all right, continuing the digimon extreme review with digimon adventure 2. I'm gonna be real with y'all. Ladies and gentlemen, this is probably gonna be the weakest link in this extreme review, because there's not a whole lot to say about adventure 2 in my opinion. But luckily I have kookagasu, leah and Tanara joining me today, so, without further ado, let's go ahead and zone in on it. Essentially, with Digimon Adventure 2, it's about how the OG cast is pretty much moving on. Well, most of them you have TK and Kairi, who is still going on. Kairi excuse me, fucking Kokugasu, got me crossed up last time calling her Kairi when it Kari. Excuse me, fucking cookie guys got me crossed up last time calling her Kairi when it was Kari.
Speaker 1:I was replaying Kingdom Hearts 3 at the time, so but essentially, tk and Kari was also part of this generation. And then you have Davis, Yoli, cody and then eventually ken. But we'll get to ken just a moment. Uh, for the most part, you know, you have cody, who's like the youngest. I don't, I don't know, I'm like I don't have much to say about cody. He just he was just kind of there for me, you know, he was the youngest of course, but he was just kind of there for the most part.
Speaker 1:Uh, yoli was the young, the, uh, the big sister type character, uh, where she was kind of like izzy and sora mixed together, in my opinion, uh. And then you had davis, who was really acting like a clone of ty, you know, with the goggles and all the other shit, but for the most part, yeah, he does kind of shine a little bit when it comes to leadership, when the time comes, you know. And then Ken, you know his thing, he was the Digimon emperor. You know his thing, he was the Digimon Emperor, but, you know, after he realized some of the shit that he was doing was wrong and he repented, blah, blah, blah. We'll get into it. So, starting with you know what, koguyasu, how did you feel about Adventure 2?
Speaker 2:Of course you're getting on me on this. It's cool, it's cool, it's cool. So, literally, Digimon Adventure 2, in very few words I will put it in. It wanted to definitely be a really good continuation to the first one and I'm hoping I'm not taking words from somebody else, but it wanted to be a great way of a continuation into the first one, but for me the beginning part felt lacking, whereas it did feel as if, like they were copying the first characters into the second season or into the second series per se, and what wound up happening is is that it felt kind of lacking because it didn't feel like we had the full cast.
Speaker 2:You know, it felt like somebody was missing. Plus, on top of that, we're trying to introduce new characters that are pretty much acting the exact same way as the young first characters, which I'm like we're introducing new characters, let's get like different personalities. The most interesting thing to me wound up being the egg, the armor digivolving, which was very interesting to the fact that we were introduced to armor digivolving before regular digivolving in this series. That, to me, was a very interesting approach in the fact that it's like by the time we get further into the series and they're like, oh, we can do a regular digivolve, and it almost made it feel as if a regular digivolve was stronger than armor digivolving, but it wasn't supposed to be. Armor digivolve was stronger than armor digivolving, but it wasn't supposed to be. Armor digivolve was supposed to be stronger, but it was like it just felt kind of off, a little bit onto that for me. So there was some things that kind of get lackluster into it.
Speaker 2:And then finally, when the digimon emperor, we get him, and you know we're like, okay, so we finally get a human protagonist, you know someone who's kind of different and being able to play into that whole real world scenario that we see in a lot of magic girl anime, where it's like if there's a human protagonist, like even back at salem moon time, where it's like there's another human possible antagonist or isn't it antagonist? And you know they go to school, they do their stuff, but they're also doing stuff outside of school and things like that. So it's like, oh, we need to find out who this person is and becomes a whole mystery. And then it went to the straight normal video game trope where when you're fighting the big bad, they're this all-powerful, super strong person and then when they switch sides to your side, they've like been demoted by 50 fucking levels and you're just like, oh my gosh, you're weak as shit. You were so much more powerful when I was writing you. Now you're just like nothing. There's a lot of different tropes into it, but overall I did enjoy second season.
Speaker 2:It isn't my favorite for those particular reasons that it felt like a copy, felt incomplete and didn't start feeling complete until about halfway through, which I get was on purpose in the writing, but then it was some stuff. It just kind of to me it felt like it felt it fell off. And this is coming the fact that I have not re-watched the second one for this review. I'm coming off of this from watching it as a kid. That's the last time I've watched the second season was as a kid. I have not re-watched it. This is me going back into my mind as a kid watching it and having moments where I'm like I was not as excited to be like, oh, disney Month's coming on, I'm going to click on it. I was pretty interested in possibly watching some other shows, type of thing, and it's not that I wouldn't watch it, it's just that it didn't want to fully grasp my attention, like the first season did, just to me personally.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, that's all good. Leah, you had your hand raised. What's up?
Speaker 4:So just like, I guess, a couple of counter arguments. I guess you could call it. First off, the second series is straight up a continuation of the first. Unlike all the other Digimon shows, it's not supposed to be standalone. You are expected to have watched the first series, yeah, so it's like we were introduced to original Digivolving through the first series but then the second one. We have a handicap of oh, regular Digivolving doesn't first series, but then the second one. We have a handicap of, oh, regular digivolving doesn't work. So we have to find a workaround.
Speaker 1:So I would argue that egg or armored digivolving is not supposed to be stronger, but it's a workaround to regular digivolving because we've been cut off from that yeah, because keep in mind that the way the first arc started is where they have these dark towers and these dark rings and the dark Digivice that the Digimon Emperor had prevented the Digidestined from Digivolving regularly. So of course, having the armors was the workaround, like what Leo was saying, and until they defeated the Digimon Emperor, that's when they were able to regular digivolve.
Speaker 2:So it was more like a temporary type deal until then um the fact that I said I'm only coming off of this after watching no that's fair.
