SvB E209 Streams of Shock, Betrayals, Black Belts, and Blockbuster Trailers

Join us as we break down the week, from father-son milestones to pop culture betrayals.

We discuss a bit about AI and the Algorithm, and deep dives into must-watch TV shows and Movies.

Plus, fresh reactions to trailers for Black Mirror Series 7, Lilo & Stitch Live-Action, and the high-speed F1 movie.

Is Disney's latest remake a billion-dollar hit?

00:00 Introduction and Weekly Catch-Up
00:55 Father-Son Achievements
03:09 Karate Memories and Reflections
06:57 Comment Corner: AI and Vibe Coding
11:09 Comment Corner: Cult Favorites and Algorithms
15:38 What We're Watching: Highs and Lows
26:01 The Impact of Social Media on TV Shows
26:45 The Wheel of Time and Slow-Paced Shows
27:28 Daredevil and the Importance of a Strong Start
28:13 Anime and Manga Influence on Modern TV
30:18 Classic TV Shows with Memorable Hooks
35:21 Trailer Time: Black Mirror Season 7
39:44 Trailer Time: Lilo and Stitch Live Action
43:59 Trailer Time: F1 Racing Movie
47:41 Wrapping Up and Final Thoughts

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Introduction and Weekly Catch-Up

Theo Harvey: This is show versus business where pop culture meets pop money. If you host the real deal, Harvey and Mr. Benja. So Mr. Benja, how was your week? Week was good, man. 

Mr.Benja: I've told you before I was in the lab, doing all my work and figuring stuff out and boom. Knocking it out, putting one test tube in the other, watching stuff explode.

Now I'm not in the lab anymore, man. I'm in the dungeon. I don't know if you know about the dungeon, right? It's the lower part of the lab where you go down and you do your real work, the work, no one wants to talk about the hardcore work where you shut off all the lights and turn on the candles, get to work.

So then the dungeon, 

Theo Harvey: man, the dungeon, man, my week was interesting, man, and got had a little health issue. I love my foot. It was a little injured. So I was dealing with that this week and had to travel to Michigan. And, it wasn't as cold as the last time I went, thank God, but trying to deal with that.

Father-Son Achievements

Theo Harvey: And then Dealing with my son, he finally got his black belt officially as after the [00:01:00] court is so all day event basically started at eight. He had to run a two, two miles. He had to do a bunch of physical tests, to see how you can roll, how he can like crawl on his back and all that.

Take a, we had to write a essay, then he had to do his whole forms and all that. And he finally, was able to, he broke his boards and he got his black belt. So it was a long day, not just for him, but for dad as well. Who was there all day taking videos and pictures and all that. So yeah, man, it was a good accomplishment, man, for him.

He started when he was five and after watching the avatar. The last avatar, the story of Aang and got excited about bending and said, Hey, I want to do that. I said, you can't bend, but you can't try to do some of the moves. So I got super excited about learning kicks and all that. And yeah, it's just been an interesting journey over the last, what, four years.

Mr.Benja: Hey man, if you get, if you're into the [00:02:00] father son social media thing, the whole intro to avatar, with the moves and all the cottage. Yeah, man, that's awesome stuff. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah. So you might be able to do that, but I was impressed, man. That's a lot, man. Just, they were throwing, they said jab hook cross.

I was like, you knew all that. And he was just like, round kick front kick. It was like, he knew he did it every time they said it. Didn't I think he the. The dojo, the the master Van Cleef who runs the apex dojo, shout out to him. It was a great program, but he also was talking about self defense.

So he had a whole section where the kids, they said, okay, someone's attacking you do anything. And so basically just seeing if. They had muscle memory enough to learn how to fend off an attacker. And so that was interesting. So the kids had to just do whatever, just, do the whole Steven Seagal move.

Remember Steven Seagal breaking ankles, breaking risk with his little. A Kido. 

Laugh: Yeah. 

Theo Harvey: Kido doing all that. Taking a knife. He had a fake knife. Someone was trying to attack you with a knife. [00:03:00] Knife is gone. I'm going to try to grab you from behind. Woof woof. I was like, yeah. 

Mr.Benja: Let's talk about tactics, man.

You remind me. 

Karate Memories and Reflections

Mr.Benja: My brother older brother the first time I saw karate in action, cause he had taken karate for a while and I wasn't taking it. I was into other stuff. Piano music and everything. My brother got in this little argument with the guy at school, not at school on the playground near our apartment and he, they started yelling at each other and my brother grabbed like his book bag or his toy or something and threw it in the bushes and right with the kid turned around, my brother laid a karate kick on his back and kicked him in the bushes.

Boy, I had laughed so hard in my entire life. And after that moment, I was like. I want to learn karate. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. So did you go on this journey? Karate. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, I didn't go, I didn't take it too far. But no I definitely took karate little while. Yeah, it took for a little while, got off of it, got back in and [00:04:00] then did some physical stuff.

I did go to a basketball camp at one point Yeah. But I didn't ever start worrying about what belts I was getting and all that. I took some tests. I forgot how far I got, but I was like, yeah, whatever 

Theo Harvey: It's all about the experience from Mr. Benji. I love it. Never about the results.

Just the inputs. I love it. Yeah. That's what I'm realizing too, man. It's about the inputs. I tell everybody like the results will come. Just got to put the inputs in. Nah, man. So super excited. And he, talked about how you want to quit multiple times, which you told us. I think he was overwhelmed of all the things he had to learn.

But, he just did it and slowly but surely. Now he's on this other side and cool. He's like a junior black belt because I think officially can't be a black belt till you're like 13 or 14. Something like that. So he he can come back and get his I guess senior but it's a cool little belt has his name on it and everything.

