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SvB E219 Streamer University BLEW OUR MINDS | Kai Cenat Just Changed the Internet Game BUT...

May 27, 2025 • Theo Harvey | Mr Benja

We deep dive into Kai Cenat’s Streamer University and how it redefined the content game.

Plus, we hit everything from Tyler Perry’s “Straw” to Marvel’s “Ironheart” and the AI-driven chaos of Murderbot. Pop culture meets pop money every time!

00:00 Introduction and Weekly Catch-Up
00:27 Deep Dive into Streaming Culture
01:59 Movie Experience and IMAX Discussion
07:59 Cruise Vacation and Relaxation
09:13 Peaceful Aggression and Focus
14:14 Comments and Community Engagement
30:43 Introduction to Streamer University
30:59 Understanding the Streaming World
32:21 Kai Sinat's Streamer University Concept
34:32 The Network Effect in Streaming
36:18 The Future of Content Creation
41:27 The Impact of Streaming on Society
44:35 The Role of Technology in Content Consumption
57:21 The Value of Art and Content
01:02:16 Trailer Reactions and Discussions
01:08:19 Diverse Heroes and Their Unique Journeys
01:09:12 Iron Man's Evolution in the MCU
01:09:48 MacGyver Style and Trailer Release Strategy
01:11:24 Grading the Trailer and Viewer Comments
01:13:18 Discussion on Character Strength and Development
01:16:16 Tyler Perry's 'Straw' Trailer Reaction
01:26:50 Murder Bot Trailer Reaction
01:37:50 Outro and Final Thoughts

Link to the Full Video: https://youtu.be/-hydLeCgvPI

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SvB E219

Introduction and Weekly Catch-Up

This is show versus business with pop culture means pop money. Your host, the Real Theo Harvey and Mr. Benja. And I am Mr. Oh. Mr. Benja, what is your week like? And my name is, I think we messed it all up, man, but it's all good. We gonna keep it going. I want a part of the intro, but carry on. Carry on. Oh man.

It's so Mr. Benja, man. Let's get right into it, man. How was your week? Oh, man. Week was going, it wasn't my normal weeks until Kai Sinat and Streamer University broke my mind. We're gonna talk about this later, but I spent, I'd say a good nine hours of a day that I hadn't planned on, really doing much internet or computer work at all.

I spent nine hours deep diving, jumping around. Being in the comments, finding out what was going on. This thing, it continues to scale up and grow. And what I mean by this thing is this whole, I don't even know what to call it, this new streamer, influencer, Twitch live stream thing that's happening. And I'm finally at the point where I'm like, I don't know what y'all are doing.

If you're young and really into this stuff with Twitch and the streamers and all that, please listen up and let me know what the hell's going on, because this is wild to me. We'll talk about it later. But that's, that was the highlight. Just me deep diving, not deep diving, even just being fascinated by all the stuff going on.

Biggest thing of the week, I'm, I might start a streaming channel. Should I do that? Maybe. Maybe. Seems stressful talking about it. Yeah it's a lot, man. It's too much out there. Mr. Benjamin man sinners is still going or strong, the movie oh, you see it again?

I did. I had the opportunity to go hang out with my brother in Dallas, Texas and see the big 70 millimeter IMAX one that Ryan Cooler was waxing poetic on, on one of his YouTube channels about this is the biggest format you wanna see the movie on, and did not disappoint Mr. Benja. The story still resonated, but to see on such a big screen, this is like the three story high one, where it's just covers the whole basically side of the wall where you almost feel like you're sitting in the movie.

Right there with cornbread hanging out. And it was one of those where I was like, wow, this is amazing. So he did this weird thing where it would start off as the normal movie scene, right? Yeah. Like the long form and then certain scenes. It would slowly, gradually get bigger and bigger, so it was like, go like this.

And you're like, whoa, where are we? And I like that. And he had some scenes where it would go straight instantly to the big screen. To the big three story screen. Yeah. So obviously the one that, that does the gradual part of it is the one with the miles or the Preacher Boy is singing and when all the ancestors come and start, dancing around them, that scene of course fills the whole auditorium and we're immersed in going back in time.

So amazing film. Awesome. Kudos to Ryan Coogler, I think is made over 200, almost two 50 million just interna in the United States. Yeah, and they got a chance to put it back out there. So I have a feeling that this is gonna be one of those movies where they may be able to rerelease it maybe a year from now.

'cause people probably seen it. On their TV screens or on their, or their phones. But they're gonna be like, I wanna see on the big screen. So they're gonna have to re-release another five, 10 years to see it on the big screen again, because that's too much money to not see it again. Yeah. Imax is there a no, there's a history for that definitely of, Hey, it's this time of year and everyone likes this movie back to IMAX or back to the screens and let's do it again.

We just re-released Star Wars sif after 20 years, and that made 25 million. That's Star Wars. That's a little more ex obvious, I think, to the populace. Dude, there's a lot of movies that are getting released, like 10 year anniversary of this movie, that movie. Go look it up.

This is a thing now. It doesn't get as big of a release, but that's a big thing. Hollywood is looking to get people back in the theaters any way they can. Yeah. And nostalgia is always a good play. You know what? I think centers might need a popcorn bucket. Except, here's the thing, instead of popcorn spit my, instead of a popcorn bucket, you're heading out a cornbread box.

Hilarious. So you know how the nachos have like little cup of cheese, me and a cup of like a little cup of maple syrup with some jam in there. Have everybody walking out the of cornbread and jam all up in the beard. Oh man. That's hilarious. I heard that was going viral on TikTok, my wife telling me that the cornbread scene loud folks are.

Doing, I guess reacting to that scene where he's, trying to get into the, to the duke joint and they keep keeping him out. And it played just as funny in the big screen theater. So yeah, when I watched it again, so yeah, that's, that scene is hilarious, man. But yeah, the seven Deadly Sins.

I saw it now once you brought it up the last time we spoke about it. Obviously cornbread is slough. We had a smokers raft, so now then it gets a little iffy, who's lust, who's what's the other one pride. You start thinking like who's who over time. But I start, me and my brother played that game to see, who we dig designated as one of the seven deadly sins.

Yeah. Yeah, as I said, I don't think it's a clean delineation on every character, but no it's very apparent that I. You usually have one character that mostly embodies that kind. Oh, gluttony was easy. The Delroy Lindo character, all the drinking. Yeah. So stuff like that. Yeah, it was, yeah. Good stuff.

Irish. Ooh, that Irish beer? Yeah. No, the Irish beer. Oh, gimme little swing that. Oh, you know what's terrible is when I saw that, you can tell it's like good acting and good presentation. I had a flashback to a memory of when I was a kid in New Orleans, and I remember somebody feeding over a drop of alcohol like that.

Oh, you got a little crowd, Royal. And I'm like, as a kid, I was just like. Man, you need your own liquor. Liquor like that. What's wrong with you? And as kids, they let us actually, they let us actually taste this. Hey, listen, so you don't come in here sneaking or whatever, here's what it tastes like and this and that.

It's for adults. You're growing, drink your milk. We'll drink this. If you want chocolate milk or strawberry milk, we'll get you that. This is for adults. And we're like, cool man, whatever Tastes, tastes funny anyway. And we didn't go crazy like that. But this. I saw this old dude, man, he was just like, Hey, got that crown roar up in there.

Oh Lord. And I remember all the older folks in my house just looking disappointed yeah man, we got something. Don't calm your old ass down. So yeah, gluttony. Yes. Yeah, gluttony is real. Yeah, man.

Cruise Vacation and Relaxation

And also I had an opportunity to be on a cruise for the first time in I can't remember when, over 10, 12 years.

My wife and I took a couples only, so no kids, which was awesome. No, no daddy. And 20 heads turn right in the middle of a, of the walkway. We yeah, it was good man, relaxing, just down the we, we live in the Florida area so we just went down to Key West and then the I guess Caribbean, if you want been to me, I think that's the name of the island.

They had a little private island. Yeah, man. So I hadn't done a cruise in a long time, but definitely it's a step. It's been stepped up a long time since the last time I went okay. Really enjoyed the food and just the ambiance and everybody gets their own little balcony where you can be on the C to sea at night.

Yeah. Yeah. So it was cool. Yeah, man. Enjoyed it. Yeah. So it was, relaxing. Got, got a little id, a lot of ideas, man. You're sitting out there on the gangway or whatever and just with the water coming and you just, it's amazing how that does that. Yes. Just sitting ideas and just fending away writing down ideas, ah, I can do this, I can do this, I can do this.

