Show Vs. Business
Show Vs. Business
SvB E198 Predicting what will happen in 2025: Movies, AI, Social Media to the next level!
New Year's Close! Step into 2025 as Theo and Mr. Benja unravel the trends and predictions that's shaping pop culture, technology, and business.
From AI-powered tools integrating into daily life to sports streaming dominating global audiences, discover the future of entertainment and its challenges.
Dive into insights on superhero movies, gaming crossovers, OnlyFans monetization, and the evolving guru economy.
Stay ahead of the curve and Tune-in!
00:00 Introduction and New Season Kickoff
01:27 Holiday Reflections and Family Time
03:08 New Year Resolutions and Personal Growth
13:58 Superhero Movies in 2025
24:14 The Future of Movie Theaters
35:33 Upcoming TV Shows and Streaming Trends
37:07 Discussing 'Skeleton Crew' and Disney Plus Shows
37:45 The Appeal of Comfort Watching
44:28 The Rise of OnlyFans and Subscription Models
55:45 AI Integration and Future Predictions
01:07:32 The Future of Sports Streaming
01:14:36 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Introduction and New Season Kickoff
Theo Harvey: Hey everyone, this is show versus business where pop culture meets pop money with your host the real Theo Harvey and Mr. Benja Mr. Benja, what's going on with you, man? What's going on with me? What's going on with
Mr.Benja: you? What's going on with us them they the United States of America and the entire populace of the GD world Let me tell you And I don't know if people say GD anymore.
I just think that's funny. But anyway, welcome to 2025, man. This is a, it's a new season. We're kicking off. We've been doing this consistently for a bit. We're up to what episodes is this? 198 and man, I think we're going to have a good year of stuff to talk about. Not necessarily a good year, but a good year of stuff to talk about because things are wild and.
We talked about what happened in 2024 last episode. Now we're going to get into what we think is coming up and we got some pretty interesting insights. I was looking at your notes and I know you saw some of mine. So yeah, man, we're about to get into it. We're about to fire it up for 2025.
How are you feeling about it?
Theo Harvey: I'm excited, man. We're getting into this pod another year, man. 2025. We are in the future. I say that every year, but we are, man. It's crazy to think this is the year of our Lord 2025. But yeah, man.
Holiday Reflections and Family Time
Theo Harvey: Yeah, as we record this holiday week. That, that fun time around Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, my son's birthday, new year's eve, new year's.
This is a lot going on. I'm just immersed in family and some rest. So family is good. I have a big family, so I had about 22 people at my house Christmas, eat Christmas night for dinner. That was fun. So I had to set up the backyard, put up the,
Mr.Benja: oh, you ran the show.
Theo Harvey: Oh yeah.
We had. Tables and, food and all that good stuff and setting up outside so people can sit down and the kids can play on the games out there with their toys and stuff like that. I got my son a PlayStation five, but really got it for myself.
Mr.Benja: I was wondering
Theo Harvey: if you were going to do that.
Mr.Benja: You mentioned that before.
I didn't know if you were going to do it.
Theo Harvey: Yeah I still can't get into it all the way, cause I know me, once I start going through these it's over. So I think we got the Spider Man two game and we got NBA two K five. He's a big basketball player.
He whooped me on NBA two K five. So I gotta start practicing. It started there, the eight year old man. Yeah. He can't beat me already, man, but I'm so out of it. Games is not even funny, but I'm just amazed at how many games are hard, man. You get one of those places and files is downloadable games.
You just man, we had, if I had this when I was his age, I would never leave the house, man.
It's crazy. So anyway, so my daughter had, she likes, it's girly girls. A lot of, skin stuff, skin care, clothes, things like that. So she have fun. So yeah, man, it was a good Christmas, man. Still enjoying the downtime and, deep thinking time. I love the holidays for that.
New Year Resolutions and Personal Growth
Mr.Benja: Yeah, it it rolled into new year for me and that's the season where I can really sit back, reflect and think on things at some point, new year's became my favorite year because I can get brand new on people. And it's Yeah it's funny. People are like, why are you acting like that?
I'm like new year, new me. And they start tripping like, all right, you need to whatever it, but it's new year, so they let it go. But then I keep on doing it and it just becomes the new me. It's fabulous.
Theo Harvey: I love like Voltron, huh? Put on this new, change it into, new form, man. I love it.
Mr.Benja: Hey, it's funny. The thing I said about remarkable resolutions, I think I first mentioned that to you two years ago, I'm still going strong with that one, man. I'm like, I want to talk about and tell people my resolution so badly. I was out shopping for groceries, right? And saw this saw this person I knew this girl.
And I was like, Hey, what's up homegirl? I said, Hey, how you doing? We hugged, talked a little bit and everything. And she stopped and patted me on the shoulder. And she's yeah, you're looking a little slimmer. You looking good. And I was like, that's right. And that's right.
Remarkable. You remarked about it. So it worked.
Theo Harvey: I love it, man. I love it. Oh man. What's been going on with you, man? What, how was your holidays?
Mr.Benja: Oh man, I said, man, it was very chill. I roll Christmas straight into new years, the new gift to myself where I'm just like, what do I need to do to improve?
I was, I went back through a lot of my journals, we talked about Benjamin Hardy and Hormozy and all that. And I was like, you know what, boom, this really worked for me. Let me double down on this part of it. This didn't work for me so much. Let me study it up a little bit and figure out what I'm stumbling over.
Theo Harvey: Great minds think alike. I've been doing the same thing, man. I just like that worked. That didn't work. And so I just do more of this. Do less of this or Twitch it around, switch it around a little bit. Yeah, I'm the same way, man. I was going through my journals. I did Ben Hardy.
He did his little week. I did his weekly thing all the way up until October. And I slowed down a little bit, but I've been going back over that. And to your point, man, I was like, wow, you know what? That really worked or this worked. And it does give you perspective and it gives you that flight in your wings to say, okay, this is what I need to double down on for next year.
To your point.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. Cause when you have different people that you look up to and this person says this and this person says that, and then you have to resolve how you work it out for yourself. And it's okay I'm trying to be hardcore, but every time I'm hardcore like this, it pushes away certain people.
And at this stage of my life, I need these people and can't push them away. So I'm looking at Hormozy and I'm like, yeah, I can't push that hard because I'm just going to drive people away. And he openly talks about how he told his father, whatever guy. And I'm like, I can't do that right now.
So how do I bridge that? And And yeah, I found some interesting things to do and. I have another, I'm not, should I drop it on this one? Should I drop it? Hey
Theo Harvey: man, do you brother, do you exclusive?
Mr.Benja: So for the new year, I'll go ahead and give you a hint. I am, I'm still working it out, but basically somewhere between tiny habits and, by James clear and rapid development. Yeah. By Benjamin Hardy, he's had this whole idea of, just change everything, throw away 80 percent of your life.
It's old news and everything. That's the whole, blow up kind of thing, just destruct everything and start doing the new thing. James clear. He's more Hey, listen, just take it one step at a time. Do this and this. I found there are different classifications of change that I noticed different people.
Not only pushing, using successfully and I've charted out, oh, okay. There are times when you're just like, think about the statue of David, he's always talking about, you chip away and then there are basically three different phases. One where you chip something away and you're like chipping at it, you're chiseling, and then the second phase is where you do a, you take a big chunk and it's like, all right, I'm about to make this guy's nose a very particular way and you have to do a really big hammer because you got to cut off a big chunk of his face, that's a, that's when you're chopping at it.
You take these big chops and then you have the whole thing where it's like a big change where you need to, either You need to chunk the whole thing. You need to change your whole process. Like this marble isn't working or this really is working. I need to call the Pope and tell him to have an unveiling.
I need to invite him down here to see this, so you either have these little things where you're chiseling or, you chop away and that's your mid level change, and then you. You chunk what you were doing and do a big change. And I noticed that nobody ever really talks about all three as different phases.
