Show Vs. Business
Show Vs. Business
SvB E203 Deepseek AI is CAUSING TROUBLE
DeepSeek AI shakes up the industry, igniting a new AI arms race between China and the U.S. Meanwhile, Hollywood embraces AI anxiety with horror films like Sinners, a Period Horror Film by Ryan Coogler.
Plus, Superman's latest trailer stirs controversy, and we explore the evolving nature of consumerism, entrepreneurship, and human relationships in the digital age.
Buckle up, this is going to be a fire episode!
00:00 Introduction and Weekly Reflections
00:13 Deep Dive into Journaling and Self-Reflection
06:57 Intentionality and Affirmations
11:34 Sales Strategies and Techniques
15:34 Introduction to DeepSeek AI
25:30 Top 1000 Questions in Law
26:30 China's AI Breakthrough
27:13 AI's Sputnik Moment
28:41 The AI Arms Race
29:17 Person of Interest and AI Ethics
30:59 The Future of Consumerism and AI
33:42 Corporate Anxiety and Job Security
36:12 Influencer Culture and AI
38:25 Horror Films Reflecting AI Anxiety
41:30 Trailer Reactions: Sinners and Superman
50:22 Closing Remarks and Future Episodes
YouTube link to this Podcast Episode:
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Introduction and Weekly Reflections
Real Theo Harvey: This is show versus business where pop culture meets pop money. We host the real Theo Harvey and Mr. Benja. So Mr. Benja, how was your week? Oh
Mr.Benja: man. Week was good, man. Week was good. I know we're going to get into the fire about AI and all that, but surprisingly I wasn't very tech this week. I was more reflective.
We're talking about journaling and all that before I was just doing some reflecting and I realized I can do some really good reflecting, but I do it on accident. So now I'm trying to figure out how to reflect, like how to sit back and talk to myself. I like, I had some red wine and, I was walking around the house in my socks and it was cold outside, but I had my heater on.
It was one of those moments and I was just I should reflect on things and the reflections is just for juicy, man. And I think that's the kind of stuff I really need to zone in on. I don't know, I don't want my journaling just to be a review of well last week, you did 50 push ups a day.
You're down from your 60 push ups a day. What's going on? That's just looking at stuff but reflecting That's what I'm getting into. I'm trying to do that more.
Real Theo Harvey: I love it. I love it. Yeah, I think I'm trying to reflect more to you're right. It's the numbers game for me right now. I do my journaling, but it's more like I did this.
Thank you, sir. See you later. Yeah. It's more of a, a checkbox kind of thing for me right now. But I love that, man. You basically had a date with yourself, huh? Had some red wine, just sat back, just, hey. Let's get together. Put some very white on.
Mr.Benja: Slow down now.
No, but I keep these white boards here. And I have stuff written on them and I have my journals and my little notepads or whatever. And I was just like, Hey, this happened this week. And I was feeling this way. And this lady said that, and I got mad. Why was I mad? And the whole.
Reflecting thing. It's like back to the gap in the game, which was, one of the Benjamin Hardy books. We talked about him quite a bit. The gap in the game really got me thinking and I went back like to the whole, past future kind of reversal that he was talking about. And I realized I've been thinking in the gap about certain moments in my life My entire life.
So something happened to me when I was young and I said, man, that got me mad. Wait a minute. What if I actually thought about this critical childhood moment as a positive thing? And yeah, as I said, the red wine was organic red wine from Trader Joe's. And it was new to me. No sulfites, inexpensive cost.
It was just there for me and I had a slice of cheesecake. Oh my God. I don't know. I gotta,
Real Theo Harvey: yeah, man. I'll just get a little intimate, man. Oh yeah. I love it. I'm blushing. Oh my goodness. Nah, man, that's awesome. I love those deep reflections. You know how you just, I get those. Not as often as I like, but sometimes I'm in my car or just, driving around, you just get this deep, Oh, I got to write this down.
I got to stop the car. And just like this reflection of something insightful. I get excited about that as well. Real quick, I know you sent me something over the week. What was that about me? I know we don't really share too much on stuff that we in a personal share, but you have, look, you were asking me about some journaling some new techniques in journalism or journaling that you wanted me to bring up or something.
What was that question about again?
Mr.Benja: Yeah, exactly. And it totally relates to this and that's, I'm flowing with it. The idea was that getting into just a higher quality of reflection that takes me from, Being on the sidelines, watching myself play things out versus actually being in there and doing more than recording I see it as the difference of, a teacher telling a student, Hey, you should do X, Y, and Z.
And you'll get better grades versus a mentor or a personal coach actually sitting down with you and, Hey man, what's going on? Actually asking you about, what was this, what was that about? Are you okay? And this and that, and I'm not so concerned about. The numbers, but just getting everything.
In alignment. And as I said, it hit me during the middle of the week and I was like, Holy crap, I could really alter and not, I am really altering the way I think about everything now because I'm reflecting differently. You know what I mean? So that's what the message was that I sent you.
And yeah, that was a couple days ago and I was just, I was red whining and I was like, Hey, B. O. Tap tap with the keys.
Real Theo Harvey: Hey, man, I don't want to get in between you and yourself, man. When y'all having your private time, but once again, I appreciate you.
But Yeah. That's exactly what Ben Hardy talks about. I think his transformation book, I don't know if it's out yet, when I did his what, eight week course talking about that and that 12 week transformation. Yeah. The way you use the present, the past and the future as tools and, how you, Represent and reflect on the past and radically change your thoughts in the present and radically change your thoughts for the future.
And so to your point, you reflect on it differently from a different perspective using time. And yes, you can become a different person, right? And for instance, today I had a situation like that. I was I was frustrated. Oh, I gotta do all these. I had a lot of presentations I had to do, and I was like, Oh, I gotta do this.