And just, I just love that time speak.

Peaceful Aggression and Focus

Speaking of ideas one, one quick thing. I mentioned before I started talking about streaming university this week I was digging into pushing things forward, right? Still on this, hormo z Hardy social proof David Chan just these people we've been talking about, Myron Golden, et cetera.

And I started into this idea of peaceful aggression, and where it's once I know the emotion, once I know the feeling, once I know the vibe, I don't have to keep on going back to that. Because every morning I don't have to wake up and turn on eye of the tiger and start punching the air and be like ah, that's, that'll wear on you.

If you're trying to do that for, you can do that for two weeks in a row maybe. But if you're trying to do that for two months, two quarters, every day just really being on it like that, it's Hey man, peaceful aggression. So I get up and I'm like, whew, samurai kind of action, sharpened my sword, get down to work, start doing this.

Someone calls, it's my cousin calls, Hey, I'm looking for, I'm sorry, your logo will have to suck for six more months. Thank you. And I just hang up the phone. It's like I'm not doing your logo work. I'm just peaceful aggression. I'm aggressively doing this and call somebody. Yes, I will f you up if this doesn't happen.

This is peaceful aggression. I'm not mad. This is just what's gonna happen. Just matter of fact. It's just yeah. It's just, I've already had the alarm bells ring and everything, so I know what I need to be aggressive on, but I just don't need to quote unquote be aggressive. You know what I mean? And it's made me feel slightly odd like the super villains, like Lex Luther, whatever. But it's very calming. You're just like no, I'm going in here. I'm gonna rec shop. And if they get in the way there are consequences, this peaceful aggression. I feel great about it.

Okay. I think Ren from Ren and Sniffy said is like, when he finally achieved peace is when he realized that I like being angry. He was going crazy, angry one day, and he's wait a minute. I've never felt this good in my entire life. I think I like being angry. A Arin and Stimpy reference man.

That's a deep one. That's a deep cut right there. So bad know. Crazy funny times watching Ren and Stimpy. Yeah. Wow. Awesome man. I think that controlled aggression. Know it's powerful, right? You can't be on point all the time. And I'm trying to, I think it's s sortal, sometimes you're high, sometimes you're low, and just trying to find the right medium.

You don't want the aper, what's, is it the aperture? I think that's the one that goes the height of the curve, the higher it is. I want my apertures to be a little bit smaller so that I'm not all, ups and downs at the highs. Not the super highs and the lows.

Not the super lows. I wanna keep 'em. In that average range, right? So that way I'm not dealing with ups and downs so much. So that's how I like to run as well. I don't like to say super high and super low. I try to stay me, like a little flat line. 'Cause that's the best way to be 'cause you don't stretch yourself out and all that.

But 'cause you can, as we know, yeah, there's a ton of ideas to do. We were just talking about this before we joined the pod. We both got, this is just the entrepreneurial mindset. Also as an artist, you know yourself, you get so many ideas and you just, sometimes you used to get so excited by idea that you want to do it like right away.

But sometimes I try to put 'em in a box and I think you told me that years ago and just Hey, I'm gonna get to that and, let me just keep focused on what I'm doing. 'cause I don't wanna distract from that right now. So yeah, I definitely understand that peaceful aggression. 'cause if you don't, man, distractions will.

Tear you apart. Boy, you'd be down a road so fast. You're like, wait a minute. How'd that get here? Yeah. It's yeah, totally. I got an interview I might send you later from Derek Grace, but I know how you feel about him, but there's a certain part of a certain part of the interview that's.

Interesting. I should say the least. Or he send it to me. Send me Derrick Grace, man. Just do it. You want to you might as well be affiliate partner, man. Go be affiliate partner, man. Oh my goodness. I might buy a book off of him 'cause of you in short, he got into a gunfight and was very chill about it.

In fact, too chill. Oh yes. I love it. Oh man, Mr. Yeah. That that's that. So thank you all for listening to us catch up on what we did for the week. I think it's a good way to start, this podcast just giving people a little community who we are and whatnot, and our angles on things.

But we do have comments to talk about. You wanna get into some comments, Theo? Let's do it, man. Yeah, we love when y'all add comments and let us know what we're talking about, because a lot of times we don't know what we're talking about. Because so much information is going on. You guys have a lot of information on stuff let's have a conversation.

First of all, let's go with Max Exodus. He replied on the hem trailer, like the way you guys look into the little details. Great job. Yeah. A lot of we started doing the trailer thing and a lot of the conversation around what's in a trailer? Is it part of the story now? We think it is. And Hollywood's rolling these trailers out in certain ways.

And it's not just Hollywood, video game companies, everybody has to have a trailer. Everybody has to have their brand. And we start to look into, okay, what are they serving us in this trailer? What are they trying to say before we actually get the full meal? And, that's taken me to look at trailers in a different way than I did before.

Yeah, I don't know. Trailer details. What do you think about that, Theo? Yeah, I love it. Thank you for the comment. I think we try to think about it holistically. Obviously Mr. Benja has a background, from an artistry standpoint, the game development. So he understands, what color schemes, what, angles are going with the story wise and all that.

And I'm coming from the business aspect and looking at it like, what's the brand? What are they trying to say about this? If it's part of a franchise, how is this extending that franchise? What's their projection on how this positioning itself in the marketplace? And it really becomes that these trailers are becoming a microcosm and what we do here at show versus business, right?

And so I think that is why we want to kinda get into details of what our projections could be from a financial standpoint, but also from from just the art artistry side of things. And if you go to other, there's other folks that do some of that, but they either do it by themselves, right?

Or they do such a small subset of, of one or the other. So I think having us both on that gives us a little leg up. Getting a leg up. I'm not even sure what leg up means. Just a, an advantage, unfair advantage, basically. No, I know what it means, like in terms of breaking it down, but I'm like, leg up.

Are you climbing over each other and your leg ends up on top of somebody else's face. It is probably some English thing, a German thing that some immigrant brought over and it's, it caught in El Lexicon. Just stuff that we say all the time just gets caught up some kind of way. So it makes sense at the time.

Now, to your point, we don't know where this came from. Part of me was thinking about it, I had to do with, lifting your leg to pee on somebody below you, but get.

Oh, guess what? We got this mar marvelous thing. Where'd the phrase to get a leg up come from? The EDM get a leg up originated from horseback riding. It refers to the act of someone helping another person mount a horse by providing a boost to their leg, giving them a lift to the saddle. So did you search Google for that?

I did, and the AI overview was the first thing I read. So I dunno to Google was, so I did Google search while you were doing that and it gave me a very similar one but it did not give me the exact same thing. Okay. There you go. Yeah. Interesting though. Very similar in wording, like the way from the way you said it, but I'm starting to just wonder how much processing they're doing to.

Give custom answers based on what we say. We know large language models, they're predictive models. They're just putting words together. That makes sense. And and the time I asked, but then again, you gotta think I asked it maybe a different way than you asked. And maybe the way you asked it made it come up with those word combinations that make sense for it. So anyway, it's not really thinking as we all know. It's just basically predicting what should be said here. Hey, I don't know, man, back in the late nineties that they were talking about, the Dreamcast is thinking so.

Oh, interesting. Maybe thinking Interesting. Hey, real, real quick. I know I quick shout out to the ai. I know we maybe go do an AI's podcast later on, but I wanted to just bring this up. I sent you a podcast I listened to from Bulwark. There's this, conservative think tank, and they trying to put some content out there.

They had a a author who wrote a book on open ai. The company that's, came coming up with the most of the AI innovations right now. And it was interesting. She made a good point. I gotta look at who that author was, but she made a good point before Cheche BT 3.0 or, came out the chat bot that changed everything.

People for a long time for ai, people didn't really have a clear definition of what human intelligence really was. So something that was artificial intelligent. They were just, making up stuff. So there were all kinds of research in different directions going to what if you just create something that could be like a human, where we just gather information and come up with its own kind of intelligence over time.

Okay. Or there could have been a way, we could have built it where we could create a study lab where all the great experts would feed it information. You would pay these experts to feed it the great information to come up with its own inference and this decision making. But because chat GPT with a large language model, figurative way to just suck up everything from the internet so you don't have to pay nobody.

That became the def facto way of how we're defining. AI now. Yeah. And so all those other methods are gone, and we're focused exclusively on sucking as much data from people as, as fast as possible to make these things more intelligent. Yeah. So I thought that was interesting how one little change in history, if that Chet PT moment didn't happen, will we be thinking about ai Totally different now, several years later.

