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Show Vs. Business
SvB 2024 Predictions we got WRONG and the ones we got RIGHT
2024 is almost ending and we are reflecting on how the year has been for us, throwback from all the tech talk, influencers, politics, gaming, streaming and more!
These are what went WRONG and what went RIGHT for us.
Join us on this special episode on what went right and what went wrong this 2024.
00:00 Intro
00:29 Reflecting on the Past Year
02:18 The Rise of Podcast Gurus
06:19 Kai Cenat and the Streaming Revolution
14:07 Influencers and Traditional Celebrities
16:17 AI and Tech Innovations
22:46 Political Landscape and Media Influence
25:57 The Future of Social Media and Real Connections
30:29 Navigating Social Media Bubbles
31:28 Streaming Wars: The Big Players
38:32 The Future of Theaters and Box Office
42:34 TV Highlights and Surprises
48:18 The State of Star Wars and DC
53:04 Sports and Music in 2024
56:18 Wrapping Up 2024 and Looking Ahead
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Introduction to Show Versus Business
Theo Harvey: This is show versus business where pop culture beats pop money. We host the real Theo Harvey and mr. Benja. This is a new show. This is a show about what's been happening over the last 11 and a half months. What are we talking about today?
Mr.Benja: I thought I was going to say the 11 and a half months line.
So you threw me off, but this is what happens when you get guys vibing for so long. What is this episode? 1 93 and 1 94, 1 94. Yeah, man. We're kicking it.
Reflecting on the Past Year
Mr.Benja: Listen, we've got a great show because We're not going to talk about anything that's been going on the past week like we usually do. We're going to talk about what we've been talking about for the past 50 weeks.
Almost the whole year. Maybe 48 weeks, I don't know. We'll find out some number of weeks we're going to do. But listen Yeah, man, this week, this year has been crazy this week. Most so you should say this week, this year has been a little crazy, man. For a lot of people and I don't know how crazy it's been, but how much information, how much thought we're putting into it, how much talking, how much speculation, it just seems like a lot's going on or is ready to pop off this year and we're going to go back and Through some of our shows, some of our content, we're gonna talk about AI and tech.
Obviously the presidential election came up big changes in social media or the lack thereof and how it's switching over streaming and big media is now becoming part of our lives and integrating us into it with. Everybody taking pictures, everybody doing the, the short form videos and contributing to this new culture, we've got a little game industry speculation that's changed a lot in 2024.
I think the, this might go down as one of those years. People look back to and said, yeah, 2024 when that's when things started changing. I don't know. Is that kind of a read you get or what?
Theo Harvey: Yeah,
Mr.Benja: absolutely,
Theo Harvey: man. 2024 was big movements on a lot of different fronts from technology to politics to even movies, man.
People who once dominant no longer dominant people we thought were DOA or not are now resurgent. And new technologies are in a woven in all of this. And so I'm super excited to get into this podcast, Mr. Benches. So where do we want to start?
The Rise of Podcast Gurus
Mr.Benja: You know what? Let's start with the gurus because I just heard Cat Williams and this is the first time I've heard of anyone doing this, announcing a podcast return like almost a month in advance.
Cat Williams announced that he was returning to the Shannon Sharp podcast. He's going to be on there talking again. So he mentioned in that podcast, in the original podcast that happened this year, in January, he started dropping bombs. Pointing fingers, naming names, releasing the secret files, the top secret files, the confidential notes.
He started putting people on blast. He just came out and started dropping bombs on people. And now, that Shannon Sharp podcast is a classic. So he announces, Hey, the stuff I held back on and didn't touch on completely. He's going in. And he's announced it. So now we've got a podcast that people are waiting a couple of months to see in here.
That's fascinating. Right off the bat with the new podcast influencer game. That's amazing to me.
Theo Harvey: Yeah, man, I just as you mentioned, now I was looking at the original one that premiered. If you don't remember way back in January 3rd, 2024, it has 84 million views. So yes, if everybody and everybody saw that one and it was a, and it was a damn near a, what a three hour podcast.
And so for him, that's a flex, right? I was like, Hey, I'm. The Negro dominance.
And tell people what I'm predicting for 2025. I love it, man. I love it, man. Cause what he mentioned in that podcast was very Precedent. It was like saying, Hey, the P Diddy of this all, and this is the troops that are coming out, which is very fascinating. He was entertaining to watch.
And and he predicted the, in the what's happening with podcasts influencers and how that's changing things. And we all see that in the politics. Man, so many different levels that this was very, this probably has to be the story of the year. I don't, Anybody that says this is not the story of the years is lying.
Cause it has to be on so many different levels. In my opinion,
Mr.Benja: it touches, it's weird because yeah, you're right. It touches on so many things. We're talking about a comedian on a sports, the guy who came from sports host, Shannon Sharp has this comedian on and they talk for three in this weird Hollywood media kind of topic.
And everybody just starts eating it up. No filter, no, no, like this is brought to you by Tostitos, or anything like that. Yeah. So it's very weird how the year started off like that. And it just blew up and it goes to show you how, two people, a camera and a mic can really blow something up and.
Take something to new places and people, the big media, which we'll talk about a little later is still trying to catch up and figure out what's going on. And this is just one aspect of it. These are, I'll call them podcast gurus, so you might be right that it might just be.
emblematic of, Hey, this is the new thing.
Theo Harvey: It's that, remember Venn diagrams, right? It's four different Venn diagrams. You're right. I forgot. There's sports aspects of it was in the sharp ex football player who's not a podcast, extraordinary guy came out of nowhere, breaking news.
You got a comedian. So you're in a comedy world. You got, Predictions you got using podcast to drive influence. You got something that was a long form kind of podcast. It wasn't short, it was long. So yeah, man, it's. Yeah, we had to begin the story with your review with that. Absolutely. So anyone that does it, they're lying to you guys.
That was probably the most influential moment of the year, in my opinion. So what else, what do we got next, man? The gurus, man.
Mr.Benja: Okay.
Kai Cenat and the Streaming Revolution
Mr.Benja: I'll jump from him and go to a new type of, not new, but they've taken it a level higher with Kai Sinat. And he's basically a Twitch streamer. So streamer now and guru, we're fudging the terms here, but people who are getting online and really driving society, Kai Sinat, Twitch streamer he's getting hundreds of thousands of people viewing his streams every month.