His so yeah, and I think the of the 17 years that he's done it, he said they he gave out 138 black belts and so the 17 years he's been doing this and so Langston's one 32, so you can see it on the black [00:05:00] belt and on the certificate, so pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, man. Fun times, man.

Fun times. Going there every two days a week for Tuesdays and Thursdays, for an hour for the last and every time we went up, we like, oh, we gotta do this. We gotta do this. And, and pan, I don't know, 150 a month, here's the business meet. I'm like, so wait, I paid 150 a month, for four years. So that's basically what's that? 1500. No. Yeah. Times 10 53, 000 is probably about. 6, 000 all sold, give or take what I got a guy. I'm a car when he was 16. Yeah, man these programs are not cheap, man. But yeah he achievement, he can always say, I I got a black belt, before I was 10.

And so that's something hopefully can take it when he tries other achievements that's just a muscle memory can go back to give him strength, when he has other [00:06:00] achievements he's trying to get to. So kudos to him, man. So yeah, so good times, man. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, that's that's really, it's really good stuff, man.

My parents. I remember them, they put me in a lot of different things and really wanted me to just see what was out there. Gosh, I even went to the Howard University Children's Theater, there was just all kinds of stuff going on. And it was funny between the different family members, like me, my kid, not my kids, me, the other kids my aunts their children, cousins, everybody.

They would all go to these different programs and we would all. Just talk about what we knew, what we didn't know. And it was just this weird group of kids who had all these different experiences and we could all talk to each other about whatever, I even ended up in a biology camp.

It was just, it was fun times, man. I missed that. And that's actually going to lead into some of what we talk about today with the streaming business. Awesome. I love it. 

Comment Corner: AI and Vibe Coding

Theo Harvey: Do you want to get [00:07:00] straight into comment corner? 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. Yeah. We're always keeping track of the comments, checking out who's talking about what we definitely appreciate our viewers and our commenters keeping a little conversation going between people.

And I'm, I picked two that that got, that caught my eye. One from episode two, eight, that was artificial intelligence Now own you for 20, 000. That was a pretty good episode. I had fun with that one. And someone spelled with two N said, talking about the AI agents that cost 20, 000 a month said it's 20, 000 a month.

No real aid and no real AI agents don't need people to manage the process. We were talking about how, Hey, if you're going to pay this AI, you better just sip your coffee and say, Hey, go do some good stuff and then come back, two hours or an hour later and be like, thank you very much.

Yeah this guy agrees with more of what you were saying, just, Hey, go do some stuff and it better be good for 20, 

Theo Harvey: 000. [00:08:00] Yes, that's a lot of money, man. I put it in there. We didn't talk about this but it's not in the show notes, but I put it in the in our thread that we send back and forth, you heard this term called vibe coding, this is a new term that just came out, so yeah, it was just.

Just basically use an AI and use a natural language to just have a program for you. Tony Stark, right? It is if you know how to program, then it's something that could be very useful. People are saying that, it takes you weeks to develop. You can do it in probably days.

Because you can just verbally see the code and just talk to the AI to develop it for you in almost near real time. And so that's become a thing now, Mr. Benjamin, this whole vibe coding scenario. So are you, I know you're a decent programmer. I know, I don't know if you're out of practice or not, but have you tried vibe coding?

Mr.Benja: No. But earlier in our podcast, somewhere along the way, it was definitely in the double digits. Not that we hadn't hit episode 100 yet. We were talking about where AI was going and everything. And I mentioned that one of the places that we [00:09:00] wanted to get to was the hollow deck, 

Of, from Star Trek.

And that's the place where you go in there and you start talking to the computer saying, Hey computer, I'd like a field, a meadow, okay. Daytime. Okay, a little more lush with foliage, not as many trees, more bushes and grass, okay, and a meadow over here and you just start getting into a vibe where you're describing what you want and it changes it on the fly and starts building whatever the case may be.

And this can be applied to 3d environments, to coding, to instructions, to avatar creation, to other AI agents. Hey, AI, I need an AI agent that is this tall does this doesn't talk like me talks more like my aunt, and it's a, it's just a way of having a conversation and letting your mind flow free and the computer giving back what it thinks you want.

Theo Harvey: Yeah, that's his vibe coding in a [00:10:00] nutshell, man. You, we predicted it three years ago, just to give it a cool name. But yeah, so this is where we're at right now, man. People are, so it seems like AI, we'll get back into the comment corner in a second, but it does seem like AI, this search for artificially general intelligence is putting the back burner right now, and now we're just trying to find ways to make it useful, which is by coding or deep research to find more information, really detailed information around topics you reasoning so you can understand this logic.

So those are the features that pushing on us now, right? And some, and of course, some video and audio editing and artificial intelligence, agents to things moving around. So instead of a. Pitching us this big vision of A. G. I. And just like a human being, you just tell it what to do and it does it right is more like here all these different things.

You have an agent, you can get reasoning, you can have a vibe coding, Hey, you got a plethora of ways to use, A. I. You don't have to [00:11:00] go for A. G. I. And I think that's the marketing spin. They're starting to change story. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, exactly. I want to go to the next comment. 

Theo Harvey: Let's do it.

Mr.Benja: All right. 

Comment Corner: Cult Favorites and Algorithms

Mr.Benja: So next comment was from our accountant to reaction, which I figure got as many views as it did, which was a good amount of views. I figured it got that many views because it was. A cult favorite, not necessarily the most explosive trailer out there, but a cult favorite. We got a comment from Benjamin Anon 23 and he simply left a heart.

