SvB E204 Welcome to the Super Bowl Show! (and more)

Super Bowl hype meets NBA trade madness as we dive into the latest sports, music, and business trends.

From Kendrick Lamar’s halftime show to Ye’s wild antics, plus Netflix’s 2025 lineup and the future of advertising.

Can the Super Bowl outshine NBA drama? Tune in for the ultimate breakdown!

00:00 Introduction to Show Versus Business
00:06 Weekly Recap: Super Bowl Hype and Personal Updates
00:55 Luka Donchik Trade Shocks the NBA
04:15 Balancing Work and Fun: Anime and Relaxation
06:14 Basketball Anime and Family Activities
11:23 Music Industry Updates and Super Bowl Performances
27:46 The Rise of Sports Gambling
34:19 Super Bowl Viewership and Streaming
37:52 The Business and Creativity of Super Bowl Commercials
44:05 The Dot-Com Craze and Crypto Comparisons
45:02 The Power of Resonance in Advertising
48:03 Memorable Commercials: A Trip Down Memory Lane
53:46 Trailer Reactions: Fantastic Four and More
01:05:42 Netflix 2025: Upcoming Shows and Movies
01:15:48 Responding to Viewer Comments
01:20:31 Wrapping Up and Looking Ahead

YouTube link to this Podcast Episode:
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Introduction to Show Versus Business

Real Theo Harvey: This is show versus business where pop culture meets pop money. We host the real deal, Harvey and Mr. Benja. 

Weekly Recap: Super Bowl Hype and Personal Updates

Real Theo Harvey: So Mr. Benja, how was your week? Oh man, 

Mr.Benja: week was a good, but tiring. One of those weeks where I just got good things done, but it was tiring. And, talking to people about the Super Bowl coming up, they getting hype about it.

We're going to be mostly talking about Super Bowl, but people were getting hype about, Trump talking with Japan and stuff happening. We finally got a bunch of rain out here, some storms. Things are happening, things are moving along. But it was a good productive week, man.

How about yourself? 

Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, man. A lot of basketball this week for me, man. Yeah. On the fun side My favorite basketball team. If you don't know haters, I love the Lakers. So that's why it's all my haters out there. 

NBA Trade Shocks: Luka Donchik to the Lakers

Real Theo Harvey: FY. Yeah, I'm trying to say that we got a monster trade. It was basically after we did our recording on last Saturday late into the dark hours of the night on Saturday night found out that.

Luka Dondik, Donchik, Luka Donchik was traded to Los Angeles Lakers for Anthony Davis and it just blew the internet up. I don't know. Did you get wind of that? I know you're not a super sports guy, but you're out there in LA. Did that kind of bubble up into your purview? 

Mr.Benja: I heard his name, Luka, and I was like, oh, that guy and kept going.

That's, I guess he was on the news for some reason and this must have been it. 

Real Theo Harvey: See, it was that powerful, man. It even took you out of what was going on. But yes, it was funny. I got wind of it like late on. So I was watching the Lakers actually play. I guess it was in New York. And my brother takes me out of the blue.

He's in Dallas. He said, you like the fans are going to be super excited. I was like, what the hell is he talking about? And he said, look, I got traded. I said, what? So I went through the internets and did all this other stuff. And, check it out, man. It would, people were crazy, man, because when the the guy's name is shams, he's the NBA insider.

He gives you all the scoop. He's the guy that gives you the scoop, right? It was another guy. He retired. So this, the new guy sham Sharani, I think that's how you pronounce his name. He shows up on NBA. NBA 2K25, the video game as well, giving scoops. But anyway, he did the scoop on Twitter or X and people went this is crazy.

He got broke, got hacked. Cause no one could believe that Luca who basically is probably the third best player, maybe the fourth best player in the league who took his team to the NBA finals last year, who's only 25. And it's been all NBA team five years in a row got traded for Anthony Davis, who's a great player, but not on that level.

And people just couldn't believe it. And then he, the guy who shams who originally tweeted it out, he said, I have not been hacked. This is real.

So it was just unbelievable. So it just blew up the internet. My, my Monday, Tuesday was just. Consumed which is going down a rabbit hole. How did this happen? And why did this happen? And what was going on? And so so yeah, man, just and then there's been a bunch of trades and NBA those NBA trade deadline Where I think it dominated football.

Here's the Super Bowl week. He's usually all about football 

None: Yeah, 

Real Theo Harvey: all these NBA trades kind of bubble to the front man. It was like that Jimmy Butler is going to the Warriors with Stephen Curry you heard that women, Yama, who's a big time player from France out of San Antonio. He's got some help with Darren Fox.

So if you're really into NBA, it's just got you really excited about all these new look teams for the rest of the year. And so to your point, I think we're gonna talk about Super Bowl and advertising and what the game means. But basketball, man, finally, think NFL was trying to approach Hong Kong basketball with the Christmas football game on Netflix and then obviously extending the playoffs and then into NBA time.

So I think basketball is like we finally got people interested enough to talk about basketball over super over NFL. So kudos to NBA. But yeah, that's what was my week was just consumed with that side of things, of course, work, of course, but really the fun stuff or what got me going. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, it's.

Balancing Work and Fun: Anime and Relaxation

Mr.Benja: It's I've been trying to, you're talking about basketball and Superbowl is coming up and everyone having just a general good time. And I think I've started to really plan out how I do my fun, my relaxation a little better goes with my work and not against my work. 

I think I remember I was talking about watching zombie films and what it does for me watching zombie shows and like how if I ever need that pressure to not become one of the, droning masses, I turn on some zombie and I was like, yeah, I tried that.

But it wasn't working out for me, what, and I had to switch back to something else. I had to switch back to, out of control anime. I had to turn on some One Piece because it's always a, it's always positive. It's always a thing, I'm rubber, you're glue, bounce off me. It sticks to you thing.

I'm just bouncing back all the time. So I was like, yeah, let me throw on some One Piece before I go to bed. And when I wake up, I have that happy little one piece pirate theme going on. It's I'm about to wave my pirate flag, get up in your business and be smiling about it. So it's funny, man, stuff like this.

I'm always trying to like hack my little bits of time and how I move throughout the day. 

Real Theo Harvey: I can't get into one piece. I tried. I tried so hard. I even tried to read them. Was it, is it manga? Is that how you pronounce it? I tried to read the manga. I try to watch the Netflix. It's just too goofy. But I did, when we were watching a live action version, me and the kids found like certain scenes that were, verbatim from the cart from the anime and I said, okay, I could see what.

There's a, there's some corner of truth, but then they get into that kookiness, right? That's oh, this is too much. , 

Mr.Benja: my name is the real Theo Harvey. I don't have kookiness in my life. 

Real Theo Harvey: Got 

Mr.Benja: that K inside here. 

Real Theo Harvey: Big eyes. The big eyes. And it's just oh, avatar, the laugh that last Airbender, the animate that had some of that, but not as much.

It was, yeah, one piece had way 

Mr.Benja: too. It's pretty heavy there. There's a. There's a basketball anime that you should actually check out and I found out it was on Netflix. Let me get the name for you because there's more than one that you definitely need to check out. I started reading the manga and I was like, Oh, this is pretty good.

And then later on I was talking, I was like, I need to tell Theo about that. 

None: Okay. Yeah. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. 

None: I was going to find it. 

Real Theo Harvey: Me and the son. Yeah. We can put it in the show notes, but yeah, me and the son. Is it kid appropriate? Is it not? Is it one of those? We were seeing everything's cool until a year now. The demons come out.

Mr.Benja: No. No, no demons, but it's just called slam dunk. There it is. I found it. Okay. Slam dunk. Yeah, slam dunk. It's pretty straightforward. I'm not sure why it's TV 14. I think there may be some elbows to the jaw, when the guy's going up for a layup that happens every once in a while. 

Real Theo Harvey: Okay.

Mr.Benja: But as far as a 

Real Theo Harvey: new show, me and the little man can get into, he's all about basketball. 

Family Time: Kids and Sports

Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. He, yeah, like I said, when you have kids, it's just, you're trying to get, it's not like you're trying to keep up the pole or the pipe, but you also keep them off of the internets.

Because The internet is grabbing their attention more and more. They can get sucked into these video games, sucked into the mobile phones. My daughter's playing volleyball, my son's playing basketball, and he's finishing up his black belt. He'll should be getting that in March. So his junior black belt for Taekwondo.

So super proud of him. Yeah, he started when he was five years old. And so they have a junior black belt. He won't get, we'll get, I think he turned has to be like at least 12 or, but at least he's had, he can say, Hey, I got a black belt and if he wants to go back and get the more advanced one, that's fine.

But yeah, so I'm super proud of him. So he's got one more month to go. So yeah, so he's, the kids have been immersed into the whole athletic scene. And so basketball is one of those things that he really gets into 

Mr.Benja: is you said you said they're into basketball now. Are you also putting them into are there any, do you watch Cobra Kai like with the kid because he's got 

Real Theo Harvey: not so much.

