SvB E208 Artificial Intelligence can now OWN YOU for $20,000

Is AI evolving too fast for us to keep up? We dive deep into the latest AI breakthroughs, from OpenAI’s $20K/month AI agents to the growing influence of algorithms shaping our thoughts.
Plus, we discuss Grok vs. ChatGPT, AI's role in media, and how it's replacing search engines. Are we still in control, or has AI already taken over?

Also, we did some Reaction on a couple of Trailers, The Last of Us Season 2 and HAVOC.

00:00 Introduction and Weekly Catch-Up
01:15 Daredevil Born Again Review
03:15 Arcane Season 2: A Disappointing Sequel?
09:06 Invincible and Gritty Superhero Shows
11:45 Star Wars: Comments and Critiques
19:58 AI Agents and Their Future
38:47 AI's Unique Contextualization Challenge
41:15 Human Element in AI Integration
44:10 AI Alignment and Risks
45:13 Algorithm Influence on Information
49:12 Curated vs. Algorithmic Content
54:07 Impact of Habits and Algorithms
59:10 Trailer Talk: The Last of Us Season 2
01:08:36 Trailer Talk: Havoc
01:11:12 Oscars Relevance Today
01:13:07 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans

YouTube link to this Podcast Episode:
https://youtu.be/9ygIigVwqmE

#AITakeover #AIRevolution #ArtificialIntelligence #OpenAI #ChatGPT #Algorithms #TechTrends #Movie #Reaction #Podcast #LastOfUs #HAVOC

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Introduction and Weekly Catch-Up

Theo Harvey: This is show versus business where pop culture means pop money. We host the real Theo Harvey and Mr. Benja. So Mr. Benja, how was your week? 

Mr.Benja: Week was good, man. Uh, I had all the information streams coming in. That's why you see my background now. Um, yeah, it was, it was a good week, man. I, I calmed down a lot.

Uh, Uh, you know, cause I was, I'm getting amped up on some, on some little stuff. I'm trying to get my writing mode and people are trying to amp me up. So I got my new pens. I got my, my meditation mat. I got my, my juice, you know what I'm saying? I got everything I need and, uh, just trying to calm down and relax and chill, man, because the stream is wearing on me.

Theo Harvey: Oh man, don't do that, brother. My wife called me honoree and I said, honoree. I said, what's that? So we looked it up. Bad tempered and combative. I said, yep, that's me.

So don't be honoree, Mr. 

Mr.Benja: Benja. Someone pulls out a word and you're like, [00:01:00] hold on now. That's not usually in our communication. So let's make sure what we're talking about is what we 

Theo Harvey: can get a little combative when I feel overwhelmed. So I understand where you're coming from sometimes, Mr. Benja. Um, but nah, man, uh, my week was good, man.

Daredevil Born Again Review

Theo Harvey: I mean, you know, uh, I've been watching daredevil born again. We've talked about this on this pod. We went over the trailer review. Uh, I'm liking it. Mr. Benja. I'm liking it. 

Mr.Benja: Oh, okay. You know, I'm people. There's a lot of buzz going around. A lot of talk. I went back to the hero group and they were all excited.

Like, Hey, man, you gotta get on that. Like, Oh, really? I got to get back on it like that. Like, yeah. Okay. 

Theo Harvey: I can't believe that show came out like 10 years ago. The first time on Netflix. And literally they have the same cast from that show just show up. So I'm not gonna get into spoilers here. Maybe when you watch it, Mr.

Benjamin, we'll maybe do a deep dive or high level, you know, what we do, what we call a deep dive at least into, you know, spoiler [00:02:00] territory. But, uh, I just never forget, I mean, um, Vincent D'Onofrio, that's the name of the actor who plays the kingpin. Oh man. He is, it's a wonderful acting job he is doing with that character, man.

I mean, yes, in Echo he was probably portrayed like a buster, in Hawkeye he was portrayed as a buster, but when you go back to the original series It was amazing what he was doing, man. I just never forget that line. I had to go watch it again the other day. Do you remember at the end? You know, this whole time he thought he was a good force for the city.

So I'm trying to improve it. And then daredevil got him in jail. He was on his way to jail and he was telling the story about the good Samaritan and he was just like, you know, the good Samaritan came by and he said, you know what, I always thought I was a good Samaritan in that story. He said, no. I am the ill intent.

I was the one that fell upon the stranger who was on a road that he should not have been on. I was like, yes, whenever you see a villain, realize he's the villain. That's [00:03:00] the best for me. Embrace that. Brace that son. He was just, I, 

Mr.Benja: I was the ill intent. You know, I might need to jump back on Disney plus for a bit.

So that's. Thank you. Cause, um, I'm just finishing up. 

Arcane Season 2: A Disappointing Sequel?

Mr.Benja: I had to rewatch arcane season two. Um, I don't know if you're on arcane at all or not, but from, from the league of legends video game, it has a surprising amount of lore for a video game. Um, I know all video games have lore, but this has like. Like a lot, like too much.

And I started to go into my minor deep dive and it's like 50, 000 years ago. And I'm like, what, why is, you know, you're just basically clicking on some fools and 

Theo Harvey: could this be a 10 hour YouTube video? 

Mr.Benja: Oh my God. I'm pretty sure there might already be, but the arcane lore is deep, but. Anyway, to the show, um, they ran the first season, [00:04:00] phenomenal, phenomenal imagery, visuals, graphics.

It's an interesting painterly style. You know, it didn't go all the way into like Spider Verse kind of look, but it was very painterly and interesting with a lot of real life camera effects thrown into it that make you feel more connected to these characters. Very emotional, action packed, you know, dynamic.

Colorful with the really good story. And I was like, wow, okay. This is pretty much universally received as awesome in so many different fronts. Season two came on. I was like, boom, I'm back on it. Let's go, man. I have never felt so. Yeah, I was betrayed, man. I, I didn't know what to think about it. I was just like, what is this?

I didn't get it and I fell asleep on it. I fast forwarded through parts. I was like jumping around like, Oh God, why is this happening? And they took some chances that I, I was just really upset with. So I was about to write it off. Like [00:05:00] I wrote off the last Jedi. The first time I saw that. Um, I 

Theo Harvey: was, 

Mr.Benja: I was mad at arcane season two.

I was like, that was the worst. And then, but you know, it's, it hung with me a little bit. I like laid in my bed and stared at the ceiling. I was like, why is that so bad? Then I, I tried to watch it again. I'm like, no, it's still bad. Saw some reviewer. Um, not, not a reviewer reactor. Reacting to arcane season two and they were crying and like, oh my gosh, this is great.

I'm like, okay. Am I just am I just stupid? What's going on here? I got in my Zen took out my yoga mat again Calm down and tried to watch it from a different perspective and I actually got into it Wow I had to completely change the way I thought about everything to actually accept the show. You know, it's like, it's not like you ask for [00:06:00] beef and they give you chicken.

It's not like you ask for sushi and you know, they give you a fish fry. It's, it was beyond different. It's like, Hey, I'm going to ask for cake and they're going to put me in a, uh, you know, on a zipline down the hill. It's like this has nothing to do with cake. You're going down the zipline, son. I'm like, why am I, why am I here?

I don't want to be on a zipline. I just wanted cake saying, you know, it's, it's, so I was on this zipline getting mad at life. And then I had to watch it again. I don't even know if I can call it. Good, but it's just, it's just strange and you really have to stop and accept what it's trying to give you story went all over the place, the characters are all over the place, but it's not even worried about that it's trying to do something else and I can't, you just have to be open to accept it.

Theo Harvey: Maybe, maybe. I mean, kudos to you for, uh, [00:07:00] giving a show what three chances to get your attention. 

Mr.Benja: This 

Theo Harvey: is 

Mr.Benja: a thing that I've, I've seen like art critics do when they look at something and they're like, okay, I don't like it from this point of view. Let me see if I can understand the audience a little better.

They go back and then they look at it again. It's like, okay, well, if you're coming from the graffiti side of things, this makes a little more sense. Okay, if you're coming from the political side of things, it makes sense this way, and you have to keep looking at it from different angles. I was turning Arcane over in my head so many times because I'm like, in the middle of a storyline, they just dropped all references to any of those plot threads and started into a music video in the middle of an episode.

And I'm like, what the f You know, I just, I was just so angry that they had disrupted what I thought a show should be, but they pulled some, they pulled some moves that people are going to be talking about, at least in their community and whoever saw it. 

Theo Harvey: So, but the season one, I [00:08:00] mean, was phenomenal, right?

