seen it.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, I've seen it. So yeah. Tell me more about that.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. See, I don't know. I'm just watching what people, what I think people are doing or what might be a thing, but. It was so interesting just for me to see all these corporations talking to each other on social media. And we talked about the dead internet earlier, where it's this is supposed to be a social platform where people talk to each other, but now it's not, it's this spectacle and.
You got corporations basically talking to each other and everybody following along and listening and deciding to cast our vote for Wendy's or cast our vote for Burger King or McDonald's. It's just this very strange thing. And, so how does this start to move into our consciousness more? I was wondering about, I was thinking about customer service, right?
You've got these customer service chatbots that are AI now, and then you call into a company and you're, you get the phone messages, done. It's hard for you to press buttons. Now. Now you have to talk to them. You have to talk to the robot and it's I just want to press three to select this.
And they're like, please say whether you want to go forward or backwards. I'm like, I don't want to say anything. I just want to press one or two, man.
Wendy's Struggles and Business Decisions
Mr.Benja: Come on. And then force you to say, I don't know if you've ever experienced those call in numbers, but it's just this weird thing. And. We'll have to do a deep dive on the whole AI business, but I don't know.
Apparently though it's not helping out Wendy's too much because they're closing a lot of locations. I don't know what Wendy's thinks it's doing. We talk
about Wendy's a couple. Didn't we talk about Wendy's? A couple of weeks ago on the pod, talking about that saucy nugs. Yeah, you were excited about the saucy nugs, so I, against my best wishes, we posted the saucy nugs. It was fun.
What's going on with these guys?
Real Theo Harvey: And businessmen be businessmen, they got cut, they get cut costs look, they have another outdated and located out underperforming area. So have you been to a Wendy's lately?
No there's one around the corner,
Mr.Benja: not too far from me, but it's off in the cuts.
So I never go to it and never see anybody in the parking lot.
Real Theo Harvey: There you go. That's why
Mr.Benja: they tell me,
Real Theo Harvey: yeah, it's, this is not hard. People are cutting costs because I'm performing assets and people are not doing what they should be doing to keep the. The value of the property going.
And if you can't do that, then of course it's going to have to close the asset down. So I see that happening more and more, wendy's still a brand and so it can still value is just, they just had to cut it in certain areas. It's a go to, but let's be honest, there's no staple.
Burger King has a Whopper whatchamacallit McDonald's, big Mac, you have Yeah. Happy meal too. So they got iconic, food items. What what's it called? Chick fil a. The nuggets. But it's like what's Wendy's known for? Maybe the frosty, but that can't be the
Mr.Benja: margins was, yeah, I'd say that's faded out.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. So it's what, the burgers ain't the greatest or is not, that square burger, who wants that or no, I think that's White Castle, but see, White Castle has a different
Mr.Benja: brand. They do this, they do they do square, square meat patties because it's actually cheaper.
They had a whole process around developing a square meat patty I saw on the Wendy's documentary.
Real Theo Harvey: Look at you, watching documentaries on Wendy's. I love it.
Mr.Benja: Yeah,
Real Theo Harvey: man. Business one on one.
Mr.Benja: Yes. You think Tyler Perry eats at Wendy's?
Real Theo Harvey: He may have back in the day. Not now. Consider his net worth.
Go ahead. Go ahead.
Tyler Perry: Artist or Businessman?
Real Theo Harvey: Tyler Perry, man, I guess this is an interesting transition for us. But I guess I wanted to bring it up a little bit on this pot. It's the quintessential. Show versus business conversation, right? Is Tyler Perry a better artist or better businessman?
Mr.Benja: Wait, that's a question?
Real Theo Harvey: No. Yes.
The results say that he's a better businessman. Man, if he's worth 1. 4 billion
in assets,
now, is he a good artist?
Mr.Benja: It's funny though. He's definitely got his audience. So when someone has their audience, I can't knock the artistry too hard because if they have their audience and they're always doing their thing for their audience and their audience comes out and shows support, then that's an art on a certain level.