I was thinking about that. It's like, why, why are you about to get your black belt next month? I was like, but what made us even put you in the first place? And I think it was the last avatar because we would do Like right before the pandemic and then during the pandemic, we watched all of the last avatar.

And so I think, that got him hype about get into karate and understanding that Taekwondo. But yeah, I don't know what, I think that was one of the impetus. But now we don't watch Cobra Kai. It was a little too spicy for him. Maybe my, 13 year old. She can watch it. But yeah, he's still 89.

Now, he just turned nine. We'll see. To me, a little spicy jokes in there right now for him 

Mr.Benja: yeah, it gets heavy and I just. Speaking of which, have you 

Real Theo Harvey: caught up on it yet? They're about to drop the third the third and final sequence of the finale, right? I binged it.

So you remember how we were, that was, I think that's when we started this whole podcast. That was the first show we talked about. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. When it jumped, when it's on YouTube and we're like, Hey, you need to be watching this. And yeah I don't speaking really quickly. I just want to toss this in there really quickly.

I love my YouTube and my YouTube premium. It's the only subscription I've kept for all this time. Because 

Real Theo Harvey: you bought the drop it. 

Mr.Benja: No, not, I'm not about to drop YouTube premium at all, but I saw that little bit of news and we didn't want to make a whole story out of this, but really quickly, I was thinking about getting Max and then I got this, you sent it out and I think Andy sent it out as well.

Warner Brothers releases 31 full length movies on YouTube streaming that you can watch for free. And I was like, Oh. And in the back of my head, I'm like, yeah, I don't need to buy max now.

I agree. So this is interesting. It's what's YouTube's play here. There's a play they can make. I'm sure of it. And that there, because it's just too good. Like, why not give out the first one or two episodes maybe, or I don't know, on, on YouTube. And then when they try to click to watch the third one, it's Hey, you got to subscribe because you can do channels with YouTube now like BT plus AMC MGM and all that.

Yeah. They, it's totally set up for you to do channels. So I was about to, just 'cause I either do my channels through Amazon or through, well through Amazon, but now I'm thinking about it doing through YouTube as well. 

Real Theo Harvey: Okay. Netflix, I don't know if you noticed, they've been slowly gobbling up all these other streamers content.

I, I don't know if we talked about it last week, but you can find Paramount plus stuff on there, max stuff on there. All the Warner Brothers movies are starting to pop up on Netflix, so it's just, it's becoming the place, basically the world television. So yeah I don't think you need to start buying subscriptions anymore to your point.

Just get a Netflix, but you saw Netflix is going up. We didn't talk about, but I don't know if you saw it. I have another yet another price increase. So yeah, it's yeah, it's becoming the dominant player right now. 

Mr.Benja: I like how Arizona iced tea called him out. They're like unlike Netflix, we're still the same price.

Real Theo Harvey: I love it. I love it, man. Yeah. Yeah, man, good week for me, man. Wow. So it's a lot of things that we want to get into for this week. 

Music and Super Bowl Performances

Real Theo Harvey: Before we get to the super bowl, do we have a few other things we want to canvas a little bit. About in the music world. Obviously Superbowl, they always have a big performance.

Unfortunately, it's a New Orleans, your hometown, but they're not gonna have one of the biggest stars performing there, which kind of sucked. But Kendrick Lamar will be there. We didn't put this in the show notes, but what are your thoughts about that? Kendrick Lamar performing and will he perform not like us?

Mr.Benja: It would be not like him to not perform, not like us you just got to do it. It's, it doesn't make sense if you didn't, you'd have Coke bottles and, popcorn thrown at you as you leave the stadium if you didn't do it. Yeah, he'll definitely do it. But what's interesting is given the amount of time that he's going to have in the super bowl, it's going to be so much more than he did the last time he was up there on stage and everybody thought that was great.

So now with this little bit of time, it's, now with this longer amount of time, we expect him to, really go in, got a bigger budget, more time, more eyes are on him. And I have no idea what to expect, but I'm all for it. 

Real Theo Harvey: Oh he's going to go into the catalog, it's going to get that consciousness going, but yeah, it's going to be, it's going to end on not like us.

And I think Drake's complete. Humiliation will become, it will be absolute. He's performing the biggest diss song of all time. Let's be honest. This is the biggest diss song of all time. Yeah. Yeah. 

Mr.Benja: Pretty much. 

Real Theo Harvey: At the Superbowl.

Mr.Benja: So dog, wait a minute. Can you, so Drake's at a Superbowl party. What do they do during halftime? Oh, turn it off. Ah, that's, ah, that's, that hurts, man. That's too bad. 

Real Theo Harvey: It is what it 

Mr.Benja: is. But you saw at the Grammys, right? When when they were doing, when he came up to receive his Grammy.

And The entire music industry starts singing along with the song. And if you're in the music industry and you're Drake, and you're just listening along and the entire music industry is singing along, it's I can't catch a break. 

Real Theo Harvey: No, man. It's it's unfortunate, man. It's definitely unfortunate.

So it, that he yeah, you mean, Drake pretty much was keeping the music business afloat for a long time. And, they're treating him like a stepchild right now. So it is what it is. That's just the way all this has to perform. But drake, he's still suing, he's out there suing and doing different things and trying to get his power back and the only way he knows how I guess.

But yeah it's the absolute, his defeat has been absolute man. It's like the last boss level and Anime, right? You will be totally defeated and they do all that. And yeah, man it's done poor Drake, not poor, but it's just, it's terrible. 

Mr.Benja: And that's weird that you would have to do that to your, record company, like the universal music group is basically his boss.

And he's going to sue his boss for, how does this end? It's just it's just weird.

Real Theo Harvey: Anyway, man. Yeah. We talk about music. Do we want to talk about some people we lost recently in the music? 

RIP Irv Gotti: A Music Industry Pioneer

Real Theo Harvey: RIP 

Mr.Benja: to Irv Gotti, man. Irv Gotti was a music producer. Started to see more of him late two thousands. Late late 1990s, early 2000s, you heard more from him.

His murder Inc basically, for Ja Rule and Ashanti and a lot of people connected with that. It was never quite on the level of, like the big. Moguls that you always hear about like your, Diddy's masterpiece Suge Knight's Drake, you never heard about his name on that level, but he was right up there with him.

Irv Gotti was always out there doing stuff, pushing boundaries, really started to bring back that hip hop slash R and B thing, as I said, with Ja Rule, Ashanti Charlie Baltimore do you remember her? 

Real Theo Harvey: Oh, yeah. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah Seven who else was, he worked with Nas, Fat Joe, a lot of people, but Yeah, man, he passed away and Dame Dash actually, came up saying, really had some kind words and was like, Hey, listen, man, sad thing.

I don't want really want anybody to die like that. Regardless of any beef or words they may have had. 

None: So absolutely. 

Mr.Benja: All right. Hip hop,

except for 50 cent. He He was doing a little bit of trolling, but what can you expect from the guy who has made part of his career trolling Java rule?

Don't know what to say about 50 cent. 

Real Theo Harvey: Yes. So our Goddy pioneer, would you say the music industry, at least someone who worked with Ja Rule Ashanti charlie baltimore. All the ones that remember from the late nineties, early two thousands that like You may have mentioned before that kind of infused R& B and hip hop together.

What are your memories about Irv Gotti? 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, it was definitely the, I wouldn't say he had a new type of sound, but he had a really solid MTV Jams, BET Vibe that worked at the time and it was this new infusion of a Street level, but pop friendly vibe that he brought to a lot of his productions.

For example, you know He had charlie baltimore job rules said a shanti worked with a lot of different people It was never that top tier, all in your face and everybody knows who you are producer, but he was always there doing his thing and really, I think, moved the industry forward in a subtle, but very important way.

Love it. I love it. But I gotta say, people were shouting them out. People were saying, hey, we miss you. We didn't want this to happen, time. And, of course, 50 Cent was out there trolling. The man who made a good solid chunk of his career about making sure he stayed on top of Ja Rule's neck.

He trolled Irv Gotti a little bit. I'm not going to get into it, but 50 cent is just being 50 cent. And yeah, but for the most part, everybody had everybody had some solid things to say RIP to Irv Gotti. 

Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah. Since we're talking about music a little bit, do you want to even talk about he that shall not be named?

Mr.Benja: Yeah. Okay. Let me, I want to preface this. We were talking about this a little off, off the air. 

Kanye West: The Walking Art Project

Mr.Benja: Ye is out of his mind. But I don't say that necessarily in a bad way because I don't necessarily, I don't really discuss him in terms of being a person. The guy is a walking art project in my eyes.