Exactly. So I digress, sucking up all the data. All right. Yep. For free. You got a comment? Yeah. Yeah. I. At Michael 7 5 8 2. He gave a comment on our trailer reaction to Highest to Lois. They said the movie looks interesting with two great actors and a great director.

Denzel and Jeffrey are top tier actors. Spike Lee has been praising ASAP Rocky's performance in this movie. Yeah, I agree. Denzel Washington, Jeffrey Wright definitely two greatest actors. Denzel Top tier act of all time. Jeffrey Wright, anything he's in is always very interesting. I would say ASAP Rocky.

Sure. He's a rapper, going down that path, so I'm sure. And then Spike Lee joined, doing his thing. And the interesting thing this highest of Los is is based on the Japanese cinema. And so it's gonna be interesting. Spike Lee did that before he did it with old boy.

What was that movie? Old boy? Yeah. Old boy. Old boy. Yeah. He did it with old boy. So it's kinda interesting. I didn't see, did you see that version of his Spike Lee? No. I've seen the original version and yeah, same here. I started to, I think I have one of those things I started to stream and then I was like, let me cancel this before I, I just never got around to it.

Yeah. I don't know why Spike Lee did that. It's maybe the money was good. 'cause you don't remake a classic like that movie is so iconic in so many different ways. From twist to the octopus eating scene to the fight in the hallway. Just lemme ask you this. Do you have a thing against something that's older?

Like it's, it's, or do you, because a lot of people when not I'm noticing a lot of people when they watch something, they're like, they don't want to see the old version simply because it's old and the way they view cinnamon, whatever. It's the idioms the photography cinematography, the clothing and everything is old, not a date.

And they want to watch the current version of whatever story you're trying to tell. With me. I'm like, no, I actually want to watch the old version because that's the, that's where it originated. That's where it came from. So I'll watch old, somebody caught me watching old black and white movies and they're like what are you doing?

It's oh, this is the inspiration for such and such. I'm just gonna watch this. I need to understand where it came from. And I didn't realize some people had such an aversion to the sound quality's terrible. I'm like that's not the point to me. But I don't know. Yeah. I'm not unopposed to watching older films.

I do feel like sometimes, still a little slow for me, because we're so used to the editing style and cutting style, but it's so fascinating. 'cause, I can find so many things in those older movies. Like sometimes I'll find actors now that were nobodies back then or somebody, or that's still acting today.

Oh wow, look how young they look. Yeah. Or or like certain phrases, quotes that we say today. I said, oh, that's where that came from. Yeah. So it's just interesting to kinda look back at those older movies to kinda get, especially the classic ones. I'm just saying that just, trying to remake some of those classic movies is tough.

And so yeah. When Spike Lee tried to do that, it did became and I think because, oh boy was such a comic right now. I've seen ones, there was a movie, a vampire movie called Let the Right One in. I think it was a it was a vampire movie, spoil Alert, but it came out like maybe 10 years ago, but, or 15 years ago now.

But then the remake was like only five years after the original, which I think was fine. 'cause it wasn't that classic yet 'cause it was like, kinda like what they do well before Netflix, of course, remember they would have all these TV shows that were or movies that were made overseas in different countries.

They bring it here and they put the American spin on it. So that's pretty much what they were doing with some of these movies out in other countries. But, yeah. But oh boy, spike Lee or the, I forgot who the company was it Paramount or Warner Brothers who decided to release it?

Probably didn't take it into account that this movie is so iconic that you shouldn't touch it at all. If you, so anyway, so I think that was my concern with it. But to the com point, I think great actors Spike Lee. Super excited to see where this goes. And so yeah, it's, hopefully it comes out soon, so we'll let you guys know when we see it.

See now I'm wondering if I should watch the original before this one. I wouldn't. I'm gonna watch this one first 'cause it'll Yeah, you're probably right. You're probably right. All right. And a real quick one from real quick comment from French Toast for Life says, Hey brothers, both. Hey, me and you. I hear rumor about John Cena wanting to become a Terminator in the new movie.

I. I did not actually know that, didn't hear that rumor until you mentioned it, so I looked it up. And yes, Terminator franchise reportedly I, John Cena and Margo Robbie. Interesting. I'm not sure I'm not sure if I could if John Cena is the Terminator. I'm not sure I could take him seriously though.

That's, that was my first thought. Could be great. Could be whatever. Or now if Marga Robbi was the Terminator, that'd be interesting. That would be interesting. But I have no idea what's going on here. Yeah. What made the original So I. Iconic was, we didn't know who Arnold Schwarzenegger was. So he had the physique and John Cena has a physique. Yeah, sure. But that would also made it, because he was a blank slate. So we just didn't know what was gonna happen. So I think John Cena would perfectly be miscast in this. He would not be the right role as a Terminator. Now, to your point, they switched it around and made a, they did that before.

They didn't do well. There was a female Terminator, I think, in one of the movies. This is. We talked about this, maybe we need to do IP index and kind of gauge where these franchises are in the IP index. We talked about Tron, is it is a six on the ip, the cha versus business IP index.

Yeah. But Terminator as a franchise man, it's, they trying so hard, man. They can make this thing a thing. The first two Yes. After that, I can't remember one for, and they had some good actors in it. They had Christian Bale Batman on, they had the Game of Thrones actor, what's her name? Emma Clark, try to do it.

So it just, they just can't, I get it. I think the, or one of the hard issues that may have come from it creatively is that you're constantly sending people. In a situ. It's hard to break out of the format of there's somebody in the past and some clowns from the future come in and start messing up their life, and then something gets resolved and then years later it's they're, try it again.

Send some, it's just the same kind of format and with, within any given story, how do you tell something fresh, advance it and still remain true to the fact that some clown is sending stuff from future. It's almost like zombies at this point, instead of people rising around and biting each other, you've just got fools coming in from electric bubbles and trying to kill everybody.

So it's like, how do you advance that? And this is something generally that's hard with horror unless you have a kind of, I don't wanna say a. Story. Obviously you have a story, but unless you have something that encapsulates the central fear item in a horror movie, it's gonna get old quickly.

Like we were talking about with Final Destination. The fact that there's a story about it, a curse and the family, it's like, can we break this curse and all that? I think they've been replaced, man, by making 2.00, that's right. Think about it. This is, we're in the AI age, this is where we are right now.

And so there's a lot of AI anxiety right now, and that, that plague to it, in the eighties, right? When it was like such a futuristic concept, oh, AI robots gonna kill us. Guess what? Maybe not be too farfetched. So we are in the Skynet future right now, and so any day now, right? And I don't know, is it because we're too close to it?

Or maybe they need to reshape the franchise to better react our reality. So I don't know. So we'll see. It's interesting. Yeah. To put it in, in, in terms of the video game, there is no resident evil. It just keeps on coming through the portal and showing up. One of the things about resident evil.

Great title, by the way, is that it's not the zombie so much as it is crazy people in society starting to do stuff and that's the problem. So if there was some crazy people always trying to do something with this technology, I'm sure there is somewhere in the story that kind of poked at this, but it really doesn't give the essence of what Terminator could be.

All this to say, we love this franchise and if John Cena comes out looking all corny as a Terminator you bombed again. That's all I'm saying. I'm done with that. Yeah. And guys, look, thank you for your comments. We're definitely gonna build a community around some of the things that we talk about, so please keep 'em coming.

So appreciate it. Alright. I still have a headache from last night. It was so much information, dog. So Streamer University, let me just jump to it.

Introduction to Streamer University

We need to put a chapter mark here because people want to jump to this Streamer University, Kai Snap and Twitch. Theo, do you know what this is?

In general? What do you know? Let me ask that question.

Understanding the Streaming World

No, Kai Sonnet, obviously, he is one of the top streamers out there. He gets all the celebrities on his stream. If you don't, I know much enough about streaming Twitch, where basically people are just always on the C camera, either playing video games or just doing crazy stuff live.

Totally makes sense that, someone has a better sense of how to connect with his audience and he's always on, so he's always getting instant feedback. It's almost a theater actor gets better as a actor because they're getting constant feedback versus a TV actor or a movie actor.

A stream actor or a stream performer, if you will, they're probably getting better and better at how to keep you engaged, keep you talking and all that. So it does make sense to me. It just seems like a lot, to do. But, I get a sense of that. Yeah, so that's my understanding of it.

