Show Vs. Business
Show Vs. Business
SvB Ep192 Tyson showed off his ASSets
Tyson vs Paul was a disaster and our search for realness continues in this Episode of Show vs Business.
00:00 Introduction and Weekly Catch-Up
01:15 The Vibe of Fakeness and Real Experiences
02:27 Travel Tales: Detroit Adventures
03:10 Movie Review: The Apprentice
08:18 Finding Flow and Productivity Hacks
19:55 Philosophical Musings on Community and AI
22:10 The Tyson vs. Paul Fight Breakdown
29:00 The Rise of a Fighter
29:57 The Misaligned Interests in Boxing
31:18 The Legacy of Mike Tyson
34:43 The Future of Live Sports Streaming
39:11 Disney's Earnings and Future Prospects
44:19 The Influence of Betting Markets
53:27 The Merging of Content Production and Consumption
54:22 Final Thoughts and Listener Engagement
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Introduction and Weekly Catch-Up
Real Theo Harvey: This is show versus business where pop culture meets pop money with your host, the real Theo Harvey and Mr. Benja. So Mr. Benja, what's going on this week?
Mr.Benja: Have you ever felt like you're tired of everything that's going on? There's so much noise coming through the streams, coming through Netflix, coming through social media, your people calling you and everybody just wants a piece of you, but you're like, you know what?
I've been here for a while, man. It just seems it's not about the real thing anymore. It's just about looking like the thing. I was feeling like that.
The Tyson Hoopla and Digital Noise
Mr.Benja: And then this Tyson hoopla started and we got to touch on it, man. Cause Tyson just did his thing and Paul did his thing and Bitcoin's doing his thing.
And Disney's doing their thing. Streaming is doing their thing. And sometimes not doing this thing. It's just like a lot of this digital stuff. I don't know, man something not quite real about it, but something very. I don't know. We got to talk about it. We got to break all this down. And that's just the vibes going on right now.
I don't know if you saw the fight or we'll get into it, of course, in a bit. But it's been an interesting week for me, man. How about you? How have you been?
Real Theo Harvey: Man No, I'm actually pretty good, man. Yes.
Real Experiences in Detroit
Real Theo Harvey: There's this vibe of fakeness out there and what's real was not, but I had a real experience.
I had a chance to go to detail Detroit and spend some time up there for a couple of days and stay downtown. Just got the vibe of the city was impressed. Yeah, man, just got a chance to travel a little bit and can see what's going on in the world. And definitely have it's cold. I'm in florida.
So going up there, it's like 45 degrees. I know that's a brisk spring wind for those folks up there. But for me, I'm layered up, got my undercoat.
Mr.Benja: For some reason, I imagine like you and Big Sean going to 8 Mile to watch a, underground rap battle. Oh, nice.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I would love to see where that I passed 8 Mile a couple of times, there's 7 Mile, 6 Mile.
I stayed actually downtown and literally you're right there about six blocks from. Canada, Windsor, Canada. So I could have just walked across the bridge and went to Canada for a little bit. So maybe I'll go check that out next time I go visit. But yeah, man, cool little city, man. So definitely enjoyed the vibe.
And so I'm looking forward to go visit again. Have you ever been to Detroit?
Mr.Benja: I've been to Detroit on very few small occasions, but yes, I have one was highlighted by me and my mother being stalked by this shady looking dude. And I kept thinking like, if we walk through the shopping area, surely he won't show up here.
And me and my mom went to she's Oh, let's take a little break. Go shopping over here. Just look, see what's happening. And we're like looking at stuff to buy and the shady dude shows up again. And I'm like, yo Detroit, y'all trippin And that was my, it was a bad impression first off, but yeah,
Real Theo Harvey: no, man, I love it.
I love it. And then the other thing I did, so traveling nice long flights.
Movie Review: The Apprentice
Real Theo Harvey: I had the opportunity to catch up on my movies. Have you heard this little known movie called The Apprentice?
Mr.Benja: Yes. My mind jumped to Trump because we were talking about him before, but the movie, The Apprentice,
Real Theo Harvey: go ahead.
It is about Trump. Basically it's a movie he probably didn't want you to see. It was very controversial when it first was announced basically about his time when he was, Basically the beginning stages of him becoming a real estate magnet that he became there in New York city and how he met a Roy Cohn coin who coin, am I saying that right?
Coin. Apologize if I'm saying it wrong, but he he was his mentor on how to navigate the mean streets of New York and get things done. And basically the rules that Roy Cohn gave to Donald Trump in his younger days are all rules that. We hear Donald Trump doing over and over again. I think one of the rules was like, never, ever admit that you're wrong.
Always fight, don't stop fighting. And even when you lose, act like you win. So is these three rules over and over again that we've seen Trump enact and it all came from Roy. And if you don't know who Roy Coyne was, he actually was a part of MacArthur. I had to do the research on him.
He was a lawyer under MacArthur. And obviously, MacArthur was, big on the red scare and trying to, get people, labels communist in the fifties. And so he became a prominence cause he was actually the one that prosecuted, I think it's the Rosenbergs who were convicted of being Soviet spies.
And so he, became really known for that. They became a lawyer in New York and just had was power brokers to the mayor of New York and everybody. And so I guess he took a shine in the movie, which is, It's a journalist that directed and wrote it. So he, some of the facts are there, obviously, and it's shot like a documentary.
So it's weird. It was shot like old school 16 millimeter film. So it was grainy. Yeah, it looks grainy. And so it looks like you're actually in a documentary film, even though it's a, it's a film, it's a narrative fictional,
Mr.Benja: I'm looking at the trailer now. And yeah, I get what you're saying.
It's oh, okay. I thought this was real footage for a second that they somehow had, but no it's filmed old way. And why is it 1999 to rent online? I know.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, I went ahead and bought it. Yeah. For instance, I want to check it out because I don't think he got a big film released because it was very controversial because it was about trump.
And people were scared to distribute it because they felt trump will sue them because let's be honest, there's some nasty portrayals of him in the movie. Some of the things he said he never did or has been alleged of doing, it's portrayed in the movie. But I would say this, the guy who played Trump was Sebastian Stan.
If you don't know who that is, it's Bucky Barnes from the winter soldier, right? He's enmeshed in Marvel MCU world. It's been playing these little indie movies here and there. And so he plays Trump. I was impressed. He did a great job, man. He actually had to play Trump in two different areas in the early late seventies when he's just getting started.