It's not even it's what did he do? It's like art project. It's just, he's just this walking art project. I don't care. So you may like the art, you may not, whatever. But he came up last year because of his. Viral commercial that he did, and I think he got such a high from doing his Super Bowl commercial last year that this year, he's I'm going to play off the Super Bowl again, and he makes a collaboration.

Or announces a collaboration with Sean John, AKA Diddy's clothing brand. And people were like, what are you doing? He goes on basically a 24 hour Twitter rant. All these websites are struggling to screen capture, video record, all the things he's posting up to Twitter. And, to X, and saving it. I'm sorry, X is calling it Twitter is like calling Kanye.

Call it X. Call it. Yay. All right. But not everyone's screen capturing, screen grabbing, and trying to copy all these things. He's just blasting out there saying crazy things as usual. I'm not even going to get into them, but somewhere in the mix of it, somebody was like, Hey, wait a minute. Do you know, he's also posting on red note being the Tik TOK alternative that everybody was talking about owned by, China and read China red book kind of thing he's over there dropping.

I don't want to say heat, but he's just dropping the yay isms. Out on there. And I'm like, what is going on? Why is he doing this? I don't know. Have you heard any of this deal? 

Real Theo Harvey: Oh, yeah. He's saying he is a white nationalist. And that is another word for people in Germany.

You're right. The N 

Mr.Benja: word we won't say. 

Real Theo Harvey: Exactly. And then he was at the Grammys, basically pimping his wife out and something that was definitely not safe for work. Yeah. Yeah. Art project. And as a matter of fact, I think he even trademarked the term wife by husband or something to that effect.

Yeah, so it's, and that's. Someone even put it out there. They said, look, this is at the Grammys red carpet. His wife is basically nude and they had kids walking around there. And so on the red carpet, so it's just, to your point, it's just no one's talking about him for a while.

So he's the guy that's Oh what can I do now to get the attention back on me again? And so to your point, he's doing all these things escalating. He's probably got some new music he wants to promote. So what's the most controversial things I can do to get the attention back out there.

Mr.Benja: Here's. A theory I have and yes, you're correct. And as I said, this is Art project, advertising campaign, separating it from all ounce of humanity. Cause if I get into the humanity of it, I might get confused, angry and upset or just sad. I don't know. But he released this in a, just a series of steps leading up to the super bowl.

The great, he wasn't even invited to the Grammys by the way. He just showed up and was cutting up with Don Lemon and everybody else did his thing and then left. Which was great. No need to sit around and waste time. And then later on, they found his wife somewhere at some club or some scene and being happy.

So whatever they're having fun. It seems to me from the outside, I'm not going to try to read body language and all that, like the Instagram experts are, but this Diddy collaboration, the Sean John collaboration is interesting because. Apparently, they were supposed to collab before he got sent to jail, and before things started falling apart.

And I was like, if he's not a fan of Diddy they're not really besties, why is this even happening? Why would this come out now? If the Sean John ship could possibly sink because of its captain, all of a sudden, Yay has access to distribution storefronts, designers, manufacturers, suppliers, he's got access to all of this that Sean John has built up.

For decades now, and that stuff is still there. In terms of all the infrastructure and connections, it, that just doesn't really like poof and go away. It can fade and fizzle or whatever, but you can always pick up the phone and be like, Hey, this is blah, blah, blah. I got some new clothes for you.

Or, Hey, can I put these on your truck? All those connections are made. When I sat back and thought about that, Ye cutting out as many nonsense people as he can, and going straight to the sources to get his things done, this Sean John play could be crazy. Crazy. 

Real Theo Harvey: Interesting theory, Mr. Benja. No, I think you might have something there, right?

He is all about how does he get his message out there? Because he's been quote unquote D platform, right? He's still on these platforms, but it's only a matter of time before someone does something. So he's thinking of ways to go directly to the message. Just like the Superbowl, right?

How much do you make on, did we, you talked about that? What was it like something like 12 million? It was like, what was a couple of double. It was eight figures or something he made and just off of one Superbowl grainy phone based Superbowl cell phone Superbowl commercial. Hey y'all want to buy them?

They're right here. So it is to your point a genius move, a power move to collab with Diddy, who is at his low point right now and saying, Hey, I can revive. Sean John. But let me have a percentage of that. And then more importantly, let me get access to your distribution channels because you're right, they do have all that.

But I'm questioning if the brand is soiled. So it's, it might be hard to maintain that if the corporate partners are running to the hills. So it'd be interesting to see. But yeah I like that theory, Mr Benjamin. I like the way you think it. I do 

Mr.Benja: like a mad man who can understand.

Real Theo Harvey: Who knows what goes on that guy's head. 

Mr.Benja: Did you ever did you ever go to any of the Sean John stores? I did not. Yeah. They were actually pretty, pretty well done. So giving yay access to all that. I don't know. I'm sorry. Just thinking thoughts here. I don't know, but we can go on from there. 

Real Theo Harvey: No, man. The.

Super Bowl 2025: Teams, Players, and Controversies

Real Theo Harvey: I think music entertainment, that's really what we talk about, but this is the show about the Super Bowl, Mr. Benja. And yeah, I think even casual fans watch the Super Bowl if nothing else for the commercial and the music. This year they have the Kansas City Chiefs and the Philadelphia Eagles who played a couple of years ago and the same quarterbacks, Jalen Hurd.

And the big one Patrick Mahone's, who's like the number one quarterback. If he wins this court, this Super Bowl, and I'm talking to guys from the sports standpoint, right? So then we can get into the show and the business side of it. But from the sport side, there's something on the line here because Patrick Mahone's could be the first quarterback in the NFL, modern NFL history.

Basically, that started in the 1920s. He'll he'll be the only Super Bowl got three in a row. That's never happened. And at least in our lifetimes. And so that's on the line. Then obviously the Eagles, they have a big fan base and they, this is a chance for redemption since they lost it last time against the chiefs.

So yeah, and then there's a hope. Now, there's been a whole controversy for the Chiefs throughout the season because they got Taylor Swift on their side. So that's what the linkage music heard. Travis Kelsey, the tight end there. He's a tight end for the Kansas City Chiefs. They're still going, they're still an item for whatever reason, but I guess it works for them.

So she's showing up on all the games every time. What are 

Mr.Benja: they calling this? Is there like a Swifty Bowl or the Swift Bowl they call it? They've been, 

Real Theo Harvey: But they've been together for so long. It's been, what, a year and a half, right? At least. Two years almost. And so I guess this is just what she does.

She shows up at the games, shows up at the Super Bowl and a lot of football fans don't like it, right? It's just bringing in other folks in there that they don't want to see. And it's been rumors that the NFL has been helping the chiefs right with some controversial referee plays. So that's the football angle of all this, right?

So just to give you some flavor of what this is. But I know you don't care about any of that. 

Mr.Benja: It's interesting. As I said, I'm not like, I stopped watching football, like intensely when I stopped playing football video games, we discovered, we discussed that, but no, I'm still interested in it.

I think it's interesting. I'm just trying to find out, there's gotta be a name for this, like the Swiftie bowl, the 

Real Theo Harvey: They were together doing last Super Bowl two. So this has been a thing for a while. So yeah, we talked about it last year. Yeah. So it's, it is what it is. Just funny.

So what's driving all Super Bowl, right? Football viewership, right? I do definitely think, fancy football helped a lot with that. Football is more of an event type sport because they typically not lately, but typically only play once a week. And so you get excited by your team for once a week.

Oh, they're going to play this week. And I can get ready for it. And then fancy football. I got into a couple of years back, but I got out of it too, because it was too much time to keep up with that. 

The Business of Super Bowl: Gambling and Viewership

Real Theo Harvey: So then of course the Madden football games, those are big time, but I think what's taking sports, but specifically NFL to the stratosphere, it's gotta be sports gambling.

I just listened to a podcast the other day. We talked about this too, but you remember Michael Lewis. That the great writer of the blind side money ball, you probably seen some movies, right? Yeah. He has a podcast called against the grain and he's just talking about all these different scenarios of, sports in general.

And I think first year he did about players and one year about the coaches. So this last season of his podcast he did on the fan and he went deep into sports gambling. And it's by far more pervasive and worse than we thought about. And we discussed on this channel, he said, 60 percent of all college aged men are gambling now on their phones.

And when you, and that's a lot, 

Mr.Benja: no it's interesting. It's it's gotten much younger than I would expect. It's I keep I keep in touch with some of the game people, Hey, gamers, what are you up to? What are you doing? Hey, how's it going? Blah, blah, blah. And. A lot of the people in the industry are talking about, their kids or kids that they know gambling.

And this wasn't a discussion before there were a couple people you always knew who gambled, it's whatever, but it's so mainstream now if you're into sports, you're talking about sports, you're talking about gambling, and if you're not, you know somebody who is, so it's really bizarre.

I'm talking about the younger set, not necessarily the older cats who are like, whatever. 

Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, we've been there, but you remember back in the day, gambling wasn't even a thing. thing. We went to Vegas and we gambled and have fun doing that, but it wasn't like, oh yeah, I'm going to gamble, with a bookie.

That's just wasn't a thing for us. But yeah, with the advent of this, right and gamifying everything. So now you can download. I just down there was an app. They told me the app it was called flipped and you could just download it. And they change your money into flip dollars so you can gamble legally because in certain states you can't gamble, right?

But you can get around that and it becomes a little game and they gamify is oh, you won, and true story. I was watching the Eagles played the commanders, watching commanders in doing my daughters. birthday dinner a couple of weeks ago. I was like, okay, let me watch this.

The two young waiters, men, both men came up to me both times. They both of them said, what's the score? Now I asked him, I said, are you interested in the score because of the teams or do you have a parlay on this? They both said, man, I'm just wanting to know the score, man. I just got to get my fix. So I, yeah, man, it's.

So I say all that to say is just as gambling is just more pervasive and is really pushing things like the super bowl, even NBA, right? Those are the two main sports people gamble on into the stratosphere because people are putting their money on these little apps in their phone to to make more money.

And so true story, he said that the thing is the apps are so good now, though, if you are really a good gambler the odds that you can. Understand expected value. So you may lose a little bit, when the bet big, they will identify you so quick and kick you off the games. So it's if you talk to anyone you say, oh, yeah, how long you been gambling?

Oh, yeah, you still in the app? Yeah, I've been playing for years. That is a that's a person that you know is terrible with their money

Cuz the apps know They have so much information. The only way they can get around it. These these sharks is either having what they call mules, basically people playing for them in different areas, or they lose so much at the beginning that the apps don't catch them for a while, right?

But they eventually catch you if you're good. So I just say that if you're gambling on these apps, have fun, you're not good because they haven't kicked you off yet. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah it's a whole thing. The people are worried about the influence and they have this idea of some shady character in a trench coat, and he'll come bust your kneecaps or whatever.

And that's, they say that's gambling. It's yeah, but. In terms of the effect, it's the much more toxic effect to society is the abs because they're getting everybody, the people who, wouldn't dare step foot in a sports bar or, wouldn't go find a bookie or somebody to even talk about a lot of gambling with.

But now it's just, yeah, I was looking at what you were saying about kicking people off. It says, yeah, they don't outright, most of them don't outright say, Hey, you're doing too well. Get off. They change your limits. They change what you can actually bet on. They start adjusting your settings.

Real Theo Harvey: Then if they start doing that, if you're a gambler and the numbers, then they'll make it so hard for you even make your numbers because you can't get as much anymore now. So when is the time to bet big, just card counting in Vegas, blackjack 21, there's games you can play the card count.

They catch you, they kick you out. So it's very similar, but on the app level. So yeah, man, it's and the Superbowl is by far the Superbowl of all this, because now you can gamble on like how long it's going to take the singer. To sing in the national anthem, right? Or you can gamble on how many people are going to watch the Super Bowl.

You can gamble on the coin toss. So it's just like anything you can gamble on. Like how long will Kendrick Lamar perform? Not like us. You get there's prop bets all over the place to gamble on Super Bowl. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, so the yeah, it's strange. It's a whole social thing too. So it's like You and your 17 friends who graduated high school together are slowly, you know Circling the drain and , John's 

Real Theo Harvey: bad.

Mr.Benja: John what John won last week. We should try again Oh Jacob won this week. We should keep trying next thing. You know all y'all burp 

Real Theo Harvey: They said, because other countries like Australia, you can see the pervasiveness of gambling. It's affecting communities. They have, they even done a study where they can determine the poverty level based on how many people are gambling in that zip code.

So it's the numbers are there, man. So it's just thank God. I never, I may have other vices, but that's the vice that never, because I think when I started losing, I just like. Man, I can't use that money for something else. So it's just it's funny for a little bit, but it's I never got ahold of me that dopamine hit right from that from gambling.

But I digress, man, but, the big game, if you think about the business side of it, so that's one side of the gambling side. But we look at the viewership. They're predicting is going to be 117 million this year. That will show up. They also said it would probably be a little small decrease from 2024 and 2023.

But one of the things I think they're not accounting for, and this is Forbes that this is the fact that for the first time, they're going to put on all the stream on streaming. I think So that's going to be new, the Superbowl streaming, 

Mr.Benja: like all the majors, 

Real Theo Harvey: not all the majors. You know what, let me look at, I don't know exactly which streaming service would get it, but they're also going to record how many sports bars will be having a channel on.

Usually they don't record that as viewership because it's just it's out there. But if you go to your local Applebee's and they're playing the Superbowl on five channels. That's five channels watching the Super Bowl. Right now, granted, it could be, 100 people in there, but they're starting to incorporate sports bar viewership as numbers.

And why is that important? Cause advertising baby. And so the more people watch it, where else can you get 117 million people to watch your, that capture audience. Matter of fact, that's one of the few places where people sit around to watch the. The commercials in this day and age. I can't remember the last time I actually sat down and watched a commercial.

Mr.Benja: So I just looked at it before we jumped to the commercials. I did, I'm looking at who can, where can I stream super bowl 2025 59, right? That's the number. It's going to happen on Fubo. I don't know if anybody's using Fubo. I don't hear about it, but I see the name come up quite a bit to be direct TV stream sling TV.

YouTube TV and Hulu with live TV. 

Real Theo Harvey: Okay. Yeah, there you go. I predict, I heard this from someone else though, but I predicted. I eventually, we're going to have a Super Bowl, a streaming Super Bowl. So it will no longer be on broadcast, but it would be on Netflix or something. The Super Bowl.

Who 

Mr.Benja: gets it, you think? 

Real Theo Harvey: Netflix. It's gotta be Netflix. Netflix has got the bigger pockets. Now, Disney, 

Mr.Benja: I think they're setting that up with the with their WWE live and all that. 

Real Theo Harvey: Absolutely. They're getting better and better at it 

Mr.Benja: every week. They're testing it out with WWE. 

Real Theo Harvey: But then, the Christmas NFL games, right?

That was a big test, especially the Beyonce bowl in the middle. That was a big test. Remember? It didn't flicked not too many complaints. So I think they're getting better and better at it. And the fact that Think about from a business standpoint, they're like, we got to get international. That's how the NBA grew, right?

We NBA became the Olympics that the dream team that allowed them to become more of an international game. Now you got all these international players, right? Our top players on all international players, right? Luca, John, it, Don, it, don't check Victor when Benyama what's his name? The joker. They're all international players and they're, because the game got exposed.

So NFL is trying to go international, have you seen to have games, on the West Coast that come on at 6 30 in the morning there for you guys because they're over in England. So they're playing at noon. It's like football games, right? Football, soccer. So from my business standpoint, they're looking to go international.

So it makes sense for them to have partner of Netflix and Netflix. That's going to be a huge, it's not going to be solely Netflix, of course, but that's going to be a huge amount of money because they just saw the NBA got 67 billion and they're like, okay, we're going to get way more than that.

And so they're looking for maybe 100, I wouldn't be surprised with 100, 150 billion dollar streaming deal. It's gonna be huge. So anyway, that's the business of the Super Bowl. Mr Benja. 

Super Bowl Commercials: Creativity and Impact

Real Theo Harvey: Then the commercials, right? Those are the things that I think people are excited to see. Before we get into it.

Yeah, don't you aren't you going to watch the Super Bowl commercials? 

Mr.Benja: After the fact. So I haven't, I watched them just out of entertainment sake and nostalgia sake are like, is it a thing with the younger crowd? I know a lot of it, like right after the Superbowl happens, they show up on YouTube and people just watch those, right?

Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. Good point. But it's something about watching if you have a Superbowl party or with your family, it's about watching it, that you get. Excitement from and, look at that Super Bowl commercial and you can talk about it the next day. Think about everything. The only thing that's getting people's attention is events, right?

Unless you just are constantly pinging them with notifications and all this other crap. So Super Bowl is an event watching commercials event. It's like this is the time we set aside to watch commercials. So we're going to watch them. And so I think. Watching commercials during the Super Bowl has become an event now.

And yes, absolutely 

None: people 

Real Theo Harvey: are into it. And memorable, Super Bowl commercials, just commercials can definitely move the needle with brand awareness. Obviously, who can't forget those? The Clydesdale horses, right? But Budweiser and what's up? You know that, and so beer commercials, this is a huge, they already have huge awareness, brand awareness, but it can help change the narrative around them or move them in different directions, especially.

I think who launched that year? There was a new kind of I think, but light, it was like the first light, light beer tastes great, less filling. Or Miller light. I think that's what I think they premiered in the Super Bowl and that changed the whole, genre of light beer for, for, so instead of having regular beer, you can have light beer now and the commercials open at, or the, not the famous 1984 commercial from Apple, which premiered and showed. The whole what is it the hammer when she was, she's wanting to hammer at the the screen and it was basically break free from the the Microsoft PC era and get a Mac. Which is more friendly and open to people. So that was, that's probably one of the most famous ones.