They're like, just do the big change, do the rapid development. Okay, just do the little chiseling. Just do the tiny habits or the, atomic habits. That's another book, tiny habits, or some people were just like, Hey man, keep it consistent. Exactly. All three of those need to be addressed.
And just like a remarkable change, man, I'm jumping back and forth between these three different modes. And I'm like, this is wonderful.
Theo Harvey: No, I like that philosophy. I agree, man. I think it more like tactical changes, right? And strategy, strategic changes. And so can you figure those out and what are the big things to move things forward?
And so I agree. I've been, yeah, I was listening to her most the other day. He talked about that. It's That he's really big on the theory of constraints. And right. What was restraining your growth is there's something, holding it back and then focus all your attention on that.
And within that, there's like little tactics that you can implement. To make that happen. So to your point, that's more like chipping away, certain, how can you get like 5 percent more people looking at your website, so you can drive sales and leads up as real tactical, but then. The bigger thing is I need to get more sales for next year. So it's so it's, I see that point until your point is just and then there's the other thing is if you're doing art, if you're revealing that to people, there has to be some kind of big, understanding what that looks like.
So you can be consistent to get to that point when it is revealed. So yeah, man, I love that, man, just had kind of way to frame it instead of Yeah. And also, I'm a big proponent of just the overwhelm. How do you prevent the overwhelm? Because it's certainly personal overwhelm like with yourself.
Okay. Yeah. With myself and just because so much information is coming at you. And you realize I just can't do it all. Cause I'm one of those guys I used to Walk around high school with the big backpack and I put all my books in there and I'll be like, I got back problems to this day, man.
So yeah, because just just, I wouldn't eat this for tomorrow and this for tomorrow. I could never leave my books in the locker. And so I think You know, for me personally, if I can chunk stuff up and start, getting to the why I'm doing certain things, or is this important to do and then realizing for instance, I had this big project and I was going to go down a path of and I was like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna figure this out.
I'm going to get the, I'm going to get into the code and do all this stuff, which I could do, but it's what? At this time of my life in this stage, I shouldn't do that because I need to hire someone or bring someone in who can do that daily because things are changing so rapidly.
I'll do something, get it working. And it literally a week later, it'll be out of date. So I'm not going to have the time and energy to do that. It's probably a more strategic, better decision for me to hire someone to help me in that path. Cause yeah, I can understand at high level and do some basic stuff, but I need someone else to like you said, do that consistent thing that that you're going to need.
Yeah, I see your point, man, having these kinds of modes that kind of can help you prevent the overwhelm, at least for me as well.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, you're right that I think that is why I had a. I had to figure that out. Cause I was trying to resolve these different ways of doing things. And I was like, okay, what's going to work for me and my obstacles.
And I was like, Oh while I'm climbing the hill, I need to do, make sure one step in front of the other boom. But then once I get to the top of the hill and I'm at a fork in the road, that's when I need to make a big change. It's okay, there are different times for these things.
So just looking at these different strategies and how I flip flop between them. At different times, that was that was my thing. And I do want to say we're talking about the gap in the game. To call this a failure, but I made a conscious decision. I was like, I'm not going to rush this out.
And maybe this comes from me being part of rockstar games where they don't rush their products out. They're like, listen, this is going to come out and it's going to be awesome. But I was actually listening to Hormuzi talk about how many times he went over his book. And I was like, There's stuff in this book that's just tripping up and it's not going to be the greatest.
I don't want it to be perfect. I'm not saying that at all. But I'm like, if I need, if I want to hit somebody in the jaw, I'm going to need to fix this, and this. And That'll just be my beginning of the year thing. I've got literally, how many is it? 40. I'm looking at my little chart here.
I've got like 45 edits to do, and I don't mean it. It's just like changes to words where I'm like, I need to consolidate these two. Sections. I need to move this chunk to another chapter. So there's like 45 of those little things to do. And I knocked out 20 in the past. So I went down from 60 to 45 changes to do, and I knocked it down.
And the past couple of days, I'm like, okay. This is where I need to chisel away at these little problems and just polish it up and birth that thing for 2025. And that'll be all I do for 2025. Just talk about everything in that book. I love
Theo Harvey: it, man. Love it. Having an agenda, brother.
Mr.Benja: I'm serious. I'm serious.
2025, all I'm going to do. This is the only thing I'm saying. I'm not, it's not a resolution. I'm just saying 2025, I'm going to be talking about this thing. Y'all going to be tired of it. Unfollow me now if you're on my socials.
Theo Harvey: Love it, man. Love it, man. Shoot. Are you ready to get into this, brother?
Mr.Benja: Yeah, man.
Let's get into this. 2025 is here. We got things to talk about. So this isn't going to be like a prediction predictions, but we're going to have a lot of predictions. We got topics now we got topics to talk about. We got things that we go over streaming movies streaming in general, TV shows, sports movie theaters, guru life, a couple of different things.
We're just going to jump around to some different topics and talk about them and what we predict will happen and what you need to know, what you need to understand. Because we thought about this, we might be wrong as hell, but we thought about it. So flame us in the comments, as always, if we, file something up, we're correct and you're not.
So all right, man Theo, start us off, man. What are we talking about? What's our first topic of 2025 that we're going to discuss.
Superhero Movies in 2025
Theo Harvey: A big thing that came up this year, previous years is superhero movies, man. Are, will they survive yet another year? Put preface here next year, we have a lot of superhero movies coming out.
We have Superman, Captain America 4, Thunderbolts, Asterix we have the Fantastic Four, First Steps yeah, Superman, the new DC Studios, James Gunn movie coming out. Yeah, man, what? My thoughts, let me kick this off and just say it's going to be interesting, man. Don't know Superman, Superman is going to be the one that kicks us off and changes the narrative.
Know Marvel didn't really have, I'm trying to think, did Marvel have any movies that came out this year? I'm drawing a blank. That's sad. I'm not sure if MCU had a movie this year because of the, quote unquote the strikes, and all that. The actor strikes that we had back in 2022.
But So now they're going to have ThunderPulse, Asterix, and they have Camped America coming out. So those are going to be their big moves for this year. And of course, DC Studios is launching with Superman. I don't know, Mr. Benja what are your thoughts about these movies, and do you feel like they're going to take over the Metroplex?
Mr.Benja: Alright let's start at the top. We just got the Superman trailer, and I have mixed feelings about it. There's some James Gunn weirdness, and what's that going to be? James Gunn thinks it should be. Yeah.
Theo Harvey: Okay, check this out. I don't want to interrupt your thought pattern here, but I've been checking out Creature Commandos, and you're right.
He's got some weirdness. That's pure James Gunn weirdness. If you ever saw Slither back in the day, or some of his was it trauma stuff? I haven't watched any of that stuff back in the day, but I saw Slither. Before he was James Gunn, but he does have a distinctive personality and writing style and everything, but you know what I was thinking about, man, it's interesting though.
It's like weirdness in there, but it works for him. And he's got that weird sweetness in it. There's some there's some real character moments and some real beats in there, but it's mask and weirdness. You're right. And sometimes uncomfortableness, right? Hell guards of the galaxy made, between all three of them made billions of the gallon billion dollars over billions of dollars and, he was able to create the whole cosmic version that Thanos and all that stuff because of James Gunn introduced that to the MCU.
I did some mainstream there and then obviously now he's going to be doing DC studios with Superman, so I would say it is yes, he's, market has proven that he is mainstream.
Mr.Benja: I got thrown off by crypto. I gotta say crypto the. The Kryptonian dog that his so James Gunn is pulling from older comics And he's pulling from a lot of stories that have been around.
So comics accurate sure and he brings a lot of the wholesome Superman that it seems that they're pulling from, which is, which I like, actually, I actually like that wholesome Superman have nothing against the Snyder verse. I think those were great. This is different
Theo Harvey: and pulling to nostalgia.
