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Black Clover (Season 1): Magic Knights, Devils and How Rivals Can Still Be Family
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Black Clover has one of the simplest shonen setups out there, and that’s exactly why it’s such a great stress test for storytelling. Asta is born with no mana in a world run by magic, and he still charges at the Wizard King dream with pure stubborn effort and a five-leaf grimoire that flips the whole power system on its head. We talk about why that underdog foundation stays satisfying long after the “first arc energy” wears off, and how anti-magic turns every fight into a strategy problem instead of just bigger explosions.
We also dig into the part that surprised us the most: the rivalry. Asta and Yuno get compared to Naruto and Sasuke all the time, but the vibe is healthier and more believable. It feels like real brotherhood, real competition, and real growth, and that tone spreads into the squads around them. The Black Bulls land as a messy found family with stacked abilities, while the wider Magic Knights system gives the world a clear ladder of power, class, and reputation.
Then we get into what makes Black Clover stick: villains who feel made by the world, not randomly evil; arcs that connect instead of resetting; and payoffs that feel foreshadowed instead of shoved in at the last second. We trade favorite fights, talk voice acting standouts, and even hit the hot-button fandom stuff like Asta’s yelling, the mountain of opening themes, and where fan service crosses the line. If you’ve ever wondered “Is Black Clover worth watching,” or why it keeps winning people over, this conversation lays it out.
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Welcome And Meet The Panel
SPEAKER_06What up gang? It's the Zone Podcast back at it again with another review. This time, I can't believe we finally got around to do this, but we never did Black Clover. So fuck it. Let's go ahead and get into it. It's crazy. First of all, Hero, I'm glad you're on as a recurring member of the podcast. But we got two new voices. We got my friend Chris, and we also got my friend Choji. How y'all doing today?
SPEAKER_07Pretty good, man. You know, I heard about the last minute. I was like, Black Clover. Oh, yeah. Let's get into it.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, likewise, just chilling, man. You know, enjoying my off days. Ready to talk to man, man.
Black Clover Premise And Power System
SPEAKER_06All right, gentlemen. Without further ado, let's go ahead and zone in on it. So, Black Clover focusing on Asta, this orphan that was left to be raised in an orphanage in a uh backwoods village alongside his fellow orphan, you know. While everyone is born with this ability to utilize mana in a form of magical power, Asta was born without mana and thus had no way of using magic. Instead, he focuses on physical strength and also with you know, he was born as a prodigy with immense magical powers and the talent to control wind magic. But uh let's just say by the time we get into like the spade kingdom, there's like a reason for that. Motivated by a desire to become the next wizard king, an authority figure second to the king of the Clover Kingdom. These two boys are going to develop a very friendly rivalry. Uh, you know, wants to obtain, well, he does obtain this legendary four-leaf grimoire held by the kingdom's first wizard king, Lumier. And the four-leaf grimoire is a rare one. It's given to um the most immense mages. And meanwhile, Asta, despite having no magic at all, uh, got this five-week grimoire that contains some serious elf swords and this bodyless member of the double race who utilizes rare anti-magic. Uh by the way, before I forget, uh Asta's devil Liban. Anybody else thinking that he does he remind you or anybody? Like a certain VTuber on YouTube, like go by uh Nuxonora or Nuxaku, wherever I'm sorry, but uh he kind of reminded me now.
SPEAKER_07A little bit, I can see where you're coming from on that.
First Reactions And Shonen Comparisons
SPEAKER_06Yeah, but uh, where was I with this? Okay. Afterwards, you can also, you know, join up in Imagine Knight Squad. I also went with the Black Bulls, you know, went with the Golden Dawn, and a whole bunch of shenanigans happened up until shit got a real between the Diamond Kingdom, the Eye of the Midnight Sun, and of course the Spade Kingdom. So before we really get deep into it, let's go getting a big dog. Yeah. Uh before we really get into it, let's go around the room. Uh, let's go ahead and start with Chris. How are you feeling about Black World as a whole right now?
SPEAKER_08Uh I honestly it's one of the better new gens in my mind. Uh I I put it up there above things like Attack on Titan or even Jadutsu Kaisen, just because I I I like the story. It's kind of familiar to an extent with the you know the two 2000s shown in and all that. But um I one of the things that I like mostly about Black Clover is the fact that it's not like uh a heated, hated rivalry to an extent between the two main characters, Asta and Uno. Uh kind of like with you know Naruto and Tosque, they got that really love-hate relationship for a really long time, and it kind of wears thin to an extent for me. Uh, but I I really like the dynamic between Asta and Uno and his like never give up, basically. You know, you can you can do it if you want to. And you know, it's it's definitely something that's applicable to life.
SPEAKER_06So yeah, I feel that. You know what's crazy? I was thinking the whole time, like here's my thing. A lot of times I like to think of whenever I see an uh anime or whatnot, and I keep thinking this reminds me of a certain show. And I'm trying not to do too much injustice towards it because Black Clover is good enough to where I want it to be its own thing. But I'm sorry, but bro, bro, bro, it just kept screaming to me. Edgy fairy tale with hints of Naruto and a little bit of uh My Hero Academia. Just a little bit.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I can see it. I can I can I can agree on that, especially with how Asta is, since he's a younger kid, and uh you can get the the like young aspect from my hero and like how he's trying not to give up just exactly like Deku. But I like that Asta does it in a different way to where it's more of a not engaged thing, like no matter who you are, you can continue to keep doing it. You don't gotta prove it to nobody except yourself, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06Right. Now, the reason why I say it's kind of like edgy theory too, because let's be real, they kind of drive home the whole uh friendship, power of friendship. But black people don't do it that much. Like at the very least, it seems like, okay, at least they're units on their own, where it doesn't seem like, oh, they can't handle a fight on their own. Like, no, they got they got they just, you know, they just got that bomb where they kind of do that every now and then. But like at least at the very least, I kind of like how with the spells that they cast, it's kind of like fairy tale where it seems like there's all these different classes and all different styles of magic, but like Black Clover, they kinda go into a whole, I want to say a PG-13 uh type routes where it's like it gets darker and gets grittier. Bro, listen, listen. The Liz Queen with her blood magic, like yeah, exactly. I was thinking with the definitely with the blood magic, but uh the action, bro, I'm sorry, but fairy tale could never because like when they get active in Black Float, they get fucking active. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_07What happened to funeral with uh that entire uh exhibition?
SPEAKER_06I was gonna I was gonna um wait until later, but you know what my goal? That pull up though. That was my favorite scene in the whole series, like to this day. Definitely a really good scene. If my crew don't pull up for me like this, I don't want them. Yeah, that's how you pull up right there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was luck.
SPEAKER_00It was luck.
SPEAKER_06Uh, what was it? Oh, uh, okay. Another thing with this series where it's like, okay, I'm kind of glad that it doesn't necessarily go that route with the whole uh low triangle between uh Oscar. What do you mean? No, no, no, hold on. Stay with me. I'm glad it doesn't do that whole low triangle thing right there. But I it's fair to say that Oscar is a certified harem protagonist because the emotions of Rebecca.
SPEAKER_08It's like every ever, like what, two, three episodes? You don't even know how much shit he got. He just being himself.
SPEAKER_06I mean, that what they all tell us, just be yourself, man. Yeah, like honestly, crazy enough, I'm thinking like back then, I was so confused as hell when they mean by that. I mean, okay, I am being myself, but I honestly, but hey, hey, you know what? You know what? The right people, with the right people, you don't have to do all those hoops and hurls and all that shit. That's what they're really trying to say, is that the right people, they all like you for you, and you don't have to keep going through all those links just to uh prove yourself to them. So and hey, that's that's the that's the thing with Austin. See, Austin and the Black Bulls, it's like a fucking family. Like you can actually feel that where it's like uh see, yeah, they be having feeling, but the feeling is actually good in this series. Yeah. At the very least, you want to kind of wanna have a relationship with the characters, otherwise, you're not gonna feel nothing for them. If, like, say, for instance, they get slimed out later on, like uh, what what went down in the whole spade kingdom bullshit? Like, what if a whole bunch of them got splimed out? And I'm like, well, I don't care for these characters, like I don't have any attachment to them. Like, but man, uh, where was uh uh okay? It kind of feels like Naruto in a way because hear me out. You mean tell me that they get they do the exam, they they become wizards, or you know, in the Naruto universe, they become ninjas, right? They wouldn't mean as far as this flow, right? They just become wizards. Next thing you know, they go out into this mission where it seems like, oh, they go on board hunting, like something simple, right? Next thing you know, you come to find out, it becomes a bigger deal than they expected. Next thing you know, they're getting wrapped up in some bullshit that's going down with the Diamond Kingdom, this rival kingdom, and they gotta fight some really strong guys. And right after that, next thing you know, you have your whole tournament arc, the exhibition, so to speak. And I'm like thinking, okay, hold on. This starting to feel like land a ways, followed by tuning exams. And I'm like, bro, what is it?