Speaker 4:That's why I'm kind of bringing some of this up. Is that again? First off, it's not a standalone series, um it's. It is straight up a continuation of the first Armor. Digivolving is not a. It's not like warp digivolving or the other kind of digivolves that we came across. It's just supposed to be an alternate route, so to speak. And then the thing with Ken when he joined our side and lost power, yeah, that is a total trope they used, but they actually gave an in-world explanation for it and that's the fact that your Digimon evolved best with love and care. And Ken has never learned to actually love or care for his Digimon until he finally got redeemed. So he's working at a handicap because he hasn't actually been working with his Digimon partner. All this time he's been corrupting others to do his bidding. So by default he's weaker because he's in class 1. Everyone else is in class 10.
Speaker 1:Tanara, you had your hand raised on what you got.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I don't actually know the second season. I barely watched any of the first. Who is this Digimon Emperor? Is that the one that was in charge of those black gears in season one?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 4:In season two they get these dark, taller things. He's pretty much one of the DigiDestined, but before he could properly take the title of a good guy he pretty much got corrupted and he's also a super intelligent programmer. He's also a very intellectual programmer in real life, so he thought that DigiWorld was like some kind of weird video game that he could enter. He didn't realize there were living, breathing creatures. So he enslaved them through programming.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 4:And started calling himself the Digi Emperor.
Speaker 3:All right, I got it. I just wasn't sure if I had seen him in the no no.
Speaker 4:No, no, he's just a human kid who's part of the new DigiDestined team. It's supposed to be yeah, okay, he's just a human kid who's part of the new DigiDestined team. It's supposed to be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, cool. Yes, I understand, tanara, that you're new to Digimon, but I do appreciate you joining us from an expository point of view, to where it's like we try to explain how Digimon works from an outside point of view, and that'd be like a fun challenge how Digimon works from an outside point of view, then that'd be like a fun challenge.
Speaker 1:Now, speaking of which with the Digimon Emperor, the main thing was Ken. He had this thing with his brother, sam, like old Sam, like the older brother that everybody liked more, and blah, blah, blah, and Ken felt a little jealous of him. And then one day the Digivice came out and then Sam was like, okay, let's just put this in the desk and we're just going to leave it alone. And then you know, ken being a kid, he got curious, so he went to the desk, he activated Digivice, went into the digital, the digital world, popped back out, had fun and all that shit, and sam got mad at um ken. Ken, uh, was mad at sam for scolding him and kind of wishing that sam would die already. And you know how it is, like you kind of don't want to wish that on family members or anybody honestly. But then sam eventually did die.
Speaker 1:Um ken fell into some sort of depression or he felt like he was at fault for it, and then he went back into the digital world, um, being convinced by I think it was arukiniman or orikawa and either way, yeah, it was oikawa. And then he got corrupted by going to this dark ocean, got the dark digivice corrupted with evil and like. The more the dark energy, that dark ring or whatever he had inside him, was in him, the more corrupt he became to where he's like. He just came this like tyrannical sadist and all that. So that's pretty much it. Um, with digimon emperor, you know, the digi death state eventually beat him with uh, the magna armor, with magna drummond, uh, and also the digimon emperor tried to create uh, chimera mod with the dna of the original digi distance digimon plus, uh, debby mon, but because debbyimon's DNA well being uncontrollable. That's why Chimerimon was kind of hard to control and bullshit and all that. But that was pretty much like the Digimon Emperor arc. But, leah, you had your hand raised, what's up?
Speaker 4:Oh, I couldn't remember if his brother died or not. Yeah, he did, he did yeah.
Speaker 1:I couldn't remember if his brother died or not.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he did, he did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, anything you want to add on to the Digimon Emperor arc before we move on. I don't want to say the wrong thing.
Speaker 1:No, I messed this up.
Speaker 2:I'm usually the research guy. I usually have all my notes prepared. I apologize for not being fully prepared onto this one, so this one to me is more of a review of how I felt watching it. I don't really have too much to add on, but if I did want to mention one other thing into it, I definitely did also like the armor digivolve, like the. The character designs were pretty fucking awesome to me. To be honest with you, like I'm just, I'm gonna get, I will never get over flamed rawan.
Speaker 2:When you first see him, you know, immediately flamed him off the fire of courage and I'm saying like all of a sudden, I'm like he just went to have this immensely deep ass voice out of nowhere. Holy crap, he turns on adult. He's got maturity and sure enough, he did like having courage automatically gave him an immense amount of maturity. Because V-Mon was the hothead that were running to anything. As soon as he did evolved into Flames of Mon, he was no longer that hothead anymore. He was calculated, which is very interesting because in fact he turns no longer that hothead anymore. He was calculated, which is very interesting, because in fact he turns into a literal hothead. But no, he was calculated on things. He would always be mindful of how he would do stuff and they would purposefully uh, you know he would purposely think things through and try to help people out and stuff.
Speaker 2:And sometimes v-mon would purposely like digivolve, like they would purposely have him Digivolve in order to figure out how to handle stuff. It's like we need an adult in this situation. V-mon, we need you to armor. Digivolve boom turns into an adult. Okay, this is how we're going to handle this situation. Um, but I mean, obviously, like armor, digivolve characters to me was a really great design. It was an opportunity to be able to see our Digimon characters like Dawn, armor and stuff and being able to change them a little bit. So yeah, as far as the Digimon Emperor art, that was kind of my thing into it. I obviously didn't like the collar stuff Because you know it definitely made Digimon feel like pets Pretty much really hurt my feelings on that. I'm like they are not pets, they are our friends.
Speaker 2:I think that was part of the point it was it was and it made me feel some type of way. I was just like. He is not my pet, they are my friends. I love my Digimon.
Speaker 3:He said that at first we think fish are friends, not food.
Speaker 1:That's what I was thinking too.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I missed Nemo, but yeah.
Speaker 1:No, that was Sharktail.
Speaker 4:Oh my god it was, that was.
