Show Vs. Business
Show Vs. Business
SvB Ep191 Two Woke Bros Go for Trump…Maybe
Post-Election Reflections and we're out here discussing the Results from Different Demographics, breaking down what happened, how it happened and what could have been done to make things better and of course, how this election will affect businesses moving forward.
Election aside, we also have a bit of discussion on Entertainment and Nostalgia.
So sit back because this is going to be a spicy episode brought to you by TheRealTheoHarvey and Mr.Benja!
00:00 Introduction to Show Versus Business
00:37 Post-Election Reflections
04:02 Nostalgia Movie Night
06:37 Quincy Jones: A Legendary Life
10:33 The Path to Success
12:43 Philosophical Musings
20:45 Election Aftermath
33:32 Reflecting on the Election and Black Women's Experience
36:18 Kamala Harris's Campaign Challenges
38:12 Media and Public Perception
40:34 The Role of Podcasts in Modern Politics
46:44 Election Statistics and Voter Demographics
49:29 Economic Implications of the Election
55:05 Cultural Shifts in Media and Entertainment
01:04:05 Empathy and Understanding in Political Discours
01:07:00 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Introduction: Show Versus Business
Real Theo Harvey: This is show versus business where pop culture meets pop money. We host the real deal, Harvey and Mr. Benja. So Mr. Benja, what is going on today? Today,
Mr.Benja: man, we're in a little bit of a time.
Post-Election Reflections
Mr.Benja: And I suppose everyone's feeling the after effects of the election. I strolled into target and.
On November 1st and all that Halloween stuff was out of there. And it's time to skip Thanksgiving. That didn't even exist anymore. It's time for Christmas, all the decorations, people feeling their feelings in different ways. This year feels strange, man. It's going into this holiday season and post election.
We'll talk about all of that and maybe a little bit of planning for next year, but mostly we're going to talk about the. The election, I think, that's, those are the most of the topics and how we're doing. And speaking of how we're doing, how are you doing Dio?
Real Theo Harvey: I'm doing okay, man.
Election Night Experiences
Real Theo Harvey: Election night.
I slept, not everyone did. No it was weird. Maybe because I stayed up during 2016, the last time. But you know what? 2020 I don't remember much about 2020. I don't know if you do. It's like weird how 2020 election was such a, it's like almost a dream. I don't remember being that invested in it. Maybe because we're all still dealing with the pandemic and trying to handle all that.
And the election seems so far. But maybe we'll discuss that, but this election, yeah, man, like literally last week I was all in the polls. I was looking at stuff. I was, Oh, she got chance. This could happen. This could happen. She got when this and the night of, I was ready, I have my stuff.
I was like, I'm going to stay up around nine 30. I started getting sleepy. I was like, you know what? It's not that serious. I went to bed, man. And it was my wife who kept waking me up in the middle of the night. Key moments. And we'll talk about it. Oh no, what happened? And then it's like a slow moving horror film.
And I guess I didn't want to have to deal with that. And so that's why I went to bed early. So yeah, I slept like a baby, man.
Mr.Benja: There's a psychological thing for that. I'm not saying this is what happened to you, but, I'm people have been trying to figure it out, and there's new research coming out that what a lot of people have attributed to boredom is actually a part of the Nature response.
Say, Hey, what do you do when you're confronted with something? There's flight fight, and then there's a whole bunch of other types of other responses that are still being studied fake, faint, lie whatever, they realized that kind of, Shutting down and going to sleep was one of those.
So this is, people are researching this. I definitely not saying this is a thing or something that you have, or you might not have, or anybody has, but I noticed it's just the defense mechanism where it's hi, I should be invested in this in your mind. You're like, I'm really not invested in this.
Real Theo Harvey: Literally. That's what happened, but it was like, I got an inkling. Yeah. I'm on the East coast, right? So I got an inkling. My wife was freaking out, but I know a little bit about the electoral college and how it works. And I knew, when it becomes like 11 o'clock our time, 8 o'clock your time when the polls close, she was gonna get all these electoral votes, right?
Because of California and stuff, but, a lot of folks don't understand that, that she was, oh, why she's only got 20 electoral votes. I was like, trust is coming. It's coming. But what gave me pause, what I saw was happening in Georgia. And we'll talk about later. And I was like, okay, there's some demographic things happening here.
And I think to your point, that's when I started to you know what, I think I'm just going to go to bed. We'll figure it out in the morning.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. And before we get to it I guess there's I get just coming up, I guess there ramifications here for AI technology different groups of people, black women, black men Latinos, et cetera white people, what they're up to the marketing of it.
And so we can touch on all those things in a bit.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, I think, we'll, you'll get into the guys, if you want to fast forward our little, get to catch up together thing. Go ahead. Speed up speed on. But look, this is what we do guys. If you listen to this podcast but yeah, man, a couple of fun things I did this week.
Nostalgia Movie Night
Real Theo Harvey: Nostalgia movie night. Do you remember Barry Gordy's The Last Dragon?
Mr.Benja: Sure enough.
Real Theo Harvey: Don't know man, you talk about comedy, but I haven't seen that movie maybe about 10 years and it's always a good time. But the older you get, the more you like this movie is crazy. It's like a mix between, Chinese and African American influences is basically got the whole rhythm of the night.
Music video in it. It's like a Musical because they got five complete songs in the movie the they had this big fight scene at the end When I got this mohawk looking fat bastard looking dude, if you know that bass is a character from You know what fast bass to look like in Yeah. Austin Powers.
Yeah. Series. It was just bananas, man. And I'm watching my son and my wife. I was like, this is a crazy movie. I didn't know it was that crazy. And then you get hype. If you ever watched the movie, spoiler alert for a movie that's been out for 40 years he gets that glow, right? He puts him in a water.
He dug. So he said, who's the master? Who's the master? And he's flashing back. And he says at the end, I'm the master and he starts that glow. I said, I'm still feeling that man. I'm still feeling it.
He's glowing. He does that slow motion Bruce Lee action and everybody's Oh crap.
Man, great movie, man. I don't care what they say, man. Just the eighties vibe of it all. The. The cheesiness, but just the earnestness and then the black flavor mixed in with the chinese flavor. William h macy shout out to an actor that's still working today He showed up in a small role craziness, man.
Yeah, man. I loved it, man So yeah, I saw my son's, he's into karate. He's almost close to getting a black belt And so we've been watching a lot of yeah, so we're gonna watch I said look I got You gotta watch Bruce Lee now, right? We're gonna start watching some of that stuff to get him hype as he gets closer to his black belt.
Mr.Benja: Man don't let me bring out the Wu Tang collection that I had in college. Five deadly villains. I'll put all y'all on that.
Real Theo Harvey: Ah, you did. Hey, if you don't know, Mr. Benjamin went deep dive for all the every member who they were, where they came from, what they were about. Yes, I remember those long conversations, man.
But what other things here real quick? Rest in power.
Quincy Jones: A Legendary Life
Real Theo Harvey: Quincy Jones music producer at short there. Thank God. Yes.
Mr.Benja: That guy is, he's crazy. I don't mean that like a, mentally out there kind of thing, people who live lives and do things and talk about things. And if you search online, For I'm not talking about accolades Oh, this guy, he got the blah, blah, blah award.