I got to. I got to. Then you know what? So you know what? I'm gonna say I get to. I said, I get to do this. I get to have, get these presentations done. And that changed my whole perspective. At first it was just I get to. Then I said, I do get to. And I started thinking about the past.
I would kill to have some presentations like this to give.
Mr.Benja: Oh, then
Real Theo Harvey: I started getting excited, excited. And my whole frame of reference changed by just changing too little one word. I have to, I get to. And yeah, man. So I think that you're, so the two things I would suggest I've read about before is there's the list of I think it's 25 questions or maybe it's 50 questions to ask your parents and it's like a deep questions that you can ask your parents about, the life and stuff like that.
I'm trying to do that with my parents. I can record it for future generations and things like that. But it gets into Why he did the things he did, all that. So just Google that top 50 questions to ask your parents. And then that can, you can use those questions to reflect on your life.
It come out with some interesting insights. And the other one was the seven Ys. I don't know if you heard about that, where you keep asking yourself why, said I do this, but why do I do that? But why did I do this? And then just go down that rabbit hole. Why?
To figure out, what's the core of the thing that's bothering you. So those are only two things I could think off the top of my head. I've seen I tried a couple of them before and they seem to work pretty well to get more deeper insight and meaning out of your reflection time.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, definitely.
Thank you. And one thing one thing I will share since you gave me a little tip there. One thing I started doing also tried it out for a while. And it definitely worked out. I used to have a pretty strict format for you do your affirmations. I don't know if you ever do those write down any Yeah.
I have this, I have X amount of money. I have this job. I have this kind of house in this location. I have this, and there's one way of people say you should do it. That's maybe Grant Cardone's way. Then, hormoses like, I do this. I do a hundred pushups a day. I do this. Amount of calls per day.
I do this. And that's the do kind of framework, and I realized I could really start playing with those depending on how I feel if I don't always feel like doing something, I'm just going through my affirmations and it's you know what? I don't feel like doing anything. I just feel like hearing something good, and then I start writing, you are spectacular. You are smart. You are, as if somebody was saying it to me. And so I found this as I'm going through my affirmations, I can just change up exactly how I speak to myself. There's no one certain way, and depending on how I'm feeling at any given moment or my person, my current state, I can say, you know what, I'm feeling down.
That means I need a pick me up type of affirmation. You know what, I'm feeling lost. That means I need a directional type of affirmation, and I change my affirmations based on where I am at the moment.
Real Theo Harvey: I love it. Yeah, situational affirmations. I like that.
Mr.Benja: Yes, exactly.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, that's really important.
So be directional, be intentional in your affirmations or how you're trying to repurpose yourself in your brain. Toward a positive effect. I love that. Yeah, it was just about intentionality, right? Just thinking through, sometimes we do stuff, especially in this world, here I'm about to, I always tell my team, I I have my own company and I have all these employees and stuff.
And sometimes I'll sit there on meetings and then I say, okay, this is Theo's. Philosophical moment, right? So let me wax poetic real quick. So I sit back and cross my arms. Come here, Children. Let me tell you. Yes, exactly. This is my philosophical moment for this podcast. James, maybe we'll have a little chime that pops in right when I say this.
But anyway, I think, these algorithms just hijacking our attention, these notifications, everything's shifting us toward a reaction. And we really, there's a lot of, and then our habits also that we built over time that we only think about, are ingrained in us and are hard to break.
So it's you have the algorithms, you have your own habits that you built over the years. A lot of stuff is probably taking up the majority of your actions, right? Your behaviors. You just don't, you just don't autopilot everything that you do, right? This is what I always done. Always do it. Or the algorithm saying, pay attention to this piece of news.
So I'll pay attention to that piece of news. But to your point, when you have that time to yourself to really step back and reflect and really become intentional, it's almost like a superpower, right? Like I had that moment. This week where someone like I was on autopilot, they said, Hey, I need this.
I said, Oh yeah, sure. I'll do this. I'll go drive to you. I'll go make this happen. Then I had a moment to just sit and think. I said, do I really want to do that? I said, hell no. I don't want to do that. That's another job. I started to be intentional about wait a minute. Yes. I can make some money doing this or I could do some other stuff.
But is it right for me at this moment in my life? And it really wasn't. I said, the only way with this would work if, these strict parameters and how much I would get paid. So I just sent that to the guy and I say, Hey, yeah, sure, I can do it. But this is this and this. So I haven't heard from him.
So I'll be, I don't know if he'll accept this or not, but, to me, once I became intentional instead of just reacting and just doing stuff. Based on the programming of I already said, I was like, you know what, that's not what I wanted. So I think you're right. You just had to take that moment to get out of yourself and get away from those tracks that you're already on.
And that helps you break free a little bit clearer. And so yeah, thanks for bringing that to my remembers, Mr. Benja. Yeah. Yeah, it's good stuff. Yeah. I called it real quick. Go ahead.
Mr.Benja: I a mentor of mine put that on me, but I called it the. The beef or chicken response, they always act you want beef or chicken and they act like that's the end of it.
And, now they have more options, but back in the day, every place you went flight, this or that, they were like beef or chicken. I'm a vegetarian. Okay, so I'm going to give you chicken and you just put it off to the side and don't eat it. Yeah, it was always just beef or chicken. But a mentor was like, Hey man, you got more choices than beef and chicken.
I used to get frustrated when he'd say that, but now I'm like, you know what? I can even bring my own lunch if I want. Screw y'all. Yeah,
Real Theo Harvey: I love it, man. I love it. On my side. Yeah, my Opportunities abounded today this week. And it was one of the things that kind of happened with me which is sell sell.