Speaker 3:Nemo yeah that was right, that's right. Remember the Bruce and all them.
Speaker 2:Right, with Will Smith as the fish yeah.
Speaker 4:No, that was Sharktail. Yeah, will Smith as the fish.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no that was.
Speaker 4:Shark Tale. Yeah, will Smith was in Shark Tale. Fish are friends, not food. It's from Finding Nemo. Oh, it is from Finding.
Speaker 2:Nemo.
Speaker 4:Okay, yeah. Wait what it's a story in Merlin. Fighting over the head glasses make Trigger, get a nosebleed remember and have to make the shark freak out Because they wound up escaping through the torpedo chute.
Speaker 2:And then, yeah, I remember. Okay, so it was, it was one of the Nemo, oh yeah. That's totally random, Weird For reals though.
Speaker 4:Okay, okay, I was just gonna throw this out there because it's like they're competitors. I feel like Season 2 kind of makes this much more distinction between the concepts of Pokemon versus Digimon. Let's be honest Pokemon, yeah, they are pets. We have ownership over Pokemon. But Digimon, it's like, no, they're our partners, they're our friends plus.
Speaker 2:Keep in mind on this with Pokemon, you can just get a variety of them. Ash chooses to be with Pikachu, primarily when it comes down to when you get introduced. Everyone else, everyone else. They don't really have a main pokemon, they just treat them all equally and fair, like oh yeah, they're all my pets, type of thing versus you know, pikachu gets that special treatment. That's what makes us feel special about him. But other than that, yeah, they're pets, I agree with you, they're pets. But because you also get these variety, you get as many as you want. You can always be like oh, I want that one and go get it.
Speaker 2:Versus digimon, this is your one ally. Like there's no, oh, I want to trade you out. No, you have to get along with them. If you don't get along, you're not going to get, you're not going to succeed. Well, but this is also supposed to be the perfect Digimon for you. This Digimon, like their personality meshes with yours or is a direct copy of yours per se. Like that's what makes it like this is literally a mini-you type situation, but one that's your friend.
Speaker 4:And it's like, okay, it's your digital soulmate, right.
Speaker 2:Then you just don't have a Digimon, I was like damn, I want to, I want to gilmon, you know after, obviously I know we're not reviewing tamers, but I'm just being honest after like duke drew gilmon and he became real, I I did start drawing my own digimon, hoping that they would come real oh, I think a lot of kids did.
Speaker 1:I mean especially After the movie where you see Greymon versus the parrot Digimon Fighting. And Was it Shibuya? I swear to god if it's Shibuya.
Speaker 2:Cause we just talked about Shibuya. I told you, every anime does it. They have to have some type of Shibuya Incident to explain Massive destruction and death. It's just how it works. I told you, every anime does it, bro. They have to have some type of Shibuya incident to explain massive destruction and death. It's just how it works. All anime is timelines. It probably was Shibuya, to be honest with you, but no, for reals. And then also, I think it was the end of this season. Correct me if I'm wrong, because I know we're going to go through the recap, but I think it was at the end of this season where everybody got everyone in Japan got their own special Digimon.
Speaker 4:It might not have been, it started revealing that after the original DigiDestined, anyone could be a DigiDestined.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I was so upset I'm like they get theirs, but where's mine?
Speaker 1:It's like where's my own literature Hogwarts. That's how it kind of feels.
Speaker 4:I know you guys already did season one and stuff, but am I the only one who thinks the main kid had to be like really freaking stupid not to know? Kari was the eighth digidescent.
Speaker 2:So hold on. We had to go through a brief explanation on it. It was based upon the movie, so with the events that happened in the movie because it went through a flashback everyone has memories of something weird happened, but it was like all of their memories were erased. So the problem was is that it was a purposeposeful mental block that was put in their heads so that way they would not find Kairi as the DigiDestined, because it was Supposed to help hide her, so that way she wouldn't get caught, especially considering the fact that, was it Devimon? Was it Devimon that took her Digivice? I can't remember exactly Myodismon.
Speaker 4:He didn't take it. God of Bond just accidentally got dropped.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's just from the actual series.
Speaker 4:I'm not talking about the movie at all, I mean from the actual series. It's like they know they are looking for a kid who was supposed to go to camp with them, who had to live in the neighborhood that they all grew up in and has to be someone they know. These are the parameters they know. And then, you know, ty comes home and it's like, hey, sorry, sister of mine who was supposed to go to camp with me saw all this weird stuff and seems to recognize my digimon see, that's the thing.
Speaker 1:It's like you're cursing the audience with information that the cast doesn't know I know, I'm just it's like, I just feel like huh we're looking for a kid who's supposed to come to camp.
Speaker 4:We personally know and here's my kid sister, who somehow magically recognizes this monster she couldn't possibly know anything about.
Speaker 2:Yeah it was like something click in your brain saying maybe she's the one you need the movie to be the only explanation of why it is that these kids went on the fan Otherwise, yeah, they were just pretty much dumb, but they were little kids.
Speaker 4:So they were like teenagers and like they're going through like class yearbooks, going all the way back to kindergarten, and they're like hey, random kid I haven't talked to in seven years, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1:You're not wrong, you're not wrong. Yeah, it's always kind of funny, it took them so long to know it was Kari. I mean, I guess they can say that they had to like Not make it too easy for them to figure out, but I don't know. It did feel kind of dumb that it took them that long.
Speaker 4:And then they nerfed Godamon.
Speaker 1:You know what we were just talking about? How it's just weird how Godamon is actually champion level.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's like everyone thinks oh no, godamon's on the same level as Patamon. It's like no, godamon is on the same level as padamon. It's like no godamon is on the same level as angimon yeah, I'm like she's small and compact but she's supposed to pack a punch. That's why she was able to knock out all the digi destiny when we first met her. Because she's working.