I love it. The only comment there, somebody left a heart. It's you know what? Once you get a little franchise, you get a little cult following and someone loves it. That's all you can ask for man 

Theo Harvey: I mean you called it. Mr. Benji. I was like accounting too I mean who's chicken for that? But obviously, this is the rare one of rare cases where it's a movie I have not seen that you saw So it's like I [00:12:00] didn't know that It's the vibes are so deep for this one, man.

People are in their feelings about this one. Yeah, kudos to you. Definitely. I was trying to look at I think it got, let's see. Where's that? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It got about 390 views for us. That's pretty, pretty good. So yeah, man. Kudos to you. Called it people. People are definitely checking for this one.

Mr.Benja: I think that we're going to end up going more into a cult thing anyway, where we start separating and bifurcating into all these different sections of content, where it's, you got the Marvel, then it breaks into the Marvel magic and the Marvel, real gritty neighborhood group.

And then you got, you start breaking up into factions or whatever you want to call it. And I think you're just going to keep, we're going to keep getting more of that. 

Theo Harvey: I agree. I think, it's the internet is nothing else is starting to break down to fractions, man. Everybody's just finding their own little tribes and, rocking into their tribes and not going outside those tribes.

And you know what? We'll talk about [00:13:00] maybe another time. But this is what I was talking about. These algorithms, man, they're just keeping us in these bubbles and dictating more and more of what we see and what we think. And we just stay in our bubbles and stay because of the algorithm is going to keep pushing us more and pretty soon we're just, our thinking is already going to be predicted by the algorithm.

Mr.Benja: Speaking of the algorithm, how it likes to lump you in with a group of your friends and Hey, all of your friends who like this also like this. So let me show that to you, man. I told you about the workout fitness ladies, right? How it showed up in my algorithm again, just flooded my feed.

Suddenly I was like, dang it took me months to get rid of this 

Theo Harvey: bag. They knew, they know you, Mr. Benja, they know you better than the algorithm knows you better than you know yourself. I wasn't mad. I wasn't mad at it. So I love it. It's funny. I started going these tangents, the shorts is interesting.

Yeah, you give, it pops up in your feed these different kinds of things. [00:14:00] He's, Oh, that's interesting. So we'll talk about later, but I've been watching invincible. And so I want to do some more deep dive on the TV show and the comic book. And of course, now it's giving me nothing but invincible stuff.

And then I'm going down these deep dives. I'm like, Oh wow. So yeah, man, it's the algorithm is there to keep you the, what was it? The system is there to defend itself. Is that what Dr. Benjamin Harney is 

Mr.Benja: designed to defend itself. The system is designed to defend the system. Yep. 

Theo Harvey: That's the algorithm.

Mr.Benja: But one thing I wanted to mention with that whole algorithm thing is if I'm going somewhere where not that I shouldn't be going, I don't like certain videos, like I don't hit the heart button on them. And it's funny because once I get trapped, caught up in the. In the lane of whatever topic I'm looking at, I can see all my friends liking this one sort of thing and one of my friends is, just into some stuff and I'm just like, bruh, stop liking all that you're a [00:15:00] public figure.

People could see you. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah, it is what it is, we know the stories of old tweets, old likes, old, whatever popping up when you become, super public. So yeah it's going to be a dangerous game, but it is what it is, man. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. Whole group of people on discord or some Reddit.

Serve somewhere. I'll be like, he unfollowed this person. It's what? You're gonna call me out for unfollowing. Somebody got to hear 

Theo Harvey: the world we live in. Mr. Benja. Oh man. All right. Yeah, man, let's keep it moving, man. 

What We're Watching: Hits and Misses

Theo Harvey: Man, we're going to keep it light. This one guys, we've been deep diving on all kinds of.

Interesting things, AI and streaming, but Mr. Benji, I figured this one, let's just talk about what we watching, man. Let's go back to the roots of what we used to talk about, like shows, movies, things that were interesting. Yeah, I'm there for Mr. Benji. What we're going to talk about today about what are you watching?

Mr.Benja: This is a. I was actually wondering how to [00:16:00] approach this because after arcane season two, which is the third, I want to say the third biggest betrayal of mine in recent memory. There was the last Jedi. It was just a big betrayal for 

Laugh: me. 

Theo Harvey: Betrayal of the storyline or betrayal of just the show itself.

Mr.Benja: Betrayal of my heart. I was hurt, man. I was like, why would you do this? It's good. It's quality, I'll have that discussion at any time. Shout out to the people who love it. Shout out to people who hate it. Anyway last Jedi was one of them. And then after an interview with Zack Snyder, I went and watched Sucker Punch with high hopes like a dummy.

Yeah, so that was the second, that was another betrayal. And season two, man, of Arcane I'm going back, when something I don't want to say bad, but it's so against your expectations. You have to leave the room, walk around in a circle, then go back in and be like, wait, no, what did I just see?

What was that? And watch it again because it [00:17:00] was against your expectations. I did that with arcane and I'm like, this is bonkers and they have more coming. I saw, I'm thinking they, I don't know why they've rushed this exactly, but anyway, I had my third betrayal. And after that betrayal, I'm like, I don't want to watch anything.

And I'm feeling weird about it.

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Mr. Benji, you think you don't want to hype high expectations around? I 

Mr.Benja: try to have no expectations actually. I really do try to have no expectations, but when. The creators themselves are setting up something and then they switch the game up or they lie to you, or they try to do the whole subversion thing and just be silly with it.

It's what are you doing? Really, what are you doing? And it just weird. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. You know what, I don't recall me being upset about things, when it comes to what I'm watching, because if I'm, if I don't like it, I'll stop watching it or I'll just fast forward certain storylines, [00:18:00] but I'm always judging what show is, gives me hype and what am I watching?

And I always think. I can't count on one hand almost like I went into a movie or a show and just had low expectations for it and it just surpassed me and that to me is the most exciting thing about what I watch like just that and I don't get it often, but it's like once a year when I get it, man, I was like, that was worth it, man.