Do you remember what's that guy on CNBC? I can't remember his name. Yeah. Craver. Yeah. Craver. He has a little button sell. You're talking about stock, right? That's what it felt like this week for me, man. Just So I built out my sales team and they're out there just selling.
So I'm managing them. I'm also trying to, sell on my side. So just this constant barrage of just talking to folks, asking questions, trying to influence them, trying to figure out why their hesitation. So it's just in this world of just sales, man, it's just amazing to me. It's it's totally way different way of doing it now, man.
It's just no, one's going to outright tell, they just ghost you. And so you have to uncover a lot of stuff. Even professionals and people say things they don't follow up on. And so you have to nail people down when you do have conversations with them to judge where they're going.
And sometimes that's, overemphasizing things. They say things like, Oh yeah we're just not ready for today, to do this opportunity. Oh, okay. No, we totally understand. So would the year 2032 work better for you? Oh not that long, so you break their patterns in their head when you talk to them so they can, Oh no, I don't need that long.
So for 10, 12 years, I don't need that long. So what you want to do, and I was telling my sales team, even on, they do a lot of cold calling, you just want to break those patterns, so that people can just pay attention. And so you say something a little outrageous so you can communicate to them and and get to the truth of what's really driving them.
Sometimes the sales team is saying, Oh, these guys are, they say we're not interested. I said, Oh no, we totally understand why you're not interested. I wouldn't be interested either. I already have something, but you know what, we've seen a lot of practices deal with a similar situations like yours.
Look, does it matter if we just have 10 minutes of your time just to just tell you what's out there. So you just better prepared for the future. It doesn't hurt to look right. So just trying to find ways to break that pattern. So they don't just, Yeah. Go with the okie doke.
And so yeah, that's been my world last couple of weeks. But yeah, this week it was like teaching them, doing my own stuff, pushing stuff, so it's just Man, I'm in this whole world, man.
Mr.Benja: That's awesome. That is very awesome. Is it a, now, is that a certain mode for you? Like you have to turn it on and go into the mode and stay there for a week, two weeks or whatever.
Real Theo Harvey: Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I think my talent really. I can sell, I think I'm pretty decent at it, but yeah, I do get frustrated.
So I have to take myself out of it a little bit because you can't take it personal when people hang up on you or, don't follow up. So that's always in the back of my mind. It's like, why don't people follow up, but then when I reframe my mind. It's just Oh, what is super busy.
They got other stuff going on. Look, I look at myself. Oh I've done that before. I've gone ghost on people, right? Because I was busy with stuff. I didn't want to do it. So once I reframe that, I don't get as frustrated. But yeah, it's definitely a certain mode. I think I'm more focused on I'm really the orchestrator.
So I, I'm more about Hey, making sure the team is doing this, making sure to move in this direction, just guided them and to give them inspiration to achieve it. Yeah. But, when it comes to sell, that's what I'm hoping to train them up.
So they can take a lot at on to keep that moving because you just, you have to do that. But but yeah, so I'm having fun with it, just building a team and just understanding, how I sell, how I communicate to get better at that. And you can always learn.
So there's always things I'm listening to just to get. That little tidbit, or, what you want to, who said that to me? I don't think it was you. I think it was, yeah, it was back in the day. I think it was my business partner. He used to say this, you just want that one tidbit for the test.
That, that can open up everything, that could be that difference between a B and a, that one little tidbit.
So that's what I'm looking for. It is always just okay. Let me try this. Does this work? So anyway, so yeah, I've just been in that mode. But yeah, to your point, sometimes I have to immerse myself in that because, I'm an ideal person. I don't know. I always come with all these ideas, but then I get frustrated when I don't have an idea and it's not moving anything.
So you're right. I have to fill myself back up with new ideas and then I can go back out there. Yeah, that's what it is for me.
Mr.Benja: You know what you need to do for your ideas, huh?
Real Theo Harvey: What's that?
Mr.Benja: Download DeepSeek. Give China all your information and ask questions that you couldn't ask ChatGPT because that's all the information is at DeepSeek.
Introduction to DeepSeek AI
Mr.Benja: I think we need to go ahead and get into that, man. Everybody talking about DeepSeek and AI, right?
Real Theo Harvey: Deep seek is here, man. So before I get into yeah. So deep seek did you know about this before? So basically, this is why we're talking about it now. This is a Chinese AI model that it's free, it's open source.
So basically you can go in the code and see how it's operating and change it up a little bit. They announced it back in December. I vaguely remember it, but I think they finally two things happened. They finally released the benchmarks where they compared it against Oh, I, which is the model from open AI and and they did pretty well.
Matter of fact, in certain instances is beat it. And when he did benchmark test and last week, I think it was, is a big sell off in tech, right? So the video, which makes these expensive as GPU chips, right? They lost, I think they said they lost something like 600 million.
And one day, I think it was 600 billion. I put it in the notes, but it was like 600 billion in one day, which is the most a company has ever lost in history of the world. And not grand, it's still worth, billions of dollars, but it was just crazy. It was like one of those things where people were like, wait a minute, are we really going to spend all this money for infrastructure for AI when open AI, when DeepSeek the company that created DeepSeek only spent.
5 million to create it. And so it just, people are like going crazy, selling off stuff and trying to figure it out and stable. It's been stable since then, but yeah, I'll before I get into more into what it is and how it works and all this other stuff and what does that mean from a business and a creative standpoint?
Did you hear about this before all this deep seek? What happened, when you heard about all this.
Mr.Benja: No, I, the news came to me from one of my stock trading friends. He's I don't know. He downloaded some course somewhere and he's I'm going to be a stock trader, my eye, whatever.