SPEAKER_07Right? Think about how they got the powers, right? Sasuke, he was already talented with uh jutsu and stuff like that. Luck is already really talented with I mean, not look, uh what's his name? I can't think about it. You know, you know, you know, you know's very talented with mana. You know his name. I know his name, yeah. All right, and then you got Asta, who's not the not the best at Mana at all, complete zero, but he gets his power from a devil, which is you know, direct parallel to Karuma. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_07I I I do they do have a lot of comments.
SPEAKER_08But also, you have to realize is like Kishimoto was writing Naruto in the early 2000s. Black Clover came out in what the late 2010s. Yeah, there's no way that I don't remember the mangaka's name for Black Clover, but there's no way that Kishimoto wasn't some kind of an influence or inspiration. That was probably the literal manga he was reading as a kid. It was one I was reading as a kid. So I could imagine.
SPEAKER_06And that's the thing. Like, if the mangaka straight up come out and say, hey, yo, my work is kind of inspired by Naruto. Hey, you know what? I'm not gonna hold you because remember, like Star Wars, Star Wars was based on some old ass Japanese quicks. So you gotta think some of the heaviest hits out there. Everything has some kind of inspiration. Absolutely. Yeah. So that's why I'm not really picking on when I say Black Clover is like an edgy fairy tale, uh kind of mixed with Naruto a little bit. I'm not really saying that, but I'm like, you can kind of tell like those same kind of themes where it's like, hey, the way I see it, stick with what works. What works in Naruto, you can tell it's gonna bleed into other shit. Like what works in Dragon Ball, what works in Bleach, what works in One Piece, it's gonna bleed into other works. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_08Shonen has a method. You know, they've been having the same kind of not same stories, but like majority of the the shonen manga that have come out over the last 20 plus years have been for the most part battle shonen. You know, that that's what the battle manga is, what the story is based around, is power-ups and and you know, some kind of like there's there's like with Naruto, he's the prodigal child, even though he doesn't know it. Like he's Minato's son, but you don't learn that till way further down the line. And then the same with Asta, how he's got the anti-devil or anti-magic devil, and that negates everything for the most part, and no one knows who he is until way further down the line. What close to close to the end of the animated episodes you learn about Lebe and everything? Right. There's references, but the direct like revelation and when he gets control of them and all that, like that's towards the end of what's been animated. Right.
SPEAKER_06And um was it all you had on your bracing on Glink Over.
SPEAKER_08Um yeah, yeah, I think that about narrows where I'm at with it, honestly. It's just genuinely good, but like like you said, the stories echo. There's there's a pattern, and it's gonna keep coming out, you know. Stuff like Kagarabachi. Like bleach influences so much. You can see it in Demon Slayer, you can see it in other manga, other shown that are out. It's it's everywhere. Hell yeah. So Black Lover will be an influence for somebody, you know.
Why The Rivalry Feels Healthier
SPEAKER_06And my whole thing is the only time I would say, oh, it's just a blah blah blah clone, is if you're clearly a clone, but you're not really doing anything to be the allegation, so to speak. Absolutely. Yeah. And with that being said, let's go ahead and turn it over to Joey. Uh, how are you feeling about Black Clover as a whole right now?
SPEAKER_07Cool thing is about the show, I I dropped it in middle school because I didn't understand it. You know, it it I like that it's it takes a certain level of like understanding to fully get how the show works. And when I picked it back up, it just caught on so fast. Like it was it it sank his teeth into me, you know, you know what I mean? Right. It caught me with the good animation, great fight scenes, great voice acting, specifically from Chris Saban with Yami and Sanepool. Oh yeah, dude, you can't go wrong with Chris Saban.
SPEAKER_06Iconic voice iconic voice. Real quick. I'm kinda I'm hoping that Professor Tub jumps on, but he got things to do, but if he doesn't jump on, that's important. But point being is that Christopher Sabat, that's Professor Tuff's boy as far as all my from my hero. When I heard that voice from Yami, I'm like, wait, hold on. That's not familiar. But uh now you know who who my boy is as far as like voice acting? Uh Patrick Sykes. Uh he did Dio from Jojo's and it was such a distinctive voice that as soon as you hear it from him, like um Dante from uh when we get to the Spade King, as soon as I heard that voice, I was like, hold on, you sound real and it picks the characters so well, just the random allies. Yes, like seeing it. What I like about Patrick, what I like about Patrick was uh his voice, he got bass, but it's like uh it got like an aristocratic air to it.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, like oh he's he's he's a royal ass.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I don't know if I'm gonna be like, he's evil, but he's also you can tell that he's also like a you got he rolling money kind of way. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, but uh like the the villains, I like them. They're good, they're aggressive, they have a story. They, you know, like they that's one thing I like about it, because the the the villains aren't just oh yeah, bad guys. Yeah, we should probably take those down. No, they're like these are bad guys because they were turned bad, not because they were born bad, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06Okay, hold on. You I stop right there because there's two things that I need to touch on. First of all, another reason why I say it kind of reminds me of Naruto is that the whole talk no ju thing to where you know how Naruto like to like, hey yo, like we nothing so different, you or not. Like maybe you need to uh drop this shit and be like, hey, yo, and all that is gonna be like throw heads while talking.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Oh man. But also, it's so a hero, Hira, hear me out. Didn't we just do my hero academia where we talked about uh characters like Toga and Shinzo to where they had villainous quirks, but if things were different, maybe things would have been different. Okay, so with Shinzo, he you know the Mike's case. Yeah, okay, yeah. See, if he didn't have that support system like he saw in season two and whatnot, he could have turned out a villain versus Toga. Versus Toga, she got treated like a villain from jump, but if she did have that support system, she wouldn't have become a villain in the first place. Really?
SPEAKER_08No, I mean, come on, like well, I I will preface that with I have not finished my hero yet. Me and I guess my old lady. You're good, you're good. I've I've kind of been spoiled on most of everything, but like I don't want to sit down and physically still watch it. Um just because it is really good. Uh, but I don't know. That's interesting.
SPEAKER_06No, that's that's kind of how I saw it because um, when you get like to her backstory, it may come down to okay, uh why are you smiling like that? Well, what did you just do? All that other shit, like basically just had a whole bunch of people treating her like a monster. So it's just like fuck it. If people don't treat me like a monster, I might as well become a monster. But that's the thing. And if that didn't happen, she could have been a hero. Like, oh man, I'm sorry, but like they do something like when she has her big final fight with Raka, like they had this whole moment, all that shit to where, like, you'll see when you get there, but like then you'll be like, okay, if things were different, maybe she could have been that. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. That's all I'm saying to where, like, it's crazy that like you said, Joji, where like these villains, they weren't born, they were made like that. So if things were different, maybe they could have been on the right side of things. But oh, absolutely. That's why that's why I'm saying that there's just certain things that just work.
Villains Made Not Born
SPEAKER_07You can see it with Hades, the the revival dude. Like, he he has a like that to them in that society, a necromancing power, you know, that's blasphemy to them. You know, you know. But he uses it for good in the uh in the in the fight of uh you know the whole castle. I don't want to spoil that yet, so I'll just vaguely touch upon that. I got it. So, you know, and I think it carried the Black Clover carries the characters really well to where you can feel behind what they're doing, you can see the motives, but you can clearly tell morally that's wrong. But then to them, those morals aren't wrong at all. That's justification for what they had done to them. And you could you could relate to some of these characters, you know. They they go through crazy ass lives, and then you know, you you see where you know uh uh somebody could break, but they do that same thing with the heroes too, you know. Actually, you know what? Nana, you're on that.
SPEAKER_06Let's go and talk about um the L's and the whole uh Midnight Sun and shit. Because, like, hey, yo, like, okay, first of all, we we were dying for some backstory on what went down between that demon and the first wizard king. You know how they do it with uh the old. I got tired of it after a while. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, I kind of I was kind of glad they kind of went past that once they got to like the spade kingdom and shit. Okay, like I kind of give the consistency. Cool, cool, cool, but now we're way past that point. Are you still gonna use the thing? Yeah, uh, but no, no, no, for real. It's crazy how like in Isaac Fashion, that one devil, Zagri, set up the humans and the L to attack each other. Almost like some Amy Yasha type shit. You where you know, uh, yeah, he's a devil. Yeah. Just send people up just um for the hell of it, like, yeah, fight each other.
SPEAKER_08But you know, usually most in most anime or manga, when like uh a devil or like a uh what are they called? The Shikigami, right? The the like death gods and stuff, whenever they're like introduced, especially in like Death Note, they live their own rules in like people who are plaything. Like that's in most any iteration throughout all manga or anime that I've read or seen. Uh so it just uh it it makes sense in my mind that like. There was something in the end manipulating, and it's way worse than anyone thought it was. It's like kind of like Naruto. So bring it back to that, kind of like, you know, how Kaggy was the hand behind every string, you know, pulling every other string.