I just might not understand. And I'm like, cool. That's what you're into. That's your thing. Go ahead and do it. His, because we talked about this Rotten Tomatoes score last time and it was just terrible. But then, you look at all the comments and people are like, raving over his stuff.
What are you
talking about? It was good. It had this and this. It was fun. Good for the family.
Y'all
stupid.
It was just like, end of discussion. Get out of my face with that. On a, what was it? On a horrible Rotten Tomatoes score. I can't even, I want to say, was it in the teens?
Real Theo Harvey: I can't recall, man.
But then he had a brand, right? It was a pony. It was supposed to be, Judeo Christian values, right? It was dressed up with a black man in a dress, which is, something that's no at this point, but fine, but. With his latest for a way into like donation on streaming.
I remind you, everyone, he has all these shows on BET plus that he just puts out there, and he pretty much owns BET at this point, but he's got relationship with Netflix, Amazon, Hulu. So basically he can put, any kind of content out there.
Tyler Perry's Content and Audience
Real Theo Harvey: He's been migrate over into the R rated stuff, man.
So this latest one called beauty in black, it debuted at number two with 1. 2 billion minutes watched for the week of October 25th to October 31st. But I had a chance to go see the. See the movie. I went ahead and watched it for personal reasons. That's how I'm a Tyler Perry fan. But a shout out to Uncle Rico.
My uncle plays one of the characters in there. He's an actor out of L. A. Been a long time actor. If you go watch Aliens, he was Lieutenant Frost, and so he's been acting for a long time. So you got cast in this Tyler Perry show. And it's Not my cup of tea, Mr. Benja. Not at all. And I see why I haven't liked Tyler Perry for a long time.
From an artistry standpoint, it's just I don't, you're right, he has his audience. Don't know who the audience is, man, at this point, because at one time it was by, Judeo Christian, Black, audience, church going audiences, because that's how he got started. But when you have something where every other word out of people's mouth is MF this, you that, choking women.
misogynistic extreme character swings where men is smiling your face, things, man, they shoot me in the head with a gun. You just what is this show about? And I guess he's going for that tell a no novella where it's just like a stream, like a soap opera kind of thing.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's just not my cup of tea, man. So anyway, it's but you're right. He's got a hard ones.
Mr.Benja: So I want to, I got the numbers here now. I made a mistake may a culpa was his previous title or one of his previous titles that got 18 percent on Rotten Tomatoes from the critics divorce in the black.
Scored a 0 percent on the tomato meter for the critics. Now the audience score is at 73%. So this is the disparity I was talking about, but a 0 percent that's hefty. These critics were just tearing into it. It's just. Nicholas Bell talking about yet another narrative, master meta metastasized between the ineptitude of Tyler Perry's quill, the worst in the black and exploitative odyssey of the black community.
And so far for cliches, ironically, Nicholas Bell does not look like he's a part of the black community and he doesn't care about soap opera cliches. I'm pretty sure a lot of people who liked it are in that community. So yeah, to your point, novellas.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. And So a little behind the scenes when my dad who spoke to my uncle about it and hey, maybe we'll get uncle Rico on a pie.
We'll see, I'm going to reach out to him. Maybe he'll tell us some more insights on the business of just what does it mean to create Tyler Perry type shows? Cause he's going to be coming back for season two. He told me, so it'll be interesting, but Look the way Tyler Perry does it, man. He writes so many shows, right?
He's out there. We'll talk about another career who does so many shows, but, and from my understanding, he goes out to his island where he just writes all these shows. So every show he's create is always says written. Produce and directed by Tyler Perry and I guess the way he does it. Yeah. And Donald Glover hinted at, I don't know if you watched the Atlanta episode where he did like a mock up of Tyler Perry, but basically it's like they, they have all these cameras everywhere and people just act and they get one take, maybe two and okay, go to the next scene and basically, wait, Things done in post so he can get through the day to get, so he can get pages done.
It might take, people like three months to get a series done he can get done in, in, in a month because he just has so much content and he is got all these editors that cut it down, he rewrites it in editing bay to how this is gonna be the most sensational, I guess if it's scene is boring or whatever, he's gonna spice it up with a gunfight that it don't matter how, if the gunfight makes sense, just.