And as a creative, Mr. Benja, that's the business side, right? Can it change the narrative? Can it launch a brand, can launch a product, but as a bit as a creative, who's been on that side of the what are you guys talking about to get people excited about the brand or product when you're launching on such a big stage potentially?

Mr.Benja: Okay and this is back to. We're talking about, yay, being an art project when you start to view these things, a lot of creatives to really get into that space, you start to stop thinking about what you're doing in normal terms and just try to express something. And however, that gets distilled into a commercial or a launch is hopefully.

Going to work. Otherwise, you may need to rewind and say, okay, what are we really trying to express? How come that expression didn't come off properly? Now you start to that sounds maybe a little artsy fartsy, you think back to like, where's the beef? And that was a quintessential expression that people had when they viewed some of these burgers they were eating.

They're like, where's the beef? And it was funny. You would joke with your friends. You could open it up and you see this? What is this? And that captured the entire expression, three words and you could really push that whole thing. Coca Cola with the polar bears. It's polar bears are nice, friendly.

They're grand, people generally like them. I don't know anybody who's saying Oh, I don't like polar bears. Coca Cola uses them and you get this cold, refreshing, happy, winterish, timeless effect just by invoking, a polar bear smiling and holding a Coca Cola. So you start getting into trying to what it.

What your brand expresses to people, not just how many, butts can I get in the seat? What kind of computer graphics can I use? What actors can I get to star in it? Can I get people to laugh that stuff may work to get attention, but does it get that engagement? Does it get that desire? Does it latch on to the person?

And after the campaign is said and done, does the person still walk around with that image branded in their mind? Yeah, and Super Bowl is a great time for it. And. It's it's a different kind of thing because people are captivated at that moment. They're like, instead of being blindsided by it or caught off guard or going viral, people actually stopping and saying, okay, hold on a second.

You've got a commercial. You're going to advertise something to me. Do it now. That's a different type of pressure that's really weird for the Super Bowl. 

Real Theo Harvey: Good point. I was thinking about the great Super Bowl commercials and they always tight in attribute of the product, right?

That wants to draw you in like a character, right? And so when you think about the what's up It's about you. You drink a bud when you just hang out with your buddies, right? Just having a good time. And that's what that what's up ad was about. What's up? What's that? What's that being silly? We all been there, but just hanging out and just, Hey, I'm enjoying time.

My buddies, I don't have to be serious, but doing nothing, drinking a bud. And that's. That's that was attribute. Just this is what you drink when you're around your friends and enjoy that time or the apple commercial we talked about, right? It was about the attribute was, hey, this, you remember the whole product design was around having fonts, different fonts, right?

Because Steve job, he took a writing course, right? And how to You know, do calligraphy and all that. And so to him, having a computer that had you could be expressive and be different than what you saw in traditional computers, because which made sense right from business standpoint, they were trying to make an assembly line computers, right?

Everybody gets the same computer so we can mass produce it. But Apple is look, we're going to make something that can be creative and use an artsy fartsy. And that was how we're going to, yeah. Bigger stake to be a true differentiator from the number one product. So I definitely see that, the ads, if you do them right, they can latch on to an attribute.

And that's probably why crypto, and or the dot com. Mr. Benja, we've been around a while, so we've seen. 

The Dot-Com Craze and Crypto Hype

Real Theo Harvey: Major pushes in different areas. So you remember the. com craze, the pets. com, the whole. com thing. So that was the big push and everyone had a website and the super bowl commercials at that time.

They had these companies that had no money and they've got, they got all this funding from venture capitalists and they spent millions of dollars to say, Hey, pets. com or. Dogs. com or whatever. And they were promoting just the people come to their website to potentially maybe buy something, but it was all about getting traffic with that commercial.

And it was really not tied to anything, but just a funny story. And then likewise, when you look at the other coin, not too long ago was crypto. They just had a bunch of celebrities in there and it was just about crypto is going to be different, but. Why was it going to be different?

Yeah. Yeah. LeBron James up there talking to his younger self. Okay. That's cool. You had Larry David talking about how easy it is with crypto to make money, but it was nothing that was tied to an attribute to make it last long. 

The Power of Resonance in Advertising

Real Theo Harvey: So maybe to your point, Mr. Benji, if the, it can't be lasting unless they can evoke some kind of resonant product differentiation and characteristic.

That makes sense for the people 

Mr.Benja: that last part you said that makes sense for the people to me, any good, like commercial, you put something out, you instantly latch on and you're like, yeah, I'm there. I catch that expression. It's not just talking with me. We're talking the same language, don't know if that's if you've ever been hit by that at some point if you go to a certain city, yeah, And, you go to a certain city or go to a certain event or go to a concert and even better thing, like you may know the person you're listening to, you may have seen them in, in a music video or something, or heard about them on the news.

But when you go to their concert, you see their fans, you see the merch, when they get on stage that you see how they walk, not how they, present themselves in a music video, but you actually see how the person walks and carries themselves and the way they talk to their friends. And you're like Oh, I get it.

I'm there now, and when you can do that with an advertisement or a promotion or somebody says, Oh, I get it. I need to be a part of this. That's all most creators are looking for. 

Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. Really it's all about as a creative I guess evoking human, real human emotion or tapping into something inside yourself to say, Hey, this is part of me, and people react to that, so I'm not so alone anymore.

And that's always think about creative. Yeah. . 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. It's, that's 

Real Theo Harvey: validates your pain or your trauma or no, your joy. In some cases you connect 

Mr.Benja: because, in, in, in our speak, we're not trying to get a reaction out of somebody, we're trying to resonate with somebody 

None: and 

Mr.Benja: I think that words, those words don't get differentiated enough.

Oh, he's just trying to get a rise out of you. Yes, he's trying to get a reaction, but more so he's trying to resonate with something out there. 

Real Theo Harvey: So if you look at the Venn diagram or circles A reaction is a huge bubble. Resonate is in the middle of that bubble, right? Because you get all kinds of reactions, but there's only a few things that resonate with you.

Mr.Benja: Yes, I was sitting here thinking, would that, would the Resonate Be slightly outside of, would it be intersecting or totally 

Real Theo Harvey: If they react it, it probably is. There's resonate on some level, maybe a negative. 

Mr.Benja: Okay. Now does resonate always mean positive or negative? So that's something we're getting into the definition of it or not.

I love it, but like doing this pod, 

Real Theo Harvey: Vocabulary, breakdowns, grammar. 

Mr.Benja: If somebody, farts during your funeral it may get a reaction out of me. I do not resonate with that person. I might have to ask them to leave, 

Real Theo Harvey: what did resonate 

Mr.Benja: resonated my mouth negatively.

Real Theo Harvey: One other thing, what are 

Mr.Benja: you farting for? 

Real Theo Harvey: I love it. I love it. 

Memorable Commercials and Their Impact

Real Theo Harvey: One fun thing we want to leave with is like commercials. We'll talk about our favorite commercials here real quick, but hey, look, if you Have a favorite commercial put in the comments put a link to it. Maybe we'll give you a shout out another time But yeah, 

Mr.Benja: I'd like to know 

Real Theo Harvey: yeah me too.

So mr. Binger, what are some of your favorite ones and why 

Mr.Benja: I did start off with? Where's the beef because honestly? My brother and my sister used to go to McDonald's a lot and I'd end up getting McDonald's food. And I just really wasn't satisfied with the beef, man. It was even back then with, they had a little diced onions, just sprinkled on there, weird.

You're like, man, what is this? And it wasn't like a real burger, but you go, I was going to Wendy's. water burger, you get a whopper and those were like beefy burgers. And when they came out with that, where's the beef boom, perfect resonation. I was like, yeah, man, I'm gonna hang out with these old ladies and crack on McDonald's burgers all day.

Real Theo Harvey: Love it. Love it. I talked about 1984 basically is the groundbreaking Super Bowl ad directed by Ridley Scott, the guy who did Alien introducing the Macintosh computer, which established Apple as a revolutionary force against conformity and setting the standard for Super Bowl advertising with his cinematic quality and bold messaging.

So yes, it's, it set the stage for it all. And if you remember it's as classic as it is, it's basically was very cinematic and all that. So yeah, 1984 is always goes down for me as a great Super Bowl. 

Mr.Benja: I've mentioned where's the beef, but that wasn't the Super Bowl commercial necessarily.

It was just a campaign. But as far as Super Bowl goes, I was always the Budweiser bottles when they had Bud versus Bud Light, the bottles as a kid, those bottles playing football made me wanna drink. I just , I was like, yo, the bottles could do that. And then I was in the, I just be in the grocery store to see the bottles and I'm just like, I need some of them bottles, dog.

I'm gonna play football. It's going to be great. 

Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, that's right. It had a little helmets on. Yeah, that was cute. The most interesting man in the world, right? 2006, a cultural phenomenon celebrating charisma and adventure, transforming a relatively unknown beer brand into a household name and generating countless means while increasing sales by 34 percent at a time with imported beer sales were declining.

So that changed the game. Business. It was just, they just couldn't bring it back once the guy retired. I think they tried to bring in another younger guy, but it just didn't keep, but you remember those, have you ever rode a road? A bull while eating a pizza, just the craziest thing.

And meet the most interesting man in the world. He said, I don't do it. I don't always drink beer, but when I do. It's Dosek is classic.

Mr.Benja: Yeah. Other memorable commercials. Superbowl wise, like I can't really. Thank you to me that jump out at me for the Super Bowl in particular, but the Legend of Zelda rap was always what do it. Okay. Yeah, it's one of those things that's one of my first memories. It's the Legend of Zelda.

It's really rad. Those creatures of Ganon's they're really bad. You've got your Octorox and all that. And it was, I hated when they put rap in commercials, but for some reason, this Zelda rap commercial worked for me. And I had that recorded on VHS and I've rewind that and play it over and over again.

Real Theo Harvey: Nintendo. Yeah, definitely. They yeah they did that, but the competitor Sega they had me at go boy. When Sonic the Hedgehog came out and altered beast, and then they had that rap song, they had that. It wasn't a rap song. It was basically a funky R& B hit boy. It was like Sega does. Has better graphics, has Mike, not Mike Tyson punch out, but Buster Duggett, Buster Douglas, right?

They had Pat Raleigh. Yeah, it was all whack. They had Joe Montana. Joe Montana, yep. So instead of Madden, they had Joe Montana, they had Mike Tyson. It's who's the second best guy we can get? But yeah, that was a classic. The Nintendo Nintendo women say get what Genesis does when the 10 don't hilarious, go check that, that commercial out.

And then I want to end it real quick with a hilltop. That's the famous Coca Cola commercial where a bunch of hippies are on the hilltop and says, I want to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony and make classic by the famous ending to Mad Men where the main character, Don Draper, in theory, Came up with this ad, which is one of the most famous ads of all time.

And to your point it hits on all the points. Coca Cola was down. They use it as a unifying force to say, Hey sharing it, Coke and being can bring peace and unity to the world. And that changed their. Projections for financial means, but also became a powerful story. So yeah, it hit all and it became so iconic that we saw it in the late 2000s with a great TV show.

So it's just that hilltop hits all the buttons at the same time. So guys, if you got a favorite commercial out there, put it in the show notes, we'll give you a shout out. But yeah these commercial look, commercials are probably the best synopsis of show versus business. Absolutely. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, I think so.

They're an interesting form of expression and art. They are, Mr. Bangerz. And commerce. 

Real Theo Harvey: Oh, definitely commerce. 

Trailer Reactions: Fantastic Four and More

Real Theo Harvey: Do we want to get into the trailers this week? 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, man. We got some trailers. We're having fun with these. We're going to keep doing them as long as you guys are responding.

We just want to respond to some React to some trailers here. And we've got two and I added a third one. I don't know if you want to do that one, but I thought it was funny. I haven't seen that one either. 

Real Theo Harvey: Okay. Yeah. I just listened. One is not really a trailer. It's a bunch of things in there, but you can watch it.

Mr.Benja: I don't know. Yeah, I'm not 

Real Theo Harvey: ready. 

Mr.Benja: Oh, that's the that's the one James recommended. I haven't watched, have you watched these? I haven't watched it. 

Real Theo Harvey: No, I haven't watched it either, but we can watch that one too. Okay, let's start out with the big one. Yeah, hold on, let me pull all these up so we can have them ready to go.

This is a commercial. One of them, I can tell already. But we can go through that. What made you want to watch that one with Tom Holland? 

Mr.Benja: Oh because I don't know, I saw it in Target and this big display and I'm like, man, I'm here for some chips and nachos and and whatever. I'm not looking out for Tom Holland, but.

Real Theo Harvey: Let's do it. It's only 23 seconds. So you want to do our first commercial trailer? 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, let's start with the big one. All right. So which one? In order, we'll do them in order. Okay. 

Real Theo Harvey: Okay, 

Mr.Benja: so up first for this week's trailer reactions on show versus business is the fantastic four first steps This is our official teaser that we just got from Marvel.

Some of you probably saw it over the week We're just now gonna react to it for the first time Theo. What are you expecting here? What do you think? 

Real Theo Harvey: A lot of retro stuff. I didn't watch it, so I was tempted though, but I did not watch it yet. So I waited. Matter of fact, I was trying to get you to watch it with me early.

I was like, let's watch it early. So guys, I have not watched it. Yeah. I have not watched it, but a lot of retro stuff. I just hope Mr. Thing doesn't look cheap. That can look cheap if it's. CGI, or if it's too much practical effects, but the rumblings I'm hearing was, it was pretty decent, but I don't know.

We'll see. I'm curious. What about you? What are you, what's your expectations going in? 

Mr.Benja: I'm keeping my expectations at whatever, I don't know what's going on with any of these people in the, that the cast, their actors in their lives, I haven't heard too much about it. So I kept my head down on this one.

I just know this is a, This is highly, I don't want to say anticipated, but it's important for the MCU franchise and I come in, I come into these with an open mind regardless of what appears in the comments, I do come at these with an open mind. We'll watch the trailer, and then we'll talk about it a little at the end.

All right. 

Real Theo Harvey: Sounds good. 

Mr.Benja: All right. Let me queue this up. Get my screen ready. This is the Fantastic Four First Steps official trailer by Marvel Entertainment. And we're starting in three, two, one, play.

All right. That was the Fantastic Four First Steps official teaser. 

Real Theo Harvey: I should have put prop bed up for. How many times are you going to say family? 

Mr.Benja: Family. They did say family quite a bit in there. It's a, it's got a, it's definitely, okay. I like that they're going with the retro feel. I like the styling.

It took me a second to kind of embrace. Because I guess I've been thinking about Dr. Doom because of Fantastic Four and just recently all the Dr. Doom talk with Tony Starks and Tony Stark and what they're doing with Rob Downey Jr. Has me thinking of a different version of Dr. Doom. So I had to switch my brain over a little bit to get retro again.

And I'm, I think I'm digging it. I don't know enough. It did. It did do its job of being a teaser. It's got me interested. 

Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, good point. Yeah, at first I saw it was, okay, this is very Jetsons. George Jetson guys don't see it. Go watch it. Classic. That's what we thought the future is going to look like guys in the eighties and seventies.

Really that came out in the sixties. I want to say that cartoon, but you and I watched it in the eighties, but here we are in the future. It looks nothing like the Jetsons, but I digress. But yeah, it was so that's the first thing I saw, which, okay. Yeah. Let's connect it there. The retro feel.

Okay. So you saw how they spent a lot of time with the thing been and they want you to show you. Okay, this Do you, this is what it's going to look like. So get used to it. Cause that, I knew that was going to be the biggest thing. So it's funny what they will show what they won't show.

So I think they like, Hey, we just got to get you prepared. This is what it looks like. So if you hate it, you're going to let us know right away. Or you just like air, you love it. They will know. What the Sonic the Hedgehog, right? They had a whole extended view of what Sonic looked like.

People hated it. Go back to the drawing board.

Mr.Benja: Change it. Hey, and conspicuously absent was. Mr. Fantastic's powers. Yeah, good point. Yeah, they 

Real Theo Harvey: showed everybody else's you're right 

Mr.Benja: after Hey, I'm saying after one piece came out. I'm pretty sure they were like, All right, we got tighten up the graphics on level. 

Real Theo Harvey: Oh Interesting. You're right.

Good point. Yeah, cuz that yeah, but then again, they're a little bit The tone is a little bit more goofier. You can get away with some of those powers So now how do you gonna do that to make it look interesting, but yeah, you're right. We didn't see that. As a, 

Mr.Benja: as I said before, I can't tell from the teaser, but All they have to do is not be worse or be better than the Incredibles, which is the previous best Fantastic Four movie ever.

Real Theo Harvey: I don't think they can, man. The Incredibles was pretty good. 

Mr.Benja: This is interesting. 

Real Theo Harvey: This is tough. It's tough. Retro feel. Got it. The family, the familiness of it all right. I think how do that's gonna be the key. How do you sell that kind of storytelling and make that, realistic?

I did like the shot of Johnny flying and, him in the air, just floating there in space. Almost. That was cool. Where's yeah, you're right. We saw everybody's powers. They did a lot of visible girl or visible woman they showed a lot of her powers, which I figured that's probably easy to do.

It's just, some CGI bubble and she's invisible. She's not there. The actress is not there no longer. So she's right next to you. Don't you see her? The 

Mr.Benja: coffee is drinking itself. Oh my goodness.