So I should 

Mr.Benja: definitely, I will tell most people just watch season one and, and be happy with your life at that point. Yeah, I, I, I will, I will not push season two on anybody unless you're some, some weirdo critic who just wants to see interesting things. But 

Theo Harvey: I 

Mr.Benja: still think it, it broke every rule. Like, Oh, you like a character and you expect us to continue their story.

We're going to, we're not going to do that intentionally. Hey, what happened to that guy? We don't know who you're talking about. But he's in the background. What are you talking about? So

Theo Harvey: nah, man. Um, yeah, it's got, uh, I guess the two main actresses that play, I guess the sisters in this show. Um, I love for now, you know, from fallout. The girl that plays in fallout, the TV show. And then, uh, Haley Steinfeld who plays, uh, uh, spider Gwen. So in the beyond the spider verse movie. So, uh, yeah, uh, I heard a [00:09:00] lot about it.

I just haven't got into it. So I'll check it out. You know, me, Mr. Benji, I'm watching more of the. 

Invincible and Gritty Superhero Shows

Theo Harvey: I don't really get into the anime too much, you know, or to the cartoons, but I am loving invincible again, um, back into invincible world. So maybe we'll talk about that too, if you get back on that. But, uh, I mean, I forgot how hard it goes, man.

I read the comics and then when I look at it, I guess, Oh. Oh yeah. This, this show goes hard, man. I mean, anything that, you know, the worst that can happen, it's going to happen on that show, man. They just, they don't give any Fs, man. It's like, dude, you know, uh, things, uh, things that shouldn't happen on screen, they will happen on screen.

I forgot how hard and it's going to get worse. I, I, I saw some other previews. I said, Oh yeah, I did remember that does happen. So, so yeah, man, it's, it's one of those cartoons that just go hard and maybe that's, I mean, you know, we, we kind of dance around this a little bit, but I think that's, what's happening with Marvel because you got shows like the boys, you have [00:10:00] invincible, I mean, it's like, those are like real gritty kind of realistic.

Like. Like, I think we all know, especially in the world we live in now, we realize that if there really were superheroes, this is how they would act like, like invincible, not like the Avengers, unfortunately. Right. Not like Black and Captain American Falcon. And that's, and that's, maybe there's a disconnect now between when the Avengers, when Iron Man first premiered in 08 and now in 2025, where our thoughts of heroes have been warped.

And we just don't believe that anymore on the screen. You know, this, this, 

Mr.Benja: and there's also the, the fact that the people buying into these hero movies and shows are more adult just because it's, it's still us. I mean, we're still watching it and talking about it. It's not like, you know, you used to sit around and somebody would always pipe up.

You can't say that because it's for kids. And it's like, Hmm, is it really, have you seen the numbers? [00:11:00] Who's going to this stuff? Who's, who's it being catered to? And that's even, that's even true for, for toys and collectibles. It's like, you know, you talk about, uh, Funko pops or any popular toys nowadays, and it's like the adult buyer for themselves, you know, way outpaces the, the children buyers and that's, that's a flip flop from a couple decades.

Theo Harvey: Speaking of which I got some Funko pops back there, you know, the kids every time they want to touch it. Don't touch my toys 

Mr.Benja: Do you kids touch something small and plastic and colorful 

Theo Harvey: don't touch my toys man Leave my toys alone. That's the original authentic Darth Vader from Empire Strikes Back 

Mr.Benja: first edition meant to run 

Theo Harvey: Combo guy from Simpsons guys.

Star Wars Discussions and Fan Comments

Theo Harvey: Yes Um, but yeah, so anyway, man, I think it's gonna be interesting to see how this stuff, uh, turns out with these, uh, uh, shows and, and, and cartoons shows, but, uh, man, Mr. Benji, I know we [00:12:00] had, uh, this, we, we, this, uh, kind of a Coming to a regular feature, but maybe we'll talk about more. We just give shout outs to some folks that give us some comments and we'd like to comment on the comment commentators made us what we'll call it.

The comment on the commentators section, but 

Mr.Benja: comment on commentators, 

Theo Harvey: the comment corner. How about that? The comment. The comic corner, this is what we do, right guys, we're going to comment on what you guys talk about. Cause we'll never respond to you probably on YouTube cause we like to talk guys, we like nuance, we like nuance, we like nuance, man.

I mean, let's bring it. So, uh, you brought, you put these up here, what do you want to talk about? 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. So we had wondered in the last episode, if Kathleen Kennedy intentionally stirred the pot in the star Wars fan base with her rollout of the sequel movies, you know, um, seven, eight, nine. And you know, a lot of people said that, well, not a lot of people, [00:13:00] but, um, the word on the internet was that she did.

And Gregory Thompson, five, three, three folks said she ruined it with intention. Watch South park. They pretty much nailed it. And I actually haven't seen that South Park episode. So now I, I want to, I want to check that one out. 

Theo Harvey: I have, I just can't remember all the things that went into it, but it's pretty brutal about what's about her to take on that, but, but it's, it's par for the course.

I do remember that being as a takedown of her and what she wanted to bring to Star Wars, you know, this, um, you know, woke. For lack of a better word, basically, you know, just more inclusion into Star Wars corner of the world, you know And you know what? I mean, look, I think she wasn't wrong because let's before Iger left That was his intention a lot of things right?

He was so adamant read his book right of a lifetime. He talks about that He's like, oh, I'm so proud of the biggest thing I ever done was being able to get a billion dollar franchise for Black Panther, right? And so to him [00:14:00] Inclusion was important factor. Now that he's come back to the Disney phone, all that's out the wide, you know, D.

I. That's bad word now. So he's not gonna, you know, he's a corporate entity at the end of the day. But there was a time where, you know, um, obviously, especially after George Floyd, we talked about this where Everybody was in the bag for diversity, inclusion, right? And all that. And so Kennedy doing that, I think, you know, she was kind of headed the curve.

But then to your point, I think the storytelling, uh, it was too much intention or a agenda behind the storytelling. And so the storytelling got kind of left behind. And that's You can be, you can be inclusive. I mean, there's some great stories that, you know, are, are very inclusive, but, you know, but you know, you don't have to have an agenda behind it, right.

To make, and let that subjugate the storytelling. And I think that's what your point is always. Right. So I do feel like she did let that get to the head and, you know, the acolyte, you know, maybe in case of point a little bit of that, right. Where there was [00:15:00] a lot of interesting things put in there that, uh, didn't work.

So. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, I mean, exactly. Uh, so yeah, we, we talked about that on, um, on a couple of occasions. So listen to that podcast for that. And also, um, another star Wars comment. We like the star Wars commenters. Uh, they seem to be coming through with the good and thoughtful discussion and. From another short we have, we were talking about the difference in the different Star Wars types of movies or trilogies or sagas that they could make in the future that weren't based around Jedi.

And we just threw some ideas, you know, hey, smugglers, we got the bounty hunters, we got the banking clans and the financial stuff. What about the whole politics side of things? That's a whole thing. And we brought that discussion up with Andor. And, uh, you had said that Andor was, you know, really good quality television and it's in the Star Wars [00:16:00] universe and Tara Rose 5650 says, I am all about Andor as the future of Star Wars.

You are so right. I'd like some fighter pilots too, please. And thanks. Very true. We didn't talk about the whole fighter pilot kind 

Theo Harvey: of thing. And you remember that was supposed to be room with a, uh, X Wing show. Remember a movie. Uh, yeah. What was it 

Mr.Benja: called? Rebel? Uh, I see. I forgot. 

Theo Harvey: Oh, yeah. But, uh, yeah, I would love to see something like that.

Like kind of a fighter pilot, you know, top gun type of, uh, you're the, you're the best of the best, you know, we're going to see who wipes out, right? Oh, that's maverick. Oh, no, he's going down. Stay on target. You know, stay on target guy. I will see his origin story. Exactly. Stay on target. Stay on target. 

Mr.Benja: Get out of here.

Wedge. You're no help. 

Theo Harvey: Well, yeah, the wedge would be the, I think it was going to be wedged, wedged Antilles. Is it Antilles? Dang. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Damn good deepest corner of the mind. [00:17:00] But, uh, yeah, man. Um, man, so, so, so she makes a good point too. I want to just say this. She says also, well, I think that was the next point.

We'll talk about that in a second, but I agree, man. There's so many different corners of star wars. We just, we named, you know, the crime syndicate piece. We talked about the political intrigue. Uh, what's the, uh, the other one. So the fire pilots, um, There's so many different angles they could take with Star Wars, right?

