SvB E205 The Black History Halftime Show (Kendrick, AI, How to Train Your Dragon, Thunderbolts*)

Theo and Mr.Benja does an in-depth analysis on Kendrick Lamar’s Super Bowl halftime show which sparked major debates on symbolism, culture, and controversy.

We break down the performance, its hidden messages, the Drake diss, and the reactions.
Plus, a deep dive into Thunderbolts and How to Train Your Dragon trailers, AI advancements, and pop culture shifts.

Is this the boldest halftime show ever?

00:00 Introduction and Weekly Catch-Up
00:48 LA Weather and Driving Woes
01:49 Valentine's Day Recap
02:25 Movie Review: Captain America: Brave New World
04:17 Black History Month Reflections
12:26 AI and Its Impacts
26:09 Super Bowl Halftime Show Analysis
41:32 Analyzing Art and Symbolism
44:11 The Buick GNX and Subtle Messages
45:35 The Palestinian Flag Incident
47:56 Kendrick Lamar's R&B Segment
48:42 The Drake Diss and Its Impact
52:29 Fashion Statements and Symbolism
55:24 Addressing the Haters
01:06:23 Trailer Time: How to Train Your Dragon
01:14:45 Trailer Time: Marvel's Thunderbolts
01:23:04 Final Thoughts and Sign-Off

YouTube link to this Podcast Episode:
https://youtu.be/4KId4a0F9j4

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SvB E205

Introduction and Show Overview

Theo Harvey: Hey everyone. Welcome. Once again, the show versus business. This is your host, the real Theo Harvey and Mr. Benja. We really got into it this one. Oh, they're not like us, Mr. Benja. 

Super Bowl Halftime Show Deep Dive

Theo Harvey: The halftime show that the world was talking about Super Bowl this past weekend, we went deep. Deep into it. Super excited about that.

Mr. Benjamin, what are your thoughts about what we talked about when it came to the halftime show? What are some of the areas that people need to be aware of? 

Mr.Benja: Uh, it was good, man. You know, we, we started out talking about little AI and we're like, don't worry, we have time to talk about Kendrick. And then we went in and it went long because it just got so good.

So, you know, just jumping into all the different pieces of it, the music, the styling, the clothes, the symbolism. Um, how people liked it, how people didn't like it, um, Drake fallout. So it's been a whole week of just basically reviewing this thing. So, you know, we were like, let's go straight back into it.

There's enough meat here for days. 

Theo Harvey: Absolutely. Absolutely. And of course we do our trailer breakdown, everyone. [00:01:00] So if you want to check those out, just go ahead and click on that link below in our chapter notes, and you can go see that directly Thunderbolts. And how to train your drag and go check that out.

But as always, like I said, please like subscribe, give us comments. We always give you guys shout outs in the comments. Hope you guys like this latest episode. Ready to begin right now. This is show versus business where pop culture meets pop money with your host, the real Theo Harvey and Mr. Benja. So Mr.

Weekly Catch-Up and Personal Stories

Theo Harvey: Benja, how was your week? 

Mr.Benja: Week was wonderful, man. Uh, lot of rain. Lot of, uh, good times. And, you see, I got the rainbow right here. Um, I saw the most perfect rainbow in my life out here after all this L. A. rain. Which is great after all the L. A. fires. So, you know, I'm just, I'm just feeling good. It's Black History Month, so you see, I got all the people from the cookout here.

And right there, you know, old girl with the, uh, AI mouth in the AI face [00:02:00] here. They're not feeling good in the picture, but you know, they, they're happy. So it's good. I'm good, man. 

Theo Harvey: That's good, man. That's good. Good. Good. Yeah. I saw it about the LA rain. What was like, they call it the atmospheric river or something like that.

You know, the names they come up with. 

Mr.Benja: So, 

Theo Harvey: uh, how's that dealing with all the, the suit and all that stuff when the fires, everybody's okay. Is it kind of making it worse out there? 

Mr.Benja: Um, well, you know, L. A. People can't drive in general. So anytime this happens, you always hear about, you know, people trying to stay off the road or they ran into a mailbox or light post or something like that.

Silly stuff like that is happening. But for the most part, you know, people welcome the rain. The L. A. River filled up and all these discussions about how to best handle the river and the water supply. All those discussions come up every time it rains. Mhm. Um, so, you know, it's, these are good discussions to have, like, what do we do with this water as opposed to, Oh [00:03:00] my God, we have no water.

So in the end, you know, we kind of like, Oh man, it's raining, but we're happy for it. So everybody's spirits are up. 

Theo Harvey: Good, good, good. I know it was, uh, as we're recording this day after Valentine's day. So it may have been some people sad, you know, had to stay indoors for the rain, but it's all good. 

Mr.Benja: I had a picnic on the grass and, and my leg got soggy.

Theo Harvey: Yeah. So, uh, yeah, my valentine's day was a blur spending time with kids. Uh, so that, that was my valentine's day, uh, buying donuts for the, for the kids and the wife, a heart shaped donuts. Yeah, that was my valentine's day. So I think everybody had a good time except for me. I was tired, but yeah, man, uh, let's see.

My week was interesting. 

Movie Reviews and Pop Culture Commentary

Theo Harvey: I Also known as Captain American Brave New World. Uh, the family and I went to go see a Thursday night. You know, I can't, I gotta go see these movies night of just so I don't run [00:04:00] into spoiler territory. So I don't know, you haven't watched it yet, have you? I've not seen it. Yeah, so Yeah, we'll do some non spoiler stuff maybe we'll do come back around to it high level I would say it was mid I'm just gonna be honest with me.

So out of you know 10 I would say it's like about 6 because I appreciate the effort I saw what they were trying to do but it looks like they were trying to make it a sequel for a movie that for a sequel and Uh, and a follow up to movies, two movies that no one cared about. So the original MCU Hulk is basically a sequel for that.

You know, that's not a spoiler. We already know the red Hulk appears. Um, so there it is. So there's a lot of references to that. Movie that was before that was when Ed Norton was in it, right before they got the new actor. Um, uh, uh, Ruffalo Ruffalo, uh, to join in. So this was when they had Ed [00:05:00] Norton. Um, it was incredible Hulk.

And that was like, what? That was back in phase one. I think that Hulk was, wasn't that the second one? So they did a, basically a sequel to that movie and a followup to the internals. 

Mr.Benja: Right, right, right. 

Theo Harvey: So it's like, what are we doing here? But I appreciate. You know, Mackie doing the best he could with what he had, you know, but obviously the fandom out there is saying things like not my Captain America and that kind of crap because they've been emboldened in this new era of anti DEI, I guess.

But, uh, 

Black History Month Reflections

Trailer: you know, it's, uh, American history month, American history month, 

Theo Harvey: all history matters. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, man. Really quick on that point. I actually was wondering, it's like. Well, hey, is there a, you know, what, what about this white history thing? I just wanted to do my due diligence and see what people were talking [00:06:00] about, man.

There's like an Irish month. There's a, you know, fishermen's month. There's all these months. And it's like, Nobody should feel left out about having one. They're just not like popularized. So I'm like, Hey man, you know, free, free country. Go, go popularize your month. If you want to celebrate all you can. Yeah.

Cause we going to be at the cookout. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, this is just our lips all sprayed across the 

Mr.Benja: That's an AI lip reference, by the way, Theo thought this guy was mad funny. 

Theo Harvey: Well, that, that, that shows you another thing. The bias that's in AI, right? They can't get black lips, right? So that's a whole nother thing.

Not enough inputs from the internet, I guess. But anyway, I digress. Yeah, man, I get where they're going with it. Isaiah Bradley, you know, do I look like an old man to you? Showed up. [00:07:00] He was probably the best part of the movie for me, man, that, that old, the old black man vibe that he brings to everything. Just like, I'm tired of this.

I'm tired of this. That, that was hilarious. Every time he showed up, I was, I was there for it. So, so, uh, yeah, man, this, I see why it kind of got mid reviews. And then obviously there's this This campaign, that's just anything that's non, that's trying to promote other, you know, it's really, it seems like they're really going after mostly, um, you know, women, you know, uh, black folks and maybe trans folks.

Those are kind of folks that are the real target of these DEI campaigns. That's, that's just what I'm seeing. The anti DEI campaign. Yeah. The anti DEI. Yeah. Thank you. The anti DEI campaigns, you know? Yeah. Anyone else that's, you know, I don't really hear a lot about gay men, you know. Gay white men. Really? I don't hear a lot about, you know, Latinos is just really about just, you know, those three kind of groups.

So anyway, I digress. But like I said, I thought was made. It could be a lot [00:08:00] better, but maybe we'll do a deeper dive into it. Or maybe people don't care anymore. Cause it's over, but I have a feeling, you know what I'll think anything else is coming out for the next couple of weeks. So it's still, I think it'll be a number one movie.

Obviously it's a Marvel movie, so people just going to come on GP, but, uh, it still might be, it still might hit some numbers because I don't think a lot's coming out right now. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. And I didn't, uh, I didn't check it out. I, I, I will, it just wasn't on my mind and it kind of like, Oh yeah, that happened. Um.

But I did check out the Madam C. J. Walker story, Self Made, on Netflix. And, uh, I hadn't seen that before, and it's actually a pretty decent telling of that story, as I can tell so far. So, have you seen it? 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah. I think that came out like during the pandemic or before, but yeah, we, it's been out for a minute.