Speaker 1:She naturally evolved to be able to stay in that state I'm like, look here, ever since neimon from Digimon Frontier, nothing surprised me anymore. But uh, okay, let's go ahead and get into the Black War Greymon arc. So essentially now the gang can digivolve normally now. And then they tried to recruit Ken into the gang but Ken was like nah, you know what. I don't feel like doing that right now. I need to repent for what I did. I just need time to myself and whatnot.
Speaker 2:You need a.
Speaker 1:Sasuke art Pretty much, pretty much, and Essentially they want him to join the team to fight against Arakini Mon who is reviving the control spires as Other Digimon. And when these control spires Digimon prove To be stronger than the Digidestined, they learn DNA Digivolution eventually to Wear Well X-Vemon Digidestined. They learned DNA Digivolution eventually to where X-Vemon and Stingmon combined and became Piedramon. I kind of like the design. By the way, it was like I'm kind of rocking it. It was like you like blasting with the machine guns. I was like, yeah, I was digging it.
Speaker 1:And I like how, with Black or Greymon, as soon as he was created by using like 100 controls, buyers combined into making this mega level Digimon. And BlackboardGreymon was like I take orders from no one, I do what I decide. And you know that Shadow the Hedgehog type of vibe was like I'm sorry, you don't have enough gym badges to tell me what to do. So he just ran off and tried to do his own thing. But the weird thing is like, even though he does fight the DigiDestined, but at the same time you have like this heart-to-heart with them too. It's like kind of like Mewtwo, where he just wants to understand the meaning of life and shit, and I'm like I kind of feel for this character, even though he's kind of the bad guy, so it was kind of weird in that aspect, but I kind of like him.
Speaker 1:It's like, yeah, he's just a product of his mother's agenda. You know, are we kidding mommy? Mom being like Bonnie and Clyde type situation going on and essentially Black War. Greymon's goal was to try to destroy each of the destiny stones, hoping to fight this blue Shinlong dragon like Digimon called Azulomon. And when Black Warframe bleeds and blah, blah, azulonmon tries to warn Digidestin about this impending threat behind Arukenimon and Mummimon. But I'm just going to put a stop right there. Let's start with Leah. You got any feedback on this section of Adventure 2?
Speaker 4:Not really, honestly. We are starting to get into the territory of my memories. Are hit or miss on the series from here.
Speaker 1:Nah, I got like see, that's the thing. It's like Adventure 2 sadly just feels a little lackluster in some areas where it just Felt like, okay, I definitely Remember the Digimon Emperor Shit. I definitely remember Blackboard Greymon Oikawa. I kinda had to like, uh, who's that again? And then turns out, oh, he's the dude that was being controlled by Malo Myodosmon, who I definitely remember At the end of Adventure 2. So it was like I definitely have to go back and like Like I kind of remember Arocommon and Mami-Mam's dynamic.
Speaker 4:I remember it being really entertaining, but that's as far as I get from remembering them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's almost like it didn't have very good replayability in, in my opinion at least, with Tamers and Frontiers you can kind of go back and be like, ok, I'm still kind of digging this season here.
Speaker 4:That I just didn't really have access to watch the show during those times.
Speaker 1:OK, fair enough. Pre-internet uh, cool guys, you got anything to add on?
Speaker 2:okay, I'll be very simple into it then. So in this aspect, hold on, let me switch this. Okay, y'all can still hear me, fine. Yeah, I had to make a quick change. My bad um. So in this particular one, this was the weakest segment in digimon 2. This is where it became more apparent and one of the things that I had mentioned earlier, where it was like it felt like something was definitely missing. By this point. We knew what it was, so we already knew at this point. Yeah, ken was the next dizzy destiny that we really needed, but it's also one of those ones that we had one of the best villains, in my opinion, for the hope for the series for digimon period. We had one of the best digimon um villains because, like you mentioned, black or graymon, he was created for just absolute, total destruction. That was his main purpose in life and it was one of those ones that he knew he was like. I was created for minus destruction, but I am not a minus B.
Speaker 1:Can I interject and say you know what this reminds me? Last installment I recommended Digimon, cyber Sleuth, hacker's Memory. As far as the type of Digimon Like, there's virus types, vaccine types and data type Digimon. This time I want to recommend Digimon Rumble Arena, because I definitely remember playing with the boys how I was like Black or Greymon or WarGreymon and we'd be like Terror Destroyer or Terror Force and just keep on fighting each other and shit. It was like a really fun game. If they make like a sequel or like a HD port or something like that, I would definitely play that again. I think they're trying to work on something like that in Japan to where it's like Super Rumble Arena or something like that. I hope it comes into America. I will play a Digimon fighting game for real.
Speaker 4:I actually remember playing that too. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I just had this Digimon adventure game. I can't remember what its subtitle was, but all I remember is if you stepped one foot out of line on evolving your Digimon, it turned into Digimon Every time. Every freaking time.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to remember that too. I know it's not like, oh, it would be on Cyber Sleuth, because sometimes if you don't know what that Digimon could turn into, and then you're like, okay, let's use these resources to make it Digivolve into that. And you're like, okay, let's use these resources to make it Digivolve into that. And you're like, wait, I didn't want this.
Speaker 3:I gotta.
Speaker 1:Devolve them like Devolve damn it, go back back.
Speaker 4:I don't know if it was a glitch in the game we were playing, but it's like any Digimon, you had had the opportunity becoming shitmon and like if your digimon crapped outside instead of a bathroom once it evolved into a shitmon. It's like why? Like every time, I once got up to a, a gabumon and then it evolved into a shitmon.
Speaker 4:It's like fuck damn yeah, I don't know what was wrong with that game, but it was. It was hilarious, it was fun, but it was also I'm gonna get a shit mom anytime uh, you know what this reminds me of tanara.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna be honest with you. The way digivolving works in this um franchise is way different from pokemon. To where it's like it's not linear, it's more like it's so well, I know pokemon try to do it with uh evs where it's like it depends on like conditional, like some pokemon, their evolution is conditional. But they didn't really start doing that until digimon started doing that. To where?