SPEAKER_06But my main thing though, like, see, this is why I say with Black Clover, I'll give it flowers where at least it didn't feel it came out of nowhere to where you are. Okay, yes. That's what I love about Black Clover. The way they set up everything from the beginning to where, like, okay, it started off like introductory, okay, whatever, right? But the way they kind of uh made everything connected to each other versus arcs and other anime where they could be like completely disconnected from each other, they don't have to anything do each other. But no, in black flower, everything that happened after each other was because of what happened before that. Yep, absolutely. But I like how they did that like 30, 40, 50 episodes in versus uh the very end. Because with Kaguya and Naruto, I was sitting there like, hey, yo, like y'all, where did y'all fucking come from? Who the fuck is this? Where was the foreshadowing to this?
SPEAKER_08Because it it felt so rushed and just pushed in in Naruto specifically, just because, like you said, there was no buildup to it. It was a war to stop the Akotsky at first, and and then that transitioned into we have to stop Obito. And then Modara reanimated, and then just became just like a clusterfuck.
SPEAKER_06But but at least with Moder, we knew Modara before he even showed up.
SPEAKER_08We understood like to an extent who the character was, so we knew what to expect kind of with him launching his plan. But yeah, that Kage's an ass pull if there ever was one. It kind of ruins the war art for me. There's so much filler in it, too.
SPEAKER_06But nah, do you know what the thrazy part is? Uh nah, actually, you know, it's actually um funny in hindsight where that war, the four Tony War War, took place in a matter of three days.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, it wasn't saying it was like two and a half, three days. Yeah, it didn't say.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and you wouldn't even think that.
SPEAKER_08But uh 200, 250 episodes, something like that. Like, it was insane.
SPEAKER_06But uh anime like My Hero Academia and Black Clover here, at least when they have like a little war arc, it actually felt like a war, like multiple days, multiple weeks, and like casualties on both sides and all this different shit.
SPEAKER_07Where I like the triage scenes. The the triage scenes, whenever they're going in war, you can see the aftermath and you know what it did to the overall civilians.
SPEAKER_08Absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, it's like a world-building experience that shows you these are actual real consequences that this world goes through because of the people that were made bad.
SPEAKER_08Oh, yeah, yeah. I genuinely enjoyed the Midnight Sun as a villain group, though. The the core members and then the main villain, and then even even with the devil coming out as like the the catalyst for everything, it was still enjoyable because it it flowed together.
Foreshadowing And Connected Arcs
SPEAKER_06Yeah, like I'm gonna be honest with you, like the whole thing felt like wow. See, that's why I'm saying, like, if they did this way later, I would have felt the same type of way how I felt about it don't take my time. I forgot uh Seven Deadly Sins. Where at first, okay, first two seasons, very good, right? Third season, the animation and whatnot, okay, I'm starting to see the cracks in the formula, but it's still okay. But my main gripe was how it felt like they just threw a whole lot of exposition and backstory and all this shit in the back half to a point where it just feels convoluted and rushed at the end to where next thing you know, I'm like, okay, I'm kind of lost because there's like so many connections, and also they try they try to do this whole Hancock shit. You know, Hancock with uh Will Smith, that one movie uh where they had like the whole soul made things and multiple reincarnations, but the creepy part is The fan service killed me for Seven Deadly Sins. I'm gonna be so for real with you, bro.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. That's yeah, I've actually, I'm not gonna lie, I've sat here and watched and even read Seven Deadly Sins. I've even uh there's even the manga uh sequel for The Four Nights of Apocalypse. I've gotten that far. But even then, I'm not gonna lie, while I had some moments where I liked about it, there were parts that I also have some criticism about too, and especially on the especially on the animations where I think the Seven Deadly Sins on like what was it, uh third season, and I'm telling you, you know how many, you know how many anime fans were let down, at least from once who read the manga of Meliodas versus Eskenor?
SPEAKER_08Yeah, the Seven Deadly Frames.
SPEAKER_00God, that's why that's fighting that fight was awful. I was I looked at it in the manga in the manga and it was like so cool when I was waiting for it in the anime, I was all hyped. And I'm not gonna lie, no, sometimes I can be sort of an easy guy to please, but when this is coming for me, that was that was probably one of the worst things I watched in anime yet. Like Meliodis versus Eskenor. I see if I saw a YouTuber like who uh makes fan animations, he made a better fight than the one uh in the official anime. Are you kidding me? Jesus.
SPEAKER_06That's you know what? Nah, you know, uh Hero, uh put a pin on that because I need to uh ask you how you're impressed. I I didn't draw I didn't want to forget about you, but like, you know, when we geeking out, we be geeking out.
Favorite Fights And Anime Production
SPEAKER_00No problem, no problem. I get you.
SPEAKER_06Now that we talk about fights, let's go ahead and talk about fights real quick. What's your favorite fight uh of this whole series? Because right now I'm kind of stuck between Julius versus Lick, and also I want to say Oscar versus um Lord Off 2, but there was actually some really good fights, not gonna lie. So it's gonna be kind of hard for me to pick one fight.
SPEAKER_00But it was like some good fights. Yeah, that's a hard one. I'm not gonna lie. That's that's a tough one because there were many good fights. Uh I want to say, honestly, just coming to mind, I'm not gonna say this is like my first favorite, but the one that immediately comes to mind was um, I forgot his name, but he was a part of the uh Midnight Sun. I think his name was Veto or something like that. The BC versus him. Because you got that foreshadow a little bit of Asta, you know, with the a little bit of the devil's like quote unquote true power kind of slithering through, you know, during that fight a little bit. That was like probably one of my favorites at least. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_06That was a good one. That was really good one. That was the first one where, like, at that point, that's the lock in right there, where as soon as you get to that point, okay, I'm locked in. I need to see the rest of the series, I need to see how this plays out.
SPEAKER_08But um yeah, I can't wait for the animation to come back out or the anime to come back out so I can like finish it out. I I want to read the manga, but like I I I I would much rather just watch it, honestly. Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00I've I've uh I've almost finished it. I think I'm yeah, I think I'm almost kind of finished with the manga up to the latest part, but no worries, I'm not spoiling.
SPEAKER_06No, but uh okay, light spoiling. I I'm not really spoiling it, but I'll just say this much.
SPEAKER_08I know bits and pieces, but it's hard to not be spoiled in this day and age.
SPEAKER_06Like, but no, I'm I'm just putting it like this. I can't wait until I see that union form animated. Because that design, ooh, beautiful.
SPEAKER_00Yep, I get what you mean. I I I can't wait either, man.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, that is such a fire thing to think about. Because especially when you're reading the manga and you're already imagining what's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, like that's the kind of crazy thing. Like, uh uh hero, you remember that post I made when uh you know how some folks like to pick on manga reads burrito. Oh, you gotta imagine the fight scenes. And I'm like, look here, you didn't see what I see, and you better watch your mouth before I tell you something you don't want to know.
SPEAKER_00Yep, but it's time about to spoil your whole thing.
SPEAKER_08I'll ruin your whole day. Keep playing. I've literally seen posts of people talking about how the manga shouldn't be able to come out before the episodes. It should be Yeah, literally, like they should just go episode to episode or some shit. Source material should be on a whim. That's insanity. Do you know how retarded that sounds like it takes forever to make an episode?
SPEAKER_06No, no, see it would be one thing if they made it in reverse where it started off anime only at first, and then they went back and made a manga. Okay, fine. But to have the source material, no, because listen, like that's what kind of pissed me off about fans, where if you're really a fan, you will understand how this shit works from a production point of view. From the point of view of the creators, like how much work it had to be put in, draw hand drawing this shit. Um, that's why you see so much more CGI in anime because it's harder to hand draw that versus get a computer image like 3D animated where um that's just the thing, like it's okay to have expectations and like standards, but all I'm saying is my main thing is keep it realistic. Like at the very least, do your research and understand, like, hey yo, like what you're asking for might take more time. So that's why some shit like say for instance, um I was still on the floor where I heard that Demon Slayer, the Infinity Castle, uh they said that if they did not get the update on their software like they did, animating the Infinity Castle would have taken 10 years. 10 years to make that shit. If the technology wasn't there.
SPEAKER_08I could imagine so, just with how the animation is itself. Like, Demon Slayers always spend top notch with their animation though.
SPEAKER_06So all I'm saying is like, hey, yo, we need to give these creators some more grades because like a lot of work and money need to be put in to make as good as they do. So uh unless you do some bullshit like Seven Dead with Sins and uh hand off your uh IP to another studio who might be infamous for cutting corners, you know.
SPEAKER_08But you know, the way I look at it with people who have like negative opinions on things like that, uh I I genuinely just uh remember that like fan is short for fanatic, and people take that shit way too far sometimes.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_08Uh so like you just ignore those individuals and leave them alone, and then like they'll shut up eventually.
Society Class Divide And Yuno’s Reveal
SPEAKER_06Uh Hero, uh, before I begin, uh, what was your impression on Black Glober as a whole?
