Ostrich Antibodies & Avian Flu: Is Science Being Ignored?

Season 5: Episode 207

In this North American Ag Spotlight podcast episode, host Chrissy Wozniak interviews Katie Pasitney from Universal Ostrich, a family-owned ostrich farm in British Columbia, Canada. The farm, which has been raising ostriches for 35 years, is facing a crisis due to a government order to cull over 400 ostriches amid an avian flu outbreak, despite most birds showing resistance and antibodies to the virus.

Katie explains that the farm has shifted focus in recent years to groundbreaking antibody research in collaboration with Kyoto Prefectural University in Japan. They inoculate ostriches with antigens to produce robust antibodies in their egg yolks, which could be used to create nutraceuticals like lozenges and nasal sprays to boost human immunity against diseases, including COVID-19 variants. This research has shown promising results, with one ostrich egg containing antibodies equivalent to 100 chicken eggs or the blood of 800 rabbits, offering a humane and efficient alternative.

The crisis began in December 2024 when the farm noticed symptoms similar to a 2020 pseudomonas bacteria outbreak, initially linked to migratory mallard ducks. However, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA), acting on an anonymous tip, tested two deceased ostriches and confirmed H5N1 avian influenza using PCR tests, rejecting the farm’s request to test healthy birds or conduct a broader study. Despite the farm’s isolation and the ostriches’ apparent herd immunity—evidenced by 76 days without symptomatic deaths post-quarantine—the CFIA ordered the entire flock’s destruction, citing trading partner policies influenced by the World Health Organization and the UN.

Katie highlights the farm’s struggle against what she calls a “stamping out” policy that prioritizes mass culling over preserving natural immunity, potentially benefiting Big Pharma by eliminating alternatives to vaccines. The CFIA has threatened a $250,000 fine or jail time if the farm tests its own animals, and even probed for intellectual property during a 5.5-hour meeting, despite having already signed a kill order on December 30, 2024. The family faces a deadline to kill and bury the ostriches themselves or lose compensation if a third-party contractor intervenes.

With a judicial review scheduled for mid-April, the farm is fighting legally to save their ostriches and research, having raised over $60,000 for legal fees but facing $100,000 more in outstanding costs. Katie pleads for public support, emphasizing the global implications for agriculture and natural immunity, and directs listeners to saveourostiches.com for updates and donations.

Chrissy underscores the story’s urgency, calling for action against government overreach and the preservation of this potentially revolutionary science, urging listeners to share the episode and support the cause. 

Learn more about this cause at https://bcrising.ca/save-our-ostriches/ and give to the cause at https://www.givesendgo.com/save-our-ostriches or https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-ostrich-farmers-fight-to-save-herd-from-avian-flu?attribution_id=sl%3A80e09934-7413-429b-acfb-2f7015cc19d3&lang=en_CA
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Transcript

00;00;20;19 - 00;00;42;05
Chrissy Wozniak
Hi, and welcome to North American Spotlight. I'm Chrissy Wozniak. I wish my guests were here this week under different circumstances. Unfortunately, she's in the fight of her life and the lives of 400 ostriches in her family's care. In the world of agriculture. We often hear stories of resilience, innovation, and deep connections that people have with the animals that they raise.

00;00;42;05 - 00;01;09;28
Chrissy Wozniak
But sometimes those stories take a heartbreaking turn and one that calls for awareness, action and support from the broader community. Today, I'm bringing you a story out of British Columbia, Canada, that highlights not only the devastating impact of how avian flu is being handled in Canada, also the U.S., but also the potential for groundbreaking scientific research that could change the way we understand and combat the disease.

00;01;10;00 - 00;01;35;08
Chrissy Wozniak
Family owned Ostrich Farm, which has been working on antibody research with the Kyoto Prefectural University, is now facing an unimaginable crisis, despite the majority of their birds showing strong resistance and antibodies to the virus. Government regulations have ordered the calling of over 400 ostriches, some of which have lived for decades and continue to thrive even the face of this outbreak.