He did the this and that. Quincy Jones was just a person always involved in something. And if you go around looking up Quincy Jones interviews, articles, mentions people's stories about him. There's always some crazy story yeah, I was over at Quincy Jones house, and then he just picks up the phone, hangs up.
Next thing I know, these other people show up, and we had a full on recording session, and he says he's going to give a recording contract to this guy if he shows up in the next 10 minutes, and you hear a Lambert, Lamborghini crashing through the gates, it's he's just, there's all these crazy stories.
And he was off the chain in so many ways, just research him. I can't even start to point out he's crazy because of this. It's like Kanye level stories. When you just hear about what happens when Kanye shows up, it's I think actually that's what Kanye is trying to do is amass as many interesting stories as Quincy Jones had.
Real Theo Harvey: Oh wow. That's deep cut, man. I didn't know, is he a Quincy Jones fan or was he a Kanye, a Quincy Jones fan, or he just I would hope so. I think that's kind. Yeah. That seems yeah,
Mr.Benja: that seems like something, that would be like, you meet somebody like Quincy Jones wow, this person's just always on and pushing it.
Obviously Quincy Jones isn't as loud and boisterous and off-putting as yay can be, but. No, dude just was out there doing stuff. And as I said, Hollywood stories, Motown stories Bay Area stories. There's so many of these stories that just center around Quincy Jones coming in and doing stuff. Somebody couldn't figure out the drum pad, drum beat on this one song.
So he sends them out to, he says, Hey, let's all take a break. He sends the guy out for lunch and then brings everybody back in secret. And does the drums himself or find some other guy to do it. And then when they rerecord it, they're like, Hey, these drums sound good. And the guy doesn't even realize that his drums have been rerecorded by some random guy.
And all these years, that guy never got credit, but he got paid or something. It's just like stories like that. Yeah, that's me on the radio. Actually, it's not.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, he's done everything, man. He worked with, Frank Sinatra and the Rat Pack back in the sixties. And then obviously, the things that we probably know from right, which is working with Michael Jackson.
I didn't know he produced off the wall, which is a classic. If you guys, that's the banger. I discovered that freshman year and fam you in college. And I was like, cause I think the band had performed it. And I was like, what's that? All in on that off the wall album, man, that's over 20 million.
But really the one that just, took it to the stratosphere was thriller, which he basically produced most of those songs for Michael Jackson. And that's 65 million copies and became the highest record album of the all time. Yeah, I think Yeah, his collaboration with Michael is really what people remember.
But yeah, he used to do there was a, I think as a documentary on Quincy Jones, I watched it. He talked about like his, his life as a film composer and the movies he produced and the TV shows he did Fresh Prince of Bel Air. So yeah, man prolific guy, man, awesome guy, you know what he did and the amazing things he did.
So yeah, rest in power. And then a little bit smaller note, but, Also very important. Tony Todd, man the candy man, a prolific actor did other things besides being candy man. But man, just, he just passed away recently. So yeah, man. Yeah, these guys, they live great lives and they did things.
And hopefully we can some small way impact the world that they like they had.
Philosophical Musings and Personal Growth
Real Theo Harvey: And one little small thing I want to talk about too, man, I think, we talk about Quincy Jones. And we talk about success, man. I was talking to my kids about this the other day, and I was like, you know what, hear the stories of athletes, man, and how they went deep dive and different things that they did to become successful.
But a lot of it wasn't just about being success at the job. They did was almost like a release, right? They talk about how What's his name? LeBron James. He struggled with, having a stability in his home life, but he found a stability in basketball friendships, right?
And so it became a release for him. And I talked to one of my friends. She used to be like the fastest. She has a state record and running the 200 400. She never made to the Olympics, but she got scholarships to Michigan State. Yeah. And I was talking to her and she said, yeah, when I was younger, I was just like, that was my escape.
I would just run right to something and I was like, you know what? That's the key to success, man. Do the thing that you could do for free, but it's also mentally like your escape for something. And I think, if you can find that in your life and you can do that, man, that's amazing. And so I just want to say, Mr Benja.
This podcast is very similar to that for me, this is my escape, man. So I enjoy doing it. And so I want to get better at it, but more importantly it is my release. So thank you for being my pathway toward greatness. I appreciate it.
Mr.Benja: It's funny, man. I appreciate that. And I reflect that feeling as well, this sentiment, because a lot of times I don't know how I sound in the messaging or leading up to the podcast before the podcast.
It's before I go on stage, a lot of times I'm just like, okay, get this together. And I have a, there's a certain air about me where I'm just like, not. I'm not having, I'm just like, Oh, come on, let's go do this. And okay, but once I get on stage or once I'm here doing it, I'm like, Oh yeah, this is what I like to do.
Yeah. What am I talking about? This is great. This is great. We're having fun. So it's a it's a flow thing. So if I ever put off that, I didn't like it. It was just the setup and the roll in. It's just something about me. It's a me thing. The podcast. I love it, man.
Real Theo Harvey: What about you, Mr.
Benja? You want to get into
Mr.Benja: your week? Yeah, man. Speaking of which I've been, speaking of talking about things you don't want to do, and I do want to do the podcast, by the way things I don't want to do. I've been really thinking about this and researching it and looking into that because of all of my Creative production insights.
This was the one I understood the least. I don't want to just say I have writer's blocker. Okay. Yeah. I went ahead and did the painting, but I didn't like it. I'm like, what's all that about? I really want to start getting into figuring out doing what you don't want to do and what that was all about.
And. Yeah, it led me through the Stoics. It led me through just your general motivational speakers. What's that guy's name? I forgot his name. He used to be a football player. He's always on there.
Real Theo Harvey: Oh, I know. Nicky
Mr.Benja: Sanders. Nicky Sanders. She worked with him before, before coming on.
And yeah, even like dudes like Arnold Schwarzenegger and pump it, pumping iron, it's just get in there, just do it. Just force your way through it. Just do it. That, that whole mindset was just really bugging me. And I found joy in that finally, with some understanding where, We try to hide the hard thing from ourselves.
It's like a psychological reaction. If you, the humans avoid pain in very interesting ways. It's if you have a slight ache in your leg, you may limp for about a week and then you're like, okay, I'm walking normal again. But the way you're walking now is slightly different and it avoids walking that way because it might feel that pain again.
But you can't tell. You really can't tell because it's just your mind's rewired and that's the way you walk now. So you walk slightly differently because you're trying foot's healed, your leg's healed or whatever, you try to avoid that pain. So there's this whole. Subconscious secret society of brain cells going on that, that hide things from you because no, he doesn't like this.
Benjamin doesn't like that. Theo doesn't like that. We're just going to hide him from the truth completely.
Like
this little shadow government in your brain that hides all this stuff from you because they don't want to hurt your feelings and getting into the psychology of that. Just been looking through different people and their research papers and what they've been finding out.
It's fascinating. Like when you start to look into the abyss and a lot of you, you were talking about this before the break. A lot of people back like the Stoics and old thinkers, there's always talk about looking into the abyss and staring into that darkness and figuring out who you are.