SPEAKER_00Uh pretty well. I there's a lot to go over. Um, but I think so far, like, you know, the battles, the characters, uh, even the even the like society system itself was also very interesting. I do like the sometimes I do like a typical uh system of when they have the commoners versus the you know royals and whatnot. Um see how one is treated unfairly first to the other. Uh and obviously, now this is just me. And I know there's like some people out there sometimes he don't like a character like you know, but uh despite sometimes his attitude and all that, which he I think some people can tend to misunderstand him sometimes too because of like he can be so mean or so rude to Oscar or something, and it's like it's not that. It's just friendly banter rivalry, you know. Like we interpret it. I think he's that impressive at all from you know, like I I've seen fans complain about that kind of thing before. It might have been a small like yeah, I've seen No, if anything, you know still it, but he's not like an asshole, you know what I mean? Yeah, and you know, uh also when we find out about him and his origin going on later, like in the Spade Kingdom and all that. That's the other fascinating thing.
SPEAKER_06And oh man, you just reminded me how uh um that as soon as we got to the spade kingdom, we saw a whole new range of emotion from you know, where I'm like, oh yeah, you you just drop all his cool armor. Oh hell no. You mean to tell me they're responsible? Hold on, I'm the prince of the spade kingdom, yeah, and you mean to tell me that they're responsible for slamming out my parents?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and the other thing, and it's like I would assume too that most people who already watched uh Black Clover Anyway about you know, we probably we definitely already had our assumption that you know was probably from that you know bloodline anyway, from a royal bloodline. So that was easy to prove. Well, no wonder why he had such magical property. See, he's royalty.
SPEAKER_06It makes sense now.
SPEAKER_08Oh, he got the four leaf clover, that was a big deal. Like it did make sense kind of from the beginning.
SPEAKER_00Also, the spirit, yeah, and while some people Yeah, he got so oh, sorry.
SPEAKER_06Uh no, hold on. You know what? Y'all remind me how black clover reminds me of um Naruto in the sense where with Naruto, he's like a loud, uh, obnoxious, uh, failure type. Oh, not failure, but more underdog. That's what I meant. The underdog type where you he had to like really try, work 10 times as hard just to be as good as you know. That's why he was like working out his muscle gain, like real cut and shit, like trench body, whatnot. Um meanwhile, what you know, he's more like the aloof genius boy, where everybody wants to be like him, girls want to fuck him and all that shit. And like, yeah, he got this rivalry going on with Oscar, but see, here's the crazy thing is am I tripping to say that even though I kind of get it, where it was implied, Naruto and Sasuke, it didn't really feel like a brotherly rivalry, like a little bit.
SPEAKER_08Like it was some hater shit for a minute. Like, for real, yeah. Sasuke was kind of a hater. Like, let's be real about it, bro. He he was hating on Naruto when he saw the back of that water jug. Uh oh, no, don't tell me why the show was called Naruto, not Sasuke.
SPEAKER_06Like, I'm like, bro, don't tell me that Naruto is pulling ahead of me, dog. That's how you really beat my ass. Then no way I can beat Itagi.
SPEAKER_08No, I didn't get my that was right after he got his ass faded by Itachi 2. He thought he was gonna just walk Naruto, and then he saw that after having a little attitude, seeing he busted his open. Like, nah, yeah, it was different. It was different. It was it was very kind of like like some hating shit, genuinely.
SPEAKER_06It felt more important. In fact, it felt more one-sided where Naruto saw Sasuke like a brother, but Sasuke was like, eh, you know, I I mean, you alright sometimes that next to in class, like yeah, yeah, that's pretty much what it is. But no, but Asta and you know, little boy like brother from another mother from himself. Day one.
SPEAKER_08He he he knew what Asta was capable of. That's when they would not got the medals for when the black bulls came in second for all the like gold stars or whatever, and it was a shock. Yami threw Asta up there, and then Yuno hit him with like one of his strongest attacks, and Asta blocked that shit. Like, Yuno wasn't surprised. He's never surprised when he sees Asta do any of the things he does because he he he's seen him grow. He's been there, like egging him on to an extent. Remember, Asta's the reason you know became the way he was. You know was kind of a crybaby, and then Asta stood up for him, got his ass beat and stood up for him, and then he changed his mentality, he stopped crying, he became stoic, he like got better, became strong, and then you know, went from there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's what I like about him. And uh, yeah, you know, it's all it also like was very fascinating that you know he grew up knowing what it was like to be a commoner too, like you know, growing up aside him. So he also he already had that uh you know respect from that too, unlike most of the royals who obviously would look down on commoners, and that's like a pretty cool thing to see. You know, is you know, he he hates that crap, and it's like good. And uh that that one character, the you know, the king, not the wizard king, but the king. Man, that guy sucks. It was satisfying watching them, uh Austin You know, at that one little ceremony or whatever, and they rip into him, especially Austin. It was crazy.
SPEAKER_06Hey, I'm just telling the truth. I'm like, hey man, sometimes you you don't sing the quiet part out loud. Like, but you know what?
SPEAKER_08Austin changed everybody's mind. Like he showed them though. They both did. Yep. It don't matter.
SPEAKER_06But bro, I love can I just say that I love when you know, you know how you can tell you know's a real bro to Ansta? How even when Ansa's like miles away, if you don't catch anyone talking shit about Ansa, he will swine on. You remember when uh Secchi was trying to poison Ansa while he was going to the bathroom, and you know's like, what the fuck you did?
SPEAKER_00Caught him, you know. Yep, I remember that.
SPEAKER_08Honestly, it's it's them going back and forth though, because you know, you know got attacked by the chain guy in the very beginning after they got their grimoires, and that's that's when Afsa like got his and whipped out his big sword and beat his ass. But like they just kind of go back and forth on saving each other, honestly. But like it's just it's one of the healthier like rivalries in in manga that I've read.
SPEAKER_07Very refreshing, too, to have for sure.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I'd say I'd like it more than I'd say I'd like it more than Artomasowski's uh it's it's no like true animosity, it's it's the genuine brotherly, like, I'ma talk shit to you, but like love you, bro. I mean, like a genuine friendship, a male friendship.
SPEAKER_06No, no, like you said, Chris, I love how they made it look realistic. Like, in other words, it just doesn't feel out of nowhere, it doesn't feel forced or phony. It's like, yeah, I can actually believe that they are friends, but they're also rivals at the same time. Like, it doesn't feel like, okay, they claim that they're rivals, but they don't um, it doesn't seem like a rivalry or whatnot. But like, no, like they they have that there are different ways of going about it too. Where Awesome, I mean, he's doing what he can to like prove himself, but what you know, he's one of those protagonists where he actually had like a um path as far as like a career path to go on like okay. Yeah, they they got these different forms of magic, but they also got these different ranks as far as magic nights where it they kind of do like military style to where like you got your uh junior class, uh like senior class and whatnot, uh vice captain and whatnot. But um, but you know, he started up as just a um rookie, just a junior and whatnot. I forgot his uh original rank before it. I know it was like kind of high, but not that high. And wasn't it like junior magic night? Yeah, it was like junior, but I was like thinking like it was like a big thing.
SPEAKER_08He ascended the vice captain super quickly, too.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like he got up there real fast. Like for sure. That's what I'm saying. Like, at least he'll he got a path to where like, okay, now that I'm I'm vice captain, you know, after beating longers, even though longers was like kind of uh holding back at first, and then uh he decided, okay, let's go ahead and be serious anyways. But uh, you know it's like, hey, yo, 2v3, you could have won if he just went all out to begin with. But and you know, that's beside the point. Point being is that you know is now vice captain. All he needs to do now is become captain. And uh I'm not gonna spoil it for the anime only, but the way things go on with uh Bonges and Yami uh getting captured by the spade. Kingdom, like who knows? Maybe he might be captain soon. I don't know. I can't really say. But all you gotta do is just become captain of the cold and dawn, and then get one step closer to becoming Wizard King.
Best Squads Spirits And Yami Moments
SPEAKER_08So could I interject real quick? I have a question uh for everyone. Um, one of the things I did enjoy a lot about Black Clover was the Magic Knight Squad specifically. Uh outside of the two main ones, the Golden Dawn and uh the Black Bulls, do you guys have uh uh Night Squad that you you kind of fucked with a little bit?
SPEAKER_00Crimson Lion Kings. Crimson Lion Kings, yeah.
SPEAKER_07The Blue Rose Knights. I like I like them a lot. I'm specifically because of soul. I like her uh it's called Grimoire.
SPEAKER_08I personally liked uh what were they the purple peacocks with the the dream magic? Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, the the witch, yeah. She slept all the time. The coral peacocks. Yeah, coral peacocks. There you go, there you go. Yeah, because it was the purple orcas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, no, that her her powers specifically were pretty crazy.
SPEAKER_06Oh, yeah. It took Yami some effort to get out of there. But no, listen, like now that I've gone on that, like, first of all, Fue Goliang, he crazy enough, he gave he gave off cool older brother vibes. And it's kind of crazy that uh I'm saying that because first of all, it's always a cool older brother that typically gets slimed down in anime, you know, like Ace, uh, Ring Goku, uh fuck ass. Yeah, yeah. That one older brother from the Big List.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, they're fire types, dude. I was like, bro.