So welcome to 19, 2018, Mr. Benjamin, but no, um, Black history 

Mr.Benja: is eternal Theo. All right. We're going to stick with it. 

Theo Harvey: But yeah. Awesome [00:09:00] movie, man, about just knowing your audience. I mean, from a business standpoint and trying to position yourself and, uh, yeah, I was, I was really impressed with it. Uh, I'm glad we got movies like that now that there's.

Other menus to kind of get stories that we never covered, uh, in history. And so I'm curious about more stories like that coming to fort. What did you like about it? Would you like about it? Would you just because it's 

Mr.Benja: mostly it didn't fall in the, the preachy vibe, you know, it just portrayed the history and you're like, okay, cool.

And it didn't fall into the. Motorcycle gang vibe. I'm sorry. That was a distraction. Yeah motorcycle in the background. Uh, it didn't fall into the uh, you know, let's try to be really overly hip and You know do a lot of strange things that just take away from the core of the story. So Which is what happens with a lot of?

A lot of, uh, black history, I think, where you get this, you know, Hey, kids, just real important now, [00:10:00] you know, everybody gets bored and falls asleep. And then there's the, you know, Hey, let's throw in some, you know, DJ quick. And I'm like, what are you doing? What are you, what are you doing? It's just, you can't have.

Uh, you know, our black leaders dance not to DJ quick for no good reason. Um, but no, it, it played, it played out well and, and I appreciate that 

Theo Harvey: message. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. 

Theo Harvey: Um, uh, yeah, man. So I'm glad that's good, man. I think you, uh, that's good. I should just watch black history. 

Mr.Benja: I don't know if I ever asked you this. Do you think there should be a black history month putting you on the spot?

I know. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Why not? I mean, I think it's, it's something, I mean, you know, the, the, always the joke is, yeah, they give us the smallest month in the, in the year, but I mean, there is something to, to, to kind of appreciate the contributions we've made to America, even though. the biggest contribution we really talked about, which is slavery, which, uh, the ability to have free labor.

I mean, from an economic standpoint, [00:11:00] that was really what built America, you know, because we would export tons and tons of things like cotton that really allowed us to kind of build up our economy and at a time where we needed it. 

Mr.Benja: And, uh, and, and, and the North, the North wasn't out of the. Out of the woods, either the, the amount of the amount of servitude, just like general servitude in the North was huge.

And it wasn't like. You know, cause like I'm in the north, I get paid lots of money because that's not, it was just slightly different. So it was a big economic battle and people were like, well, if it's economic, it's not really about racism. It's like, actually, if, if a whole group of people is considered property, then it is economic and social at the same time.

So absolutely GTFOH with that. 

Theo Harvey: Mr. Benja getting wrong black history. Um, yeah, man, I think, uh, this is, you know, people are like, oh, this is terrible. It's the darkest timeline, [00:12:00] you know, dealing with this. And it was not really, we always talk about it. We don't really get into politics, but you just look at.

American history is always filled with moments like this, where we take some steps forward and then we go all the way back, you know, the square one, it seems. And so, um, it's just, uh, lurching and going forward and going backwards. And so Uh, there's always been moments in history where we have seen that from America, this American experiment.

So it'll be interesting to see, you know, like I told my wife the other day, I like, you know, doing what happened during, uh, George Floyd in 2020, you know, we may have to wait another, maybe 15, 20 years. We'll have another moment like that. And then, you know, there may be another time to take advantage. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, The system is designed to defend itself. There you go, 

Theo Harvey: uh, yeah. 

Mr.Benja: Of course, and um, it always, it always amazes me how anytime something happens, all these processes show up that kind of want to keep things the same, but not have that one incident happen again [00:13:00] in that same way. So we can't get upset about it.

Theo Harvey: Damn, that's, that's really insightful, Mr. Benjamin. Oh, yeah. Bars. I like that. It's designed of event to change, but also to prevent that one incident to happen again. But then it still opens up to other instances that are related to the system, the systemic issue, right? The systemic issues never really resolved.

It's just kind of papered over. Right. And so, um, 

Mr.Benja: it's like. They frown upon chokeholds, then suddenly it's like, well just lay him on the ground and put your knee on his neck, and it's like And then it just becomes another thing right now. We have to wait for that big incident to happen, et cetera, et cetera.

So, 

Theo Harvey: yeah, interesting times. Um, no, man, thanks for sharing that. 

AI Innovations and Applications

Theo Harvey: Uh, I mean, well, I've been having fun with AI lately. Been playing around with it. I don't know if he records this last time, but I talked about how I'm using AI to kind of help understand how my [00:14:00] sales guys are talking to people and looking at the scripts and doing some analysis and get some insight on that.

And that's been helpful. Also, I kind of looking at how I'm communicating to people, making sure I'm Doing deep enough questioning and answering and things of that nature to potentials. So I'm, you know, loving it to kind of implemented income of our process and what we can learn how we communicate and stuff.

And I think that's been helpful. Um, so I've been kind of looking at other people, how they've been using a I, um. This young lady, I can't remember her name. She's a Wall Street Journal art tech writer. She used to be in the, um, before Kara Switzer became blew up, you know, she used to wa work for the, uh, uh, wa uh, uh, wall Street Journal.

I don't know if you knew that. Okay. Yeah. So she, yeah, so she used to be the tech beat writer, so the person that replaced her, I can't remember her name now, but, uh, she, she did a deep dive on how she's using ai. So she's been, you know, gave me some great ideas. Obviously the basics of just, you know, learning how to cook with it.

And she compared, you know, deep sea. Uh, Claude, um, by, uh, Anthropic and of course, Chad [00:15:00] GPT. And the consensus is that Claude is probably the best use one, right, right now, because of the way it, you know, it's very, it's very user friendly. You can create these projects where you can remember. Stuff. So I create a project where I'm trying to do analysis on a company and I just start putting a bunch of stuff in there and I can ask questions about it.

And it's giving me some insight on how best to look at this company. So I'm like, Hmm, I see why people like Claude, but then open AI is the one with all the innovation, right? They're the one you can get to the internet with. It's the one you can use operator, which allows, uh, it can go in your browser and editing.

Buy your plane tickets. I haven't played with that one yet. And then it's got this thing called deep research. We're supposed to give you a deep analysis of all of a, of a topic, right? Like a, like a 15, 20 page paper with sources and all that. So I'm going to play with that this weekend. So, yeah. Um, so yeah, that's kind of like my thing really trying to find like, okay, this stuff is moving so fast, like how people are going to use it.

And then if everybody's kind of using it, [00:16:00] what's the true moat, what's your differentiator? You know, is it how fast you can use it? Is it as a person 

Mr.Benja: or 

Theo Harvey: as a person? Yeah, as a person or as a company, right? What's your brand? How are you going to differentiate yourself when everybody has access to these powerful tools?

Is it just your creativity? Just like, just like anything and how you can master those tools to stand out from everyone else. So that's what I'm trying to figure out. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, I, I definitely, uh, have thought about that too. And, um, you know, as far as, you know, artists are concerned, it's like, You know, you're just based on the amount of data that's out there, all the artists who are trying to achieve a certain look like, Hey, we want this, you know, slightly realistic anime look with this type of shading and all that.

And there were just a bazillion of these. Artists out of Russia, Pakistan, Korea, United States, Mexico, Spain. And I'm calling these countries out because I know that they [00:17:00] were making all this type of art and you'd look it up and you'd see all these people from these different countries. And there was so much of it out there.

It looks so similar that when you ask AI to make an anime character, it's. Inherently going to look like one of those just because that's all it knows from all these different countries So if anybody has their own style out there and really starts making it a little different then Like it's it's kind of hard to see now just because it's it's so new to us You know, like we think of a halftime show, which we'll get to later and say oh, yeah Halftime shows look like this and then it's like no no Your halftime show is not like ours.

And 

Theo Harvey: yeah, 

Mr.Benja: exactly. It's like, Oh, okay. This is what a different type of halftime show could look like. And now people start thinking, huh, I didn't know that you could do that. I mean, you could have done that with AI. I mean, you could have made something different with AI if you really worked at it, but just your personality, where you're coming from your style.

[00:18:00] Um, that's still something you can build off of. Instead of trying to use a I to bring stuff in to create something using a I to take what you have and push it out. If that makes sense, 

Theo Harvey: it does. But it's like these tools are advancing so rapidly. It's just like trying to figure out how you can use it.

Because I mean, I'm seeing, I think. The differentiation may be like how you get AI to interact with other AI bots and, and, and do things separately from you. Right. I'm starting to see like, yeah, I can use it, you know, to make my individual work or my corporation work better. But can I get AI just to do stuff with other AI and then come, you know, create his own little side company?

Run it, run it to the ground and then figure out something for me. And, you know, like I said, I go always back to that, that, that great show. And I, I watched that episode. It was called, uh, the person of interest. I think I told you about that episode, uh, the show. And, uh, they had an episode where they did it from the computer's point of view and the slow down time, and you saw how it would look.

It looked at [00:19:00] different, looked at his past in real time, right? Looked at his past, like what it learned the A. I then looked at, like, you know, different scenarios of how they would figure out different pathways. It was hilarious because I think that's, you know, how I think about A. I is just like, you know, it's kind of like thinking of scenarios that can play out for us that will never.