Getting paid off of that. People are going to him. Like he's a, an old school talk show host where they're like, Hey, I just want to be on the stream. I just need to show up and I'll be in your office and everything. Not your office, his basement, playing games, talking. It's very conversational yet highly produced.
So it's this weird dichotomy of, Hey, let's be friendly. You don't have. 32 cameras around your house and you don't have a team of people with computers and servers and, camera switches. You simply can't do that. Nevertheless, it feels like you're hanging out with one of your friends.
So this weird type of connection with the audience that we've never seen on this level before. It's it's wild. So how many more people can we get like Kais and not? So he's the first, right? The first of this level and Mr. Beast, That's a show that these are shows that he does but Kai Snott's more of a friend and influencer.
And I see more people going in that direction. So can you do that for politics? Can you do that for, business books and business? Yeah. Can you have some guys sitting around, a wall street he lives, A couple of blocks down from wall street in his apartment or whatever.
And he's like having people come over Hey, we got this banker from chase. He's talking to us. Yeah, man, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's just like friends talking and showing up. And how many different ways can you flip the Kaisa not formula? I think we'll just call it that the Kaisa not formula now, because it's too big to ignore.
Theo Harvey: That's a good point. We talked about Mr. Beast this year about his business dealings. He tried to create a show on Amazon to emulate the success he has on his shows on YouTube with mixed results. Obviously he's been a little bit controversial. Yeah. Yeah. Don't know what's going to happen there.
He tried to get into the business world, with his feastables and his licensing deals with Taco Bell. And what's the other one? Not Taco Bell. What was it?
Mr.Benja: No, I was about to, I actually almost messed up. I was about to say the prime drink, but that's the lunchly thing that he collaborated with.
Theo Harvey: Yeah, he did some licensing things with man, Zaxby's. I don't know if you saw that. There's some stuff with them. Yeah. Like I said, he's. Just trying to expand the brand, but to your point, guys, to not is really in that realm of like you said, it looks, it's heavily produced, but it does look Hey, I'm just doing this in my attic in my house.
And so I'm, yeah, I'm your friend. I'm your buddy. Just like Jordan Hollett, he's the Instagram kind of food reviewer. He gives you all the recipes for all these famous and that's funny. He blew up because of that. And then now he's got. Met the man showing up. He's got Kevin Hart showing up, right?
Doesn't, cracking jokes. And then of course, Keith Lee, one of the big time food influencers, right? He'll show up at your restaurant and you get like a thousand people around the block, right? Trying to get into your restaurant. My wife told me about, we're eating sushi, right? And I'm trying to enjoy sushi.
Oh, this is good. I'm mid bite. In between my spicy tuna, my wife says, Oh yeah, do you see that latest Keith Lee video? I'm like, no. So yeah, he was at a sushi spot and he saw a worm wiggling around in his sushi. I said, what? And yes. He's got that much influence. I think that restaurant shut down because of that.
And yes, these influencers, and we're not going to talk about what happened during the presidential election. Maybe we'll talk about a little bit, but yeah, the Theo bonds, the Joe Rogan's Theo bond, these bro. Podcasters. And then he went on Patrick was it David Pat?
I always say his name wrong. Patrick, be David. Thank you. Patrick bet. David's podcast, right big business influencer. If I wanna remember his
Mr.Benja: name, think about him as the peanut butter dude.
Theo Harvey: P B D. I love it. You're right. P B D. Trump went on a grant Cardone's podcast, right? It's the next conference.
So yeah, you go. So those are the business gurus. And then the big business grew that blew up really even more so than you did in previous years. Her mosey, right? He's about 2 million followers at this
Mr.Benja: point. Oh, my God, that is I'm sitting here thinking about it. Now. We talked about it informally, but I'm sitting here thinking about it.
A political Kais not would be so easy to do. They're used to fronting and frankly lying, and presenting a show for people. Instead of Mhm. Instead of Kamala Harris coming out of a record store like, Oh, you surprised me. Look at what new, look at what new vinyl I bought. Oh, Kamala. Oh my goodness.
Oh my. We love you. But that was funny. I'm sorry. So think about, just hanging out with a politician and being like, Hey, we got, we brought over some burgers from this guy's place and, Oh yeah. Eat a, that's what they always talk about. Somebody I can sit down and have a beer with.
Go on a, think about somebody coming on a Kai Sinat type of show and just hanging out, just talking and, it almost seems kind of Mr. Rogers esque now, where it's hi neighbor, get a Mr. Rogers and make it, make a streaming Twitch show out of that guy. It's
Theo Harvey: blowing my mind. Mr.
Benji. Man. It's like the YouTube and just streaming and, having a twitch following. That's all about no and trust. And so we talked about the more time people spend with you, the more they like you, the more they trust you. And I absolutely believe we'll have Influencer president in the next five to 10, by next 10 years, just China, Trump was the first reality star president, right?
TV star president. So why wouldn't we have a streamer or a YouTuber become president?
Mr.Benja: And so for people who are just saying, yeah, they've already done this. It's not the same until you've really gotten into it. Do you know the game werewolf where you sit around and everybody tries to figure out who's the werewolf and I'm not the
Theo Harvey: werewolf.
I'm not the werewolf,
Mr.Benja: similar thing to or mafia. You try to figure out who's a civilian, who's a mafia agent, whatever. So Kai's not had this At least he does it in blocks. Of course of time, he had this eight hour stream where all he did was sat around and played mafia with his friends.
So it's like somebody comes in the room. It's Oh, he's here. He's here. Okay. Let's start up a new game and start up a new game. And then he turns around. Hey, Chad, hey, Chad, should we put him on this team or this team? And the chat starts, chiming in and everything. Can you imagine six hours of a politician just walking around, they're talking and playing games and doing things.
And it's just really bizarre until you've sat down for one of these Twitch streams, interacted, sent in your comments and you're arguing with people in the chat, it's. It's just bizarre. So we'll do a prediction show, maybe separately, a complete prediction show. But I wrote
Theo Harvey: down, I got a prediction too, man.
And you're right. I think that the streamers, and I'm learning this from you, cause I'm not on Twitch as much as you, but I definitely see there. validity and creating community with live events. And so we're going to see more of that probably for 2025, but yes, anyway, that's a preview.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. And Emily, CC, the girl who's been streaming for three years straight is going to be part of that preview show.
Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah.
Influencers and Traditional Celebrities
Theo Harvey: This is, we talked about gurus and internet influencers, but I do not want to leave this section without saying that I think this is the demise in.
Traditional celebrity, right? And the forefront of that prediction or that, year in review was P Diddy, right? This high level celebrity that you and I grew up on, right? Traditional celebrity, right? Went through the rocks, through business mogul was a. Have reality shows did this come to find out he was out here while and out doing extrafficking trafficking with younger minors and stuff.
Allegedly. And so he's in jail now for trial. But, the rumor is that there have been a lot of other celebrities mixed in with that. So the degradation of traditional celebrity, I think is going down. Because of things like Pete Diddy. And, he's of a piece, right?
When we look at what's that guy that passed away? Shoot. He had an island. Dang, I'm drawing a blank right now. Epstein. Is it's like rumors and smoke and it's now they're starting to become real. And it's do we trust these guys who have all this money and this influence, are they on the up and up?
I might as well go to a guy who's going to be on a Twitch stream for eight hours. I know he ain't doing no extra for the game right there, a game of mafia. So I got to trust that. Yeah, I think, we're seeing parallel. The rise of these influencers and the degradation of traditional celebrity them, where the realness is not there anymore with celebrities.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, mark, mark the calendar. Cause it, it started happening and switching over this year where it started to even with Kanye West no marketing, just out there being himself and his own weird little way of doing things. It's there's seven, there's seven Instagram accounts that decide to report on him and he does no marketing himself, really.
He's just
Theo Harvey: Yeah, that Super Bowl commercial was hilarious. It was on par. Have you ever seen that meme of the young black girl talking about, I got some lip gloss to sell you? That was it. It's popping. I don't know what to tell y'all. Go check it out.
Mr.Benja: Oh, man.
AI and Tech Innovations
Mr.Benja: All right, we jumping into AI and Tech.
Yeah. So this year we had the biggest company overturned used to be Apple. And as far as stock price, at least used to be Apple. Now it's a NVIDIA all on the back of AI chips. And so if you thought they were just playing around they're not playing around company. The only makes chips is getting heavily funded by everybody and their mama.
Because everybody and their mama wants AI. And this is the year that AI did its thing, at least stood on stage and decided that it was going to be a factor.
Theo Harvey: Yeah man, NVIDIA, who wouldn't knew chips became so prevalent? I just remember NVIDIA because obviously they're a it was a game gaming type of chip, right?
Manufacture
Laugh: the tools
Theo Harvey: that, so that was one of the first times I heard about them, but then I think they pivoted first. It was in the Bitcoin area, right? Where they were let people leveraging like Nvidia chips to create these farms to do a lot of Bitcoin mining. And so that, so it was just like, Huh.
Then he found another scandal. He's could they be used for AI? And so it's amazing the pivot that can happen at that level, because as we all know, chips are, towards the expensive to make, but yeah, man they've been the rising star right in this whole market right now.
So it's going to be interesting to see, rumors are obviously they're going to be tariffs. They're going to be rising up. That Trump is going to put out there. So we'll be interested to see how that's going to affect the markets. Cause now, obviously, are they going to, are the other countries going to.
Put tariffs on chips coming in, being exported out, to them to be used for their AI tools. Are you going to just try to put more money into their own manufacturing? So it's going to be interesting to see how this affects the business model for the future. But, I get it, man.
We have to stay competitive in this space because if. Other countries get the AI tools, not saying that we're all saintly, it's going to be a wild West when countries are not putting any safety measures around AI, it's going to be crazy. But anyway, NVIDIA, yes. And I, you know what I did not get any stock of NVIDIA.
So that's probably why I'm bitter. I don't talk about NVIDIA too much on this pod, but yes, I'm bitter because I didn't get their stock when I should have. Yeah.
Mr.Benja: And I don't know if you look too much into the I don't, I forgot what they call them parallel industries or like when one industry blows up and there's a certain thing that goes along with it.
Nuclear power has been really a really big discussion lately because people are looking for ways to get energy. That can power all these chips. And they're like, you know what? Even if it's not AI, it's AI, it's graphics. It's the VR headsets. It's all these things we're going to need chips for. And we're apparently betting the future on that.
And NVIDIA is just one of these companies. But where's the energy coming from to produce all these AI models, do all this 3D rendering, do all this graphics processing, et cetera, et cetera. And there's been a lot of discussion about nuclear power. And the thing with nuclear power is only certain countries and not very many people have access to developing nuclear power.
You've got the U S Russia, China Iran, Pakistan, India are coming along, but they're not on the same level. And it's interesting that. They made this kind of, small group of people who know how to use nuclear power. And the reason everybody doesn't use it is because one, it's very difficult, but it also brings along the threat of nuclear danger that naturally comes along with it.
So this is going to be, this is the year that everybody made the decision that, yeah, probably going to go in this direction and try to be safe.
Theo Harvey: Good point. Yeah, I saw some articles around that like nuclear fission fusion is a reality now, right? They can start the process to start creating nuclear fusion.
Traditionally was nuclear fission where you you know, combining the molecules together, but excuse me, you're splitting apart the molecules with fission, but that they think the The nuclear waste for that was so toxic, right? That people got away from it. But nuclear fusion, from my understanding, it produces hydrogen, which is, fine.
It's not gonna hurt the environment. But to your point, could you change chain reactions and, start some mess. But yeah, the hope for energy is real, man. We talk about this. Was remember when Bitcoin was hot, right? And it's getting hot again. They were talking about, Hey, are we going to create, these data centers, that's going to use all this energy. Some of these Bitcoin farms were using enough energy to light up a small country. So now we're talking about AI now, and learning modules aren't cheap. So yes, now you got trainees modules and it takes a lot of human power to do that, but it takes a lot of energy.
And so we're seeing the this energy thing is becoming more and more important where this Bitcoin or was AI. And so I could see what nuclear fusion, that's a good point. And yeah, these are orthogonal kind of, or not orthogonal but complimentary goods. You're right. If you look at economics, complimenting goods and supplemental goods, those are the ones, when you see the demand curve, basically people want more of the same, the product, the same demand curve follows the supplementary and the complimentary goods. So nuclear energy could be another one. That's a good point. I'm looking at that, Mr. Bench. I was going to do some research is okay, I missed out on Nvidia.