So he's doing this whole thing and he's I'm gonna quit my job and I'm like, slow up, son, just cause stuff is working. You just give a little time. And then the deep seek thing happened and he was like, holy crap. And I was like, holy crap. What? He'd started telling me about deep seek.
And I was like, Oh, I think I heard something about that a little earlier, but it wasn't. Yeah, it was like China's working on, a competitor and that was the bulk of the news. It wasn't news until NVIDIA lost all this money. So then I had to go back and really look into it. But to answer your question, I haven't really been following up on what China's been doing with AI until now.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. This month high flyer capital. Management up the ante by releasing a version of Deep Seek that may be on par with OpenAI's O1 reasoning model. Raising questions about whether some American AI firms have been operating inefficiently or spending too much capital for inferior results. So the reason why this is important is because China, we don't, they, there, there's a strict export to China on all these high end chips, specifically coming from Nvidia.
So in theory, they're not, they can't build models as, as great as open AI, or Facebook or Google, because they don't have access to the Nvidia, which is the top chips of them all. So people are like, China and AI is done for right? They can't keep up with what we do here in America, but they surprised us They said Hold my beer America and they created their own AI model and so the way they did it was basically I think that technique is I'm going to make sure I get it right but They basically created a junior model where it learned from a parent model like A.
I. So typically when you train models, you use human beings. So basically the A. I. Is out there sucking up all the data and then you ask the questions and it says, based on the neural pathways that created, they say, okay, this picture is a dog. No, it's a cat. Human corrects them. They said, Oh, it's a dog and then they constantly train it over time to learn to get faster and faster with it. Guess what? DeepSeek, they did not do that at all. They basically use another AI to train the DeepSeek model. So they did what's the name of the term? I want to make sure I get it right, but it's a I think it's called distilled.
Yeah. Distilled the data from like open AI and use it to train their model. And they did it. And half the, basically half the time and cheaper than human beings.
Mr.Benja: So I'm thinking back to Silicon Valley, the HBO show. And I'm wondering if somebody was trying to build an AI program and was just like, you know what, I wonder if our AI can figure out if this is a hot dog or not, and instead of going, for the big complex model, you just go to the, is this a hot dog app?
And use that as your starting point as your trainer. Yeah, this, I got stuff to say on knockoffs and all that, but yes that's what made me laugh.
Real Theo Harvey: The funny part is here's open AI kind of complain is that, Hey, you're not supposed to distill data or from open AI or any of these other AI models, right?
That's illegal. You're not supposed to do, or not illegal, but they try to make it hard to do. So AI is like pointing the finger at deep sink and say you, you still want our information to create your AI. But this is kettle, beat the pot. And it's wait a minute. How'd you get your data in the first place?
To create your model right now,
Mr.Benja: it's not important.
Real Theo Harvey: And so this is China. Let's stop. This is China we're talking about. This is not American. That's the funny part to me, man, just how they just beat open AI his own game and create a model. It was even better and faster. And so someone made a good point.
They said the thing about this. The real thing. Interesting thing about this is like the way it was trained. We have no clue on what connections this deep sea created because it wasn't created from human being. It was created from artificial means. So basically they were communicating and training it in ways that we would never think about.
So we have no clue how deep seek actually was able to accelerate some of his learning and get faster than it. Open A. I. And some of the reasoning categories because we just don't, there was no human in between that process. So it's like fascinating. People like, wait a minute, this is scary. So A.
I. Is getting smarter training its own versions of A. I. And we have no clue how they did it,
Mr.Benja: which is Alarming in some senses that this is already starting to happen. It's the stuff that happens in sci fi movies where it's holy crap. We didn't know you knew how to do that. How did you do that?
Where'd you get that data from? And, some holy
Real Theo Harvey: crap. Look at the, it's off the charts,
Mr.Benja: engineers behind the desk. It's not supposed to do that. So yeah, I have questions here because everybody's saying, Oh, it's faster. Oh, it's better. Oh, it's cheaper. I'm like, slow down. First of all, you're dealing with the knockoff game and anytime you're dealing with the knockoff game, you have to really look at what's happening.
Is it really that expensive to make? Maybe for a first time trailblazer who's going to run into all these different problems, but still probably not as expensive as they needed to be, but they were just going on anyway. This takes me back to the old Samsung moon photo controversy. Do you remember this?
The Samsung moon photo? I don't recall, but yeah, go ahead. Real quick. Samsung decided to tout the moon. And flaunt their, impressive camera capabilities of their new phone. And they were like, Hey man, you take pictures of the stars, the moon, the sky. You can tell our lens are super telescopic because they point at the moon dog, we're going to give you closeup pics of the moon.
And people are like, really? I'm gonna try that. So they would take pictures of the moon and like wherever they are at on the planet and. It would return really good photos of the moon. And people were like, wow, this thing is freaking excellent. Turns out the pictures were faked. It was basically figuring out your location.
What picture you were trying to take a picture of where the moon should be at that certain time would use AI and. Star map data to figure out how everything should look and would return a fake photo to you. And that's that's so in line with what I see a lot of happening with deep seek and other knockoffs of this type where it's hey, let's just figure out what results the person wants and skew everything towards those results, not necessarily worrying about how you actually get it.
Let's just give them the results that they think they want. So that's what I'm hearing about
Real Theo Harvey: a good point. Yeah, you make a good point because these benchmarks, I'm sure there is in the parent model, right? Hey, there's some benchmarks on reasoning and all this other stuff. So I'm learning from this parent.
He said, Oh, by the way, this is how you win in these benchmark tests.