So like I can remember seeing a snow piercer for the first time. I heard it. Good things about it. And I went to go see it and I had to go, I had to go far to go see it. Cause it was the same, it was the same summer that one of the transformers came out and it was like everywhere I said, I want to see that crap.

I'm going to see some good movie. I'm going to see a good movie. And I went to go see snow pierce and I was blown away by, I was like, man, that that's what I'm talking about. I can remember seeing the book of Eli with Denzel Washington. I almost gave up on Denzel. I was like I know what this is about, hint to Bible.

But they had one more twist in there and it's blew my mind and just reframed the whole story and I was like Denzel still a [00:19:00] fan So it was like that game, you know gave me hope and just Denzel as an actor and the choices he make but also just Ability to surprise you in movie telling and how reframe the whole movie based on a twist at the end.

And that was interesting to me. And then maybe really one deep dive into that whole story of how, that, that world was created and all that. And who was this guy before, his journey the character Denzel played. And then, most recently I saw Godzilla plus one.

I think I told you about that one where, I went in, my birthday just saying, we'll watch a movie. I, I didn't hear anything about it. I say, I'm not really a Godzilla guy. I watched, I said, man, this is the most amazing movie I've seen in forever. And it was, 

Mr.Benja: there you go.

That's what I'll watch. Godzilla 

Theo Harvey: Minus one. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. 

Mr.Benja: I was looking for something to watch to get me back on track. That's what I'll go back and check out. 

Theo Harvey: It's not just a story about Godzilla, but it's a story about sacrifice and being a coward and being a hero and, what you owe to community.

It was like. Layers to this thing. [00:20:00] I was like, dang, even at the end, I almost shed a tear, man. It was so emotional. I was like, what is going on? This is Godzilla. So to me, it's man, when you get that, to me, that's just the most exciting thing. When you see something or you feel something you haven't felt in a while, or you just didn't expect to feel by watching a movie or TV show, then to me, that's the best thing.

So me, I don't really go into the things and be disappointed by stuff. I'm just like, that's just what it is. And I just keep it moving. Now maybe some people can say it's a waste of time and then I just wasted my time to that. But to me, I don't think it's a waste of time.

I think it's more Hey, this is something that you explored and didn't work out. You can just start watching it. It was a show, some shows I haven't finished watching. 

Mr.Benja: If something is legitimately bad, I can actually watch those, like if it's just, if the quality isn't there or you're like, okay, you tried to rush this, or, the camera work, if something happened and or you can tell that the circumstances [00:21:00] didn't lead to a good place.

And it's you know what? Whatever. It's okay. I understand that the budget wasn't there for X, Y, Z, et cetera. Something happened. You had to change actors at some point, cut scenes out, whatever. I'm more angry with, in terms of my betrayals, like they did something that. Felt like somebody just tried to mess you up in some way.

They tried to do something that wasn't in the best interest of me, the audience. Was 

Theo Harvey: that Manipulate You? 

Mr.Benja: Not Manipulate, Screw, Screw Me Over. The Matrix 4. That was the other portrayal I was trying to think of. The Matrix 4. Oh, 

Theo Harvey: I can't remember anything about Matrix 4. That was so terrible.

I was, I couldn't tell you, I couldn't tell you a thing. The one about what was going on in that movie, 

Mr.Benja: part of the way through, I almost. I had grabbed a clutch from my chest because I was like, I think they did this on purpose. So yeah, I honestly believe that now. I think it was done like that on [00:22:00] purpose to get people to come out of talking about the movie and talk about the movie industry and the way things are going and this weird meta conversation about being in quote unquote, the matrix and being in a story.

And yeah, 

Theo Harvey: that's right. They sure had that. Yeah. It was like, Oh, this is real or not yet. But I couldn't tell you a thing about that movie. I just saw I could tell you two movies that why I just saw what's it does a venom, the last dance or whatever it was called the last venom is popped up on Netflix.

I said, let me check this out. I'm half asleep, it's fast forward. And, like you're right. I don't think it wasn't a good movie, but I'm like trying to pick out things like, okay you know what? Tom Hardy, he's giving a great performance as both venom and I think that's a good thing.

So to your point, even in the bad movies, you're like, it's like a treasure hunt. That was good. Madam web. I'm looking at madam web, terrible movie, but okay. I'm feeling the, the Richard Parker scene. Did you watch madam web at all? 

Mr.Benja: No, but I was planning on [00:23:00] watching Craven tonight, so I can talk about it.

Theo Harvey: Oh yeah, Craven's the other one we're gonna watch and do that treasure hunt. Treasure hunt for tre For value. This is gonna be a terrible movie, just, get your expectations low. I think that's what I do too, I try to keep my expectations super low for these. These movies, so I'm going in, I'm like, Oh, this is not good.

Now, some shows, I'm like here. I was like, this could be good. Cause I like the concept. So for instance, it's a show me and my wife, why I just called the pit. It's like the next generation ER, it's on HBO. Yeah. So it's like. Two interesting concepts. Number one is on streaming or HBO.

So they can show, real blood and viscera and gore, as opposed to a network show back in the day. And then they can if the concept is an hour Every episode is one hour of a day. So basically there's 11, there's 12 episodes. So it's a 12 hour shift. So you got eight to nine episode, the nine to 10 episode.

So the concept is you experienced the worst day of these doctors lives, all these different experiences. And, I came [00:24:00] in that's an interesting concept. And, ER back or. We used to call it her back in the day. I don't know why I just like that. I probably should have been a doctor, but that's a whole nother thing.