It's just like why we keep going back to Jedi and Sif all the time. And, um, you know, this next commenter, or did you want to say something? I was going to 

Mr.Benja: go to the next commenter. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. He, uh, the next commenter, uh, wonder, uh, What's it flow knee for Neum wonderful Neum wonder 

Mr.Benja: flownium, I guess I'll Neum.

Theo Harvey: Thank you wonder flownius

Wonder flownium, sorry, we're getting your name wrong. Did we get it wrong? The Jedi vs. Sith conflict has always been the weakest core element of Star Wars IMO in my opinion literally zero [00:18:00] chance a room for nuance. You can give the Jedi I don't know what that means, but he basically was saying, um, I agree I think because it's such black and white, you know Which I think dave feloni is trying to create like a gray area a little bit with the jedi yeah, like you don't have to be all this all that but then You gotta think from george.

This is always originally a uh a movie Right. That's how George Lucas envisioned it. And so he had to keep it simple. So the bad side is the devil and God. And that's it. There's nothing else. And so you keep it simple. Then now you can put nuance in the characters around those two big poles. So I understand why it's always been about Jedi and Sith, but we are in such an interesting world where there's so much nuance, so many stories that I think we can kind of get away from the Jedi create more nuance in our storytelling.

Um, to, to the commenters point, but that's just my thoughts on it. Any, any other thoughts? So in comic corner or what folks are [00:19:00] saying about star Wars in general? 

Mr.Benja: Nah, man, uh, the love is still alive though. That's what I'm, I'm happy to see, you know, so I got to get back in. I still haven't watched skeleton crew and, uh, and some other stuff.

I haven't, I haven't watched acolyte either, but after watching arcane season two, I can, I'm ready for anything now. 

Theo Harvey: You gave it three times, three chances, not once, not twice, but three times 

Mr.Benja: I am open and all sides of my, my spirit are ready to receive whatever media, good or bad that you would like to send my way.

Theo Harvey: The long dreads and the halo, man, you just looking stately now, man. Oh my goodness. You got to put a little halo up there next, next time we do this. Um, yeah, man. So anyway. 

Mr.Benja: So there's, there's a lot we can, we got to get into and we got to do our trailer. So, uh, I don't know if there's anything random you want to pick out of here.

Theo Harvey: Uh, geez, man, I don't know, man. There's so many craziness going on in the world right now. 

AI Agents and Their Future

Theo Harvey: I mean, do we want to talk a little [00:20:00] bit, uh, about Elon Musk real quick? Um, 

Mr.Benja: yeah, we're going to talk about AI later. So yeah, we can get into it. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Uh, I mean, you know, just the foolishness he's getting into and all that.

I mean, you like Gronk, his AI that he's been put out there. Um, And, uh, is the rumor is, you know, according to these benchmarks, which let's be real, these benchmarks are the A. I. S. Probably have the answer to the test right to kind of, uh, make the most of these benchmarks, but supposed to have the highest scores on the benchmarks.

Uh, and, you know, everyone is kind of is not as tightly filtered. Basically, you know, it's a little bit more freer expression and all that. Uh, there was a little bit more Some, some terms that went around, um, that said that his AI chatbot estimates 75 to 85 percent likelihood Trump is a compromise asset.

So we're talking about, um, Russian leader Putin. Uh, so basically, [00:21:00] uh, Sure. These AI bots are gonna do what they do. Um, I mean, will you be surprised if Trump is that way? I don't think I would, but if he is, there's nothing we can do about it at this point. So it's like, thanks for telling us, chat bot. 

Mr.Benja: What's, uh, what's funny is like Grok, just, all right, so.

You know how you go to a, uh, a convention and you talk to a company and they kind of sound, the representatives kind of sound like the company they're referencing, right? They're representing. So, you know, you go to Electronic Arts. Hi, we're Electronic Arts. We're a publisher of many video games, the Madden series, Battlefield, blah, blah, blah.

We're great and awesome. Like, all right, cool, man. You go over to, you know, the Capcom booth. Hi, we're Capcom of America. We're here to, you know, promote our new Street Fighter game, blah, blah, blah. And we make good games. Thank you very much. But you go to something like the rockstar booth, you know, they're not even like talking to you.

They're like, hey [00:22:00] man, want a, want a little refreshment, you know, take out a soda from a, just, it's like, wait, what is this? And they're just talking real. That's kind of what grok is like to me. I ask grok questions and it's like, yeah, look, you don't have to worry about X, Y, and Z. Let's just assume, cause I had asked her for links on this one thing.

And it said, listen, you don't have to go through all these links and everything. We can just assume that this and this is the case. If you want to look that up or you have links to send me, do that. And I was like, 

Laugh: wait, what? 

Mr.Benja: It didn't want to cite a source. So it was just like, listen, we know that this is how physics works, right?

So we don't need to go find some paper. And I was kind of like, 

Theo Harvey: we all agree. I was kind of 

Mr.Benja: like, yeah, you're right. I was asking you, I was asking you about a pens again. I was asking you like, well, Hey, if you store a pin like this, is it going to be more in this? And this, are there any papers? Cause it was like, listen, here's how physics works and here's how pins going to work.

So anyway, Grok is [00:23:00] just, it talks more like, this might be a bad reflection of me, but it kind of talks the way I want to hear. And AI talk. I'm like, I like this guy.

I don't even like your name. I don't like the site you come from, you know, but as I'm going through the AI, it's like, listen, here's how we're going to break it down. Uh, we're going to give you this, this now I assume you meant this. So I'm going to give you some bullet points. Now, in case you're wondering how I came up with this, here's blah, blah, blah.

And I'm like, this is how I would expect. Like, dare I say, a normal human to answer a question as opposed to, you know, being GPT. It's like, Hi, searching, searching. This is my answer. And it's perfectly okay. Here's some links and sources. I'm like, I got here with it. 

Theo Harvey: Does it ask you annoying thing at the end?

Like cloud or open AI now where they're saying, Hey, so, so it's, do you want us to do this next? You know, like super helpful. That, that gets annoying. Yeah. They're 

Mr.Benja: [00:24:00] a little phishing schemes, information out of you. And like, let me get some more data on my users by asking an innocuous question. Right. It's grunt doing 

Theo Harvey: that too for you, for me.

Mr.Benja: Does that, but. I kind of don't mind because as I said, the way it talks, talks is kind of cool. It's a, it's a guy I can kind of talk to and chat with. And it'll, it'll let you know, man. It's like, Hey, listen, you can find this with the regular search, man. You don't need to waste my time on, you know, 

Theo Harvey: is that that to you?

Mr.Benja: It's it never says anything direct like that. I'm just kind of paraphrasing, but yeah, it will let you know. It's like. Hey, listen, if you want safer search results, there are other, there are other AI bots out there, but I'm just going to give you what I'm seeing here and what the people are saying over here.

I'm just going to give it to you as I see it. I'm real. 

Theo Harvey: So when this Gronk is giving you that raw uncut, is that what we're saying? 

Mr.Benja: Yo man, Grok's [00:25:00] real. I'm just saying. 

Theo Harvey: Uncut. That 3am. Uncut. 

Mr.Benja: No, but for real though, he actually formats and breaks things down extremely nicely. He's just a very cool dude. 

Theo Harvey: What, okay.

Which is, I'm gonna try it out, man. I've been, you know, I, I went ahead and put some extra money in just to see how this $200 reasoning model works. Uhhuh open ai, a deep research. It's okay. . It's okay. And then, you know, Sora, I think we're playing around with that. That's okay. So it's just like, um. I mean, look, we're talking about air.

Let's just get into it, man. I mean, um, Oh, real quick. Yeah. Make sure, 

Mr.Benja: make sure you try out grok with scientific stuff. It's, you could tell this was made by coders and engineers. It will not give you the socially acceptable result. It's like, um, let's think about this as a binary tree, how the audience is going to be like, [00:26:00] what I just asked for it to give me a, it starts talking science and numbers and math real fast.

Oh, wow. Okay. 

Theo Harvey: But it's still cool, dude. It's still cool, dude, just a little, you know, like you said, that's the, that's the, that's the guy on the corner trying to give you the real deal. Like, look, I know you're in school, school books of physics. Come out here to the corner. I'll give you real physics. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah.

Theo Harvey: That's, that's differential 

Mr.Benja: equations, man. I do that in my head. RDRR and all that. 

Theo Harvey: Let's go. Um, Yeah. So let's talk about it. So I think, um, with AI artificial intelligence, you know, you saw that the latest model, uh, came out from, um, open AI 4. 5, right. And it's supposed to be the most, the most expensive model ever and does all this stuff.