It's just, these guys are putting together content that is always on and that can seem a little dystopian to me because I wanna live my life and do other things beyond just watching someone entertain me and then finding ways to keep hooking me to stay on. The streaming platform.

Yeah. So anyway, so that's just my 2 cents on it. But yes, I'm familiar with OT and streaming, but not streamer University till you told me. Yeah.

Kai Sinat's Streamer University Concept

So this is funny because what was put out there a while ago, I glanced at the headlines and I thought I knew what was coming. I was like, oh, okay. Kai Sinat is doing this stream university thing.

So what I thought, what was your thought? Yeah. What was your thought exactly? What I thought actually lines up with, because I heard about it maybe a little over a week ago, and then getting closer to it, I heard it again. So what I had in my head is what I decided to search like around sometime last week and I said, what is Streaming University?

I really quickly just wanted to, because I haven't been keeping up with Kai and the streamers lately, and this definition that comes back from the news sites, the the blogs and everything, the old. Its old media, basically says Streamer University, A concept created by popular Twitch streamer. Kai Sinat is a program that brings together content creators at a college campus for a weekend long event.

The goal is to provide a platform for up and coming streamers to showcase their talents, connect with, and it makes it sound like, yeah, whatever. They're just gonna sit around and talk. N no. This is next level content creation. I don't know if you ever knew about the streamers who all get together in one house where they're all streaming at the same bro, this thing is some next level acting, improv, comedy influencing, streaming new media like reality tv sponsorships. People getting into arguments, fights, clicking up, hooking up romance. You've got a couple people with, links to their clothing, their entrepreneurial things.

And then some people are linking to the only their OnlyFans content or their yes. Little spicy bits in there. If you actually, they didn't do anything blatant, but if you look around, there's some spiciness in there. Like what?

The Network Effect in Streaming

Anyway, you get 150 people together and basically say this is the network effect on steroids.

Normally it's Hey, I'm gonna have a TV show. I'm gonna talk about X, Y, Z. It's no. I am going to bring in 150 people all with camera crews. And when I say camera crews, iPhone crews. We're streaming crews. We're gonna start doing improvs, we're gonna start filming each other.

We're gonna start. Recording and we're gonna start reacting to each other. So if you've ever seen the graph of you have one point here and one point here, and there's just one connection between them, that's old school where it's I'm a provider, I'm a listener, and it goes one way, then all of a sudden you have the idea in mathematics.

So something going two ways where it doesn't just go from the audience, I mean from the developer to the audience. It goes from the audience to the developer. And they both had the shared relationship. It goes back and forth. We thought that was groundbreaking. So what if you had a third person in there and all of a sudden you see, oh, now you have all these different links coming together.

Basically this is a huge recursive, exponential connection of intelligence and things happening. I say it, I said intelligence in terms of the network, neural network. It's one big fault kind of thing going on. But there was some con, one of the streamers actually said. Was actually offline, not offline, but not connected to anyone else in her dorm room.

Just this is such low intelligence work. I don't believe I'm doing part of this and da.

The Future of Content Creation

But it's just this wild storm of content going back and forth and people reacting to reactions and people making content about the reactions and doing it in three days at a university campus. I swear to you, I've never seen anything like this and I've, I rabbit hole, man.

I was on x, I was on, a little TikTok. I was on Instagram, I was on YouTube. And the content from these 150 or so people think about 150 squared connections and all just going all around blew my mind. And yes, I have a headache from taking it all in. Yeah, man. Wow. There's a lot to unpack on there when you said, so I like how you thought you said that the old school way, right?

I think we're old school. We remember them days. Look, this is gonna be, a bunch of streamers together. They're going to university, have some seminars and figure out how they're gonna work together. That's the old way of thinking about it. Just, yeah.

By sitting down, taking notes, maybe just some comment coming out, some content coming out of it, but nothing, form, nothing as that big. It's just more like a kind of a seminar. Kinda like a conference, yeah. If you will. But I. No, this is the new school.

The new school is, we're gonna have a conference and then they may be talking about stuff on the behind the scenes in other areas, that we don't know about. But while we're here, we all have comic crews. We all we're feeling content too. Yeah. And and anybody can film any kind of content, whether it's content you're gonna be in someone else is gonna be in.

And so you're right. I was doing some, I had to go back, brush off my math book here, man. Yeah, you're right. The whole, the network effect, so yes, you're right. Adding, in a network of end users, right? The value of each connection is generally considered to be the same.

But what happens is when you start adding, in plus one additional users, that becomes a value of Square, to your point. So the example they gave here, if you have a network of 200 users, so you got 150 of these folks around, there are 19,900 potential connections, right? But when you add just one more.

User, the number of connections increases to over 200,000. Yes. So you just, so you score So one, so now you're adding just these one more connection. So to your point, you're getting vastly number of different angles, different storylines, multiple storylines and one video at the same time. And then, trying to track 'em all, if you're trying to track one storyline, you, where you Getty mite and go off on a different storyline.

Based on the people you're following. So I can see why you got a headache, bro. It was fascinating. There are all these people right, just in a room arguing not so much arguing, but they were having some discussion about something and you could tell they were fishing for what the content of the discussion should be.

And then they started arguing about some dumbness. It's you said last week that you were gonna do this and that. It's I didn't say anything like that. Such and such said that. No, it was you. And it got into one of those kind of weird things. And then I saw a guy in the back just pick up his phone and man, y'all stupid da, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna leave.

And then the chat, I saw his name. It's like this person man, he always leaves and da. I'm like, who is that? I search on Twitch, find that guy. I go to his stream on his stream, he's just walking down the hallway, man, they talking all this stupid shit. I didn't know this and that. So now I'm going down this guy's path.

Mind you, I've still got the other window open. So I'm hearing both audio streams of this guy complaining about them and them still arguing. He's going down the hall, he goes in his room on his stream. He decides to watch other people's streams to see what's going on at the rest of Streamer University.

So this guy who is dejected goes to his room. Opens up his stream, opens up like four windows of other people that are streaming. And I'm watching him watch four other people, and still, I'm still listening to the first group of people arguing about what he didn't care about anymore. So I'm just fascinated.

I'm like, my internet connection is bogging down because I've got so many Twitch streams open. And yeah, somebody comes in the room and they're like, Hey, did y'all see what happened to such and such? I'm like, oh, he got hurt. What happened? And I searched that person's name. You go, they're like on the tracks.

Somebody decided to have a race, right? So they, I cut to the track. It's, I don't wanna say low level content, but it's just very basic. But there's just so much of it. Yeah. It's not highly produced. It's not like really deep thinking. It's just a lot to keep track of.

The Impact of Streaming on Society

I, I wonder are we hitting the upper limit though?

This is this will test that out. Upper limit of how many people you keep engaged on these type of content level. It's genius because, if we can create a network and reflect with people, you can create more content, because I think they're gonna run it, this is my big grand prediction for influencers.

AI will replace them, right? And so the only way you stay ahead of AI is you create so much massive. Community. I said I thought to the, I was gonna write this down. See that's why we gotta write stuff there, Mr. Pitch, because I had this idea. Yes. I said, the way you stay abreast above AI is have a product ecosystem.

So basically, yeah, write it down guys. This is notes from above. Have a product ecosystem, basically oversubscribed the writer of Oversubscribed talks about this basically, they, they have different product levels. So yes, you get one piece, somebody can copy your book, but can they copy your service or can they copy your your product?

So those are things you have a suite of products that all work well together, right? So they can stay in your ecosystem. And the other way is community. If you have a community of folks that either a, you create content with or community of people that just, love the content you create that can maybe stave off, ai, generation 'cause so to your point, my whole point is saying that I understand why I need to create so much content to stave off the AI generation of content that's coming.

And if they can do that's great, but I do feel like there's gonna be an upper limit. 'cause I'm looking as a parent, right? So I have young kids and stuff, and all the parents I talk to, we're seeing where this is going. And obviously there's always talk of banning TikTok, right? In school, kids not longer having phone in schools.

So I do feel like there's gonna be a backlash to all this where the kids. Yes, they're gonna be on the internet, have their Snapchats and stuff like that, but it's gonna be very downplayed. They're not gonna be as ingrained in the content like we are or what the my, my kids are more like Gen Z, young Gen ZI think millennials and older Gen Zs, they're gone.

They, this is what they're gonna see for the next, for the rest of their lives, right? Yeah. This is how they grew up. This is all they know. Just like you and I, we know TV and movies. Gen Z and younger millennials, they understand this stuff, but I think kids younger than that, they're, this is gonna be, this is not where they're going because it's just too much.