None: She's sitting next to me.

Real Theo Harvey: Anyway but anyway, the big reveal obviously was Galactus, right? At the end with the horns coming out of the, coming for the island of, New York, Manhattan. And sure. Let's go for it. 

Mr.Benja: I like how you just said sure. Anytime you say sure like that, it cracks me up inside.

But so the Marvel fanboys, I haven't checked the comments at all. I keep dark, myself in the dark about some of these until I watch them like I did right here. And his head being like, he's bigger than that. He's, it doesn't make sense how big he is in the comics. So they're shrinking him down a bit.

It seems. I 

Real Theo Harvey: thought I thought he I think they resized them, right? So it can make sense where he actually goes into a bigger machine, right? To actually eat the planet. So he's big. 

Mr.Benja: You mean the Tatu, the spaceship? 

Real Theo Harvey: Yes. Okay. So he could be smaller where he can show up on a planet and look around, talk to people, but he's okay.

Deuces. I'm about to eat your planet. Let me go to my spaceship and then he gets in that spaceship and that thing starts munching. So I'm fine with that. I'm not too worried about that. 

Mr.Benja: Wait 

Real Theo Harvey: a 

Mr.Benja: minute. Okay. A comic book resource that says officially Galactus is 28 feet 9 inches. Get out of here.

Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, 

It 

Mr.Benja: says, however, this is wildly varying and in its variability opens the doors to the character's true potential and all he's accomplished. So blah, blah, blah. Okay. That seems smaller than, Oh, okay. I'd heard of this theory is that he can change his height, but. I never really followed Galactus enough to know that he could change his height.

Real Theo Harvey: Let's be honest. He's supposed to be like a force of nature. So it's hard to put a character on the force of nature. So it's that's why we don't, what's his backstory? He grew up in the hard streets of Africatory.

One 

None: day I will be the biggest. 

Mr.Benja: So yeah, put your all 

Real Theo Harvey: around. 

Mr.Benja: All I did was search Galactus and one of these links that they decide that I needed to see was, why is Galactus so small? And the MCU is fantastic for, listen, I don't bring up these things to nitpick and call them wrong or bad or good or whatever.

I'm just pointing them out because they're creative. To see decision that somebody made hey. Let's make him accessible or hey, let's make him otherworldly it because the Eternals have already shown that there are characters much larger, right? We've got the body of one hanging out in the ocean somewhere.

Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, exactly inside our core of the planet, so 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, 

Real Theo Harvey: I'm not it's just interesting. 

Mr.Benja: We'll see. 

Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, I know we're kinda splitting hairs a little bit 'cause that's what, , MCU nerd do. But let's see. I'm trying to think. Did we see anything that was interesting?

I'm looking at who's in here. It's, yeah. Pedro Pascal, I don't know. He's not giving me Reid Richards. I don't know, maybe I'm just used to, somebody maybe a little taller a little bit nerdier, and Pedro is a great actor. Don't get me wrong. But I'm not seeing that yet with him Sue.

Yeah, sure. She's very pretty, but don't really get, I don't get, I don't have a sense of what Sue is about. I definitely think this guy, Joseph Quinn could be Johnny Storm. Cause if, did you remember him, he was in Stranger Things. You remember, did you watch that the last season of Stranger Things?

Last 

Mr.Benja: season? No. 

Real Theo Harvey: Okay, yeah he came in as a firebrand. He made, he instantly made himself felt and he was so if you've seen him in that, you're like, okay, I see why they cast him as Johnny Storm and the other guy, he is in the the show you watch now based on what I told you the bear.

Yeah, that's yeah. Cousin. 

Mr.Benja: No, I think he makes a good good Ben Grimm. 

Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah. So anyway we'll see. Where do you re rank this? I think we're both cautiously. I'm cautiously optimistic. I think you're interesting, intrigue, interesting, intrigued.

Mr.Benja: Yeah. Somebody yeah, we'll get to that later, but yeah, I am intrigued about this. It should be interesting. As I said, I keep my mind open for all these things, even though I do look for certain creative choices. What I try to do, is prepare myself for what the movie is going to be, not what I expect it to be.

So when I notice they do something like, oh, okay, they're making him a little less grand in size. Which means he's a little more approachable. Same thing they did with Thanos. Same thing they did with Hulk. They nerf them down a little bit to make it a little more approachable and sensible.

Real Theo Harvey: Nerf them down. I love that. Make a nerf version of Galactus. Yep. You can throw him around the house. Wee!

All right. Do we want to get to the next one? 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, let's what's the next one I got queued up here. All right. So this is one that our producer James sent over. 

Netflix 2025: Upcoming Shows and Movies

Mr.Benja: We have a trailer, a Netflix trailer. You're not ready. Next on Netflix in 2025. This is three minutes long and I'm supposing it's just going to go through a bunch of Netflix trailers.

I don't know if you've watched these for any other years, Theo. 

Real Theo Harvey: I have not. No, 

Mr.Benja: I don't attend to them. Or anything like that. So I don't know what Netflix has got going on, but this should be good. We can give a quick rundown of what we like about it. What we don't what we're hyped about and what we're not, we don't like before we watch the actual things we don't dislike before we've watched the actual product.

We're just talking about the trailer here. Exactly. We are professional haters, but not right now. I 

None: hate, 

Mr.Benja: I got a 

None: PhD in hate. 

Mr.Benja: I drank two cups of haterade this morning. What makes you think I ain't gonna hate on you? I'll putt with hate. Jokes, man. Jokes. Calm down. All right. Let's see how this one goes.

You're not ready. Next on Netflix, 2025 in three, two, one. Play

right there

None: All right, I Wasn't ready. 

Real Theo Harvey: I you know, I'm gonna know I know a little bit about some of those all those coming out But yeah, Netflix I guess they got some hits. Some, a lot of this is, other, the only new IP I saw was that's really top notch or up there is stranger things and squid game everything else.

Wednesday, I guess that could but it's based on something else. Emily in Paris, that, that was the one in France, that's So people like that one the reality show that they have is top notch. Me and the missus watched that love is blind. I don't know if you remember that was the one where the little, she came out and ran to the guy, 

None: she slid under him 

Real Theo Harvey: as a reality show.

Yeah, that's definitely top notch. That's yeah, that, that show is going to go on forever. It's a great premise. But yeah, I think the other witcher, I don't know people talking about that anymore. 

Mr.Benja: The Cobra Kai, definitely 

Real Theo Harvey: Cobra Kai. Yeah. Cobra Kai is almost over and which is almost over and squid game was almost over.

So it's and stranger things. So four of those are going to be gone after this year. So 

Mr.Benja: I'm surprised they threw Borderland. 

Real Theo Harvey: I wonder if those are coming. I saw Frankenstein in there too. So maybe they have, 

Mr.Benja: I guess you haven't seen it. 

Real Theo Harvey: No, I haven't. No, 

Mr.Benja: It's a Korean. It's a it's, I don't even know what to categorize these Korean shows as, but squid game falls under that same umbrella. So it's like a dark, gritty kind of survival, something, It's not structured like squid game, but it's a dark, gritty Korean style of whatever the show is survival.

Real Theo Harvey: Yeah, that's what people, yeah, I think yeah, I was going to check that out. One of obviously, look, I don't know the young lady's nationality, but, they're going for more of that Asian influence, right? With Netflix, right? So it made sense to choose that avatar for these different shows.

Yeah, they have a broke down here. All the shows that were featured stranger things, squid game. Love is blind, black mirror. So that was when she was in the elevator. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. We don't talk, man, black mirror. I don't know if they can emulate reality anymore, man. We, everything they talked about is here now.

Think about it. All that. Yeah. It's dude, I don't know what you're going to make fun of anymore. Yes, AI is here now. But anyway we'll discuss that Wednesday. Of course, Alison borderland, you call it that Cobra Kai, Emily in Paris. Oh, wake up dead, man. Okay. Now, Knives Out is gonna come back out.

I don't know. Did you watch any of those? The Knives Out movies? 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. I watched the first one and I wasn't mad at it. I was just like, that's what you're doing with the mystery. Okay. And I assume some of that was my distrust of what Rian Johnson likes to do. No, it's just a stylistic thing. So stylistically I'm hating on Rian Johnson now.

Real Theo Harvey: He is hating on him hating on Allah and I don't care what he did man what he did with was it Not the last guy. What was the second one called again? Not, it was a lesson. It wasn't the last Jedi. 

Mr.Benja: What was it called? The last Jedi. 

Real Theo Harvey: It was called the last Jedi. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. 

Real Theo Harvey: Okay. So I, even though Skywalker is my favorite character of all time, I still thought it was great.

So I don't hate on it, but anyway, I digress. Vinny jr. I don't know what that is. Documentary troll too. That was that creature standing up. Witcher season four, the electric state. So that's the one with Chris Pratt in it. And Millie Bobby Brown from stranger things they're doing. It's about some robots that, live it's based on a book.