But people have been over underwhelmed by it, man. They're saying the benchmarks. Yeah, it's kind of hitting the benchmarks, but it's nothing surprising. Chat 

Mr.Benja: GPT. 

Theo Harvey: You were talking about? Yeah, chat GPT, open AI's, chat GPT, latest version 4. 5 just got released. Like I think it was last [00:27:00] week and it was so underwhelming.

You're like, this is a major model release. It's not like, you know, a little mini version or a reasoning model. That basic reason miles basically just a version of the chat GPT, LLM large language model. That's just. Giving you little pieces of explanations, right? Say, Hey, this is what I'm thinking. This is what I assume you mean, that kind of stuff.

Or agents, right? Which is something that, you know, it's pretty started become a table stakes for a lot of these, uh, AI companies. But this new model is supposed to be the best model ever, right? Most expensive and all that. And it was so underwhelming. And people are saying, you know, this hype train That, um, Sam Altman and open AI has, has put us on saying that we're, we're going to get, uh, artificial general intelligence or AGI.

Oh, by next two, three years. Right. And people are like cap

because if this is the best you can do at this point, and it's not magnitudes, it's not an order of magnitude when the order of magnitude, [00:28:00] like 10 X, right, what it was before, then it's like, how are you ever going to get to that point? And is that a leap that's just too far for us to get to because we don't even understand what that looks like.

And so I think, um, and then we already seen that once a newer model is out there, everyone else is just going to steal it and create their own models. It's just a smart pretty quickly. Right. And so with deep, what was it? Deep Seek R1. Right. They got. High benchmark ratings because they were able to use. I forgot the name of the, uh, uh, what they do to kind of get the latest information.

But basically, they, they, they look at the, uh, inputs and outputs and kind of follow what the superior model gives it and it just Transcribed mimics that to learn how to be like the master. So we'll find cheaper model. They already said that some of the models out there that's already as smart as the 4.

5, the open AI had just put out there. So I think, you know, um, the hype train of AGI being, [00:29:00] um, in our, you know, Coming next week, right? It's just not going to happen. And so now we're seeing things get into, well, Hey, how about these agents? You know, you want, you want AI to, you know, it'd be cool. Was that scene from, uh, what's that?

Uh, the Facebook movie, you know, it'd be cool. Yeah. Yeah. Social network, you know, you know, it'd be cool. A billion people, you know, something like that. It's just, you know, it'd be cool having AI. Get your airplane ticket for you. Wouldn't that be cool? So we're seeing these new models come out with these agent models, um, trying to keep the hype train going right.

And why you want to buy it. And I'm not impressed. Mr. Benji. I mean, I've been kind of experimenting with them. You know, I think in some cases we talked about that. I'm using it in some, some ways to kind of summarize day a little bit faster or kind of, you know, going, you know, going through it where I can kind of use it from a brainstorming standpoint, but these agents, man, I don't know if I trust them enough, right?

[00:30:00] You really have to kind of watch them to make sure that he's doing exactly what you want and kind of, it takes a while to fine tune it, get it where you want to. 

Mr.Benja: So let me ask this. Somebody is thinking, you know, Hey, listen, I'm subscribed to, uh, Whatever service 20 a month, 40 a month, you know, 200 a month.

Even this is my AI service. Where do you get the big change in value? When someone says, I have AI agents and they're starting at 20, 000 a month. Is it a month? I'm sorry, a year or a month. 

Theo Harvey: a month. 

Mr.Benja: I just had to make sure because I'm charging 20, 000 a month. You should really come over here. What is the, what is the value proposition there?

What are people getting for that? 

Theo Harvey: Man, that's a good question, man. I mean, so what we're talking about open AI has just put it out there that they're thinking about. Different levels of AI [00:31:00] agents, right? Different price tiers. Uh, I think you said one, they said it's going to be 2, 000 a month, where it's kind of like a higher level of knowledge worker.

So basic tasks, like maybe some Excel documentation. So basically go to Excel sheet and maybe create some, some graphs and charts for you automatically. Um, or next level is like a high level, like engineer. So 10, 000 a month where they're actually coding for you and kind of putting together a massive amount of code and delivering that.

And then the highest levels, 20, 000 would be a PhD level, PhD researcher that's putting together stuff. Uh, Mr. Benja, you're right. I don't, because I think the challenge with these AI agents. is you still need, um, human beings to kind of manage that process. And so, what, you're going to pay the AI 20, 000 to do a Ph.

D. level, but then you need someone who at least understands Ph. D. level to manage that process to make [00:32:00] sure it's accurate. So, 

Mr.Benja: yeah, so, um, And I, I guess I'm hearing that, you know, you've got, well, there are two sides to it, obviously, you know, if you hire somebody for 10, 000 a month, like, you know, they're saying that's how much it'll be worth to you, you know, it's like, Hey, if I could just hire a programmer, I still have to direct that programmer, we still have to have meetings, we still have to do all this, um, You know, so if I ask it, Hey, listen, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to make this game.

It needs to have 16 levels and dah, dah, dah, can you give me a, you know, so I could see it like if it was a person and didn't know this agent was a person or whatever, you'd have a constant back and forth. It's remembering all of your conversations. You know, if you said, Hey, what did we talk about last week?

And it could recount all that information. I'm just trying to think it. If I equate agent to [00:33:00] actual person, then it starts to make a little sense. It's like if I had a, a, uh, a basketball. And I sent it my videos or whatever, like, Hey, listen, here's my shot. And here's my form and everything. Talk to me, agent, coach, coach, agent, you know, and he's like, Hey, listen, you know, your, your arm is drooping a little bit.

You need to have confidence and follow through with your elbow, get that thing up and keep it up. And it's like, okay, I don't know, but that's what I'm starting to imagine. When you start getting into those types of numbers where you have an actual job. That's being done by this agent. 

Theo Harvey: But I mean, you know, what's, what's a job though.

Right. I mean, jobs always evolve based on the human being that does it. And so if you have an agent that's doing, you know, what it's been programmed to do, can they evolve from that? Sure. If you have another human being that's thinking about how they follow that job, right. And so if it's doing that job, you're telling it, okay, you know, you do this so well that.

There's another [00:34:00] component of this where there was a human being that that the interchange may happen a little bit faster because they're actually doing a job. You said, you know what, this is a better way to do it. Or this is something else that evolved. I was original task right now. Not all the cases.

Some human human beings are not that great at, you know, doing better at their job for lack of a better word. But I always believe that human beings had the capacity to kind of see other patterns and things faster than maybe the A. I could write because the A. I. Is only kind of The parameters around was delivering, you know, there may be some other insights that come out of that, right?

As they're kind of delivering it. And so they, and to your point, maybe they do find them and they just put them to the side and then you review that later with the AI and say, you know what? Go down that path instead. I don't know if they can do to that level from an AI agent, you know, kind of like a recording of the job task.

And they say, Hey, this is something I did that I've thought about, but I'm not going to do that because it's takes me off a beaten path. But, you know, if you want to look at that, explore it. So, um, I still think there will have [00:35:00] to be a human in a play there. Someone made a good point. I was listening to a podcast.

They said, you know, it's the challenge is going to be the human element because you need, you know, just like with human beings, you need a manager or someone that kind of, you know, manage that project, that process. And so you're gonna have a human beings and you're gonna have Agents, you have a manager that's got to manage both.

So they need to understand how that that infrastructure is going to be built. If you're trying to do an enterprise level and that's going to be difficult, that's going to be interesting to see. I don't think we have the tools yet to understand that because we haven't deployed enough agents at a high enough level, you know.

Mr.Benja: Yeah. And, uh, and then on the other hand, I also wonder, and this, I guess, uh, a little bit of behind the scenes, baseball or whatever. I wonder how many people behind the scenes. In the, under the hood of how this all works. Like if you have a, you know, a health agent or a coach [00:36:00] agent or whatever, is there an actual health professional or coach professional sitting behind some desks at open AI offices?

You know, who's kind of going over stuff like, holy crap, I don't believe he said that. Uh, let me fix this up. Or, you know, let me direct the. The A. I. A little bit this way. So you have a human on the other side. I wonder if part of it, what you're paying for is that kind of facilitation, you know, on the back end, real people back there to 

Theo Harvey: good point.

I mean, um, I'm looking at this, uh, article, right? Uh, it says, um, It says, in November, we explained how researchers at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory have been using OpenAI's O1 model to solve questions related to nuclear fusion. Presumably, that reflects a PhD level of intelligence or something close to it.