Speaker 1:With digimon it was like oh well, like depending on the circumstances, like with Greymon, to where, if you try to make Greymon Digivolve with like a sense of obsession or whatnot, he just ended up becoming Skull Greymon, like this darker version of what could have been Metal Greymon. Yeah, it's like conditional and whatnot. It gets crazy. And now we're talking about DNA digivolving to where they can combine together to become this different Digimon and that was like the main gimmick for Adventure 2. But I feel like with Tamers and frontiers they try to go different. Uh, I know, with tamers it was like the pokemon yugioh type thing going on, and then frontiers they were like we can become the digimon okay, yeah, that was one thing that I did.
Speaker 3:You know from the ones that I have seen. It's like, yeah, I know they can. They can evolve, uh, digivolve forward and then also back to their like original version and stuff, um, but I didn't know about the combining and stuff. But, yeah, no, I, I knew they, they're different from pokemon and that they can, you know, evolve forward backwards whichever way, and that also sideways. You know how the treatment and whatnot will also depend.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, like technically, a lot of them have this like pseudo linear uh form of evolution. But yeah, depending on how you treat them, it's like their data gets corrupted so they become a virus type, and then there's a handful that are naturally vaccine types. Slash can naturally evolve into vaccine types like katamon. Huh cool, katamon is a data but he, his natural evolution chain is into a vaccine. Nice same with katamon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of crazy. So that's why I would say definitely play Cyber Sleuth, hacker's Memory, to get an idea of how Digivolution works. And I would say, if you just want to have fun, just play Rumble Arena. If you have an emulator or some console that happens to play it, okay. So continuing on with the third of four parts of this arc Could I finish? Oh, my bad, my bad, what's?
Speaker 2:up. No, you're good, I was trying to make sure to let y'all go. So I was mentioning in the fact that you know, as far as this villain was one of the best written villains, in the fact that we get a development, even for just the short period of time that he's present, we get a development for him, and the fact that it was like he was originally supposed to be like this way, but then he winds up like becoming because it became self-aware. He wasn't just a mindless being because it was so many dark towers that was used to create him. He wound up becoming his own dark entity of himself, getting an understanding of who he was.
Speaker 2:But this was one of the ones where it felt. It felt like it fell off for me just a little bit, in the fact that it was uh, you know how you always say you're the best way to write a protagonist is through your antagonist. Yeah, and it's also the same vice versa. We had a great antagonist, but our digi destin was like it wasn't even one of those ones like, oh, they're not up to par as far as strength wise. They don't have to be up to par, strength wise, you know, they have to go through their own leveling up and getting stronger in order to get to that point.
Speaker 2:This one was just more of is just, we get a well-written mature maturity growth of a character and the only other character that meets somewhat of that growth, that's getting to that point, is ken. But ken is not present because he refuses to be present, because he has to go through his own little growth stage before he finally decides to come back per se. So it was one of those ones is like great, we got introduced to this villain, we get to see this growth of this villain, but we don't. It doesn't feel like we have a proper protagonist or protagonistic group to really face this villain. So how are we going to get there? And it's kind of like how we're going to see how that happens.
Speaker 1:That's my finish up onto that little segment. So my bad, go ahead, move on, gotcha. So it is christmas time and the control spires are now appearing on the human world, bringing digimon with them and the digi destin they are setting up to in Imperial Mon another great design that I like to destroy these control spires with the help of the international DigiDestined, like how Kogigasu and Leo were saying, how everybody's DigiDestined now. Now they're just going around the world trying to blow up all the control spires. With the help of the International Digidestined, ari Kiniman and Mummymon begin to try to kidnap several children. For Oikawa, who is a friend of Cody's father, who dreams of entering the digital world.
Speaker 1:But once the Digidestined return to Japan. But once the digital destined returns to Japan, they fight the Daemon corpse and their leader, daemon, while Oikawa used these dark spores to inside Ken to implant them into the children. So Daemon imprisoned in the dark ocean Blackboard. Grandma sacrifices himself, seals the imprisoned in the Dark Ocean Black War. Grandma sacrifices himself, steals the portal into the Digi World as the terrorist, the high-ten view terrorist, before Oikawa and the kids were able to transport there.
Speaker 1:And then, once the Digi Desert, are transported to a dream world where Oikawa and the kids and it was like weird too. It was like this world where it's like it felt like a kids. It felt like if you were like stepping into like a pre-k and you're just dropping the kids off and they don't have like those toys and shit, like that's what it kind of felt like. And he learned he was controlled by Myotismon, and Myotismon splits from Oikawa and used the energy from the Dark Spore to be reborn as Malo Myotismon and with the help of the Digidestined all over the world, the Digidestined defeat Malo Myotismon. Oikawa sacrificed himself to rebuild the digital world, but not before he was able to meet his um digimon partner. But he, you know, kind of faded into the ether to kind of he's a part of the digital world from now. You know that kind of symbolism going on and then 25 years later, the humans and the digimon is living together. That's about it. But uh, y'all got anything to add on to all that?
Speaker 4:I think one of the more interesting aspects of this arc was, uh, outside of watching movies or doing anything outside, like I rambled there for a minute if you were only watching the series itself, this was the first time you were introduced to the idea of digidescent outside of japan, which was like oh, that's interesting to learn that every country ended up with their own set of digidescents, because this was before everybody, everybody. So it was just like oh, there's random teams all over the world, which also implies that the digital world is way bigger than we thought initially.
Speaker 1:You know, and that aspect kind of reminded me of Kids, kids next door to where you just thought okay, it's just these five kids that, um, pretty much like acting like, um, freedom fighters for kids everywhere. But it turns out that it's not only international but on a galactic scale too funny if you ever do a review.
