SvB E222 Are we getting Influenced by AI? | Father's Day Special

Theo Harvey and Mr Benja go live on Father’s Day, breaking down protests, AI hype cycles, community-building with Cassandra (“Crafting with Cassie”), Star Trek Strange New Worlds, and the biz behind AI‑generated ads.

Expect raw energy, laughs, and real talk.

00:00 Introduction and Greetings
00:19 Protests and Personal Experiences
02:02 Parenting Philosophies and Childhood Stories
05:19 Critical Thinking and Algorithms
12:08 Harvard Mindset and Social Dynamics
27:13 Community Building and Entrepreneurship
34:33 Old School Methods and Modern Challenges
34:40 Facebook's $14 Billion AI Investment
35:21 Understanding Scale AI's Role
38:20 AI Hype and Reality Check
38:54 Apple's AI Benchmarks
40:39 The Illusion of AI Thinking
42:52 AI's Limitations and Future
52:24 Entertainment Industry Shifts
52:29 Warner Brothers Discovery Split
57:58 BET Awards and Streaming Influencers
01:03:37 Meta's AI-Generated Ads
01:09:13 Viewer Engagement and Comments
01:10:37 Discussion on Wicked and Wizard of Oz
01:14:47 Trailer Reactions and Movie Discussions
01:23:46 Star Trek: Strange New Worlds Reaction
01:35:02 Final Thoughts and Sign-Off

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Introduction and Greetings

Theo Harvey: Hey everyone, this is show versus business with cop culture. Beats pop money with me, the real Theo Harvey and me, Mr. Benja. What is going on, Mr. Benja? We are alive again here on Sunday night, father's Day. Can you believe it?

Mr.Benja: You know what, man? 

Protests and Personal Experiences

Mr.Benja: Uh, all I can see is, is this protest business. That's why I got the protest background going on. I 

Theo Harvey: see, man. I see. I I was in the middle man. I was, I know LA man. Well, first of all, man, you doing okay? You know, if all the shenanigans going down to LA it looks like that's ground zero for unfortunately.

That's of, that's the 

Mr.Benja: media. That's the media lying and talking a lot of noise. 'cause it's really not like out of control everywhere. It's, it's very localized. 

Theo Harvey: Okay, good, good, good. Yeah. I was in Orlando this weekend and uh, yeah, we were downtown and that's when they had the protest. And so we saw a lot of folks, uh.

True story. My daughter was at a Stray Kids concert, her first concert ever. So K-pop. And so my wife took her and my 9-year-old and I were walking downtown and he started getting a little nervous 'cause he saw all these protest signs going around. I said, don't worry man, we're we're gonna get to the hotel, so you gonna be okay for, for my window.

We can see the cops sitting there waiting, you know, to see if anything pops off, saw the protest. We didn't see the whole protest, but we saw people walking toward it. And so I, you know, part of me was like, man, we should just go and support. But I was like, Hey, you know, you just don't know how it's gonna pop off when you got your 9-year-old.

So, yeah, I avoided it. Yeah, my, 

Mr.Benja: uh, well they took, my parents took me to, uh, a bit of a march once, and that was it. They're like, all right, rest of 'em, you're doing it on your own. Mm. And they just wanted to take me out to show me, you know, whatever. But yeah, they were like, you know, it's, these are choices you make and all that.

And, uh, they, they definitely encouraged it, but. It wasn't something they were like, Hey, we're not trying to, you know, indoctrinate you or whatever in a certain way. You grow up your way. Whatever. 

Parenting Philosophies and Childhood Stories

Theo Harvey: Oh man, your parents are awesome, man. Their philosophies on parenting

here. It's up to you, son. You know, just, here's a knife, here's a gun, here's a book. Make your choice. 

Mr.Benja: I didn't realize how interesting my parents were until I had a moment. I was so frustrated with school, right? I wasn't doing bad in school, but I was just frustrated with it at the moment. I was like, God, school, uh, just come on.

And my parents came in. It's like, all right, time. Get ready for school. You know, you gotta go to, you know, get, do this and do that. All right, let's go. And I'm like, I don't want to go. And they're like, come on, you know, you gotta go. And I was like, I don't wanna go. And my dad, you know, my dad wasn't like, he was chill.

He was like, huh? All right. Usually he'd have some way of coercing me or, you know, getting me to move, or, you know, he'd walk back in the room with like a screwdriver and, you know, pull off the, pull the door off the hinges or unhook my computer or something, and I'd get, get all pissed. But this time he didn't do anything like that.

Um, he brought my mom back in and he's like, son, tell your mom what you told me. I was like, uh, I don't wanna go to school. And they're like, all, all right, well, we're just gonna go make breakfast, so in case you do want to go, you know, just, you have like a half hour. And so they left. And then they came back a little while later and they're like, what are you doing?

And I was like, uh, and it was getting weird now because I'm realizing that it's on me, right? Mm-hmm. It's not just this little battling back and forth, it's on me. So they're like, so what's it gonna be? What are you, what's, what are you doing? And I said, well, I don't want to go. My mom was like, okay. I. Why?

And they started questioning me and I was like, well, uh, uh, I, I think I've, I've learned a good amount and today just doesn't feel like a good day. And you know, I was a little elementary, you little kid logic, right? I was just, I don't know what kind of BS I was saying to them, but, and then my dad would ask a question and my mom asked a question.

They were like, okay, well if you stay home today, uh, we don't want you to waste your time. Uh, learn something, do something, be productive, you know, just love it. Just don't waste your time. And I was like, huh. So they packed up and left and said, uh, my mom always said this when, you know, when she was leaving just to be funny.

She's like, if you cook something, don't burn the house down. 

Yep. 

And, you know, I just remember that. And they left and I was like, huh. And I remember cleaning my room and, you know, I went, we had a big shelf on the wall, big library shelf. And I went in there and started reading some books and looking up some stuff and.

I think I may have turned on History Channel or something. And, uh, but you know, I, I goofed off of course, 

Theo Harvey: of 

Mr.Benja: course. But next day I went back to school and I was like, man, I have a choice. I'm gonna go learn something. It was, 

Theo Harvey: oh yeah, what, you know, it's the, what they call the fallacy of choice. Uh, you ever heard of that term?

Yes. Yes. So will you, uh, you know, for my speaking training last week, will you say to people, it's like, say yes and yes. Say yes or yes. Excuse me. So it's like, oh, you know which one do I, so yeah. So parents if you finish or is you done? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. 

Critical Thinking and Algorithms

Theo Harvey: So just giving people that sense of control, I think that's important nowadays.

I mean, even though we all know we're run by algorithms and habits, you know, you'd be surprised. A lot of stuff you do from a habit standpoint is hard to break. And then also the stuff that you watch on the internet is driven by the algorithm. So it's are we really have, uh, self-determination, right? Do we really have free will in a lot of ways, I would argue probably not as much as we think, unless you're like.

You're intentional about it. Right? I was talking to, uh, Dr. Chris, shout out Dr. Chris, um, earlier today, just, uh, congratulating each others on Father's Day. And we were both talking about that. I was like, man, people be surprised. These algorithms, man, they just drive so much of your thinking and I'm really helping help my kids be intentional about what they watch.

Like, look, yeah, you can watch some of this fun stuff, but like, take a moment and like, you know. Figure out, like, these are the things that you're gonna watch that are gonna help you. Like if you're obsessed with my son, obsessed with basketball, sure you can watch Jesser and all these other YouTubers goof off, right?

Making fun of basketball players. Or you can sit down and understand like the mechanics of basketball, understand how to do the pick and roll. So, you know, let's do both. Or my daughter wants to watch out these videos on straight kids and actors and skincare, which is fun, but you know, why don't you take time and figure out someone who's actually an actor and figuring out how they develop their C craft.

So just being intentional about their social media diet, I think is so key. Um, so yeah, it's, yeah. They don't teach kids that mean school is so behind, man. They, they need to teach people, whew, this is, this is, that's why his parents' job is getting so much harder, man. It's just like, 

Mr.Benja: yeah. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. It's just like you gotta teach them to do things that you're still struggling with yourself.

Mr.Benja: Yeah. Yeah. It's, uh, it's, it's wild out there. I, uh, I went to my, my niece, uh, she, she showed up. And she was spending some time out in San Diego. Mm-hmm. When I was down in San Diego. So, you know, it wasn't a permanent thing. She's like, Hey, spend some time in San Diego, whatever. Yeah. And I ended up, um, picking her up from school one day.

They're like, Hey Benjamin, uh, we're going out to dinner and this and that, and I'm over here. Can you, can you pick, um, niece up from school? Like Sure. So I, it's like, yeah, don't worry. You're on the papers and everything so they'll know what you, and they're expecting you. I'm like, cool. So I show up and, you know, I walk up and they're like, who are you?

And the kid jumps up, that's Uncle Benjamin, like, okay, good. Alright. So validated. Right? So I signed the paper and all this stuff, and the teacher's like, well, you know, we're just finishing up so you know, you can actually come in the classroom. And I was like, oh, okay. So I, you know, hung out in the back of the classroom.

Man, this is the end of the school day. About 10 minutes left. I. I just wanted to go over there and take that chalk from her hand and be like, quiet fool. Lemme tell y'all kids what's really going on. She, I mean, there was like so much stuff that I just wanted to jump on and they still had Pluto on the, on the star chart as a planet.

Mm-hmm. And I'm like, I'm like, I kind of whispered to her like, Hey, why do you still have that as a planet? And like, and she said, oh. Because I learned it was a planet and I just think it's better that way. 

Theo Harvey: Oh no. And 

Mr.Benja: I was like, really? She's like, yeah, I like, she's like, I like Pluto. I'm like, yeah, but you have listed up here with the planets.

You, 

Theo Harvey: you know, I was gonna say, you know, someone else liked to do something. And I always crack up when you tell me that story. What's that? Yeah. So, uh, man, uh, yeah, man. It's just, wait, hold. Whoa. Whatcha laughing at? Whatcha laughing at? Put, put, uh, yeah. You wanna put it out there on live, man? Yeah. Me a private chat if 

Mr.Benja: it's not it, but 

Theo Harvey: man, you told me about this one.

One girl told me that what she liked to do, man, that's all I remember. 

Mr.Benja: Oh yeah, that was, 

Theo Harvey: that was funny. Hey guys, if you guys wanna know the uncut version, let us know. We'll give you the uncut version. Wonderful person. 

Mr.Benja: But I'm not gonna put her out there like that. No. So random things you track back to random people, so, 

Theo Harvey: exactly, exactly.

Even though, you know, we're still early stages, but you never know, you know, people gonna go back with ai, they go search back, oh, you see it on June 15th, 2025. But anyway, yeah, man, it's one of those things that, uh, you gotta be careful what your kids listen to and hear and all that, and it's fine and, and, uh, pieces, but, you know, um, you really wanna guide them.

And what I'm trying to do is help them with their critical thinking skills, right? Like, what is this your, or if you hear something, you know, I, it's something she had said to, or what did my, my daughter said something, it was just foolish. I'm like, what are you talking about? So, did you do your research?

Who's saying that? Where are they based out of? You know, think through that now before you just assume that what they're saying is totally accurate. Like, for instance, these, uh, protests, she was like, oh, they're shutting down. You know this. Well, we won't be able to get there and it's gonna be shut down.

I'm like, okay, who's telling you this? Where are you seeing this at? Is it. The person saying this on TikTok, are they, you know, are they, there are, are they here in Orlando or are they just in another state? And they're just assuming that, so yeah, it's just all this misinformation and, and I think it's just gonna get worse, man.