So it's got that mix of that theme music with a little, nice little updated. Version of that. And, I thought it worked, man. Look, if you guys don't know, we're talking about the Superman trailer that was released. We did talk about it last week cause we weren't on last week, but it blew up the internet.
All the geek and nerd outlets were out there reporting on it. And I just assume you watched it. We didn't really talk about it. Yeah. I just assume you watched it. Yeah. Yeah, it worked for me. So that's how I look at it.
Mr.Benja: So it works. As I said, I have mixed feelings about it. It worked.
I don't know if it's the thing that holds this new DCU together. And it may not, that may not be its intention. 'cause you've got he's already throwing in guy Gardner Hawk. Hawk Girl,
Theo Harvey: a terrible haircut, .
Mr.Benja: Oh, that was a great and terrible haircut on Guy Gardner by the way. I actually appreciate that.
Yeah, as I say, he is throwing in crypto, so there's a lot of elements that are coming into this. What's the guy's name who changes form Metamorpho. I believe his name is, he was in there, Mr. Terrific
Theo Harvey: is going to show up,
Mr.Benja: Mr. Terrific. So he's throwing a lot in there and giving himself a lot of ways to spawn from there.
And after this. It's already announced that Supergirl's coming next, which it's like, Oh, you weren't going to go with Wonder Woman or Supergirl's coming up next. As I said, he's changing things up. It may be cool, may be fun, may be grand and glorious, but James Gunn, if he, this is my prediction, if he pulls off a masterful Superman movie, it still may not be enough.
To take the DCU to the big places it needs to go because it'll just be weird and novel and interesting. And yeah, that was cool. I'm not gonna build a franchise off this.
Theo Harvey: Yeah, I agree. I think it's in the, it's a downward trend right now for movie superhero movies in general.
But I will say this, I think superhero movies, because MCU came in it and drastically changed the movie business. So right now in the movie business, if you don't know, it's pretty much, you can only have Something that's theatrical, which is like a superhero movie or a musical or high price musical or something that makes people wanna get outta their seats and go to the movies.
Because, we talked about it earlier. Yeah. People have video games, they got , TikTok, they got TV streaming they can watch. So it's like, what's gonna make someone go to the movies? And I still think superhero movies are the ones that can do that. Yeah there's something about those.
I predict, I think, I think you're right that it may not work, it may not, it may keep DC still mid tier when it comes to superhero movies, but I think it's going to be, it's still going to rise all boats. So we'll see DC that we'll see Superman do well, we'll see Thunderbolts do well.
We'll see. Captain Black American Falcon, also known as Captain American four do well. So I think we'll start seeing those coming back up because people, I think people miss going to see superhero movies in the theater again. So that's my prediction.
Mr.Benja: So it was interesting. I think we've passed The realm of, Hey, these superheroes are new and interesting.
Obviously it's 20 years in almost we've passed the era of, I'm going to see this new Batman movie because it's a new Batman movie. It's okay. What story are you going to tell? What angle are you going to come with? It's like Joker came out, the Batman came out and I don't know how many heroes you can do that for and just keep on putting it out like that.
So yeah this year is going to be the year where we start seeing if they can grow out of their current. Mind if they can grow out of the mindset that we put them into right now,
Theo Harvey: And I take that back, now I'm just drawing blank. The big one obviously was Daredevil Wolverine that came out in 2024.
And that was the one of the top movies of the year. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Deadpool Wolverine. So that was huge. So I think superhero movies are still there. We're going to have four. I forgot to mention fantastic four, right? As far as MCU. So you got three MCU movies Captain American for Thunderbolts asterisk.
I got, I love saying that because you have asterisk Thunderbolts, which actually the trailer for that was pretty cool. So I'm digging that one. And then Fantastic four. First, was it first flight? And then of course, Superman. So you got big three more M. C. U. One D. C. Studios. So that's huge, man.
I think we'll see, that's a lot on the market again. So we'll see if that's gonna drive everything up. But my prediction is that yes, we will see. Those are probably the top movies of the year because I think people are ready to go back to the movie theaters to see these movies because yeah, it's just, there's something about, that theatrical need to want to watch movies that are bigger than what they seem.
Smaller movies. I don't know. It's just they don't do a lot, sometimes. And I think look what did well, I think some of the what, the kids movies, right? Inside out to write. People love that movie that did huge Moana to that is huge. But beyond that, what?
Some musicals, right? I think glad ear to did. Okay. But there was no super big movie that kind of supplanted a superhero movie this year, which was, Daredevil Wolverine. Scared. I said dead dev. I said Deadpool. Excuse me guys. Deadpool or Wolverine
Mr.Benja: is that is the big blockbuster.
Like that kind of done.
Theo Harvey: Good point. I'm trying to think, was there any, I mean we had Barb Heimer last year, right? Yeah. It was Barbie and Oppenheimer. And there was, I was a, that was a weird mix of I think they kind of Combination helped each other kind of get bigger. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know man.
I don't know if we're gonna see that again. They try to make a Gladiator two, they call it Glick it, right? Gladiator Two and . And we get. Yeah, they try to make that a thing. But I don't think that's happening. So don't, yeah, I don't know, man. This is and I was looking at the movies that's coming out next year.
I don't see anything that's on that level. That's theatrical enough to make people cause it's a lot, man. I just went to go see Mufasa. We'll talk about that later, man. This ain't cheap. We put an article in here about how they're making money. The theaters are making money again because they were actually just raising their prices.
So it's like going to the movies is a chore now. It's yes, you can get a seat and you set it up. But man, it's we really had to think about it. I said do we just want to play NBA two K five some more, or do we want to go to the movies?
Mr.Benja: Yeah. And then Sonic was pretty big too. So I can't forget that one.
Theo Harvey: Yeah,
Mr.Benja: it's still early. It's not going to get a billion dollars though.
The Future of Movie Theaters
Mr.Benja: So in a related in a related topic, movies, they need to get creative or else. And I'm talking about movie theaters and the whole movie industrial complex, right? You used to have this whole thing where your movie came out, everybody went to the theaters to see it.
People paid their money opening weekend. It was huge. Went and told their friends, then you had the DVDs, then you had the, wait, before the DVDs, you had the pay per view and the watch on demand. And, there's this whole process and the marketing and the merch and all that. Now, most kids, most people aren't even concerned with movies and it's becoming more and more of a niche thing.
And they're just raising the prices to get the, their profits. And they're not really improving the experience very much, which is what we thought would happen. The while back Theo, you saw this you sent this to me. Article from a AV club talking about higher prices, not increased attendance are apparently driving movie theaters rebound.
Can you tell us about that?
Theo Harvey: Yeah, you got to answer the question.
Mr.Benja: Yeah.
Theo Harvey: Yeah. I mean what they said the global revenues are expected to reach 30. 5 billion this year down 10 percent for 2023 Which is still itself down 20 20 percent from pre predicted Pandemic era. So anything prior to 2020 so the way they're you know, covering that gap, even though they're down is because prices have been going up and up.
Like I was just mentioning, I just went to go see Mufasa it for a family of five and I have check this out. This is a matinee. So it was 25 percent off. So for a family of five, plus I get, I have AMC stubs. So I get one ticket for free, right? I get to see one movie free. I get to see three movies free a week.
So basically one of my, one of my tickets, family of five, one of my tickets was free and they were all reduced to 20%. And I had two kids going, it was still 60 bucks to see a movie. That's a lot of money, man, to go see. And that doesn't count the popcorn I spent and candy and snacks. And so you're spending at least, triple digits on going to the movies, man.
That's crazy. I can remember a time where they had 2 matinees and stuff like that. Somewhere. What was that? Tallahassee? Remember that? What was that theater we used to go to? The dollar?