00;01;35;11 - 00;02;00;08
Chrissy Wozniak
And this isn't just about one farm. It's about the potential to shift the way we handle avian flu in Canada and the US. The role of science in disease mitigation and the fight to protect animals that are not only beloved, but also hold a critical value and ongoing research. So joining me today is someone who is on the frontlines of this urgent battle, fighting to save these remarkable birds and preserve the future of this vital work.

00;02;00;11 - 00;02;07;03
Chrissy Wozniak
Please welcome Katy passage from Universal Ostrich. Thank you so much for joining me today, Katy.

00;02;07;06 - 00;02;17;16
Katie Pasitney
Thank you for having me and helping us get the urgent message out there because we are working with seconds, not minutes in this situation. So I appreciate the time.

00;02;17;19 - 00;02;41;00
Chrissy Wozniak
Yes, yes, I'm happy to to spread the word. I'll give a little bit for any, any of the listeners who, who haven't really been following the, avian flu over the last few years. And I'm sure a lot of listeners have heard me tell the story a few times, but, last year, we, we were I was at USDA in Washington, D.C., with our group, American Agro Women.

00;02;41;03 - 00;02;59;25
Chrissy Wozniak
And, and we got to visit with someone, and they were giving us an update on bird flu. And what she explained is that, when a chicken. And I think everybody knows this by now, but I'm just going to go through it. But when when one chicken test positive, all millions of chickens, every single one of them is called.

00;02;59;27 - 00;03;22;10
Chrissy Wozniak
And one of one of our questions to that woman at USDA was, well, you know, how is this being handled in nature? And, and she said, well, it's spread by ducks as they're migrating back and forth. And, and we said, well, what's the plan for the ducks? And they said, natural immunity, that the, the, the ones that are susceptible will die and they will breed this out.

00;03;22;10 - 00;03;48;27
Chrissy Wozniak
And we just have to wait it out. So the natural next question is, okay. Well, in a in a farm, the if the virus goes through, there's going to be a certain percentage that remain alive and then those ones will have their offspring. So why aren't we building resistant flocks. And the answer was we use stamp out. And that is the answer.

00;03;48;29 - 00;04;06;28
Chrissy Wozniak
I'm hoping under the new administration that this stops. And I will definitely give an update after our visit to USDA in June. But anyway, I'm going to turn it over to you. Katie, let's start with your background. Why you have this ostrich farm and, and then just tell your story.

00;04;07;01 - 00;04;37;01
Katie Pasitney
Yeah. Sounds good. So we've been an ostrich. We're raising ostriches for 35 years. My mom, it was started with my grandparents, actually, a little bit further back story. So my grandparents got into it. My grandpa, my grandfather was the, president of the Alberta Ostrich Association and and, Alberta. And he, when they got out of it, we just we had still fallen in love with, the market that kind of came as a novelty bird with no market.

00;04;37;02 - 00;05;02;11
Katie Pasitney
So it kind of the market really quickly burst. And, a lot of people that were in it got out of it and at that time, my mom saw a great opportunity because she saw that these animals just held a lot of really beautiful healing qualities. Their oil, their, meat for diabetics. There just so much of this animal was, was really it was a golden opportunity.

00;05;02;13 - 00;05;27;24
Katie Pasitney
So we we've been in it for you out of 35 years. We've been in Edgewood for about 25 years. Atwood, British Columbia, Canada. We in, 2020. So we, this is a little bit of the backstory because we had this, some of the symptoms that we have right now, we had in, 20, 20, 24, mid December is when this all started with Canadian Food Inspection Agency.

00;05;27;27 - 00;05;56;18
Katie Pasitney
So when we, had symptoms in December of 2024, we were not too alarmed because we had these exact same symptoms in 2020. In 2020, we did have the appropriate, the protocols. We called our vet. The vet did a gold standard sample, which is a tissue sample, not a PCR test. And, that tissue sample came back positive for high amounts of, pseudonymous bacteria.