It's overwhelming human senses. You don't have time to do anything. And then we're gonna have to rephrase what it means to kind because the ones who can stay away from that, I think, we see it with stoicism, the rise of stoicism, focused on what you can control, things like that.

I think what we're seeing, we're gonna see a backlash to this because this is too much. You're someone who's very capable and you're saying this is way too much slop out there, and it's just, and it's not beneficial for anything. You know what people were arguing about the idea of too much content and they're like just sit down, have a cup of tea, watch a three hour Scorsese movie or something like that.

And it's yeah, I show speed is streaming right now and this guy Coco, nada just showed up in the stream too, and I gotta see what they're doing. That's more entertaining. And so I don't know if I don't know if this idea of it being too much, it's just, shifted.

So instead of one big block of time, with three hours of watching something very deeply. Okay, now switch that over to a bunch of 32nd clips that have been created. In fact, you know how. In a lot of movies and shows. They always talked about the, even you saw this in Back to the Future too, where when they turned on the television instead of one screen showing something, there were a wall of monitors or just a bunch of split screens where you could see everything going on at once.

Multiple people had that going on, and I had an inkling of that going on when I had three windows of Twitch open just watching back and forth. Good point. And I think this is just, it's opening up this new level of, hey, maybe I we've been saying, the idea of going back to the community that's coming back, maybe not in the way we think though.

So instead of the community going out somewhere, it's get a bunch of people together. We all start streaming and connecting our experience and suddenly it's I am, we're all connected. And going out. But that just means we're all connected. And maybe not in a chat room, but maybe there's a way in the future that we're gonna start talking to each other sharing information.

I dunno if you've ever been on a a big shared information whiteboard or big, I don't even wanna say group chat 'cause that seems outdated, but yeah, just a big, group chat of everybody's, showing their information. We're at a E three or some event, the Comic-Con and people are just sending photos of, Hey, I'm over here.

I'm over here. Here's a video of this and that. It's this crazy group chat that's linear. How, and that can be flattened, that can be made into this new thing that I don't think we have a term for. And I, with this. Things like this have been done before, like streaming university.

Let's make no let's be clear about that. But the level at which this is done, it's clearly going to be a part of the future that's coming up. I don't know in what way. I don't know how we connect to TV anymore. I don't know how human we are anymore.

You basically this weekend has watching Streamer University has questioned the whole human existence what it means to create and create meaning around this thing we call life. If this is our art. In other words, right? Art used to be a way we understood how our life was living, right? We watch a painting.

Oh yeah, that I feel anger, right? Or I understand that story. What it, we create meaning around circumstances. But now, you just, there's no meaning. It's just circumstances and just, hit getting dopamine hits to to find out what's gonna happen next as opposed to How does this relate?

If watching this guy complain, seeing these people argue, is that enlightening you about what it means to be human, it's a, to me I'm thinking that, okay we were talking about the network effect and all that, and if you have a concept of the cell phone where, you have to make it valuable on its own.

So people would play games by themselves, they would watch videos by themselves. They would do all the stuff by themselves, and the value was in the thing by itself. Now, at a certain point, you start to cross over into this new level where you're no longer valuable by yourself. You're only valuable if you are a part of.

The networked system. So anything I watch, it doesn't, let's imagine the situation where anything I watch or consume will not have value unless it's connected to the network. You're like how does that make sense? You're like how does that make sense? And it's what value is knowing what the weather is going to be if you're not going outside?

People talk about the weather because it affects everybody else. It's hey, if there's a snowstorm, then you know, I'm not gonna get my food. I won't be able to order out. You start to talk to your cousin. It's Hey, are you coming over this weekend? No, it's a snowstorm. So weather is naturally a social kind of discussion.

Now imagine everything becoming a social discussion where has no value. Unless it's part of the network. That's what I'm getting at. Okay. So you are conflating the reason why we need certain pieces of data because it affects, other pieces like, the weather example you gave, but the social media, the network effect of it all that could have more value and meeting just to be a part of that.

'cause your conversation in a vacuum won't have any relevance, is basically the argument there. Is that correct? Yes, and I think that's how we stay a step ahead of, pure value for the sake of value. It's if I'm by myself, should I eat a, should I eat pasta or should I eat curry rice?

If I'm by myself, I have that decision, right? If I have, if I'm in a group of international friends and they're all from India, it's Hey guys, let's have pasta. They're all gonna look at me like. Dude, we eat curry rice here. It's oh yeah. So all of a sudden the network decides what I eat, and all of a sudden the value is in the fact that I'm with all these people.

That's scary. Then what's the individual agency, right? That's taken away then at that point. Because now you're not, you're part of a hive mind, that you always see where it's just this is what I wear, this is what I do, because I'm part of the network. Let me just put this out here and, we guys, we're getting deep, deep here.

This is too deep. Let us know. But yeah, so I, let's table this for discussion later. I just wanna bring this point up though, Mr. Benja, in the interest of time, you know what, if there's a way, the technology, this is the exciting part I got. The technology would be a way that you can. You can't follow this humanly possible, all these different storylines, but what are this technology that can follow it for you?

And then later on you can go back and find out, okay, where, I wanna follow this guy's storyline for the last, 24 hours. Can I pull that piece out and find out what happened? So can there be like real time editing, right? To pull that section out? 'cause let's say I'm interested in all these, just like we talk about like I have so many ideas.

Sometimes I can't keep up with them, so I write 'em down to go back to later. Yeah. Whether there's a way we can do that with this content. There's gonna be so much content, so many different, if we create these network effect storytelling techniques, can we create real time editing? Let's say you wanted to find out, like right now I'm sure that guy, you may be interested to find out what happened or that track guy that got hurt.

What happened there, can you tell me the, what happened the last 24 hours with that storyline? Now I can see that being, more meaningful because now there's a, it's a true story, beginning, middle, and end. Right now, all we are is just entering in second acts. There's no true beginning, there's no true ending.

It's just all stuff in the second act where it's just things are happening, but why is it happening? Because it started, he left the, he left that audience, because they were tripping and he wanted do his own thing and there's no ending. 'cause, yeah.

He's got, can create content. Here's what's amazing. That whole story was framed around the fact that I thought that one guy in the back leaving was interesting. Somebody else may have been like. Focused on any of the other people having the argument or right there, and they may have gone down their own rabbit holes of wait, how, why is such and such arguing in the first place?

Or why are they, why are these two people choosing sides? And it's it reminds me of how we used to think about these new video game stories that we're telling with multiple endings. And, you ask one person when they played GTA, Hey, how was it to you? I went here and did this and I pretty much just built up some my casinos and clubs and, that's my story of the game.

Talked to somebody else. It's oh yeah, I became a mobster. I was going around as a hitman, and that my story of the game is that I'm a hitman. And nobody has an idea of what the story is. They just look at this big series of data points and connect their own dots. Yeah. So that's my big takeaway from Stream University that all these individual influencers and whatever have brand deals.

Some of them are gonna be selling you makeup, some of them are gonna be selling you energy drinks. Some of them are gonna be selling you their spicy content. A lot of 'em are like teachers. But the artistry in this, to me was just the way it was set up where, you have somebody who's very good at, there's like cooking with Kayah, I don't know if you've ever seen cooking with Kaya Kai, I dunno if you've ever seen her.

No. No. But she held a cooking class and people came to the class and were, doing the dance and everything. So it was content at the same time as it was actually teaching people at the same time. It was. Just so many angles, man. Yeah. One thing I want to shout out to DC was it RDC world?

They not included, and they're the big streamer in, in their own right. They do a lot of sports content. Matter of fact, I think they even have, they're on commercials now, so they're stepping up their game. So I noticed they weren't part of this, and I'm sure there were probably bigger streamers that also weren't a part of this.

This is probably folks, just below, level to see what they can do, which is smart. So if he's, yeah. If he's putting a hundred fill so he's getting bigger than all the other streamers by creating his network effect. So yes, on his side, I think he's definitely at the top of that.

Yeah. And he's probably gonna be bigger than Mr. Beast. That's my prediction potentially. Who made a cameo? He did. Yes, Mr. Beast made Camry, he knows where his, but he know where his butters breads butter. Oh, this guy's coming, he's coming for the crown. Man, I gotta step in there. Yeah, because Mr. Beast is he on streaming a lot, maybe every so often?