Mr.Benja: Oh, wait, no. The one in the mall was yeah, the AMC in the mall.
Theo Harvey: 1 Tuesday, 2 Tuesday, I said, okay, I get this, I want to go to music.
This girl. So let me go to this cheap date. Let's go get this date in. Yeah, man. Days is ridiculous.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. It's funny as you could if you were just cool about it, you could watch a movie and then walk out the theater. You were in give a nod to the usher guy, just walk into another movie screening and just sitting there and watch that one.
And they were like, yeah, whatever.
Theo Harvey: But now I do that all the time. Yeah. With assigned seating. Can't do that anymore, but yeah, I used to do that all the time. Yeah. Not the same. Yeah, man. It's crazy, man.
Mr.Benja: Yeah over to people have been talking about this and movie theaters are doing different things, more luxurious options.
You've got the synopolis, which does the fancy seating and the, reclining seats with the food ordering coming out to you while you're sitting down. You've got
Theo Harvey: another one. Yeah. It's in the beach or another one that does that. Yep.
Mr.Benja: You've got concerts and, special events that take place.
And I was like, Hey, if you want to see such and such live, go to this theater in your local hometown or whatever. And, we'll be broadcasting and you can have your questions answered by the guests. I, Oh, really? Wow. And you can see Beyonce perform and, as a concert experience whatever that is to you.
And. You had the things like the wicked sing alongs on a more pedestrian level where everybody goes to see wicked knowing that they're going to sing along. It's what do you do? Do you have a karate kid movie where there's a karate tournament down at the stage before the show?
I don't know. It could be interesting, but movie theaters have to do something creative. Otherwise, I just don't see them sustaining themselves the way they are. It's do or die at this point.
Theo Harvey: I agree. It's just not the cultural relevance that used to be that you and I remember. I think my kids enjoy it cause I just raised them on that, they just know they're going to see a movie together and stuff, but I don't think they're that, what's it called? That generation alpha, they could care less. Cause I asked them like, did your friends go see this movie? They said, no, not really. It's gotta be like a big event or they're talking about it.
I'm just getting a sense of that. A lot of kids just don't do that anymore because of the expense. They're trying, they try and make these movies events. You put it on, if you read that article that we talked about the higher ticket prices, the whole popcorn bucket phenomenon, when there's a new movie, they got to have a new bucket.
We talked about that. Yeah. The whole. Wolverine Bucket . He's thinking your hand in his mouth. What was that one?
Mr.Benja: What they don't tell you about the Pop Wolverine bucket is that people will, pour the popcorn in their mouth from Wolverine's face. It's
Theo Harvey: hilarious. Hilarious. Yeah. But then they, then the Wicked and then Barbie and the girls dressing up in their favorite outfits, to go to the movie.
So they're just trying to make these then obviously. TikTok, right? If TikTok can grab hold like it did with Megan two years ago. Remember the dancing robot and people try to do TikTok dances with the robot. So it's got a Barbie Heimer. They got to find what they're trying to find ways to just get you to go to theater by making a thing.
And so if they can do that, I think there's a chance Sonic was a thing. Mr. Benji, I saw Sonic with the kids, right? So we're watching it. It's about what you expected, nothing special, but I did not know Sonic had so many characters because you would think, man, it was like I was telling my son, you remember with a spider man, no way home where Andy Garfield came out of the portal and everybody freaked out.
Oh, my God, man, when they show new Sonic characters, man, in the mid credit sequence. Man, people flip these kids, flip their mind. Oh my God.
Just like they did with shadow got introduced two years ago or a year ago. So it was just like, as it's just so many characters in Sonic, right? So they just keep introducing these. So they're going to be doing Sonic movies for a long time now that I'm seeing this. So anyway, I say that the same man invent, making events.
Selling more popcorn buckets, but I agree. I think continued decreases in box office are here for the foreseeable future. Unless the marketing gets better and better over time.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, there, there are things they can always do. And, you look to other industries anytime there's a new sneaker drop, there are celebrities there talking about it.
You have sign, sign them. Signings, meet and greets, if popcorn buckets are interesting, but that's just another weird merch item. I don't know how sustainable the idea of a popcorn bucket is, but what else can you do, toys, Pokemon cards, shirts giveaways, and get some interactivity in there, you know what I'm saying?
Try to find ways to make people connect with it. That, that weird little special message that they do at the front of the at the front of the show, make that a little more, more real. It's Hey, listen, I'm here in long beach. And I'll say, Oh my gosh, I'm watching this in long beach.
And it's like one of the actors is in long beach talking about the movie or whatever do something, but just you know what, we need to have a popcorn bucket, except this time we're going to put caramel corn in it. It's
Theo Harvey: I think about it, movie, the movie theaters are mass market distribution channel.
And I think it's a cost thing, right? Logistics thing, trying to figure out what's something that it can mass produce, at a lower price popcorn buckets are easy. Now to your point, yeah. But they, there's no, they're trying to crack that nut, but there's no saying what's going to go viral or not.
You can make your movie try to go viral, but you just don't know. So I think they're trying, that's hard. So to your point, I agree between, the unpredictable nature. TikTok and what it can do to make your move go viral or popcorn buckets. There's got to be a middle ground to figure something out.
Mr.Benja: I'll throw this at you. Movie screens are digital and they're basically running off of computers right now. You could have live voting of Some kind of poll. So if there's a poll, it's at your theater, it's Hey, Long Beach, Hey Tampa, Hey, Chicago, New Orleans, whatever, this and this.
And one of your favorite actors in the area likes, this movie, what's his favorite character and have a voting thing. I don't know. And have an app. If you win, we'll do it. You walk out theater and get a free shirt from behind the counter. It's a little more logistically weird and it needs to be set up and planned out, but this is definitely not in the realms of impossibility.
If you look at what concerts are doing nowadays. So
Theo Harvey: concerts are doing something like that.
Mr.Benja: Concerts are doing all kinds of crazy things. Tyler, the creator has, his Camp Flognaw and it's a whole like experience where people. And they're doing all, taking all these pictures together and they're just hanging out.
In fact, you could use a theater to just hang out, but they don't really do that. Tear down one of those, tear down one of those screens and just have a big room in there where everybody's hanging out, buying merch. So just turn one of those rooms into a merch area. It'll be like Comic Con every time you go to the movies.
Theo Harvey: So two things NBA 2k to have a feature called 2k live, where it's just Interview show talk show, right? Where you can see the latest of what's going on with NBA 2k. And in the midst of these interview type. Vignettes of videos they have voting so you can actually use your controller and make votes and stuff like that, you know What do you think of this interview?
What do you think Shams is gonna predict what's gonna happen to NBA next year, And they you can vote on your little controller And so to your point that interactive nature of just a viewing experience, right? And we talked about that with Netflix memory bond Was it Boulder stach or a couple years ago with it?
Ben's life choose you Bandersnatch. Thank you. What we could do to join your venture. So I agree. There could be some more innovation with that. And one last thing I want to say. Did you ever see twisters in the movie theater?
Mr.Benja: No, I didn't.
Theo Harvey: They had a scene where basically everybody was in a movie theater watching a movie and there was a twister coming.
And they actually ripped through the movie theater while you're watching a movie of people watching a movie and a twister came in while they were watching a movie and I thought that was hilarious. So they're trying to get out. Putting extra technology or making it 3d trying to make an immersive experience like you're what would happen if you're in the theater and twister came in.
And so I thought that was interesting using storytelling to make it more interactive. So anyway, those are interesting things.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, man. Some of those 21 theater. 21 screen multiplexes just need to drop down to 20 screens and turn number 21 into a big old gift shop and photo opportunity session.
Theo Harvey: Nah, I love it, man. I love it. You know what, speaking of just. Interacting and just people want to be at home all the time.