And then happy Gilmore. Interesting. No, WWE was featured in that. They could have done some of that, but yeah, but yeah, I, yeah, I guess 

Mr.Benja: it reminded me of those old. You had, you didn't have very many of these, but you had a few NBC commercials where they would get an ensemble group together where, you'd have.

Frasier and, the guys from Cheers and somebody else would show up and it's like all these people from all these different shows and it's Hey, it's not about one show. It's about NBC. Watch our network. So that's the kind of vibes I got from this. 

Real Theo Harvey: Good point. Yeah, they're taking it back, man.

But. The challenge with that, they didn't get any other cast from any of these shows appear at least once. You would think they would, they're paying them enough, I'm sure, but 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, which is another point. Are people as interested in cast members anymore, or is it just this, 

Real Theo Harvey: I can absolutely tell Wednesday.

Jenny Ortega made that show, right? Title character. That's it. Stranger Things. You're right. It's more of an ensemble show and, different people come in, even though Millie Bobby Brown is the one that's running that. But yeah, good point. I don't know, man. It's Let's see.

Yeah, you're right. Most of these Copacabana. It's a sample show mostly. And then Witcher, that's almost over. Are people running to go see the third? Hemsworth brother show up. Sure. After Henry Cavill gave it up. I don't know. I saw the first season. I dropped out after that. Did you keep watching the Witcher?

Mr.Benja: No, I didn't. The Witcher style wasn't my thing. So I just said. Like it, you like it keep going about your thing. How do you get far enough into it to get into that answer? Really? 

Real Theo Harvey: They were trying to be cute with the first season. It was based on some time, jump, jump crap. And it was like, the girl was in a shorter timeframe, the little young girl, and then the Hindu cowboy character had a longer timeframe.

And then a witch, the older witch, she was, she's been there the longest. But it wasn't clear right what time frame you were in so it was just like all compacted together, which made no sense So they didn't explain it. But anyway, so I dropped out after the first season, but Okay. Yeah. So anyway, are we excited about what's next?

None: Netflix 

Real Theo Harvey: man, you know if it's not one of these shows a pop up It'll be some other show that no one's all coming. That's how it works. 

Mr.Benja: Yes Okay. So we can skip this last one, which is stupid. And we can talk about last week's responses or we can do the stupid one and kind of, 

Real Theo Harvey: no, let me talk about last week's responses.

Okay. 

Mr.Benja: We were going to review the trailer from Tom Holland, but we will not. All right. 

Viewer Comments and Final Thoughts

Mr.Benja: I want to thank everybody for reviewing and checking out the responses for having responses and comments to what we put out there and. I want to thank Chance757 from our Sinners trailer, she commented we were saying that we weren't sure how much the trailer was showing, what it, how many story elements it was giving out, and we actually gave Coogler props, we're like, hey, this guy's smart and knows what he's talking about, but she actually referenced the fact that they did a talk with him, and he said he showed exactly what he wanted to show in the trailer, and As I said, he's a smart guy and knows really how to put these films together.

We said the same thing about Black Panther, and we mentioned this in the trailer reaction. If you haven't seen that, go check it out. But she mentioned Coogler's very smart. I trust that he showed us all he did in these trailers for a reason. I feel this is, there's definitely, this will definitely be more complicated than you guys gathered from this trailer.

Then again, though, I love long trailers that have a lot in them. Makes the wait. For the movie, a lot less, a little less painful. I'll be grabbing my opening night tickets for the moment they go on sale. Props. Definitely. Yeah. I like Googler. I'm sure it'll be fine. I think people were just getting tripped out in the fact that I said that we were curious if it released too much information or if we wanted that to be held back.

Real Theo Harvey: It was very predictable trailer. Let's be honest, like who the videos were going to be. We saw that coming and we predicted about the brother. Let's be honest. And so when we, and that, that was in, in res and media res, right? While we were watching it, we were oh, this was going to happen next.

So that's when, it's okay, but I agree. I. And Coogler, I trust, I'm sure he's a smarter filmmaker than that to just review it, reveal all the hidden twists and ups and downs of the show, right? 

None: Yeah, 

Real Theo Harvey: maybe his brother was always a vampire. We just, it doesn't show up to the end, right?

He's the true villain, right? Yeah, 

Mr.Benja: there are a lot of, there are a lot of ways this can go. And honestly, predictable does not necessarily mean bad. 

None: Yeah. 

Mr.Benja: Although predictable can be bad because, you told the story in your head and it's Oh, I paid all this money just to see a story that was already in my head, I've watched a lot of, we watched a lot of the hero movies.

Hero movies are generally predictable. Horror movies. A lot of times pretty predictable. So I wasn't saying anything bad about it, but But yeah, 

Real Theo Harvey: don't nobody talk bad about Ryan Kugler. No, cool. Go back. Don't be talking about no Ryan Kugler. Go check out a living color guys. Oh, reference.

Mr.Benja: Yeah. And I think we got a And just in time for Black History Month, I think we got a racist comment maybe here. User says, I find it really interesting that spectators think they know what a film is going to do, which shows absolutely no respect for the director. It's amazing how many Americans, and Black Americans, think they know when they don't know.

They're guessing. Yeah, I'm guessing it's a trailer. It's a teaser. Of course, I'm guessing. I don't know what's going on, but I'm just saying it felt like a lot of the movie. That was my feelings that I don't know. 

Real Theo Harvey: Hey, you know what I think? 

Mr.Benja: I think it's amazing how many YouTube commenters think they know what the YouTuber is saying when they don't know.

And they're guessing, 

Real Theo Harvey: You know what? I don't, me, I don't even read the comments. I just keep it moving. I get it, but I, when you put in, you guys, it's, And behind your statement to emphasize a special group, you might got a smidgen or something in you, right? That differentiates people.

So 

Mr.Benja: this could be a, a black person in Spain and maybe that's why they pointed it out. I don't know. Oh, 

Real Theo Harvey: yeah. Americans. Yeah. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. Yeah. 

Real Theo Harvey: We didn't talk about it. We got an African American running the government right now. 

None: True. True. True. 

Real Theo Harvey: Go after, it's not just black Americans.

It's African Americans. They out here in these streets, y'all. Yeah.

Thank you for the comment Twitter twice. We'll take it in in stride. Can we call you, can we call you X2? X going to give it to you. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. Oh yeah. Flame us in the comments. We're just. We're usually doing this, just having fun. We are not upset by any of these comments. And we don't take it too seriously, but no, we're not we actually absolutely do respect Ryan Coogler and all that he's done.

Even back from Fruitvale station. We were talking about that long time ago. Oh yeah. So great guy. Great guy. 

Yeah, 

Real Theo Harvey: I would love to meet her one day. Just say, man, love your stuff. Oh yeah. You for real. He got that Oakland accent. I might start getting to the Oakland accent. Yo, for real. Yo.

Hyphy. Yeah. Yo, I might just start pulling out my, yeah, the Bay area. So anyway yeah, man, Mr. Benjamin, anything else going on this week for you? Oh man. 

Mr.Benja: Just same thing, man. Head down, doing my thing. Doing more of the reflecting, really tuning into that and realizing how much it can change my trajectory.

So I'm in on that 20, 80 all the way. 

Real Theo Harvey: Yeah. 20, 80. I love it, man. Man, just been off the sales team and I'm getting deep into the numbers. I'm super hype, man. I found this one guy, he's Katie. He's a sales guru, man. He's going in deep on all the numbers that you need to do for sales.

I'm like, okay, I can do this, man. I'm, yeah, I'm trying to get into this, man. It's something powerful. And then I think I also signed up for a this guy I knew in high school. He's like a big time speaker. Now he He gave the opening speech to T. D. Jakes. He's been around. He knows all the gurus.

He hung with them back in the day, like less miles. He's here in Tampa. Didn't know it big time now. And I signed up for his course that maybe start in june. So to work on my speech giving capabilities. So yeah, man, stuff like that. Yeah, I'm super excited about what 2025 what's next for the real Theo Harbin 2025.

I got a teaser trailer coming out. 

Mr.Benja: I'm a I'm gonna thank, I'm gonna have absolutely no respect for whoever directs your teaser trailer, and I'm gonna assume I know what's coming in your teaser trailer. 

Real Theo Harvey: Please do, and I'm gonna flame your ass too. Flame! 

Mr.Benja: But as Chance757 said, I'm sure it'll be much more complicated than I gather from the trailer.

You are much more complicated than anyone can gather from these videos. 

Real Theo Harvey: Oh, said Mr. Benja. I will say everyone look, hope you enjoy this episode. Please like subscribe and comment at show versus business on X threads, YouTube, and Instagram. Let's just that Spotify, iTunes, wherever you listen to podcasts.

Go check us out on our website, show versus business. Hey, Mr. Benja, have a great one. Peace.