It makes it, it makes the scene interesting. So let's just do that.
Mr.Benja: So he's got his audience and his process streamlined. And he does everything in house or a lot of it is done in house. So that's another way that he keeps his money together. And you said he was worth 1. 4 billion. Billion. I love it.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. I'm mad
Mr.Benja: at it.
Real Theo Harvey: As black guys, we can't be mad at the player, but I'm mad at the game.
Mr.Benja: I figured I'd be the one mad at the game, but maybe I saw his documentary Maxine's baby, which is it was on Amazon. I'm not sure if it still is, but that's actually worth watching. It's, have you seen it?
Real Theo Harvey: No, I think. You told me about it and my wife told me, so I'm going to check it out. It gives you more clarity on, Oh no, my barber told me, he said, you guys should watch it too.
So
Mr.Benja: yeah, you definitely don't have to be a Tyler Perry fan. It's not one of those types of documentaries. It's just an interesting insight into this person who's so driven. Connected and yes, the title makes sense later on, about part of the way through, you're like, Oh, you start to get a little bit of the vibe of what he's going for.
But one interesting thing is. He plays these roles as he's working, which is the fascinating part. Like you say, writer, producer, director, when you see him writing, he like, doesn't want to talk to people. He's head down. And then when you see him directing, you see him like, okay, I need to get my direction mode.
You'll see him go Calling out orders and people are like Oh, snap. He's on. And then it's just this fascinating jump between all these different ways of working in one person. And it hints at the fact that he might not be well. So it's good stuff.
Real Theo Harvey: Gotcha. Okay. Like this is show versus business, so we cover all aspects of it.
So like I said, maybe we'll get Uncle Rico on the call on the pod. He may give us some insights behind the scenes. So he's worked on TV shows like Dr. Who and Aliens, Tyler Perry. So he covers a gambit. Matter of fact, he was the one to introduce me to Denzel Washington. I didn't know who that was back in the day.
I'm like,
who's Denzel Washington? So yeah they go play ball with Dizzo Washington. I'm like,
who, so there you go. That gives you context of where I come from. And for those that don't know, I grew up in LA. So James, go ahead, rack this one up as a short
Mr.Benja: guess.
Real Theo Harvey: All right. What's next, Mr. Benji.
Mr.Benja: Hey so we've been doing some random stuff this time.
Batman Villains: Who Deserves a Series?
Mr.Benja: You want to do a little bit of a feature, talk a little bit about a Batman kind of thing we had going
on.
Oh man. I'm always down to talk about Batman. It's not black Batman week, but we're going to talk about it anyway. So we were just wondering, we're, we've been talking about the penguin, the HBO series here and there, max series.
What are they calling it now? HBO series or max series. Anyway. The new series has been getting compared to the Sopranos and a lot of solid reviews and we started wondering, okay, we know the Batman villains are wonderful. We know they've got so much depth and lore and really add to the whole mystique of Batman and Gotham City and the dark side of DC, the gritty side, who are some other characters that would be good for the Batman treatment?
For the penguin treatment for this new era of gritty, realistic, grounded drama series treatment. So we threw out, we just, we're just going to have some names here and we're just going to throw them out and bat them back and forth a little bit. And I don't know, Theo, if you have a favorite, you can jump in whenever you'd like and start with that, but we can do a back and forth and just pick a name from the hat and we'll discuss it a little bit.
How's that?
Real Theo Harvey: Hey, let's do it, man. Let me know. Let's go.
Mr.Benja: All right. Who do you want to start with?
Real Theo Harvey: I think that the one I always go back to because it seems like that's the one they go back to, especially in the early point of Batman's career to face. It's just, I didn't think he was the greatest villain.
Seems simplistic and a little bit, flip a coin, you live or die. Don't seem as a big mastermind. Maybe I've never read the the all encompassing to face, right? Crime drama, right? We got some, we'll talk about other villains later, but I do feel like in relationship to Batman and Bruce Wayne, he's a perfect mirror, right?