Upcoming TV Shows and Streaming Trends
Theo Harvey: What about TV, man? Streaming shows, there is some interesting things coming out in 2025. Obviously we're going to have our more MCU between daredevil. Now that's where daredevil is.
Daredevil born again is coming out. We have wonder man, Marvel zombies, iron heart, but there's some interesting stuff. Video game movie. TV lost of us season two a night of seven kingdoms. That's another game of thones spinoff coming out so that got hot D. They're getting more got something else it's more game of thones stuff and then What are your thoughts?
We don't talk about TV as much. I watch my share television and streaming just the new squid game came out on Netflix. Are we super excited about television on streaming or just in general?
Mr.Benja: You know what? Something, I feel like something shifted and people are just like, eh, on it now.
And, it's like they watch it, they enjoy it, but there's nothing like that there, there's no must see TV to give a throwback. It's yeah, I'll get around to it if I want, or it's cool. Or yeah, my friends watched it. I watched it. I just don't think the electricity for any of this is really there anymore.
Theo Harvey: I would agree, man. What's it? Skelly. Skeleton key. Star Wars. It's pretty good. Do you have skeleton seat, man? What is going on? See, that's what happens when you record at night. I don't get as sharp on my, usually you get on me like, Oh, all the names, man, I'm going to get it guys.
Discussing 'Skeleton Crew' and Disney Plus Shows
Theo Harvey: So sorry about that. Skeleton crew. I'm watching it with the kids. We enjoy it, man. It's got that Goonies vibe to it, right? The eighties feel but you're right. I don't think a lot of folks are talking about it. Did you know that Disney plus just released another what if season three, no one's talking about it.
They've been doing episodes every day since right before Christmas. No one's every
Mr.Benja: day, an episode of what? Yeah.
Theo Harvey: Interesting. They did it last year too. And so it was there, but it's just who's talking about it, but you're right. There's nothing that's squid game is out now, but. I don't think too many people are talking about just yet.
So it's there.
The Appeal of Comfort Watching
Theo Harvey: Maybe it's because it's the overwhelm is so much. It's just trying to figure out what is that must see thing. And I was just thinking last year was there anything I watched this year that was the same emotional high I got from Blue eye samurai. Remember that watching that?
I was like, man, this is good. It was like an episode. I think that the high we got this year was basically it was animated too. Was X Men 97. Remember it. That was when we super got excited about, cause I can remember texting you real time. Man, you got to watch this. And this is but you're right.
There's not, it's unless someone is telling you this is the, what to watch is almost like it happens in a vacuum and no one cares. So I agree.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. So I'm going to drop a prediction on this one right quick for any of these shows. I think we're going to, and Daredevil may actually be the one to do this, but I think we need to slow down a little bit and X Men 97 was great, but it was fast man.
It was fast and it was a lot of stuff in it. I think we may need to go more to the anime model where you do four seasons of, 20 episodes in every. every season and just Hey, listen, we got this long story and it's going to take this guy. It's going to be intense. Don't worry. It's going to be intense, but it's going to take him all these episodes to just get to the beach.
And once he's at the beach, he's going to learn how to swim. That's the whole anime series. I don't know. Anime has some dumb topics, but anyway, learn how to swim volume one. I think they just really need to pull back on and this is new and this is hot and this is great. It's no, calm down.
Just sit with it. Just understand these characters. We're going to be here for a while. I think people are actually looking for a little bit more of that comfort watching where they can just sit back and watch something. And this is why people are still jumping into Naruto and bleach. And one piece with this thousand plus episodes, it's geez, why would you do this?
And it's because it's comfortable and I can't get into anything. I want the DCU to be comfortable, but it's know if these characters are going to be there next Tuesday. It's what's happening in this world? I don't know. Just give me some comfortable watching, man.
Make it intense, but I need to know that it's going to be there, and I can rely on
Theo Harvey: it. What did we talk about a couple years ago? We talked about lean in TV versus lean back TV, or Yeah. We'll look at that, what that exact term was. But yeah, I think TV needs to go back to that comfort. Food version of television because I find myself be honest with you.
I've been watching a lot of Dexter I don't know how that happened. I think if there was a new episode of a new season of Dexter Did you ever watch that on Showtime at all? How many seasons
Mr.Benja: did I make it to?
Theo Harvey: Eight seasons. Yeah, I didn't watch all of it. Yeah, it was too much, back then there was a lot to watch.
So when, they had a new HBO or Showtime show, I think we all watched it. Yeah. Dexter's you've been on Netflix for a while. And then I think because they had good ratings on Netflix Showtime, which is still around under Paramount and Paramount plus, they started releasing all these new Dexter type, they got a prequel series now they got another a sequel that's coming out for Dexter.
And I was like, what's going on? So I went back to watch Dexter. Holds up pretty good, man. Compared to what we watched today. Yes, it's got those lapses in judgment, but when you watch shows today, man, there's no cohesiveness in, in, in the episodes. So there's no theme in one episode. So you can't distinguish an episode from another, right?
It's all one big hodgepodge. What they say, 10 hour movie, which sucks. You just want, what's the theme of this episode? They did that. Plus every character has an arc. And so sometimes you watch a show, you're like, They don't do anything. They just talk for two lines and they give exposition, right?
Every character in Dexter had an arc, even though the main character is Dexter. And I was like, man, they don't make movies. They don't make TV shows like this anymore, man. And yes, it had lapsing judgment and, and things like that. But compared to the stuff I've been watching lately, I was like, this is genius.
And so to your point, I said, all this say is I agree. I think older shows continue to take over our viewing habits versus newer shows because there's just so much content out there. There's. You heard about suits as a show that neither you or I watched, but because it was on Netflix and it had something like 70 seasons and like a hundred episodes, it's became the number one show on Netflix for a while.
Remember? Yeah. And because of that, the Netflix effect, it they created a spinoff show that's going to pop up on network TV called suits LA. So we were seeing this time and time again where Netflix, if you look at a top 10 any week, there's some old show that pops up out of the blue and people are watching.
And then how many times I know I do that sometimes let me click on that. And you go down a rabbit hole, this old show that you haven't watched in 15 years. He's that's still good. So that comfort food, man, that's what people want. I think. Yeah, so
Mr.Benja: it's going to be interesting to see how they lean into that.
We know Disney has been talking about making some changes. Not sure what the GOT guys are doing, the Game of Thrones guys. So it'll be interesting. Just something to keep an eye on,
Theo Harvey: I did one thing to I didn't put an article in there where I said subscribers were overwhelmed, how Disney finally made a streaming business profitable was in a vulture article that was released earlier last week or something like that, as we're recording this, they are making, they, their profitability for streaming was initially 47 million August.
They in November, they announced a quarterly gain of 321 million profit from streaming. Remember, they were losing around 10 billion in streaming. But all this content up for the last half decade, for the last five years, they're filing now on the upside. And to your point, less is more right there.
Remember that big glut of all these shows that got released by under the old regime, Bob Tepic the new Bob Iger said, nah, we ain't doing all that. We're going to get one Disney show year. We're going to do one Moana is supposed to be a TV show. They just reworked that made a near a billion dollar movie based on that.
So it goes to show you that they're, they figured out at least Disney has how to make streaming profitable. Netflix was already profitable. Disney. Disney plus is now being profitable and now we're seeing these other streaming services slowly starting to turn the tide against too much TV and really focusing on what they do good.
Yeah, we'll see more of that for the future.
Mr.Benja: That's good.
The Rise of OnlyFans and Subscription Models
Mr.Benja: But, aside from tick tock aside from, fortnight, these other games taking time away from streaming and TV there's this weird part of the Internet that. No one likes to talk about it. Apparently a lot of people are putting a lot of money into it's the fan service subscription sites.
We're talking about O F and something that people thought was kind of niche and like a side interest has become more and more mainstream and it's not because the content has gotten any nicer. I think it's because we've just become more desensitized to the stuff on the type of.