You know, be able to comprehend and then come back with us with a solution. And now don't, don't get, see this, I'm gonna blow your mind. They're saying quantum computer is in reach within like two to three years. So imagine now on you, are you getting scenarios, you know, for this world, but you can get scenarios of infinite number of worlds that can come back to you in the instant that you didn't even think about.

And you're just like, Oh, so I'm just like, how is the human race going to, you know, Comprehend that level of power and capability to, to be successful. 

Mr.Benja: Well, you know, I think it's a, I, you know, we're talking about the branding thing, we mentioned that. [00:20:00] So. As, as things tend to, you know, advance quickly like this, the technologies, the output, the images, like we're all used to the phone with certain thing.

What tends to happen is people want with new technologies. People want support for their technology. So everybody starts to flow into the same silos. And this is the same. Tunnels of, of, of thought and patterns. So if you have a group of people who you've, who you've influenced to accept your humor in this certain way, or accept your art or creativity or your brand or whatever, in this certain way, the more you do that, the more strange it looks to everybody else.

So if you've ever seen a PewDiePie video, um, but if you've ever stopped and like jumped to PewDiePie, you're watching it, you're like. What in the world? How does this have 25 million views? This just doesn't make sense to me. And every one of his followers is [00:21:00] commenting almost in their own language. And they're referencing other shows.

And it's just at a point where you're like, Okay. This is PewDiePie's audience. I don't get it. Someone's listening to Kendrick Lamar, they're like, Okay, I don't get it. And, but you're okay with that because your community is backing you. And if they don't get it, then they don't get it. 

Theo Harvey: No, that's a good point.

I think it's about community building, which, you know, we're trying to do, quite frankly, on our show versus business. Go follow us. Uh, and comment below. But I think that is something that, you know, is going to become more and more important in this AI age, cause you're right. And then you can kind of create, uh, uh, simulations or, you know, or, or copies of kind of what you do, and then you can kind of, kind of build the audience based on that, right, because there's a core audience of what you do and you already know what your audience likes, and then you just kind of.

You just have to do more of it. So you can build at that specific audience over time. So yeah, I think [00:22:00] AI is going to create like these little, you already lived in a bubble world, right? With social media, but it's going to create more of a bubble where it's like, we will be talking different languages here in a second.

Yeah. It's like, I have no. Clue. You talk about generation to generation languages. I'm talking about, you know, uh, interest to interest language. Right. You know, some of the stuff we talk about when I talk to other people about that, the eyes glaze over and like, what are you talking about? Like we were watching a captain black American Falcon.

Trailer: Yeah. Yeah. 

Theo Harvey: And I was, you know, there was a lot of stuff in there. And so, you know, you know, me, I was like, well, you know, the red Hulk, he came out and then this is what happened. And this, and then what it was like. What 

Mr.Benja: she's relatively close to you in terms of like watching stuff and not knowing what to expect and seeing the same things.

Yeah. 

Theo Harvey: And I saw myself like, I'm getting way too deep into this thing. I couldn't help it, but anyway. So, yeah, man, I think it's going to be interesting world, brave new world. If I may, uh, of what's going to happen here [00:23:00] in the future. Um, yeah, man. So it's just, you know, kind of interesting. One thing I did want to say, uh, shout out to me, myself and I did a, uh, about 25 minute post on what's going on.

AI, uh, go check it out. The real deal, Harvey, uh, go check it out. But, uh, yeah, I think, um, I kind of did a overview of like what's happening with deep seek and then all the different things that's happening so fast. One of the things that, uh, we talked about was distillation with AI distillation, where you're basically training, uh, new models, awful, uh, more advanced models, a little bit faster with cheaper.

And I kind of did an analogy of how that works, you know, with the teacher model, uh, training the, the student model and all it's doing is using the same inputs and just finding out what the teacher did with their outputs. And just like, Oh, I just got to reverse engineer what they did. And so I kind of went into that.

And the reason I bring that up now is because so deep seek with their R1 model, they did it about a year with 5 million. Google researchers [00:24:00] recently trained, uh, open AI rival. And about half an hour for 50 bucks. So I'm just saying this is getting faster and faster. So, yes, you open AI has the most advanced model and all this other stuff.

But now you're seeing people like, OK, you know what? I don't need to know all this stuff. I just need to know what you know about health care. So I'm going to build a model and figure this out and have to, and like so cheap, so fast. And then now I have something, you know, comparable that I can put to market.

And so that's why I was asking you about moats because I don't think the technology is going to be a moat per se, because it's going to be quickly be able to be emulated. 

Mr.Benja: Right. And that's what a lot of these social networks are figuring out. It's like, Hey, we can do the technology. And it's like, so do you have these followers?

Are they willing to jump over to your platform? And we talked about this when we talked about meta, um, getting all the Instagram people over to, over to threads. 

Trailer: It's like, 

Mr.Benja: that's the only way it happens now. It's like, I got your audience and we're just going to [00:25:00] magically dump them over here and be like, what, what you got?

And 

Theo Harvey: go check out us your tech area. Talk about him. Said Ben Thompson. He talks about that a lot. We're like now that, um, that the technology we thought it was such a barrier because we got to get these, uh, cheap, more expensive Nvidia chips and all this other crap. And you got to build data centers. But now people will, Oh, This is not going to be the barrier to entry.

So now it's all about distribution, baby. And so if you have the social network and you have ways to get it out to people faster and cheaply, then guess what? You, you can win the AI race. So it's going to be interesting to see what happens. 

Mr.Benja: I actually want to look that up. Like, uh, what kind of moats? You know, can, can these companies create a, I think about Grand Theft Auto and it's like a lot of the moats they've created are just the development process and the connection to all the people that are involved in creating these games.

So it's 

Theo Harvey: like, yeah, you know what? They call it [00:26:00] the, um, uh, network advantage or that. Yeah. That's a specific one, right? What network effects, right? Where basically the, the, uh, the more people that come to a network, the more stronger it becomes, the better, you know, more likely they'll stay in the network, right?

That's how social media is blew up, right? You know, you don't, you don't want to leave. Facebook, because all your friends are there. So the more people that get added to Facebook, the more less likely you willing to leave. And so can you create network effects with the help of AI, right? And to your point, it's like a combination of, you know, building your audience up and then using AI to get in front of more people that likes the stuff you.

You like, I think, I think that's maybe the path. So you know what, that might be a project for AI. I'll put it in AI. I say, what moats can I create to help me win the AI race against chat GPT? I wonder if they're going to have, sir, can I answer this? 

Mr.Benja: Give me a step by step process first, go back to fam you.

And then during homecoming. What you do [00:27:00] is set up a barbecue stand. 

Theo Harvey: I have a snake, but you have a big ass snake around your neck. 

Mr.Benja: Not very many people are going to do this.

You're like, you're right 

Theo Harvey: for a reason. But yeah, man, so yeah, go check out, uh, the pod. I put, talked about the, uh, the AI race and what's happening, but yeah, man, phone AI. Um, speaking of fun, Mr. Benja, uh, real quick. Um, well. 

Super Bowl Halftime Show Analysis

Theo Harvey: You know, do you want to get into it, you know, talking about a little bit about the, um, the halftime show, uh, the Superbowl, um, did you, did you watch the whole Superbowl before we get into that?

I'm just curious. 

Mr.Benja: Hey man, it's about halfway through our recording here. So you know what? Let's do this. Get into the halftime thing. Yeah, man, I watched the halftime show. I watched the Superbowl. The actual Superbowl and I haven't done that in, oh my God, it's actually over a decade. I've watched that. I've watched the entire Superbowl and just, yeah, so [00:28:00] 

Theo Harvey: I'm sorry you saw that it was, it was a, it was one of the worst offerings that you wait a decade.

It's like, okay, we'll watch football again. This is terrible. It was not good. 

Mr.Benja: I was like, man, this is, this is sad. It's like, Oh, interception. Wow. I hadn't, uh, there we go. 

Theo Harvey: Did you watch the second half at all? You turned it off after that. Just curious. 

Mr.Benja: Uh, I kept it on, but I was, I was fading. Yeah. Yeah, man. It is.

Theo Harvey: He got so bad. He got sacked at least four times in a row. It was just like, Oh my goodness. I was looking for the mercy rule. You remember in a Rocky, Rocky four, he had the bloody towel. Don't tell it. Don't get off the field. I know, but yeah, we're talking about the halftime show. Kendrick Lamar, K Dot, Mr.

Benja. Um, wow. A lot to discuss here, man. Who knew that this would touch a nerve in so many [00:29:00] categories from race to music, to, uh, business, to fashion, even. I mean, it seems like this touched a nerve across the country. I mean, I mean, it kind of had to, because let's be honest, I think they say 125 million people watch the Superbowl.

That's like almost Yeah. Yeah. The biggest ever 300 million Americans over half of America, you know, has seen this probably more because that's single TV use. So yeah. So if you show up on halftime show, people gonna talk about it. So Mr. Benjamin, where do we want to start with this coverage here? 

Mr.Benja: Ooh, so much.

A big question right after you've watched it. What were your feelings, man? Did you like it? Did you hate it? Were you wondering? Were you curious? Were you surprised? What were your initial thoughts, man? Just, uh, did you like it? 

Theo Harvey: I thought he was going to go harder, man. I really did. I was open. I didn't read anything up to it, but after the fact, I saw people were asking that.