And cause he, Bruce Wayne knew him when he was Arthur Dent and they were friends and now he's one of his villains and he's also. Split just like Batman, where Batman, wears a mask to distinguish between Bruce Wayne. Yeah. Batman, Two Face has his mask always on his positive face.
Yeah.
So I think Batman, whenever he sees them, he just reminded of where he messed up or, who he could have become. And so I think that's why it would be interesting to see just Two Face's out in the streets. I think.
Mr.Benja: I think that's an understated, but a great choice because, if you're talking about storytelling, you can always have the simplistic kind of black and white, good and evil, and you have that wrapped up in one person who, whatever side that person picks, whatever side Harvey Dent picks, the good side of the bad, he's going to have to live with it.
And you see that in the way his stories play out, where it's okay. I'm going to do this and everybody he's around, everybody that's around him just has to deal with it. They're like, Okay. Now we're doing this. So with probability, the coin toss, at the end of an episode, he's like, all right, am I going to go this way or this way?
And you're like, Oh crap. What is he going to do? And he flips a coin cut to black. It's like next episode, you're just like, Oh my gosh. I don't know what's going to happen. He just made a crazy question and flip the coin. And you could almost do that every episode and just have a cliffhanger on how it's going to turn out.
I just think that makes for very good television and an interesting character wrestling with this.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, I think that's a good point. Just think about also his connection to the gangster world, right? That's, penguin. You talked about penguin. That's absolutely immersed in that world. So if you guys don't know Batman, they had a year.
It was a year. 1 year 2 story. The long Halloween and penguins based on a lot of that. storyline, right? With the Falcons and and the Salvatores and like their battle to control Gotham. So basically before Gotham became a rogue's paradise for Batman, right? It was run by gangsters. And so that goes to show you too, man, Batman may have brought the weirdness to Gotham, right?
He was trying to prevent crime. He may have made it worse. Let's be honest. So anyway what's it called? Escalation. They talked about that on the Batman trilogy. But anyway yeah, so I think, yeah, I think that would be a good one. You want me to say one next? So I guess the one I would, oh, I did start.
Okay. Yeah. Which you got.
Mr.Benja: All right. Actually Victor Zazz Serial killer. And he's got, if he, the only noticeable mark about him is that he's bald headed and he's got tally marks, the, one, two, three, four slash five marks all over his body. And these are times that he's killed somebody.
What I didn't know and just recently found out is that he. Was very successful. He owned his own international company. He had a huge personal fortune and at 25 his parents died in a boating accident that sent him into a deep depression and it was a series of unfortunate events. And you just see somebody who's on top of their game going crazy through all after all these events to the point where he wants to start marking off.
People literally and figuratively and just like getting rid of them. Yes, this person is a part of the problem. I had issues and I know what these people can do. So I'm just going to get rid of that kind of person. Oh, that person lied on TV and they person did this. They're the type of people that caused my downfall.
I got to get rid of that person. So it definitely wouldn't be a happy type of series. Maybe you're dealing with some dark form of Dexter, going around, but.
Real Theo Harvey: I was thinking the same thing. I
Mr.Benja: just thought of Victor's ads would be a good one.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. Dexter was interesting. Remember when it came out, it's is this dude really going to kill somebody?
And he sure did in the first episode. This is real. So yeah, that was like the first time, the main character is literally a serial killer. So just so yeah, it could be done. I don't know, serial killers. It seems like they've been done to death. I have a theory that because they, I think they're doing serial killers so much.
It's I think I read somewhere it's hard, it's harder to be a serial killer nowadays. In a traditional sense, if you're out there, gang, basically, shooting folks up and doing whatever, in one setting. Yes. That's considered that, but.
A traditional where we grew up, right? The Zodiac or Wayne Gracie, those guys that are out there and, doing their thing because of the internet and sloops and just all kinds of stuff. It's just very hard to have that. So I don't know how believable it would be, but, we'll see.
Yeah. All right.
So who do you got next? Yeah, who do I get next? So this is the Batman's Rose Gallery of, shows. Got so many, man. It's not even funny. That's funny. We haven't said this one yet, but and I think it's because this character is So unknown, they always make up his backstory whenever, whatever is important, but wouldn't it be great to get the definitive like Joker, story, or just insight into, he was, I do like the killing joke, right?