Mr.Benja: And so
Real Theo Harvey: it's grabbing that knowledge and then add a little something extra. So instead of, use analogy of cheating in school, right? Hey, little fifth grader, I'm an eighth grader. Here's how you cheat on this algebra test, right?
You take the notes and you write them on your hand and all that stuff. And so the sixth graders like, wait a minute, I can use a calculator. I could put it in my calculator, so I'll get better scores in the eighth graders. So it's just yeah, cheating, but it's like the next level of cheating.
So to your point, I never thought about that, but you're right. Maybe the. The way it was trained, it got the training information on how to beat these tests and it figured out some way to perceive that it was better in some of those benchmarks, so I don't know that's scary too.
That means we really even have a way to calculate how intelligent these tools are.
Mr.Benja: Yeah. From what I understand, that is precisely what's happening. This one. This one guy was saying that he was happier with these results because let's say there are the thousand, the top 1000 questions, all lawyers ask or all lawyers get asked the top 1000 questions and you start developing data sets precisely to answer those 1000 questions.
It may not be more, it may not have more brain power than a general AI that can go through all these documents and figure stuff out. But it's got answers to the top 1, 000 questions, so what's better? You know what I mean? Yeah. It's some lawyer nerd is you know what, if you asked a true question like this and that you give you the wrong answer, somebody would throw a shoe at that man and tell him to shut up because, you asked a question, how can I get out of a traffic ticket in Montana?
You know what I mean? It's it comes up in the top 1000 questions.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, man. But this brings up a whole host of things, right? So here's China, right? We thought they were so far behind in the AI arms race for lack of a better term, cause they didn't have access to the expensive chips. But they use ingenuity, engineering know how and found a way around it.
And so now they're like, Hey, we're back on top. And we did something that was cheaper. And basically deep seek is free, right? It's on par with a 20 a month. Open AI model. So that's why the deep seek app went to number one in the app store, because people are like I can cheat better on this better model from China than I can.
It's paying 20 a month for open AI. And so shop shot to the top of the to, to the charts, two questions around that. Mark Adresin, who's a venture capitalist out of Silicon Valley, one of the top venture capitalists, A16Z, he said this is AI's Sputnik moment. And so he said that. I don't think a lot of people knew what that was, but good for him.
And basically we, for those of us who are a little older, but it was before our time even, but I was, nerd into the space race. Sputnik was this artificial, was this satellite that was launched by Russia before we did. In 1950s, I think late 1950s and that's what kicked off the space race in the sixties because they were able to create a the first, and they also from there, they had the first man in space.
And so basically America had to push themselves to accelerate and we were able to finally get the first man on the moon in 1969. So this could kick off Yep. The space race. Yeah. This could kick off the AI race, right? For, what a scary artificial general intelligence or AGI type of super AI, I don't know, but I don't, what are we racing for? Their own, our own extinction. Sure.
Mr.Benja: We going to be like Jarvis. You like Ultron right now, see, and you trying to come in and take over. But in the end we got this. All right.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah. So it's kinda eh, are we super excited about this? So now, obviously we, Stargate was announced the Trump inauguration or after, what is that $500 billion Stargate AI project, where it's gonna be $500 billion to, I think it's it's open ai. Who else is it? Oracle and some other guys coming together and build all this infrastructure, right?
. And the government's gonna help fund that. So this could be the beginning of this kind of AI arms race of China versus America to see who comes up with quote unquote, the last invention which that's what they're saying. I could be the last invention we make. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see who will control that.
I think. There's a great show and I digress here. It was called a person of interest, man. I love that show and they predict a lot of this stuff. Oh yeah. I love it. Oh, you remember? Good good. Did you watch, do you ever watch the show? Did you get, I watched
Mr.Benja: several of them.
Real Theo Harvey: Good, man.
You got to watch all the way to the end when it got. deep man. So basically it's about this AI that this engineer created. And he kept it very simple because he didn't want to get control, but it was basically gave us, it was everything in that mood that show man tells you where we are now, man, because the AI, the guy who created the AI system.
He made it. So he made it. So there's always going to be human in between the what the I came up with and the result. And it was genius. I was like, that's what people are doing now, because the way he did it was called perseverance, because it would say, Hey, this isn't a crime is about to happen. We don't know what it is.
We don't know if they're the victim or the criminal, but, investigate this. And it would always be some social security number that they would get. So basically it fit into that whole CSI crime or the format, but the ultimate thing was, okay, they had the AI that he had built and this other team, they said, we need to make the AI open so it can do everything, get access to the internet, do all this other stuff.
So this other team created a evil version of AI, right? It took over. So now you had. His version, the original AI, I forgot what they called it against the evil version of AI and they were battling it out, man. They had their own human agents that they would hire to go after each other, and then, they all had the little earpieces.
So they knew, the AI would tell the person what to do. And it was like, yeah, man, I think that's what we're running. We're going to have an AI super war, man.
Mr.Benja: It's strange. Slight detour here. We'll interject this right quick.
The Future of Consumerism with AI
Mr.Benja: There was a discussion about the end of the need for consumer growth. We've got this whole model, capitalism, buy things, create things, whatever. And it had this whole explanation. It's not just one person that's looking into this.
It's multiple people. But in the breakdown, it was saying that, yeah, you don't need, once AI starts doing a lot of this stuff, we can set, step back and fundamentally become a different type of society, a different type of humanity that has AI doing all this stuff that we thought that humans could do.
We can start doing something else. And what's funny is I'm seeing all this stuff about the AI race happening at the same time I'm seeing this.
Changing Relationships in the Age of AI
Mr.Benja: This influencer, person to person, and AI to influencer to person, yeah, our communities, our relationships are taking on a whole different form at the same time that AI is stepping into the circle.