Selling OF content. And we got to talk about this because this is going to continue to get weird in a lot of different ways where you're paying for friendship, companionship. Do you want to, it's not just about seeing the show anymore. It's this weird thing. You scroll around the internet enough and it's Hey, I teach tennis lessons.
Oh, cool. You go click on their bio and has all their links. And it's they have an OF account and you're like, That's cool. No, no shade. It's just a departure from what was traditionally considered what you should be doing on the internet. I don't know. There's a lot of different ways this could go, but I'm definitely seeing the only, only fans mindset.
Become more mainstream.
Theo Harvey: Good point, man. Yeah. I just, I'm just on it now. And they got these wholesome, titles, what about for Christmas or holiday games or how to play a ukulele beautiful British Columbia. How they crush, Christmas baking, right? So you're like, you just think about the title.
I just think, Oh, wholesome. But don't, every one of those videos has a beautiful girl and some scantily clad outfit. It's just are we selling cookies or cookies? So it's just what are we selling here, man? So it's. Yeah, man, you're right, man. Sometimes you'll be on YouTube and there is a short and you're like, Oh, what's this girl talking about?
And it come to find us, it's the only fans ad. And so yes, more boy that job, man. Yes. This, as a person who has a young son, it does, my wife said, he wants a phone, he's only nine. But she's right. It's like a lot of rabbit holes.
So you got it. The gaming community. You got these only fan. I can't. You got betting accounts. You got, you just got all these rabbit holes that these vices that can just grab ahold of you and don't let go, man. It's just like that is scary. As someone who doesn't, partake in only fans, but I'm very aware of it, it's just interesting how that's becoming more norms norm.
Because, if you're a hot girl, used to be, you just go to IgE and show your wares. Now you're just using IgE and YouTube to point it to something, that's a platform that you will get compensated for showing your wares.
Mr.Benja: And You don't even really have to show too much. You just have to tease around.
You can still, get pretty far. Which is interesting, but let me throw this in there. I'm on this one site called super creator. There are a lot of mail earners out there on the only fans, and it's not exactly what you think. A lot of the guys who joined only fans fall into other categories.
One is the more. Pimp kind of lifestyle. And the other one was just the extreme personality. I know this artist and he does body painting. So he shows up and he's I'm on only fans. And I was like, makes total sense. And, he goes through the process of how he selects his models and doing the body painting and, the issues and everything.
The models are in and out and he's the, he's like the host and the voice, it's Hey, if you want to see this entire breakdown of how we made, this girl into she whole, pay however many dollars. And it's okay, interesting. Tyga is the, I don't know.
I don't know when this article was put out. What was this? Oh, it's from 2024 Tyga, the rapper Tyga. Yeah, he's a, he's still the top earner on there. He's a hip hop artist and host explicit content. Safaree, the rapper's on there making money. Aaron Carter's on there. Oh, I heard about that in passing, but never took it seriously.
Aaron Carter provides nude images on the OnlyFans.
Theo Harvey: Sure. We talked about the artist not too long ago. She's showing her feet, right? The musician. Yeah.
Mr.Benja: Lily Allen.
Theo Harvey: Yeah. Shown her feet, man. So it's just and then, or no, the other artists, she was showing her arse, that's how they pronounce it there, right?
Who did Kate Bush running up that hill. She said, I'm showing my arse on OnlyFans. It makes it much more funny. So yeah, man I'm glad you brought that to the point. Does that kind of link linger into like gurus? When we talk about what's happening for 2025, would you say only fans fit into that guru of vacation of the internet?
Mr.Benja: Yeah. By the way really quick. Aaron carter passed away. Yeah, that only fans trip was a little interesting. I'm sorry. I was looking into that. Because,
Theo Harvey: Real quick, did you hear about Sophie rain? She's making 43 million and I don't know who this girl is. I've never heard of her before till.
Three weeks ago when it got now, she made 43 million and she made 4 million from one dude, though.
Mr.Benja: It's amazing. I do know who she is. And she's here's the thing. It's not like they have these, you had the idea of of a corn star, a star in the adult arts or whatever. And then you had this. New OF area and that started to create this gray area because now they're like, hey We've been you've been following my Instagram all this time and you see me doing workout videos You know see how I film this one special workout where I go to the sauna and get a massage and everything before my for my big bodybuilding competition and you're like, Oh, that's interesting all this time.
I thought you were just doing, video. So it's this weird gray area and that's changing everything. So to your question, it's yeah it's fundamentally changed everything. Not just in how we see these, influencers and people and and gurus and things like that, but it's also changing the pricing model. People are so used to, only fans is winning with, you go on there, you check out these posts and, get messages you can buy kind of things.
And and yeah, we can just go ahead and go into the grooves if you wanted to, or something else. But yeah, it's just very strange and I can't put my finger on everything that's happening, but, it's definitely a model that needs, that deserves watching.
Theo Harvey: Yeah, man. So basically it's just a model.
You don't really have predictions per se, but my thing is just this is just a gateway to, to, cause I guarantee, the only fans folks also selling crypto also selling gambling sites, so it's Just more of the same, right? It's like a gateway into other vices.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. And I'll add on to that.
My prediction, is that more people are going to start following this subscription model, the sales model where, you go to their, you go to their OF page or whatever, or their Patreon page or their circle or their Kajabi, whatever. And. Instead of just saying, Hey, I'm going to, watch you do what you do or download your TED talk or your bed talk, whatever, sorry.
I
Theo Harvey: love
Mr.Benja: it.
Theo Harvey: Put that in.
Mr.Benja: If you can find Jay holidays bed. Clip from that video. No, I'm just kidding. You don't have to do that. Yeah, but that whole model and the acceptance of being able to subscribe to a person is just going to keep on growing. And now, I don't know if in China, what's really big is the sales person, like a person's running their own shopping network, like the H what is it?
HVC. I forgot home shopping channel. Yeah. But the home shopping kind of thing, where it's like some person standing, Hey, we've got this new shirt here dah. We only have five left. Go ahead and click that button. Hey, but also we have these new cargo shorts that are doing this and that's a big thing.
And more people are starting to do that on. On on these subscription sites where they'll go live and they're like, Hey, listen, there's some links below I'm offering this, or it's on Amazon or somewhere, you pick this stuff up, you get an affiliate link, or you do some do some marketing for your own products.
And it's they're, everybody's becoming a salesperson. Not just a personality, not just a guru, but also a marketer, salesperson branded individual all around miniature media company and business.
Theo Harvey: Yeah, we talked about that, media companies every person is going to be their own media company.
I think you talked about it as well on this podcast. I totally agree. Yeah, we're seeing the have and have nots in the guru world. But I think there's, I still believe in the, what, a thousand raving fans or a hundred raving fans model, right? You don't need that many fans to be, to have a decent life.
So you definitely go into Alex Hermoses and Russell Brunson's and Myron Goldin's, up on that top tier, but you can still be consistent, like I was. That we talked about before I found a low level, not low level, lower ish level guru, right? But he's being consistent with his concept.
Mr.Benja: Wait, you talking about the hold on. We're not talking about the pocket watcher, JT, the pocket watch.
Theo Harvey: No, he's pretty big time now. His clout draft and what they call it, but no, Ashton CEO. And so he has been consistent with his stuff. So I think gurus are, I. Once you just stay consistent, I think it's just going to be trying to be that big time guru.
I think that's done for now. I think we had that point in time during the COVID where people took advantage of it and took off. But now we're having people just being consistent and looking as like a job, right? If I'm consistent putting stuff out there, people will find us. Even our podcast is growing steadily, right?
Just being consistent. And I think that's something that we're going to see more niche players. So that means everything's gonna be fragmented. People will listen to their own gurus, right? And the gurus will lead them down certain paths and everybody's in their own bubbles. So we're gonna have more and more bubbles where people are not going to be talking to each other.