And it's like the, the, the separation between the people who the have and have not so gonna get so wide. Yeah, because there's, there's gonna be information. First it was monetary, now it's gonna be just information. And then the ones who can really think through that and use these tools more effectively to their benefit and not be, uh, under them are ones who are gonna survive.

And so I, so that's why I take my job as a, as a dad, seriously, to help my kids think through that a little bit more clearly. 

Mr.Benja: Oh no, you said the, you said the right term. You said critical thinking. It's, you know, I mean, I don't wanna mix word histories here, but, you know, being able to critique and, you know, having a critical criticizing kind of look at this thing, um.

You know, a lot of people when they say critical thinking, they just get very defensive and skeptical and just want to sit in their corner and not move at all. And I'm like, no, things are moving too fast for you to not move. Yeah. You need to move, but with a critical eye. And um, you know, I think that's, I don't know if anybody, if any countries really teach that actively, like in a very strong way.

Um, I don't know what, why a country would, from a country control point of view Exactly. 

Theo Harvey: You got, you hit the nail on the head. Why would they want to teach a populace to think critically? They just, yeah. You know, because think about it, the, the masses just, this is, this tells all this time the masses, if they really got educated, they could just overthrow governments.

Right. But yeah, by keeping them. Subjugated, you know, just keeping them under, under wraps, keeping their minds out, out thinking, not thinking bigger thoughts. Um, it keeps them, uh, docile. Right. And so they won't Yeah. Overcome. 

Harvard Mindset and Social Dynamics

Mr.Benja: Do you, uh, there's this, there's this, uh, black girl on Twitter, not on Twitter, on Instagram.

Um, that was, she talks about the Harvard mindset, right? 

Mm-hmm. 

And she said she didn't realize that it was a mindset because they make it seem so natural. 

Hmm. 

And I. She was like, no, no. I started going to other schools and I spent a month with such and such and oh, I started to realize this thing about a Harvard Mr.

Benja, 

Theo Harvey: we're, we're, we're live. Mr. Benja. Let's, let's try this experience. I just did a Google search. You wanna just pull it up? Let's just look at it. I'm, I'm looking for, I'm looking for it right now. Um, I just found it. Yeah. Welcome to the Harvard Mindset Series. 

Mr.Benja: It's, uh, analog something, 

Theo Harvey: uh, I don't know her name.

Just went to YouTube, said, you know, the series. Now the question is, we're live everyone, so you know. Yeah. Don't hurt us, but we're gonna, yeah. 

Mr.Benja: This is her. Uh, I am Shao Sha Shaa Shea. I'm Shea, I'm Shaa with an O on the end. Sha the historian. Yeah. That's her 

Theo Harvey: sha shade Historians. Let me see. Let me see. Let me see if I can share.

I don't know if this is not the best. Let's see. Can this pop up? We're gonna try something guys. We going see. 

Mr.Benja: See this reminds me of the old radio shows, you know, where stuff would just happen and that's what made it fun. 

Theo Harvey: Just, just stuff happens, huh? I was, I was 

Mr.Benja: really fascinated with like the old Howard Stern where stuff would just happen.

Like, 'cause he was in the NBC studios, uhhuh, and they, they were like, Hey, uh, Rob Schneider's in the building. It's like, really? Let's go talk to him. He doesn't like us. Let's go talk to him. 

Theo Harvey: Okay, so I'm sharing my screen here and the website. I see where, yeah. Now we're gonna get the infinite screen here for a second.

So can you see my screen? Is this who you're talking about? 

Mr.Benja: Yes, that is her. The Harvard Mindset series. 

Theo Harvey: Can you hear her if I play it? 

Mr.Benja: Nah, no, I didn't hear her when she was playing. 

Theo Harvey: Okay, guys, we're doing, doing this raw, so I don't know if you'll be able to hear this, but James, you know what to do, man. Just, uh, do what you do.

I'm gonna put on closed captions real quick. So yeah, we gotta put it up that we can, let's see.

Mr.Benja: Because if you're new here, I'm Shea, I'm a PhD candidate at Harvard, and I'm the founder of Analog Social. And ever since I took Harvard's Innovation Labs, I've been spending a lot of time at the business school. And if you're not familiar with Campus Life, the Grad School of Arts and Sciences, so we're here in the main campus, but to get the business school across the river, Charles River.

And if you Yeah, have, she keeps going. I'm not gonna read it all. Uh, this is, this is one of her intro ones. Okay. That's, I remember this. 

Theo Harvey: So she's more introdu introducing it. So what is she, um, in 

Mr.Benja: that one? 

Theo Harvey: Okay. So what is, you know, so, yeah. So, you know, shout out to Shea, you know, if you wanna shout out show versus business, we'll appreciate it.

But, uh, yeah, I can go back to, uh, you know, our side. But yeah, I think, um, sorry. Yeah, guys, we're going, we playing with this, uh, yeah. So. Interesting. Um, what is she talking about? So she's talking about crossing the cross Charles River. Is that 'cause it's a different mindset. 'cause I recently had a chance to go to Harvard with mm-hmm.

You know, my daughter just walking around the campus. So I kind of got a sense of the geography a little bit more, but Okay. What, what is she kind of going into about this 

Mr.Benja: Harvard? Well, it's, it's something you start to, to notice, like you say, some people are of a certain mindset. You see certain people making certain decisions and people grow up in different ways.

And a lot of times you just kind of mark it off or mark it up as social differences, cultural differences, or preferences, oh, they just do this, this way or this. But all of these little things combined start to build up to a way of thinking and a way of going about things. Right. Um, where it's even, even in terms of just being cordial, it's like in certain circles you always say, Hey.

You know, make sure that you ask about their family. Make sure that you don't discuss X, Y, and Z unless they bring it up first. You know, they have these certain rules. 

Mm-hmm. 

And if someone breaks the rules, then they're pushed farther to the ends. And if they follow the rules, they're kept closer to the circle center of the circle.

Right? Mm-hmm. So she was saying that she noticed a lot of these things happening in Harvard where it's like, Hey, you know, these people did this and these people did this. And after a while they would say, ask a follow-up question to this person. And I was like, why did they talk to that person? You know?

And it's a good question. It's like, okay, this person's more in line with their values. They're gonna ask this person another question, a follow up question. Oh, our families know each other. You know what? Let's go do this business together. And all of a sudden all these things just start happening 

in 

terms of like where people's mindsets come from.

And you know, uh, I. You can, you can see it very clearly when you go overseas, you'll see how you act differently from other people. Mm-hmm. And people act differently towards you. You can see it in, as I said, culture, cities, states or whatever. But, um, you know, we were talking about just the mindset of the critical thinking.

And, and however else, it's, it's something that if you're not conscious about, it's very hard to understand. Like, you can't read the, if you're the ketchup, it's really hard to read the label on the bottle you're in. 

Theo Harvey: Ooh. 

Mr.Benja: You know, if you're a fish, it's gonna take you a while to figure out that you're in water, unless someone.

Shows you the game. That's, that's 

Theo Harvey: deep. You know, we all have limiting beliefs that we don't even know. Right? The jar is unscrewed. You're the, the grasshopper that's sitting in the jar that the, the lid has already been unscrewed, but you've been so used to hitting your head so many years that you don't know.

You just jump out. So 

Mr.Benja: yeah, it, it, it's funny because you don't know these boundaries are there and you don't know the, I mean, you may sense something I. But I'm, I'm gonna add another guru to the list. Um, Busta mate, Andre Busta mate, you know that guy? Oh yeah. The cia Everyday Spy. Yeah. Yeah. So he's been on that kick for a while.

Yeah. And, uh, I don't know how I ended up on his page, 

Theo Harvey: but I mean, he's been out there on podcast for years and stuff, so of course CI can neither confirm nor deny he worked for that. How convenient. 

Mr.Benja: But, uh, you know, we were talking about protest and I think the, the first protest where I really started to peel back a lot of stuff was, um, occupy Wall Street.

Mm-hmm. 

So I remember going to an Occupy Wall Street protest. 

Mm-hmm. 

I started asking questions. I thought I was, man, I thought I was on their side. I asked about three or four questions. Hey, who are you? Hey, look man, I'm just saying,

uh oh, geez. I bet you really are from Wall Street. No, no, I'm from Florida. Florida. See, that's East coast. Close enough. Like Guy Guy, my guy, 

Theo Harvey: my guy. I'm a guy. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, man. And um, yeah, the San Diego Occupy Wall Street Group turned against me and uh Oh, wow. I was just, I was like asking questions and I was like, okay.

Interesting. And there were certain people there kind of riling up the ideas and riling up the, you know, it's like, it's like once you're on a roll in this certain way, this mindset, it's like, don't go against that. Mm-hmm. And man, 

Theo Harvey: um, no, this mindset is powerful, man. I mean, you know, um, you know, was. Uh, uh, my training session last week, they had mentioned that, you know, um, you normalize certain thresholds financially, right?

You know, you're just so used to making X amount of dollars. Like, let's say my threshold is $75,000. I'm just so used to that, that even if I go above that, I'll self-correct where I'll lose the money or something happens and mm-hmm. I'm always, you know, 'cause that's why I feel comfortable. So, you know, he says you have to normalize it in your mind.

So if you put bigger numbers around, you know, like, Hey, I, I can make a million in a month, right? You just put it around your house, you see it every day. And then it starts to normalize mentally, men, your mentality so that you don't, uh, self-correct if you do go above that initial, you know, self-imposed, uh, kind of structure on you.

So, so it's things like that, just little tricks that you have to do to kind of normalize difference. And, and someone made a good point. Like you go to some of these, um. Guru events. I was listening to one young lady, um, uh, shout out, uh, crafting with Cassie. I've been checking her out, man. I was impressed, man.

I, I know her from Adam, man, but she got, she got, she got a nice hustle, hustle going on, man. She doing a, she doing her thug dizzle, man. Shout out to her man. She, she may not see this podcast, but she's doing her thing, man. I, I didn't know her from Adam, but she started the whole crafting business and then she started going to digital products.

She's got masterminds, she's doing her podcast and literally come from crafting, you know, people doing. Um, tumblers and graduation posters, you know, for, you know, just little arts and craft things. Right. And she just really blew up. And so I actually listened to, to her, uh, her, uh, her mastermind class, right?

She went on for three hours high energy, and she had thin women eating at the palm of her hands. Man, it was just amazing. So shout out to Cassie 'cause you know, you are you, but I think the way she did is because she poured so much into them. Yeah. And you can tell that she cares about her audience and she cares about her communities she built.

And I think a lot of, uh. Gurus don't do the same. Where they don't really, she says she's actively going into the, uh, Facebook groups, right. And listening to them and, and then that's why she creates her products. And I was like, man, that's a great feedback loop, right? Understanding what the problems that they have and then having a solution for those problems before they even know it.

'cause she's listening. And I think that's what, that's what's missing from a lot of gurus. They give you these high level stuff, but they don't really know like the tactical stuff that you need right then and there, right? And then if you can kinda get that feedback loop going, then you know, you'll build up a community of thousands of folks that she has.

'cause she's already at a hundred thousand, uh, YouTube subscribers and I think she's, you know, she just really went all in like this year in six months. So it shows you how fast it can go if you really focus in on your community and what they want. So I say all to say is that, um, I. You know, it is really about that mindset.

And she told, taught me that when she went to all these, uh, different, um, uh, masterminds and gurus. Right. You know, it wasn't so much about what the guru was telling. It was about the mastermind. People in the room. Think about it. If you're, you're in a mastermind group where people are paying that much money to be with these gurus, uh, there's something there, there's a reason why they're there.