And it's at first I wasn't giving too much thought to that whole. Get rid of consumerism kind of thing or get rid of the whole idea of capitalism as we know it because of a I. And now I'm thinking, you know what? What if I don't want to, spend all my money? I just want to hang out my friends.
I don't need the next big computer. I just want to whatever the cloud sends me and hang out with my friends or, my family and the whole idea of what we want to build as a society starts to change. And just watching guys like Kai Sinat and all these other people, it's got me, it's got me curious because, I can't predict the future.
I used to be able to, but I lost that ability a while back. Sorry.
Real Theo Harvey: No, I think that, I think that's the key. It's just yeah, I think that you're right. We're seeing our relationships kind of change and do different things involved. And with this whole A. I think it's a model that we have to figure out what the next steps are for everybody.
Because, you think about, I have kids, right? What are they going to do? They learn the stuff in school, but is that still going to be relevant? And, another 10 years, probably not. So what skills are going to need to have, I'm just a big proponent of entrepreneurship because if you know how to create value and I know how to sell that value, then you always will have a job.
And so that's where I'm at right now.
Corporate Anxiety and Job Security
Real Theo Harvey: As someone who worked for 20 years in corporate America, I'm so glad I'm out, man. Cause I would be. Is my job safe, every day, because it's your knowledge worker, but Yeah. Are you really bringing value? And then that value is distilled so much because it's a corporate America, as we know, it's just a peon, right?
So your value, yes, you may be bringing a company millions of dollars, but you're probably easily replaceable too.
Mr.Benja: It's a bad feeling. And I don't know how it was where you've worked, but back when I was at 3do, for multiple years, there was just this sense of impending doom where it's we have two main projects and any other projects that were like, cause usually in a game studio, you have overlapping projects at the minimum, you have to, the one you're working on and the one you're going to flow into that's usually the minimum when I was at 3do.
It's just the details on any other projects, any R and D, any expansion, it started to slow down and it was just like this impending doom that lasted for years. And when you've got this low level anxiety, like you want to sleep in, but then you're like, Hey, I should go in, update the graphics routine.
And even if it doesn't make it in the game, at least that'd be good for my resume. Yeah. I'm going into work, it was just like this low. Low level anxiety that
Real Theo Harvey: way mr. Benja. Here's a dirty little secret.
Mr.Benja: Oh, man.
Real Theo Harvey: It's intentional
Mr.Benja: Yes
Real Theo Harvey: as an employee as employer. Yes, I understand it now you have to have that because yeah You jokers won't do anything if you don't have some low level Anxiety about you could be replaced.
It was so funny. I had one sales guy, he was doing okay. But as soon as I got multiple salespeople, all of a sudden, numbers started getting better and better. And so I hate to say it, but it's you have, as an entrepreneur, you have to have that low level kind of anxiety to keep people on edge.
Now that's fine. That say, you are not. The be all end all, and you could be replaced. And so that may be not nice to say, but it's always been like that between labor and employer.
Mr.Benja: Yeah and to that the distinction I wanted to make between, your run of the mill corporate situation and just a situation where you're you're being forced to just, I don't know, I can't put it into words.
I'm doing a bad job of it right now, but it was just feeling bad. All the time and the, in, in the entire company and, there's company morale and, you talk about your top 10 percent and dropping off the bottom 10%, like Zucks over here talking about telling people to buckle up cause we're about to get intense.
We're dropping people off and he doesn't care. He comes from that kind of cloth. Sure. I get that. Yeah, but the just a cloudy future, man. And I think. This AI, a lot to add into it right now.
Real Theo Harvey: You sent me this clip about Kaisa not who's the, this big influencer, right?
He did got back, backlash for disturbing footage of him abusing a 70, 000 robot, right? And we had this conversation, you were just like, Oh yeah, this is interesting, but I was like, wait a minute, is he kind of tapping into the anxiety that we're all feeling right now when it comes to AI and, it became a viral moment.
Because of that, literally kicking this robot that's You know, Avatar for AI is we're still human. We're still going to beat the robots. Yeah.
Mr.Benja: So real quick, let's jump in that right quick. There was a, so Kai is not popular influencer. He does these Twitch streams, which are basically, I'm going to turn on a set of cameras, go around and just live my life.
And we'll put on a performance for you in so many words. If you haven't ever seen one of these things, they can go from, one to three to seven to 12 hours. 24 hour streams or etc. But basically he gets on there, they buy, the whole shit was that we're gonna hit the 70, 000 robot and we're gonna see what it does.
We're gonna see how it behaves and reacts to things. You can expect with young kids, you're gonna start messing with it. Hey, can we push it over? Will it fall? And he got a lot of backlash for them roughing up the robot. People really got concerned Hey, leave the robot alone.
And, gosh, that's mean. And
Real Theo Harvey: what did that robot do to you?
Mr.Benja: Exactly. No, just wait until you need some help from the robot. It's like robots help me get views right now. What you talking about? So yeah, but Some people thought it was very disturbing, and Kai probably knows what he's doing at this stage in his career.
And what I wonder is if he thought he was bringing up an underlying conversation about our relationship with robots. If he just thought it would be all positive, it would get him all good views. I don't know what exact his exact mindset was, but this was a. A pretty decent play because we're talking about it now, right?
Beating up a robot and people are, it's not a dog anymore. Like the dog robot was one level, but now that you're beating up something that looks like a poor defenseless human, it's even at another level.
Real Theo Harvey: And it's funny, I just saw, I'm not going to get to spoilers, but I saw a movie that's. weekend.
It's called a companion that kind of hits on that. We're seeing a, think about Megan. I remember that came out, what, a couple of years ago this insight, there's been a lot of movies on based on this AI, and what these robots are going to do for our society and how we treat them.