And I understand some people are probably talking even different languages. Sometimes when I talk to you, Mr. Benja, the worlds that you bring into my life, I have no clue. About, stuff like the stuff on Twitch and the streamers and all that things that they're doing out there. Yeah. It's almost like a different world.
It's this is how people are living now. It's like a dystopian society. You come talk to me sometimes. I'm like, wow, I'm still, stuck on watching, old TV shows on Netflix, man. But it's like a dystopian society out there. When you come talk to me sometimes, man, it's crazy.
Yeah, but I just see more and more of that just happening to gurus, just being more and more fragmented, the smaller and smaller pieces, basically.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, no, totally.
AI Integration and Future Predictions
Mr.Benja: But one thing that can help out with all of that, it's going to be our next topic is the AI, the artificial intelligence.
We've known it's been coming and we keep seeing big leaps every year. 2025, Theo AI going to do something.
Theo Harvey: What's it going to do? Yeah, man. It's good. It's a couple of things that happening with ai. I don't know if you've been paying attention. I think they come to the upper limits of what they can train these models on.
The goal has tried to get to artificial general intelligence, right? . With these ai bot ai algorithms. I don't think they can do it. At this level, because it is becoming number one, so much more expensive than they thought, right? To run these big algorithms, the training data is just not there or if it's there is now locked behind private companies, right?
Who have gotten wise to the game and they don't want to give up their data, right? Did you see that? Do you see, did we talk about this? Marcus Brownlee, how he did his video on Sora? And he just said, Hey, do a so Sora got released by open AI, not too long ago. So anybody can use it and play with the video creations software we talked about earlier this year.
So Marcus Browning, the big Influencer on technology, he did a big overview over it. And he loved it, but he did cautions that he doesn't know where this training data came from. Because every time he put in there, do a internet technology influencer, they had, different, folks, different people, different backdrops, but they always had one little plant in the corner.
Did I tell you that? Do we talk about this? No, I guess they always had one little plant in the corner and he said, I never put in a prompt. I want to plant in the corner. But in my content, I always have that plant in a corner. And so it was so clearly obvious that sorrow was trained using a ton of Marcus Brownlee content about his permission and all that.
And so that brings up the issues of the AI algorithms. Can't get that data more because people are realizing that number one, they train these algorithms and data that was out there probably attained illegally. And now. These algorithms are looking for more data and people are like no. You already got enough of our data.
You want more data? Pay me. So I say this though. So when you said, where's this going? So basically two things, number one, artificial general intelligence probably would not happen anytime soon. Cause they need to get more data to train these models and they need more access to power and all that to run these models.
But I will see a shift into selling as more of these AI agents, which are basically, I would say intern in a box, right? So you can train it to use what they call computer use to do different models. So for instance, I need to get a spreadsheet created, to show my pro forma for my business.
I can have an AI bot, look at my, my QuickBooks account, take that data set and create a spreadsheet performer, right? So I can present it to my investors and you can is something that human being can do with a computer, the AI can do it as well if you train it. And or look up or how to set my schedule to travel to Memphis in two weeks, right?
You can have. I do that. So I think that we're going to see a shift toward more AI agents becoming the thing that people find useful with AI, not this path toward, this general intelligence where basically they're just a smart, super smart human. You can tell them anything.
Mr.Benja: Yeah.
Theo Harvey: Cause I think they're not there.
Mr.Benja: So more of an integration into our lives as opposed to a counterpart in our lives. So
Theo Harvey: good point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's this tool I've been using. It's from Gemini. Actually. Oh, your favorite.
Mr.Benja: No, mine is being GPT
Theo Harvey: trip. Oh, sorry. It's called multimodal. Yeah. Multimodal with Gemini 2. 0 so it can actually show you can share your screen and it can talk to you while you're typing.
He said, Hey, Gemini, read this sentence. This is give me some suggestions for this highlight sentence and it'll give you suggestions via voice in real time. It's like having a person over your shoulder watching you and looking at your content, in real time. And so I've been using that to play with some stuff.
I just put in the chat box. Maybe we'll put in the show notes. But that's been cool. Obviously there are tools. We talked about notebook LLM where you can download PDFs and create a podcast from that PDF right to play with and listen to that podcast. So to your point, using AI that's just more integrated into our lives to how we work.
So we can assimilate knowledge faster and quicker. I think it's going to be key. Yeah, man, my prediction is let's talk about like super smart. AI and more talk about how we can integrate it better. Cause I think there's just so much out there. I'm using probably 1 percent of the tools, right? I'm sure you're probably using maybe more, but I'm still learning like, Oh, how can I integrate this?
And that's the hard part, how you integrate AI. To make it useful for you. And I think that's where AIH is going to help.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. I have specialized uses, where I've tried to find ways to get over certain humps where it's like. I have a series, you know how they say, fill out this form and then they look over the form and then they talk to you and get back.
So I do that with myself. Sometimes I have a, Hey, listen, I'm trying to figure this out. Here's the situation and I just go in there and fill out the form and then paste that into, whatever. And we, it talks back and forth as far as using tools regularly. I don't use any.
Like specific tools regularly. I may jump on, the script can do certain things with text and I may jump on and ask, Hey, I, Hey, what are the hot topics in this text? And it was like, Oh, you can make a video about this. And here's a nice five minute clip here. You can do this and that. And it gives me starting points for a lot of ideas.
What I'm seeing and what I'm excited about is how AI is really being integrated to a lot of popular tools. Like I think I mentioned last year, I got online and started asking a chat bot from a company. I was like, Hey, listen, I'm trying to do, it was an insurance. It's Hey, listen I'm trying to do this, that, and that.
It started talking to me. It's Hey, I'm AI, but I'm just going to talk to you. I was like, all right, whatever. I signed up for this instead of waiting on the phone for a person. I just let me try this. And I actually got my response back really quickly. And at the end of it, at the end of the whole back and forth session, a real guy jumped online and said, Hey, is this a, can we verify all this?
Is this what you want to do? You want to change this with your insurance? You want to go to this status and blah, blah, blah. All this information is correct. I'm like, yes. He was like, cool. That actual human was online for about four minutes and I was chatting it up with the AI, just wow, this AI is answering all my questions because the AI knows the insurance knowledge base, duh, so it can just answer questions and get it right back to me.
It was just,
Theo Harvey: You know what I was thinking, what if we had our own personal AI that can call the insurance company for us? And ask the questions, then come back to us if you'd like it. Is this Benjen?
Mr.Benja: Or even better, have an advisor like, Hey, listen, your coverage on XYZ is about to run out. You may want to review this.
Do you want me to go ahead and
Theo Harvey: I had to fill out some loan, had some loan information and I had to write a little story about like why I want the money. So yeah, I use cloud a lot more. I'm finding it to be a little bit more business focus, especially when writing emails and things like that.
It tends to be a little bit more responsive and faster than that. Still gives me this loofy. The main thing I like about Claude, if you play with Claude a lot, but the thing I like about Claude is they always ask a question at the end. So this is the answer you want it. Now, do you want to do detail on one of these three topics?
From what it gave you an answer to. And I said, Oh yeah, do number one. And they'll go deeper into that topic. And but I used it to apply for a loan, man. I was like, okay this works well. This is a, it can create little summaries for you. And obviously we know how I can help with create emails and all that.
So yeah, man, I'm trying to integrate it more into my life. I think. The only AI to I ever heard a mosey promote was Hemingway. He talked about how you can get that to say certain different grade levels. So you can be a little bit simpler and directing your emails. And so I've been playing around with that.
So yeah, man, just trying to integrate it more. I think, that's the key of how we can get you more use out of AI over the future.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, real quick, have you heard about the digital twins?
Theo Harvey: The AI digital twins. No. Was that
Mr.Benja: okay. So basically this new technology model is based on an AI structure that says, let's take a model of something that we know in real life.