And so you're connecting with these folks and you guys are kinda like on the same level, right? Why, why you're learning from the same guy and you paid this money to do it, so you must be a high, you know what? What did, uh, what's that guy's name? He did a high net worth individual. You're a high net worth individual, so I need to know you and we can collaborate.

And so now our mindsets are both getting elevated, right? We like, oh wow, this person's in the same group as me, so I need to learn from them and they need to learn from me. And so it's almost like you guys on the same level. And so, you know, so I think to your point, the mindset is driven by, you know, normalizing it and then also being around people that have similar mindsets that where you're trying to go so that you can kind of, uh, get to that next level.

So, I mean, that's a roundabout way in saying that. Watch your kids, folks watching crap on, on YouTube. Yeah. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, man. Um, it's, yeah, there, there, there's a lot out there. Um, and, and by the way, really quick, I wanna change gears right quick, just because we're throwing randomness into this mix. Uh, you know, normally I would've been here to record like right away, but I was out doing stuff.

Um. I took Sunday as one of my research days where I just go out and find out what's going on. Um, I went to an empty mall and, uh, there's like two stores open in it and, um, I'm, I'm not sure what they're doing to stay alive, but it's, I'm, I think they're gonna turn Hal of it into like a, a mini auditorium slash community center.

Um, that's what it seems like they're doing. But, um, in my research, I can't, there was a, I, I went to a Japanese store. I don't know if you guys know Dao and the other places like that. Uh, there's a little row Japanese stores out here, man. I went and got a whole bunch of Japanese candies. Lemme start with the, the menthol, hyper menthol boy.

Uh, I got the, the Cola flavored candies. Uh oh. And I got this. And you know what? All this is for? This whole bag of hard candies. See, I don't like sitting around snacking. I, you know, I, I can have one little hard candy and just, uh, and be good for like an hour, right?

I found I'm getting to that stage where I need to just have things, it, any thing that slightly throws me off my work game, and then I'm just off my game. 

Mm. 

And I realized how precious that was because like, when you're in the flow, when you're in the zone, you're, you know, you're on the bike at, at 40 miles per hour and you know, one pebble will send you off into the bushes, you know, the scraped up leg.

You gotta have everything kind of just right. So when I'm sitting down writing, knock, banging this stuff out, and I want to get up and do a whole thing, it's like, you know what? Let me have one of these Japanese menthol candies. 

Theo Harvey: Nice. 

Mr.Benja: I'm good. And uh, yeah man, it's just been all about fixing, fixing up an order and everything and, uh, yeah.

So that's what I was doing today. 

Theo Harvey: Nah, I love it, man. Just exploring and, and exploring and seeing what's out there. Um, yeah, similar, you know, just hanging out with the kids Father's Day for me. So, uh, what. Yeah, I think I told, talked this story when Father's Day is really a time where you get away from your kids so you can have time for peace.

So I was, I was loving it. I found a coffee shop near, uh, downtown Orlando and mm-hmm. And work, man. I was like deep into it, man. I was like getting that good work in man, where you just like, ah, these ideas are flowing, getting things done. And then, uh, my wife and the kids took me to a nice steakhouse, came on back home, said Happy Father's Day to my dad.

And then, uh, yeah, just did some more work, man. So, yeah, man, this, I, I, you know, it's like, I guess. That tells you And the thing about work, it's not work to me, it's more like, man, you know, what more can I do to kinda get to the next level? And, and I'm learning so much, you know, like I just learned today about like how you can leverage chat GBT to really understand your ideal customer profile.

Right? And just mm-hmm. Really deep dive in that. 'cause in the back of my mind it's like I need to build a community so I can understand more, but is there a faster way? So I'm trying to think through ways of, uh, do I. Buy community, you know, and figure out how to use that. Or do I like, use Chate to, you know, ask it questions to simulate my ideal customer profile.

Community Building and Entrepreneurship

Theo Harvey: So it's just fascinating ways to kind of think through, because I do think that's the next level for anybody that's trying to create, um, just content or business in this new AI world, you're gonna have to build your own community, um, and you're going to create experiences. That's just something I came to the realization and because that's the only, we're gonna differentiate from all the slop, the AI slop that's gonna be out there, right?

If you have a true community that, that just rocks with you, whatever you put out there, then you know. And, and that's what Cassandra showed me too, like the way she built her community. She even said herself in so many words, you can put all these masterminds together, boy it's gonna, or get people in the community, but over time people fall out.

So you gotta always kind of refresh it and give 'em some new stuff. And, and the only way you do that is by listening to their new problems and keep refreshing it over time. And so, so anyway, make a long story short, I am really going deep into community and trying to understand that. And I think you, you know, you have a good understanding of that, but I'm really trying to understand that more, you know, for the next phase of what I'm trying to build out.

So, yeah, man. So, so yeah, today was good just to kind rock out and just, you know, brain out. If I, if you will 

Mr.Benja: just, just like, ooh, do so. Okay. Are you more of the mind of bringing your community to where you like to hang out or going to where the community is and trying to build from there, even if you're unfamiliar with it?

Theo Harvey: Good point. Right now, because of the business I'm in, you know, I'm not. Technically, you know, a doctor, but I play on tv, so it's kind of, I'm not like a, what's the, the, the, I think, uh, what did Russell Brunson call that? That character, you know, when you create a community right, you should be the, um, uh, the, I guess that attracting character, that's what he called it.

Okay. And, um, yeah, I, I do struggle with that because what I'm selling into that market, I'm not really, you know, don't have the MD behind my name, so, you know, but I do feel like I have an odd knowledge to help them build their business. Yeah. So that's, that's what I'm kind of leveraging right now. But the future will be for entrepreneurs and I definitely feel like I could be, that I.

You know, attracting character. And so to your point, I, I don't have a problem building that, you know, and really being intentional about how I build that community over time, because I think, you know, they're going to, if I can get just gel it, you know, to folks that really rock with me and do that, then I can definitely, you know, get that core for, you know, that core Yeah.

Group of folks. They'll just do not do whatever you want, but they'll just be really intentional about like, how we build something together as I grow it. So, so that's my vision, you know, but right now I am leveraging the skills to kind of understand how do you grow that within the community I have when it comes to healthcare stuff.

Mm-hmm. But long term, yes, I would like to do more entrepreneur, just, you know, overall entrepreneurial kind of coaching and things. 

Mr.Benja: When you said, did you say Core four? Uh, 

Theo Harvey: no, I just said Core four. I, I just that, I just, that's just a way for me to remember. Just like I want a core, intimate, intimate group of, uh, folks.

Mr.Benja: Yeah, no, no, I, no, I get it. 'cause there's you and then there's the four and y'all come together and knock out. Yeah, yeah, I get it. 

Theo Harvey: You know, four is my number, is my favorite number. And it's like, you know, to me it's like the, it's like, you know, the structured and so if you just get a core four of folks that just rock with you, then you can take that to go to the next level.

That's just something I think in the back of my mind. So, so I wanna see has no in, there's no basis in data or in nothing. You know, I could probably put in chat GPT and come up with some basis for it, but, uh, you know what's weird, 

Mr.Benja: uh, just opened up crafting with Cassie's, uh, YouTube page and first thing I see is, Hey y'all, I'm Cassie, mama of four.

Interesting numbers, baby. Uh, you, but you know what's interesting? I searched for a couple different spellings of Cassie and a bunch of people with very low subscription and like numbers and, and very few number of videos showed up. I'm surprised YouTube search didn't pick up on her first. 

Theo Harvey: Mm, don't know, man.

It's weird. I mean, um, but she's heavily on, um, no, YouTube big. Yeah. Uh, she's got a school community, like 14,000 there. Yeah. I, like I said, I didn't know her from Adam, man. I just thought she was, you know, Hey, how you doing? But man, she's definitely doing her thing and so I'm definitely learning from her.

And so, uh, I think I'm supposed to meet up with her again. She's coming back down to Tampa for another event. 

Mr.Benja: You see, she's a, I'm, she, she's been, she's, uh, had interviews with, uh, the Circle of Greatness. Mm-hmm. 

Theo Harvey: Neo, you 

Mr.Benja: know Nehemiah Davis? Mm-hmm. Uh, your girl, Donny Wiggins. 

Theo Harvey: Mm-hmm. 

Mr.Benja: And that guy Omar. So she, okay.

Now I'm, I'm questioning YouTube's algorithm here. I think they're trying to keep black people apart. Oh, I should have, I should have found her. 

Theo Harvey: Oh, don't say it Mr. Bench. Don't say it. Well, we know they put their thumbs on the scales. Let's be honest. We already know. We already know. Yeah. 

Mr.Benja: And this isn't the left or right thing.

I promise you. It comes from both sides. And both sides don't like to hear either side of it. 

Theo Harvey: Exactly. So we already know how they do, how they do us, man. You know, so it is what it is. But yeah, she told me she, you know, she did the interview with Neo and some other stuff, so, but you know, I think you know what she built, I mean, she has a good, amazing story.

She went from homeless to multimillionaire, so that's a good story. Mm-hmm. She's a mompreneur, so she, you know, she's helping other, technically black women really. How to, you know, gr create revenue as a mom. Mm-hmm. Because she's a mom, so she's very clear on her. Um, you know, it's her basically, you know, five years ago and then when she talks, you know, she's very raw and all that, right?

No, it is just like, Hey, I'm a girl from around the way, so it's just like everything you want in an attracting character. She, she nails it to a t And so it's like, okay. And so I was literally on her call for like three hours just listening to kind of how she presents and all that stuff. And, and she kept it high energy the whole time.

And so I, I think there's passion that goes into her community, but yeah. But like I said, met her in person. Wasn't known for Adam. She was down to earth. Rode in my car. We rode to a couple places. I was here in Tampa. I didn't know who she was, man. Now, now it's like, okay, I see why you, you know, you get to that next level.

The question is, you know, I'll tell it to her face too. It's like, Hey, you know, what's the next level for you? Right. You know, as you kind of, you know, 'cause. Just like anybody. Yeah. They have to expand their brand outside of their initial community. Right. And with that comes some challenges. Right. You know, how do you expand that brand beyond your initial group?

So, but so far so good. I mean, she had a mastermind, she got like a hundred people to join her, her, her, her big number, mastermind, you know, so I was like, wow. She said about a hundred people showed up. So you did back a net. It's about, you know, not trying to be anybody's pockets, you know, I'm not pocket watching, but, uh, it, it was, it was close to about, you know, half a meal.

So Yeah. When you do the numbers. So, yeah. So she did her thing, man. So, and I think that's just a testament to her community building and something that, you know, I wanna start doing as I start to, uh, you know, build out, you know, but it takes time, you know, I'm not. Looking to do overnight. So, um, 'cause you know, it's like I'm so immersed in, I was telling the people in the room.

Yeah. So I'm so immersed in the old school, you get venture capital. Right. You know, I was trying to go for that big a hundred million number. Right. You know, when that didn't happen, I started pivoting more to the lifestyle brand. 

Yeah. 

Then, you know, I kind of like, okay, you know, we can kind of roll this out for a little bit.

Old School Methods and Modern Challenges

Theo Harvey: But yeah, the old school way of doing it, man, I don't know. It's very rare you could do that. Especially now where there's just so much money. 

Facebook's $14 Billion AI Investment

Theo Harvey: So we can talk about it, we can kind of pivot into like, you know, some topics today, but did you hear that latest story with ai? Uh, Facebook invested more than 14 billion and to scale AI and hired the CEO, his 28-year-old CEO to, um, to the, uh, to the business.