SPEAKER_08He was one of the first royals to like look at Austin and be like, you know what? You might be all right. Like, I might I might come fuck with you. Yeah, like I can might, I might can fuck with you a little bit, and then he gets fucked up. I was like, no. I know bro, you came back with no arm. I was like, oh shit, he don't.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, but then you know, he recovers and he gave, you know, I can just make a firearm now.
SPEAKER_08Uh okay, cool. Well, he got salamander, and you know, got the fire spirit. The spirits were also another cool thing that they put into the uh into the like world that was pretty interesting. I it I don't know, spoil it if it's in the manga, but like is there an earth spirit? Like that that kind of upsets me if there's not. There's a water, a fire, and a wind spirit. Like, why we ain't got a rock golem that's like talking to us or some shit.
SPEAKER_06I don't know. We need one. Like, it'd be funny. Chances are um it probably be like late into the um manga, or who knows? It might be someone that was already.
SPEAKER_08I don't care if it pops up at the very end and it's the girl from the blue rose. That's what I was gonna say. I feel like she over the phone. I just want to see it. Yeah, it it it feels the the need for the earth, the earth spirit is already every other one.
SPEAKER_06Either um soul or crazy enough, hear me out, Momonsa. Because I feel like she might have.
SPEAKER_08I thought she had plant magic, though.
SPEAKER_06I mean, yeah, but uh it could be like a mother nature type thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_08For sure, yeah, fair, fair, fair. Get like fucking her name had to be something like Tara or fucking like Gaia or something. Something like that. I know it was something, but um, yeah, I'd be disappointed.
SPEAKER_06But um, oh, another character from Crimson Lion Kings that really like uh Leona. Like that's not good.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I think the funniest part Leon as fucking Yami calls her, bro.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, but I think the funniest part about her is whenever she got those um lions' paws, and whenever she like wants you to go somewhere with her, she like just put your paws on.
SPEAKER_08Everybody's caught, bro. There's no getting out of that, it don't matter who you are. You might, but yeah, you might go accept your favorite. He's not captains, and they were just like, fuck, all right, let's get it over with. Like, we got yummy, and yami's one of the stronger ones. He really signs her up and was like, you know what?
SPEAKER_07I'm just gonna deal with this shit. What are we doing? Speaking about Yami being strong, dimensional slash scenes.
SPEAKER_00Oh man, that's when he hit that against that opening opening music. Oh god.
SPEAKER_07Oh yeah. Especially when he did it against Vito or Vilo, wherever he was like, Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was that was card, that was hard. You can't even lie, that was hard.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, but my favorite fight scenes was that uh when Yami was fighting um what was his name? Dante when he attacked the black bulls, yeah, and um he fucking he looked at Asta and he was like, yo, I need help. Asta popped. Oh, when they start jumping his ass. Yeah, that shit was tough. That shit was tough.
SPEAKER_00Dude, when you uh when you think about it, if you're like a demon or something like that, and you have Asta and Yami of all people double teaming you, they're the worst combination because technically to need arcane magic, right? And that hurts them.
Black Bulls Chemistry And Character Growth
SPEAKER_06Yeah, they're weak against dark magic, and then there's already Asta who negates magic, so they're like the worst possible team of you can go against thing years, it would be even worse, even though once again I'm not in the manga like that, but it would be even worse if it was Aza, Yami, and not the vice captain because you not have shadow magic. So bro.
SPEAKER_08So how did y'all feel about them like trickle feeding the black bulls members in like they did?
SPEAKER_06I like feeding them over time type shit. At least we got once like we said earlier, we got a chance to get to know these characters. So it's like, okay, let's get to know this core number right here, and then we're gonna add more people in, like Secret and uh Henry and others and whatnot. Um yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08That was his name to some shit like that. Fucking the trap magic guy. Oh, uh Gorod, yeah, yeah, yeah. Him too. Yeah, yeah, Zora. He was running a different name, yeah. What's that dude?
SPEAKER_07I like it due to the fact that you know it really shows the message of what black bulls are, bunch of misfits, you know, and yeah, they trickle them in perfectly to show, yeah, these are a bunch of misfits. And I like how they go back through everybody's stories showing how they got there, how Yami did his D1 scouting.
SPEAKER_08He really did, bro. He, if you look at it long term, like once the full squad has been assembled, like the Black Bulls are kind of fucking stacked, bro. Yeah, they got uh reality. What is it? The the Vanessa the purple gate, her fucking cat, bro. Then uh Gray find out that their magic is more than they thought, it's not just transformation, it's some kind of arcane magic. You got Dante attention immediately. Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. When he like the motherfucker saved uh wasn't it ghost?
SPEAKER_06Before I forget, fuck ghost. That's that's the only black bull I don't like.
SPEAKER_08He's so creepy with that shit. It's so weird. That's fantastic.
SPEAKER_06Those bleeds for your sister then, like no no, hold on, hold on. That part, okay. Yes, yes, but uh that's not the part that I'm mad about. The part that I'm mad about is how he act like he don't give a flying fuck about anybody else but her.
SPEAKER_08I think that's his character, but like you look when Asta lost the use of his arms. Ghosh went with uh the the silent brother. What's his name? Gordon Agripper. Bro, yeah, there you go. He he went with him and he he studied like purse magic and shit to try to like figure out what to do to help Asta. I don't think that he's genuinely like don't give a fuck. He's just he acts like that. But deep down he cares just as much as everybody else, I feel like. He was look when when when Fenrell got fucked up by his brother and everybody else left to to do it. Vanessa was there with her little kitty cat. Fucking Charmy had her little cheek Braddy, like Ghost had a mirror right beside him. He he was ready to send a little beam at him. Like, you know, he was gonna do something. He cares enough, I feel like, to to the sister shit is what kills me more so than anything else. Because I just I don't get it. It's weird.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, we don't we don't do that whole sweethole out of shit here. But uh okay. I'll I'll give Ghost the point where, like, okay, he's the kind of character where it's gonna take me some time to warm up to him. Oh, but uh uh I'm like thinking, damn, damn, what was it? Uh oh, you know, that reminds me. Uh, I don't know if y'all know about this anime, but uh if y'all ever heard of the irregular at Magic High School, I swear to God, this anime is really good. The only thing that fucked it up for me is how the sister as we is in love with her brother, the main character, but the brother is like, well, I'm not in love with her, but I kind of like play along, you know. Like, okay, we're not related, and those are the anime that lose me right there.
SPEAKER_08Genuinely, that makes me go back to Guren Logan or Yu-Yu Haka Show and just re-watch classics. I'm not watching some high school drama about incest. That's insane.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that I probably I think I dropped it because of that too. And it's it's pretty rare when I drop anime, you don't watch it ever again, too. That's crazy work, and that's so prevalent now.
SPEAKER_06But no, like see, the crazy thing is, uh, if you ignored all of that, it's actually kind of decent to where like, okay, the uh that is a lot to f that's a lot to ignore. I mean, they don't do it that much in this anime, but yeah, like I can kind of understand. I don't blame y'all. That's the one thing that killed it for me, for example. Dragon Ball sounds real good sometimes. Yeah, yeah. Uh, you know what? Let's talk a little bit more about these characters because I think the black bulls, like each of these characters brings something to the table that I really like. Charme, oh now that y'all mentioned her. Oh man, I love Charmie.
SPEAKER_08Now, first of all, she was like really funny, but then again, I love her utility with the food magic and then the switch with the dwarf magic.
SPEAKER_06But hold on though. Like, I like how like with Charme, she kind of reminds me of Choji Akamichi. Um, the whole butterfly form where it's like oh shit.
SPEAKER_08Oh yeah. Homeboy's namesake over here.
SPEAKER_06Um, real had a fucking crush on her, and I was like, bro, you don't even know that that Soraton fat girl right there. That's her crust. That's that's her right there. I'm like, nah, that can't be it. This little fat chick can't be her. I'm like, uh, yes, like I don't know how to voicely, but that's her right there. Like, the cat fishing touch it.
SPEAKER_08There's not love triangles in black clover. There's just a bunch of people with like heavy crushes on people, and they're so oblivious because they're like fucking they're they're so goal-oriented and they want to do what they set out to do more than anything else. Specifically, Yami. Asta doesn't know that there's like 12 chicks that want him every single day of their life, like since they met him.
SPEAKER_06But no, since he made Charming wants to be married.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, literally. That's the only one he cares about. But like the literal harem behind him doesn't matter. Like, Noelle's in his face all the time, slipping how much she cares about this cat. And he just he he cannot grasp what she's like putting down for him.
SPEAKER_06Bro, I would say that Asta is almost beating Doug Cornell, you know, um Bell from Domanchi. Uh, is it wrong to pick up um girls in a dungeon? Like, bro, like if you've seen that anime, that is literally this one dude only having a crutch on this one chick. Meanwhile, he's friend zoning everyone else. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_07Then you got animes like Moshuko Tensei, like, dude got three wives. Sorry, that's a spoiler, but like, whoa.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I need to watch.