He's a young man. So there's some Trumpness about him, but it's not fully formed. And then he paid plays him later where that Trumpness is there, right? The cadence, the exaggeration. The, the gaudiness and all that that he played that to pitch. He may not sound exactly like him, but the cadence and everything was like amazing.
So kudos to him, man, who knew he had that in him and the guy who plays the winter soldier, man, there you go. But yeah, great movie.
Mr.Benja: So this is interesting. And we're going to talk about streaming later, but this is fascinating. How long has this been out? This okay. I'm out this year. Okay. But yeah, for something of this style, I wouldn't have expected it to be At 25 to buy and 20 to rent right off the bat.
But I guess if you've got that type of, you're going to get a certain amount of people who are going to buy it and watch it anyway, might as well put it up there instead of 499.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah. It's not like a map. It's not made for mass media. Cause it's not complimentary to them. And even the ones who, it's basically.
You could probably find people who hate this movie on both sides, right? It probably doesn't go hard enough. It doesn't go hard enough for the people that don't like him. And it is definitely not just a beautiful portrayal of Trump as he ascends into the heavens, right?
So it's it's fair, I think, and balanced. And the actor humanizes him, right? That's got to be hard. It's hard. It's very easy for presidents let alone someone like Trump, to become almost a caricature, right? Just someone that you just look at and just Oh yes, this is how he sounds.
Even Obama, we all know how Obama speaks now because we were inundated with it right for eight years. This is not how it's going to go. That yeah. And this is how we talk, that long pause with a clip, and then we all know how Trump talks, this is great. Wonderful.
Mr.Benja: But rad people. Bad people on there, but this guy, he's great. I love him. I talked to his mother. Her mother's great. Yeah.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, exactly. So we all had that. So it's hard for presidents, to become just like the broad strokes, but he actually found some moments of humanity in a person that, some people think doesn't have any.
So it was great. Great. I thought it was a good movie, man. So yeah, kudos to them. So anyway, what about you, how was your weekend?
Finding Flow and Productivity
Mr.Benja: So with this every time I come on, I've been talking about different, we talk about books. We read revisiting books. I'm going back through personality isn't permanent by Benjamin Hardy.
It's just been working on my flow. And, when you look back at something like a book or training or something, a second and third time you start looking at Oh, okay. I'm, I thought I was doing that, but I really wasn't doing it. I was just, going through the motions maybe, but I really wasn't invested.
I really didn't get it and feel it. So I just started getting in my flow this week. And there was the whole thing about, not just with Benjamin Hardy, this whole thing about flow and, Hey, if you're going to do this one thing, do that one thing and cut everything else off. With playing games and, like watching movies or whatever.
I was like, man, I shouldn't be watching this movie, but last week it was working. Oh, you just juggling stuff. And I'm like, okay, what do I cut off? What do I not? Alex Hormozy, it's put yourself in a room with no decorations on the wall or anything. And I was like, okay, I'm not that type of, that's not how I work basically.
But I got into a flow where I was like, what if I only, Listen to this one playlist of music, that's all I listen to and I didn't even worry about trying to figure out other music. It's just like whenever I get home from the gym, I listen to this playlist whenever I'm about to go to bed.
I watch Batman whenever, getting very specific about how I do certain things and my God, I've been able to get more done and been able to up the amount of nonsense at the same time. It's incredible. If I'm like, if I say I'm going to bed at nine and it's creeping around like seven 30, I'm thinking to myself, I have an hour and a half of Batman and this I can watch, or I can try to get stuff done and, crunch that down to maybe 45 minutes of Batman and whatever else I, watch.
And there were a few YouTubers I check out. That's, that would be the other thing. It's funny how you can streamline the amount of nonsense and still get all of that done. And, people like a lot of people do this where it's nah, I got to have my time for games. I got to have my time for this and that, but they streamline it so well that it doesn't disrupt them.
And yeah, even like cheat days and eating garbage food. You're like, how can the rock eat this and that on this day? He's Hey, he's just streamline the process. He knows when he's going to eat an entire pizza and a box of wings. All at once. It's just streamlined. So in a good flow this week, man,
Real Theo Harvey: I love it, man.
You hit the point nail on the head. It's, I think Benjamin Hardy talks about it. You need your rest time, right? That's how you are able to get the energy. And I think sometimes we live in a world that's always on with the algorithms, always demanding our attention and time with notifications and all that.
We Yeah. Yeah. Think that we're a machine too, that we can just go. But you're right, man. Sometimes like today, I slept in to me, slept in late at seven o'clock, usually I get up at five low. No, and usually I, I get up early and I do some work for business and all that, but I was like, you know what, man, I want to do work for business.
So I Leisurely just got some coffee, just check some things real quick and then, went to Sam's club and looked at some Christmas gifts and things like that. Yeah, man, and I was like, wow, I don't never, usually on Saturdays, I'm up working or grinding, but I was like, you know what?
It's good to just, Switch it up a little bit. To your point, because I think that allows you to be in that flow. Cause I was in the flow this week. We were traveling for business, I got a sales guy. Now we're grinding that, the marketing guys pinging me, I got some operation stuff.
I lost one of my resellers, trying to figure out, we're going to get some new customers. I was juggling this week, man. But yeah, but it was good just to relax and then have some family stuff last night. They wanted to go to this winter land and I'm tired. So I went, yeah it's a lot, man.
So I just I need
Mr.Benja: a break, but you know what, it's funny. The break I've started to view it more as there, there isn't, with the flow, you're talking about cycles and, perfect circle of just bring up, Loki and the infinite timeline circle and all that nonsense again.
Instead of having a quote unquote break, you have these transition moments or these switches over into, where you're just flowing from your work into your relaxation and different parts of you take the forefront while different parts of you relax or whatever. So I'm working and I'm thinking, man, my Batman time and my sleep time and my wake time.
That's no longer like a break. That's just another part of me getting in its flow. You
know what I
mean? So dude, I got home one day and my, I was thinking to myself, cause it's something to look forward to. And I'm looking forward to Oh man, I'm going to get home. I'm going to, I'm going to play some games a little bit.