And it's the interesting thing about this, and the reason I'm sharing it, I'm going to see if we can do it this way, man. I'm gonna present this way. Let's see. I'm gonna share my screen. Let's see if we can do it this way. So, um, how did I put it? Yeah. Oh, so it's 14.3 billion scale. Can you see the screen?

Mr.Benja: Yes. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Uh, hire, CEO Scale ai. 

Understanding Scale AI's Role

Theo Harvey: Have you heard of scale ai? 

Mr.Benja: No, I was just looking it up as you brought it up. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah, so he's a 28-year-old, you know, so his company basically has humans that train AI systems to, um, you know, the learning phase they have to go through Right. To ensure that they understand how to, um, answer questions correctly.

And so, I don't know what Facebook is doing, I need to do understanding of that, but it is basically a company that, um, is, uh, yeah. So, and it's not an acquisition acquisition because, uh, they only bought 49% of the company, so, okay. It's interesting. He's still, but he, they hired the CEO and they bought 49% of his company, but it's still kind of technically owned by the CEO.

Isn't that crazy? Yeah. And you know why they did that, right? 

Mr.Benja: Uh. You talking about antitrust from my meta? Maybe you 

Theo Harvey: got Yep, you got it brother. Yep. 

Mr.Benja: I mean that's what I figure. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. 'cause they don't want all that foolishness. So yeah. $14.3 billion to scale AI in the middle of the deploys he post an X 

Mr.Benja: so he, he I always love seeing like a startup kid.

Yeah. Lemme not even take off my puffer jacket. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Nah, nah. Never that. Don't do that man. Come on. 14.3 billion in scale as party deal and we'll have four 9% stake in the AI company. So, uh, I'm trying to understand what is strategic partnership with scale ai? I guess Zuckerberg is having concerns about their lama a one models.

And that the developers are not loving it. So by buying a company that makes, helps the a train, the AI models better, could make his his Lama model 'cause So, so it seems like all these, uh, uh, like Google Micro, you know, Google open ai, everybody's trying to create the, the one AI model to rule them all. Is that what we're up against right now?

And they're trying to figure out how to create that model and they're just putting a bunch of money into it, right? So either resource, I mean technology, uh, excuse me. Uh, either, um, training information like data or, or people like, uh, Facebook or data centers like open ai, you know, going to Saudi Arabia or did you, you saw that latest foolishness.

They're trying to build data centers in space. 

Mr.Benja: Well, that save on cooling cost. Yeah, that's, that's actually one of them. Um, no, I thought you were gonna actually talk about, uh, Elon building his poisonous power plant in Memphis. Um, 

Theo Harvey: well, there you go. That too. So just building in places that you wouldn't think to build a data center.

Right. To kinda, um, get these, uh, as you know, it takes so much energy and so many computing power, right. To kind of build out these models to make 'em, um, effective. So, um, yeah, man, so it's, yeah, it's one of those things that, uh, I don't know, man. 

AI Hype and Reality Check

Theo Harvey: Um, how are we feeling about AI man right now? I mean, you know, we talk about it here and there.

Uh, I'm feeling, um, I think it's just hype, man. It's, it is getting become more and more hype. 

Mr.Benja: Well, okay, here's, you know, usually I, I I, I try to, uh, knock down your argument because I'm, I'm liking all the AI hype, but, uh, you're actually onto something. Um, 'cause they still have a few hurdles they need to get over and lemme pull up this Apple article.

Apple's AI Benchmarks

Mr.Benja: Uh, I don't know if you heard about Apple. They did their own set of intelligence benchmarks for ai. 

Theo Harvey: Okay. 

Mr.Benja: And basically it turns out that, um, and I ran across this too, it turns out that the benchmarks that they've been putting AI up against, like, Hey, you know, here's what we think you're intelligent.

Let's see if you pass the test. And, you know, they had all these old models and it's basically like, well, yeah, these are all the old models. So if we ask a computer to argue two points, it's just gonna go back in the back room, you know, pull out a bunch of books and start reading the back to you very quickly, right?

Mm-hmm. It's just deciding how to do that. 

Mm-hmm. 

As far as critical thinking, even that it'll go back in the back and say, holy crap, uh, how did Einstein think about this? How did this guy think about this? Okay, here are all these different sets of thoughts. Let me find one that might work and it still doesn't know.

Um. So it would just present that back and it started to look more and more like it was thinking. And apparently the study by Apple, let me just look up Apple AI study. Apparently the study from Apple said that, um, basically if you tried to give it something interesting, doesn't, you have to be extremely complex, but just something really interesting, it really started to fall over itself.

Theo Harvey: Interesting. 

Mr.Benja: It's like, Hey, is this the 

Theo Harvey: paper, uh, illusion of thinking 

Mr.Benja: the, oh, Apple's machine learning research that just came out on June, 2025. That would be it, yes. Yeah. Illusion, because I, I just pulled that up too. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. 

Mr.Benja: Uh, in short, let's see. 

The Illusion of AI Thinking

Theo Harvey: Yeah, the illusion of thinking, I mean, we wanna get into the paper, but also I'll always say, consider the source.

We already know Apple's having difficulty with AI is, 

Mr.Benja: that is very true. Um, but no, we start to give it interesting things like what you start to figure out that, you know, AI can't understand how to play chess. AI doesn't understand people being weird, you know, out of, out of nowhere. Um, it's, you start to try to give it different puzzles and then that's where it fails because, you know, extrapolate it out to a huge, to, you know, to a huge scale.

It's like, well, this is still just pattern recognition and piecing together information from previous bits of information like, uh, predictive technology. It's like, 

mm-hmm. 

Well, what comes after the, you know, world? Or some other now. 

Theo Harvey: So, so these large reasoning models as com compute, uh, I guess to be con uh, not to be compared to LLMs large language models.

They're saying, um, LLMs perform with low complexity tasks. Like, you know, find me, you know, the best piece of joint, you know, the five mile square radius versus a median square task where LMS is distributed, uh, distributed some advantages, but the high complexity tasks where both models experience complete collapse.

Complete, complete collapse. Wow. Yeah. So it does, that's 

Mr.Benja: definitely a, a flavored word in there. Not 

Theo Harvey: just 

Mr.Benja: collapse, but complete. Just fell out. 

Theo Harvey: Um, yeah man. Um, I agree. I think this illusion of thinking is something that's, uh, 'cause it comes back so fast. I think we always think, but then, you know, anybody's played with enough, I.

AI models, you know, they hallucinate all the time. Matter of fact, I get to the point where I don't even use the LLM unless they can give me a, a link, you know, to go search for it on the internet, right. Somewhere. Yeah. I was like, don't even come back with no crap. I don't wanna hear your crap. I want you to have a reference, you know, to what you said.

And I can look it for myself to kind of, you know, collaborate with it what it said to me. But yeah, man, it's, uh, becoming, um, yeah. So, so, so, yeah. 

AI's Limitations and Future

Theo Harvey: So are we in agreement that this hype cycle is, uh, at it Apex or what, what, what were we thinking here? 

Mr.Benja: No, not at all. Not at all. At his apex. 

Theo Harvey: Oh. 

Mr.Benja: Um, because AI is, uh, AI is the future.

Um, they say No Kings, uh, the king will be ai and you won't even notice it. 

Theo Harvey: I don't, but you know, this is like you. Well, you know what? It's just like, I just don't, I think it's useful 'cause I've been using it to do some stuff. It's useful to kind of create some, some initial things to start down the path of like, yeah, I think I'm gonna use it more of a brainstorming like you suggested.

Okay. And I think it's giving some initial paths to go down, but you're right, it's, there's still that gap. Like, I gotta implement this and kind of see if this really is gonna work. Like they said it's gonna work because there's no telling, you know, they just give you some prop. And then I think also you gotta realize that a lot, this is, um, what's it, uh.

Uh, probabilistic. So it is using probability to determine what's the likelihood of this, this, this next phrase or likelihood of this, this action could work. But we know, I mean, probability. Yeah. Just because someone can work, uh, 99% of the time is that 1%, and you could be that 1% that doesn't work for, so, so I think that's the challenge.

We always thinking, um, we're very deterministic. You know, you do X plus Y equals Z, but it is not like that. It's like, it could be X plus Y, it could be A, it could be C, it could be E, you know, and the percentages of A, B and CX plus 

Mr.Benja: Y equals Northern Kentucky. And you're like, exactly. Well, what does, what does that mean?

It's like Northern Kentucky. That's my answer. And. That make any sense, dog? It's like, you don't make sense. 

Theo Harvey: Well, the human being, the human mind doesn't, you know, I mean, it is not thinking like that literally. Right. I'm reading a book. It's called, uh, how Not To Be Wrong. The, the, the Power of Math. Uh, let's see.

The Power of Mathematical Thinking. I don't know if you've read this book. No. Yeah, it's pretty good. I mean, it's, it's, it's just basic understanding of how to think like a mathematician. And one of the chapters is, um, what. One of the chapters is, uh, I love this chapter. It says, it says, uh, straight locally, uh, curved globally, and just breaks down, like how did they come up with pie and, and, uh, calculating the, the, the circumference of a SR, of a circle.

But they had to think of it like a line. And that's so true. When you think everything like up, it's just like a straight line. When you step back, that straight line could go down, could go up, you know, it's not really a straight line. And so I think that's something that we as human beings don't understand.

I mean, we can't comprehend five, I don't think we can comprehend 7 billion people on the planet. 

Mr.Benja: No, no. It's just 

Theo Harvey: we can't comprehend that. That's just, uh, you know, 'cause sometimes you just like, 'cause it's, we're so focused on me, me, me, I mean mm-hmm. Seeing it going to a stadium. They just went to, my wife and daughter went to a stadium with what about what, 50,000 people in the stadium?

That's a lot. Yeah. That's still a drop drop in the bucket. How many people on the planet? And so when you, and so I say that to say, it's like, I don't think people realize how large internet is, how large, you know, these AI models can be. And even then it's, they're still not grasping what it means to. To the think for itself.

And so this hype ness and all this money that's going into it. Um, and, and you know, I know I'm going circle of logic here and just talking about different random things, but it goes back to that, that the keynote, the Empire of AI told you about. But that, uh, the author, I can't remember her name right now.

I think it was Ellen something, I'll look it up. But, uh, she has said there was so many different paths they could have went down to create ai, but the, the least common mo uh, they, the, the, the way they went down the path a was figuring out how can they create a models that all they did was do more scale more, right?

So, uh, capture so much data to pretend like it was doing something of relevance when they could have done a different way of thinking through that, but they didn't. And because they're going down this path. 

Yeah. 

Now, uh, I don't know if they're ever gonna achieve, uh, a GI, artificial general intelligence, 

Mr.Benja: but you know what, um.

And this is, and this is where I think you have to like, to Apple's credit, they, instead of you have to, it's not just one thing, it's a combination. You're gonna have to get, um, large reasoning models, large abstraction models, there you 

Theo Harvey: go. 

Mr.Benja: Large disruptive models, whatever, you know, all these different types of models to think of because.

Even you as a person aren't just you. You're morning, you, you're tired, you, oh, 

Theo Harvey: var spars 

Mr.Benja: tell you're romantic. You tell your father you, you know, and all these parts of you fight against each other. That's what AI is gonna end up having to be if it's actually gonna get anywhere. 

Theo Harvey: But I don't think it's gonna get to that point, because you're right.