Yeah, man, this week. Aye. I started getting headaches and all that. And what it's like, where's this coming from? It's Oh, I'm trying to look into the abyss. And my body's telling me, nah, brah, we don't want to go there. I was like, it was weird realizing it. I'm like, I'm getting tired.
I'm getting a little bit of a headache and it's not that it's hard. It's just that a part of me, this little shadow government is saying, nah, we got to protect her from that.
Real Theo Harvey: And do you think it gets worse as we get older? Cause I think when you're younger, you're more malleable and you really don't know what, you can take or can't take, but it seems like you get.
Yeah. Yeah. I think so too. Cause I feel that myself and I'm trying to break old habits, but it's
Even, you just have blind spots as you get older, man. We'll talk about that too, but there were a lot of blind spots, but it's just you're right, man. I think. If you can really, staring the truth's eyes and really understand what is that pathway for you, that the stuff that you don't want to do, what are you avoiding?
And you take that moment, a lot of people don't do that because we live in such an on society. The algorithms always pinging us, it's hard to take that moment to realize if you can get to that truth of what is it? The thing that you're avoiding and probably that thing you're avoiding is the path.
to your greatest success. And I think people don't realize that's that's the challenge in life. It's like the hardest thing is the path that you need to take.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, it's really bizarre how that path is generally the hard thing or at least the hard thing. But it
Real Theo Harvey: Has to be right because if there's no friction, there's no growth.
And so if you have to go to the path that has friction, so you can, grow from that, because if you stay on the path that's smooth, then what are you learning? It's just easy to do. But, you're not going to get new skill sets. You're not going to get new ways of thinking if you don't go down the rocky path.
Yeah.
Wow.
Mr.Benja: Okay. Let me hit you with another one. If you're talking about forgot the full name for it, but it's in transit, some type of intransigence and that's, when you're holding on to a belief and you, your feet, your heels are dug into the ground and you're like, Nope, this is me, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
If you search your beliefs long enough, you're going to find one, too many. Or maybe even hidden from you, but there's some, something in your past that happened where you made a decision without full information, where without full growth, knowledge and whatever. And all of a sudden that became one of your beliefs because you were talking about, as a kid, can't you change this?
And it's yeah, but. As a kid, we just stick with some of these things and never leaves. And I was talking about this with a friend and he's into psychology and philosophy. And as I was talking to him Donnie, he was on the podcast once, not this podcast, but my podcast he was talking about this and while he was talking, I realized, Hey, wait a minute.
There was a moment where I was in elementary school and I had an argument with the coach, the, Is the elementary school coach, which is coach for flag football and everything, PE, whatever, the coach. So I had to argument with the coach and I wasn't wrong. But I thought about it and I was like 11 years old, dog.
I have a belief in my head that's based on a decision I made in the argument I had when I was 11 years old and an older me is looking at this kid. Come on, man, be for real. But when I think about it, I think about it in an adult way. You know what I mean? I always think about that event as an adult, even though it happened when I was 11 years old.
So I'm like, I've got a thought. That's some 11 year old bozo, in, in some school in North Florida came up with arguing with the teacher, a coach that was. Probably off rocker a little bit, and it's now become a belief that I've held for the rest of my life.
Real Theo Harvey: You got to question your beliefs, man.
You got to look into the abyss and figure out what's really driving the decisions you make. You're right. I was talking to my son about this. To this day, I have somewhat of an irrational fear of dogs because what happened to me years, when I was like, 10 with my grandfather, where a dog is.
Broke off his chain and attacked me. And so it's it luckily didn't bite me, but it was just like that visceral reaction to this day, puts me on some kind of stance and you're like, wow, that's something that happened to me years ago. And, and so it's you gotta be aware of those things, but but now, man, I'm glad you're doing the deep work, man.
Not too many people do that.
Mr.Benja: This, I had a problem with certain types of authority. And I remember the coach saying, do you want this or do you want that? And I looked around at all the people siding with coach and I was like, I don't like none of y'all. I was just being defiant because whatever I was like, man, no, I'm going to do it this way.
And he's fine. And now I catch myself in corporate offices, Mr. Johnson, why aren't you doing this? This and this, Hey, I'm gonna do it my way. Yeah, that's it. It's that same kid. I love it, man. I love it. Yeah.
Real Theo Harvey: Oh, man. Good stuff, man. Good stuff. Are we so look guys, we're being very philosophical because what happened this week?
You need to be a philosopher. Oh, I forgot what happened here. Yeah. Mr. Benjamin, where do we want to start with this?
Election Results and Reactions
Real Theo Harvey: We don't know we live in the United States for those who listen in from listen to us who are international and yeah, we elected someone who's been in our lives for a long time, ran for president one time, actually won.
Got kicked out and now he's back. So Mr. Benja Donald Trump is now president of the United States. How are we feeling about that? Just you and I individually, do you want to delve into that a little bit? Look guys, we normally don't talk about politics, but there's so many different angles about this that we have to delve into this from the business side, technology side, culture wise, and also marketing.
So it's those are the areas we're going to cover, but I didn't know if you want to leave some space to just. Talk about our general feelings about everything.
Mr.Benja: If you would've gotten, if you would've talked to me back in the, late 2000s when I was actually on the phones on the phone banks, calling for Obama and doing all that stuff and setting up Obama gatherings and get togethers and all that.
I would have felt totally different. Now I've stepped back from the machine and looked at it all and gone, huh. So I'm not mad at it, but I am, and people take this the wrong way. This is why I have to preface it like this. I'm not mad at the situation, but I am just really okay, oh, this is what we're doing now.
Okay. This is done. And yeah to be clear, a guy like this ending up in the White House doing this thing. That's to me, it's just dumb, but, It makes a lot of sense given what we've been doing all this time. And we, as a country, so I don't know how to answer that question.
How do I feel about it? It's
Real Theo Harvey: yeah, I was like, you, I was never really involved in politics like that until this cute girl, she said, Hey, you need to know what Obama's about. And so I started getting more involved in Obama and what he was doing. And then next to, I was involved in the whole campaign.
And to your point, very similar story. I was really engaged right at that point. And then also it was Obama, right? We never had a president like this before. And so when he won, that just validated, Oh, wow, this is possible. This is a new America, and we can do different things.
So I got involved in this thing called new leaders council. And I was involved in the progressive movement and what it was going to do. It changed Georgia. I would live in Atlanta at the time, to become blue. And I don't know if you remember Stacey Abrams, who ran for,
yeah.
Governor of Georgia.
And I knew her like years ago before she even, she was just like a lowly state senator. And so she was involved and we should talk all the time. So I was like really engaged like you, man. Then to your point, get busy and slowly. And I guess that 2016 election, Donald Trump won the first time.
I just backed away from all that. But this time, yeah, man, I was like I said, I slept. And so it was like I was I stayed away from everything. I said, I hope she wins. I gave her a little money. I went to a few things, but I was like, Hey, hope she wins. I wasn't like totally invested.
And then last week I went through some polls. I even Nate silver has his like silver bullets where he was going to the polls and give me some insights. Oh, let me check this out. I paid the 20 just to see what he suspected was going to happen. So that threw me for a loop when they all were BS.