I'm going to eat some gummy bears and da. I looked around. I was like. I ain't got no gummy bears. I ain't got no gummy bears. And my, my, my little, that part of my life started to just fall apart. I'm like, how can I play games and grow up? I had this thought about, screw it. Jumped back in the car.
Took off to the store, got my gummy bears. And I actually ended up getting licorice, but whatever.
Real Theo Harvey: I got home,
Mr.Benja: did the thing, have fun with it. And what's interesting is while I'm having fun, I'm thinking about work in the background. And when I'm thinking about work, I'm thinking about play in the background, but while I'm working, I'm like, Oh yeah, I could do that, jotted out a little note.
Oh yeah, this will be that. I'll get to that in the morning. Cause in the morning, it'll be time for that to start up. That's okay. It can wait. But and it wasn't like this pressure on me. I just knew the cycle was moving. I got a whole new view on the thing. So
Real Theo Harvey: no, you said a good point. It's like there's different parts of you, right?
And I thought about that too. I think Jerry Seinfeld said this before. It's He did a joke about, night, you is hanging out, having a good time drinking, eating wings, doing whatever. And you just having a good time. He said, should I have another drink? Yeah, I should screw morning me.
And so it's he was able to dissect between the night you and the morning you. And cause then the morning you was like waking up, Oh, what am I night? Me do I'm hurting my head hurts and I got, I'm late for work. And I started to do that too. Sometimes I'll like, okay. I got to figure all this out today.
And then I, I did this one thing. I shipped all this stuff out and all this stuff. I said how I'm going to do all this on this. You know what? I said that's deals tomorrow deals problem. I'm not gonna worry about that. So I like what you just said. It's sometimes you have to bifurcate yourself where there is like job duties, okay. That's a job. Like sometimes I have all these things on my head on Friday. I said, you know what? That's Monday deals problem. It's friday. Theo, he's gonna sit down and watch this show. And so I like what you said. It's like you have to have the other side of you take over because they're, they need their flow too.
And so once they're in their flow, then it's like balance. It's very similar to the substance. If you ever watched that movie we've talked about. Yeah, you gotta have that flow. You gotta have the other you. Evolve because it needs the other you to sustain and vice versa. And so if you don't let the other you out, then you just get crammed with too much work and then you're not very productive.
And to your point, you're right when I'm watching movies or something like that, so many ideas come to my head. I think I was watching, yeah, I was watching the apprentice and some new ideas came up. I said, let me write that down and then, just. Go back into the movie, but to your point, work Theo is hey, that was a good idea.
Chill Theo. Thank you
Mr.Benja: It's funny. I even have a specific Jotbook just for when I'm sitting down watching nonsense So I just keep it right next to my laptop Next to me. And then it's I'm sitting there watching something. I'm like this anime is very, you know what I could do with that spreadsheet.
And then I get back and watch the anime.
Real Theo Harvey: Another thing too, since I, employ people and have all these jobs, typically if I got an idea. I just write an email and I don't send it. I just have it sitting in my drive. So I just it's out of my head
and
email. Yeah. So that's the thing I have to just, Oh, they could do this.
It could do this. I said, I just, let me just send it instead of sending it. It used to, I used to send it when I thought about it, but now I just let it sit for a little bit. So there's more, I want to add to it or add more nuance or, it gives me time to let it rest there, to me that helps me and then, I guess my team is getting to the point where I'm Point where I'll send these long emails and there'll be just points of like different things.
I want to cover, either they did do or didn't do right or they should do below. Okay, and I'll send it usually around the same time. Like six in the morning on Mondays, it's let's go wake up. I know, man. I hate it when I got stuff like that from my boss, but just because if I don't man, it just sits there and lingers and then what happens?
And then, and then also I set it up where I only have one meeting with them like once a week. So that way, if they haven't asked me a question, I said, just wait till let's just wait till Friday. If it's super critical, fine, I'll deal with it. But if it's not, let's wait till Friday. So yeah, it's, you're right, it's, you got to compartmentalize or if you don't, man, you'll just go crazy.
I,
Mr.Benja: no, totally. If you want to really woo book reference, that'll take you off into woo land. Oh. Ecker tole the, oh yeah. Heard power. Yep. That's a tole. Yeah. Very. You could put his, you could put his audio books on, on seven x and still be looking for the, how do I speed this up
Real Theo Harvey: is that a function of the way he talks? Yes, the concepts are pretty straightforward,
Mr.Benja: No, the concepts are not straightforward. They need to take, it takes a bending of the mind to okay, I've been thinking about things in this way. And he doesn't start you off from your way of thinking.
He's you need to think like this. And you're like, And then he's if you consider where life, and then now, and you're like, Oh my God, what are you talking about? And you can't like speed through it too much because then you'll trip up and lose yourself. And yeah, it's, he's an interesting guy. I'm not like advocating him, but if you listen to him and you figure out what he's talking about, you'll definitely see that, Oh, there's a completely different way of thinking that I probably I wouldn't say look into or try to apply to myself, but, when you realize something is happening a completely different way than you've been doing it, it just gives you a variation where you're able to like, okay, that is a perspective.
Not that I'm going to go with it, but just having that other facet out there is very interesting.
Real Theo Harvey: He's still around too, man. 76 years old, man out there in these streets. And that brings up a good point, man. We've always had. Yeah. Gurus. It's just funny. It's just yeah, we got these YouTube gurus and influencers, right?
But it's we had the book guys, right? We had the business gurus, right? And probably before then we had the with the traveling Sales guys or whatever that people looked up to. So it's I think we're just all searching for that. Someone's got to answer. Someone's got the answer.
Who's got the answer for me. Oh, he's got the answer today. Oh, no, maybe he's got the answer today. So it's just I love it, man. It's just interesting to understand that's just part of human nature, man. So that's a scary part too, because. I, I predict once AI becomes good enough, man, there'll be spitting out these AI influencers, man, like water and they'll have like tribes of people.
No, I listened to him. AI, AI Theo, or I listened to AI. Benjamin, is
Mr.Benja: Yeah yeah, there's a fair amount of that out there. I told you, I started listening to a speech by Denzel Washington, and I was like, he sounded pretty robotic, and then it turns out he was AI, and I thought it was a Denzel Washington speech,
Real Theo Harvey: oh, no. Yeah. Yeah, man, this stuff is getting crazy, man. Cause we just as human beings, we're just, there's a piece of us that wants to join and be a part of something bigger.