That's, that's gonna take a magnitude to get that complexity is gonna take way more money than they have individual companies at 

Mr.Benja: least. Okay. In individual. And yeah. And that's when you start to get into, well how does this all end up playing out? Um, I was just looking up. Um, crap. See that's what happens when you get too many tabs open.

I'm not supposed to have tabs open while I'm doing this. 

Theo Harvey: We got tabs on tabs, brother. 

Mr.Benja: But, um, what I was thinking of was, oh crap, I totally lost it. Yeah, I lost it. All right. Well, AI is gonna do big things and I, at least I st I still think it is. I mean, how it happens is 

Theo Harvey: I just don't think it's gonna be like, Hey ai, you know, do this for me.

I think there's gonna be still a lot of thought process. 'cause 

Mr.Benja: no technology ever starts out like that. Uh, I remember back in day with MP threes, you know, I remember I was like, Hey, here's an MP three. And they're like, what is this file? Well, you gotta do this. And I explained all the steps you had to go through at the time Yeah.

To get it to work. And I was like, you have to go on the ID three tag and give it an identifier name and everything. And they were just like, I. Why can't I just hit, I can't just hit play. I can't use it on my CD player. I like, 

oh yeah. 

Oh, well if you wanna get to your CD player, listen, I have the CD burning program.

First of all, you're gonna have to organize, you're gonna have to make the listing file and it Fun 

Theo Harvey: days. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, fun days. Yeah. Before, before it was just, you know, iTunes burned to disc years before even that. 

Theo Harvey: Oh yeah. I remember them days. Napster just, you know, burning stuff. I remember going to tour sites and finding, you know, TV shows.

So yeah, those are fun times, man. Um, well, you are right, but, but, but there's, you know, is it gonna be game changing? That's a challenge. I mean, yes. Has MP three changed our lives? Yes. We can now carry, you know, million songs in our pocket, have iPhones, you know, really changed us. Yes. I think that has changed our behavior in a lot of ways.

Yeah. AI though, I mean, you know, but I think they were saying this is gonna be the last. Technology. Right? That's, that's that's what they're kind of prop. Yeah. This is gonna be the last technology. This is how they're, they, yeah. They, well, you know, the last, 'cause if we do it right, then it can invent everything else from here on out.

And, and I don't think it's gonna do that. 

Mr.Benja: That's the hype. Okay. Okay. That I don't buy. Um, for the very fact that 

Theo Harvey: the last invention, not the last technology, but the last invention. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. We're, we are still caught up in a digital, um, mathematical kind of sense. And James Clear that's who it was. That's, that's, I just caught, caught what I was trying to think of a little while ago.

So we're still caught up in this, um, thing that James clear calls like the 80 20 problem where, you know, you keep drilling down and you keep getting better in a certain direction. What that, what that pure way of thinking. Doesn't do is stop, step back, look around, and find a completely different direction to 80 20 on.

Hmm. 

And you have to do that every so often in stages, because once AI advances, then everything's gotta catch up to that. But while that's happening, you can't really advance AI too much anymore. So you have to jump to something like molecular biology, I don't know. You know? And then after that it's like, okay, 

Theo Harvey: well technically AI could affect molecular biology, right?

Oh no. 

Mr.Benja: Um, but, but what I'm saying is it's not a, um, it's not just the one thing that can ever be the solution for everything. There's multiple things that are gonna. Come together to, I'll be, 

Theo Harvey: add to your point. It's a foundational, or it could be a foundational piece, or it could be a piece that makes, you know, uh, absolutely finding cancer.

This, you know, because yeah, you are right. Uh, a cure for cancer may involve not just a. A technical solution or understanding computational issues, but also distribution issues and social issues, right? I mean, people will take a vaccine, how many people will, and you can use Chacha PT all you want, but it's not gonna figure out how to get people to take a vaccine.

Well, maybe, I don't know. Um, you create an AI influencer. Hey baby. He called it what you call it? What's it called? Uh, what's it called? Uh, man, what's it called? Uh, o, o, only vaccine. Only vax. Oh man, you show some only vax. It's a hot woman, you know. Hey baby, you want this vax, don't you? 

Mr.Benja: Look at my bandage. You know, it's like I got the jab yesterday.

Theo Harvey: Only vax is, man. I love it. Um, man, we've been talking about AI technology, just, uh, critical thinking skills. 

Entertainment Industry Shifts

Theo Harvey: I mean, we'll talk about some entertainment stuff real quick. What you got? 

Warner Brothers Discovery Split

Theo Harvey: Well, you know, Warner Brothers Discovery, you heard they're breaking up. I dunno if you saw that news. 

Mr.Benja: Oh yeah. Somebody told me I should talk about that in the podcast.

Go ahead. What's, what's happening with them? 

Theo Harvey: I mean, no, man, they just split in two brother, you know, it's just, which is bound to happen. I mean, you know, I think Warner Brothers, when Discovery, uh, bought them, we talked about this, right? Um, discovery was what this, uh, discovery Channel was, this like reality show, um, uh, reality channel, right?

That was, uh, you know, something that, uh, we thought like, okay, you got these shows like, uh, what's it called? The Dr. Pimple Popper, you know, uh, 90 Day Fiance, you know, all this other crap TLC. And it's like, how's that gonna match with HBO? Right? Which is quality content, game of Thrones, you know, multimillion dollar budgets, you know, Sopranos, and it didn't.

They were trying to compete with Netflix to kind of have highbrow what, what, what, remember the, the argument was like, lean back TV versus lean in tv. You remember that argument? Mm-hmm. And it just, and the challenge was Netflix just ate their lunch. I mean, you know, when it comes to like, you know, content now, the real winner right now is not gonna be Netflix against everybody.

It's gonna be YouTube against everybody else. But we'll talk about that debate another day. 

Mr.Benja: Great idea for a YouTube killer. I'll, uh, oh, oh, oh. See you later. Off the po off the pod. Off pod 

Theo Harvey: uncut. Um, so, uh, yeah man. So they were saying here, you know, you know, Mr. Ben, I'd like to share my screen here. Let's see if I can share this one.

Yes, guys, I've been sharing a lot, so James, I don't know how this gonna look on the screen, but you'll, you'll make it work, Mr. James. So anyway, uh, yeah, we have questions, so, oh, 

Mr.Benja: tear his face half. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah, well, you know, he just, and then he, then he was trying to get $53 million as a bonus and then he said, no boo 

boo.

So it's been barely four days to announced a plan to carve up the company. A new where have somebody deal what the strategy looks like. Um, so the lab be a debt, so they're gonna have a debt. Uh, so basically anything that's not making money, they're gonna put it into this like, uh, entity. I think. Who else did that?

Someone else did that. I can't remember. It's gonna be a debt real quick. There's gonna be like a debt instrument where they're gonna put all these things that not making money into this like spot and then what's gonna happen is they're gonna have private equity is like, Hey, can we take this and flip it to make some money off of it?

But anything that's making money, they're gonna keep like HBO and stuff like that. So they're gonna send off T-N-T-T-B-S-C-T-C-M and others, um, and let it kind of sit out there and see what wants to buy it later. Because they gotta get out linear. What's happening, you know, cable bundles, people are not paying cable like they used to, 

Mr.Benja: right?

It's 

Theo Harvey: happening because the numbers are going lower. It's become too much, too expensive to kind of pay for these, this programming. So they don't wanna deal with anymore. They just want strictly the content that's gonna be profitable. So it's, yeah, it's just not looking good. 

Mr.Benja: What is it with these companies and this.

Trying to be everything for everybody instead of building a, like why does Disney Plus have to have all of my Hulu content, have to have all of the Marvel content? I mean, from a branding perspective, it just seems like they just, it seems like too much 

Theo Harvey: when you, well, Netflix, when your brand is just too much.

Netflix, man, Netflix just came in and just ate their lunch and Netflix has everything. Global programming. Uh, uh, ya. Um, uh, what else? Uh, documentaries. Um. I mean, you name it, what, what doesn't Netflix have? Right? They, they're not get into live sports. Right. With wwe. Mm-hmm. So, you know, I think they thought they can compete with Netflix when they saw what they did, but they invested all this money and, you know, just like anything, it takes time.

They invested these money and they realized, oh, we can't compete. So, so now they, they're Oh my bad dog. Yeah, exactly. Pretty much. So now they're, I'm compete, say, Hey man, my bad man. I didn't mean no offense brother. You know, you know that. So, um, I mean, so yeah, so now they're retreating and, and, and going back into the, you know, so Disney's plan was to kinda do his own thing, but then, you know, take their stuff off of Netflix and create bundles.

That's what I got. Hulu and then, um, the ESPN and Disney bundle right. To kind of provide to you. But yeah, man, Netflix just ate their lunch and so now they're kind of all licking their wounds. And, and so you remember back in the day, Netflix used to license their program, so they would get pay HBO and other, these other, uh mm-hmm.

Uh, studios, millions of dollars just to license. And that was money. They were like, oh, this is great money, and we get licensed our stuff, you know, this is stuff we weren't getting paid for anyway. Cool. And then they found out, the algorithm was figuring out like, oh, you like Sopranos? Hmm? You like Game of Thrones?

Hmm. Why don't we just green light our own Game of Thrones? Let's green light our own. You know? And so they create their own shows and all that, but now Netflix has so much data that they're like, we don't need you no more. We can create hits on our own. Stranger Things Wednesday, uh, what's the other one?

Squid Game. Yeah. So, um, so yeah. Get outta here. So, so anyway, man. Um, yeah. So WB uh, is breaking up and that's the big news. Uh, the other story of the week. 

BET Awards and Streaming Influencers

Theo Harvey: Uh, did you watch the BET 25? Uh. Awards show. 

Mr.Benja: Uh, I barely only knew about that 'cause of Kai 

Theo Harvey: Nuan. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. They don't translate well to traditional tv. I just say that.

Him and Juki, I didn't like it. Didn't like it at one day. Did you watch 

Mr.Benja: it from the TV side or the streaming side? 

Theo Harvey: I watched it on the TV side. They look, they look terrible there. Go on the streaming side. You're right. That's right. They might work perfect. 'cause you know, they come off as loud, super loud and super.

Yeah. Out there, just like almost, um, slow because they just, because it just, just trying to, you know, and it doesn't, and then Kevin Hart was trying to like, you know, calm 'em down a little bit, you know, even in this funny way. But I think they just came off, but hey, they're the future, so who am I to judge?

Right. Yeah. But yeah, so they, they, they, they, yeah. Make their presence felt. But how did it look on the streaming side? I guess when you saw it 

Mr.Benja: on the streaming side, it was almost. Like, Hey, we're hanging out with these antiquated people. 

Yes. 

And it, it kind of worked dog. 'cause I mean, he had his, uh, he had his camera, like, you know, down by his knee, kind of, kind of looking up his shoulder into his face.

And he was just commentating, like everybody else is talking to people beside them, like, Hey, how you doing? Da da da. And he was just talking to the fans, like in the middle of this thing. So he was like, man, you know, I just saw such and such and I was thinking this and that, and they're doing a movie together and da da da.

He was just talking to the fans while everybody else was talking to each other. 

Mm-hmm. 

And it seemed like they were so disconnected, like these old dinosaurs walking around talking to each other. Wow. Instead of talking to the community. Right. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. Some, some girl walked by and they're like, you're streaming now, now.

And he's like, yeah, yeah. Da da da. Say hi. And. It was Wild man. Um, but yeah, him, wow. Him Drew Ski. Uh, who else was there? That is online a lot like that. I don't know. 