Speaker 2:Codename Kids Next Door. That actually was a later writing development because they didn't actually expect it to become as popular as it did. Cartoon Network approved the writing of the show but they didn't think it was going to be super popular enough to create a major storyline. So that introduction does happen later on in Season 1, most of the beginning of Season 2, and that was only because of how popular the show apparently was becoming. So that's just a little fun fact, my bad.
Speaker 1:No, it's all good and that's fair, because you know, you can even tell with the pilot episodes and shit, where they didn't really expect Kids Next Door to pop off the way that it does, but the way that it appealed to kids, I'm like hell, hell, yeah, this is gonna pop off like I want you to understand.
Speaker 2:My first introduction to adult swim was specifically because of the fact I was watching code code name kids. There was the last episode on cartoon network for that day and it was they introduced and it was introducing adult swim at the time.
Speaker 2:So it was taking a break so literally the pilot episode of code name kids next door played. It was my first time watching it, so I watched it. And that episode, go figure, is titled adult swim. So it was literally about these kids wanting to go into the pool getting a chance to get into the pool for adults only. And after that episode ended all of a sudden, is when the first opening for Adult Swim popped up. So my kid brain's thinking, oh, this show's not over yet. This is like a special elongated pilot episode. And then got introduced to Robot Chicken, but still, oh, that is funny Like that is funny.
Speaker 4:It's brilliant advertising, at the same time terrible.
Speaker 2:It was the best thing, best, worst thing that ever happened to my little brain. But somebody was trying to say something. I apologize, I was just mentioning because you made the mention of coding and kids at the door. But going back, um, like we just saying how, um there was like kids everywhere that has dvbices now and then I
Speaker 4:also find the team that we, the audience, are introduced through, are like the only ones who don't know that. There's all these kids across the world like you guys never made like an online chat or something, and like they know each other and like, oh, they're spanish digi dozens and they know them.
Speaker 1:It's like it's only the japanese kids who had no clue but now keep in mind that internet culture was just catching on back in that time. It's where like digimon was made in like the 90s, maybe early 80s, because, uh, I know it was like introduced to us in the 90s so it had to be made like a little bit sooner than that to be introduced to the states. So it was like internet culture was just catching on at the time. So they probably wouldn't have thought of that.
Speaker 4:Well, I still find it funny though, because it's like wait, there's international digi-destins Like yeah, you don't know, like no, no, oh sorry.
Speaker 1:I didn't know, Like I can't just Google.
Speaker 4:I just love that. I can't just Google. I just love that.
Speaker 2:That's how these other kids are introduced, and again, where's women?
Speaker 4:Going on adventures too, this whole time.
Speaker 2:You didn't know. I'm pretty sure those are kids For some reason.
Speaker 1:Don't you think the whole point of Digimon is to like that escapism into the internet To where it's like you just spend your days just playing games and whatnot, like Farmville type shit?
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2:But anybody else have something to add on yeah, I still want to know where my Digivice is at.
Speaker 1:I mean hold on, I can try to 3D print Digivice I'm already working with you on the Dice Tower.
Speaker 2:We're going to figure it out.
Speaker 4:I remember for a while they had those Tamagotchi Digimon devices.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it doesn't count. Mine glitched, mine glitched and my pet died. I'm upset.
Speaker 2:Okay, I forgot about Tomogachi Until, like the movie, red Turning Red came out and at the very end I'm not going to spoil it, but at the very end the Tomogachi becomes like an important thing and I want you to understand. I forgot all about it until that moment and then I remembered when mine glitched and my thing died and never came back. I'm still upset to this day. My mom paid $15 for it Because it was brand new. I want my money back. Did you know you could reboot those things? Say what.
Speaker 4:Did you know you could reboot a Tamagotchi? Because, like up until I became an adult, I did not know you could reboot those things. I thought once it died, okay, now it's a hunk of junk.
Speaker 2:I know you could reset it, but mine wouldn't. It was just some type of battery issue apparently. I was very upset oh, that's fine, it was just inside of a warrant out of return policy warranty. I'm so mad it was like dead, dead. I want my Digivice, it's in.
Speaker 4:I want my.
Speaker 2:Digivice, but um in the closet with the Furbies, don't awaken them. Dark memories, no, furbies no.
Speaker 4:I can't help it.
Speaker 2:Furbies are coming back and I don't like it my daughter has one and it scares the shit out of me. At least it.
Speaker 4:Finally made them cuter you should understand.
Speaker 2:They did make it nice, they did make it look cuter, but it also only responds to her voice. So if it's talking, it keeps talking until she's the one who shuts it up. So if it's after 8, o'clock. It's freaky, it's very freaky. And then this is the worst part about it the one that she has Can dance and walk. Oh Little feet, make it move.
Speaker 4:We're going to start hearing evil voices in closets again, aren't we? Just midnight screaming.
Speaker 3:I had a little story to share with Leah a while back, and she already knew this, but I had no idea that apparently Furbies are actually banned from the Pentagon, because if it's top secret then it's like oh fuck, I feel like.
Speaker 1:I heard that before, but I don't know why I know that.
Speaker 2:That's a random information.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yay, but Furbies mimic stuff they see and hear, so you can't take them into top priority areas.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's like I was like there's no fucking way. And I looked it up and it's like yeah, no, since I want to say it was like 99 or 90, since the 90s, Like it's not a new thing, it's been that way apparently. Oh, my god imagine having a Furby.
Speaker 4:Imagine having a Furby that was in the Pentagon before they were banned, and then you just hear from your closet, like 30 years later, something about JFK or something.
Speaker 2:Oh, lord like new level creepy a little robotic parent not happy. Nope, it always aggravated the fact that it talks, but now they move too and I can't do it no more, done I?
Speaker 1:track you yeah what's the other furry thing that people like?