00;05;56;21 - 00;06;19;19
Katie Pasitney
So, at that time, we were a herd of about 300. We lost about ten. We had our own protocols in place, as I'm sure you know, any farmer would know when you have a large amount of animals, you're always worrying about their animal husbandry and care. And if one is sick, you're always isolating them and caring for them and creating your own quarantine behavior.

00;06;19;21 - 00;06;46;06
Katie Pasitney
And so here in December, we we started thinking, yeah, like these symptoms. Absolutely resemble the ones back in 2020, so that we must have pseudonymous back on our property. And that's what the kind of correlated with the time that we had about 300 to 500 mallard ducks drop into our farm and decided that they kind of wanted to just take house there because there's grains left over on the ground.

00;06;46;08 - 00;07;08;00
Katie Pasitney
And, it was an abnormally warmer winter. So we found out that this is mid-December 2024. Our vet said that, he or there was a message from the receptionist there that he would just went on holidays because it was Christmas, but he would be in touch with us right away. And we were going to get the tissue sample taken.

00;07;08;00 - 00;07;33;14
Katie Pasitney
And we've already. And then at the same time, we've already started our due diligence with our quarantining measures ourselves and cleaning the their their bowls and separating any that looked sick. And, and before we could, even our vet could get Ahold of us, back Ahold of us. The Canadian Food Inspection Agency called our farm with an anonymous tip that they were sure that we have avian influenza.

00;07;33;16 - 00;07;55;19
Katie Pasitney
So that was a little bit alarming in itself. When they said avian influenza, that didn't even it was very it was shocking to us because, avian influenza has not been found in ostriches in Canada ever before. Nor have we ever had a problem with it. And so we started explaining the symptoms that we were having on the farm, to Canadian Food Inspection Agency.

00;07;55;19 - 00;08;18;11
Katie Pasitney
And they they agreed that this does not sound like avian influenza. If, there was ostriches that would be sick. And we had a bunch that were sick getting better. Yes, we had fatalities, but we had fatalities. And 20, 20. And so they, we explained to them the symptoms that we had a bunch of them that had gotten sick, but now they're recovering.

00;08;18;13 - 00;08;41;13
Katie Pasitney
And they said yes. No, this doesn't sound like an avian influenza, because in a commercial poultry facility, you would be having 20 or 30,000, dead in 24, 36 hours, or more, more chickens. And that would even die overnight. And but this again, is a another commercial poultry situation where they're housed inside. They're they're touching wing.

00;08;41;13 - 00;09;15;28
Katie Pasitney
The wing, they're, circulating, you know, send the spring. They're kind of in an enclosed space. But our ostriches were outside, so they had, I believe, two. I mean, you have that it's benefit to being outside and having that natural air and exposed and, but it I guess it kind of didn't work in our favor because we do believe that this was brought by the mallard ducks, which we all know that there is a gene of, get a function, and a lab in Ohio that was testing and working with smaller ducks.

00;09;16;01 - 00;09;42;23
Katie Pasitney
So this this is all come to light now that, so a base to explain to us. Hey, do you mind if we can come to the farm and take a couple of tests for, avian influenza? And we said absolutely. No problem. But they requested two deceased animals. So they said, once you have two deceased, we will come and test these these animal, the birds and so we found them when we had two dead ostriches from their symptoms.

00;09;42;23 - 00;10;06;08
Katie Pasitney
And they came out, and these animals go laid on the ground for about 16 to 18 hours before they even took the test. So you don't know how was the how were they compromised? Did something bacterial or something get in, you know, was something around them or their environmental? But what happened after but they laid there for 16 to 18 hours that came out.

00;10;06;15 - 00;10;28;22
Katie Pasitney
They, proceeded to take two PCR tests of each animal, one oral and and one rectal of each animal. And, at the same time, we asked, hey, would it be possible for us to take, some of these tests and can we test one whole side of our farm that has never had a symptom has been we have not had one dead.