Theo Harvey: Wow. Yeah, I know what you're talking 

Mr.Benja: about, 

Theo Harvey: but I, I do feel that, man, it's just, um, I mean, you know, I'm not in the young crowd, so, you know, I'm not the cool one in the crowd, but I get a sense that it does seem, there's a, there's a, there's a, um, you know, Jamie Fox is there, Snoop?

I mean, this is one of the biggest, uh, BET awards. They had some, some of the biggest stars that came out for this one. I mean, uh, uh, they had, uh, uh, your boy came out, uh, uh, Lil Wayne, he came out, they had mm-hmm. Uh, of course, uh, Kendrick Lamar, he came out, uh, did his thing out there in la and then, uh, you know, the, the, the new one, Doce, you know, she had her mm-hmm.

Her came claiming of fame. So I mean, it was like. Who's, who was there, I mean, for the first time in a long time, but it does feel like it's almost like a dying industry, you know? Because for someone who's not as much in streaming and all that stuff, I do feel like they're the 'cause of my kids. I mean, we'll talk about this.

They, they don't watch, I. Uh, other shows, they just go on YouTube. They, my kids know more about the streamers, like, uh, obviously Mr. Beat, but there's like, my son watches basketball, so he's watching, um, um, I forgot the kid's name, but he knows, does it watch I 

Mr.Benja: show Speed? 

Theo Harvey: No, he doesn't watch that yet. I don't know about that one.

But, but they know more. They, I mean, I guarantee they're, you know, they know more, they probably know more influencers than probably, uh, you and I know TV and I know a lot of TV stars and movie stars, but they probably know more influencers than I do. And that goes to show, I mean, they're the next generation.

So these influencers will be the celebrities of the future. And so it does feel like the Hollywood stars all them, it is like you put all the energy to look good to, to, to create your calf and it's dying. You like, that's a good actress, but no one would know who you are anymore. You're not doing acting to be famous anymore.

Let's be honest. Us. Yeah. So it's kinda like you're just doing it. 'cause you know, and that's kind of how it always was, you know, histo historically, right? That's, uh, acting was, uh, you know, kind of one of those things that hey, you just did it 'cause of calling, but no one cared. And I think we're kind of getting back to that, right?

Um, so it's, and so as people who grew up in that era, right in the nineties, especially when black actors and actresses start, you know, we re remember at, at fam, we used to go see, oh yeah, we're gonna see, uh, booty call, we're gonna go see, uh, what other movies came out when we were there? Uh, you know, just any soul food, right?

Yeah. Any of those movies that came out, black folks, oh yeah, we doing this nineties, we're making it happen in Hollywood. Yes. It don't matter no more, dude. Yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know, man. That's just, and that's why we talked about this before while, uh, uh, what the top movie stars are 70 years old and older, like these younger ones who trying to break in.

It's only like about five of 'em. That's below 40. So yeah. 

Mr.Benja: Um, you got your Zendaya Tom Holland. Uh, 

Theo Harvey: because Michael B. Jordan is knocking on 40. He's there right there. Yeah. Um, but it's not many. Not many man. So, uh, uh, Timothy Shaman, he's probably the last one, but even him, the reason why he's getting some traction, because he knows how to go back and forth.

He was on game day, you know, he had to go show up on game day. He had to go on podcasts, you know, show him, Hey, I, if I really wanted to, I could be a podcaster like y'all. Right. He had to show him. Yeah.

So anyway, man, it, it's, it's a weird time of entertainment. And then don't get me started on the AI of it. All right. And how is that gonna change things? Um, 

Meta's AI-Generated Ads

Mr.Benja: real quick, uh, did you hear about the story about ai? I mean, meta changing how they generate ads? 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Well, I heard something about that. What's the, what's going on there?

What's the, what's the foolishness there? 

Mr.Benja: So basically, um, and this is where influencers come into play. This will reminded me of it. Instead of me sitting down and saying, Hey, here's how I want my ads, here's how I want to go to you. Basically just put all your information out there and say, Hey, Facebook ads, go do your business.

And Facebook has AI that will go through your content, your, your current audience and start building ads and showing stuff out there for you. 

Theo Harvey: Oh, wow. 

Mr.Benja: So it's just basically designing its own ad campaigns, getting you in front of the right people or the wrong people. I don't know how it's, I. You're gonna be doing it.

That, that one. But like, it's like, why, why, why are all my books going to Northern Kentucky? And you find out there's some cult out there, you're like, no. 

Theo Harvey: Uh, last year I did a deep dive into all of Facebook stuff, so I have to put some ads out there. They work, man. I mean, you just, I have to constantly change it.

The challenge with the algorithm is, um, so they used to have like real specific targeting and that was cool. So they got, you know, when I started playing for last year, they kind of got rid of a lot of that. But you still had to kind of create your, your, your content, you know, keep it updated regularly so it can feed the algorithm.

But the challenge, uh, if you kinda get a, uh, the AI algorithm is like y. How do you trust it to, to, you know, not put their thumb on the scale. Right? They're gonna always put the thumb on the scale of making it, uh, cost you more. And so that's the challenge I have with ai, uh, running things. And so, um, so it'll be interesting to see how this all pans out.

I can tell you right now, someone who runs Google Ads, I'm seeing some, some def uh, some lower, some decreased leads coming my way, and that's mm-hmm. Absolutely because of search. People are not search on Google as much. I, I gotta believe that. And so I think, you know, I'm seeing decreases in my Google ad, uh, the upticks.

I just, you know, put some more money into it just recently just to see what would happen this month. If it ain't performing, man, I'm gonna, I gotta like, take all that money out and I gotta like, put it somewhere else. So, um, it's like, yeah, man, it's, it's, yeah, ads is. It is not where it's at. I get it. You know, you're trying to grow, you gotta get the cold, colder audiences.

But the ad man, it's just, it's, it's, uh, it's a race to it. It really increases your customer acquisition cost because you've really put a lot of money to get these new audiences into your boat. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, so, exactly. So here's a story from, um, it's bounced from MSN, it came from Wall Street Journal. Let's see. Uh, meta is all in on creating the ads you see on Instagram and Facebook.

Meta is working on a near future where you, many of the ads you see on Facebook or Instagram are created from scratch by ai and thus more easily targeted specifically to you. Its goal is fully automated AI powered ad generation by the end of 2026. So trying to cut out roles for copywriters, designers, media buyers, um.

Artist and, uh, whatever you call them, production people. 

Theo Harvey: Well, you know, I'm using the whole Frank Kern strategy. I have, uh, one ad it's been performing. I use it. It's pretty well, it's not, it's okay, but it's so cheap. It's like, uh, you heard the one where he said, what you do is you create an ad and it basically just tell the title of the, um.

Of the website they wanna go to. You don't put a link. Yeah. You know, it's just awareness campaign and it works. I mean, I'm getting a couple thousand, you know, a month, you know, just going to this one website and I don't really do anything with it. It's so cheap. You get a hundred thousand, 200,000, 500,000 impressions for very cheap.

And so, um, forget clicking man. I don't trust the clicking 

Mr.Benja: man. Frank Kern doesn't, Frank Kern doesn't wanna do any work. 

Theo Harvey: Well, it makes sense. You just say, Hey guys. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah, 

Theo Harvey: you just say one little thing. Um, and you just keep saying that over and over again to the right audience, you know, they'll eventually go search you out and, and that's proven out.

I've been running for the last, what, almost a year now, and I get at least a couple of leads from it. And it is pretty cheap. 'cause you know, you're not clicking on anything. It's just awareness campaign, so you don't have to pay for. You know, 2, 3, 4 or $5 a click. And so you're just paying for like, you know, pennies on a dollar.

Now will that go up? 'cause it's his AI thing probably. But you know, he can't, they can't, I, I can't attribute this ad to, to a, a, uh, conversion. Does that make sense? It's just more of an awareness. It's like a billboard. It's like, hey. Yeah. So it's, uh, so I've been kind of experiment with that. I was thinking about putting some more money in to see what would happen, just to see if I can get some more leads from that.

But, um, but anyway, so that's just my 2 cents on it. Mr. Benja, uh, anything else 

Mr.Benja: wanna hit? Wanna hit some trailers real quick? Yeah, 

Theo Harvey: let's do that, man. Um, tell you got one here, but did you, you have anything else going? You saw anything else? 

Mr.Benja: Oh, real, really quick, uh, in the, for, for the comments today. Thank you everybody who provided good information on I.

What was that Jason Memorial film? I'm, I'm so sorry. I forgot the name of it. Uh, 

Theo Harvey: chief of War. 

Mr.Benja: Chief of War. Yeah. I was about to say War Chief or something like that. Um, but that got some comments and, uh, let me just look it up. Yeah, so I want, I wanna read some of 'em right quick.

Sorry guys. I we're, we're doing it live. So this is what happens now. Wicked for good. 

Viewer Engagement and Comments

Mr.Benja: Let's see, let's see if we could have some, okay, here we go. Chief of war from our trailer. Yeah, we got, um, for, for 89 views, we have, uh, four comments with actual commentary, which means a good thing, you know, people are actually checking in on commenting.

So, uh, happy for that. But one person says it's based on True story. Lele ca. A very authentic sounding name. It says, it's based on the true story of the unification of the Hawaiian kingdom through the view, through the eyes of Ena Kayana, sorry, historical figure in Hawaiian history, who was a high ranking chief and warrior and haha, who may later, who later became king of unified Hawaii king Ka meha.

That comes from dragon ball, by the way. Now it doesn't come from dragon ball, but dragon ball, take that. Got that from here. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. So people let the, the people looking out for chief of war, man, I, I like to hear that. Lava. Yeah. Simone in Hawaiian history, 

Theo Harvey: I like this lava sledding. That's all they put.

Facts. Facts,

yeah. Um, okay. Yeah man. So people checking that out. So I appreciate everybody's comments on that one. Um. 

Discussion on Wicked and Wizard of Oz

Theo Harvey: I'm trying to think. Let's see. We got a lot of views on, um, did we get any comments on Wicked for Good? Let's see. No. Oh yeah. Jenny Beans 91 says they sure better not remake the Wizard of Oz and the rest of the books.

Nah, I wouldn't want that either. However, I do love The Wizard of Oz and the first Wicked movie. I've seen them both many times. I can't wait for this one. Well, dang. They just want to do one and done. Huh? Two and done. I guess they're gonna do the first one and the, uh, the second one. And I guess people, uh, are not, if they do all the, did you check to see how many Wizard of Oz books they have out there?

No. No. I didn't turn off. It's it's ae Mob Man. You thought they had. Uh, so many mis uh, so many members in, uh, Wu-Tang Clan Man. It's, it's to the Wizard of Oz books. Oz Books. Let's see. And by, let's see, how many books does he have here? Uh, the Wizard of Oz, the, let's see, the Wizard of Oz, 1900, the Marvelous Land of Oz, 1905, OSMA of Oz, Dorothy, and The Wizard in Oz, the Road to Oz, the Emerald City of Oz, the Patchwork Girl of Oz, the TikTok.

Oh, what, oh, wait a minute. Did they come on with what? Tiktoks been around for a minute, but TikTok, oh my God. The phrase 1914 TikTok. Aw man. They, that shit come out like yesterday. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. My, my sister was into all this, and she used to be, she used to be a good storyteller. Um, you know, I. She would tell stories from books that she'd read.

Wow. And I'd be all like, wow, really? That's great. That's awesome. So she got me into the whole book and storytelling kind of thing, but I just remember after the Basics of Oz, she's like, and then I was like, eh, nah, I just remember falling off and didn't care about anything she had to say about the Emerald City or, you know, Rinka Tink, you know, tin Woodman and all that.