You read that one, Alan Moore. Series about like he just average Joe just had a bad day, right? So anybody can be the joker. I'm crazy, to be someone that super intelligent, and be honest with you. Look, a lot of these guys they did this a little bit. Did Gotham series?
Yeah, I
did.
Yeah. I didn't see all of it, but I saw bits and pieces. They did a great job with the penguin, the Riddler, we'll talk later, Joker, they did a proto Joker, it was interesting how they did that. I'm not going to spoil it, but basically they cheated a little bit, but yeah.
So I don't know, it'd be interesting. I don't know. Let's see what would be a synonymous kind of show. The only show they did, that was interesting. Did you ever see a Legion at all?
Yeah. I saw a little bit of that.
Remember, it's about I forgot the he's basically, it's Charles Xavier's son.
I forgot the character's last name, but David something. But, he's a mutant and the interesting thing about him is he has multiple personalities and every personality pops up He has a power a new power set. So but the way they did it was very weird He never knew what was real what was truthful and all that I think they could do something similar with the Joker character, right?
I mean his mind's got to be so fragmented And demented to be on that level. So might be interesting.
Mr.Benja: Okay. I was having trouble with the joker actually, just because he's a chaotic force and it's maybe do something really wild, like every episode he's. Playing out a different psychosis because yes, that's one of the things that that actually happened in Arkham, they were trying to diagnose him and they sent all these doctors in and all the doctors came out with different diagnoses.
And they were like, wait a minute. I thought you said he was at this. No he's displayed this in this kind of personality. I don't know, maybe every episode would be a different type of, crazy and you just can't pin him down. You can't pin down his story and the whole thing is you're trying to piece together what he is when it's really an impossible feat.
So I don't know.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, that'd be interesting.
Mr.Benja: I like the idea of, I know I'm picking rather not the obvious characters here, but the Mad Hatter. Interesting. Yes. The Mad Hatter another character. Who doesn't show up too much in Batman's stories, but is always around. It's definitely taken from, obviously Alice in Wonderland the Lewis Carroll thing, but the thing I like about him is that he's all about mind control and, trying to control people through hypnotics, suggestion.
implants. And, the one thing with his hats is he puts the hats on people and they've got these devices on them that can control people. Maybe plays out like a mystery or something where, these people are doing these acts and they don't know how it's happening. And you can't really be sure if what somebody said was what they wanted to say, or is the Mad Hatter's influence.
And he's behind the scenes a little bit. So maybe it's a mystery of some sorts, like try to figure out exactly who he is, where he's at. Maybe a saw type of thing where you're trying to figure out who's controlling these people as opposed to the devices, but. Mad Hatter.
I like him. Okay.
Real Theo Harvey: That's a deep cut, man. I can't think of the one man. I have, what's it? Mr. What was it? Mezzo Plex. Is that how you say his name from a Superman?
Yeah. Something like
that. Yeah. I'd rather see a show of that than Mad Hatter, at least he has a different planet in the world and Oh, character building Mad Hatter.
Seems Allison Wonderland cosplay, right? Yeah, too much. I digress. Yes.
Rapid Fire: Batman's Rogues Gallery
Real Theo Harvey: So yeah, my, my thing is, and maybe we'll wrap it up here in a little bit, but I was looking at your list here. I don't know, man, something about rapid fire, the listing. Yeah, we go rapid fire. We go back and forth Bane.
I don't know something about being, just the Bane of it all just going around and just, cracking backs and just, growing up to to, to wreck shop. Maybe cool. It was reminiscent of less like a, he's like a reverse Batman. All these guys are different personalities of Batman.
Let's be honest. So being is just he grew up in a harsh environment with no parents, but he became Bane. And so it'd be interesting to see that back story.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. I don't want to see that if it was basically following the night. Night's end kind of deal where the whole backbreaking incident took place and his cronies bird and all that.