So I was like, and then my wife, she's nurse. So she, I was like, what's that mean? She'll break it down for me. I said, okay, cool. And then, obviously I am in healthcare, so I know a little something. So anyway, I'm watching it, man. That's, that shows awesome, man. There's not a dull moment in that show.

And that's why I love man. Cause tell me shows I watch, how many times I fast forward scenes, just because they're like, they're trying to set the mood or, his environment, or they're walking down the hall to get you fast forward, all that, just get to the talking, let's see all that.

So they get, or, or, there's a scene where people are talking about how they're going to split up or get together and all this other crap. But. That they everything they're talking about is like they bring in, it's always someone hurt that's coming in that they got to fix.

And in the midst of that, they're trying to do character development, which is super exciting. And then also they're progressing different storylines. So they're like doing [00:25:00] 34 different things. We're four things. So they're trying to explain a concept of medical procedure, they have an emergency thing where it is urgent.

Someone can die. So you have to understand what's that going on? You got individual character beats right in the room. Why is this doctor feeling like this? Why is this doctor tentative? And then they have ongoing progression of storylines, man, those four things that's working on those four levels.

Your brain is like bing. I don't have to turn it. I don't have to turn it off. I have to fast forward. Cause I'm just like there and it makes the show go so much better. Like a X Men 97. Remember how we felt when we watched that? That was just like, we both came, I came in yes, whatever.

I was like, is this good or what? Is it just me? Is this good? It was like, it's just, don't you love that experience? I was watching it. I was like. Man, this is good, but I don't know if I'm, is my quality meter off? Cause this is better than it should be. This has, this is better than it has any intention of being.

And that to me, as you can tell my voice and the excitement, that, that gives me hype, man. [00:26:00] When I see stuff like that. 

Mr.Benja: I think that's a, that we're going to see more and more of that as a function of, where we are with social media, short form video and tick tock and all of that, we're going to get more of this bang bang, get in there for.

For most people. And then on the other side for people who are already invested, that's when they're going to take their time, slow down and do a bunch of slow melodramatic kind of, let's just set the scene and people who are into it are just going to be able to calm down and soak that up, but for everybody else or to get them into it, it's going to be like rapid fire.

Theo Harvey: Yeah. I think that's going to happen. You're right. Cause I was thinking about the same thing. I'll inform is so tough to do nowadays. Because of social media and our attention spans and if you're not because I was watching this other show what's it called? The wheel of time right? No people nobody's checking for it right now It's in this third season, but I got with his like fancy show, right?

It's long running fancy series. [00:27:00] So I watched the first, first season second season And I'm like, this thing is so slow, right? In certain areas that kind of like the witcher, right? It was like, has some interesting moments and it's it's super slow with the, details into the mythology and all that kind of crap in the world building.

It's okay, I get it. But So they start the third season. 

Magic and Daredevil Discussion

Theo Harvey: Okay, it's gonna be another boy. I gotta get together, dude They knew exactly what to do. They walked in first five seconds, man boo don't magic and people you seen someone get split in half with magic. I said, okay, that's how you started Yeah, get in there man and Likewise, have you seen daredevil yet?

No, I haven't started a 

Mr.Benja: daredevil because I'm currently on my Disney ban 

Theo Harvey: Okay. Disney band. It's not so much a spoiler. It's not so much a spoiler, but 

Laugh: They 

Theo Harvey: go hard. They go hard in the paint in the first episode, like in the first, cause I'm like, okay, you know how you watch the show.

You're like, okay, they got to get everybody established and everybody can get together. Then they talk and they, [00:28:00] man these shows ain't playing no more, man. You, the first, it's the intro in a short form, a long form video. Yeah. Yeah. You got to get people's attention in that first minute.

If you're not getting people's attention, I'm done. I'm done, son. 

Anime and Manga Influence on TV Shows

Mr.Benja: While ago this, and as I mentioned before, if this is coming straight from anime, a lot of, I, I know for a fact, a lot of these guys are taking straight from the way anime does it because with anime and manga, just the way the industry is set up, you have to get people in.

If not the first episode, there is. An automatic cutoff at like episode three, so if you don't do it in the first episode, it's okay, we'll give you a little time to bubble. If you don't do it by three, you're done. I don't know if you know about how they do manga, where they put the little books out in the newsstand and, you read them on the, while you're on the train and you read them during lunch or whatever, during your breaks, it's a whole thing, right?

They have so many manga that get created that it's like, if they put you in a book, they're [00:29:00] like, Hey, listen, we're putting you in this little compilation book, you have a couple. Issues of this book. If the readers don't say they like your stuff, you're done. And you're going back to the mailroom to start your whole journey over again.

I don't care who you are. You're starting over again. If no one picks you up. So they have to come in punchy and that, that bled into the anime. So the anime has to start out punchy, starts out punchy. Then people get into it and then you can flow. And yeah, there's just no, no room for anything else. And I think it's a good thing that people are picking up on it.

Theo Harvey: You look at the one piece man go, right? He's running for over 25 years. That's amazing. So we see stuff like that, he's getting people's attention and keeping. And then I think also the heavy lifting has already been done where, suspense and you built a community and the world building so much that people just want to stay in that world.

And so You know, you may not have to be as, shocking in the first first arc or [00:30:00] whatever, the first story arc or the new story arc in the first chapter of that story arc. And so I think that's interesting. Like the other show I was telling you about paradise, right?

They have something similar. Like that first episode you're watching is something's off. You feel a little something's off, but you don't know. And then it hits you with that twist at the end. Oh, I'm back for the next episode. 

Impactful TV Show Episodes

Theo Harvey: And so I think That you're right is back in the day, I can remember watching lost and the first episode was 

Mr.Benja: say that 

Theo Harvey: they, okay, was the, what did the first episode capture your imagination?