So what other things can I buy that's going to go up? That's not as expensive. Yes. Thank you for that.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. If you want to know how serious it is, I'm looking at the MIT technology review, just to, I wanted to check some facts and this one slipped by me. Microsoft has made a deal a little earlier this year to reopen Three Mile Island to help power some of their data centers.
Three Mile Island was the scene of the worst commercial accident in nuclear history, or in U. S. nuclear history.
Theo Harvey: Don't underestimate capitalism, man. And then now that we have a new administration, a mitigated capitalism, man. So if you want to open Three mile Island up and get some nuclear waste on ain't nobody gonna stop you Get your money man.
Get your money.
Mr.Benja: That guy has three eyes. He'll be okay
Theo Harvey: Speaking of Politics mr. Benjamin.
Political Landscape and Media Influence
Theo Harvey: Yeah, we don't cover politics on this spot But I guess had to this year was
Mr.Benja: you said that five episodes straight. I know
Theo Harvey: We had to though, man, we did a pod about two world brothers and, that one, some folks gave us some good comments on that one.
Thank you guys for the love and the hate. We'll take it all. But yeah, man Trump with my prediction last year was that Trump was done and we'll go into some of the predictions we make to guys and where we were. Or wrong. But I was absolutely wrong with this, with Trump being done. I thought someone else will rise and that the president election is a show and it needs a star.
But guess what? Trump has remained the star and he was the only one. When you look at the data since 2016, he expanded the electorate, right? His electorate. So basically he went from Majority white men to now he made major gains in the last election with Latino men with young men who went for Trump this year, right?
And some black men, right? Wow, I don't know what to say. So I do feel like Trump America is here now. And how's this going to fundamentally change entertainment business? Which we talk about all the time. I think it's going to be fundamentally to your point. 2024 was definitely a pivotal year and how he won, too.
We talked about the podcast emergence of these influencers and podcasters swaying people. He really did those podcasts in the last month. And I think that has some influence to toward people swaying his way. Yeah, man, it's a new world we live in. So we just have to realize that, hey how do you.
Especially in America, here in America, for those that don't live here, we have to evaluate what does that mean for the future when it comes to how things are going to happen. But yeah, man, a lot of lessons to be taken from this from a marketing standpoint, whether it's business, from a business standpoint and in the show, I think Trump encapsulates it both.
And that's why we talk about him so much on this pod.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. You know what? I just found out that he. Donald Trump was, he's only the second U. S. president to have two non consecutive terms. I thought there were more than that, but apparently it was only, what's his name? Grover Cleveland. Yeah. Grover Cleveland back in, 1889.
Theo Harvey: Exactly. But that shows you the resilience that he had over 10 years of all on the political scene. Any one thing could have took them out for the count. And he thought, January 6th would take them out. But those are no huge, Yeah. Yeah. That was happened here in the United States and you thought that was the one that's going to take him out.
But
Mr.Benja: man, people thought grabbing by the meow was going to take him out.
Theo Harvey: Nope. Nope. I just. And and that's when you realize that, you know what? Like I was telling people, I've been telling people last what? Two weeks. When you see a tide come, when you see the wave coming, you get to get taken under by the tide, you can ride the tide like a surfboard.
I'm going to ride this stuff for
Mr.Benja: Royal pants up, dog
Theo Harvey: surf board. I'm going to ride that surfboard, man.
Mr.Benja: Follow us. Yeah.
The Future of Social Media and Real Connections
Mr.Benja: And in general we're talking about. Media, the election and all this, a lot of this is happening in a new communication landscape that we've really started to, it's been happening obviously for the past decade with social media, but now I think we're entering a phase where the people are more, I don't want to say active, but they're bigger participants.
They're stronger participants in the whole conversation. Yeah. We've got a tick tock vacation where everybody's showing their short little videos. And Gary Vee said a long time ago, it was like, Hey, everybody's going to be their own little media company where you're going to have to put together your own little brand, your own persona, your own imagery.
And even Warhol said that, a while back in his own way, but. This whole commodification of the people and we become the media and it's part of us and we're part of it. I don't know what to call it exactly. I don't know if we have a name up for it, but It's a lot of stuff happening in 2024 was the year I was like, yeah, we've crossed a certain threshold and I don't know what it is, but maybe that makes sense or maybe it doesn't.
Theo Harvey: No, it makes sense. When you think about what's happening. Yeah, where everybody is trying to create their own kind of influence and marker, right? That's just, I have a theory on this. I'll put it on the, my prediction list, but it's just I think the social media has become more real than, this physical world.
Sometimes, man, we're seeing stories about teens being, harmed. Monthly emotionally by what people say online or even what chatbots are telling them. And so it's crazy how this is changing evolving over time. One of the things I saw was interesting. I still think, one of my predictions with that people realize the need for the real world.
So they can grow social media. I think we're still seeing that people creating like kind of it. Live events, to come visit us in, like a Alex Hermosi or 10 X conference from Grant Cardone, or even my guy Myron Golden, he has some events, live events.
Cause I think, that realness, I think it gets back to that realness. You talked about that, right? Like how do you create a real emotional connection with people?
Mr.Benja: But, it's interesting. I think the realness is In service to the fakeness, like I'm only
Theo Harvey: James. You got to put that on the, you got to put that's a good one.
Mr.Benja: I'm only being real so I can make my. Digital, my virtual presence, more of a thing, like, why would I go have a conference so I can get more followers and be even bigger in this virtual space? The virtual space, I think, is now the forefront. It's that's what you go for, and in order to bolster it, you have some real events.
But having real events because you want to be real? Nah that's dead.
Theo Harvey: That's a fair point. I think that there's some validity to that because then the real, the people who showed up at your real event, they're your mouthpiece, right? And oh yeah, I was there. It's live. He's legit. Boom. Nah, you just blew up even more on social.
I see some validity in that. But dude, people want a real connection, right? And so if we can do a live event, And you can and I think this is what's happening too, man. These niches are niches, right? Social media is creating these ponds of just I, I listen to five podcasts, right?
And so basically outside, my wife tried to get me to listen to other podcasts. They would say the same stuff we talk about. They would say stuff that I've heard before, but I just couldn't take it from them. You know what I'm saying? It's because they weren't in my filter. And I think that's what's happening now.