And so, um, You know, having those levels of intelligence is important, certain job [00:37:00] and they find use of it. I don't know, you know, what level they're finding useful. This is not doing his own research and coming back and creating a paper, right? Research. I'm sure. But maybe, you know, taking some of the math off the task of the researchers, right?

To kind of come up with something more insightful. But they said the other thing too, if you look at it as, um, Uh, the, the, the development piece of it, they're still trying to figure out how they can, um, work out the pricing right in the industry. Some companies are stuffing AI features in the app bundles, like workspace and office 365 and just increasing the price.

So, you know, it was a copilot, Microsoft copilot, stuff like that, while others are charging for AI features only when they solve a task. That's kind of interesting. You know, that could be another model. And it finally says, Devin, the code coding tool created by startup cognition costs around 500 month for Cody agent similar to what opening I hopes to launch.

So they charge 500 month and it just does some coding assignments for you [00:38:00] and go from there. So, um, I don't know, man. It's just, uh, it's moving so fast. It's hard to kind of figure out. I don't think we have the capacity yet to understand how to use these tools right efficiently. As soon as we kind of think we understand there's a new way of using them.

I knew that. And I think that's the challenge. We're gonna need AI to help us understand how to use AI. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, exactly. Um, that's, that's very interesting too. Um, one thing I do know though, I'm, I'm reading through this RS Technica article, um, and one, one line that it, it says is, uh, You know, and you were, you know, you're reflecting this to, um, the approach ostensibly mirrors how human researchers spend time thinking about complex problems rather than providing immediate answers.

AI's Unique Contextualization Challenge

Mr.Benja: According to OpenAI, the more time you put into this interface time compute, the better answers you get. For 20, 000, a customer would presumably be buying tons of thinking time for the AI model to work on difficult problems. Let [00:39:00] me extrapolate what that meant into creative humanistic speak. 

Human vs. AI: Context and Imagination

Mr.Benja: Um, humans are unique in a couple of different ways.

And one of the ways that we are unique in terms of us versus AI and robots and computers is we can contextualize and like see things from different perspectives. So, you know, if you're inside a kitchen. It's like make something happen. And, you know, you start going through your drawers and finding out what kind of, uh, utensils you have, how many plates do you have?

It's like, okay, I can do a dinner for four. We got some steak in the here freezer. And you start from the information thinking about what you can do. You know, computers will have a much harder time with that. They're like, uh, am I supposed to be fast? Am I supposed to be, you know, it just doesn't have as much.

It doesn't get as much from context and combine that with, um, storytelling and imagination. You know, a human can [00:40:00] actually run a quick simulation in their head. It's like, Huh, if I go outside and punch somebody in the mouth, that might not be a good idea. You know, I'm imagining computers at this 20, 000 level or, you know, are being tasked with, you know, running these little simulations and figuring out like how a, how a human figures things out.

If that makes any sense. 

AI's Storytelling and Simulation Abilities

Mr.Benja: So it's starting to tell its own stories. It's starting to, um, build up these contexts. It's starting to run simulations. It's starting to imagine things that it wasn't necessarily asked to imagine in order to provide an answer or a response that makes sense to humans and would be desired.

A lot of times they're not really doing that. They're just kind of grabbing stuff from what already exists without doing that with our technical article calls, think time or. Inter, inference, time, compute. Yeah. 

Theo Harvey: Man, 

Mr.Benja: it's, sorry, my, uh, my, my college blabber jumped out there for a [00:41:00] second. I dunno if that means, I dunno if that made sense.

Theo Harvey: it's, it, I kind of get a sense of what you're kind of hinting at here. I mean, it's like I said, man, it's, it's, it's moving pretty fast here. And so, um. I'm just curious to see where we're just going to take us. 

The Human Element in AI Integration

Theo Harvey: I mean, you know, and I always think about the human element when it comes to these things, right?

It's just like, because as an entrepreneur, I'm fascinated by them because I'm like, hmm, could I replace team members, you know, to do this? And, you know, could I move faster and getting products out? But then also there's the human element that I deal with every day, where it's just like a lot of communication, a lot of optimizing human beings to get the most out of it.

And then you realize, hmm. AI is very similar in that regard and even more so because we don't even understand at least somewhat you can kind of understand what motivates a human being AI was motivating it or what? Because we don't program. We don't especially these closed systems, right? Like, like, uh, Yeah.

Open AI, which is a closed system, proprietary [00:42:00] system. We don't know what they're putting into the algorithm to make it do what it does. Right. And so I think that's always the risk take. And there's so many AI companies, man. I just saw one the other day that just like, Hey, you got data you want to build.

Uh, AI product around your data. Give us a call. I was like, what? Sure. Let's see what y'all can do. I mean, it's just like, you know, I mean, Hey, just put AI shingle, man. And you got it going on, I guess, man. Cause that's where the money's at. I guess, man. But it's just like, it's someone who's in this is like, man, this is.

Was it there, there? I mean, I see some usefulness for it. I see some, you know, summarization, sure. Spell checks, sure. Some fast way to kind of do some searches. Sure. Brainstorming time. Sure. But it's just like, what's the killer app where it's like, you know, I, look, I push a button and I wanted to, you know, write a book or like you said, just do this task without a lot of talking back.

No, [00:43:00] that's, 

Mr.Benja: that's the thing I think that's interesting is that. It's not the just spit something out. You know, if you ask for, Hey, let me get a book about this and that and that. And, you know, give me the outline of the first chapter and you're like, okay, um, can we change this to, you know, instead of, uh, instead of two brothers, two neighbors, you know, from different families.

And it's like, okay. And it changes the book on the fly. You know, you start it. I think the interesting part is actually talking to it, just having somebody really competent, probably maybe more competent than you, that gives you a good back and forth as opposed to a Uh, what do you mean by? It's like, Hey, listen, I got 18 examples.

Let's discuss what we can do with these, you know, I don't know, because you think 

Theo Harvey: the better idea comes out of that, that discussion, that conflict to kind of, you know, level up the idea in essence, right? Okay. I think there's some about, uh, validity in that. I mean, you know, if you trust, you know, what the AI is telling you, that's the challenge, right?

You [00:44:00] know, I mean, it's always a challenge with human beings, but at least, you know, you're paying a human being. Yeah. So, you know, they're, they're, they're the alignment, they're aligned to, to making sure you're successful. 

AI Alignment and Business Risks

Theo Harvey: The AI may not be aligned, you know, they talked about that. I forgot what it's called, but alignment is a big term in AI where, you know, the goals of the AI is aligned to the human being human race, right?

Because if it's not, then, you know, what they're, what they'll do is something that would. Uh, for the goals of the programming kill off the human race, right? That's what the fear is for AI, but it's definitely not aligned to your goals as a company, right? Or your goals as entrepreneur, if you're trying to build it and that's a challenge.

So it's like, yes, you know, it's good to have brainstorming ideas and stuff, but just to make you feel better and keep paying, they may hallucinate and give you some false information, right? So it's not actually sourced.

So it's like, you know, say, um, You know, which could be detrimental to your business. I used the AI and it told me I could sell drugs in the street for like five bucks. You guys [00:45:00] telling me that's not true? No, sir. You're going to jail. 

Mr.Benja: Well, hopefully for 20, 000 that a little bit of that might be, you know, pulled back.

Theo Harvey: Well, you know, anyway, Mr. Bridget, I mean, uh, can we move on? 

Algorithm Influence on Information Consumption

Theo Harvey: I was, this kind of segues into the algorithm conversation that, you know, Yeah, let's bang out the algorithm 

Mr.Benja: talk right quick. 

Theo Harvey: Well, because A. I. Right. You know, it's kind of replacing search engines, right? Because people are kind of going there first to kind of get something.

And because it's so quick and fast and give me some simple samples, you think, Oh, wow, this is accurate. And this is very similar. So we're letting the algorithm or basically, uh, A. I. Engine that's been created by a private company can dictate what is the correct answer to us without any other due diligence, right?

Very few people even look at the sources. Sometimes they just say, Oh, chat GPT said this, put this on the homework and turn it in. And so that's the next level of this, which is the [00:46:00] stream level. We've already had this for a while, Mr. Benja with. Uh, the I. G. Stories, you know, the infinite scroll. Very few people are leaving that environment to actually go on Google anymore to search things and to kind of really think through.

Is this a valid thing? I need to look at to kind of, in essence, curate their own kind of search experience. They just Rather be on I. G. or some other source and just kind of look at what the algorithm is feeding them right based on what you watched before and that could be a problem. 

Mr.Benja: No, no, yeah, no, it totally is a problem and it's getting worse.