Keep watching it. 

Mr.Benja: That was it, man. I was like, boom, I'm in at least for the first couple episodes. 

Theo Harvey: So I thought was interesting, I guess that I think that scene the guy was get away from the plane He got sucked into the plans. Okay. Okay, we're doing this son. We're doing this So that kind of got me high what got me really high it was third episode in and never get a man Of action man of faith.

It was a John Locke episode and you remember twisting that one The very first time we meet John Locke. 

Mr.Benja: [00:31:00] No, I don't remember the twist. 

Theo Harvey: You remember he was taught, everybody was talking to him. He said, he's going to do a walkabout in Australia. And everybody said, you can't do it. You can't do it. And we like, why?

Nobody let this guy go do the walkabout in Australia. He couldn't get alone. His kids didn't believe him and all this stuff come to find out in the past. He was in a wheelchair. He couldn't walk. And on the Island, he was, walking around, he was the man everybody looked up to and all this stuff.

He was the man, but back, back in his old life, before the plane, he was an invalid. And so it was interesting where I thought, and I was like, Oh, okay, this show is this is going to be some trippy stuff. So that's what got me in. That was like the third or fourth episode.

And similarly, Sopranos. The concept was interesting, but everyone said that you remember we talked about this before What was the episode that really hooked you in for the sopranos?

Mr.Benja: I forgot what we talked about 

Theo Harvey: College, really? You remember when he [00:32:00] was showing metal to schools and he was with his daughter and they were going to school and then when he was hanging out with his daughter, he said, that's old rat. What's he doing out here? He was hanging with his daughter.

He took time out to go kill this dude. That was a rat from 20 years ago. And still. And so the, so the premise of the show. Was encapsulated in that one episode and you said, Oh, this guy's really a bad guy. He's not the good guy or lost. Oh, these guys are really transformed by going to this island So you see what i'm saying?

So yeah, there's always concepts. 

Laugh: Yeah. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah The concept, the first episode, has to be good, I think they used to take a little bit of time to get to that, that transformed that, why is this this particular story is interesting, but I think they're trying to push that out further to the first episode because they, like you said, they don't capture you.

You ain't waiting around for no third or fourth episode. You're like. I'm done. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, I think there's that initial, Hey, look over here kind of thing that happens [00:33:00] in the first episode or definitely at least like with invincible. It was the very end of the first episode, which was funny. I told somebody, he's listen, I know you like to cut out a show early, do not cut out of the end of the first episode of invincible.

And they were like, all right, whatever. And they called me back and were like, yeah. Yeah. I was about to cut out early, I saw everything wrapping up, but you were right. So you have that initial hook, but if you can't, if you can't hold the hook, you don't want the fish to spit the hook, right?

If you can't hold the hook, then you don't really have them. So you need that other thing that you're talking about. It seems to not just hook them, but make sure that hooks in there tight. So whatever that second thing is to cement the whole thing. So you get the look like, okay, what's this about?

And then you get Oh, and then you sit back and you want to catch the whole thing. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah, I was thinking about x men 97 while you're talking about that, you know What was the hook when we saw that one? The x men the recent x men Do you [00:34:00] remember what was that first episode? It was because Cyclops was wrecking shop.

Remember he was actually doing some shit. He's Oh, Cyclops is out here wrecking shop. He was throwing bows. Do you, and then basically using this thing to stop, and it landed his three point stand. I was like, okay. 

Mr.Benja: We had never seen him move himself, mobilize himself with his eyebeams before.

And that was crazy. Like stuff was about to blow up. I'm just like, I'm going to just push myself out the way.

Theo Harvey: But. It was like, they just reshaped how we thought about Cyclops. Cause you know, I guess I, I just went in thinking, cause remember, I think Wolverine was running the shop right back then. And I thought they were just going to send center on Wolverine, but really in the whole series, he really wasn't that centered at all.

Maybe to the very end, right? When the classic scene from Magneto and him, the meetup. So guys, we're talking about a lot of these shows, so we're not giving any spoilers. Hopefully we'll give you a little snippets. So go check out all these shows we talked about. Maybe we'll have James list of all the shows [00:35:00] we talked about in the in the show notes, but yeah, these are all great shows and movies that have great concepts and great hooks.

Mr.Benja: Let us know some of your your favorites of the ones that you look back on and, tell us in the comments, I really want to hear what were some shows that got you hooked, that hit you with a certain concept you just had to check out and that was interesting to you. I love it, man.

Trailer Time: Black Mirror Season 7

Theo Harvey: Time for trailer time, brother. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, man, let's do a, let's do a trailer. You want to do both of them or all three I'm 

Theo Harvey: gonna do yeah, let's do black mirror first. Let's do that 

Mr.Benja: All right, we are going to do black mirror So what this is and everybody here should know what black mirror is I'm not even gonna front like that But it's an anthology a collection of odd stories that give a weird reflection of humanity as it is right now I guess that's a good way of explaining it and we got season 7 coming up in the trailer just got released so this is the Trailer for black mirror season seven 

Theo Harvey: before we get into that, you know what I'm having issues.

Yeah [00:36:00] Having issues 

Mr.Benja: the internet does not like you today. What's going on? Okay. 

Theo Harvey: Okay. Okay. I got it. All right I'm ready when you Mr. Benjamin. 

Mr.Benja: All right. All right, we got this queued up. This is black mirror. Have you watched a lot of black mirror you keep up with it or 

Theo Harvey: oh, yeah I used to be a super fan.

That was one of those shows back in the day It was super exciting fell off a little bit for me. I think with the It didn't seem interesting enough. So I'd be curious to see how hard is it going to go this time? Cause I think we live in a black mirror episode. I already talked to you. With the AI, with Trump being president, it's just, I don't know how much different he can make a black mirror episode.