So that'd be, that's the only way that'd be interesting to me. I don't know about him outside of Batman. So another rapid fire here, Clayface. I'd actually like to see a little bit of a murder mystery, or, maybe I'm into the mysteries for some reason, but Clayface going around not knowing who he is and he's a change in his face, slowly descending into madness and losing himself.
I don't know. Tragic story of an actor.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. Raja, to me, that's this, the, it's like the Batman that Bruce's mentor, but slash enemy. Obviously we saw in Batman begins, just international kind of spy series, he's trying to tickle the world.
So that'd be cool.
Mr.Benja: All right. I wouldn't want to see him at all.
Real Theo Harvey: Like the Lazarus pit, man. Come on. Let's be honest, Damien Wayne, man. That's the best character. Batman's. I love Damien, man. That's you ever read stories?
Mr.Benja: Yeah Damien's cool. Okay, that leaning on that, him and his family, that could actually work.
Yes. If you just had a Penguin type story of Ra's al Ghul and his family,
Real Theo Harvey: back in the sure. Real, real quick, but if you don't know Damien Wayne is Basically think he's got all the skills of Batman, but he knows it and he's just cocky as hell. He's like a 10 year old boy.
I love it, man. Who create that character? Was it? Warren Ellis, man. I love that character, man. Cause anytime he shows up any, and I've seen him in young justice, man. He just, It's got that same attitude, man. They just all gleam onto it. Cause it's funny. It's like an asshole Batman. He knows he's better than you and he'll tell you about it too.
Mr.Benja: If you thought Batman wasn't a hole, just wait. Yeah. Yeah. Hugo strange. I'm all for this. I'm all for doctor dramas and having a mad, crazy, out of control. Doctor doing some unfortunate ish. It's just, it just gets me, doctor, you can't do that. Here's a hundred thousand dollars. Shut the hell up.
It's okay, good. I don't
Real Theo Harvey: know. You want to do, you want to do honorable mention real quick?
Mr.Benja: Yes. Jump in it.
Real Theo Harvey: Two things I was going to say, you weren't, you want to guess this, I was going to say, but Catwoman and Harley Quinn. Let's be honest, they already have their own shows.
We've seen a cat woman movie. There's a cat woman tv series out there. If you didn't know, like cartoon and obviously they got Harley Quinn comedic version of the M. C. U. So even though they're women versions, because Batman does have women villains, but they're just not as prevalent.
Just honorable mention that they do have some interesting points. And so that would be cool. But the Ultimate honorable mention is Adam. I'd appeal.
Mr.Benja: Yes, indeed.
Real Theo Harvey: Boom, Mr. Binger. What do you think about Adam? I'd appeal
Mr.Benja: bang. That's the one I want, man. That's actually a pretty weird badass character.
Shout out to Kevin Smith, who doesn't always hit me with the things that I'm like really into. He got me with this one. Yeah. We
Real Theo Harvey: saw him shout out. We talked about it last episode. Go check out our Halloween episode, guys. We talked about it. He popped up on the Cape Crusader, just out of blue, we like, I didn't even know who that character was.
And I had to go look it up. And then when I saw it, I was like, that's fire.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, I knew of him, like I, but I didn't know. Like I'd heard his, I seen the face and the mask. I'm like, all right, that sounds corny, but whatever, but it worked out. It was awesome.
Wrapping Up and What's Next
Real Theo Harvey: Anyway, man, anything else, Mr. Benja, what else you got planned?
I think we're going to wrap it up here, but so what do you got planned for? The week. Anything else you want to talk about? Let everyone know what you're working on.
Mr.Benja: Oh man, I'm what I got planned. I'm a meditate and stave off my anxiety.
Real Theo Harvey: Oh man. Yeah, everyone. Yeah. In the states, we all got a little anxiousness around us coming.
As we record this on the Tuesday in November, we all got a little anxiety, at least on that side for me. But yeah. Now, Mr Benjamin, this is Always fun, man. Enjoyable. Everyone. Look, I hope you enjoy what we talk about. If you like this information, like just what we talk about, look, they'll like us, man.
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You can see the latest information and all that good stuff. All right, Mr. Benja have a great one, man. Peace.