I mean, look, you know, I thought, you know, he, it, and Kendrick has been kind of, he's [00:30:00] recently been elevated to, you know, Monoculture status, right? People, all, all people love him now, but you know, for a long time he was kind of underground. He was like your rapper's favorite rapper, right? He was, that's that weird guy over there, but he, he, he, he's deep, right?

He got a Pulitzer. What's he get a Pulitzer Pulitzer, uh, prize. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So it's just like, who does that? Right. He's just out there and now he's. The culture, right? And so, but I thought that was still in him. He said, Hey, I got a chance to be here. It is my, I'm, I'm at April. Uh, I listened to bill Simmons.

He talks about what's apex mountain for a celebrity, right? This is his apex mountain, right? He's never gone. He may, but he may never get more popular than this. I does reveal his, his true colors, right? Which is I'm putting my fist up. I'm kneeling. I mean, some kind of feature of showing, Hey, he's, he's, he's ready for the revolution.

Yeah. Is that what you mean by 

Mr.Benja: going harder? 

Theo Harvey: Yeah, I didn't see that. I mean, you know, it was, we'll talk about it. I mean, yes, he did [00:31:00] some things that was a little subtle. I wanted the subtle to be more, um, you know, uh, not covert, but overt, right? Just really in my face. So you 

Mr.Benja: want, so you wanted the dancers to spell out message?

Theo Harvey: Yes.

I don't know something. Have Colin Kaepernick there? I don't know, man. It just. I mean, look, this is the opportunity just to be out there, man. Let's do it. Why not? Especially you. But I mean, I get what he was doing and we'll talk about it, but it was just very, even then they still hated him for it. So you might as well just be out there.

That's how I look at it. All right. 

Mr.Benja: All right. Um, I was more, uh, I liked it, but I was more like, uh, you know, have my hand on my chin. Interesting. Interesting. He did it this way. And I was just kind of like You know, wondering about the whole process [00:32:00] leading up to this, like, well, Hey, we got to have, and it's like, no, we're doing it this way because, you know, in history of halftime shows, a lot of it's been about spectacle.

So I think his biggest, biggest changeover was moving away from spectacle and like, I'm going to bring this down a notch and play it out in a certain way that's intentionally going to go against your expectations. It's like. You know, everybody's talking about, you know, the dancers, the, I went back and looked at all these, all these halftime shows and it's pretty formulaic, like, you know, dancing, um, some marching band kind of elements and then fireworks.

And I look at his and it's like a subversion and I talked to Andy about this all the time. Usually I hate subversion when people are trying to do something different for the sake of doing something different. So you know that they're doing something different. I usually get, get annoyed by that, but I'm like, I'm like, okay, this is where the fireworks usually go off.

And he just goes, bop, bop, bop, [00:33:00] bop. And the camera starts jumping around and a couple of lights flash. And I was like, That's it. That's it for the fireworks. 

Theo Harvey: Interesting point. Yeah. I mean, I heard that critique. I think Stephen A. Smith said that as like, there was enough spectacle. It's a super bowl. It was, they should be more right.

But again, to your point, I don't think that's who he is. And I think he was trying to stay true to that. All right. Um, a little bit as well without being, I mean, he's just a, a homie, little homie from Compton. Right. And so he's just trying to. Represent his block, but also he's now in the forefront of culture right now.

So, um, yeah, I get your point. So basically we both thought it was okay. 

Mr.Benja: No, let me, let me back up on that. Because in that interesting moment when I was like, interesting. I still think that's, that is the, I don't want to say best, but like most memorable, most powerful, uh, half time show that I think I've ever seen.

Like even the Michael [00:34:00] Jackson show, I've watched Michael Jackson so many times up to that point where I was like, okay, Michael Jackson doing his thing as far as flipping the script and me being proud of it and going, yeah, yeah, that's what you should have done. Kendrick takes the ball and runs with it.

Just, 

Theo Harvey: yeah, we were going to talk about it. Yeah, we're gonna talk about, okay, so, so you felt it's top, top five performance. Top 10 performance. Top what? Oh, stop. Mr. Benzo. Stop. Ben did see of the prince, uh, doing prop rain in the rain. Ooh. Yeah. . See in the slow down. Slow down in the rain.

Slow down, son. 

Mr.Benja: I did like the Janet Jackson show before it turned into the. Nipple gate and everybody forgets what it was about. Um, I did like Beyonce's show. Yeah. So, okay, I'm still a little too close to it. Yeah. So, it's, it's top five, but at the moment, top. 

Theo Harvey: [00:35:00] Ooh. No, no, no hesitation. No, we were talking about this, like, how's it compared to other ones and maybe we'll get into this now.

Yep. Prince, you know, purple rain. I mean, Michael Jackson, I mean, you know, it's just, he just wants all out. Obviously, uh, Beyonce, you know, I mean, matter of fact, I mean, someone made a good point. It's like they probably should have switched to shows her, her Christmas special, uh, for, for the halftime show for Houston game.

And on Christmas, that was bigger spectacle than this, right? With the horse, her coming out on the horse and, you know, all the dancers and, you know, all that. Um, he tried to do a little bit at the end with not like us. And we'll talk about that in a second. But, uh, I think, um, to me, I do feel like, you know, when I kind of looked at the reviews and stuff, I said, okay, I think maybe top 10.

Um, but I'd be honest with you. I don't think this was as good as the one they did two years. It was at two years ago where they had the, he showed up with the West coast. Melody, remember with G Funk? Everybody, I mean, that was awesome, man. That was great, because you didn't know it was going to show up. The excitement, and when they started playing those old [00:36:00] music, you got hyped.

Matter of fact, it was better than the one with Missy popped up on there. I can't remember who the white artist was, but Missy showed up, everybody was like, who's that artist? And they were hyped up about her, so. I'm like, you know, definitely better than The Weeknd, his one. I didn't know what that was about, but, uh, yeah, I think, um, yeah, it was, like I said, I think it was okay.

It wasn't the top, maybe the top 10, especially of the black artists I've seen. But, uh, yeah, so that's kind of my take on it. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, it might. Well, I'll, I'll have to come, I'll have to come back to it. Uh, but, but right now it's just, it's just resonating so hard because it did so many different things. Um, So many things differently and he turned me into a liker and appreciator of subversion 

Theo Harvey: Dang just a whole philosophy just changed watching that 

Mr.Benja: Did it right so now I'm gonna have to talk to Andy and he's gonna [00:37:00] 

Theo Harvey: He's gonna be like, yeah, I finally got you.

Mr.Benja: I've been telling you this for years, son. Subversion's great. 

Theo Harvey: I love it. I love it. Uh, what parts of this do we want to cover, man? So much, so many different angles on this one. Uh, let's hit the, 

Mr.Benja: uh, let's hit the half, the different portions of it. Let's just plow through those quickly and see what, see what we land on.

Uh, first off. Sam Jackson. I was happy to see him showing up in that suit and just the way he's talking noise. I got happy right off the bat. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah, I didn't notice I had to watch some analysis myself, but it sounds like there's a character called Uncle Sam and some of his, uh, Kendrick's, uh, music. And so it makes sense to kind of have a physical embodiment of America and how it's kind of evaluating him on this halftime show.

So, so that's why I say it's covert. It was like, okay, look, you know. Yeah, we're looking at you, nigga. You know, don't, don't, don't get above this line here, brother. You know, that's yeah, exactly. It's like, yeah, [00:38:00] that, that finger pointing at you. It's not, I want you. It's like, I'm watching you. And so, um, I think that was interesting.

That was very covert to say, Hey, you know, Uncle Sam is watching Kendrick's performance. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, it's funny. Sam Jackson is a funny character, how he represents this. how people think about him, how black America thinks about him and how white America thinks about him. That whole thing in there, too. And, uh, 

Theo Harvey: well, how does black?

What's the difference between black America and white America out of view? Sam Jackson. 

Mr.Benja: Well, we think of him more is like, yeah, he's that dude doing his thing as opposed to Oh, that's the guy that curses, you know, the curse and loud guy. And, you know, he'll show up and do a, do a children's book and curse all the lyrics out.

And everyone's like, ah, that's great. That's great. And that's funny. And it's like, yeah, but I'm, I'm deep too. And it's like, we don't want that deep stuff. And it's like, cool. I get it. In fact, speaking of activism, do you know that he, um, when he was younger [00:39:00] held Martin Luther King jr's father hostage? 

Theo Harvey: What?

Mr.Benja: Exactly. Exactly. 

Theo Harvey: Man, Mr. Benjamin, we got to go. What's that? A rocker roller. What's that? Uh, the podcast you, you sent me, we got to go deep in that one. Maybe we'll do it. 

Mr.Benja: So if you just, if always, you know, want to give you homework, search for yourself, just search for MLK Samuel Jackson hostage and look, uh, Samuel Jackson once held Martin Luther King Jr's father hostage before eventually lowering him out.

Out of a window when he began experiencing chest pains, he didn't even break the, you know, he was holding them hostage and he didn't even open the door and let him out. He was like, nah, if we opened the door, they might come rushing in. We're going to tie him up, let him out the window, lower him down while we're holding a hostage.

It was just like, it was this big, it was this big political thing. And, uh, it was a part of a student protest he was doing. 

Theo Harvey: Got to [00:40:00] check that one out. Definitely. Wow. This 

Mr.Benja: stuff gets deep. 

Theo Harvey: What else here? Uh, One of the things I kind of want to cover, I didn't see this after the fact, I didn't know it was a whole game controller aspect of it, right?