And we'll talk about that. But yeah, man. So early on when I saw some of the population numbers weren't. Gelling right from a statistics standpoint. I was like, I'm going to bed. Do it a night wife. What the, she, she lost North Carolina, Georgia. I don't know. I said, okay, man. Okay. We're about to sleep.
I woke up at six chop that one. He got Wisconsin is over. I was like, oh, it is what it is. Yeah, man, I think you and I are the same mode and maybe that's why she lost. Kamala Harris, that's who she, Donald Trump was going against because there was just such an apathy toward just institutions in general.
And so this is an interesting time, man. Yeah, man. So anyway, so that's like our individual feelings, guys. I know, look, whether you're a Trump supporter or Democratic or Kamala Harris, like I said, no, I think this is an all inclusive podcast because I enjoy talking to Trump supporters now.
I love, I say, why'd you vote for him? Do you think he's going to give you what you want? And so to me I'm. Excited because I think grace behind the trailer, I gotta give her a shout out, man. She broke it down, man. She was just like, you know what? Now you realize that we're not the majority no more.
We thought that, people that didn't like trump was the majority. That is not the case by his really shut out when the electoral college and the popular vote, we are not a minority. So it's like the majority of people really like what Trump is saying, what he wants to do. And now when you realize that, you say, okay, that's the truth.
So how do we deal with that now? And what do you want to do next? So it goes beyond it because it was because remember everybody thought it was going to be like this, Oh, it's going to be riots. And we're going to have to, Watch the polling places and all this stuff. People were like, we're not gonna know the results for two weeks, maybe a month, right?
We knew it like by 5 a. m. the next day, man. It was like crazy. I think, I'm glad that he won so decidedly because now we can look the truth in his face. Like you said, look in the abyss and know what's the real deal, right? How people feel about things. And yeah.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, and I don't want to Do a sociological population psychoanalysis of the, United States or anybody, myself, even, I just think that it's an interest.
We're an interesting place and. We can use this to really look at how we relate to each other, how we talk to each other, how we communicate in a lot of ways. This is stuff I've had to work on where I'm talking to groups of people and they're speaking almost another language. And I'm like, what is going on?
Why? Why would you think this way, and you just like stuff on TV or you see some stuff from afar and do that old Microsoft programming book that, you just turn on the Bozo bit and you flip the Bozo bit. And it's like Bozo, you vote for Trump, you're a Bozo.
And then all of a sudden it's on TV, your next door neighbor is Latinos for Trump. And you're like, wait, what is this? You're like, it just shatters your brain. I really think we need to get into a position where we're talking to each other in more appropriate ways.
We're allowing for nuance and, gray area. I've even taken it upon myself to start really having good discussions with people who liked The Last Jedi, so I'm healing myself.
Real Theo Harvey: It's you caught me on that one.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, exactly. Because it's true. You're talking to
Real Theo Harvey: me. You're talking
Mr.Benja: to me.
I'm
Real Theo Harvey: a fan.
Mr.Benja: Alright. But But though it's just a strange thing and this is why I think I've really just pulled away from elections. I'm like, this game damaging to people in societies. And I'm not sure how helpful it is to just that we start pushing our extremes here and there. And I don't know.
It's just, the whole thing bores me. And now I don't know what to do in the political aspect with myself.
Real Theo Harvey: No, that's a valid point. I think you hit the points. I agree with a hundred percent. It's just yeah, there could be some mix of some sexism here, some racism here and all that, but it was just so overwhelmingly toward Trump.
You just have to realize, it's time to have conversations, and just, find out. What's going on with people, right? And I don't think the American people when you because so many people, it's not a statistical anomaly. You told me this too. You're like, when people, when something is that popular, you have to just realize, accept it.
I think you said that about just, and when you, once, once you embrace that, you say, okay may, I just need to understand because I thought something different. And you know what? I blame social media, man. We keep, we stay in these bubbles. Yeah. We stay in our own little bubbles in our and again, I was talking about these polls, man, these polls are all wrong.
They were saying things like it was going to be close. And look, when you look at the numbers, yes, statistically, state battleground states were plus or minus 3%. They were in the margin of error when it comes to statistics, but they got it totally wrong when they looked at populations demographics, like Latino men, white women, things like that.
And to me, it's y'all, You can't trust these old kind of ways of looking at things, right? And because everybody's in their own little bubble, you want to believe what you want to believe. And that's the challenge now. Like, how do you break those bubbles, man? And this is very hard because you talked about it.
Nobody wants to stay in the abyss and look at the truth, right? And that's the challenge. You got the algorithms trying to keep you in a bubble and you have your own defense mechanisms keeping you from trying to. Get the truth. So it's like, how do you change in that environment? This is very, you really have to be intentional to try to change.
Even before you go, I may even listen to these other podcasts, man. These, the Democrats, they just, got the violins out, like all this stuff was blowing Benji is they're still thinking that. The people didn't understand enough because there was so much misinformation.
They voted against their own interests. The people are just too stupid. Basically, that's what they're saying. Yeah, and that's just too stupid into the Yeah, you did you drive him? Why would you say that? I wasn't very intelligent very articulate It was like she made some great good points, but when she said I was into it was an interview I was john stewart.
I forgot the young lady's name, but she was very intelligent She knew you know documentarian, they were in their bubble and she was saying they were voting against their city Interest. And I heard that multiple times from the Democrats because there was so much misinformation, not saying there wasn't, they were just, they just were stupid.
They just, in so many words, they didn't know what they were voting for. I discount that totally. I think people knew exactly what they were voting for and what they were voting against. And so once you look at that, then you guys, okay let's talk to him. Why do they think, trump is better option?
Mr.Benja: Yeah. And that's when you get into a discussion of Non parallel criteria in a discussion where you bring all your evidence and they bring all their evidence and all of a sudden it becomes a taste great, less filling kind of argument where it's like, why are you drinking that? It's like they're two completely different parallels.
It's it doesn't even match up, it's . Yeah, let's jump into it. We started talking about the different demographics. We touched on that a second. I was in the grocery store grabbing some things and I like to hit any BS off at the past. So I say, hi, good morning.
And, make jokes all the time around me, just so I have a good social experience and nobody points the finger at me in case something goes wrong. goes bad. I said that young man said good morning, so I'll leave him alone. So black lady comes around the corner with her cart, and I'm coming around the corner and say, Oh, hey, how you doing?
Hey, good morning. Good morning. It's a good day, isn't it? I was talking about the weather. It was the day after the election. She looked at me like, what's good about it? And I was like, oh dang, dang. And this black lady was pissed, man. She was, she like, she looked like a person who usually went out of the house.
But she was a mess, like she hadn't slept. Her hair was a little unkempt and she was just looking upset, dawg. And I'm like, I could see where it was coming in and out, but I didn't want to acknowledge it. So I was like I just gave her the face like, hey Hey, what's going on? And she was like, you saw the election, right?
And I'm like, yeah, I did see the election. I know what happened. Yes. Weird days were in sad that it went this way and, I tried to console her a little bit. She was like, yeah she started ranting about some stuff and then put her head down in a sad slash mad fashion and.