It's we're all saying the same things, but it's just we all got our own little filters of who will accept
Mr.Benja: this information. It's funny. It's like, Yeah, no, you have the bubbles or circles, it's like I listened to, let's say, some tech podcasts and the tech podcast mentions AI and as guests on that.
So I listened to that guy and I'm like, okay. And all of a sudden he shows up on Lex Friedman. I'm like, okay, who's this Lex Friedman guy. And if they're outside of the circle of connected people, it's just who are you? I'm a bit. Who's podcast have you appeared on? Yes.
Theo Harvey: So I think our prediction is we're going to be more podcast guys for next year, but more on that.
But yeah, it's just, you just don't have the, I think also we just don't have the capacity to handle too many thoughts in our head at the same time. You
Mr.Benja: mean we like us or everybody?
Theo Harvey: Everybody, human beings just, we get overwhelmed. I've been, even running business, I get overwhelmed.
Navigating Social Media Bubbles
Theo Harvey: I'm like, man, I, cause you got so many other things that you compartmentalize, right? You got your family, you got your friends, you got yourself, things that you want, then you got your business and then now you get ideas and thoughts. He's like certain things, it may be some bias involved in that, right?
And social media is. Like you said this concentric circle. And that's one of the reasons why, you know, talking about the election again, that people were in bubbles. They didn't realize that there were more people going for Trump because they couldn't perceive it. It was like, it wasn't even a reality.
And because we're all stuck in our own kind of realities now with the social media bubbles. But I say all to say is I think. I thought there was a way to penetrate that, but I don't think there's no way to penetrate that anymore. I think we're just all going to get deeper and deeper involved in our bubbles.
And people, like you said, are going to create these real experiences to create more fakeness on the YouTube, social medias, right? Because that's just where, Oh we won't get into that. But anyway man, speaking of, yeah.
Streaming Wars: The Big Players
Theo Harvey: Mr. Beast and the wars that he's putting out there and trying to make something happen, man, we really wouldn't all in when we started this pod talking about the streaming wars, we don't really go into as much because I think we talked about that Netflix one, but this year, man, was there anything that, that kind of blew your mind that across all these streamers, what they were doing and what was happening
Mr.Benja: between, let's see I looked on Amazon.
I wanted to see how many channels there were to buy. How many plus channels or whatever. You have the majors obviously Apple, TV, Paramount, Peacock. You're like, okay, sure. I can get those channels. But man, there are a hundred plus channels out there. All these streaming things to buy. Movie, movie, M U B I, stars.
But it's all about the big media wars, man. Disney, Amazon, Netflix, Discovery slash WB. And I think even Discovery slash WV may fall off or, become definitely mid tier outside of the big three. I'm calling the big three, Netflix, Disney, and Amazon. I don't know. You, did you have others to put in there?
But
Theo Harvey: no, I think you, you hit the nail on the head. Of the two of us, I think we started maybe on this pod, talking. A little bit more about some of the TV shows and movies. We got away a little from that, but I still watch them guys. I'll still put, I'll put a plug in there every now and then go.
So check out the early part where I go into my little reviews on certain TV shows and movies, but I think you're right. Mr. Benjamin, Netflix, far. And above they're just dominating. This is maybe future, but they're going to announce an NFL game with Beyonce at halftime, the mind you, this is a Christmas game, regular season game, nothing special about this, not even a playoff game, but they got the biggest pop star to show up at halftime for a regular season, NFL game blows your mind for Christmas.
So that's Netflix, what they're doing. So they're definitely dominated. Disney is resurgent. Obviously they had, Movie wise, they were, they had two of the biggest movies of the year inside out. Plus Deadpool, Wolverine, they're both showing up on Disney plus now. And so that's helping their, the traffic.
They had some great TV shows for MCU and the Amazon to your point. Amazon is probably leading the pack because they are, they really are getting into this whole licensing thing where they excuse me, they had their own original stuff with the boys and these what they call like these kind of book.
Versions of TV shows, right? All these books like Jack Reacher, Alex Cross. It just came across. Yeah. What's the other one? There's another book that they did. Oh Jack reach. No, Jack Ryan. So these are all books. Which Amazon was a bookseller created into TV shows and they're just dominating that whole space and this offtake on superheroes.
But the other thing they have, right. And then my parents got in this rap where they have channels to your point that you could subscribe directly through the Amazon interface to Netflix shows, HBO shows, all this other stuff. My mom said, Oh yeah, it was on Amazon. I just watched this show like, mom, you're paying for it.
No, I'm not. No, I'm not. I'm just watching this show. It's over the Amazon. Absolute paying for it. Went to her prime account and sure enough, she's paying 9. 99 a month for stars. She didn't even know it. So
Mr.Benja: it's actually hard to tell when it gets integrated in. You're just like, Ooh, I'm having fun. Yes.
Theo Harvey: And I can break down each one of these, who was resurgent or not, obviously with.
M and a mergers and acquisition become more and more forefront. We're probably gonna see a lot of consolidation. Yeah. HBO we saw the shenanigans that David Zasloff was doing basically licensing Batman, the Cape crusader, which you and I both enjoyed over to Amazon, right? Just for pennies, for some dollars on the, on where it should be on their own platform, but no, we saw.
Then create the penguin, which was pretty well received the domination. They're taking all this IP and creating prequel series is like a house. Hot D got hot D and the house of the dragon. And were you a big fan of the dune franchise or movie series?
Mr.Benja: I liked it, but it's not I definitely didn't you know go crazy over it.
Theo Harvey: Yeah, it's not me This is more sophisticated star wars and I can see that but yeah, because they get into religion and other stuff, but It's acquired taste. But yeah, they're trying to do prequels of that So yeah, hbo max, and discovery to try and do some interesting things Some of the interesting ones that I thought I want to put on here paramount plus man man, they just got bought out.
Sherry Redstone sold the company to Ellison, you know who Ellison is, right? He's a big Oracle CEO worth billions of dollars. His son bought Paramount. So now they're going to take Paramount. It's a studio and a streamer, and it owns CBS and it owns BET. Yeah. So they have a lot of. Pool, but their streaming series show is series is, they're blowing up.
They got Taylor Sheridan. We don't talk about his TV shows as much Yellowstone, but I've been watching lioness, which is great. He has a new one called land man, which is really good. So yeah, he's, they're doing dominant and then they have live football, which we all know that dominates TV. So that was been what's happening there.