This whole, you're playing a game with the X's and the zeros, the circle. Did you get that right away when you saw that? 

Mr.Benja: Uh, I'm kind of ashamed, but I didn't catch on to the video game portion of it. I saw the symbols and first started thinking of squid game because they kind of matched with the outfits, um, which was kind of reference, you know, just alluded to, I guess.

And then I also thought of the. It looks like kind of a tic tac toe board. And that, so I was getting that from it. I didn't read video game right off the bat, but yeah, that was part of it. Definitely. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. I mean, obviously in the end he says game over. And so the audience is the screen. So that, so that, that is covert, right?

You know, you're playing this game in front of an audience. Right. And you know, how are [00:41:00] you performing? And so it was kind of like he was already ready for the backlash about how he was performing. So I know I'm being watched. I know this is a game I'm playing. So, you know, go ahead and do your worst. I'm going to do what I do.

So I thought that was kind of interesting. So, yeah, but I didn't catch that till later. What did you get? What you got? 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, we'll go right from there to. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll trail off with that with um, how he was saying, you know, turn the TV off, turn the TV off and the whole bit about the revolution will be televised.

And if you go back to the original statement, how the revolution will not be televised, what they were, what he was saying, um, just got here. And what he was saying about that was, yeah, you may have cameras and stuff around, but the point of it not being televised is that. It's not going to get co opted by the media.

It's going to be a community effort and you can't televise that. It's going to be people holding, holding arms together. 

Community and Revolution

Mr.Benja: [00:42:00] Metaphorically, it's going to be a community, a group think kind of effort. Like, Hey, you know, we're, we're, we're on some new game right now and you can't televise, you can't capture it.

So what's funny is, you know, Kendrick coming out saying, you know, it will be televised. You say like, Hey, we're on television and I still got this community out here and people are watching it for the reason of the community, you know, it's the right time, but you picked the wrong guy. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He did say that. Yeah. Well, so when you said the wrong guy, you know, so that to me was a little bit, um, It kind of stepping away from like, look, I'm not the guy that's going to be out here leading the revolution. You know, I may spark it, but I'm not going to lead it. And so is that, that was impression I got when he said the right time, but the wrong guy.

So, um, I'm sparking, you know, I'm sparking it, but you know, I'm not going to lead it. So here, here, get it, get hype, you know, bill, I'm going to put some, some memes out here. I'm going to do some things, get you guys [00:43:00] talking. In code words, and then I'm out.

Mr.Benja: Oh yeah. There's a couple of different ways to read that. Um, you know, I was, I was taken away. I took away from it. The, you know, you got the wrong guy. It's like, you know. Um, when someone, when someone comes and tries you, you know, they stand up, Oh, you got the wrong guy. Oh, 

Theo Harvey: good point. Yeah, that's a good point.

Mr.Benja: Just the way the intonation and the way he said that just totally evoked that for me. Um, so 

Art and Interpretation

Theo Harvey: that's art. I love art because everybody can have different opinions of what it means to them. So that's, that's, that's the importance of it. Uh, let's see, uh, uh, what else I got here? 

Symbolism in Performance

Theo Harvey: Uh, you know, I think, uh, Obviously the flag, black men making up the American flag.

I thought that was kind of interesting. Um, they all had different, the red, white and blue, but the different hairstyles and colors. And so just, you know, basically American was built on the black on the backs of black men. Curious. He didn't see. And someone made a good point. I mean, I [00:44:00] had to go deep analysis.

They said each of the colors represent something. So white represents purity. Red represents war. Uh, I think blue represents justice. And, you know, when they, when they were dancing, you know, the red folks, who, We're always, you know, squabble up, you know, squabble up. They were everywhere. They were kind of always looking to fight the white one.

You know, the, the, the white ones were kind of falling around, keeping things peaceful, especially when they got into the R and B section with SZA, they were around more and the blue was there to kind of just keep everything, you know. Them separated and all that. It was kind of, yeah, it was like, okay. So there was some thought that went into how the dancers were moving throughout the performance.

And so I thought that was kind of interesting. I know. Did you catch any of that? I didn't catch that to have to watch some analysis, but I did see the black men and what they were doing though. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, yeah, definitely. The, um, the red, white and blue aspect of it. It's like, let's not even. Let's not even throw any, you know, of the, it's like, Hey, we are American and we're going to claim this American [00:45:00] situation in the most, uh, Sam Jackson called it get away possible.

And, and the subtle, the subtle, uh, splitting of the flag when he was standing in the middle of it, it's like, yeah, we can put him in the middle, but everybody's kind of shifted a little bit. So it's not a perfect. He could have had the flag the way it was, but then they split apart a little bit. So it's like, Hey, this is going to be a divisive kind of thing.

We're still kind of divided. Um, those are all little bits in there like that. I love 

Theo Harvey: it. I love it. What you got? 

Mr.Benja: Um, but I thought it was funny. 

The GNX and Subtle Messages

Mr.Benja: Um, so the, the car, the GNX, uh, the, the Buick GNX came out and, you know, it's this, it's this black car. It's got a lot of history. Um. You know, with, uh, with Kendrick, the date of he was born on the same year that came out, it's like a, it's like a unique car, you know, a lot of people really enjoyed it, but it wasn't like really popular or, or famous.

Trailer: Yeah. 

Mr.Benja: Um, and then [00:46:00] he starts on that. Then that's, that's where he starts the thing and everybody starts running out of the car. What's interesting is that the car went into the background during the performance and at some point. A dude with the, a combination Palestinian and Sudanese flag comes out there and starts waving it.

You can barely catch it in the background, but in one of the shots, in one of the shots, it almost looked like he was calling out over his shoulder, and you could see it in the background. And people aren't sure whether he did that intentionally or it was just the timing of the camera, the song, and the guy being on the car.

And It's like, I'm, it's like, Hey, let me do a real subtle, or maybe he didn't even do it on purpose kind of thing. Or maybe he didn't know about it, but it was one of those things that happened where it gets enough of that buzz in there that just, I don't know. You heard about the Palestinian flag guy in the car?

Yeah, yeah, 

Theo Harvey: yeah. He got arrested and you [00:47:00] know, but. Uh, this is New Orleans. They said they have a jail inside the superdome. So I guess he went to that jail, but he got released and it was like nothing. So, so that was weird to me. It was like, Oh, here's this guy that no one knew about. I was a dancer that kind of snuck these flags in and he just got released.

So, you know, my suspicion flag went up and said, wait a minute. Did Kendrick and team know about this guy and just let it kind of slide. And it's like, Oh yeah, he's with us. Just let it go. And so to your point, so do you think he acted independent or was it. Uh, 

Mr.Benja: you know, you ever see those, those shows where you have like a mob boss or something and somebody comes in like somebody six levels down from the mob boss has access to them and they ask him something like, Hey, is it okay if I, you know, get rid of this restaurant?

Get rid of this restaurant. And the Don is like, I never liked that restaurant anyway, but maybe it should stay, maybe it should, uh, maybe it should be replaced by something. I don't [00:48:00] know, but I never really liked it. And the Don walks off. Right. And then everyone's wondering, like, okay, so if he never really liked it, I should have some modern protection.

What do you mean by that? You know, it's like, okay, I'll go ahead. I'll go ahead and do it because we're replacing it with something better. That's what the Don was saying. But the Don could be just like, I was just giving my opinion. So 

Theo Harvey: plausible. Deniability. Did he? Plausible Exactly. He said, you know, I, you know, I, now we don't need to have that political stance, but, you know, I mean, it is, it is saying what's happening with those people over there?

Someone needs to talk about it. . 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. Um, good point. He, he, uh. He's got connections. He's, um, a filmmaker and fashion designer and I saw, I saw some of his posts on, on Instagram where he was just like 

Theo Harvey: the other, the, the, the flag guy, 

Mr.Benja: the flag guy. Yeah. I can't find him now, but, um, of course I'm not going to want you to have it.

But anyway, um, so I just [00:49:00] thought that was interesting that whole little, there's so much chaos going on during that show, which is also kind of the point. It's like, it's not as ordered. It's just chaotic. That something like that could plausibly happen and nobody freaks out too much. 

Theo Harvey: Absolutely. I agree. So, um, I mean, do we want to get into, uh, you know, they had the smooth R& B part.

I thought that was kind of interesting with SZA. Uh, you know, just kind of, you know, keep it cool of all the stars and Luther. Everybody loves that song, you know, um, that gets into that R& B, that, that, that smooth side of Kendrick Lamar, but. 

The Drake Diss

Theo Harvey: Mr. Benji, I think everybody's waiting since he gonna do, is he going to do it?

Is he going to do it? And so they even prepped for it where they had the little dancers said, you know, they like to sue, you know, somebody, he just kind of prep you for it. Right. And then when that song, when that. And that came out, it was ah, . And he started doing it. And then the next thing was like, you know, is he, [00:50:00] is he gonna say his name?

Is he gonna say his name? And he said it right on cue. He said, Hey, Drake . 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. It's funny that that pose has become a, a meme right now and I love it. Just the fact that walking is smiling, bam, 

Theo Harvey: say Drake . And then the fact that everybody in the whole stadium would say a minor, I was like, oh man, this is.