Philosophical Thoughts on Community
Real Theo Harvey: And and we talked about the man, we're getting very philosophical here on show versus business, but please guys flow with us.
So
Mr.Benja: we'll bring it back around.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah. We'll bring it right back. But it's we're not loyal to cities anymore. Towns really, every so often, I don't really feel like I'm part of Tampa, right? Yes, I can go around and do stuff, but there's people who are, they're on boards and they do stuff, but I don't think a vast majority of people feel committed to a city or town like we once did.
But so let's say I like Tampa Bay Bucks, but that's a sports team, right? So it's like I could be a Tampa Bay Bucks fan, but I live in San Francisco. So it's you're not attracted to the city so much, but you're attracted toward, categories of the city. And likewise, there's fans of Alex Ramosi, there's fans of Dan Henry. And you just, that's who you are. And then what if the the gurus start to war with each other, we're no longer seeing ourselves warring as cities, states, and countries. Are we warring as, followers of this tribe. Does that make sense? So I wonder if that's where it's going.
So be curious to see, because I think it's easier to amass. Even us, we have a small following. We, we're mayors of a small little town in some places,
Mr.Benja: yeah, it's, Hey tell somebody you're on any social network and somebody will jump in and say, man, that's oh, geez, here we go.
Real Theo Harvey: So anyway, I just think the evolving nature of what it means to have a connectedness, like for instance, even my neighbors, I know a few of them, but not like we used to. And it's and they're literally right next door to me. But I probably feel more closer to people I've never met personally with those pair of social relationships online.
So anyway, that's just something, more low woo philosophical thoughts I'm having around what does it mean to have a community?
The Tyson vs. Paul Fight
Mr.Benja: And I think this is a good lead into Our talk here because I was feeling things during this Tyson fight and I realized that, for those, I don't know when you're listening to this, but Mike Tyson just finished his fight with Jake Paul.
Ended up losing by decision. It was a big hoopla was a 58 year old boxer. Hasn't really been really fighting since 1990 and back gets back in the ring with this young whippersnapper and
Real Theo Harvey: slash influencer, let's put it at influencer slash
Mr.Benja: podcast slash podcaster slash energy drink.
Pedaler . Huckster . Yeah. Slash crypto apologist. You can throw a lot of things his way, but boxer, an athlete is, wasn't really one of them until just recently and. So this whole thing comes up, people are interested in fights and because of UFC and all that is boxing going to return.
And, this has been the biggest boxing draw for a while, classic figure versus young figure, which is also something that's been going on. The old versus new kind of, thoughts on the internet millennials versus, gen alpha, okay. Boomer versus, Gen Z or whatever.
It's been a thing. So now you have this big fight that comes up And it's streaming on Netflix. Don't know if we have any Netflix numbers on, how many new subscribers they got or anything, but. It's been a lot of talk and I don't know, Theo, did you see this? Did you see the fight?
Real Theo Harvey: No.
Mr.Benja: Why not? Why not?
Real Theo Harvey: I wanted to, I fell asleep. I watched the undercard, the women, the fighters can't remember their name right now. We'll look them up, but I was getting ready for it. And I, Fell asleep and so even my wife fell asleep. So we you know, I was gonna watch the You know just to see you know, what is it about people don't realize I mean I heard rumors that it was boring and all this other stuff, but that's just boxing man you very rarely gonna get knockouts.
That's the hypness of it, right? We saw The promotion of Mike Tyson, slapping Logan Paul and everybody's, Oh, this is gonna be a fight now. And he, and then Tyson say, I'm gonna kill him and all this other crap. And if you know anything about boxing, that's just language, man.
Just get people to click. Yes, I want to watch this, right? So it's not something that's been, that hasn't been done before. But to answer your question succinctly, no, I didn't watch it, but I got the sense of what it was just from reading stuff. And then also yeah, this is the first time, did you watch it?
Mr.Benja: I was scared to, and I opted not to, and when I say I was scared to, because I hold boxing in certain competitions in a category that I like, don't want to see messed with too much, and I felt the whole scenario was just going in a bad direction, and I didn't like it. I didn't like the way it felt, I didn't like the way It was just promoted.
It just felt like a big sham, and not necessarily that they weren't going to try their best, but it's if Tyson wins, what does that mean? If Tyson loses, what does that mean? If Paul wins, what does that mean? If Paul loses, what, it just didn't feel like a competition. It felt like this silly show.
And I didn't like that. I was like, I just don't like the feeling of it. I'm not even going to watch it. Yeah. So I just,
Real Theo Harvey: which it was, from Rosie Perez being one of the ringside commentators, I didn't know Rosie Perez was involved in boxing like that. It's what's Rosie Perez?
Mr.Benja: Someone called her the queen of boxing.
And I'm like, You mean from her? Do the right thing. Dance off in the be in . What? In the eighties. .
Real Theo Harvey: Get outta here. That's what I'm saying. I typed in Queen of Boxing and her name did not come up in YouTube. Man. Excuse me, Google. Yeah, I think mom said that. It's something that.
Yeah. Look, man, I'm looking like three, three pages down. I don't see Rosie Perez. No. Oh, here it is. 2018. How Rosie Perez became the first lady. Oh, she's the first lady of boxing. Okay. Yes. So it was, it's a New York Times article, but it, I had to go to the second page of Google to figure that out.
But anyway, so that from that to just the foolishness of Lennox Lewis. He was there with his bald head. I didn't even recognize him because, Remember he had those locks back in the day. Evander Holyfield, basically, not really talking too much. It just, they brought the whole cart of old boxes out there, man.
It was just bananas. And then finally there was a scene. I don't know if you saw it. Is it, I don't know if it went viral or not, but me and my wife cracked up. They talked to Mike Tyson right before we went to the rink and he was like, yeah, I'm going to be ready. We ready. Yeah. And he turned around and his ass was just out for the world to see, just like what he was like, he was talking, he turned around and everybody was like, what was that?
I said, Oh, this is that
Mr.Benja: kind of thing. Tyson gives no F's anyway. And
Real Theo Harvey: did you see that? Did that go viral? I don't know. I didn't check. Did that go viral? Do you know what I'm talking about? I don't know.