What does it even mean to be human? Yeah, so that movie companion just came out. It hits a lot of these themes as well. So it's just funny how culture is bubbling up where it's just like AI everywhere, right? There's anxiety we feel. They get horror films. It could be about relationships. It's funny.
A lot of these movies, though, that featuring AI are becoming more horror films. So that tells you one thing that tells you something about the anxiety we feel in society right now, in my opinion.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, just
Real Theo Harvey: like zombies. Remember zombies? That was the whole the consumerism, right? How we just mindless.
But, so it's why horror always gets into, what's really aliens as a society right now. And we're starting to see more of that. We didn't talk about in this episode, but we'll talk about. What's coming out in the future this year for movies and man, there's a lot of horror films coming out.
Mr.Benja: Yes. It's a reflection, right? It's funny. I always thought of zombies as, everybody just. Tapping out, basically, you have people who still have their drive. They still have their, like we got to live and how are we going to survive? And then most of society is just intense given up.
Real Theo Harvey: So
Mr.Benja: it's funny. That's all. And that's why I like zombie movies. Cause I'm like, yeah, man, maybe I'll just be like everybody else. Come here. Zombie bite me. It's I got to get up in that. No, I got to wake up. I'm gonna go to work. I'm gonna go do this. I'm a. I'm a post new video and it just has me always running away from the dead masses.
Real Theo Harvey: Oh, wow. That's a good way to put it. I never, yeah, I never thought of it like that, but you're right. So basically in a zombie movie, if this, the, you getting up to post a video work or do stuff is basically the guy that's got his shotgun hold up in the house, ready for the zombies to come in.
I'm still alive, man. I'm still alive. Yeah,
Mr.Benja: exactly. Yeah, good point. That's the only horror genre I regularly will check into.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah. Let's see what they do differently. Yeah. There's a new one coming out. Was it 28 years later, sequel to 28 days, 28 weeks later. So yeah, this is going to be, that's the one that introduced fast zombies, right?
The zombies are sitting there. Yeah. All of a sudden they start running after you. I'm like, okay, why are we doing that now?
Mr.Benja: We
Real Theo Harvey: don't need fast zombies. Just,
Mr.Benja: I gotta find it. But I had a treatment for a. of a vampire apocalypse instead of a zombie apocalypse. So you get zombies, vampires together, and they're smaller in number, theoretically, and more powerful, savvy, and all that.
So you end up with this kind of, global fascist, oligarchy kind of setup. Where you have society still functioning, but can't nobody do anything without the vampires being all up in your business. It's excuse me, sir. Oh no I was just, bite your neck and be like, all right,
Real Theo Harvey: Mr.
Benjamin, this is a good transition
because there's a new trailer that came out for a horror film that came out the recent that's coming out from Michael B. Jordan and Ryan Coogler. Do we want to transition to that?
Mr.Benja: I don't even know what our trailers are about, but said we should watch this trailer and, I'm trusting everything AI says right now.
And yeah, I want to make sure somebody gets their click money, at least. So we got two trailers to check out.
Real Theo Harvey: First one. Do we have to change anything else on? I always forget. We don't got to change anything on our side, do we? We're good here.
Mr.Benja: No, we do not have to change anything on our side. We are going to do a countdown and we're going to start with Warner Brothers official trailer number two for Sinners.
I do not know anything about this. Actually Theo, you know a little bit about it. If you want to go ahead and what do you know about it so far?
Real Theo Harvey: Just, it's a horror film. We talked about in the podcast how Ryan Coogler positioned himself to create this movie on the condition that he would get the IP rights within 25 years for him, himself and his his descendants.
So it's probably is IP based. And the rumor is a it's a horror film that's based on vampires. And so he's creating his own kind of original IP. In this genre, so we'll see what it looks like, but everybody's super hype. It's got Michael B. Jordan in it, said in the, I want to say the fifties, but this is the second trailer that came out, but it's coming out soon.
I think it's coming out sometime in March, I think. Yeah, I'm super excited about that. Let me see. Warner brothers the Warner brothers. Yeah, let's see. Yeah. I don't know when it's coming out, but yeah, it's coming out soon. So I said oh, your girl, she says they're going to be a likely a hit.
We'll see. Yeah, man. Tell me when you're ready to get started and we can hit the good old play button and see what's going on.
Mr.Benja: Okay. We've got it queued up. I'll try to last time I actually got into the trailer and didn't respond enough to it, but I want to make sure I respond enough to this trailer.
So this is the official trailer number two for Warner Brothers sinners. And we are starting in. Three, two, one,
Real Theo Harvey: I'm there. I'm there. I thought, yeah, would you, so we, are we both excited?
Mr.Benja: So I could almost play out like a lot of the story from the trailer and it's, that's not necessarily a bad thing, but I'm seeing a lot of the parallels and okay. Vampires. Fifties, black people are trying to get there, find, find their groove in America around this time and the troubles that they went through and, throw some vampires in there to I don't want to say cover up, but make a good analogy for, yeah, blood sucking monsters.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. Oh yeah. I know. But you're right. It's like the first vampire we see the white guys. So it's okay, let's put a thumb exactly on the metaphor. Ryan Coogler, he's a smart guy. He's very smart. I'm sure, but it's but then some of the black folks are affected by the vampire too.
And his brother. So it's a tale of black folks can get co opted into, society some kind of way. And he's all a woman. Look. We got to put it out there. It's a white woman, that he's attracted to. She becomes a vampire. So it's
Mr.Benja: so
Real Theo Harvey: you a football player, the girl that comes after you now, it's the Chopra's oldest time when it comes to cinema and black folks.