Walked her way down the what aisle was that? It was the bread aisle. She walked down the bread aisle.
Real Theo Harvey: No, not the
Mr.Benja: bread aisle.
Real Theo Harvey: All
Mr.Benja: the carbs. Don't do it. Don't do it, sister.
Don't do it, sister. I'm going to just eat all this bread. That's a truck. I don't want to slice bread. I just want the whole loaf.
Don't
Real Theo Harvey: That. Yeah. Let's talk about that demographic. You want to dig into that?
Reflecting on the Election and Black Women's Experience
Real Theo Harvey: I am married to a black woman and, there was an opportunity for , black women to be seen, at a national level as the president. And I just felt, I think they let, I think they didn't think the country let them down.
My wife was feeling it, so I was, very considerate that's why she's, ha having a good time now because I think she's feeling that a little bit. And then I had to console her with some nice wine and things of that nature. But yeah, I think, black women do feel here's a guy that whether you think about him or not you know, was convicted felon tried to overturn the election says terrible things everything, all that.
And people still vote for him over the. Black lady, or the other, and to them that seems almost crazy. And it was similar to the conversation that people say, how's this election even close. And I think, that's the kind of stuff that keeps you in the bubble, when you just I don't understand.
And that's because you're not getting information. You just stay in your own bubble and you got to go outside your bubble and realize that just, and and I get their pain. So yeah, they're definitely going through it. And if you look at the statistics, we'll talk about the data. Overwhelmingly black women voted like, I think Biden, they basically helped Biden win like Georgia, which was a background state four years ago.
And they like overwhelmingly voted for Kamala, like 80%, 80, 90%, basically 90%, black women. So yeah, they feel,
They're going through it right now.
Mr.Benja: Definitely. And you gotta remember it's, we're in a situation where it's not talked about enough, but you know how they always talk about how they police black men's bodies, how we can't go certain places, talks in ways, whatever.
We don't really talk about a little, the more subtle, Policing of black women, which is, Hey, they should uphold the system. Hey, they should keep, this weird kind of piece, they should. And there's a definite pressure on black women. And you can see it in, especially if you get any corporate offices, you see how black women are treated differently.
It's there's a certain pressure on them to uphold a way of being. And like when you have black women doing what they feel they should be doing. Hey, go to school, get the job. Don't do these wrong things. Stay out of trouble, fill off all the check marks. Just don't be too off the mark and, you'll be fine.
And then you show somebody like Trump, who's the complete opposite of that. And it's really like almost a slap in the face. Yeah, you did all this, your law degrees and all that. You spoke correctly and whatever. We don't care. We're going to get Donald Trump in the box. So it's a weird and hard.
Situation. I, I don't like it. It pisses me off that the way it was brought to light or in that moment in the grocery store, but
Kamala Harris's Campaign Challenges
Real Theo Harvey: And not to stay on this too much longer, but look, they gave Kamala no, no favors. She literally had 107 days to win an election.
Most people have two years to do all that, go through the rig and roll.
And so it was like that. And then also, I don't think how she could have done even better. From the debate to everything else that she's just,
Mr.Benja: wait, hold on. You don't think she could have done any better?
Real Theo Harvey: Okay. I'll talk about that in a second. There's one thing you're right.
I made a gaffe. I should not run for politics because she did make a big thing. A big thing I thought was that she didn't run further enough from providing. She wasn't aggressive enough to say I am my own person and I will do something very different from Biden. To separate herself from a basically a unpopular president.
But that was probably one of her biggest mistakes, overall, given the circumstances, I thought she did as best as she could. There was some things she could have done differently, but I think they didn't give her any favors. Yeah. I don't know. You hold on.
When you said something, it was like you thought she could have done some things better,
Mr.Benja: dude. Like we were talking about looking into the abyss. What do you, this lady? Oh my gosh, Kamala. The last thing I wanted to see was her in some. In some fake setup, stepping out of a store, with vinyl albums Oh, it's the media.
How'd you catch me here buying my favorite black artists on vinyl? It's you kidding me? That's your press opportunity. That's your press. Come on, man. I, and she's not out here doing like the press that people care about. She's showing off some silly vinyl albums.
If you're talking about out of touch, collecting vinyl. It's out of touch. Who's got the money and the space for a record player and this big collection of records and it just smacks of being out of touch. So
Media and Public Perception
Real Theo Harvey: you think she should have did Joe Rogan Donald Trump did three hours with your boy.
Mr.Benja: What's funny, Don Rogan came back and talked about that actually. He was like, listen, I have a certain way of doing the podcast and everything, but I'll drop everything to do this podcast. Didn't happen. So he was like wait a minute. You want me to do this and this.
Okay. So now I'm not just dropping everything to do the podcast. I have to, and it became a whole bunch of hoops. And from his point of view, he was making it seem like what he was making it seem like it wasn't jumping through hoops. It was setting up a situation that was making the show inauthentic. So at some point he said, wow.
So you're
Real Theo Harvey: Joe Rogan apologist. Oh, here
Mr.Benja: we go. Here we go.
Real Theo Harvey: Joe Rogan apologist here. Look. I don't listen to Joe Rogan as much as you do. So I know you probably have a little bit more, opinion toward him. I just think when you have that much power and choice, you have to give both sides, at least a little opportunity, but I would agree if Trump did three hours with him and Beyonce, I might go listen to that.
I was trying to go listen to the whole three hours because I was. What I've been told, I don't know if you listened to it, but I've been told that he came off very well in that because now granted what threw me off when I listened to the first like 10 minutes, it was like Joe Rogan was just like feeding him.
It was like, Oh, it's so unfair how bad they're treating y'all. Oh, come on, Joe Rogan. Come on, man. What are you doing? At this point, he first became president, ran for president. He talked about Obama was a fake president because it was a birth certificate. So now you want to say everybody's unfair to Trump.
Get out of here. That kind of threw me off. But anyway, I will listen to it to see how Trump's comes off because I agree. I, Beyonce, I don't think, before, let's be honest, before Trump was running for president, vast majority of us had a pretty decent opinion of him, right? I read art of the deal.
I looked up to him. I was like, Hey, this is a good business guy who didn't see the apprentice. So it's not we don't remember a time when Trump was considered, he was showed up at home alone. So it was like, we don't remember the time.
The Role of Podcasts in Modern Politics
Real Theo Harvey: So anyway, I don't want to get bogged down to the Joe Rogan of it all, but yeah, I think, and let's skip to that. Let's talk about branding real quick, or did you want to go branding and podcasts? So number one, social media podcasts, word about it, brother grounds, right? She went on to call what's it call your daddy.
Is that the one that's called call call me Alex Cooper. Yeah. Call me daddy. Alex Cooper, who is for women, which made sense for Kamala, who's really going hard for women. And Trump was on Theo Bond. He was on what was it? David Pitt, David bet. What was it? Patrick bet. David was on. Yeah.
He was on all the bros. Podcast man, Joe Rogan. And that helps. Let's be honest. I think that did help because when you, and this, I sent you the link to Scott Galloway, he talked about the podcast election and we talked about this. Go check out our video, go check out a short. We talked about, what runs the election is basically how marketers are going to start marketing for the next four years.