And in Peacock, they're struggling along Peacock. Is owned by NBC universal. So they have all the NBC brands, which is okay. If they have a good movie, like Oppenheimer, but they also have, cause they have NBC, a regular TV show. They're going, they have a football and they have a reality, a lot of reality.
If you like Bravo stuff, that's my wife likes like the real housewives. That's been resurgent. And then Apple. People don't know what Apple is doing anymore. They just spend the money to spend money. So make a long story short. The streamers are still there, but I think it's become more harder and harder to find something that you can watch.
On a channel and we're seeing Netflix though, starting to get back to licensing contracts. We're seeing more of the shows coming to Netflix, right? We're seeing like shows from Showtime, which was licensed from stars or excuse me for Paramount. So we're seeing that Netflix becoming that single source.
For all TV watching right now.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. And they're definitely dug their feet in to do the live sports and live events. We saw that with the Trump, Trump and Paul fight Trump Tyson, Paul fight, I'm sorry,
Theo Harvey: that'd been awesome. I would love to see that.
Mr.Benja: Sorry. The, all the fake competition.
Got in there and in my head and yeah, so yeah, man and stuff like rigged competitions, that kind of stuff, that, that's definitely a mark of tuning 24 where it's more obvious that everything's a show. It's just yeah, this is a show. I'm just putting a show. You don't know me. I'm doing a show. So I don't know.
The Future of Theaters and Box Office
Mr.Benja: You want to move on to theaters? We talked about big media enough that kind of leads into theaters and box office.
Theo Harvey: Yeah. The the movies you saw, Mr. Benjo let's, this is interesting. Why did you go see them? And what, what made you be compelled to see them?
Cause I can guarantee you probably saw about five movies this year.
Mr.Benja: The two of us, is that correct? Oh, it's, oh, it's definitely handful Deadpool and Wolverine, and I honestly can't remember anything else.
Theo Harvey: That's our point. Theaters and movies, man. Are they dying, man? It's just look I always cherish and I can name all the different, I think I saw maybe about 20 movies in theater because that's just who I am.
But yeah, man, I don't know if it's still there unless you can create a vent out of the movies you go see.
Mr.Benja: Yeah.
Theo Harvey: And a very few movies have that event style. You mentioned it. Deadpool for me was an event. If you have kids inside out too, right? Sequel to a highly anticipated movie was an event.
I saw that man. I'm trying to think, was there an event? Maybe there's an event coming. There's event now as we're recording this wicked. My family, I went to go see that earlier that's like a high musical anticipation probably gonna make 150, 000, 000 this weekend that we record this, but I can't think of any movie this year.
That was an event that people said. I gotta go see. Maybe if you were like horror terrified with three. Yeah, which was terrible, which is but I don't know, mr. Ben I'm stretching my head as a person that loves movie. What was it an event movie this year? On likes of Barberheimer, Barbie and Oppenheimer.
Mr.Benja: I don't know that they're hyping they're hyping gladiator too, but we'll see how that works out.
Theo Harvey: Oh yeah. I saw that. It's okay.
Mr.Benja: We'll talk about it later, but it's okay. So I'm looking at the numbers here for 2024 box office. Yeah, Inside Out 2, Deadpool, Wolverine, and then it's just a bunch of stuff.
Despicable Me, Godzilla and Kong, Dune Part 2, Kung Fu Panda 4, Venom, The Last Dance Beetlejuice. And I also didn't realize how sequel heavy this was until I'm reading the list here. Bad Boars Ride or Die, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, A Quiet Place, Day 1. Alien, Romulus, Joker, Oh
Theo Harvey: Joker's on that list?
Wow, that bombed. I jumped down to
Mr.Benja: 18 to pick that one up.
Theo Harvey: Okay. That bombed so bad. That was supposed to be the saviour. And that just, I think that was the one you went to go see, right? You want to go see? Okay. Yes, man. That thing was so bad. Yeah, man, it was not a good year in theaters and all the reason I brought that up to just highlight how you didn't feel compelled at all.
And someone who, is on a podcast with me every week didn't feel at all to watch any of this stuff. And so that gives you, I would say you're more, educated about this stuff the most, right? For you not to be compelled to go see this, to want to talk about it this is telling.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, I'm more watching the online stuff, watching the short form stuff. I'm actually sitting around I wonder when Queevy gonna pop, don't trip. It's still valid and I have designs for it written down in my pad here, but
Theo Harvey: Oh designs for it Oh, you got machinations. But there was some surprises transformers one was a pleasant surprise.
I saw my son that was not too long ago Dune part two was decent. I thought the visuals are good. I just never get to do that was earlier this year
Mr.Benja: Didn't do
Theo Harvey: No, it didn't do well at all. I thought it was good, but it didn't do well. It's already on streaming, so you can go watch it for 5.
99. But I'm trying to think, was anything recently biased, Wicked wasn't bad, if you like musicals. But I'm trying to think, was there anything that just really popped this year? Usually I'm the guy that's there's some smaller movies, the substance we talked about that, that was decent.
Yeah, man. It's far between, man. It's so sad this year. So sad. Oh my goodness. TV though. TV.
TV Highlights and Surprises
Theo Harvey: I'm a TV watcher and one of the things that we both watch this year, X men 97, man, that was surprisingly good. Who knew? A continuation of the old X Men TV show we grew up on, but then more sophisticated.
And I think we had Dr. Chris on the call and then we went into that deep dive. I think everyone we talked to loved it. Even though the showrunner is no longer with it, but hopefully it can keep that same high level. But yeah, watermarks for you when it came to television watching this
Mr.Benja: fallout?
Theo Harvey: Fallout. Thank you. That was a good one. Yeah, I think you came in later than me, but Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised. It's got that weird vibe to it, man. I liked it, man. It was
Mr.Benja: I didn't want to watch week to week. That was the thing. So I was like, screw that. I want to watch at my own pace.
Theo Harvey: Yeah. Did it give you that vibe? You played the game, right?
Mr.Benja: I played one of them. Not very much though.
Theo Harvey: Yeah. When I was watching it, it gave me that vibe of playing late night, watching, playing or playing a video game. It's just I'm on a mission. I'm, in this weird environment, I don't know what's going to happen next.