Mr.Benja: I think at some point, some of them didn't get weird enough or outside the box enough, and that's the kind of the concept of the show, we'll see what season seven has for us. And we're going to go ahead and get into this one in three, two, one play. Oh,

that was [00:37:00] weird.

Laugh: Wait a minute.

All right, 

Theo Harvey: are we interested for 

Mr.Benja: a moment there? I thought they might be switching over to instead of separate stories all connected stories because yeah They all seem similar or hey, I'm going into an AI system So maybe they are connected in some way and I thought I saw the bandersnatch guy in that.

Theo Harvey: Yeah, that's the bandersnatch guy so that's like maybe a continuation of a story and The there was a storyline about this woman who was trapped in a Star Trek kind of reality and it looks like they're doing exactly that too. So it looks like two of the stories may be sequels. The ongoing theme of, those little things that people put on their foreheads that, that continues, yeah. Sure.

We'll see. I'll watch it. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, so it's funny. I just looked it up. Somebody said that we should call this neo black mirror instead of the black mirror that was relevant. Wow. I wouldn't go that far. It still seems interesting. [00:38:00] Crack me up 

Theo Harvey: honey. Honey nugs. That's a funny word to me.

Mr.Benja: I don't know if you noticed it, but they did an AI glitching kind of AI movie thing that kind of weirded me out on someone's face. Like it was intentional. No. And I was just like, I don't know if that weird you out any of the AI movies, like when Will Smith was eating spaghetti for the first time, 

Theo Harvey: I hated that.

Yeah, that was weird, it was weird to me that hot dog in this one, it looked a little scary, a little hot dog feature that was a little weird to be the two ones of bandersnatch and USS Callister. That was the so it looks like they're going to be sequels to those. But to your point, I don't know, he did, he may put them all together.

I don't know. It might be interesting to see. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. There's solid stories, it'll work, if it's one of the, it's one of those things where you want something fresh, new and interesting out of every episode. So if they pull it back into something that's more of a [00:39:00] series, more of a continual kind of thing I don't know that's different, but not what.

We were expecting, as I said, I have no expectations. I'm just going to take what they give me as long as it's cool. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah, I think we'll both watch it. I'm cautiously optimistic because I got burned by the last one. Last one was OK. I think the only good one I saw was the one that was made fun of Netflix.

I don't know if you saw that one. 

Laugh: Yeah, that was a weird one. 

Theo Harvey: That was a weird one. They actually had we got the AI version of Selma Kayak. And she's played by this person. It's what I 

Laugh: really like that one. Yeah. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. And they were making fun of Netflix. It was just, yeah. Too many things going on. I'm actually okay.

We do too, man. 

Trailer Time: Lilo and Stitch Live Action

Theo Harvey: Maybe we'll do this Lilo and Stitch. I have a fondness for that movie. So I know you do. I, it's just funny to me, man. The cartoon. Yeah. So let's watch that one next. If you want, if you do Yeah, 

Mr.Benja: I'll do the [00:40:00] intro. So Lilo and Stitch, I know this got a lot of fans out there.

This was one of those Disney IPs properties that came out, was unexpected, literally by the studio and by the populace because of the way it was developed, it came out of a guerrilla group of developers who were like, Hey, we want to tell this certain story. And that happens every once in a while in these big studios, but this one is very dear to a lot of people's hearts because it just went in some funny directions.

And if the artist for legal and stitch originally, he's actually on some other stuff too. You can go look up some of his other art. I don't know if you have to. I 

Theo Harvey: have not. I don't know if I want to now. 

Mr.Benja: I'm just saying those those thick legs are part of his trademark. 

Theo Harvey: Okay. 

Mr.Benja: I don't want to. He like them.

Theo Harvey: He like them thick legs. THICC. Goods. 

Mr.Benja: Trick daddy type goods.

Somebody's looking up trick daddy right [00:41:00] now. Yeah. So anyway, we got Lilo and Stitch live action. People have been wondering about this one because the whole live action thing with Disney has been long and coming. Now they have the technology to really do Lilo and Stitch. Let's see what happens.

Go ahead and get into it with. Lilo and Stitch official trailer coming to theaters May 23rd in 3, 2, 1 play.

Laugh: Yes.

All right. All right.

Mr.Benja: I like how it was rated PG actions and 

Theo Harvey: peril and thematic 

Mr.Benja: elements. 

Theo Harvey: I have a prediction. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, 

Theo Harvey: this movie is going to make a billion dollars. Billy you're calling it. I'm calling it man. It's coming out. May. That's a good time. It's got no time for the summertime I'm telling you man. It doesn't have that Disney Stink to it.

It's like this dude is nasty man. He'll do some grimy stuff man. And who doesn't like that man? 

Mr.Benja: I mean he picked his nose with his tongue and then chewed on it I don't know if you [00:42:00] caught that. I did not. I 

Theo Harvey: did not. But just, it just, like I said, it just, there's a couple of scenes in that cartoon is hilarious to me, man.

One character's talking to his other character and they're just talking. He's just looking at him just weird. He just shakes his head, he picks up a shoe and just throws it at him, just out of random, just I just don't like you. We see scenes like that. Classic, man. Just gold, man.

Funny Ving Rhames he was the original kind of agent. Looked like they got Courtney B. Vance in that role. So I guess Ving Rhames, that he could, portray his original character. So that's unfortunate, but, yeah, man, I'm excited. And then the music, man, the Hawaiian music and Elvis music and then this beautiful scenery of Hawaii.

Like I said, man, I think it's a lot of things going for this movie that I think it's gonna make a lot of money. That's my prediction. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. So obviously it's on the, it's on the trending list, you're talking about, it's going to be a hit. It's already on the trending list. It's got 13, 000 comments and it was just released a couple of [00:43:00] days ago or a little while ago.