SPEAKER_08I mean uh fucking Uzui and fucking uh Demon Slayer with his three wives. Yeah, true.
SPEAKER_00I need to watch uh Mukho Tensei again.
SPEAKER_08Like I think girlfriend sitting here nodding her head like I like those three wives from Demon Slayer.
SPEAKER_06Hey, you know, you know, crazy enough. We didn't do those yet. No, the Demon Slayer and we no, neither we didn't do those yet. So I want to hear for Demon Slayer.
SPEAKER_08I've read the manga for Demon Slayer. That shit, all right. Look, I hate the claims that everybody says Demon Slayer is carried by animation. That story is actually really good. Oh, yeah. Like read the manga if you have to, but it's really solid.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I've read it even. It was crazy. I love it.
SPEAKER_08That's when you go into the hockey rows. Donadon was the other manga that I've read recently. That was about about it recently that I've touched, but Donadon was pretty good too.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I'm on, yeah. You know what? Uh, to anybody listening to this episode, listen, if you can't wait for more Donadon, you might as well go ahead and read the manga because you're not going to get third season to 2028. I thought they said it was coming out next year. No, uh well, after the Olympics. They said they specifically said after the Olympics, and that's 2027-2028.
SPEAKER_08So they had such a good release schedule already with the first two seasons, though. That's crazy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06But hey, readily immediately. The next art they're gonna do the space school boost, that's like a big arc.
SPEAKER_08So I'm like, hey, yo, yeah, that's the invasion. It's yeah, so it's amazing anime. Without going into everything, it it oh man, it has to because the art, bro, the the mangaku for Donadon is a phenomenal artist. That guy or girl, whichever, I don't know. Um, they are phenomenal. The shit that they draw is almost as good as the story, it carries the story to an extent sometimes because it's just beautiful. The scale, especially in the invasion specifically, like there's so much that happens and it's not like a jumbled mess. It's it's very clean in my mind. I just I I really like it. Outside of Kagurabachi, I haven't seen uh a recent manga that's like super clean like that. Kagurabachi's also very clean.
SPEAKER_07Hell's Paradise is always one that I would say to check out. Hell's Paradise is good.
SPEAKER_08Uh, watch some of the first season on that.
SPEAKER_06I'll go ahead and finish it. Have uh any of y'all seen To Be Hero X? Not yet. No, I haven't watched it at all. Listen, I've heard great things. Please do, because first of all, the animation, like the way they change the animation and all that shit, very good. But also, like the storytelling, the way they do it, it's gonna feel like Kingdom Hearts, where it's like, okay, like the whole story is not exactly uh linear. It's like they're telling like different people's story and different parts of like the timeline is like jumbled up, but um it gets really good, like it's basically when you get to the end where it's like all these fights and all this shit.
SPEAKER_08Bro, I'm not doing Kingdom Hearts though, bro. Just real quick, heard that the new one is coming into development here soon, and that would be that'd be Pete.
SPEAKER_07Sorry to cut in real quick. I gotta head out, but it was fun. I will absolutely come down to the next one.
SPEAKER_06So hell yeah. All right, bro, you took it easy and thank you for being on the show. It was a blast. Talk to y'all later. But um, yeah, like check that out whenever you get a chance because it's actually pretty good. Like, it gets kind of dark. Um the the music is phenomenal, the fights have gone crazy. Just just go just go watch it. That's all I gotta do. But uh keep it on Black Clover. There's a lot of characters that like really good. Um I like Magna, Vanessa, I like pretty much all of them. Like Gray kind of comes into her own accord. Um I'm kinda running on fumes a little bit because um I'm trying to think of all the characters that was like in the black balls alone. Because, like you said, like it seemed like they kind of add more people and try to uh hope I don't know.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, it was kind of like a trickle in. Like I didn't mind it too much, but I I kind of hated meeting knocked at the end of the like anime where they they kind of cut the anime off. That was kind of because he was he was such a cool character immediately, and you only get him for so long, and then then the you know the anime ends. Be careful, my love. Um, and you know, and now you just like do I read the manga or do I just wait? And like with the confirmation that it is coming out, like I will wait, but damn man, it's been about I've rewatched Black Clover like three times, just waiting.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, not to not to spoil your team much, but um, don't worry, you'll you'll get more unlocked and uh whatnot, you'll you'll get more on them.
SPEAKER_08They just happen to kind of I heard I heard he's a motherfucker.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and uh I gotta say though, the character uh specifically too, um Noelle. I honestly like how she's handled along with her family. Like I like her development too.
SPEAKER_08You know what she's like treated originally and she just like comes into her own and doesn't let that bother her anymore? She she's a well-written female character, honestly. And it it's refreshing to where she's just not the damsel in distress. Like she defends herself and she's very much capable.
SPEAKER_00Yep, and she's got a dragon spell. I like that too.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I was gonna say she gets stronger over time, like the armor's sweetest shit, like you know, it it just it turned out to be pretty decent.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Anybody who knows me enough already is like, you like her because of that dragon too, don't you? No, what are you talking about? What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_08You can't go wrong with a dragon, man. Dragon. Yeah.
unknownOh yeah.
SPEAKER_06Oh, yeah. Uh, I like how with Noelle, the whole thing with her mother being killed by that one uh Getua. And I like once again, uh this was foreshadowed to. Boy, I like how all the shit uh happening between the Diamond Kingdom, the Island Midna Sun, and then we enter the Spade Kingdom, and then you finally understand that okay, we finally get to meet Mikua, but she's being possessed by that one chick who's part of the Spade Kingdom. Meanwhile, uh all the shit happening to where it seemed like between the Spade Kingdom and the Devils, it seemed like it's always someone else pulling the strings off. First you thought it was like uh something going on with the Diamond Kingdom, and then next thing you know, the I at the Midnight Sun books like kind of hiring them to do the dirty work, and then okay, you gotta go after them, and then yeah. So I like all that shit where like you get to know all these characters, you uh have a story where it seems like it's all connects together, uh everybody serves a purpose. Some people come back like uh Mars, Fauna, uh like y'all said earlier with Rabies and um Sally the um scientist girl.
SPEAKER_08Didn't she turn good? I don't remember.
SPEAKER_06She turned good, didn't she? I mean yes, like I want to say at least neutral, like gray, at least gray area, yeah. That's cool. Like not. Exactly like oh one to guy.
SPEAKER_08I kind of like I I I kind of like those in my mind the gray area characters are more relatable because hardly in life are you ever just one side or the other. The most time than not than you you sit in between on most like topics or or you know beliefs. Life is hardly ever black and white.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, honestly, I had a hard time, a long time on come to terms with that where I'm like, um sometimes I think what if some things were black and white, you know, like I I just kind of wish some things were just like you know, like it doesn't take too much nuance, but it is what it is, or that you know, every now and then sometimes it's okay to call a spade a spade. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, I got that. Like, not everything has like nuance or shades of grades, or like, oh, there's two sides of no no no, like there's like a simple explanation to it, and that's all there is to it. That's all I'm saying. But yeah, I'm not discounting the fact that um some things shouldn't be made so simple or small, but like uh there's more to it than that. And that's why I say with Black Hilver, despite the fact that they have a bunch of tropes and whatnot that we're familiar with, it's its own thing. Like, especially with the uh here's my main thing: art specifically, you can tell when a certain series is trying to uh be about something when it seemed like the art style, it's like you you're not gonna see this in any other show unless the same creator did a sequel series or whatnot. Um say, for instance, some of the mainstream anime that we see now, like y'all mentioned earlier with Demon Slayer, uh Hell's Paradise, uh, I mentioned 2B Hero X and whatnot, to where there's a lot of anime where it seemed like, okay, it kind of looks like they just kind of copy and paste the art style, but then there's certain anime like uh Gachi Akuda and maybe uh Togeyanki, where it's like, okay, we can tell you y'all have to try to be about something because you're not gonna find that art style anywhere else.
SPEAKER_08I think Gachiakuda is kind of an outlier. It feels like something very different than everything on top right now, in my mind at least.
SPEAKER_06And that's kind of the point where like it stands out like a sore thumb so well that it's hard to ignore it. That's why it's getting the traction that it's getting, especially the way uh fucking Rudo make those fucking faces, dog.
SPEAKER_00You can definitely tell it was inspired by uh freaking Soul Eater slash fire force.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I feel like I don't know. I when I talk to people about Soul Eater and Fire Force, I I can't get through Fire Force, honestly, just because of the fan service. It it it's one of the things that genuinely makes me stop a lot of anime or manga is just how much that happens. It's kind of annoying to me. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Nah, I'm a real big fan of it.
SPEAKER_00I can respect that because I had to tretch to like the uh I literally trudged to like the seven deadly sins sometimes with their little moments.