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that was a pleasant surprise for this year.
Mr.Benja: I think it was the first one of those games from a, a show from a game that still felt like a game and worked out in terms of being entertaining as a show. I think it really nailed that profit.
Theo Harvey: And yeah, to your point and kept that same kind of weirdness, right?
That like retro futuristic look from the fifties combined with just weirdness. Yeah, I liked it. Yeah. And the characters are pretty decent too. And yeah, cool. Yeah. Good point, man. We both talked about Batman, Cape crusader. We both enjoyed that series, I would say it was pretty decent.
I wouldn't say it was like, When it comes to the classic Batman animated series, I think it was just below that,
Mr.Benja: Yeah, definitely. I'd like to see it run a few more seasons to get into a groove because shows like that, where you're, it's a cereal, but then it's individual episodes that don't rely heavily on the previous episodes.
And I think something like that needs just a little time to roll into it and get people. Back in the vibe. Yeah.
Theo Harvey: Did you get a chance to watch any of the Penguin or the HBO shows Got Hot D Game of Thrones, Hot House of the Dragon. Did you watch any of those this year?
Mr.Benja: No, I think I'm mad at HBO.
Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm mad at it. I go to the website and I'm about to click, purchase or start my subscription. And I'm like, I don't like you. And I turned it off.
Theo Harvey: Nah, I would imagine that. Yeah. It's just it's sad. They're trying to hang on that Sunday night. It's just. It's tough, man. It's like after succession went away, it's okay. Obviously the last of us was good, but that doesn't come out to next year. But this year they had that, game with those house of dragon decent has some good moments in it with the dragon fighting, but man, it's just so slow, man, it's just they were gearing up, not spoiler alert, but spoiler, but they're gearing up for this big battle.
And they're like, yeah, we're going to battle. We're going to battle. We're going to battle. And then the last episode, there's just like a prequel or what they're going to the battles about to start and you're like, wait a minute, wait, but we watched six episodes. So that's a cliffhanger. And we didn't even get to, yeah, it's just a cliffhanger to the big battle that we wanted to see.
Mr.Benja: Okay. See, that's a spoiler that people need to know. If you're going in watching it, and they're walking in, you put your hand on their chest, like just to slow them down. It's Hey. Remember, yeah, the big thing is not going to happen until the next season and they're like, okay
Theo Harvey: And we you know, we haven't really talked about The show we both loved but I think one of our podcast started on I think dang Can you believe it's been on that long?
Cobra kai And we I we haven't talked about that man, and they just released another batch of episodes But I refuse to watch it because they reached the first batch You The second batch, they got another batch. They're going to release. I'm like, why are we doing this? It's like this routine of just delaying the inevitable, they're just like releasing these things and they want you to stay on the platform or come back to the movies just so that you can pay more for something they could have probably done in one movie or in eight episodes. And that's the thing I don't like anymore that I'm seeing more and more with TV
Mr.Benja: where it feels like a play instead of just, yeah.
That's the worst. And you get that in games where it's okay, they're trying to extend the length of this level. So they're just making me run back and forth and around because some artists may have put like a lot of time into it or something.
Theo Harvey: Yeah. Who cares, man? Just get to the story, man.
Tell the story and the whole stranger things, right? This, they finally released a trailer. These kids, they started at 11, 10. They're like 28 years old now. Just man, get this show. Let's get this show over with, man. Come on. Netflix. Jeez, man. It's just granted. They complained about lack of.
Content and all that stuff because of the what the pandemic and the strikes and all that stuff. But come on, man, this is getting ridiculous. So TV, man, it was mid this year. In my opinion, I'm scratching my head to find something that. Really entice me. I can count on one hand.
Now, if you didn't see you didn't watch Agatha all along, but they had a good episode there. I think I hinted at it where they did something pretty interesting in the show. And that was something that was I was, I wasn't a super fan of the show, but I like what they did with it and it made sense.
And so I definitely, recommend people check that out. And of course the acolyte man, poor acolyte, man. On one hand, I don't think he got a chance, but the second hand, I don't think it deserved a chance because they didn't do too well, man. It's just you knew going in, there was going to be this woke mob after you, man, and for you now, or anti woke mob, and for you not to do a more coherent story was disappointing because he had a shot. I thought I had a shot. We talked about that, right?
Mr.Benja: Yeah. Yeah.
The State of Star Wars and DC
Mr.Benja: But as you said, and as we said somewhere else, star war still sucks something, something happened and, I don't care what side you're arguing. It's just It went off the rail somewhere and hasn't been able to, hasn't been able to pick itself back up and even and or which we both loved it's it's it's too much almost, it's I know that's an awesome show, but we don't need all Star Wars to be like and or
Theo Harvey: no.
And we need yeah, it's, and I get what these, what's the other one? Did the show come out this year too? I can't recall. What was that last year?
Mr.Benja: Yeah. I thought it was this year.
Theo Harvey: Yeah. So Shoka, I think that was getting along the lines, but it was still a little too much. It was still immersed in that, which, you and Dr. Chris told me about rebels, which is a great. One I'd never really like Dave Filoni stuff, it was too much sometimes but rebels really was really good And so I'm glad they were trying to try to evolve it, but I still think they were missing a few pieces there So so yeah, Star Wars man.
I don't know man. I don't know how to I mean Is Mandalorian Goku going to the movie that's coming out next year? Is that going to change our viewpoint of Star Wars? I don't know, Mr. Benja,
Mr.Benja: I don't know. Yeah. Then that's a lot to put on Grogu's little shoulders.
Theo Harvey: We did talk about DC TV shows or movies at all, but I can't recall any DC TV show that I watched this year.
I think I went back to watch bat woman just to reminisce on bat black Batman week. That's what I always do. That's the holiday. It's a national holiday guys.
Mr.Benja: Again, I know we're not out of predictions yet, but would you want more from, the The Bat Pattison universe. The penguin, the Batman.
Theo Harvey: Actually, yeah, I would. That have you, when you see it, man, we'll talk about, but it left it open to to some interesting points and so I'll be curious to see what they do.
Mr.Benja: Yeah as I said, I'm going back and watching all the episodes of the animated series and, picking up some interesting stories.
I didn't know how much of a deep dive the animated series was doing until I started going back and watching. The animated series, because they'll have a character. There was a, like a quirky character in I think his name was radio or something like that, where he always had like this headset. He was just a, he was just a goon, right?