Create a twin of it. Basically copy all the data or all the relevant points of data, all the variables of information that we need to make decisions and keep that over here and mess with it. Run experiments, run comparisons, do some trainings, go back and forth on it. So not necessarily cloning a person.
But let's say, you've let's say you type a certain way and they say, Hey, we're going to create a digital twin of your hands while you type. So you put the camera over your hands and you just start typing really fast. It does this. And then two weeks later, you're typing and your digital twin has a, you get carpal tunnel syndrome, then it starts running.
Simulations on your digital twin of your hands and says you know what the way you type this way You need to hold your hands like this like that because of the way you in particular type So we're gonna before you this even becomes a problem. We're gonna fix it for you. So they're doing this for hearts blood reports brain scans and So somewhere on some computer is a bunch of variables of data about you.
This is where the whole digital twin thing comes in at and I don't know where this is going But people are like putting a lot of money into this where it's I think I had a link in it somewhere yeah from health tech magazine. What are digital twins and how can they be used in health care? Okay,
Theo Harvey: I'll
Mr.Benja: check it out.
Yeah, it's pretty fascinating
Theo Harvey: And
Mr.Benja: it's all the prediction too. That's the weird thing. Prediction.
Theo Harvey: Yeah. Digital twins are virtual replicas of physical object processes that can be used to revolutionize healthcare. Okay. Yeah, I'll definitely yeah, it came out in April or in concept science direct and stuff like that.
Okay. Yeah, man I'll talk about it on my other podcast. Thanks. I get into more of it. Yeah. Cause it's just about modeling. Yeah, it's just you think about those future sci fi movies, right? They have this whole 3D image of a person or a building or something. Iron Man, he's, putting together a new, a new suit.
And he's throwing stuff out, putting it back together. That's like that concept, right? Kind of creating scenarios of how does it perform? We do it all the time with, airplanes, things like that. So what can we do with the human body to your point? So I love it.
The Future of Sports Streaming
Theo Harvey: Mr. Benjamin I got a quick one real quick and then unless, maybe we can wrap it up after that, unless you got some more you want to get into.
Mr.Benja: We're about done.
Theo Harvey: Yeah. So just sports or streaming, this is my little world. Just, man, sports is the new gold, man, when it comes to getting eyeballs. And so that's why you see more and more money guns in sports. NBA signed a 70 billion streaming rights deal. NFL just premiered on Netflix.
I don't know. Did you get a chance to watch that at all? Did you take a moment to just see what that was about? I did not take that. Just to see if it didn't crap out. Just the Tyson, the fight with ball fight. That was what I wanted to see. Cause people have been upset. Cause we didn't know Beyonce showed up at halftime at one of the games doing a whole concert.
So that was right. Yeah. I did hear about that. Yeah. So yeah, man they premiered it and I think let's see. I'm trying to look it up in real time. I want to see how many people they streamed it to. 200.
So it was the football said Beyonce Bowl. That's what they call it. Halftime show was a massive hit for Netflix. The football was too. So they said they streamed it to roughly about 200 countries across the world. And I'm trying to see how were the numbers at that's awesome numbers. They said I don't have the numbers on this one, but it was something, pretty big for them.
I'd be curious to see how well it did compared to the other content over time. Cause it seems their live content has this big, huge bump and then it like trails off pretty quickly. Because, people watch it all eyeballs on me and then as soon as it's over, whereas, you have stuff like, suits or other tv shows, there'll be like going along for a long time.
And then there's a little slight bump up and it plateaus again, but it came to a higher level. So I'm curious to see how their live content does over time. But it got the eyeballs, man. It looks like they're probably gonna do more live shows coming live sport events coming soon.
Mr.Benja: You know what? That's it made me think of an interesting crossover that could start happening between gaming and sports. Gaming started to pick up on the season concept a little while ago. Over a decade ago, but relatively, yeah, I saw that relatively the season concept where it's like, Hey, you pay this money, you're in there for the whole season.
As you play, you rank up, you get rewards, you keep on, it's they threw little bits of Farmville in there. They threw a little bits of the sporting kind of thing in there. But you always had these events and even if you didn't do well, you just show up to the event, have a good time. And it's like you got this little trophy that says, Hey, I showed up at this event and you're part of this.
Part of this ongoing, fun, entertaining thing. And then next time you're out at out, wherever you're out with your friends, you're like, Hey, we all, we all did the event and all. It was great, man. Did you find the golden pineapple apple? It's it's crazy. So I want to see more of that.
Not even a prediction. Yeah,
Theo Harvey: I think you're right. Now I'm immersed in NBA 2k 25. Yes. I saw that season. They say season three is about to start. Like what they're talking about. And you're right. They got this whole thing. You jump in and you play different games and, you can.
Play tournaments and stuff like that. It's just like this whole nother world, man. It's just crazy to me. It's just you can play tournaments in these games. You can make real money. It's just I look at my eight year old son, man. It's just wow. On one hand, just the unlimitedness of what's possible now with gaming sports and all this stuff.
But then you see all the rabbit holes you can go down, right? That from your interest level. So trying to guide that is always a challenge, right? To make them stand out for the future. But anyway, so the NFL, so And Nielsen says 65 million U. S. Views viewers turned in for at least one minute of the two N.
F. L. Games. They said the Baltimore Ravens and Houston, Texas averaged 24. 3 million and Kansas City versus Pittsburgh. The average 24. 1 million. So they average over to what? Two. Two and a half hour games. Each of them. So that's pretty good, man. That's huge in the NBA games on traditional TV.
Average 5. 25 million viewers per game. And there were about five games that showed up on Christmas Day. So sports man is still huge, man. It gets the eyeballs, man. There's no other place you can get 20 million. People watching at the same time. So that's where you're going to see a lot of advertising dollars go to.
That's why you're seeing sports rights becoming more and more expensive. So that's why streaming is in it, right? So Netflix has gotten WWE. I think that starts January 6th. They're going to start having a WWE package. I don't think I'm gonna call it raw or they're going to change the name probably, but.
They're super excited about that. I think there was some news that they're gonna get women's soccer coming here. Peacock is a streaming service, right? They have NFL playoff game showing up on there now only. So you can't go to ESPN. You can't go ABC Or NBC to watch these games, you gotta go to Peacock.
So it's, yeah, we're seeing more and more sports on stream. So my prediction is basically they're going to have it's going to get to a point where they're probably going to have a, not next year. This might be a more of a few, but I think we're going to see probably one major sport, just be exclusively on streaming.
Mr.Benja: I'm probably right. What's hockey up to? Somebody, I was trying to think of a sport that a lot of people watch that could be kind of niche to one platform. Maybe hockey maybe baseball.
Theo Harvey: Baseball is getting there. It's got a big deal. This still shows up on ESPN, which is more cable. And that's along the lines of I think we, we talked about this a little bit, that the linear television cable bundle, they're going down.
More and more of these cable companies are disappearing. I don't know if you saw who's going to spend it off. Not, yeah. Comcast is spending off all their. It's like all these cable channels into this thing called spin code. That's what they're calling it. And it's basically going to just be this other company, and they're going to try to get a private equity person to buy it and try to sell off parts.
So basically MSNBC other channels like that are going to be part of the spin co and Comcast universal, which owns NBC. And they're going to keep Bravo cause the reality shows do well there. And that's it. And the streaming services. So we're seeing the cable bundles going away and they're just going to just hawk them off and then see who wants to buy them for parts.
That's where it's going. So I see more and more of stream would be taking the place of. Cable to take over sports, used to have network television. Of course, I think we're seeing streamers get into more advertising and they know the eyeballs come from sports.
Mr.Benja: That's all I got, man.
That was a. That was good stuff. I might start watching. Yeah,
Theo Harvey: man, get back into it, man, because that's where it's going, man. Tell you.
Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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