So my question is how bad of a problem is it before we catch ourselves? And do we ever catch ourselves? 

The Problem with Algorithmic Echo Chambers

Mr.Benja: Because if you've got an algorithm that says, I like to hunt, um, I'm right wing and you know, it's got all these other little factors that it's defined me as. So, okay, boom, I'm the algorithm. I know the person [00:47:00] likes to hunt.

I know he likes Mago, whatever, and he's right wing. Okay. So I'm going to show him all the stuff that agrees with that. And suddenly, you know, if we're, In an argument or something, or we're trying to debate something, the algorithm could start feeding me. I don't want to say misinformation, but bad information that doesn't necessarily promote my cause.

It just makes me feel better and more. I'm happier about the results I'm getting because, Oh, look, this, this, uh, survey said that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I know I'm right. And it's like. Where'd that survey come from? Doesn't matter. Was the survey ever debunked? Doesn't matter. Was there a follow up survey?

Uh, there were seven follow up surveys, but we're only going to respond to the one that makes the most sense for you as the most salacious. So yeah, that I'm worried about that. Cause that's a, that's a problem I'm already seeing where people were like, uh, this video said, I'm like, dude, that videos you've seen this.

Where, [00:48:00] where somebody says something and they respond with a video link to YouTube. That was a political event 17 years ago. That's not talking about this current election. You know what I mean? 

Theo Harvey: Well, I have it with my daughter all the time. She's telling me it's like, you know, she's 13 years old, right. On the internet a little bit, which that's a whole nother conversation saying things as inaccurate all the time and with such.

Confidence, because, you know, what she saw on the internet or what she saw on YouTube or Instagram, you know, validates, you know, her worldview. Well, you know, this is how, no, this is it. Wait a minute, hold up. Who are you? You're 13 years old. What do you know? And what's the source for that? So I'm always, you know, challenging the kids to kind of push back and create those critical thinking skills.

And I think you're right. I think. It's, it's, it's, it's going away, man. I think people are not thinking through. I mean, even we get caught up in that. Sometimes I'll forward something, not really doing the research and then coming to find out is, you know, I shouldn't have forwarded that. That was not accurate.

And it's hard to [00:49:00] kind of do that because you just, you know, not human beings. Yeah, let's be honest. We're lazy by nature. And so it's like, what's the fastest, most efficient way to get this information out so I can feel good about myself and what I share with my friends? 

Curated vs. Algorithmic Content

Theo Harvey: And, um, but the thing is that I saw this, um, YouTube video, um, it came out, um, about how algorithms are breaking how we think.

And, uh, it was by, um, Uh, what's it called? Uh, I'm trying to think of the, uh, YouTuber that put this out here. I can't remember his name right here, right now. Let me pull it up real quick. I wanna give him credit so we can get it right. Oops. Technology connections. He's got 2.73 million subscribers. Uh, I was, I found him through another person, and so the algorithm gave me his con, well, the algorithm didn't give me his content.

I had to go search for it. So that, that was another thing I thought was interesting. The algorithm that let, didn't pull this up after I watched this other creator. The other creator mentioned this guy, but, uh, so he made a good point though. He said, you know, just anecdotally, if you [00:50:00] go look at YouTube, you know, YouTube has a for you page, just like all the other social media.

So that's the algorithm pumping stuff to you. But YouTube forever has always had that subscriptions feature at the bottom where you click on that. Everything you subscribe to, people you subscribe to will always pop up. And that's a more curated experience. These are people you subscribe to, you trust. So you can just watch only their feeds.

But there's a, he did a search and he saw that only 3 percent of people select that subscription feature. Now that could also be related to, they may not know where it is, but it's pretty simple to find is literally right here at the bottom of your YouTube, the bottom of your phone, right? To kind of put that subscription feature.

And, but he said, the majority of people rather choose the for you or what the algorithm is pushing them to actually create something that's unique and different, uh, or excuse me, specific to what they trust, the sources they trust, the people they trust, because That dopamine of finding something new and interesting [00:51:00] is always what you're chasing for.

And so I think, you know, we're going to see more of that where curated experiences will not be the norm anymore. It would just be more, uh, you know, algorithmic. Information dumped our way. I mean, are you, are you, are you, I know you're more about curation and stuff. Are you seeing that in how you look at Twitter or blue sky or these other tools?

Are you kind of always, or even threads even, right? They have, they have the two features, right? The, the, it's 

Mr.Benja: really, it's really frustrating because just because. I go off on a tangent or I want to see what everybody else is up to, man. It's like, I'm I'm I've got my, my stuff zoned in on Instagram. I'm like, boom, I got these gurus.

Boom. I got these arts. Boom. I got this motivational boom. I got, you know, down the list and suddenly, you know, I have a few workout people in there [00:52:00] and all of a sudden I'm watching this video. Of a, of a, you know, a dude helping this young lady on the pull up bar. And I'm like, huh, who's that young lady?

Next thing you know, my, my feed is done. And I'm like, but I just did, it was 20 minutes, 20 minutes versus my 20 days of curation and 20 minutes of the pull up bars. And now my feed is messed up. 

Theo Harvey: That's how it is. YouTube too, man. I mean, I was, I was like, I need to learn more about poker. I want to teach the kids about thinking, math skills, and Now I'm getting up a poker

Yeah, he was Fan stars, you know is ready to sell you fan do right, you know start today I mean, it's just like crazy man, or you know, or you go down religious then you get all these religious guys go down this You know, it's just, uh, you know, I saw some daredevil stuff. So that's all I get is daredevil now, you know, it's just like, 

Mr.Benja: so I haven't been on Tik TOK in a while or is there algorithm [00:53:00] still like top tier?

Just, 

Theo Harvey: I wouldn't know, man. I'm not on there either, man. We stopped. Uh, putting information out there on my, my tick tock. I couldn't even tell you. I haven't looked at my tick tock in so long, but yeah, we, yeah, we kind of gave up on it too, but, uh, I'm sure it is trash. I'm sure it's trash. I don't know, but I'm sure it is.

Uh, so like, yeah, that's the worst. Right. I mean, run by the Chinese company. Uh, but true story that think TikTok, uh, just released their own kind of react language version, right? You know, so if you, you know, like JavaScript versioning and so it's like supposed to be really good. And so I read that I'm kind of getting into more development understanding that better, but yeah, I don't know why.

Maybe that's interesting. Maybe that's part of the secret plan to kind of, you know, edge in, you know, you'll get into the core to the guts of infrastructure with more development, you know, features and stuff like that with, uh, you know, we already know what they do with [00:54:00] CapCut and all that kind of stuff.

Right. So, um, yeah, anyway, so make a long story short, I haven't been on TikTok, man, so I couldn't tell you. 

Mr.Benja: All right. So yeah, the thing I'm worried about, man, I guess this is my question is, you know, are we in control? Simple answer is no. No, not really. But then the deeper question is how much control have we actually lost already?

Because we know it's, we know where we're going and it's like, it's just getting weird for me, man. Um, I'm trying to, I'm over here trying to do all the sleeping, priming, damn near self hypnosis kind of techniques. 

Theo Harvey: Journaling your future self. Yeah, I hear you, man. I hear, I wrote, literally wrote this. I said, we live in a world.

I wrote this today. We live in a world and you proactive to guide your thoughts and your actions. You have to watch what you, you have to be careful what you watch, how you watch it. Why do you watch it? You have to be so [00:55:00] intentional because if you're not, I mean, you're doing stuff. Sometimes you're like, why am I, I'm just doing this, right?

But you're like, wait a minute, what am I doing this for? And if you don't, you will be in that rabbit hole. And he looked like 10 years had gone by and you're like, nothing was done. They didn't get anything done in my life. 

Mr.Benja: Or, you know, you're all off in somewhere. How, how did I end up here? You know, I'm trying, I'm trying to program my sleep now, really, man.

Like that whole end of night routine. I do this, I watch something and wake up and, you know, listen to a certain songs before I go to bed and when I wake up, listen to them again. So I program myself, I'm just trying to make sure that I don't get, you know, caught up in the matrix. I didn't want to use the phrase, but that's the best thing I can think of.

Theo Harvey: I mean, is that, you know, people are saying, Oh, I'm not being red peeled and not being red pilled. Don't get red pilled, but guess what? You are already. The algorithm has already made you that way. And, but, but you know what? 

The Impact of Habits and Algorithms

Theo Harvey: I think habit, I read an article too, that talked about habits. You know, there's so many things we do.