This is as bad as Patrick Mahone. There's a meme I got sent it to you where they got Patrick Mahone's and, and Drake consoling each other. Cause basically that's, yeah, Drake got owned. It was, I don't know how bad you can be. I mean, that's, that's the worst. I mean, it's not bad. It's bad enough. It was, he won a Grammy for it.

Not bad enough that everybody was the number one song. He played at the Superbowl, the biggest performance of all time. So I can drink, come back. That's the question from something that this total decimation of him. But, um, and then he had, uh, you know, you had Serena out there, crit walking, I mean, you know, and her, her roots go [00:51:00] deep.

She's from Compton. She controversial did the crit walk at the Olympics a couple of years back. And people were criticizing her for that. Obviously she was an ex of, uh, Of Drake, so she was out there walking on them and scissor is X. That's what the rumor is. I don't know of Drake. So, so yeah, the whole, you know, it's just the decimation of just the Drake ness of it all was just complete.

What would it said finish him, you know, with Mortal Kombat. That's what that was. That was like, you know, they would split the sea. That's what that happened. It was like, Drake is like wobbling. Right. Finish him. And then the whole Superbowl comes in and Kendrick does say Drake and Jake just explodes fatality.

Mr.Benja: I mean, you know, okay. So in general, man, the whole, the whole beef thing, it's, it's fun and just kind of [00:52:00] tense when it's within a certain group, but then. Once somebody gets outed from the group, like Drake is, is, you know, people are like pushing away from Drake. Like, yeah, you know, Drake was, uh, was cool just to have on some songs and everything, but we knew he was problematic.

Theo Harvey: It's like, it's like Peter, man, you know, Peter would deny Jesus three times, you know, the first time he said, nah, I don't know Jesus. Second time. No, no. Third time. Why y'all keep asking about Jesus? I never knew that guy, you know, it was just like, wait a minute, hold up. That's what people do with drink. Like drink.

I did a feature, but I didn't know it was drink. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. I 

Theo Harvey: mean, look at the Grammys. I mean, you got Taylor Swift. He did songs with Drake and other folks just be like singing a minor and, you know, dancing to, you know, just, I mean, it's just, yeah, you're right. People are just kind of distancing themselves from him pretty, pretty, pretty quick.

Mr.Benja: Yeah. And, uh, you know, [00:53:00] that's, that's a whole, that's a whole thing, but it's, it's funny as many times as you bring it up where it's like, yeah, uh, as much symbolism as there was, Drake is also a symbol and he got caught up in, he got caught up at the wrong time and definitely with the wrong guy, you know?

It's awesome. Yeah. 

Theo Harvey: He thought he was going to get a chance. I mean, you know, that push was pretty interesting, but he, that got a little heat there for a second. But after that was not like us came out. That was, that was it. So, um, wow. Anything else, man, we want to talk about this. 

Mr.Benja: Um, you know, yeah. Uh, you want to go a little long.

Theo Harvey: Yeah, what you thinking? 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. No, we just have we just have more I know people are gonna be talking about some parts of this What do you think of his 

Fashion Statements

Theo Harvey: outfit? I didn't ever really thought he was like a merchandise type of guy until this man It was like, I mean obviously he's got his little, you know, small a was it PG [00:54:00] land?

I think that's the name of his company and so yeah, he was out here repping that the jacket had all these sayings on it and then he had the I mean, we call them bell bottoms, right? But I mean, they're, they're, I guess what they call flare, what they call flare jeans. 

Mr.Benja: And so I guess they're a little different from bell bottoms, but sure.

Theo Harvey: I mean, my daughter caught that immediately. She was like, what's that? And so she said, I don't know if I like that. But then I was like, Oh, that caught her interest. And so sure enough, the whole 125 million people saw that and it sold out instantly to what he was wearing. So it's just like, who knew he's a fashion icon now, man.

It's just crazy. How, how, you know, one look, your, your rapper's favorite rapper became the biggest, you know, music star, you know, music artists of the year. Crazy. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. And also, um, you know, it's, he's, he had the feather in his cap. Some people were wondering about that, um, or thought it was a wing. Uh, it looked like a feather in the cap [00:55:00] and basically a feather in the cap.

That's like an, a saying that means you've got an achievement or honor that somebody can be, that you can be proud of, you know, so being at the super bowl. He's got this diamond feather is cap is like, yeah, I'm, I've made it. So I liked the little, little subtle nods like that. And, um, and even with the chain that he had on, uh, everybody saw the a, but if you look at some of the closeup shots, the actual, the actual links in the, in the chain, they, they had letters that spelled out PG Lang.

So people are going to be looking out for that production company to do more and maybe be behind the scenes on a lot of stuff. Good play. 

Theo Harvey: I mean, I mean, you, you did deep dive on his shirt. Underneath the jacket that he didn't, did you, did you want to talk about that? You were trying to find that, that shirt.

Oh 

Mr.Benja: yeah. He, uh, yeah, he actually had a shirt on, uh, just a regular black shirt. It seemed from, uh, from watching the halftime show, but if [00:56:00] you saw him get. Escorted out off the field and, you know, went back and took his jacket off and everything. He had a shirt that said, uh, that basically on the back said, Keep them away from me.

I don't know why, but Kendrick getting all this attention, and being a quiet person, then having a shirt on that says, Keep them away from me, just made me laugh a lot. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. James, you absolutely James, you gotta make a short out of that. That's for sure. The shirt Kendrick Lamar doesn't want you to see that's the hook.

Mr.Benja: Yeah. It just reminds me of the fakers, the haters, the, the, you know, the people like Drake, it's like, just keep them away from me. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah. I love it. Um, Yeah, man. 

Haters and Subversion

Theo Harvey: Uh, do you want to talk about the re the, the, the, the haters? You talk about the haters. Let's talk about the haters, man. I didn't think it was going to be hated that much.

I'll be honest with you. Cause it was funny. I was walking around. I was surprised. I mean, I had some coworkers, you know, who said, [00:57:00] Hey, that, that kid asked about the super bowl. I didn't. Give me any prodding about Kendrick. I was talking about the game itself. Yeah. Oh, that Kendrick performance. I wanted to see that.

And it's like, Oh, wow. And, uh, you know, uh, and then I was sitting in the coffee shop and it was like, I heard like two conversations with people were talking about the Kendrick Lamar thing. So it's just like, I was like, wow, this his performance really, you know. Got into society there for this last week.

And, uh, but then the, you know, it's like, don't you guys have enough victories now, but it's like, they, they got to find some more enemies. If you don't have enemies on the other side, then it's like you're, you're not relevant anymore. So they're going to find, they're going, they're going to go after Kendrick, I guess, and talking about all these other things, um, Yeah, it was a lot.

Mr.Benja: So speaking of that, yeah, the haters, man, it's like when I was, so for those who don't know, I grew up in North Florida, South Georgia, um, and it was a whole racial thing. It was just out [00:58:00] there in its own way, not saying that it wasn't in other places, but the straightforward kind of, yeah, I'm like this, we don't like you for this and that.

Was very interesting down there. And one thing that they would always have is, you know, this, this idea that you did that on purpose, which is why I think a lot of the subtlety was good with what Kendrick did, because it's like somebody sitting down saying he did that on purpose and they're kind of gritting their teeth, but they can't point it out.

Too harshly because it's like, Hey man, we're all dancing in the American flag and you're talking about the flag being divided. Oh, you know, that's just a visual thing, man. I was just standing in the middle. So they had to separate a little bit. I can't just be all jammed up with these dancers. But if you could say they did that on purpose out loud, then it's, you know, you're hitting on something, right.

Um, you're touching a nerve. So the whole idea of just kind of like, Hey, I'm not really saying anything. I'm just saying [00:59:00] that's a game that. White supremacist racism has played a long time and people get really frustrated when we don't come out and you know, we, we don't come out and say something right off.

There's that idea that, you know, there's looking over at us like he's doing that on purpose. 

Theo Harvey: Good point. So he kind of used subversion like they do. Cause you're right. There's been the proud boys, you know, the little shout outs to them, the little finger movements they do, right. To kind of get us riled up.

I mean, the DEI is, is a co or woke is a code word for other things. So, um, to your point, he's doing the same thing. Kind of at their own game. So you, Mr. Benji, you might, you might pull me back into your, to your world, man. This is like, he should have been more over, but maybe the conversion was. Uh, a way to go after them because using their old tricks and because now you're right, they couldn't [01:00:00] talk about them, but it was kind of like subtle.

They were like, well, you had to fly and you divided it. So all that. So like you're right. I was looking at some of your criticism here. It's like, you know, we can understand his words or, you know, they were getting on them because he had too many black folks, you know, D E I. I mean, so what, he's going to have a bunch of white folks out there dancing.

You probably should have just to. Say, well, I had a whole section. It was nothing but white folks. Then they couldn't say nothing. They'd be like, Oh, so, but yeah, they would criticize them on like little minute things, like I couldn't understand them is not my cup of tea. That was like DEI because it has so many black folks in the performance and like, come on, man.

Mr.Benja: Yes, it's in a instead of said, there's like people that are saying, you know, he built a whole halftime show around this track, you know, just so he could talk down to people. And, uh, there was this one, this one music, uh, somebody who had been around a while. He just went on a rant. Um, he wasn't an important enough of music guy to really speak.

Right down and [01:01:00] remember, but he was just like, you know, how time shows and things like this are supposed to be uplifting. You know, you're supposed to be, you know, making your brace proud. And this is not a black guy, just some guy talking noise. I was like, you're supposed to make your race proud and have people want to aspire to be you.