Mr.Benja: I don't know. I don't know how viral it went, but I was, I don't want to see his ass, man.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, but it was just, but the thing was, it was unexpected, right?
That was the thing that got you. So it was like, he was talking, he had clothes on, everything was fine. And when he turned around, did nothing but ass. It was just like what
Mr.Benja: happened here? The boxing trunks and the way they do their thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's
sure in
Real Theo Harvey: case you didn't say Yeah it, it was too much, man.
But anyway, but the long story short yeah, man, it's, it was a foolish, it was just the hypness, it was on Netflix, we're paying for it anyway, so it was cool to have that. But I think the technologies, the live technology for Netflix, they still need to figure that out because there's a lot of glitches, a lot of slowdowns from the stuff we saw before the fight actually went on.
And then when people finally watch boxing, they realize how boring it can be, right? If it's not like a knockout in the first, 30 seconds,
Mr.Benja: Okay, so that and that type of fight that we saw you've got to consider what you're watching and, in any competition, it's like, you hope that these people are invested in the competition.
What is Tyson there for? Does he really dislike this kid? Probably not, as a human, as a person or whatever, probably doesn't dislike him, maybe annoyed by him, but it's like, Hey, man, I'm, I've become a philosopher. I have a podcast about smoking weed, basically hot boxing with Mike Tyson.
I'm chillin. I've started, going on tour, talking to people. I'm this philosopher now. And when you go watch a boxing match, a lot of times it's yo, this kid came from, the Bronx.
The Rise of a Fighter
Mr.Benja: This kid came from Queens. This kid came from, Detroit. Terrible history and he fought his way up through life.
And now he's here boxing. Wow, here's a story I could get into. And it's one side we have, this guy pushing his energy drink on the other side. We have this old philosopher, who just wants to see what he can do in the ring. Major props to both of them, but it's not like their core essence is to be in there competing about boxing.
It's something completely different. Because of that, when I watched it, I didn't watch it. I saw some clips and I was like, Oh yeah, this old guy. Mike Tyson. I love him. I don't know if you know about him, but I really like Mike Tyson. It's yeah, there's this older guy in the ring. He doesn't want to get hurt.
There's a part of him that's not who's yeah, I don't want to, I don't want to get hurt. I still have a life to live. That's why I'm out here doing this because I have a life to live. I don't want to get hurt and mess up the rest of that life.
The Misaligned Interests in Boxing
Mr.Benja: And then you've got this kid who's if I beat this guy or if I get beaten, then, where's my promotion?
What am I doing? So now I've got to. So if you look at both of them, none of them, neither of them are going to go balls to the wall and, just duke it out. None of them are going to be replaying too seriously with this because neither wants to get hurt or really hurt the other person.
The interests are misaligned. It just didn't feel right to me on that respect. So
Real Theo Harvey: you're a purist. You're a boxing purist, huh? You gotta come in. You gotta leave it all on the ground on the street, man. This is I'm ready. You are my way through to a better life, and I gotta punch you out, to get there.
That was never evident in either of those men's eyes right now, and it was even shown. I think the data said that think he only hit Logan 19 times and he only box. Like he only do 97 punches throughout the whole match. So that shows you it's and then he said there were two matches that he didn't even connect at all.
He, so it was like, he was just out there, man. And then even Logan Paul admitted. That he did not, he slowed down a little bit. So it's what are we watching here, man? We want to see people who are locked in something that, that means, almost near life and death to them.
Tyson, and that's what we were, that's also the thing that kind of stood me the wrong way. You're right.
The Legacy of Mike Tyson
Real Theo Harvey: It's like old versus new. They really were getting to know the styles of play. Folks like us that grew up on Tyson. Remember the raw, in the raw, you just see everything in his face, the pain, the anger, the frustration, right?
You remember the water boy, remember that scene in the water boy where he's running, as a linebacker as a DB defensive back and then the commentator freeze frames and show his face. Look at that face. That's a face of anger, frustration.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, no, it's there's, If you get down to any think about any competitive movie where there are two fighters or two sports teams or whatever, a hero and a villain, they've got these sides and you look at one person and you put a big sign over their head and that's their thing like I'm I don't like you.
I'm going to hurt you. This is for my city. I have a family to feed, whatever. Yeah. I've been doing this my entire life. If I fail now, I'm going back to the ghetto. If I lose here, my image is shot. There's some thing that's hanging over their head that makes them really want to win and not to lose.
And that competitive aspect was completely not almost completely absent from this, except even if you look at Mayweather, Mayweather's I got this legacy, I'm the best, and if I lose to you, I'm not the best, so guess what? I'm gonna be the best. And I'm like, okay, let me sit down and watch to see if this guy's still gonna be the best.
Real Theo Harvey: He's very defensive and he's not going to let you hit his face. And, when you watch the Mayweather Pacquiao fight that was the big thing that was going to inbox him. And I actually was in Vegas during that time when it happened. Yes, man. Everybody was super excited. And when you watch the fight, you're like, Oh, This is what we signed up for, that's, yeah,
Mr.Benja: and I didn't even add in that aspect of it where it's yeah, boxing is boring and technical in a lot of ways
Real Theo Harvey: because you're setting things up for later.
You said, okay, it's like chess, right? I hit him with the left hook, he's taking that. He forgot about it. Oh, I'm going to remember that the third round. So it's that's what you're doing. In the midst of all that, but the thing that made Tyson, but to your point, Tyson was that's the thing we were looking at 58.
Yeah, we grew up on that. We were looking at 58, 58 year old Tyson. Like he was 18 year old Tyson that raw. Like I'm going to kill you. You my way out the ghetto. I'm about to do this thing. And that's what made him so compelling because he was going to destroy you if you didn't do it right. And when he got knocked out by Buster Douglas out of the blue, we were all like shocked, right?
Cause he had. Lost a step. He lost that desire a little bit. And it was never the same after that, but yeah, Tyson, has always been exciting character for those who grew up on it. But now to your point, he has evolved beyond that. The year had a Broadway play right at one time, that went around. Yeah. I didn't know you were such a Tyson fan, man. Wow. Who knew? I've known you for 30 years, almost a Tyson
Mr.Benja: fan. I'll tell you offline. I'll tell you offline. I got something in the works. I want to do.
Real Theo Harvey: Show versus business uncut. We'll give you uncut version later.