80 percent of our day is. Full of habits that we don't even know why we do it. Like what [00:56:00] hand do you brush your teeth with? Right. That's a habit that you haven't think about. Right. Or, you know, why do you do certain things? Like you said, I drink a glass of water every time I wake up. Why did I do that? You know, it's just, it's so programmed in you and that's habits you built over, over a lifetime.

Imagine new habits you built. Cause I'm, you know, like we're old, we're older. So we remember a time when you had to. Do more work to go on the internet, right? You had to curate your own experience. You had to go Google search. I remember being in your room. You got, 

Laugh: you 

Theo Harvey: got, go ahead. I remember searching some, some, some, some crazy videos sometimes on your, on your computer and I've been there 20 minutes.

I'm like, Oh, Mr. Bench is about to come. Hurry up, computer, hurry up. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's coming to the door, turn the computer off. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, man, we had limited time, limited download speeds. And if you were at home, I remember my dad would kick me out the house. And, uh, you know, he just like, [00:57:00] all right, son, get in the yard.

Don't come back in here for an hour. And it's just like, all right, now I got to figure something out. I got to do something with myself. Exactly. 

Theo Harvey: So it's just, yeah, man, it's just one of those things where, um, uh, Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think, you know, this is kind of like the old guys on the lawn, you know, get out my lawn kids, you know, you don't understand it's going to be the end of the world.

I mean, I can kind of feel myself. Yeah. You know, but as a person who has kids, right. Who's worried for their concern, I just feel like, look. If they could just think a little bit more, I guarantee it don't have to be that much more. Now. I don't think the baseline is going to be like this, man. It's like, you know, it's going to be so lower to how you think critically that if they could just think like 5 percent better, they'll probably be better than 90 percent of the people out there.

And that's all my goal is just making them like, read more, think more. And then if that can give them this, that 5 percent edge, the vast majority of people are going to be like this and it's going to get [00:58:00] worse. You know, there's a movie called, uh, what's it called? Uh, the accuracy. Yeah. Where, you know, the guy fell asleep for like 500 years and he woke up and, uh, human race had gotten so dumb.

That he be, he was average intelligence. He wasn't super smart. He would became the most smartest man on the planet. And, you know, because there was so much automation, technology and stuff like that, that, you know, it was very crass though. They said people, you know, got very crass. I don't know, man. I feel like there, there is that level happening where yes, they're going to have some intelligence around how to find, you know, how, you know, find the best beauty.

No, not. I'm not gonna get them. They're gonna be some talents. Let's just say that. I don't know. Maybe how to edit a video. I don't know that will never pick up, you know, they can do a video like edit like 20 seconds. But the skills that we thought were important in our society, you know, I don't know if they're gonna be, you know, as transferable.

So, 

Mr.Benja: yeah, um, [00:59:00] don't don't feed a Don't feed Gatorade to the plants. They'll die. 

Theo Harvey: You remember. Okay. Mr. Benjamin, uh, shoot. 

Trailer Talk: The Last of Us Season 2

Theo Harvey: You want to get into these trailers? 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, man. Um, let's get into a trailer. Let's let's do the last of us. Uh, first, so, um, So yeah, this is our little trailer segment. It's a little fun thing we like doing nowadays, but we just got this release before we started recording.

So I'm happy that we were on for this one. Last of us, the video game had a phenomenal first season live action. A lot of people really dug it. Um, I jumped out at some point because I'm a hater, but 

Theo Harvey: I liked it. I liked it. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, yeah, it's a good, good little play the 

Theo Harvey: game. I was amazed about how, yeah, how, um, I mean, especially that first, uh, episode, it was good.

Yeah. That, that and the game were very similar. It was like, almost like worth, you know, literally almost the same thing. And that was pretty [01:00:00] awesome. 

Mr.Benja: Well, you know, I'm, I'm coming out of my pure hater phase and I can. I can, I can hate from other perspectives now, so I may go back and watch this, uh, first season again and then watch the second season if I can, if I can do it with arcane, I can do it with anything.

Theo Harvey: Yes, you can. 

Mr.Benja: All right. So the last of a season two trailer, um, I don't know anything about what they're going for. I don't know anything about what they're trying. You haven't heard anything about this, have you? 

Theo Harvey: No, no, no, no, not at all. I mean, you know, I kind of have a little inkling about some stuff, but I didn't watch the trailer yet.

Okay, 

Mr.Benja: cool. Um, well, let's just get into it and we're going to start to play in 3, 2, 1, play.

All right. Plan started 9 99 a month. 

Theo Harvey: Still on by him. Nope. I mean, I, I, I don't look, do you know what happens in the next? Video game version of last of us. No, I don't. Okay. Okay. I know a little something [01:01:00] So, but it's kind of interesting how they kind of promote this so but we'll talk about maybe later when it comes out But overall, yeah, I'm super excited about it.

I mean, you know, it's so funny Jeffrey, right? Yeah He was in the The sequel of the game too. So it's kind of funny. They're bringing him into the lab. Actually laughed at that. Yeah, that too. Uh, and because the young lady who played the military leader in the first season, she was from the video game, the same actress, you know, with the voice and everything.

So luckily she was able to portray the same character in the, in the, in the TV show and Jeffrey Wright. I mean, you know, he's still Jeffrey Wright. So they said, come on, come on, bro. Come on into the show. So, uh, so it's going to be interesting to see what he does in it. But yeah, man, um, I mean, no, it's, I mean, these are good.

Mr.Benja: It's just, it seemed like more of the same to me. So I was just like, all right. Not that I was mad at it. I'm just like, all right. Um, for whatever reason, the first season, while, while quality, [01:02:00] it's like. I didn't find enough of an overarching story plot that kind of said, here's why she watched. It's just, it was, it was this tale of two people, it seemed, and I'm like, I'm, I'm cool with that, but that's not what, it didn't really draw me in.

A tale 

Theo Harvey: of two people. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, um, isn't that like the video game? No, you play them different versions, right? You play her for a little bit, you play him for a little bit, right. In the video game, I never played the video. So, but to me, that was amazing. It was like, They're trying to, I could tell there was a scene when she was kind of by herself in the episode.

I said, oh, this must be the version where you played her . Yeah. I was like, what happened to the guy ? Oh this, this is the game part me. And that was amazing how they kind of tried to intersect that. So, you know the, we talked about that. The guy who did Chernobyl, he's writing this with the help of the guy. I think it's Druckman.

I can't remember his name. 

Mr.Benja: So this is different from the first. Season writer. No, it's the same folks. Okay. Same folks. 

Theo Harvey: So it's the creator of the video game. And, um, the [01:03:00] showrunner is by a guy who, who knows how to write episodic television. So they get together. And so they kind of make changes to make sure it makes sense from a television standpoint, because, you know, when you're playing the video game is a totally different experience because you are the character, right?

Now, 

Mr.Benja: aside from Resident Evil, I can't think of any, I'm sure there are, you know, uh, video game to live action, um, series that have, Resident Evil is not really a series, I guess. I guess they had one. They did have one. Um, but yeah, I'm, I'm not used to seeing them have sequels. So, uh, this is, this is promising for The Last of Us and future game to, to Live action stories.

Theo Harvey: Well, I see your point. I mean, I think, um, it does give a little sameness to it. I mean, if you watch the walking dead, I think I was on for like the first two seasons of walking dead and after a while, I get the hang of it. I get the, I get the vibe here. Having fun cooking out zombies come, you know, [01:04:00] having fun swimming zombies, having fun, you know, on a, you know, uh, on a Disneyland.

On the boat, zombies come. So it's just like, 

Mr.Benja: yeah, you know, what's funny. It's like, um, I've watched through the walking dead and at some point through it, I started having those same feelings. A lot of people were talking about it, but when you watch it, you're like. Somebody in the writer's room, it's like they're trying to tell a deeper story about something.

It's like every season you can tell that there's something buried way underneath there, like, Hey, uh, what do you, what's your feeling when you have no hope? What's when everything's dead and when everything And there should be a lot of story there, but it's like almost right when you start to uncover it, it's just like But you know, what's really important, we're going to run out of shotgun shells and we have to do it.

And it's like, okay, yeah. Where, where are we at? Right. We're in a prison and zombies are coming and there are these other guys who are in a village and zombies came [01:05:00] after them. So now they're coming after us. It just, it's always the same kind of, 

Theo Harvey: yeah, it was just different levels of it. Like the whispers or this, or they, you know, the, the, It's just like, you know, I get it.