SPEAKER_08It was so bad with Elizabeth and shit, like in that seven deadly sins, it was rough. What killed me? What killed Fire Force for me, because I love Soul Eater, and Soul Eater in my mind is not as bad as Fire Force is with the fan service. Um, but it's there, it's in most every anime manga out over the last however long. Like Goku literally was like patting Beaumont or like joint dog, like getting comfortable to lay down, you know. Man's got two kids, doesn't know what kissing is, but uh fucking it fireforce killed me. It it's the scene where the cat chick and the nun beat up the like high-ranking guy uh in the sewers because her like bra slips off or something, and he gets a nosebleed, and then the nun just brains him with a pipe. Yeah, and then I after that I was good. My girlfriend's watched it past that, and she knows. She says, Buddy, buddy trained by watching you know, some corn and came back and got beat the same way. So, like, it's just it's a bit too much for me. The story itself is cool, but like, damn, bro, tone it down.
SPEAKER_06Um y'all just reminded me of how I've been watching a whole bunch of different anime that had little to no fan service. So um as soon as I got back to okay, uh, some of my friends in the inner circle uh wanted to talk about Tales of Wedding Rings, right? And I I'm wanting to check it out because I didn't get around to watch it because uh they reviewed season one and we plan on reviewing season two eventually, but uh I I got around to finally watching it, right? And bro, it was like so there was like as it takes everywhere to a point where I was like hey, yo, this is like a little too much long. Like it's almost like I kinda uh I kind of put this you know how like you go on a new diet, and then as soon as you taste something after so long and not having it can get taken back with it.
SPEAKER_08The processed sugars and shit. Yeah, that's what it felt like to me. This is the poison that I got rid of.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's what it felt like to me. I'm like, whoa, hold on, like, am I crazy or am I kind of taking a fan service now? Because I'm like, this is like a little too much before maybe I just didn't expose myself to enough fancy. Like, it's almost like I weaved myself off fan service, and then until I saw a lot of I was like, whoa, hold on. Uh cut this TV all the way. I need to pick up a Bible something. Right. Let me let me read the newspaper quick. Uh but uh I'm kind of glad Black Clover isn't like that too.
SPEAKER_08I mean, that's a little bit, just a little bit, but I think more so than anything, it's just Vanessa just having her shit popping out in panties and bras all the time. But like she's just a freaky ass, like, witch, in my mind. More so than anything else. Like, most all of the other witches that we see kind of have their shit popping. The queen, like, she she had some she had some bosom. That's for sure.
Asta’s Yelling Openings And Memes
SPEAKER_06Uh, what else about Black Clover that I want to talk about? Because um, for the most part, like, yeah, like uh I I kind of like the direction of the uh series. Okay, okay, okay. Oh, I I just thought something. Uh, first of all, let me let me ask y'all something. Because a lot of uh fans like the uh make this the main point of Black Clover. Uh, how did y'all feel about Asta doing all that yelling? Because personally, I've seen enough anime to where anime character doing a whole bunch of yelling isn't it?
SPEAKER_08It's the Goku method, bro. The later you get, the stronger you get. You just scream until you power up, you know?
SPEAKER_00It doesn't, it doesn't bother me, honestly, because it's like, I mean, for one, I already I'm just saying it. I'm not I'm not throwing shit at anyone when I say this, but I already have friends and family who I I've been between and been with who end up yelling and whatnot. So it's like I got a resistance to it. And then the third thing, again, being exposed to Dragon Ball for pretty much most of my time. And I've already seen so much, I've already heard so much screaming.
SPEAKER_08So it's like it took how many episodes for him to turn into the Super Saiyan the first time? Like he screamed and most of it, yeah, and then it was just inner dialogue outside of that.
SPEAKER_00So uh ironically, too, when we're we're on the topic of black cover, right? Ironically, I just started watching his anime. Uh some person, one of my friends said the main character reminds reminds him of me or something, but uh I think it was called Tsuka Michi or something like that, like Moon Fantasy or Moonlit Fantasy. And the English dub, the English dove voice actor for that person, the main character, ironically, is the same one for Asta too. And he does screaming in there uh here and there. So I'm like, yeah, I don't mind yelling. I mean, I can tolerate it, it doesn't bother me at all.
SPEAKER_08Have y'all done a full medal on here yet, bro? Yeah. Yeah, we already did that one. Y'all gonna y'all gonna do the the Damon of the Demon Realm or whatever it's called when that one comes out? Yeah. The the new one by the the Mongopter.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. As soon as the um season concludes, we're on that. I'll be here for that. I'm definitely checking that out. Oh, uh, by the way, uh we plan on reviewing Fire Force and Soul Eater 2. It's just that we we were going to sooner, but the problem was a whole a whole bunch of shit um came up, so I'm like, okay, let's piss to put it on the back burner. But now that Fire Force is concluding now, I'm like, okay, let's go ahead and jump on it. But uh we might wait until October to do both of those. Um, I was just thinking, um, what else? I was gonna um say uh I I forgot to um I really liked um Black Clover. I like uh what they were doing with all this. And oh oh yeah. Uh there was another thing that we wanted to talk about with Black World, but uh let me check my notes real quick just to make sure that uh I didn't bring up uh the topic that I already brought up. Umpe, I got it. That was it. Uh y'all have anything else y'all want to talk about with Black Vulver? Anything that we didn't touch on yet?
SPEAKER_00Uh I think for the most part, I'm I'm I'm fine for now. There's probably honestly, there's probably more I would want to talk about, but I think I'd rather wait until like the newer season gets released and all that because uh I genuinely want to talk about some of the stuff on the like further in the manga, but like I said, I don't want to spoil, so I'll I'll wait.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I seeing the uh the trailer for the new season, like it it looks so so fucking good, man. And from what I've heard about what's coming out from the manga readers, like it's it's about to be some like break the internet.
SPEAKER_06Hell yeah. Well uh if we got nothing else, uh normally I would do a rating on anime or movies or whatever we're doing, but uh I don't know. Um on the one hand, Black Clover isn't concluded yet. Like I mean, as in if we were to review it from beginning to all the way to the manga end, then maybe I would give it like an official rating. Or right now, I would say if I'm being really critical, I would give it like uh maybe uh nine out of ten. But until further notice, I would still give it the five-star treatment to where I'm like it it does a lot of things like okay, okay, now I remember. Now I remember the one thing. Uh the actually no. I wanna say a bunch of people were well, some folks, I'm um, I don't even know how many people, but like I still remember this one skit that uh RDC World did where you know they did anime house, and uh they did this one skit with uh producing music for anime, and then this one coming in at Austin talking about oh, I need to put on a new um opening or a new anything. I'm like, damn, y'all, like you already got like what 20, 30 different songs, like y'all. Like, did y'all ever feel like uh it was a little annoying having all these different opening and ending things for the episodes? Because personally, I didn't mind it that much, but uh I guess uh to some degree it it became a meme where like between the yelling and all these different uh opening-ending theme songs, like I guess that was the uh main thing that um people had uh pick on black club for, but other than that, it was a good film.
SPEAKER_08I'd say with that, it's just people complaining, bro. People are always gonna find something to complain about, honestly. Misery creates misery. Just leave that alone, honestly. If you enjoy something, enjoy it, you know. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I think with every opening of a black honestly, I think every opening with Black Clover was pretty much like opening and ending. Uh each of them was pretty much a banger to me.
SPEAKER_08Like Bluebird or anything, but you know, they're solid. Like it's it's it's not like the Naruto. Like, cause bro, I'm gonna be real, man. I got uh anime openings and outros on my uh on my Apple. Like, I don't give a shit. I got Win by Akasobi. That's one of Naruto's like first outros. That shit goes hard. I got I got yeah, Bluebird, like Heroes Come Back. Um uh uh what's the U U Haka show? Smile Bomb, like all that, bro. All bangers. Like that many music go hard. People just tripping, they don't understand the words, just catch the vibe.
What To Watch Next Anime Gateways
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah. No, no, see, you know what, Chris, I'm glad that you said that because uh you know what the uh one thing that I would really love to do uh nowadays, um, because some some folks be doing this, man. I'm gonna say this is like before, like slightly before anime became mainstream. I'm like, right before the great shift. But every now and then you have somebody that um will say that oh anime is for kids and whatnot. And I'm like, all right, bet. So check this out. Uh, you got kids? Uh you do? All right, bet. So you check this out. I'm gonna give them this list. They can go check out this list. Um, gonna have them watch it here like Attack on Titan and Blood C and Black.
SPEAKER_08I'm gonna give them something easier. Honestly. If I'm giving somebody something to watch and they've never watched anime, I'm gonna give them, I'm gonna give them, honestly, full metal brotherhood. That shit is such a good story. It's well written. The side characters are really well written, the world is like expanded upon really well. Uh, the power system is super easy to understand. Like, the main characters are likable, the villains are likable to an extent. Like the battles are dope. It's it's a really good intro in my mind. So outside of like ALT. Personally, not a fan of Attack on Titan, but you know, that's just me.