And we just saw a podcast. One this election, at least on the margins, right? Because he was able to touch 43 million people. I think that was the last number I saw with his Joe Rogan podcast was Kamala did the interview with Brett Baird on Fox news. They only reached about three. So it goes to show you that
Mr.Benja: it will not have the replay and the clippage and all that it's
Real Theo Harvey: because people want authenticity, right?
They want that realness, that rawness and just having a conversation like you and I are having real emotions, real conversations and you don't get that. On, 10 minute clips on a heavily produced morning show, or interview on TV. And I think that's why the traditional media, that's why Kamala didn't do it.
That's why as much, and that's why Trump stopped doing it because it just wasn't relevant anymore. People don't listen, don't get their news from. Cable shows anymore. They don't get it from the New York times or the newspaper. They get it from Tik TOK. They get it from podcasts. And so if you're not there and Trump knew that very well and he succeeded in that.
So from a marketing standpoint, I believe podcasts are the future, or at least connecting to, high level influencers, with your message, because if you have a podcast, which is why we've created this podcast, this experience, it's because you become. People know you, right? I listen to the podcast all the time.
It feels like I know them.
Mr.Benja: So in a three hour discussion, not a debate, not a question and answer session, not a stumping for whatever, you've got three hours of a discussion. How do you get to know somebody better than in the discussion? And I'm looking at the Joe Rogan podcast here 48 million views two weeks ago.
And that's pretty high for political discussion, and you're talking about regular people listening in, whether or not you agree with Joe Rogan and some of his wild things that he says yeah, but it's so at what cost is, it's okay, if this guy gets on this podcast, What am I going to do?
I'm Kamala, who am I going to talk to? Who am I going to invest in? Is Oprah hitting the streets like that? I don't know. Do I even go to her? What do I, is there a Netflix special? I've got to do something that's on the money.
Real Theo Harvey: No, I agree. And it's going to those influences that have the audience that you want to, target.
We were talking about black women. I don't know if there was any top podcaster that was a black woman, but she did go to, Kamala did go on what all the smoke, which is black men by podcast, quote unquote, because it's two ex basketball players. This is going on Shannon sharps podcast.
I didn't look at, I guess we can look it up but yeah, she, she's trying to be out there and doing her thing, man, trying to, get that audience. Whereas Trump went for the bros, the young white male who listens to Joe Rogan, president company excluded.
Mr.Benja: And
Real Theo Harvey: he won that, he won that demographic,
Mr.Benja: all the smoke podcasts on YouTube at 690, 000 views. As opposed to, and that was a month ago. So more than double the amount of time. That that the Joe Rogan podcast had been out. So yeah, all the smoke. I don't know. I actually hadn't heard of those guys until, yeah.
Oh, wow. Yeah. I
Real Theo Harvey: knew of them, more of a sports guy, you probably, but she
Mr.Benja: could've, she should've gone to breakfast club.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. I wonder why she did
Mr.Benja: three hour interview on the breakfast club.
Real Theo Harvey: It's just to your point, that may have been the other thing. When we talk about the Democrats and how they got beat so bad is because they just don't talk to the people, man.
People want realness, man. This is a realness election. Even though Trump tells you what he's going to do to your face, you know what he is. And that's what people want, man. Even though it was foul, what he wants, but at least it was direct. Whereas the, I think they undercut their whole argument when, let's be honest, the Democrats, just talking about their weaknesses.
Is. Was when they said, Trump is lying to you and everything. But at the same time we have Biden, who was, 80 something years old, practically see now. And they were telling him he was like a bull in the China shop. He was the big, strongest guy ever. And they lied to us too.
So it's wait a minute. So you're going to fake lie to us, but then you want to say Trump is a liar too? No. And I think, and that's why I think they're still in there. They got their head up their butts. Or head up their ass. Sorry, I'm going to just cuss on this one, but because Think about it, man they're saying that the people don't know the truth and people know when they're being lied to and they felt like they were lied To by the democratic party.
So I say all I have to say is look, it's You know You gotta be truthful and you gotta go on shows and be your authentic self if you want to win And in the future elections, that's I think that's the lesson that should be learned from this You have to be who you're going to be Good bad awards and all and people respect that.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. What else we want to hit here?
Election Statistics and Voter Demographics
Mr.Benja: Yeah you said you had some stats for did you want to get more stats or yeah, we
Real Theo Harvey: can get Yeah, we can get the stats real quick. I mean look if you look at the numbers trump won what men he won by 54 percent, which is huge which is fine.
We knew that. Women though were 53 percent electorate But Trump still won 44%. Kamala won 54%. It's a majority, but it's a slight majority. If she would have, she had just gotten 60, 65 percent of women, which he courted, let's be honest with the abortion conversation, all that, that she would have won this election because they were over, they were higher women that voted in this election than men with black people, which is 11 percent of the electorate.
86%. So black people stay firm for the most part. This is as a general folks. Unfortunately, Latinos, she won them, but barely 53%. And so trump was 45%. So that would probably would hurt her too. She had gotten more latinos and that's why that was a big effort. You remember that big controversy about Puerto Rico being a streaming pilot garbage.
They try to get the celebrities out there. That's another lesson learned. Celebrities don't work. They had Beyonce out there. Taylor Swift said a few things. Fat Joe was out there. JLo. I don't think that swayed anybody. Eminem and Barack at one point. Yeah. Eminem, Barack was rapping to lose yourself.
So it's yeah, man. So if you can't win black folks and you can't, or you can't win Latino folks and can't win white women, the election was done, man. And that's probably what, hurt her black men. She got 78 percent of our vote, but 20%, one in five black men went for Trump. And I think the title of this Episode.
Mr. Benja is two woke bros. Go for Trump.
We will get so many clicks on this one.
Mr.Benja: That
was a joke. But
Real Theo Harvey: yeah, man, one in five black men. But not granted, there were only 5 percent electorate, but still went for her. And then women, guess how many, what was the number for black women? 92 percent went for
Mr.Benja: Kamala. So yeah,
Real Theo Harvey: they are hurting. Speaking
Mr.Benja: back to my earlier point.
Yeah.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. And then Trump won Latino men, 54%. So he definitely dominated on that. So anyway, I, the numbers don't lie, man.
Mr.Benja: So in general, I just get so angry at this stupid discussion because it's just dumb to me. It's, felons, convicted felons can't vote. Convicted felon in the White House.
What are we doing? It's bizarre and I don't like it.
Economic Implications of the Election
Mr.Benja: But I dunno, how does this all affect business though? Yeah, let's talk about that business
Real Theo Harvey: unchecked. Capitalism, ultimate
power, unmitigated power. What
did
Unlimited power, yes,
that's another one James, young Skywalker,
Mr.Benja: you will die,
Real Theo Harvey: oh man, that's classic, can't even do enough of that, but yeah, I mean look, I
Mr.Benja: want to bring up, I want to bring up business just because I saw NVIDIA jumps to 3. 6 trillion dollar market share, Market value after the Trump win this was being reported from MSN via Reuters. Shares of NVIDIA rallied to a record high on Thursday, making the chipmaker the first company in history to surpass a stock market of 30.