I love it, man. Okay. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, I hear you, man. Like I said, I think we both got it. So look guys, we didn't watch it. So we're not going to sit here and say, we did hope you enjoyed it. But if you like vast majority of people who saw that mess, I don't think anyone had really enjoyed it. It is got fell into the hype and it was on Netflix.
Kudos to Netflix trying to do more interesting things with live. Sports and stuff like that. So do
The Evolution of Live Sports Streaming
Mr.Benja: you watch a lot of live streams? Sports? Live
Real Theo Harvey: sports. Yeah. Yeah. I watch. Yeah. I watch Lakers a lot. I watch, watch the NFL football, those are the kinds of things I watch, and baseball every now and then.
Yeah.
And then, but most of the time, to your point, I watch, sometimes I even watch his highlights on YouTube because I don't have time to watch the whole shit. Those YouTube highlights, man, they get through in 20 minutes. You're like, cool. But Yeah. But you know what, it's driving sports now, though, Mr.
Benji, what's driving live sports though. What's that? What's that gambling. Yeah. Cause college football's on right now as we are, as we're talking, there's some games, I think Colorado, which is, run by primetime Deon Sanders. And his son who probably will be the Heisman winner.
They're playing a sucky team right now. And, but guess what? People are watching it, man. People are watching it because they're betting. And so I think that's, what's driving a lot of live sports too. Cause that's one of the few things that, you feel like it can't be fixed. There's always ways you can do it, but it's just so many different variables that you would have to fix.
That'd be almost impossible. So people are looking to bet more. So I see that happening more and more where live sports, and that's why Netflix is dipping their toe. Into these type of things because they see the future and news, right? Prime. We just talked about that. What last week before the election or two weeks ago prime, amazon prime did a live news cast election night.
So these streamers are now starting to dip into live programming. And so my prediction. We got to do a prediction episode. I know we'll do it. We're going to see more and more. Yeah, we're going to see more and more of these streamers just dip into everything the network is doing right now.
And pretty soon, we're just going to go to the streaming channels to see everything because they have more money. The Netflix, the only thing keeping TV linear TV, that's what they call that includes cable television alive. A lot of times is advertising live advertising and if they can't sustain that because they can't keep paying.
Football, I forgot how much football was not a basketball was like 30 billion or something. It's expensive to get their, the streaming rights. So it's just going to go up. So if you don't got the capital, you can't play.
Mr.Benja: Was I was on. When I got on online during the fight not during the fight during the election it's funny, I opened up YouTube and there was a different bar.
It was like my normal continue watching. Hey, here's some things, we are suggesting for you and all that. But then there was like a whole strip cut out that said, live election coverage, and you can just swipe through all the live streams going on about the election. And so during events, you'll see more and more of that.
Like you go to Amazon sometimes and there's a, Hey, check this out. This is happening live, live right now, Instagram. We got used to doing that where no matter what you're doing, if there's somebody doing a live. That gets priority and it pops up at the very top. And, it's Hey, this person is talking live right now.
And there's something very alluring about. The live thing, even when it's not that exciting, you're like, Hey, this is happening when, right now, you
Real Theo Harvey: just want to
Mr.Benja: tune in. I think you
Real Theo Harvey: and I have an experiment with live, right? I went live a couple of times. I used to use Thursday night live. So I would interview entrepreneurs.
I think you did some lives for a while, right? Just every day, almost a year. Yeah. So yeah, maybe that's coming back. I'm hearing, I think Nikki Saunders talked about that, people, more of these influencers are going live to cause they've seen better numbers, that, that instant reaction. So yeah, 2025 might be the year alive and, we know 2024 So that's a, definitely 2025 might be a year. You gotta go live. We're going live effort. We're going live.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, and I want to wrap this in the you were talking about, wait a minute We said Netflix, Amazon, does Disney do any live streaming at all?
Real Theo Harvey: Nah, not yet. Oh you know what they are They're doing something unique and different. They're doing Dancing with the Stars It's not actually live, but it's it's pre recorded, but it used to be on network television And so I'm familiar with that Dancing with the stars, right?
That's been around for 20 years. So they got some, we know who's going to win. There's always some young super dancer like Maya was on one year. She should have won, it's always, this is the person that really should win. They got some athletes, which I can move, barely have rhythm and then you got some old folks, out there doing their thing, coasting on goodwill.
So it's interesting mix of folks. But yeah, so they're experimenting.
Disney's Earnings and Future Prospects
Real Theo Harvey: But did you know that Disney also announced their earnings? They're basically Q3 earnings this year, this week. Did you see that news? And I did not check out any of
Mr.Benja: Their earnings news.
No.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, man. So what do you think they were happy about this year so far? And you're reading the notes. So you're reading the notes. So
Mr.Benja: well, no, even without the notes I was about to say, the only thing I could think of would be inside out too. And because I know Agatha all along is cute, but it ain't catching those kinds of numbers.
Real Theo Harvey: Nah,
Mr.Benja: Nah.
Real Theo Harvey: Did you ever check up Agatha all along yet?
Mr.Benja: I'm still mad at WandaVision and the way they played that whole thing. So it might be like 2027 and I call you up. Hey man, I just checked out.
Real Theo Harvey: It was pretty good, man. It's a little too devilish for me, but yeah, literally this is.
Mr.Benja: I'm gonna check it out. I'm gonna check it
Real Theo Harvey: out. But it was good. It was, it had a good storyline. And then the penguin, surprisingly, people were raving about that finale. So I don't know if you had a chance to check that out. But maybe we'll talk about it in the year pod review.
Mr.Benja: How many episodes is the penguin?
Real Theo Harvey: Eight? I think it's eight.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I did want to do it nightly watch an episode every night. So I had no, Yeah,
Real Theo Harvey: put your list together. Maybe we'll do best of, we'll go over some stuff that we watched and we'll talk to him. Yeah, we got to December. You got to December, Mr.
Bish. So go ahead and get your fake Gmail account set up so you can get that free trial. Oh, you didn't hear that from me. How to get around the subscriptions. Anyway what we're about to say. Yeah. Yes, inside out to and Deadpool Wolverine number one and two movie of the year for did it's phenomenally well for Disney.