Those other books just didn't care. 

Theo Harvey: I don't know why. I mean, dude, I'm looking at this man. There's been a Wizard of Oz book, uh, every decade. At least three since. Well, yeah. Well, the last one it looks like was in 2001, according to Wiki, uh, YouTube, I mean, uh, Google. But, uh. That's crazy, Mr. Benja. This is a lot.

So, 

Mr.Benja: so the original author wrote 14. Yes. And then other authors wrote more. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Yeah. Of course. He didn't live that long, but just writing, I, I write all books till the day I die. Um, but yeah, it's, yeah, I'm looking at this now. He, let's see. Well, let's see. He, I'm trying to think. They just had the title, but who wrote this book down?

Tell you the book. But anyway, yeah, man, it's crazy. 14 books, man. He wrote from 1900 to, for about 20 years. He just wrote nothing but OZ books. That's crazy. Um, I 

Mr.Benja: must be, I must be Life, man. You sit back, um, and, you know, do some illicit substances and sit out thinking around Oz, what's going on with him? I don't know.

I just, I just come by to check to see if, I think that's, 

Theo Harvey: to me, that's amazing, man. You, you create something that's so crazy. It just, I mean, in your lifetime you see it be successful and just like, uh, what's it, uh, sir. Uh, what's his, the guy who created Sherlock Holmes. What's his name? 

Mr.Benja: Isaac Newton. 

Theo Harvey: No, no, 

Mr.Benja: no.

Theo Harvey: La coming your 

Mr.Benja: way.

Theo Harvey: Uh, uh, con Dole or something like that. Let's see. Sir. Conan Dole. Conan Dole. Yeah. So Author Koan Dole. But what if you created something so powerful in your lifetime? In your lifetime? Man, this is something that gets big. So anyway, I digress. We digress. You 

Mr.Benja: know, I never looked up a picture of Sir Arthur Corner and Doyle and I didn't know he had this oz kind of mustache.

Theo Harvey: Yeah. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. That's what you get for being a writer and a physician at the same time. A mustache 

Theo Harvey: like that. 

Trailer Reactions and Movie Discussions

Theo Harvey: Uh, so what, uh, what are we gonna watch here? We got, uh, what's this one called? The pickup. Anything else you want? It's got Eddie Watch. 

Mr.Benja: It's got Eddie Murphy in it. Um. So that's all I'm saying. 

Theo Harvey: Is there anything else you wanna watch?

Let's see. That was interesting to see. I 

Mr.Benja: actually haven't seen the, the Superman trail. I figured you have. 

Theo Harvey: I didn't want, yeah, I just, I'm, I think I'm tired, man. I'm just ready for the movie to come out. Alright. I be sorry. Aren't you at this point just like, just come out Dammit Trailers. Uh, let's see.

Anything Trailer is this week. That was interesting. 

Mr.Benja: Well, the Space Ball's teaser. I'll wait for the real trailer 

Theo Harvey: to come up. Yeah, I'll see that. And these remakes, man, I'm, I'm exhausted with that too, so, uh, yeah, man. It looks like that's the only one I see. Um, 

Mr.Benja: oh man. We gotta at least have two for the, 

Theo Harvey: yeah, for the fans, for the i, for the, for the fans In the algorithm 

Mr.Benja: Algo.

Theo Harvey: The algo for algo. Uh, let's see. No, that's three weeks ago. Lemme see if you see anything. 

Mr.Benja: Hey, wait a minute. Uh, star Trek Strange in the world's trailer. I saw 

Theo Harvey: that. Oh yeah. Well, I, I saw piece pieces of it, but yeah, I, I'll rock with that. I, yeah, rock with that. Lemme copy that link. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. Yeah. You like Star Trek?

Oh, I love it, man. I love that you like them, Vulcans and them,

Theo Harvey: and you get down with it. Farin, get down man. I love Star Trek. I don't know what it is, man. Especially that show, that show's aba. Amazing. 

Mr.Benja: Alright. You know what, 

Theo Harvey: link brother. 

Mr.Benja: I wasn't gonna say this, but. Um, uh, oh. Lemme, lemme paste this link very quick before I, before I get into that foolishness. Star Wars Strange New World.

I, I'll, I'll say, I'll say it when we get to the Star Trek portion. All right. You got some Star Trek 

Theo Harvey: stuff all. Is it, is it tied to, uh, cosplay and Star Trek? No. How they get down.

Mr.Benja: All right. You ready? Ready for the, uh, do to do the pickup? 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. Hold on one second. Where's the, uh, link? Did you send, where'd you put the link at? In the, uh, I 

Mr.Benja: send the, 

Theo Harvey: uh, 

Mr.Benja: send the doc. 

Theo Harvey: Oh, it's in the doc. Okay. I thought you put in the, you know, I got like 20, 20 things open up, man. Let's see. Okay, here it is.

Let's do that one for the algo. For algo. Algo going like this. Why is it coming up twice? Uh, all right. Push pause. What y'all doing to me?

All right. All right. You know, I'm a strange new world's head. All right, Mr. Benes, you ready? Go ahead and do your pickup. 

Mr.Benja: All right. This is the official trailer reaction for the pickup of 2025 movie with Eddie Murphy, Pete Davidson, Kiki Palmer, and others coming to Prime Video, and we're starting right now.

Theo Harvey: Interesting. 

Mr.Benja: So Eddie Murphy's still taking this, uh, this prime money and loving it. Yeah. 

Theo Harvey: Well, Netflix Prime money 'cause uh, yeah, because when's, uh, Beverly Hills Cop four, I think it was on Netflix I thought, or maybe it was on Prime. I got, I think it was on Netflix, 

Mr.Benja: uh, that, that was from Netflix, I believe.

Theo Harvey: And, but, uh, come to America, to your point was on Prime. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, man, I don't know. Seems like basic story. I mean, I like everybody in it. Of course he doesn't like see Kiki doing her thing. Yeah. Kiki doing Kiki. Uh, you saw that Andrew Dice Clay? What's that about? I thought he was canceled. Yeah, 

Mr.Benja: you can't cancel, you can't cancel the dice, man.

Theo Harvey: You know what I like to do to pick a pig bang, you know, 

Mr.Benja: you know, you know what's so funny is that that's like one of his characters, but the only character anybody knows. 

Theo Harvey: Oh, yes. Good point. Yeah. That's, 

Mr.Benja: that's a complete character. Yeah. And people say if you meet him, they're like. Yeah. He's just always in a character.

Yeah. So he's doing some character. Yeah. Like most of the time that was thing. And most, most people don't even know who he is. 

Theo Harvey: Well, that was the thing that popped off. Just like, you know, you're a YouTuber, you know, whatever you do. Yeah. It pops off. You gonna keep doing that. Right. And so, uh, but it be like 

Mr.Benja: most of his friends, because he carries it like in for life.

Theo Harvey: Oh, wow. That's, that's, that's some old So deep method stuff, right? Yeah. Who knows? Uh, it was too long, man. I mean, you know, it just for trailer? Yes, for trailer. It's just like going to, you know, the backstory. Who is this? Who is that? You know, then we go get together. We made out that we, so, I don't know, man. I give it a, like a B.

No, I give it a C. Uh, it's just, yeah, it's just seemed tired a little bit. Um, I kind of know where go, where all this is going. I like, I mean, Marshawn Lynch is in it, you know, Eddie Murphy, but it doesn't seem, the jokes didn't seem interesting enough. I don't see the market, uh, that's really driving this to go see it.

But then. It's Prime video, so, 

Mr.Benja: yeah. You know what's funny? It's like they added explosions and it still feel, felt cheap. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. So, you know, it's like, uh, yeah, this has been out for six days and it's only got four comments on it. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. 

Mr.Benja: Oh yeah. So, you know, it, it could be something, but I don't doubt I was, I was gonna It's hard to, 

Theo Harvey: it's hard.

I mean, to be honest with you, be, I don't see any streaming movies very rarely. Now, streaming TV shows can pop off, right? Mm-hmm. Boys on Prime, uh, gen Z, uh, gen V uh, popped off, um, adolescence on Netflix recently popped off. I just don't, very rarely is that a TV show? Maybe? Um, the New Guard did halfway decent.

Um, I. Uh, what's that extraction? I don't know if you saw that on Netflix. That did pretty decent for crim. Hell, Chris Heworth, but movies, man, it seemed like they're just like a dime a dozen on streaming. It's just seem, they seem cheap 

Mr.Benja: on, so if you've got, if you've got stars, why don't you go ahead and take the risk and do a little something interesting.

Exactly. 

Theo Harvey: I don't know. I don't know, man. 

Mr.Benja: Oh man. I was asking from the business side. I was, 

Theo Harvey: oh, I, I'm asking you from Creative Side. I have no idea, man. You know, they're gonna release Happy Gilmore on Netflix and it's just gonna be tired. I have a feeling's just not going to be the ump there. The first one was hilarious.

I, I look that, and the waterboard to me are the two best. You, you know, you could have a, 

Mr.Benja: you could have a subtitle to, uh, happy Gilmore and All Would, and you could just, happy Gilmore subtitle. Revenge of the Gator and you get more people watching it just, just by doing that. 

Theo Harvey: Good point. That's a good Brandon right there, Mr.

Bencher. Yeah, we not switch. I'm going on your side. You coming on my side? We're gonna switch sides. Um, yeah man, they, they, they should do, but, well this is, it likes original story, so they're trying to create the interest in there, but I don't know. It seems tired, man. So it's like, you, you know how you watch a Netflix show or TV or movies like, eh, nothing else to do.

Lemme see what's out there. And I randomly picked, uh, well, we'll get into this a second, but I randomly picked this one. Show You Ever a show called, uh, Jenny in Georgia. It's like the number one show in Netflix right now. 

Mr.Benja: Uh. No, no, I don't know. Ginny in Georgia. Yeah, it's, it's basically they drop Netflix, by the way.

Oh, well 

Theo Harvey: there you go. It's, it's basically a, a hard-edged version of Gilmore Go Girls. So I know you probably don't watch the Gilmore Girls either. Neither did I, but yeah, as a mother and daughter and they're just living their lives. So I say all that to say is like, it's one of those shows that, uh, I see why it is driving attention, but it's not one of those things where that's for me.

And so Netflix has shows like that. You'll watch it. Okay. I, you know, it's kinda like, you know, less filling, you know, you just fill up with some empty calories. Oh yeah. That was good. Yeah. But I'm, I'm still a fool. So C solid C for me, for, uh, the pickup. What about you? 

Mr.Benja: Um, you said a solid CI give it a c plus man.

I give it a c plus. A little, a little more. I don't, don't know. I like the explosions. I kind of, I like what they're trying to do. Maybe if they can get into that. That groove of doing these type of movies, it could be something. So there's future there. Almost gave it a B minus going with the c plus. I love it.

Theo Harvey: All right, let's move on. 

Mr.Benja: All right, so be sure you, uh, like, and subscribe and all that. Uh, we do have a full podcast if you're just checking out the trailer. So be sure to check out our full podcast with all kinds of nonsense, like AI and whatever else. And that was just me getting used to putting a bumper at the end of the trailer.

Thank you. We're doing it live, baby. I will type that up for next time. 

Star Trek: Strange New Worlds Reaction

Mr.Benja: All right, you ready for, uh, the Star Trek business? 

Theo Harvey: Let do it. 

Mr.Benja: All right. Lemme pull that up. Get Eddie Murphy outta here. This is our official trailer reaction for Star Trek. Strange. New Worlds exclusive from, this is not exclusive, inclusive.