Speaker 2:um, yeah, those no is that what it is, but you know those furry thing that people like Don't say gremlins yeah, those Is that what it is.
Speaker 1:But you know those things where you're not supposed to feed them at midnight or some shit like that that's a gremlin. Yeah, gremlins.
Speaker 4:Or mogwai.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was thinking mogwais.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they turn into gremlins, but the movie's Gremlins the movie's Gremlins because there's three or four of them. I think there's more than that. Actually, I don't remember.
Speaker 4:There's more Gremlin movies.
Speaker 2:I know about the first two, but no, no, they made another one, like Gremlins on Vacation, which is like the third movie. Oh Lord, yeah, yeah it was it got horrible reviews.
Speaker 4:For some reason they still kept it going um. Does gremlins count?
Speaker 2:as a halloween or a christmas movie. Hello, oh, the ones on vacation counts as a christmas movie, like home alone I'm talking about the original because it happens during christmas time and stuff oh, I'm gonna count that as a christmas movie if there's a christmas segment in it and the christmas segment lasts longer than just a brief like this was just a day it happened. If something majorly happens on Christmas Day, it's a Christmas movie to me. At that point. That's just what it is.
Speaker 1:Dude. That's why we say that Spider-Man counts as a Thanksgiving movie.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 4:You watch Die Hard on Christmas, don't you?
Speaker 2:Yes, we do.
Speaker 4:Moving on.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm going to watch Hawkeye during Christmas too, oh lord.
Speaker 2:But anyway, I don't really have too much into this particular segment because I mean, obviously finally getting Malamayo's mom was pretty cool, so we finally get a transitional more. This one was more of a thinking about it as a kid. I was kind of confused and even as you recapped it it a kid I was kind of confused and even as you recapped it it made sense why I was confused, cause I was like oh, okay, this is more of a story explanation leading up to what's going to happen next. Otherwise there wasn't much specifically as far as like, oh, a little kid, little boy who wanted to really watch some action shit, I wasn't really watching it that much for this little segment. So these couple episodes were much of a blur to me and once you kind of recap it I'm like, okay, now I remember why they're a blur, because it was nothing there to really keep my attention.
Speaker 1:But if it was for a much, for a much older audience and I was actually had the mindset of actually wanting to watch it for the story more probably would have remembered it better and probably would have had like and you know what appreciation from malamayotismon and you know what, uh, malamayotismon honestly feel like a reskin of the apoclymon art to where, okay, yeah, you're going up against this mega level digimon threat, but at the same time, it's like it just felt like such a hopeless situation that the kids were starting to lose hope and all that, except Davis. He was like, nah, we can do it, guys. You remember Power of friendship, all the other nice shit. They eventually found a female in my last month. I feel like that feels like a reskin of something they already did in Adventure 1, though Very true.
Speaker 2:Plus, I will also mention the biggest impact is the fact that they technically did lose, like the digital world was destroyed and had to be remade. So it reminds me of that one moment. What I think I know I've mentioned it before in a previous review, way before when we was doing um, yeah, I think it was doing like the benton stream at the time and I had mentioned as far as the fact that the whole segment with Alien X, where eventually Ben actually lost, that episode is marked, as for a lot of fans, as one of the darkest episodes, because he lost, the entire universe was destroyed and he didn't necessarily bring it back, he recreated it from his memory. So in technicality, the entire universe died. They accomplished even what Thanos could not do. Thanos only snapped off half of the universe, which I'm going based on comic book, not the movie. The movie, that was his point, was to do just half, but in the comic books he actually was going to wipe out more than half, but then he just settled for just half to try to please death and shit like that. But um, that was pretty much all that he was able to accomplish was just getting half destroyed. And they know.
Speaker 2:But in Ben 10, they did this where it's like Nope, we were managed to to completely eradicate the entire universe. So we kind of have a this, so we kind of have a. This was so. This was obviously before Ben 10, before this exit episode of Ben 10 as well too, but it was like a big impact of like they lost they. They actually lost every. Everyone was deleted. Like even in the movie, almost everything got deleted. It was almost about to lose it all and then managed to not lose it all.
Speaker 1:But I mean, even though they kind of did it a little bit, it was almost like he was about to lose it all and then managed to not lose it all. I mean, even though they kind of did it a little bit more times. But can we also say that Dragon Ball pretty much did this too, okay, with the Majin Buu saga, like Majin Buu killed everybody. That definitely happened. So they did kind of lose, but you know they did have to bring everyone back with the dragon ball, blah, blah. But then the main example I wanted to use was when frieza came back and, uh, resurrection of f and frieza blew up the entire earth and we had to like reset the earth and like try again and it's like, so did that count as a loss technically, even though that he had to reset everything?
Speaker 2:I won't put it in that aspect for two reasons. When it comes down for dragon ball, aside from the fact that the dragon balls make death a very fucked up, I'm not even fucked like a very it makes a non-consequential it pretty much.
Speaker 2:But aside from that, both those cases that you mentioned, for one, the dragon balls were able to Resurrect everyone, which means the same People came back. Those were the Same lives, the same exact People. And when Majabu destroyed it, when Frieza destroyed it, wiz rewound time so as if it never happened. So that is actually Erasing themselves. He rewound time so as if it never happened. So that is actually Erasing himself. He rewound time so technically it never happened. Technically he Broke the timeline, which is something that was also Illegal for angels, and I'm surprised that he never Suffered a consequence. But that's a discussion for Another time.