Obviously, they're both billion dollar makers. They're both conveniently are on streaming Disney. Plus they're streaming show channel. And the think as of last quarter, they have 4. 4 million additional subscribers to, to Disney Plus, and they saw revenue rise 6% from the year before. So they roughly were making about 22, 22 and a half billion dollars every quarter.
So kudos to Bob Iger, conquering hero returns, after Chip Pick was kicked to the curb. Yeah. Iger went back to the classics, it's got MO two up next, which rumor is that's gonna be even bigger than Inside Out too, right? Did you, all of you watch grace from, what's it? Inside, was it outside the trailer or what was hers? I always forget just grace. That's all I know from she always, she goes do a breakdown of all the different Nielsen ratings for the streamers. Moana, the first Moana is always like number one or two for a year for years, basically, since she's been doing it.
So a Moana to release and remember Moana two was originally going to be straight to streaming. So they just repurposed it. And now it's going to be. A a movie and they're going to, and they're going to do a live action movie with the rock. So yeah, kudos to Moana too. I think, yeah, I'm already taking the kids wherever we're going to go.
So that's going to be a big movie for Disney as well. But yeah, man, Disney's, I guess it's cooking again, man. Stock is up. I'm loving at the stock market. Any thoughts on Disney's earnings announcements?
Mr.Benja: For some reason, part of me just had a thought. I'm like, What if these major corporations just started their own Cryptocurrency like the the Mickey coin, I'm sitting here wondering if I could trade hey can I buy this? This for 10 Mickey's and it's I'm sorry, we don't accept Mickey's here.
You'll have to convert them into Elon doges and say, Oh man, I don't want to convert to Elon doges. It's sorry, we only accept the doge. So you got to convert, but I'm going to do it for you. Yeah, it's going to be weird, but no, that's the only thing I thought of with Disney earnings.
Real Theo Harvey: And you bring a good point, Bitcoin is at an all time highs.
It hit 90, 000. Recently I think right before the election what, November 4th, it was at November 5th. It was at 68, 000. So it shot up what 30 percent in 10 days. So now we got all the Bitcoin bros out there shilling their shit coins again. Sorry. They are. So now we're going to have that crap again.
It's oh, scam malicious man. Remember all the scams during the Bitcoin era, including FX. FTX, which has Sam Beckman freed in jail right now. So it seems like they, guess what, man, what's those scenes in the movies? They knock on the door. Guess what? We're bringing the gang all back together.
Mr.Benja: It's an all new heist, Kim Kardashian. Kim Kardashian. And yeah, we talked about Paul earlier. What, wait, was that the right Paul? Jake Paul, it was at Logan. Paul did the
Real Theo Harvey: crypto, Logan, Paul, Logan. Paul. I know that one. Yeah, I know. They're both influencers. I know it's confusing and they both do boxing now.
Crazy. But I think that was a ploy, man. I think they single handedly said, Hey, boxing's down. I read it somewhere too. They talked about this. They said, what sport can we dominate? Cause no one's paying attention to it. And that's the paper. Personally purposely picked boxing cause they felt there was opportunity there.
The Influence of Betting Markets
Real Theo Harvey: But one thing I did want to bring up is you heard of prediction markets, Mr. Benja
Mr.Benja: prediction markets. It sounds like something I should know. Go ahead.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah. Polly market, the words, the world's largest prediction market. So basically you can bet on anything, elections, you can bet on trends.
So it's, you could actually put money toward these things. And I think there was a rumor that guy who bet betting markets basically. Yeah. Betting markets, they've been around for a minute, but these are actual markets. Obviously a lot of them are outside the States because they don't sanction that type of betting.
But we literally are living in a betting world now, man. And I think maybe that had a play also in how Trump, when we talked about spending on sports and how that's legal now in States, they've been doing betting overseas on soccer games for years. So it's becoming more and more world where it's like anything you do or say it could be betted on.
And that's interesting.
Mr.Benja: So I think we actually touched on this years ago when we were talking about draft Kings and sports betting,
becoming
More regular, but no, I'm going to this poly market site and this is funny. I just want to call out a couple of these things. Here are things you can bet on according to polymarket.
com. Will Biden resign before inauguration? That's already okay. Whatever. Who will Trump pardon in the first 100 days? And there's a bunch of guesses. Young thug is on the list.
Real Theo Harvey: Is P Diddy on the list,
Mr.Benja: Himself? January 6th, protesters hunter Biden,
Real Theo Harvey: Diddy, 3%. I should bet on that. ,
Mr.Benja: Who will be part of Trump's administration.
Elon Musk Mike Pompeo, David Sacks. It's,
Real Theo Harvey: But then see, but then this is where the Chicanery gets in here, man. 'cause a lot of these folks. Who are influencing this because their influencers are probably betting certain ways. Even your boy, Joe Rogan, if he, yes, he's my boy,
Mr.Benja: but I'll carry on.
We'll just let that comment slide
Real Theo Harvey: because it does seem like these guys are in the bag here. Like Elon Musk. Why now? Is it was like a calculated risk, right? Elon must've really, he was talking about Trump, but he wasn't really like hugging Trump and literally until the last couple of weeks, because maybe in his mind, the calculation was number one, he could get more what he wants with the Trump administration.
And then also you look at these betting markets, man. And so if you look at these markets, man, you realize that, this is what people are doing now, man. They're taking advantage of what's up. The fluences are saying, how they're generating things. So can you really trust what any influence you're saying right now?
Because it's influenced by a betting market. That's going to generate tons of cash for people if they bet, so it's an interesting time, man, to figure this out and how you want to generate revenue now, and obviously we live in a different world now, I think we're going to be in a place of unmitigated Capitalism, what's that scene from Star Wars?
What does he say that the Emperor you always say? unmitigated power That's what capitalism is right now man, you got the Republicans got in the house Senate The presidency and the court, I'm telling you, man, if you don't have a corporation or business, you are screwed because you need to have that now.
Because if you're a worker, man, you can forget it. There are going to be no protections. Labor unions have done. I hate to say it, but this is this is what unlimited power for capitalism is going to look like. So if you try to make my. Just focus on making money. That's why I tell everybody, man, this is a new world.
So anyway, that's just my two cents, man. I know it sounds like a rant, but it's not like the old man rant, but I'm telling you, man, this is going to be, you're talking about regulations to slow you down trying to get an M and a done, man, forget that, man. It's
Mr.Benja: bizarre. It's despicable me for gross the most in 2024.