And, you know, and you should dress up nicer and dah, dah, dah. And I'm looking at it like. Huh, this is fascinating. I thought by now, you know, people would, wouldn't go online and do that sort of thing. If you are of any type of, you know, renown and status, you wouldn't say that, but, um, I'm not even gonna look the guy up.

I lost the, lost the Instagram reel a while back, but it was just comedy. 

Theo Harvey: It is the haters. They can, it was just like, just choking on their own hate just to kind of have an enemy to get, get on them. But you're right. I mean, just stuff that was like two, two black, even those in New Orleans, which is a [01:02:00] city that has majority black and known for jazz, which is a black music influence.

I mean, they had Harry Connick jr. out there, fine. Rolled him out there, but. Let's be honest. Trombone shorty, uh, John Batis, you know, I mean, you had Big Frieda. I mean, they didn't show her in the pre-game, but you know, her music was playing, so it's like, that's a black, you know, all that, you know, so it's like, yeah, man, I, yeah.

So it was, it was kind of interesting. Then Jay-Z, of course the Jay-Z of it all, you know, he was a DEI hire, so they're going after Jay-Z, you know, because he got the Super Bowl.

Hilarious. It's hilarious on so many levels. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, man. Um, yeah, it's, it's, it's funny. It's like, uh, whenever you, it's almost like a form of protest and this is where the subversion thing comes again. God, here it's, here it is again. It's like, like, Hey, you're going to go do the thing that we expect you to do.

It's like, yeah, yeah, sure. I got you. [01:03:00] And then you do something different. You don't necessarily go against. What it was supposed to be, but then, you know, when they give you that look and they're like, not like this, not like this. And they just pass out. 

Theo Harvey: I'm an artist. I mean, you know, it's just like, I mean, you can't tell me what you tell me to do something and then you can't expect it to be, you know, you don't want to fall into cliche as an artist.

I get that. 

Mr.Benja: Here's my thing. Beyonce did more overt kind of blackness, but because she was dressed up and had that spectacle, people overlooked it and were like, whatever. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah, it was a different time too, let's be honest. But yeah, she did it. Yeah, you're right. I mean, she had the black marching band, she did renaissance, I mean, she did everything.

And then even she was very overt in that whole Halftime show, uh, Christmas. It was like, she came out on a horse of all things singing a country song [01:04:00] with a hat on, it was just like, okay, did she had all the country music artists come out that were black? I mean, it was just like, I'm a black country artist.

Don't you forget. 

Mr.Benja: And even so, you know, he still hit the check Mark. So people weren't as mad at that. In my opinion, I don't, I don't think people were as mad as they are at this, but, uh, they don't want to message. 

Theo Harvey: No, well, you know, message 

Mr.Benja: and a, and a prison yard. That was the one that I didn't pick up on before.

They did this on a prison yard with dead bodies everywhere. And I'm not talking about the song because there was no rock music. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah, man. Um, but you know, I gotta get a shout out to my, uh, greatest song ever. We got to put that out there somewhere. That song, when that song becomes so hype, man, it's just like, [01:05:00] I don't know, man.

It just, it's kind of hit the airways, man. And everybody just, 

Mr.Benja: yeah, they even, uh, they even did like a little Heinz, even, um, got in contact and did a little ad with them. So the Heinz ad. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. The mustard. Yep. Mustard. But it was apropos. I mean, he was shouting the haters, the pre hate, right. He knew the pre hate.

You can shut the TV off what you complain about turn the TV off turn the TV off. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, I like, uh, You know, he must actually bring i'm trying to think if there's anybody around who's been doing it since the days of dame dash and pharrell, um, timbaland All up in the music video. 

Theo Harvey: Well, uh, what's his name dj college.

I mean he was up. Yeah Yeah, I mean murdoch one time bet awards. It was like it was a whole dj college You know, uh, Smorgasbord of artists. Right. But yeah, he is, uh, 

Mr.Benja: yeah, 

Theo Harvey: he's, he's up there [01:06:00] 

Mr.Benja: performing a halftime show. And all of a sudden it's like, some guy comes out, you put your, put your arms around his shoulder and both of y'all are like, all right, you can get off stage now.

Theo Harvey: I mean, he, he 

Mr.Benja: produced that. What's funny is there are actual, like. Tick tocks where you can, uh, you search for mustard with like five or seven A's. I forgot how many, but you just search for like hashtag mustard or whatever. And yeah, there's all these videos of like, when that song comes on, you know, the kid will jump up and yell, they don't know the rest of the song.

They'll just jump up and yell that part. Um, 

Theo Harvey: you know, that, that song he does, what's that? Uh, it reminds me of sickle mode members. Like sickle mode was like three songs in one. And then that must've song, what's that song called? A turn TV off. It's like three, it's like two songs, right? Cause it starts off slow and then he goes into that.

You know, kind of like sickle, right? [01:07:00] Sickle mode where they kind of have that in like a light, a lack of light, you know? Oh yeah. I know Drake, I'm giving Drake some props, but so I think that's. Part of the decimation of Drake and just take his style too. So it's just like, I'm going, I'm going to do exactly what you do.

I'm going to make two songs in one, man. 

Mr.Benja: Drake, Drake got that style from somebody else. Guy who made it popular. It's like saying, uh, yeah, exactly. 

Theo Harvey: Well, Mr. Benjamin, this has been great. Uh, did you want to. Get into some trailer time real quick and then yeah, yeah, we got to do our trailers. Yeah. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. 

Trailer Time: How to Train Your Dragon

Mr.Benja: So yeah, we got uh some trailers for you today as we we've been doing lately And we're going to start off with the trailer for how to train your dragon I've actually never seen any of the how to train your dragon Uh, so this will be my, [01:08:00] I may have seen the trailer before, but this will be the first.

Have you watched them? I suppose you have kids, so 

Theo Harvey: yeah, you know, yeah, they were, they were, they liked them. They were okay. I mean, I thought they were decent. Um, Mr. Benji, I think the, uh, one of the trailers, I think is, uh, there's a little commercial in the beginning of it or something, so I got to make sure I, you get that one lined up, the Thunderbolts one.

Mr.Benja: Wait, the Thunderbolts one I got from, uh, it has a commercial on it for you. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Is a IGN. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. Oh, I thought that was the, uh, official joint. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Gimme the official joint. Gimme that official stuff from 

Mr.Benja: Marvel, right? Yeah. From Marvel. 

Theo Harvey: Gimme that Marvel joint. But anyway, um, yeah. Train How to train Your Dragon.

Yeah, I seen it. Uh, I thought it was decent cartoon about finding common ground with potential villain and all that. It's got some good storytelling, but I, I would not guess that they would endure this [01:09:00] long where it gets the. Um, you know, changing the animation to, um, you know, uh, change it into a, what's it called?

Live action. Right. It's like, that doesn't happen to a lot of movies. I mean, I think Disney kind of started that trend a little bit, you know, what they did Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and then of course, now they're gonna have Moana coming out, but I guess, uh, Pixar, I mean, what's this Universal Studios.

I think that came from DreamWorks. They're starting to do that now with their shows. And so, um, they're, they're, and it's the first one they're doing. Cause if Disney did it, why not? We do it too. Right. So let's take our animation and make it real life. So, uh, so yeah. Um, yeah, man. So like I said, uh, we can kind of check out this, how to train your dragon.

Let me tee up this other one here too, while we're talking. Yeah. Alright, let's go to the marvel studios. We gotta go to the marvel studios joint. 

Mr.Benja: Alright, so this is the how to train your dragon [01:10:00] Official trailer. I thought they'd have like a sub name to it. How to train your dragon real or whatever I don't know what you want to call it, but that's just it.

Anyway, let's start this off right now in three Two, one, play.

Trailer: We're all descendants of the finest driving fighters from everywhere the Vikings ever traveled.

These beasts are a threat to all of our lands. It's time to make up. I have

to kill you. I will because I'm a Viking. Hear that? I'm a Viking![01:11:00] 

Aw.

It's okay. I won't hurt you.

Maybe they're not as bad as we think they are. In case you forgot, our parents war is about to become ours. Figure out which side you're on.

They've killed hundreds of us! And we've killed thousands of them! Toothless, no! He's a friend! You all need to see this. I'm not one of them. Stop! Wow. We've lost everything. Your [01:12:00] father, your tribe, your best friend. What are you gonna do about it? Probably something stupid. Well, you've already done that. Then something crazy.

What's up, Doss? Doss? Stick with me. Alright, bud! You ready?

Come on!

Here it comes!

The terrible terror!

It's like the size of my 

Mr.Benja: Really? That was, that gave me a laugh, that gave me a laugh. 

Theo Harvey: What did you think? 

Mr.Benja: Um, so one thing I know about reactions and I don't want to make I don't want to be fake, but I want to be [01:13:00] proper to the reactions. One thing about reactions is you're not really supposed to to dunk on it and be, be down on them.

I get it. That's how reactions go. Um, I liked it. I wasn't, I wasn't too, uh, invested in the story. Like, I don't know much about how to train your dragon, but from this, they gave a lot of good story elements, a lot of good, uh, you know, a couple of good characters, the girl love interest, and then the, the old stalwart, you know, big Viking guy, um, so, you know, it's, I like, I like the way it kind of played out.