Or he does streaming? Not so much. He generally does his productions. Yeah. And they've become a thing. But he showed up and basically gave, $10,000 briefcase to Kai Sinat and was like, Hey, somebody, one of your streamers here is gonna have this. And he made it a whole thing about, giving away the money and all that.

Again of course that's his brand, but yeah, man, cast night is definitely coming strong for that Crown man. When it comes to who's moving the internet, 'cause streaming looks like, to your point is moving in that direction. And you made a good point. I was just saying, Hey, true art.

I think, we're talking about two different things and we'll move on here.

The Value of Art and Content

You were talking about like the time spent with the art, it can be time shifted, right? Yes. I could watch a three hour, Goodfellas movie, or I can watch, this guy, f around and find out right about stuff.

So just, it's just time shifted. I just said though, in my opinion though, I think the the time that's spent with some of the more, interesting content creates more meaning. That's all right. I do feel like there is more meaningfulness that can come outta that kind of content versus, now I'm just saying all the times, but, yeah.

Some of the stuff I'm seeing with Kaisa, I don't think it's as meaningful for the human experience, yeah. I didn't want to make that kind of value judgment on, what's interesting to somebody, what's. What's educational, what's meaningful, what's, I will, I don't care. I will, this is, in my opinion, yes.

No, it's not as, as I said, the, I think the value comes from not necessarily the thing, just the fact that the thing is connected to another thing. And yeah. But it's just okay, where are you? Is it providing insight into the human experience? Are you feeling something that you can relate to or can bring back to, I don't get that now.

Cooking with Kai, you're right. The teachers that do stuff on there. Yes, absolutely. They're bringing some value there. If or Mr. Beast, if he does a class on how to go viral on YouTube or something like that, now to your point, can, does art have to, that's the other debate, right?

Does art have to enrich your life? If it, it could just be art. Can art exist on its own without having to create any meaning, right? Is that the. The argument there. Sometimes, if you were to, if you were to sit me down and, show me nine hours of, and I guess I've done this in some cases where I've watched, listened to nine hours of podcast and all this, you know how to get famous, make sure you put your brand out there and this and that.

Or I could watch nine hours of different streamers connected. And actually, I think this gets back to Gary v's. Point in a lot of ways. You just have to jump in there and find out what the hell is going on. What makes these people, what gets them excited, what are their commenters talking about?

What are they, what gets shared, what ends up on YouTube is different content than what ended up on X, which is different content than what ended up on TikTok. So I totally get your point where it's like. You remember Gary v's quote where he was like, I don't read books. I read the comments. Yeah. Where it, it, it wasn't meant to say, books are done or whatever, but he's no, I know what's going on with the people because I'm out there with the people now.

Do you, do the people know what they're talking about? No. Yeah I'm not saying that people are stupid. Look, people, we're reading comments too, right? On this. I think that guides what you're doing. 'Cause. Look, we could have me, you could have this conversation on the phone, right?

We, we've had for decades, just have conversation. So why we put it on the, out in the media, right? Because we, we want an audience, right? And the audience does enhance our conversations. I do believe that. So I agree. I think, reading comments and stuff and having it for, art out there for public consumption is important.

Now, to your point, maybe the comments that are coming in has guided Kai Sinat and his team to go this direction. 'cause this is what people wanted. I don't know. Maybe they saw enough con comments and they judged that, and then over time have evolved this style that I may feel is slop, but his audience does not.

So there you go. And you're right. So I think that's a good, that's a fair point. I don't think it's art, but then his audience does, because they're the ones who are commenting and he's, I'm assuming he's listening to them to create the content that they want. Just like Tyler Perry.

This might be a segue to our trailer section, but it's a Tyler Perry. He has an art style that I don't agree with. I don't know if you agree with, but he's got an audience and so who am I to argue with that? Yeah. Yeah. We could go on this forever. And there are so many different angles to this.

The in notification of technology, ai, slop is a big one. Content for the sake of content, always being on curate. Nothing. There's so many different angles and a lot's out there. Ladies and gentlemen, just don't get lost in the sauce. Keep your creativity up and keep your.

Keep your business up and make it happen.

Trailer Reactions and Discussions

Speaking of somebody keeping their business up, you wanna do some trailers now or you got anything else to say? Let's do it, man. Let's do it. All right. So upcoming. We've got three separate trailers at least that we're gonna do. Yeah, we'll cut it off at three.

I think we'll just go through 'em quickly. Got Ironheart straw with Tyler Lap Perry, and I think we'll do Murder Bot. But anyway, let's get into it. You queued up with the Iron Heart right now. Let's go. Alright, so this is Marvel Television's Iron Heart, the official trailer, and we're gonna start it right now.

All Wait I heard a chuckle there. What does that mean? Mr. Benja? Ah, yeah. Re, re upping these. He's house you. Okay. You're into it. Go on. Talk. Middling. Middling. It's about what I expected. I didn't see anything earth shattering here. But, I just. Liked. I like the actress, I like the character, even like the villain.

I remember him from Marvel days. The red hood. Yeah. I don't know if you know about that. That guy, he's something they created in the last, what, 15 years at Marvel. He's kinda like the low level villain. They actually turned him up a little bit higher in the last couple years.

But he actually had his own comment for a second. Just a regular guy got a red hook. Nice. Makes me invisible. Yeah. Yeah. And he got guns. It just it was basic. Then all of a sudden some mystical crap got in there and now all of a sudden he's doing all this crazy stuff. So yeah.

Marvel man, they're villains. But yeah, from the business standpoint, just trying to develop this, obviously, this, this is already probably getting some damper in the WebSphere, the whole woke ification of the Marvel MCU. Here's a replacement for Iron Man who's a black female.

Sure, yeah. Whatever. But she was introducing, to be fair and wakanda forever, but black Panther. But I think there, there could be some pushback to it from a marketing standpoint, but I'm all there for it. It's always good to have different storylines and then, and expand upon that, but we saw how well that went with the Jedi over at not Soka so much, but really the acolyte, that got stymied a little bit. So we'll see. Even from Wakanda forever, which was, Hey, we have Tchaa here and now we're gonna pass the melon to his sister, kind of thing. So even with that, there's that kind of vibe of, at least in the public discourse and the way they market it.

I thought it was cool. I just I just wonder, once again, like I said before and about this, the way they're presenting, Hey, I'm a new character. I am not just. This other character with that same power set or whatever. And I've had a problem with that in terms of hey, these characters need to be strong with their identity.

Diverse Heroes and Their Unique Journeys

You can't just be, hey, I'm just put the same mask on somebody else with the same armor on somebody else. It's like there's more to these ca characters and heroes than that, and I don't wanna see them just flub it. Yeah. Flub. Yeah. Just put, quote unquote a different face. Two, the same character, if you will, but miles, Morales, he was one of the first big ones that really hit it big and he's become his own thing over time. Yeah. Which was, a whole, even his name's Alliteration, right? Eminem just Peter Parker, p and p. But Miles has become his own thing over time and he's, half black, half Latino, and and he, but he has different power sets, and but it's just hard. I haven't seen Marble do that with anyone else. That on that level.

Iron Man's Evolution in the MCU

Now Ironman has become a thing because of the MCU Look guys, truth be told. Ironman was never a thing really in the comics like that, let's be honest. It was only because of Robert Downey Jr. That he became a thing at mc ever.

The biggest problem he had was drinking, let's be honest, guys in the comic books. But so now he's the beloved that having anybody even sniff near his power set and what he does that doesn't look like Kim is looking for some smoke potentially. Unfortunately, yeah. What I did like about this is that the very beginning they MacGyver or, and I actually wonder why it took so long to get this trailer in the first place.

The show is coming out in a month. And we haven't really heard much of anything until this trailer. So maybe that's part of the strategy, just Hey, just. Get it out there quickly, hit 'em fast and hard so they don't have too much time to think. But speaking of thinking, I really like the way they set this up with a, here's a cheesy little trap.

And it's listen, we've been through that before. I'm about to MacGyver this thing. If you don't know who MacGyver is, this is person. I would always think his way through traps in situations. And I've got a, I've got a tape recorder, two sticks of gum, and a monopoly board. Watch me, watch me build a, a working motorcycle.

It's like I used to stay, I used to beg my parents to stay up. I used to hate the fact came on in LA after Monday Night Football. So I would stay up late and I would sneak to watch it, man, because I just love that show. Mcg, MacGyver, man. He would always come up with something. Yeah, he used to love that show.