There we go. Starting right. Now 

Theo Harvey: dad joke,

Mr.Benja: actually, actually. I'm gonna applaud that joke at the end. I'm glad they did that 

Theo Harvey: Dad joke. Um, I mean, you know, I'm a fan. You star, you're a star check guy. I'm biased. This is an a for me man. I'm, I mean, I just, I can't, can't deny it. Great. You know, they know their are, they know their audience. I mean, if you watch a show, I mean, it is definitely one of the better Star Trek, uh, shows.

I mean, it basically, you know, the premise, right? It's before James Kirk shows up on the enterprise. So it's, uh, Christopher Pike, so that's why you have, uh, Spock there, you know? Mm-hmm. And then, um. But James, Kurt, he's in the show now, so it's kinda weird. So he is kinda like, Hey, I'm here, I'm, you know, lieutenant, you know, I'm hanging around, but you know, I'm not the captain officially yet.

And then, uh, they have, uh, uh, uh, you know, all these other, uh, hurl. She's there. The, the, the, the sister, she's the playing, um, uh, Nichols, um, who played the original U Horror, so she's on the enterprise. So yeah, they got some of the original ca, you know, characters from the original Star Trek on this show, but then they mix it up with some new characters, so, kinda interesting.

Um, so, so 

Mr.Benja: is this, is this, uh, Spock. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah, that's prequel. It's a prequel. It is a prequel to the uh, star Trek. Basically. Early Spock. Yeah. Yeah. Early Spock before he becomes Spock, you know, are you out? Your Oke in mine? So, um, yeah, so those are kind of, you know, the, the premise of it. And that's, uh, Christopher Pike before he gets in that.

Do you know the premise of that? Yes. While he got that little pike. Yeah. In that robot, he was on that little thing that he can't move 'cause he got his body burnt up. So anyway, telling me get into the lower Star Trek, it's a whole thing. Um, but anyway, uh, yeah man, it's fun show man. It's kind of like taking you back to old, uh, next generation, but they're a little bit goofier with it.

They did a whole singing episode whereby sang 'cause of some mysterious alien. 

Mr.Benja: You see, that's what I expected. And what are, what are they doing with these trailers? Like who are they talking to? If you're gonna be about the romance and the friendships and the goofiness, put that out on Front 

Theo Harvey: Street, man.

Well, they, they're, they're, they're talking to me. That's why I gave it an a man. 'cause I know the character. So you, why do you think they looked in the camera? You know? 'cause they know, Hey, this is for you. 

Mr.Benja: But that's what I want. That's what I want more of. And I'm saying they kind of, they kind of played it off in the little 

Theo Harvey: slight.

Okay. But then if, you know, if you watch the show, this is the what, the fourth season of it. They think it ends next season. One more season. So if you know the characters, 

Mr.Benja: this is the third season. Third season it says in season three. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah. So if you know the characters, you know, then. That, you know, only a show that's confident in who they are.

They're gonna market the people, the characters, more so than the storylines. Now, for you as a new viewer, you don't give a heels of beans about who these people are looking in the camera about. Right? So to you, but I, but I wanted, but, but I wanted more of that. That's what I'm saying. I don't care about you no more, Mr.

Pitcher. You would've jumped on, you know, before you, it is too late for you. I'm not sure. I'm not sure 

Mr.Benja: your view is valid because you just love Star Trek too much. 

Theo Harvey: No, they, they, they don what they, I'm tell, but look at the marketing. They already know. They, they know for a fact who's their audience. So they don't need to even tell you anything about this.

Look, have the actors just look in the camera. 'cause they know who wants to watch this and who knows those characters 

Mr.Benja: and their 

Theo Harvey: storylines 

Mr.Benja: from their, from their 3,100 views eight days ago. They have three comments. 

Theo Harvey: But that's the IGN, you know, we were looking at the I GN one. Let's, let's go to the Paramount.

Go to the Paramount Official trailer. 

Mr.Benja: Uh, strange New Orleans, season three. Lets trailer, let's find the one from Paramount. Paramount Plus. Okay. 3.7 million views. Yeah. Let's see if it's, uh, that's, that's much more appropriate, right? Yeah. Apologies. I should have done that before. 390 comments actually. Does that work out to be, that's less of a percentage, right?

Theo Harvey: It don't matter. People gonna wanna see it. No, I'm just playing. So you're saying they had opportunity to give you more so you could, um, be drawn into it and potentially checked it out? 

Mr.Benja: Like, I want to know if they're gonna go with the characters. I want to know more about the characters. I don't need to see these quick flashes.

And then next thing you know, stars starships are blowing up in space. I'm like, yeah, get back to the characters. Mm-hmm. 

Theo Harvey: Okay, well, you know, I think they're trying to show you that this is a care driven show and, uh, did this is something that, yeah, I mean, you know, to your point, 'cause the la last season they hyped up that they were bring Captain Kirk to the show.

So they were getting hyped, trying to bring new viewers in the first season it was about like the action and stuff. So I think now they're just like, Hey, we're selling in, this is the third season. We got two more seasons and we're done. So let's just sell it into who we are. We're not gonna grow this audience beyond this anymore.

That's cool. So that's cool. 

Yeah, so that's, that's, that's why I give it an a 'cause they know they're our brand, their audience, and so, and they're right. I mean, you know, I know everyone, their storylines and characters, uh. Who is my favorite, what I say on that show? Uh, let's see. Surprisingly, um, there's a character who is related to Kahan, and I didn't know her from Adam, but she actually is one of the better actors and you know, of the show.

And she's kinda like, you know, holding it down. And it is, you know, you would think Spock would be like the main one. Of course, he's a shiny star, but mm-hmm. Her character is the one that's kind of holding it all together a little bit, you know? And the captain is pretty good too. He's, you know, kinda like, you know, is this one of those, hit it, you know, Hey Captain, hey, hey,

and hi. Well shout out man. I think I, you know, and then I'm motioning I told you what episode last year, um, uh, at Astra, I told you that was mm-hmm. An amazing story about what it means to be an immigrant. And that, that was like, uh, ama, you know, star Wars, I mean Star Trek. Uh, if you don't know, they, they, they traffic in a lot of metaphor.

And so, so yeah, that was about being an immigrant basically. And it was amazing episode. And, uh, the, the actress who came in, she killed it. And so I thought that was amazing. So, yeah, I'm a, I'm a fan. I'm a fan, so, okay, 

Mr.Benja: so controversial thing I was gonna say before that has nothing to do with the trailer. Um, when I was young and first starting to get into politics 

Theo Harvey: okay, 

Mr.Benja: and figuring out this stuff, I was like, Hey, I are the faries supposed to be Jewish?

Is that what they're doing? I did think that when I was young, I was like, are they, I, I thought that's what they might be trying to do. I didn't make that connection. Um, apparently that's a misconception. It's just supposed to be greedy, capitalist from the eighties, and that's where that came from. Um, so.

Anybody who thought that might have been Jewish, uh, you shut the hell up. Because we, we don't, we don't play that over here. 

Theo Harvey: Well, you know, there's rumors, uh, rolins are Jew, uh, uh, Japanese, you know, Umhmm, what's the name? Um, Cleon are Russian. So it's, it's, it's a thing out there. If you didn't know, Cleon are very aggressive and know all war seeking, you know, folks ro Rolins are very sneaky, you know, trying to do their thing.

So it's, it's of a thing. But yes, I, I, I don't know, but I don't know. If you look four, you can find it. 

Mr.Benja: Yeah. And trust me, when you're building this stuff, you actually have to think about it. 

Theo Harvey: Oh, real talk. Real talk. Can't, 

Mr.Benja: you just can't put stuff out there and be like, 

Theo Harvey: Hmm, 

Mr.Benja: you can try. That's how you get that, that 

Theo Harvey: lane, whatever his name is, you

Mr.Benja: Yeah. You get, you get done up and Well, 

Theo Harvey: hey, real quick, there's a show on Apple tv. You gotta at least have that Mr. Benja, right? 

Mr.Benja: Uhoh Apple tv. 

Theo Harvey: Yeah, I'm 

Mr.Benja: here. Yeah. No, I, I got Apple TV because I'm sophisticated now. 

Theo Harvey: Okay, good. There's a show called The Studio and this, you'll like the studio. It's not, 

Mr.Benja: I like the studio.

No. Oh, you watched it. One of the reasons I got, one of the reasons I got on was for the studio. Yes. 

Theo Harvey: So you did watch the whole thing. The, 

Mr.Benja: have I watched the whole thing? No, I think I have a couple episodes. Did you 

Theo Harvey: watch the episode where they went into the racial, the racial casting with the ice cube in it?

Mr.Benja: Kool-Aid man. Yes. 

Theo Harvey: Hilarious. When they're sitting there going through, we can't have two black folks in this, black folks in, man. That's the funniest episode. I have crack. Matter of fact, I might watch that again. Once again, real talk. That was real talk. I was like, they're going there. 

Mr.Benja: This, this is stuff that happens.

We had, I can't think there was a video game, uh, we did a while back. It was one of the Army men video games and there's, uh, a Jamaican character. Oh no. And the character already has this overly stereotypical voice, but people were like, Hey, let's do this and do this. And it's like, huh. So we start this mission, and right off the bat, the Jamaican guy gets in trouble and this and that.

It's like, why him? Well. Actually the other character did this so they wouldn't have been over here. And then, yeah, it just kind of happened that way. It's like, yeah, and everybody looks around. It's like you have to, this stuff, even if it's accidental, doesn't matter. You have to look out for it. Make sure your stuff plays out.

Right. And you're not saying anything that you don't mean to say interpretation is fine, but if there's something you intentionally did not try to say, don't say it, 

Theo Harvey: I guess, man. Yeah. So it's hilarious though. So yeah, go check out the studio if you haven't seen it, guys. It's one of the funniest shows, um, especially when they start getting to that third act when all chaos ends.

You gotta definitely see the last episode. Hilarious. Okay. Yeah. So, uh, Mr. Benja, man, I think that's it, man. We, we, no, no. Hold on, hold on. But as far as this rating goes for Star Trek, what, what you talking about? Oh, I gave it, I said it was a, I was serious. 

Mr.Benja: Total. A, a, yeah, man. Um, B minus, oh, things blew up and just, but it's like.

It wasn't, it wasn't strange. It wasn't that new to me. I was just like, Hey, show me more of the characters. Show me more of something I didn't know. He said, new adventures, new world, new romances. And it seemed like people in, in the same colored church doing the same thing. 

Theo Harvey: You want, you want some of that strange, huh, Mr.

Bitch

from a new world

say anything, say, Hey, you would've hit it.

They know what they doing. They know what they doing. So, uh, yeah man. Mr. Benja, this is a fun episode, man. 

Final Thoughts and Sign-Off

Theo Harvey: We've been going live, guys and I, I'm, I think I'm liking it, Mr. Benja. It is looser. We, uh, we still cover our points. Uh, we still got some stuff to work on, but, uh, yeah. Yeah, we're gonna put it out there, edit it up and get it back out to you guys.

So, uh, Mr. Benja, anything else going this week for you? 

Mr.Benja: Uh, that's much man. Gonna get hyped up on some more Japanese candy and um, yeah, it's gonna be great. 

Theo Harvey: Oh, man, I love it, man. So get it right, get it right. All right guys. Hey, thank you for your time. Appreciate it. Please like, subscribe and comment at show versus business on X Threads, YouTube and Instagram.

Listen to us at Spotify tunes wherever you listen to podcasts. And go visit us at our website show versus business, Mr. Benja. Peace.