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, um, I, I thought they were hiding the ball here, but, um, there's a little reason, another reason why they bond there and it was kind of hinted at their, um, you know, where he, I don't know if you know, he was on the, the, the hiccup was his name of the dragon when he, um, kind of put his foot down like a gas.

I don't know if you saw that part when he was flying. So if they put that in there, so basically, you know, not without too many [01:14:00] spoilers, you know, they bond on some kind of deformity. And I always thought that was interesting, you know, like he had a deformity and the dragon and so they bond on that. And so I think that You know, they kind of need each other.

Right. Cause so I thought that was kind of interesting. So they put that in and that's the core of the story. Uh, but yeah, I mean, a couple of things, you know, me, I'm the, the, the, the, the Hollywood guy. Right. So Gerard Butler plays his dad. He's the same voice actor from the cartoon. So. They started to do that more, right?

Yeah. Hey, you know, if you still have way decent, you know, as an actor, we're going to throw you in into the actual movie itself, right? Play the same role. So I thought that was interesting. And then the love interest, uh, her name is Astrid. You know who, whose daughter that is? 

Mr.Benja: I don't know. I couldn't tell with the, uh, with the braids.

Theo Harvey: Yeah, you can tell the braids and stuff, but she was actually in the last of us. Um, that actress, the very beginning. Um, if you saw the last of us, the TV show and her, her mom is Thandie [01:15:00] Newton. So now you can't unsee it when you watch it again, you'll see. Oh yeah, that's okay. So that's just, he's getting a little moving.

So yeah, man. Um, 

Mr.Benja: excuse me, can you wear a braid? Uh, Dante Newton's my mama. It's like, uh, okay, I guess not. 

Theo Harvey: My dad is, I'm half white. So yeah, I'll be good, but, um, let's do it. Yeah, man. Uh, so yeah, I think, um, yeah, we'll see, you know, I'm cautiously excited. Yeah, 

Mr.Benja: yeah, it made me realize something they play it a little, not just because it's live action, but I think they play it a little older and this is just a feeling because the people who watched it before were younger when they watched it and they kind of want to see a more grown up version because they're grown up now.

So that kind of was a disconnect for me at first. I'm like, Oh, that makes sense. That's a little older crowd. So it gives him then, 

Theo Harvey: yeah, the joke at the end, you know, it seems like that was a little bit older joke that we're going for. So, yeah. [01:16:00] It makes sense. 

Mr.Benja: I 

Theo Harvey: love it. All right, man. What's next. 

Mr.Benja: What's next.

Trailer Time: Marvel's Thunderbolts

Mr.Benja: We have our second video that we're going to video trailer. This is Marvel studios, thunderbolts, the big game trailer. So, um, I think I've seen parts of this, uh, Theo, you saw the whole thing. So we'll just put that out there. Kind of know what this is going to be about. So it's not like we're going to be terribly surprised on anything.

Um, two minutes, 23 seconds and. Not too much more to say about it. You got anything you want to 

Theo Harvey: know? You know, we'll talk about why there's an asterisk. I think the, we are, we figured out why it is an asterisk now. So we'll talk about it. 

Mr.Benja: Oh, okay. Actually, I didn't, I haven't figured that out. Let's let's play this one up in three, two, one play.

Trailer: Let's talk facts. The Avengers are not coming. [01:17:00] Who will keep the American people safe?

There's some big threat out there. And you are gonna help me stop it. Wait, us? Yeah, you. Why, you got some place to be? I love that guy.

So, none of us comply? So what, we all just punch and shoot? I can't think of a worse group of people trying to work together. Stop! Get off me! John, stop! Where are you? Where are you? Everyone here has done bad things. You can't escape the past. Hey, it's like your mind is somewhere else. So you can do something about it now?

We'll live with it for hours. This could get messy. No shit. You thought you were gonna be some great saviors? You can't even save yourselves.[01:18:00] 

We can't do this. No one here is a hero. Lena, when I look at you I don't see your mistakes. That's why we need each other. Okay, that was really good. We are the Thunderbolts! Can't call ourselves that. God, thank you. This has makings of team. That can raise to glory.

Bring light from the darkness.

This team can be the heroes on the weightiest box

with a little giddy boy.[01:19:00] 

Alexi, have you slept? I sleep when I'm dead. I'd like not to die today. So maybe somebody else should be driving.

Mr.Benja: I like that. 

Trailer: Okay. 

Mr.Benja: I like the way they did this trailer. It's, it was good for, you know, the, the, the fun times. Uh, I think people need a little bit of that, that joyfulness, the playfulness, uh, didn't talk a lot about the plot. So, you know, how we always discuss where, Oh, I can kind of play it out in my head, even though there's plenty of information, maybe in the movie, uh, it, it just, it did the teaser thing.

And. I'm good with this. I'm kind of interested now. 

Theo Harvey: Well, you know, um, uh, I liked it when I first saw it. So I kinda, I liked that team vibe and then Marvel, unlike the Suicide Squad, they just know how to make people [01:20:00] quippy and, you know, have funny moments and talking. So, so I think that'll go way better than Suicide Squad did.

Right. Um, cause basically, which came first. Thunderbolt. I think Suicide Squad came out, but right. This whole concept of using bad guys to fight better villains. Right. And so, um, but I'm there for that. I like the actress, you know, um, I can't remember her name right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's good. Yeah. Great actress, man.

She's, uh, yeah. So she should make it interesting. And then, um, so yeah. Uh, I don't know if you saw the poster, right. Do you see the poster? Nah, uh, should I look it up? Yeah, yeah, well, James will put it in there. It's a Wheaties box. 

Mr.Benja: Oh, the Wheaties box, right. I didn't know 

Theo Harvey: that was a 

Mr.Benja: poster. 

Theo Harvey: That was a poster, man.

They talked about the trailer and they put it on the Wheaties box. So, you know, we'll see. I think it's fun. I think it's in May. So, um, which would be, um, Someone made a good point. They said, Cause it's called the Thunderbolts right [01:21:00] after, uh, Ross Thunderbolt, right. That the general from the Hulk. And so, um, if you don't know, he's the one that originated the team.

So there's like, Hmm, wait a minute. We just had a movie where he was in it as a president and we got another movie called the Thunderbolts. Why didn't just put these movies together? And so I was like, man, that's a, this, there's a case to be made for that. Right. Um, but, um, but yeah, I liked it, man. I think, uh, I love the nostalgia, you know, we always got that little eighties.

Soft rock popping up, right? I mean, who doesn't love that? So yeah, I'm there for it. I liked it cautiously optimistic. 

Mr.Benja: It it doggone it. So you know how popcorn movie is supposed to be a popcorn movie. And I have this kind of vibe where. There's certain reasons why I go to watch a movie after I've seen the trailer, and I honestly thought of popcorn while I was watching this.

Theo Harvey: There you go. 

Mr.Benja: The scene, I'm, and I'm not even in the theater right now. I'm at the [01:22:00] cookout with the rainbow. So, seeing the The way it played out, the characters, the quips, the pacing. I just totally thought, wow, this is a movie I need to see in the theater. It's got that vibe to it way more so than a lot of the trailers I've seen recently.

I don't know what it is exactly, but it worked out right. 

Theo Harvey: Hmm. What's the right mix of a popcorn movie. I love it. Um, to make it a popcorn movie. Uh, yeah, there's a hint of the bad guy, you know, um, go look up century. They showed them in previous, but this is probably him and his all his glory. So it's going to be interesting to see what they do.

Um, because he's very super powered. So it's going to be interesting to see how, like, uh, Elena says all we do is punch and shoot. None of us can fly. It's just like, Yeah, this is interesting. Kind of like, uh, Captain America against the Hulk. But this is interesting. This is the first time we're seeing like the, the good guys are having a villain that's more powerful than, than [01:23:00] them.

We never really had that in Marvel movies. Right. It's almost like the villains are afterthought. Now these villains are so much more powerful than the villain, the heroes in these movies. It kind of makes it interesting. Cause even, uh, You know, the, the, the act where the Hulk is, you know, not spoiler alert, but when Hulk is attacking captain America, you're like, dude, this dude could get really hurt.

I mean, you know, yeah, he got a lot of stuff, but this, this, this ain't nobody coming, man. So, um, speaking of which, so, um, we'll talk about it here because it's out there. The asterisk, they finally tell us what the asterisk is. You gotta go look at some fan site in Japan or something, but when they put the asterisk on there, um, at the bottom, it says Avengers not included.

Mr.Benja: I see. That's interesting and fun. I like it. Uh, just give me more Bucky and we're good. 

Theo Harvey: Oh, you're a Bucky fan. Okay. Well, you 

Mr.Benja: know, he's the, he's the anchor that we kind of know. So bringing us all into all of this, [01:24:00] you know, if you want to go back to, um, Captain America and the Winter Soldier series, you know, it kind of led the way for Thunderbolt and Bucky and him being his own, Thing as opposed to being part of something else.

So, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm good. I'm good for this. Wow. What is I'm curious as hell now, what is that feeling now? I got to dissect the trailer. 

Theo Harvey: All right. Well, maybe we'll get into next time. Wow. Mr. Bidger. This has been a great one. 

Conclusion and Sign-Off

Theo Harvey: Uh, guys, look, we always enjoy the time we have with you guys and talking about these great shows, movies, and business side of things.

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Mr.Benja: peace rainbows and happy black history month.

Can I say that?