So I think that's a very strong angle and that actually makes me really wanna watch this. Just to get more of that MacGyver style. And, the suit is clunky because obviously she doesn't have the nanotech and everything. She's just making it work. And I think there's a good message that could be had there as well, Hey, make it work.

So yeah, I am digging this.

Grading the Trailer and Viewer Comments

You got any more to say about it grade wise, from a business standpoint, I gotta ding it a little bit. I'm gonna give it like a B minus only because the differentiator is not strong enough yet. To your point, maybe showing her, doing more of those MacGyver things could help, not just jumping into the suit right away, maybe, but we did see her in the suit in Wakanda forever, but still maybe, working up to that at the end, do you know, is this something she's gonna earn?

So maybe that would've been a better positioning for this character, but so yeah, B minus it seemed like passable, but nothing like must see. Yeah. You know what? I actually think I was happier than I thought I would be. Instead of, I was happy to actually really get into any moments of this interesting relationship with this guy.

MIT I'm cool with it. I'll give it a, I'll give it a straight B plus. Yeah I'm okay giving someone b plus, so I'm good. Yeah. I'm just looking at these comments. I like this. I always like to get the comments. Someone says before it gets review bombed, I'm gonna just say, I'm hyped and this trailer looks sick.

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And you know what's funny? This other commenter pointed out this line 'cause they had the line in the trailer that said iconic and says, wants to build something iconic, builds another Ironman suit. Yeah. Yeah. There it is. So yeah, we're gonna get a lot of that guys. It's just the climate we're in right now.

But. Yeah. That's why I said they, they gotta make her stronger as a character. That driving force behind, what makes her, and it is sad. It's almost like what happens in real world, right? She has to prove her medal. Yeah. That she deserves the iron, the Ironman suit.

So you gotta, she's gotta prove it over and over again in every episode so that they can say, okay, yes, she can have it now. Yeah. And when you say a stronger character, you don't mean strong in terms of power levels, you mean? Yes. There's more to the character. Yeah. A true arc. A true arc, what is her arc?

Her dad's sick. Ironheart, I don't even know, be Beyonce. I don't know enough about the character. I don't even know why she's called Iron Heart. Someone's heart broken and she gonna fix it. I don't know. So let's get to that. So hopefully that. If they just leave it there and just yeah, what, because I used to be a track star and somebody broke my heart.

No wrong direction. Don't do that. Yeah. Yeah. And, what I don't want to get into is trying to like the character for what it is instead of creating something new and original that could really stand on its own. Yeah. And I don't know enough about the character. Maybe they have enough in that from the comic books, I don't know.

I can tell you right now though, she's she's way not as popular as Miss Marvel. And, even though the TV show, did you see Miss Marvel at all the TV show? I did see, yeah. You can tell that's a strong character even though the, I think the show let her down. But that's a strong character and there was a strong actress to play the character.

So I think. And that was all set up in the comic book. So I don't know how strong that character is. When I say strong, there is a likability factor. There is a strong story arc, it's a strong point of view that makes her uniquely different in Kamala Khan as a character.

I don't see the same with Riri, at least right now. Exactly. So besides the name

Rewe girl, where you going? Girl, I always thought Riri was the cutest name. It is the cute name, REWE, but it's just call Becky man. It's okay If they had a, if they had a terrorist on the news and they were talking about some horrible acts and they said, the terrorist's name is Riri. I'd be like, hold on a second, let's hear her out.

Riri would be that happen.

Alright. We're looking forward to this and I, I actually might jump back on Disney Plus for this guy. What? Okay. Yeah. I'm interested still give it a b plus for the trailer. I have no idea what the show is gonna be like for the trailer B plus. Same here. Yeah. No, you said B minus.

B minus. B minus. I said B minus. Thank you. Yes, you did. Alright. All right. You ready for the next one? Let's go tie the pair of straw. All right.

Tyler Perry's 'Straw' Trailer Reaction

Let's see this is our reaction to Tyler Perry's straw. With Tara GP Henson, Sherry Shepherd and Tiana Taylor starting right now.

Oh man. Tyler Perry's a subtle as a rock Fall on your head, man.

Straw. The last straw. Oh my. Yeah. So deep. So deep. I'm actually digging this. What? No. Hold on. I'm taking this start. Stop it. Stop it. That's what he does, man. Don't fall the trap. Don't fall on the trap, man. That's what he does, man. As my wife, man, Wil, all his concepts are amazing. I don't, he just knows how to create amazing concepts, but they're dodoo, trust me.

Trust. They're not good. This redeemed Tyler Perry for me, or am I being sucked into the,

Watch if you want to, man, but I'm just telling you man, that's just what he does. That it is, it looks like an amazing concept, but I got a couple problems with it already. Obviously I do think there's. His need for something like this, a story, set it off update, but with, reminds me of, you remember John q the Denzel Washington movie.

Do you remember that one? That was pretty good. When he was in the hospital trying to save his son. That was a good movie. Obviously he had Denzel Washington. Great. Phenomenal actor. But it was a story about our healthcare system, how it's felt, the common man. So I think if Tyler Perry wasn't as melodramatic, that would be a great opportunity here to talk about how the economic system has, harmed folks who are without the means to survive.

But I don't think he's going with that, with this, right? And so that's kind of it. There were some moments in there, a little over the top, a little bit. I was like, man, that's about right. And I'll be honest with you, Tiana Taylor didn't strike me as FBI negotiator, or highish negotiator.

She, her face is just too strong. She's very pretty, but it's just very like someone that works. Would not be doing this job like that. Maybe they'll be on TV talking to folks, but not Yeah, in the, in, in the clutches, like on the phone. Girl, I'm trying to get you out, let's talk, she'd be on TV somewhere, so she's, she's very beautiful, but just very striking face, so it's just, no.

So anyways, those are the two comments I have. Any thoughts? Ooh, that negotiator has very well done Eyebrows. Yes, they listen to her. Yes. Yes. They got looking good. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah. If you ever seen her, you, she's been around a while, right? She's got a very strong face, right?

And so it's just you know what? Just don't forget it. That's a good point. I wonder if they should have pulled him Carey, from that one movie, and Yeah. Was it Precious? Precious? Were they Yeah. Precious, yeah. Where they took her down a bit. But yeah. They made her like, look like amazing.

I'm like, this is distracting me from the concept of the story. Now Taraji made sense. She had to get her looking rough. 'cause she's a mother. I get that. The bank lady, Sherry Shepherd, had her looking plain. But the negotiator is on flies. Hell nah. That, that, that threw you off.

Yeah, it did. I was like, what? What's the story about? Yeah, I dunno. That's just my tis Tiana gets a pass for me. She's just kinda eh, Tiana, whatever. You expect the same Tiana whenever she shows up. She's gonna be in that we did the review, remember she's gonna be in that new Leonard DiCaprio movie, right?

And I think that's, she's gonna play his wife or baby mama. She wasn't, she looked striking in there, but she wasn't all made up though. She remember she was shooting those guns and stuff and it was like, yeah that's probably the look that she should have went.

They should have went for here. But who am I? Yeah, you're right. I don't know. The thing, that thing that scares me, and to your point, is that in these types of trailers, when they show the action, they show the characters back and forth, they give just a small little hint of that underlying story that, that through line that kind of makes it a little more than just, Hey, this is a message in a, a message.

Yeah. You don't just want like a message in a bank. Or, and coming from Taraji's life story, this makes, it almost makes too much sense where it's I'm gonna be sitting in the theater thinking, yeah, she was talking about this on the news, yeah. And I start to remove myself from the story and start thinking about real life, which is what I don't wanna do when I get into a movie.

I. I want the weight of it to be there. I just don't want to think about Taraji and her personal story while I'm watching a movie about what's supposed to be a overall theme in life. Oh, story around like single mother and all that kind of I know. No. About not getting her fair shake.

She doesn't get, oh, she, she couldn't pay. She was like, I just need my check. And she's oh, then Don talk about cut the check and everything. And that's what's in my that's the last production that's in my mind from her. And that's a problem, Perry. It's like Tyler Perry should be beginning to breaking off.

Come on now. This is just the third movie they did together, I think, or fourth. So yeah, you would think, nah, I just don't wanna I'm scared, man. But as far as trail goes, I'm hype. I don't know. What's a great, this. From a business standpoint, it is overdramatic to me.

Especially when they put in the whole gospel song in there. I don't know, was it I don't know what song. It sounds like John B. Key or something. The, was it Mississippi Mass Choir? The background, so I was like, okay, yeah, but that's perfect for his audience, so I'm gonna give him an A for marketing.