SPEAKER_06No, see O Mel Alchemist Brotherhood. I gave that the five. That that is damn near perfect. Yeah, it's damn near perfect in my mind. Genuinely. That's why I said too. That's why I said when I did it, I'm like, bro, I literally do anything wrong with this anime. Like, it's that good.
SPEAKER_08If if I could choose any mangaka to like rewrite uh a manga, it would be uh Brotherhood's mangaka rewriting Naruto because I feel like she would make the side characters and the female specifically, uh, much more prevalent and more important to the story than they were, is just being like characters in in the like slot of the character. Female characters kind of suck in Naruto. Let's be real. The swing got more time than pen pin, bro.
SPEAKER_06No, no, I don't I agree because uh they kind of got hold for the most part, where it's like some of them kind of get some time, but then they just get written off. See, I will it's crazy how like uh they would say like characters like Sakura is useless, but then I still remember how um that one ninja, I think of her name was Anko.
SPEAKER_08Uh, you know, the uh the one chick that was the Roshi Maru chick, she did the the tuning exams. Yeah, that's Anko.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I'm like, okay, first of all, she's like, God damn, she's gone bad.
SPEAKER_08But like, I just kinda did her so dirty in Boroto, man.
SPEAKER_06Oh. Yeah, everybody dirty in Boroto. I'm not trying to uh body shame, but I'm just asking what nerf happened.
SPEAKER_08I want to know that with everybody in Boroto. Like everybody got nerfed appearance-wise, bro. Look at Gara. Look at Gara. Start with him, then you can go to Naruto. Shikamaru is the only one that looks halfway normal, still. It's because he got the most basic grip. Like, but everybody got nerfed, man. Look at Shino's face. It's it looks like fucking Robocop. Like all around Darwi with that little fucking where's my hug mustache? Like, ew. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00I'm not gonna lie, Boroto himself. I mean, like the time skip version. I'm not gonna lie.
SPEAKER_08He's kind of rippy. I've seen I've seen frames of the the what is it, blue vortex or whatever. Yeah, he's kind of he's kind of swagged out.
SPEAKER_06I've seen no the way he dropped on Buddy as soon as he came back to the room.
SPEAKER_08I heard Sarda looks pretty dope too, though. Now I'm um I was wondering what they were gonna do with the like daughter of Sasuke and fucking Yeah, I heard she uh pretty cool. Got a mongifio already, potentially.
Boruto One Piece And Keeping Up
SPEAKER_06I don't know. I gotta read it. Yeah, I need to get back into it because uh I think it's kind of crazy how like just like Black Clover. You're thinking, like, what's going on with uh the Boruto anime?
SPEAKER_08Like, are y'all coming back with this video? I watched, I didn't read the manga. I watched the Borito anime and it's like 90% filler from what I'm saying. I mean that that's dookie, dog. I'm just gonna pick up the manga. I'm gonna be so for real.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, mine as well because like I I just can't forgive it to the fact that bro, like I the fact that they set up the way they set up words on the where it's like, okay, we we're just trying to figure out how we get from them just becoming ninja to how the fuck Kawaki destroyed the weave and killed Naruto.
SPEAKER_08Away and space demons or some shit. No, and it's just it's it it used to be a manga about like ninjas who who weave like crazy gang signs and had elemental powers because of it. And and now it's like this space god planted a seed on earth and and then like other people came to harvest it and eat the chocolate. It's just too much, man. I want it back to normal. I really do hate the direct that it women.
SPEAKER_06Hold on. I like how you said that because between that and Yusufizen, where okay, their monk the flagship manga ended, and then they did Medula, where it's pretty much space sorcerers. And now I'm to a point where I'm like, what's next? Uh y'all gonna bring back Bleach just to have space Shinigami? Are you gonna uh make a single to One Piece just to have space pirates?
SPEAKER_08Look, One Piece is already look they they did 1100 episodes and was like, yep, season one's done, guys. So like let's let's chill where we end up with 2,000 episodes for fucking chill. Like, uh being caught up on One Piece is the chore. It really is.
SPEAKER_00Like season one.
SPEAKER_08Look, you can legit just tell people now, like, bro, it's only one season. They open that shit up and there's 11 like 35 episodes, bro.
SPEAKER_00What do you mean since I've been in middle of high school? It's been season one.
SPEAKER_06I mean, to be fair, you guys, like uh I mean if you got the time, it'll probably take you like what, two, three months.
SPEAKER_08Honestly, I I will be real with you. I so back in 20, I want to say 24, it was about a year. After me and my girl got together, I started one piece. And I ended up finishing it. I skipped the like 10% filler. I just don't really fuck with filler. But I skipped that and it took me maybe like three, four months to catch up. And then once I caught up with the anime and caught the sub, I just started reading the manga at that point. And now I'm kind of caught. All the way up.
SPEAKER_06And just one piece is one of those things where, like, if you get caught up, you better stay caught up because like you can't afford it.
SPEAKER_08You'll get left so quickly, bro. Yeah. My girlfriend in uh where are you at? Scapia? Are you still in Scapia? Yeah. Yeah, she's back there, bro. He's back there. And it's like it it kind of sucks in Scapia to an extent because like the animation isn't that great. Uh it's it's kind of basic fighting and stuff comparative to like what happened is I was watching and she started watching where I was at. Uh, and I was in like Sabaudi right before the time skip. And then right after that was, you know, Impel and fucking Marineford and shit. Like, so it was fast-paced, hardcore action, like shit's happening. Uh, and then she goes back to Skype and it's like NL talking shit for five episodes. It's just like how do I get through this? And it's like, bro, you you kind of gotta just slog through this. Once you get to water seven, like, then you hit any sloppy, and then that's when shit starts happening. Because after that, it's through the bars, there's the new boat, like, there's so much that happens, and it happens so quickly. Like, you can genuinely progress through it if you just like kind of keep those down.
SPEAKER_06If you really want payoff as far as like animation and like fight scenes and whatnot, like y'all really gotta push through it to get to at least get to like Holk Island.
SPEAKER_08Um, even think you gotta go that deep. Saba Hodi was clean as shit, bro. That's kind of one of the best scenes ever. St. Charlotte's gets his shit absolutely rocked. Like, bro, one of the turned it back into a manga and hit him that hard. Like, the frame for that alone was one of the coolest shits that came out. Like fair enough, fair enough. I mean, I don't know, like, that depends on how much convincing somebody that was also the introduction of the like worst generation and shit, and you had Bonnie, who ended up being a really relevant character down the line. There was Kuba was his fucking what he did to the crew and everything. Like, uh there was so many characters. Wall was introduced, I think, at that point, if not was he introduced in Sabahoti?
SPEAKER_06Uh no, no, no. He was introduced slightly before that. Like, I'm gonna say it was like around Marine Port. Oh Marineford was after Saba Hodi, though.
SPEAKER_08Okay, yeah, but I'm trying to think like no I'm gonna say Sabahoody wasn't. I'm not saying that.
SPEAKER_06I'm saying like I'm trying to think was he introduced or the whole worst generation thing. I'm like thinking.
SPEAKER_08I think it might have been punk hazard if it wasn't Saba Hodi.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, definitely involved in Punk Hazard. Yeah. That's what it was. It was punk hazard.
SPEAKER_08That was a good art. Like shit happens, you learn stuff. Like those are the is the meat of the the one piece story, and you just excuse me, you gotta get to that.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Uh long with introduced, uh, youth is with introduce, uh yeah, baby, and uh whoever that guy was on the blonde with the tattoos on the face.
SPEAKER_08Wasn't it the Hawkins? Wasn't that the voodoo guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like his double fruit. It was it was a it was a weird one. Definitely wasn't something like any of the other ones.
unknownOh yeah.
SPEAKER_06Uh run a long time right now. Anything you want to add on to the like little review. Anything that he's gonna be out in like October.
SPEAKER_08I was gonna say, yeah, I thought it was gonna be like August, September, somewhere in there, so October. October October's a perfect month, too. Yeah, definitely definitely gonna have to get into that again. And you can rewatch it and just catch up right then.
SPEAKER_06Um nothing is like the January and uh April uh release, like uh, because you know how they do it in seasons where January, April, uh July and October, that's when they usually put out uh new seasons and whatnot. Uh unless it's like 24 episodes or longer. Or whatever they call it coming up. Yeah, it's gonna be in the July. Yeah, yeah.
Final Thoughts Rating And Sign Off
SPEAKER_08Waiting on the waiting for my girl to watch bleach. Praise my heart. Shaking her head. Oh man. Uh no.
SPEAKER_06Well, gentlemen, it's been great to have y'all on the show, but let's just go ahead and wrap this one up. Uh, to the listener, and thank you for all listening to us to the end. Remember that great things are coming. Just stay nerdy. Uh, we're gonna go ahead and zone up out of here. So go ahead and have yourself a good morning, good afternoon, good evening, good night, whatever time you happen to be listening to this, but ultimately, take it easy.
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