Real Theo Harvey: Exactly.
Mr.Benja: Like just some random stuff, we'll Beyonce be the Billboard number one pop star of the century. It's what? Yeah, so there's just a whole bunch of stuff on there. And for those of you who haven't been around gambling societies, it can degrade quickly and watching it become normalized is.
is bizarre to me. Especially, being someone that's been invested in, Hey, let's put work, let's put thought, let's put ideas towards moving things steadily, orderly, and progressively in a certain direction that has to fight against somebody like, Hey, Mike, this is going to make me a hundred dollars this weekend.
If I put in 20, I'm like, yeah sure guy. All right. And every week it's a little side hustle. It's a little play. That's the part that.
Real Theo Harvey: But I see what's happening, man. Everything becomes a market, right? In theory, right? Mark markets are perfectly efficient, right? So the number of buyers and sellers will always reach equilibrium.
So there's really no way to take advantage of it. So if you can make something a market, then yeah, then that's the best way to do it.
Mr.Benja: Okay.
Real Theo Harvey: That's the
Mr.Benja: well, okay. Yes, and in theory, but the best way doesn't mean it's the most Pleasant way every step along of the way and in the process of getting to the best answer There's a lot of BS that's gonna happen.
Oh, yeah, you know a
Real Theo Harvey: lot of people would get hurt no, no doubt because When you have that unchecked balance, the market is almost God. If you will,
the
market doesn't care. It's unfeeling. It's unempathetic. And so if they vote against you in the market, then, you're gone. So it's yeah, I agree.
It's not the most humane way. That's, I think that's what you're trying to say.
Mr.Benja: Yeah the people were asking, was the Paul was the Paul Tyson fight rigged? And it's rigged, you can say it's rigged. It's not rigged. It had these two extremes.
And then you can have all these gradations in between where it's like the camps may have gotten together and actually discussed, Hey, what are you guys trying to get out of this fight? Okay. And there's this whole area of just murkiness and greatness and weirdness that just goes on. And. Yeah. If we don't want to see this again, it's not going to happen again.
Nah, I don't, I'm not liking this. It's what's going to happen in my eyes is that the people are going to get left behind and the corporate entities and, these group entities are going to end up. Winning and it's Hey, the best blank one. And it's yeah, but the people lost. So it doesn't matter.
Real Theo Harvey: People don't matter, man. Corporations are people. You didn't know that.
Mr.Benja: I forgot. What am I going to do now?
Real Theo Harvey: Corporations are people, man. And they matter more than us, more than individuals. Heck even people are corporations. You may be a brand, but you're a face. True. And your brand, Alex Maho Mahozy, Alex Ramozy is a brand.
He will sue you. He said it in so many words. If you try to wear a tank top and wear a beard with a hat on, try to brand your product and don't use his name, but use that image going after you, man.
Mr.Benja: So hey, it's funny about him and maybe we can make an image of this, the guy from cowboy bebop, how his hair goes up and out into a mushroom.
If you look at hormosi now, it's like the mushroom hair is flipped upside down And he's just got this upside down mushroom of hair coming out from underneath his chin and just yeah It's yeah, he has a little bit
Real Theo Harvey: He granted early, man. He knew. Kudos to him, man. I'm not mad at him, but that's how you win, man.
You become a, look at Trump. That's what the apprentice, that's what I got from the apprentice. He granted early, man, early and often the first building he was able to really build in New York city. Yeah. There's his name, Trump tower and everywhere you go, Trump stakes, Trump. University, Trump cabs, Trump this, Trump that.
Matter of fact, when he was broke, he was able to get out of being in debt so much by licensing his name and that's got him back on top a little bit.
Mr.Benja: Yeah.
Real Theo Harvey: So there you go.
Mr.Benja: Quick question.
The Future of Content Creation and Consumption
Mr.Benja: So if everybody's, a streamer like Kai Sinat yeah, I saw some people from FAMU doing the homecoming stream.
If all these people are, Streaming like who's watching our other interested parties. Am I watching because I want to see, my potato chip brand show up in the ad or it's weird, man. It's weird.
Real Theo Harvey: But I would, you know what? Be honest with you, man. Let's be honest now.
Everybody's like this, man. At me, if you want, there's always going to be producers, always going to be consumers.
Mr.Benja: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Real Theo Harvey: And so I don't think that all, they're always going to be, people's going to watch content more than people that do content because look at us we're so dedicated.
We've been doing this for damn near almost three years now, nobody's going to do that.
Mr.Benja: Let's refer. Okay. What is the idea of producing content and what is the idea of watching content? You have two separate concepts that aren't necessarily the classic way of thinking about them. Maybe producing is just how you.
Go about your work, maybe, like if everybody at a job has to stream what they're doing, maybe the CEO can check in and see, Hey, what's this guy streaming about? Oh, he works in department H or whatever. And if I'm a consumer, maybe I'm not thinking so much about how I'm consuming, but how I'm being a part of it, it's Hey, this is my stream that I'm watching.
I'm sending in advertising money. I'm sending in votes. I'm sending in this, I'm part of this whole machine from a consumer. Quote unquote point of view. I don't know. It's just strange and this merging of the two so It'll be interesting.
Real Theo Harvey: We'll see mr. Benja. Mr. Benjamin This is always good, man.
Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up
Real Theo Harvey: We always have a great time. Anything else going on this week for you?
Mr.Benja: Reading through the comments and shouting out all the haters. Amen. We love all the smoke. Don't take everything we say. Seriously. You can download your free grain of salt at get salted dot com or I don't even know what that is.
Don't go there.
Real Theo Harvey: I love the haters, man. Give us insight, man. Look, Please comment below. Look guys, we love it. Look we want to get better, but it also listened to the whole podcast, man. Maybe you'll find something that we say that you thought we said that may be different, just listen to the whole thing, and then, give us some comments and actually put timestamps in there.
And then definitely we'll give you a super shout out. So that's my thoughts on that. Anyway, Mr. Benja, this has been good. Everyone. Thank you for listening. Please like subscribe and comment at show versus business on X threads, YouTube, and Instagram. This is as a Spotify, iTunes, or wherever you listen to podcasts.
Go check out our website at show versus business. Mr. Benja, have a great week. Peace.