Yeah. Nobody knows, yeah. So I and all black women, so this is Marketing 1 0 1, know your audience. And he definitely knows that he's probably got him hyped. And so this is a, for me, but even though me personally, I would not grade it that high because it's not for me. Yeah, you know what I'm looking in the comments and it said, Jona Q is having a bad day.

Boy, the references are strong in this one. Jona Q. Yeah. And it's they're all in here. Set it off. John q comments. And I didn't read the comments. I already knew, man, the references that were gonna pop up. It's so funny. I still think it's a strong trailer. My only flaw is that it really didn't hint to anything of story interest.

There's a bad day can't cash your check. Your daughter needs help. Love all that. Get it. But it just seemed a bit too straightforward in that respect. It was twist. Yeah. So it was a twist. And I didn't get any hint of that from the trailer. So I'm waffling between an A and an A minus.

You know what? I had overly low expectations for Tyler Perry. That's why I think of it a little bit higher than it should be. A minus. I like it. I wanna see more as far as the trailer's concerned. A Okay. Awesome. Alright. Thank you for watching that one with us. Should we do an outro on the trailers?

Thanks for watching on everyone. Yeah. Hey, comment. If you want us to do outros, let us know. We just like to just get right into it, but it's up to you guys if you guys wanna do a lot, a little outro or something. I think it doesn't matter. Yeah. All right. So that was our trailer reaction to straw.

Let us know what you think and liken the comments and share retweet. Yeah, do whatever you want because we're just doing them. In fact, we're gonna go onto the next one right now. All right.

Murder Bot Trailer Reaction

This is our official trailer reaction to Murder Bot, a trailer that came out a month ago, but has 30.2 million views, and I figured, Hey, we should watch this starting right now.

Yeah. So Muff yeah. So I already have an opinion, so I'll let you go first.

Yeah. Why does this have 3.2 million views? Is there a big book audience for this? And so it was based on a book? That's correct. Yeah. And why did they, why did it feel like it showed so much? Those are my three, those are the things I just came to mind. It felt like they just really started telling the story.

I don't know how far it goes, but I

Interesting stuff. Are you intrigued? Is this on a level of C for you? For Apple tv. Okay. For, so yeah, there has to be a certain amount of intrigue. That's part of my criteria for watching a trailer. You watch it and it's not just oh, that was good, nice explosions, or this and that.

There ha to me, there has to be a hook a vibe that, that makes me want to react in some way. I. Such that in the future when I'm deciding what to watch on TV or if I'm going to the theater, or, I just want to stick in my mind. I can tell you now, a week from now, this is not gonna, this is not gonna be in my mind.

It's just not, there's nothing, it's not bad at all. I kinda like the concept. I kinda like the way it was filmed, but the trailer presentation just seems so cheap and schlocky. Hey, I'm a robot. I like this. Here are my funny little quips. It's like I watch all this tv. Okay.

But, okay. Okay. I need a little more tension. Gotcha. I felt the tension just there's two pieces of tension. Tension that they're gonna find out. He. Is off his, his what's it called? He's I can't remember the term right now, but he's he can do whatever he want.

He's rogue, he's not tied to his AI programming, so that's number one. So the, they're gonna find out number two, is he gonna revert back to his old AI programming where he's just gonna kill everything and go off the rails. So it does dive into that AI anxiety we're all feeling right now.

So I think that's something, plus his tongue in cheek. He's, he wants to watch streaming shows, which this is a streaming show, so Haha. Jokes on you. Meta, yeah. Is futuristic, so you got a little futuristic thing thrown in there and what it means to be human and all that kind of stuff. But like you said, it is based on a bestselling book, I think a graphic novel, I think it was.

And so people are digging that. And when you look at the comments people seem to enjoy, if you read the book, they said, this is. Hitting all the the pleasure centers, right? Because they've seen, yeah, they watched the book and so the inner monologue with the the robot in his head has to keep in there.

Just the whole streaming series that he's watching has to be kept in there. It looks like it's there. Yeah. I don't know, man. Yeah. What's interesting is that this is one of those things where you start to get a little more appreciation of it from other people's appreciation of it.

Yeah. Where people are, keep saying, they're mentioning Sanctuary Moon, the series that he was looking at in the, on his streaming service or whatever you wanna call it, and people are in the comments like, dude, I never thought I'd see Live Acts, sanctuary, moon, and this other person. I hope sanctuary moon actors get to go ham.

And it's this one guy, I screamed higher than I've been able to scream in nearly 15 years. I own and read this whole series of books. This is exciting. I can't knock it. It's hitting its audience, it seems, and as I said, the 3.2 million views is the only reason why, we pulled this one out of the archive and decided to watch it.

Maybe I check out the books. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe I do too. And they make a good point. Apple TV plus single handedly keeping Sci-Fi Alive Foundation, dark Matter Severance cslo, ah, C Cslo Silo, excuse me, the Gorge for all Mankind Fam u that's my favorite show. It's the reason Apple TV plus is one, the only streaming sub that keep consistently.

He ain't lying. Yeah. Shout out to that commenter because that's Apple TV does, man. It has some great sci-fi stuff, man. You into that. So yeah, murder bot. Fits right in that, I think. And then also, last but not least, Alexander Scar, scars guard man. He's been around for a long time. If you watched blood he was in, succession.

He just, he has a face. He could be, a leading actor. And he did. I think he was Tarzan one time, but he's such a, what's it called character actor, right? He can be comedy, he can be funny, he can be straight laced. So he's, just, you know how some people, they look certain way, they sh they could be, I could be a leading man, blah, blah, blah, but he's not, he's like a off kilter type of actor.

Yeah. So it's kinda interesting to see him play this role. Isn't that funny? I thought that was amazing to me how some actors are like, very character actor, but even though they look like they shouldn't be. Yeah. But they are. It's he's one of those guys. He's been in some crazy shows.

I saw him and he played like a he didn't talk for one, a whole movie. Yeah. He was like he one, he was, he played a weird a weird kind of a person, who was off his meds or something like that. So he's been all kinds of, he's been like the stud. He's been the weakling.

He's been all kinds of different actors. So he's got range, so kudos to him. So we'll see how this does. Yeah, man. So my grade for the audience, I would say marketing wise, I would have to say, it's quirky to me. I would, it is hitting the brand, but to your point is going to that audience and this Martha, I think the author's name is Martha Wells or something.

Yeah. Martha. Martha Wells. She's not as big as Tyler Perry. So the biggest thing is how can they expand this brand out to other folks? Did that work on that level? And I don't think it did per se, because I do feel like, you made a good point. It's what is this exactly, this is hodgepodge.

Where's the tension? I do see there's tension, but I don't think it's ramped up enough to your point. So I would give it a b right now as far as can they expand this brand outside of the core audience who are hardcore? Yeah, exactly. As far as this trailer goes I'll give it a, I'll give it a b plus.

Okay. I want to, I wanna give it a b plus and not an a, because, I was thinking maybe I'm being too, maybe it deserves a little more credit because of what it's doing for its audience. But then I had to think back and no. There have been a lot of other properties fallout came to mind and Yeah, good point.

The Boys Fall, but Fallout was based on a huge video game. The boys was based on a huge comic book. And what I'm, and what I'm saying with those is that they cater to those audiences without feeling like they're only catering to those audiences and they're relying on it.

These were still really good trailers that were interesting, I think, to people who were outside of the loop. Okay. I just I'm looking back at some of these other trailers now. I'm like, no they're good quality. But yes, B plus I'll give it to 'em. Maybe a b No I'll leave it at b plus.

I said what I said. Said what you said. Son. Oh, man. Mr. Benja, I think we covered it all today. Anything else coming up for you this week? I may want to check out the aftermath of streaming university. Man. People are still going live, and the thing is, people are gonna keep going live talking about what's happening.

This is the last day of it while we're recording this right now. And it's bonkers man. Twitch created its own category. Just for this Mr. Benja have fun with that. I will be grilling. No, I'll not be. No, you're right. I will not be distracted. Back to it. I got a book to write.

I'm taking down notes. That's what's about. Yay. Do that freeze frame, Mario. Yay.

Yes. Maybe we all, you, me and Dr. Chris gotta get all together and come down to super Mario, super Nintendo land man. We hang out, do some content out there. That was fun. Yeah. Yeah. But hey everyone. Thank you for listening today. Please subscribe and comment at show versus business on X Threads, YouTube and Instagram.

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