6 trillion as Wall Street extended a rally sparked by Donald Trump's return to the White House. And they're the dominant AI chipmaker, by the way, in case you're wondering how this company got here.
Real Theo Harvey: And you know why, right? Talk to me. Business wise, he's introduced tariffs, right? And so basically anybody that imports chips or anything like that, they're going to raise the fees of getting those imports in.
So that means the price of those chips are gonna be more expensive than ones that we produce in house. So if you're a business, you're gonna go for the cheaper ones, which were built in house. But, so that's why they're like, Oh, what? We're going to have no choice but to buy NVIDIA chips, right?
Because the tariffs are going to be so high, but that could mess up everything else. If tariffs go up for us, what happens is you create a prisoner's dilemma, right? Where basically you do something to us, then we're going to do it to you. So basically we start shipping stuff overseas. I don't know where our percentage of exports are, but then they're going to raise tariffs on us.
And so basically our exports revenue is going to go down. So it's, it's, Is economics, one on one man. He, yeah, it's, Trump talks a lot of stuff, so we'll see what stuff he can get through. But the rumor is he's going to have He's got the Senate, potentially the House.
He's got the Supreme Court, right? The majority from a conservative standpoint. So he literally can't push anything through that he wants. So we'll see what economic policies he puts in place that, would help us. But I don't know, man, it's gonna be interesting to see. We're in a different, geopolitical environment.
And from economic standpoint, I don't know if If Trump and his team realized that, it may not be as easy to get some of these policies through, from that standpoint, but we do know that, the Feds, of course, the day after election lower the interest rates. So he's already gonna probably claim that the economy's already better for you already proved it.
So it's and this is one of those things that he won on. Yeah, he won on because people felt the economy was bad.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, that's, that is, we didn't speak about that enough, but that is overwhelmingly I would say probably the overwhelming factor as far as I can tell. When the economy is bad, they don't like the incumbents.
So it's not like you had enough time in four years or whatever for the economy to really truly reflect, but they're like, Hey, gas prices are high. And this guy's in office. Screw that guy. It just becomes that simple of an argument in their heads. So if you're not. Addressing that, then, you're talking back to the whole elites thing and, thinking people are stupid.
It's yeah, that's what's on people's minds. And then maybe we'll listen to whatever else you have to say. I don't want to hear about your favorite Nas album.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, they were trying to pick off identity politics. Women want abortion, people, Latinos want to be focused on border issues and how we can help immigration.
But it's it's really was the economy stupid. I went to the I went to go get a burger today and my son wanted A bacon burger. Bacon was like 2 and 59, 59 cents to put a piece of bacon. I like what?
Mr.Benja: Exactly.
Real Theo Harvey: So it's yeah, man, I think people are not stupid. They feel it in their pockets when they go to the grocery store, everything's more expensive.
And if nothing else, if you don't have a budget, you just feel like your dollars is not going as far as it used to. And I think people realize that.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, real quick. Cause I know we're closing out here. The McDonald's has an amazing way of getting into the public consciousness. And so what they've been doing lately with their, is people who hack the menu.
So you've got the dollar menu, right?
You
get a Big Mac and you take the chicken Big Mac and you put them together. Like you take the beef out and put it in with the chicken one. And John Cena is now calling this the chief Big Mac, the chicken and beef Big Mac. And. It's gone viral to a certain extent, but it's like this thing where I can make a burger like that for 2, or I can make a burger with, a quarter one burger and then get like the dollar pack of McNuggets, put the McNuggets inside the burger.
Now I have my, McNugget burger, 2 it's the economy, and that kind of stuff is what's popping right now. It just isn't talking about for some bacon. Get out of here with it.
Real Theo Harvey: I know, man. And I was like, okay, fine, man. But it's, you're right. It's like another burger, man. It's crazy for some bacon.
And it was like small pieces of bacon too. Mr. Benjamin, do you mind? We go over just a little bit. I want to talk a little bit about entertainment real quick. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. What
kind of entertaining we
got?
Cultural Shifts in Media and Entertainment
Real Theo Harvey: What do you think about this election tell or tales of like entertainment, right? This is a show versus business.
We talked about the business side. Now we're talking about the show side of what, if we live in a world where, there's a lot of red staters, let's put it out there a little bit more conservative that like conservative views. We're talking about folks like, the what's the shows?
I forgot the name of it. What's it called? But Anyway, any like those, religious movies or just some of the ones that just more family oriented or just targeted toward conservatives, like twister was trying to be targeted conservatives. Are we going to see more movies like that?
Mr.Benja: I don't see how we won't.
There's something that's been rum, something that's been rumbling you see it on sites like Rumble, that's why I left I don't know how many of you guys have even checked out Rumble Truth Social you've been watching what's going on X and Elon Musk kind of rallying that energy even if it's not politically aligned with him, it's energetically aligned with what he wants to do.
We're talking about people like, Hey, where can I watch this entire two hour long video? I can't find it on YouTube. Oh, it's on X. I say, why are you kidding me? I got to go watch it on X. Where else are you going to go? Okay. I guess I'll go watch it on X. So yeah, alternative types of media will be more open, I think, to a lot of these these different viewpoints and views and what was that movie a while back, the sniper, I think was really big with the the right side of things.
Right wing side of things. Yeah, I think we'll just see more of that popping up here and there.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah I would say I would agree, man. Country is like the number one kind of music, that's filtering. That's top, it's the place. A little bit of rap. You still have the tiktokers doing their little thing with rap and stuff, but let's be honest.
Country is everywhere now, right? That's become more prevalent. When you look at TV Taylor Sheridan, right? He's running things. We were going to talk about him, but I was watching that show. Lioness very much a red stater, right? There's like little moments where he'll Preparing some comments, from the the MAGA crowd.
You're like, Oh, this is weird. There was like somebody, the kids were talking about trans rights. I'm like, where's this coming from? I want to see people get shot up. Yeah. So it's like Taylor shared and he's talking about the West, talking about military and he's got eight shows.
Roughly, really about seven shows, but Yellowstone's the top one. And so he's, dominated on television. So it does seem, there's just a groundswell of just conservatism, like coming to the forefront after the shift over to, obviously we had the Obama years, which, was somewhat of a shift, but, that's when we had the legalization of gay marriage right under Obama.
And then we had the opportunity to vote for white for a woman president and, yeah, man, just I think maybe people got says it's too much. We got to go back. And so now we're seeing the other side of this.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. And, it's funny, I think people in general people in general, haven't been seeing as much of it as is really out there because the platforms themselves tend to cater to leftist ideologies.
And I don't mean that to say threads, Facebook, and all those are inherently leftist, but they will punish more spicy talk from the right, then they will the same thing on the left and they're really not equivalent things. So I hesitate to say same thing, but yeah, if somebody starts talking about like there was an argument I saw online, a person said man, you need to quit blah, blah, blah.
And the person was like, don't misgender me. It was like, and you could tell the. I could tell the person was just talking how they speak like, man, you need to shut up, don't misgender me, man. What you talking about? The person literally didn't know. And I see all these comments like, yeah, don't misgender, don't misgender them.