Speaker 1:Or maybe there might be Repercussions later. I mean, let's be honest, with the whole Black Freeza saga, we don't know what's going on. As far as we know, we're just wrapping up the superhero arc on the manga. Depending on what they do about the Black Freeza saga, anything can happen at this point. That's just a weird part too, because I kind of wish they had this one uh fan made manga thing going on called dragon ball kakume. That was on youtube check it out if you will and they had like this whole thing going on with like um other universes was being revived, like um god, gods of destruction and angels from the leader universe was coming back and a whole bunch of shit and Frieza turned out to be a new god of destruction of a different universe and a whole whole bunch of things in itself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's really cool to check out. I know we had mentioned it briefly before, but it's really cool. So those particular segments I can't say in the aspect because it's the same people's lives for this one as far as like for this and with ben 10 everything was deleted and recreated. So in a recreation is not the same people. That means the original died and these are just copies.
Speaker 2:You could even go so far as to say in um there was a spider-man, there's a um, the superior spider-man comic book series, where dr octavius succeeded in killing peter parker. And he did kill peter parker. What he did was he transferred his consciousness and peter's consciousness and swapped their bodies and left his body dying and Peter wound up dying in Dr Octavius's body before he was able to switch his consciousness back. But what Dr Octavius winds up doing after a while of being Spider-Man, going to different universes, and he was like shit. I thought I could be a better Spider-Man, but in actuality, no, peter Parker was the best Spider-Man that he could be. He was a much better Spider-Man than I ever could be and he realized he was wrong.
Speaker 2:So what he did was he wound up giving his body back to Peter, but then people, when they like, really analyzed it. They're like, technically Peter died he. What he did was he used his technology and created a Peter Parker mindset based on his memories and all his fights that he had with Peter, and he gave the body to pretty much, to an AI. So it's an alternate Peter Parker that was fabricated and created from Dr Octavius's memories and not the real Peter Peter Parker in that universe died and even though this person goes and calls himself Peter Parker, he was not the original Peter Parker. He's a completely different person. So it's like it's still kind of in those little aspects when the original person dies and they're given to technically a different soul or a different mind per se, even if they may retain those memories Of the previous person, the previous person still died. Technically, you still lost, at least for me, that's how I consider that aspect.
Speaker 1:Okay, I can see that. Yeah, leah Tanara, you had anything else you want to add on to all this Before we close it out?
Speaker 4:I just want to bring up Blizzard One, one more time, because it's like when they rebooted the digital world. Do you think this data found its way back?
Speaker 2:With the recreation it didn't have.
Speaker 4:actually, Because this is one thing too. Something to forget is like. I understand what you're saying by like oh, it's a recreation of the original, but with this, a caveat is that this is the digital world. When you reboot your computer, it's still the same data technically and like. That's how Digimon have worked from Generation 1. They die, but then they're like reincarnated or reborn and get their memories back as they get older. In essence, so it's like with the re, like full reboot of the digital world, with wizard mon having died and earth do you think it found its way back?
Speaker 2:I would say yes, and I know, and my only reason that I could back that up is digimon try, which I know we haven't gotten to in to that far in reviewing yet because it takes place significantly further on. There is we do get to briefly see Wizardmon and Leomon in Digimon Tri. So in that particular regards, and considering the fact that those are continuations of Digimon 1 and 2, the first two series, that would be my supporting of the fact that, yes, his data did go back.
Speaker 4:And you do say that's our Wizardmon and not just another one, because we know there are multiples of the Digimon that exist.
Speaker 2:This is true, but when it comes down for Wizardmon, I don't think we're going to see too many of him. He was a very, very special case. Like even throughout seeing him in the first season, we got a chance to see other different, like we saw different types of agamins and there was like distinctive ways of being different, differentiations into them. This one was one, if I'm correct. I'm trying to remember which tribe movie it was, because good lord is six of them, so I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 4:And also Digimon.
Speaker 1:Drywall. The Adventure 2 gang is having their own movie now.
Speaker 2:Right, he remembered Kairi, but Kairi remembered him.
Speaker 4:Sorry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, come on God damn it.
Speaker 4:Okay, I'm happy. I'm happy, wizardmon survived.
Speaker 2:But yeah, he interacted with Kari. So that would be my way of saying yeah, it would be the same Wizardmon. I just have to remember which movie it was.
Speaker 4:I just wanted to hear your guys Thoughts on that, because there's a lot of like Fan theories. I'm not that active in the Digimon Fandom but I've heard a lot of theories About what happened with Lizardmon.
Speaker 2:Gotcha.
Speaker 1:Nora, you got anything you want to add on to all this.
Speaker 3:No, I've just been having fun listening and learning more about it.
Speaker 4:So yeah, no not really, we'll watch more when we're both back in Idaho. Yeah, all right, we'll watch more when we're both back in Idaho.
Speaker 1:Yeah, alright.
Speaker 2:That's all I'm gonna say. I will make sure I'm back To research Kokugatsu Next month, so I probably won't be Malnourished in information on this one.
Speaker 1:Nah, to be fair, there was like not a whole lot to say About Adventure 2, to be honest. It's one of those, be fair, it's like there was like a Not a whole lot to say about Adventure 2, to be honest. It's one of those things when I'm like nah, like See once we get to Tamers. Oh, now we're talking.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna be honest with you and I'm just gonna be honest. I know this isn't an after dark, so I'm not gonna say too much into it, but one of my Twitters there's a person that I follow that has a fanfic of Rhythmon.
Speaker 1:Oh no.
Speaker 2:Rhythmon is cool Outside of fandom oh no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely. I watch it frequently, I mean I read it frequently. It's got an ongoing series right now. Anyway, reddemond has inspired quite a lot. Just gonna be honest there. I'm ready for tamers. Come on.
Speaker 1:Alright, with. That being said, we're just going to wrap this up. The next installment of the Digimon Extreme Reveal will be Digimon Tamers, but we're going to talk about Takato, rika and Henry with their companions as they fight these digital adversaries and what not. And it's going to get dark, ladies and gentlemen, so buckle up for that. And until then, you know, stay nerdy. We're going to go ahead and zone out and, you know, just wait until we talk about Digimon in another time.