They had to escalate and how people evolve in a different environment. And that's what the last of us gives me that kind of vibe, but it's kind of more of a, a focused, uh, on two characters, a character study, if you will. Right. And so, um, but anyway, yeah, I'll watch it. I mean, you know, look, man, what else I'm gonna watch on Sundays?

Be honest with you, man. Look that third episode. I mean, did you ever watch that third episode of the last of us? Do you remember the one about the, it was a, it was a love story between the two guys. Do you remember that one? 

Mr.Benja: Got two guys or two girls? 

Theo Harvey: Two guys. Yeah. It was good. It was good. It was Nick Offerman from, uh, the house.

Yeah. The house. Yeah. It was, I thought it was a, and the real, and, Yeah, because it was like in the, I was told I didn't play the video game, the [01:06:00] video game, they saw the conclusion of what happened to those guys. Right. Yeah. But they never told you their backstory. And that was a way to tell that backstory.

And then like an episodic television. So I think you're going to do more of that. I thought that was kind of unique and different. So I trust the writers, the guy who wrote Chernobyl was great. So I think he'll do a great job on this as well. So yeah, man, um, I think I'm hype. Yeah, I'm watching. Watch it.

Mr.Benja: It's funny, you could tell a lot of stories without, I mean, zombies have changed the world in any of these situations. So you could just tell the story about how these people exist in this world without making it about the same, you know, got to get away from zombies kind of thing. And, you know, yeah, it's just like, Hey, how do you have a, I don't know, weird Romeo and Juliet story.

Maybe I think they've done that somewhere, but nevermind. We have two different camps and they love each other, but zombies

Theo Harvey: Hang it out playing at the gambling casino zombies [01:07:00] So I want to do a heist movie zombies I 

Mr.Benja: want to do you know Black empowerment movie zombies, uh, a tale of forbidden, lesbian, love zombies, and it's like, wow, it's just such an overbearing situation that it seems like it's really hard to tell a story there.

I'm like the force 

Theo Harvey: of nature is like, you know, like what they call the, uh, you know, force of nature, force of God. It's just like, you know, it's like a tsunami comes. It was just like, it is what it is, you know? So it could be anything. So you can mix zombies of anything because I mean, we're in a war zombies, you know, war Z, right?

So it's yeah, you can mix it with anything. 

Trailer Talk: Havoc

Theo Harvey: So anyway, the only one I'm kind of interested in is this havoc one. I don't know. Did you want to any other one? You want to look that? 

Mr.Benja: Oh, I thought you were going to go for government [01:08:00] cheese. 

Theo Harvey: Uh, I actually saw that one. So we'll talk about it later. Just, just, just funny.

Mr.Benja: I know we do have it. 

Theo Harvey: Yummy cheese. They should do it. They should go with the G O V 

Mr.Benja: wait, G U B apostrophe M I N T. Government cheese, 

Theo Harvey: government cheese, and I'll be like, yes, we got to see this movie. 

Mr.Benja: Uh, you'll have to, if you, you know, if we get a thousand likes, 2000 likes, 500 likes, even we might have to watch government cheese, but until then, you want to check out this havoc.

Theo Harvey: Yeah, let's do it. 

Mr.Benja: All right. So now we have an official teaser from, uh, from Netflix. So all, all I know about this is that it's Tom Hardy, Netflix flick, and he's doing some stuff. So I got it queued up. You know anything about this one? 

Theo Harvey: I don't. 

Mr.Benja: Okay. All right. So Havoc, the official teaser from Netflix, and we're going to play it in [01:09:00] three, two, one, play.

Theo Harvey: You don't know what I did to you when I did that. You don't know what I did when I did that on Tuesday. 

Mr.Benja: Son, I don't care where you came from. I've never seen a washing machine get thrown at the police.

Oh, yeah. Oh, Saul Guerrero 

Theo Harvey: out here, man. Saul Guerrero out here telling folks what's what. I know what you 

Mr.Benja: did.

At the Jedi Temple. 

Theo Harvey: Oh, man. I mean, you know, it's a passable action flick. But the raid, I mean, that was awesome. So, uh, um, yeah, man. I'm there. I'm there. I mean, it's Netflix, the childhood Netflix movies. They, they seem good when you watch the trailer, but something happens. Something happens. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. Yeah. Um, I, I'm a, I go into those Netflix with low expectations.

I'm looking for the little key moments, like the washing machine, the action, the action [01:10:00] shots, come on, dog. That was cool. I like that. Well, 

Theo Harvey: well, um, extraction, you ever see those. Hemsworth movies, the extraction movies on Netflix. No, no. Those are pretty good, man. I mean, it's, it's kind of like this one take kind of action or where it's like, once he gets in the action, don't stop.

And that, that, that, that keeps it going. And so that to me, it's like, okay, this, this is not a lot of story there, but it's just like, you just not out of action two hours. I think he, he, he goes to sleep for like. Two minutes and he wakes back up and there's someone shooting at him. So it's just so yeah, um, yeah, Havoc.

I think we're going to I'm going to check it out. Sure. I mean, I always say that but sometimes it's just too much on Netflix. I I'm like five documentaries behind like three movies five TV shows on Netflix. It's like I need to I always say I'm going to look look at this stuff man, but I never do. I don't know.

It's just, and one thing I do want to say, and you know, so everyone go check out havoc, you [01:11:00] know, we'll, we'll, if it comes out, we'll probably review it. Mr. Benji, before we end, um, I just want to put this little, this little rant. We used to do that all the time, but, uh, I got a little rant. I want to end on, if you don't mind.

Mr.Benja: That's right, baby. 

Rant: The Irrelevance of the Oscars

Theo Harvey: The Oscars. Does anyone care about the damn Oscars, man? I watched them live. I probably one of the few people that still does. Matter of fact, I remember watching it live when Chris rock got the taste left off and by Will Smith. And I can remember that. And no one else knew what happened on the Oscars cause they weren't watching it because I was watching it live.

I could talk about it live. And that was a wonderful feeling. But since that moment, over three years ago, Nothing interesting has ever happened on the Oscars lately, and I think people could care less. Matter of fact, I bet you couldn't even name any of the movies. We talked about this on the podcast before.

You probably couldn't even name the movie that won. Uh, it's basically about a prostitute. Sure. That wasn't the best picture. So it's terrible. It's sad. They don't make movie stars like they used to. They don't make movies like they used to. And so [01:12:00] I think the Oscars are becoming culturally irrelevant, especially for the younger generation.

So Mr. Benja, that's my take on the Oscars. Any, any thoughts on that? 

Mr.Benja: Um, bro, I don't know anybody. I'm trying to think of the last time someone had mentioned the Oscars outside of you and I'm coming up blank. I really don't know. So sad. 

Theo Harvey: So there was a time when we did watch it and we get excited and you know, when Denzel one or Holly Berry one who was just like right there with him.

But yeah, I couldn't even tell you what I think. Who was it? No. Who won the last year? Was anywhere everything all at once last year? I can't remember who won it last year. Yeah, see, that's how sad it is. Who won the Oscar, Oscar for best Oscars. Like, I think I looked it up, uh, before we talked about it and it's so sad.

I was like drawn to blank. Yeah, it's crazy, man. It's just how, how, how people don't care anymore, man. And I'm, I'm, I'm drawing a [01:13:00] blank. Oh, Oppenheimer. That's right. Yeah. Now it's coming back to me. But anyway, Mr. Ben, just, so that's my hot take. Anything else going on for you, man, for this week? 

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Mr.Benja: Nah, man, I'm about to, uh, you know, I'm, I'm constructing a, um, levitation chamber.

So when I get my meditation down, it's kind of like the Darth Vader meditation chamber. Um, but, you know, I'm trying to bring in good vibes and see if I can, you know, float at least three inches off the ground. I think I got two inches off the ground when I was meditating hardcore, uh, if I can get three inches off the ground, you know, then I'll have enlightened myself and will probably show up in an astral form, you know, at your house, just to let you know that I've achieved that state.

So I 

Theo Harvey: love it, man. 

Mr.Benja: Yes, I'm dealing. I'm messing with the arcane magic cards. So that's, that's what's happening. 

Theo Harvey: Well, you know, stay away from the shadow king. You know how you like to get out there in these streets.

Yes. All right, man. Yeah. Same here, man. Um, [01:14:00] you know, we'll talk later about some of our travels I got coming up, but, uh, we'll share those in the next shots. So, uh, super excited about that. So everyone, wow, this has been a great episode. Thank you for listening. You know, please like subscribe and comment. So versus business on X threads, YouTube, and Instagram, and says that Spotify, iTunes, or wherever you listen to podcasts, you want to see more about us and what we're doing.

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