And the guy was just like. What is y'all talking about this man is crazy, man. Come on The commenter didn't know and I just watched this whole argument spiral out of control and people arguing against other people and The
Real Theo Harvey: two
Mr.Benja: main call
Real Theo Harvey: it looks like parallel tracks people are Talking down to folks. I was show I was watching some TV show.
It was Oh, it was called. It was a horror film. It was hilarious, man, because they basically was using the Gen Z's language against them.
They
were freaking out because they thought there was a mass murderer in the house. But they were just like, Don't mislabel me. I'm on this. It's just all the terms that he used.
And I looked at that was a comedy because it's like That's how we feel. It's like they got all these different terms. I don't even understand half of them, right? Because I'm a little older. So I don't know that. But then also I think the vast majority of the country we see now don't really want to be this pronoun correctness this other stuff.
People don't want that anymore because it's like, For what?
Mr.Benja: And and I get it. People want
Real Theo Harvey: to be seen. I get it. People want to be seen. But yeah, it's becomes a point where it's just like it messes up communication because I didn't get your pronoun right and you're offended now. But so now I can't talk to you.
Mr.Benja: Exactly. And it's funny, I was at an art show and a guy was messing up his own pronouns. I was like, and they were trying to pull him to the side. No, he actually identified as him. That's right. Yeah, they were pulling him to the side like hey. And he's what are you talking about?
Anyway.
He messed up his own pronouns. I love it.
Yeah. So I don't want to go into it, but basically we need to go, it's a
Real Theo Harvey: Trump America, man. We got to start going into it.
Mr.Benja: Basically he was a cross dresser, but not transgender, right? So he just liked to dress in women's clothes, but he was not transgender.
This dude like works on cars and he's a. He identifies as a man, but he cross dresses and things. So when people were talking to him, he was referring to his dress and his style. And he's no, I don't care, man, woman, all that, I'm both and all that. And I'm like, No, dude, I know you and that's not what you're saying and then they tried to fight for him He's wait, what are you saying?
Did I say that? I don't know what I'm saying and I'm looking at him like oh gosh, this argument is just going bad It's in the middle of an art show. So I had to just Listen he's okay. It's they need to understand that I get it. I'm sorry. I think there's been a large miscommunication here.
There's punch over in the side of let's all have some, it was a very diverse crowd, but I could just tell that communication was going bad. Some people were arguing this and people were arguing that. Yeah. And, back to the point I was saying that, meta and all these social platforms have wanted to play it safe, so they've, by the process that they've instituted, have, I think, pushed back a lot of these voices, some rightfully, many rightfully but there's, it seems like there's just been a big quelling of a lot of the voices now that a lot of the voices are a little more free now, they feel a little more hey, we can say more of what we want, that's definitely going to show up in media and things like that.
Yeah. That's funny, man. Do you
Real Theo Harvey: see remember how Trump said he was going to arrest Mark Zuckerberg? Did you see Mark Zuckerberg? What'd he say when
Mr.Benja: Trump
Real Theo Harvey: got elected?
Mr.Benja: Zuck's been working out. He's not the same old Zuck, which y'all talking about.
Real Theo Harvey: He was very congratulatory.
Congratulations to Trump. Play to say with Donald Trump, this election, that strategy worked. He was very Hey, congratulations on winning the election. Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, and other business leaders. Congratulate Trump. Let's see. What is that word? Congratulations to President Trump on a decisive victory.
We have great opportunities ahead of us as a country. Looking forward to working with you and your administration. Now, let's be let's not forget Donald Trump said he would arrest Mark Zuckerberg. So we'll see. We should, someone should write this down. All the promises that that all the things that Trump said on the election and see which ones he Pull you know, he falls through one.
I would love to see that.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, like when he said obama is the founder of isis
Real Theo Harvey: But crazy like a fox man. Just say whatever man just to get the attention interest desire he's marketing one on one man. We didn't really get this, but branding Trump has been branding since day one, where it is branding of Trump media on, on his buildings. Or when he literally had said, Hey, I want to send these checks out, but I want to sign my name.
People who were low, quote unquote, low information voters. They remember you know what? Donald Trump did give me that check. So why not vote for back for him? I might get another check from him.
Mr.Benja: Yeah.
Real Theo Harvey: It may have been as simple as that, Mr. Benja.
Mr.Benja: No, dead serious, man. And and this is what I mean, man.
I do try to talk to people and it's painful.
Empathy and Understanding in Political Discourse
Mr.Benja: It really is because I did not come from a. As as a child growing up and everything, I didn't really come from a place where I wanted to, or felt the need to really talk to a lot of people. I was just like, I got my computer, my books, my cartoons my, my video games to get off me and I was just doing me.
Yeah, man the reluctance of everyone. Everyone trying to talk to each other, not talk at talk with, just guys got to talk to people, man. Just, Hey, where are you coming from? What's this about? And they're going to say some, they're going to say something crazy, even if it's from the left middle, some conspiracy stuff, whatever.
Someone's going to say something that you think is crazy. You have to realize you said something yourself that is crazy to them. We act like we're all the, We try to act like we're the same, that we're all equal and we are, but there's a cultural celebration of differences, I think that we need to have Hey, I'm over here.
You're over here. We're both people. Let's talk through it.
Real Theo Harvey: No, I will leave with this man. Just leave with empathy, man. Just. Consider everybody literally had a guy that was gonna right before the election, we had a hurricane down here, Hurricane Milton, he was going to do our backyard, cut the trees down and he was earnest.
He was like, Hey, man, I cut the tree down. I'll give you a good deal. That's okay. You're good business man. I can't get distracted because he had a red MAGA hat on. I was like okay. So I talked to my wife. Oh no, you'll give a chance. But man, I talked to him and I was like, he's a businessman and he's trying to make it happen.
Let's see if we can work together, man. So lead with empathy guys, don't go in there and just assume people are the worst because of what they, believe. I just hope, that. They get everything they want from this election. And if they don't, they realize, I just got to be more discreet, discriminatory next time to, to understand who I'm getting in bed with.
Because, and that's why I try to do like you, Mr. Benjamin, you get to a point in, as you get wiser, you realize, what, A lot of this stuff is not worth it, man. And you realize like lead with empathy, lead with kindness, rest of it's cause, cause what happens is if you get down that path, every little slight and offend be offended by every little thing, it just takes you off.
So your path so much that you'll never achieve the stuff that you want to achieve. And so you might as well just go down the path of least resistance. So you can focus on the things that really need your attention. Which is looking at yourself in the abyss to get to the next level. So yeah, that's my advice to everybody doing this interesting time.
Whether Trump stays in office forever or, arrest people, become a banana Republic. That's for other people to decide. But for me and my house, we're going to figure out what the next steps are. And if we got to get out of country, we'll get out of country.
Yeah.
Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Real Theo Harvey: Mr. Benji, anything else going on for you this week?
Mr.Benja: Oh man I'm getting comfortable in that abyss, man. It's like the cold plunge every morning. Just got to jump in it.
Real Theo Harvey: I love it. I love it. Whatever. We're going to wrap up. We went a little bit over the day, but man, I hope you guys really enjoyed this one.
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Mr.Benja: You too, my man.
Real Theo Harvey: Peace.