Yeah. Yeah, this is, I'm just looking through the comments and I think you're onto something, man. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah, there's something about this movie, it just, just lead on stage. He's not the, he wasn't most beloved when it came out, but just, it was just always stood out. And when you think about marketing, branding differentiation, he just, it's always stood out as a different kind of, cartoon or Disney animation movie.

And and just, 

Mr.Benja: It's like the accountant of the Disney movies. It's a cult favorite. 

Theo Harvey: Yes, exactly. Good point. And now all these kids, now the folks that watch the movie, they grew up and they have kids of their own. And so that's good. I think I was a little older when it came out, but I always liked it.

And I watched it with my daughter and I think I'm going. Take her, I she has a little spicy side to itself. So I always call her stitchy sometimes. So that's why I'm going to go check it out. They go take her with me. So that'd be fun. All right. One last trailer.

I think we're doing three. I'm excited. Yeah. 

Trailer Time: F1 Racing Movie

Theo Harvey: Let's do the F1. I [00:44:00] want to see what that's about. 

Mr.Benja: You want to launch this one? Cause I don't know anything about F1 and you and Jay, 

Theo Harvey: yeah, you had some good takes on, your reviews of different shows, but like F1 obviously that's been blowing up here in the States, F1 racing.

I had the opportunity to go to Vegas a couple of years back when they were actually going to do F1 racing there in Vegas. And you saw all the track and set up and people getting super excited. Yeah. You have what's his name? Hamilton, the black racer man, why am I drawing a blank on his name right now?

He just went to Ferrari after being years with I want to say Richard Hamilton. I don't think that's his name. He's the race drive, right? Race car racer. I think he's seven time champ, so he's been most decorated. He's up there with Schumacher and all the great racers. So it's definitely, interesting sport. It's one of those things that just in America really hasn't taken off, but it slowly started taking off things that netflix having a drive to, I think it's a drive to succeed kind of show. That got people excited about the racers and what they do. So yeah, man, [00:45:00] it's Yeah it's a thing F one racing.

And it's interesting to have an actual movie about it with, Brad Pitt in it and the rumored to be, and we'll maybe talk about this another time Damson Idris who's rumored to be maybe the next black Panther he's in it as well. So it should be interesting to see. This is F one, the official trailer, and we'll get started in three.

Laugh: Ooh,

Theo Harvey: a river.

Laugh: Okay.

Ooh. Oh,

huh.

Theo Harvey: Okay. What you think? 

Mr.Benja: I'm vibing on that. From the opening music to the way it laid out the track, I got good director vibes from that immediately, and it wasn't trying to be something else. And then. I gotta admit the Top Gun Maverick and the Apple Films logo touched me. 

Theo Harvey: Touched you how?

We got you excited about it when you saw Top Gun [00:46:00] Maverick and Apple? 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, both the Top Gun Maverick thing was like, Oh cool. I really liked the way that was shot and like it felt and brought in good vibes. And then the Apple logo, it's I don't know. I've just been an Apple fan boy for the past couple of days.

So it just hit me at the right moment. I was impressed with it. 

Theo Harvey: Okay. Yeah. I'm there. I, it seems going to be well made. But it just had me cracking up. You live by the van by the river, he's down his love. I was like you ever see a Will Ferrell, Ricky Bob, Ricky Bobby, the ballet of Bobby.

Mr.Benja: I may have fallen asleep on that one. Oh 

Theo Harvey: man, that's what that remind me of too bad. Is 

Mr.Benja: this down on his 

Theo Harvey: lung? You can't never make it. You never was just like, OK, we know the story. But man, kudos for Damson Idris, man. He's doing his damn thing. Hopefully he can get to the next level in this Hollywood game.

Did you ever watch Snowfall? I heard it was good. I need to watch that. Yeah, I heard it was really good. He did that for five seasons. That's supposed to be really good. So I might go [00:47:00] back, check that out and see how good he was. But yeah, he's on the up and. Up and coming list. And like I said, rumored to be the next black Panther.

So we'll see how he does in this movie against black black pit. Grok 

Mr.Benja: AI, could you generate a picture of black pit? Oh, 

Theo Harvey: it will. Find hesitation. Yes. Oh my gosh. Oh man. But yeah. Seems interesting, man. Definitely Grand Prix F1 shot by the guy who did Kaczynski, the guy who did Top Gun.

I think it'd be good, man. Yeah, I don't know if it's gonna make a billion dollars. It's gonna make some change. It's gonna make some change. 

Closing Remarks and Upcoming Content

Theo Harvey: So yeah, I mr. Benjamin we did it another one in the books anything got going on for this week 

Mr.Benja: Nah, man, I'm staying in the dungeon They're gonna drop off some bread and water on a tin plate in a few hours.

So that'll be my food for the week [00:48:00] I'm just in the dungeon, man That's pretty much it for right now. And I'm watching one piece, to keep my five brain cells still working. 

Theo Harvey: I love 

Mr.Benja: it. 

Theo Harvey: Man, I hope you enjoy it. Yeah, man, we'll catch up again, ma'am. Sure. Sure. Soon. This week can be, with some family time.

So we'll catch up next week about what that entailed, but yeah, man, super excited about taking some time with the family this week. So spring break. Bing bang. Man, I've been joining this as always. So look, everyone, if you'd like this, as much as we like doing this, please subscribe, comment, and at show versus business on X threads, YouTube, and Instagram.

Listen to iTunes, or wherever you listen to podcasts and go check us out on our website show versus business. When you learn more about us and what we do. I Mr. Benja have a good one. Peace.