He was one of somebody's goons. And he had this radio headset where he was always picking up police radio and stuff. And I'm like, does this guy have a history? And yeah, he was in all these detective comics back in like the sixties and seventies. So I'm like, I love it. There's plenty of stuff to draw from.
I want to see more.
Theo Harvey: We saw Automata Pia. That's right. That's right. Which was, yeah, we saw that. Yeah, man. Yeah, definitely. I'm trying to think obviously we got rumors of the new Superman coming out next year. We got images of Superman put on his socks, which is fine.
Mr.Benja: We got just like you put my socks on one at a time.
Theo Harvey: That's something blowing up in the back and I'm smiling like a rock. What was it? Norman Rockwell, but from D. C. We, we heard that there's a what's it called? The lantern. They're gonna be a green lantern. I think tv show.
Yeah, the
Mr.Benja: lanterns.
Theo Harvey: Yeah, the lanterns. Middling inside about that. So we'll see what they do with that. There's a lot of stuff that combined there, which would be good. Yeah, man, but I'm just scratching my head, man. You know what? Have you watched? I think has that come out yet?
The the creature commandos. I don't know if that's been out yet, but I think that's coming out soon. That's the first James Gunn announcement. But yeah, man, the comic book scene has changed so drastically. I don't know. We'll see what James Gunn can do to keep our interest, man. When M. C. U.
basically had to bring back Robert Downey Jr. back as a villain, Dr. Doom, to get our interest again. And that was a big announcement this year. But other than that, all the M. C. U. properties are pretty much down. We're starting to see Previews for the thunderbolts and we're seeing previews for captain America.
Was it black captain America's winter soldiers, falcon? Yeah, we see that come out. But I don't see the hypness around it. Thunderbolts look actually pretty good though. I'm, I might be down for thunderbolts, but anyway, that's more prediction guys. We're just trying to. The reason why we're talking about him now, because that's the extent of what happened this year when it came to Marvel is I'm MCU.
I'm trying to think, yeah, they had Echo begin this year, which I didn't finish, but I wasn't too pleased with. I
Mr.Benja: actually liked it. And I think I liked it because Wilson Fisk is one of my favorite characters and he did not have the Hawaiian shirt action going on. I just thought that was a bit redeeming.
Theo Harvey: Yes. Kudos to him, man. Let me just round this out real quick.
Sports and Music in 2024
Theo Harvey: Sports Olympics. We talk about them real, we talked about Olympics extensively. We just thought the marketing angle and what happened this year for 2024, cause I don't think they got raw deal in 2021 during Tokyo. So I think this Olympics really pushed a lot by a lot of folks to the forefront and made it more interesting.
Yeah, that's what I thought from olympics and in sports gambling, is ascended. We're seeing draft kings, we're seeing all this stuff. Parlays, my brother sending me like images of what he's betting, I made 10, okay, because he bet it that, this quarterback would get two yards on the third down, right?
It's parlays, you don't know. Basically, you can bet on anything. You can bet if how long The national anthem is going to go for a song or for a TV show. For a game. And you can combine that with how many yards a running back could get. So you can make money. But is that going to keep the purity of sports?
And we talked about that with the Tyson and Paul fight. Yeah, it's becoming.
Mr.Benja: And that's, you know what we, we're not putting it here as a big topic, but the whole sports gambling media influencer, I'm a part of the product and the product is me conglomeration that we're seeing that's in it too, man.
A lot of these games now aren't so much games, but opportunities to stream their gambling platforms. So the game doesn't have to be as fun. You're just trying to gamble to see if you can get to the top of some leaderboard. So you can show it off on Twitch. It's all very weird, man.
Theo Harvey: Yeah, we're time for sports, man.
So we'll see how this evolve. And, we'll talk maybe in our future predictions or what some things and we're talking about more sports because business aspect and entertainment is key. And then finally, we'll talk about music. Man, Kendra versus Drake. Big news, man. That pretty much kept rat relevant, I think, in my opinion, when you had a year of resurgence of country music and pop music.
That was the only thing. Yes, you had, some new artists come up and pop up, but that was a big thing for rap, for our, for rap right now. But I don't think there was anything else that was even close. What are your thoughts?
Mr.Benja: No. Ice Cube showing up at the Dodgers game. Was fun for two minutes, but yeah, Kendrick, it was Kendrick's year and he held it down for hip hop.
Theo Harvey: Yeah. Got a new album out. Maybe we'll talk about it next time. But and he's going to be at the Superbowl. So that, that this really put him in the next excellent. And he's a true artist, right? People respect his artistry as well. Whereas Drake. is descended, right? He's been labeled as a 69 God and it just is not seeing the same light anymore.
So yeah, definitely. Yeah. 2024 did shift some things. And so you know, it's, it's interesting Drake's album cover. Hey, the one with the pregnant ladies. Was done done with influence from Damien Hurst, who's basically been called a fake artist. He's a very rich artist, but he's a fake artist.
Mr.Benja: So it's even on that level, they're both just, it's comedy. Fakeness
Theo Harvey: around. So 2024 year of fakeness is over guys. Definitely see you in 2025. Anything else, Mr. Benja?
Wrapping Up 2024 and Looking Ahead
Mr.Benja: Nah, man. We're going into the holidays. Hope everybody had a good 2024. Relax, reflect, chill. Get your chill vibes on. Feel good about yourselves.
And hey, man look forward to the next big thing. Be remarkable next year. Be remarkable. I love it. We're not even done with the year, but be remarkable.
Theo Harvey: Yeah, be kind to yourself, right? So give yourself some grace this year. We're all been through it. The year of anxiety is over. And so let's go into 2025, renewed and recharged.
That's my charge for everyone in myself as well. Always a great year with you, man. Can't say it wasn't. So thank you for another year in the pod as we hit the 200 mark. So so thank you for what you do everyone. Look, please like subscribe is. Comment at show versus business on X slash Twitter threads, YouTube, and Instagram.
Listen to us at Spotify, iTunes, or wherever you listen to podcasts. If you like what we're talking about, want to see more, see some of the content we put out there, go visit us at our website show versus business. Mr. Benja, hope you had a good 2024, man.
Mr.Benja: Hey, man, you have a peaceful 2024.