But
Mr.Benja: yeah. They had they had the, they threw the Asian lady in there as well. So you're like. Hold on now. How are you telling that story? It's there's still enough to see, right? So yeah, I think Kugler's gonna do good on this one. I thought I knew the Black Panther story from the trailers because I said, Oh, they gave too much away.
But in that one, there was also, it was also fulfilling to see.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, I'm messed up that they revealed the brother thing. I thought they were going to keep that for later, but I guess. Anyway, yeah. All right, man. Yeah. Like I said, it was time to reveal that one. We were talking about war films.
I said, I knew enough to know that this would be a good one to watch. All
Mr.Benja: right. No. Good call. Good call. So do
Real Theo Harvey: you want to check out this other one real quick as well?
Mr.Benja: All right. So now we have queued up and ready our first time watching trailer reaction for Superman, the official. Icon TV spot trailer by David Correnswatt, Nicholas Holt and Rachel Brosnahan.
So yeah, they're putting actors in there. Now I'd never seen that before. I just read the title. So I don't know what this trailer is about. I know there was some talk about some pictures from the new trailer, supposedly be a CGI. That's the only thing I know about this trailer. We did already do the first, we did already discuss the first trailer.
For Superman, but now we got this new icon TV spot. So I don't know what that means. It's an exact 30 seconds. So that is definitely a regular TV spot. You ready for this one?
Real Theo Harvey: All right.
Mr.Benja: I hope they don't do anything goofy. My trepidation with James gun, but anyway, I'm open to it. Let's start this up in three, two, one.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. I see what people mad about that. What you mean? That face. Oh,
Mr.Benja: yeah. Oh, yeah. When you're flying that fast and your camera's doing the wide shot and everything, you start to look a little bug eyed and
Real Theo Harvey: people didn't like that.
Let's just get to the movie. It just look a lot of goofiness in there, man. To your point, we saw the guy what's a guy gardener in there. We saw Mr. Terrific. Now we saw this creature fire breed. It's a lot, man. And the two hour movie, this is what you saw robot on the ground.
Mr.Benja: Now I did the love shot where they've. I'm assuming that's Lois got the embrace and they're floating up in the sky. Yeah, that was a, that was, I don't usually say this, but that was a sweet little shot. Sweet little moment.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. But everybody's up in arm about the CGI flying face.
Yeah. Flying face.
Get out of here. You old flying face sucker. So yeah. Yeah. Like I said, I'm going to be there. Does that make you more or less willing to go see it?
Mr.Benja: Shot with him and Lois floating and the shot of Lex Luthor looking, yo, these glasses are nice, man. Jumped about 13 seconds in, those glasses are nice.
Real Theo Harvey: Chill, hold on, yeah, you like that, huh?
Mr.Benja: Boy.
Real Theo Harvey: Ah, Lex Luthor, man, I like Nicholas Holt. He's been around for a long time and this guy did you ever see a movie? You got, it's on Netflix now. So see, I give you recommendations. It's called the menu. Go check it out.
Mr.Benja: Yeah.
Real Theo Harvey: So you remember him? Remember his role in that?
Yeah. He's always interesting. He was in a, and also when you were talking about zombie movies, he was in another zombie movie. It was like a love movie where he played the zombie and he came back to life because he fell in love with a girl. I forgot the name of that movie. We'll look disgusting. I don't know.
That sounds disgusting. It was good, but he's always made and then he was obviously beast and yes x men, so he's been yeah He's been doing his thing man. He's just a weird kind of actor. Hey, so he's on the wall. He's born one day after me, okay, but he's 35 years old. So it just yeah Those are warm bodies.
Yeah warm bodies. Go check that out.
Mr.Benja: Yeah, so this is a TV spot nothing too new or groundbreaking to play there but But good stuff. Even it took a slight little, eyeball CGI controversy to get people talking about it
Real Theo Harvey: for them and go for them. Yeah, man, more to come. But yeah, we like these little trailer.
Trailer interlude. So we find some good trailers out there, guys. We're going to keep doing that. Please comment and let us know if you want, if you got a trailer you want us to watch. Yeah. So guess what? You guys are messing up my schedule. I used to, any trailer that pops up, I just watch. Now I have to wait.
Mr.Benja: Man, I can't talk about it at the water cooler.
Real Theo Harvey: I can't, man. I gotta wait. You know me, man. I'm sitting there in the morning. I'm texting you. Oh, check out this. Check out this. Can't do that no more. But this is
Mr.Benja: fun, right? This is fun, right?
Real Theo Harvey: It's it warns my heart that we get our followers in the audience.
Mr.Benja: It's a good start to a black Batman week.
Real Theo Harvey: Oh yeah. Black Batman week. Happy black Batman month, February. We'll do a celebratory something. He has the shortest month of the year, so we got to get it all in. So yeah, maybe we'll do a breakdown of some Some black history moments throughout the month.
What do you think?
Mr.Benja: Exactly. I'll talk more about Captain Wilson, Black American Falcon. It'll be great, man.
Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, which is not getting good reviews and he put his foot in his mouth, but we'll talk about next time. Everybody stay tuned for the next episode. We'll get into that more.
Closing Thoughts and Outro
Real Theo Harvey: But Mr Benjamin, you ready for the week next week?
Mr.Benja: I am ready for the week, sir. It's gonna be a good one.
Real Theo Harvey: Awesome. Everyone, thank you for listening. Please like subscribe and comment show versus business on X threads, YouTube, and Instagram. Let's does that Spotify, iTunes, wherever you listen to podcasts. Go check us out, go look at our website and see more information there.
Mr. Benja have a hell of a week. Peace.