00;10;28;24 - 00;10;52;13
Katie Pasitney
We've they are they are doing amazing. They haven't skipped a beat since whatever's happening here, can we test our healthy ones? And could we test even the ones that have symptoms? And they said the no, sorry, that's not possible. So they denied our requests for, more of a control group study and to actually look at everybody rather than just picking the ones that were dead, because, I mean, you're you're almost right.

00;10;52;16 - 00;11;21;02
Katie Pasitney
You know, they're they had a narrative already. If you're going to test two dead animals, it's, you're going to get there's going to be something there, but you don't know what it's going to be. So they denied us the testing. Why this was important to us was because the one whole side of the farm that had not ever been sick from this, this whatever this is in December of 2020 for one whole side of our farm that has not never been sick.

00;11;21;09 - 00;11;49;28
Katie Pasitney
No deaths were the all the animals that were up on our farm 2020 prior. So it was kind of making sense that whatever we have now, all of our other more than half of our farm has already been exposed to, and they're they're not being affected by it. But this was denied by Canadian Food Inspection Agency. So they go up, they go away, they come back.

00;11;50;00 - 00;12;18;29
Katie Pasitney
Just a little explanation of our, our area to where we live because we're geographically quarantined almost in ourselves, because we are 135km away from a major city. So these tests from they left our farm at about 3:00 in the afternoon, got all the way back to Abbotsford, British Columbia, and we got a phone call by to by as early as 2:00 the next day saying we tested positive for H5n1 and our farm was slated to be called.

00;12;19;02 - 00;12;45;11
Katie Pasitney
And so we started panicking and going through all the, like going over our research. So this takes us to who we are, and we are not a commercial poultry facility. We are not for consumption. We don't sell our meat, we don't sell our eggs. In the last three years now, three and a half years, we've been a research facility and that has been working solely on were, the robust antibodies of an ostrich.

00;12;45;14 - 00;13;09;03
Katie Pasitney
And these are animals that have survived on this planet for the earliest, Solutio fossil, which is an ostrich fossil, is 21 million years ago. So these animals have survived on our planet long, a long, long, long time. And I think there's something to learn here. So my mom, she, found a gentleman. They found a gentleman in, in Japan.

00;13;09;03 - 00;13;37;17
Katie Pasitney
Kyoto, Japan. His name is Doctor Okamoto. He's also known as Doctor Ostrich in Japan because he has been working on this for years. And with the knowledge of how important an ostrich can be to our humanity in the future. And, they started working with his program and doing, inoculating, which is an antigen. So bringing in an antigen, injecting it into our ostriches.

00;13;37;19 - 00;14;00;04
Katie Pasitney
This is not a vaccination. This is not, you know, you have to be so careful with those words, but this is just, it is virus trace particles that are dead. There are no, no threat. But what it does is it just triggers their immune system to just like if we're exposed to some particles, we don't even know what we've been exposed to, but our body starts to generate antibodies.

00;14;00;07 - 00;14;18;29
Katie Pasitney
And the ostrich is within four weeks, so you could inject them with an antigen, for Covid 19 and or whatever virus sequence you might have, or a sequence of, the I always have to be careful with that, too, because I know some people are like, well, viruses don't exist. So people there's all these sides to it.

00;14;18;29 - 00;14;53;07
Katie Pasitney
So, you know, we're just working with what we can see are data that's proven what we know works. They get inoculated. And, and within four weeks that those robust antibodies come down into our ostriches egg and into the egg yolk. So from there, there's, patented process that, doctor supermodel has that we're, we're that we have now and, you would extract those antibodies from the ostrich egg, and with those antibodies, you can add create nutraceuticals.

00;14;53;07 - 00;15;13;04
Katie Pasitney
So you could create, lozenges, you could create, nasal sprays, you could do different things. We're now we're starting to we're just building up our immune system with the newest whatever, whatever is of threat. At the time, you could be treating your family with. So, ostrich.

00;15;13;04 - 00;15;18;21
Chrissy Wozniak
Egg is huge compared to a chicken egg. So I'm assuming you need a lot less. Yeah.

00;15;18;21 - 00;15;48;01
Katie Pasitney
So 24. So just the egg size is 24. Chicken eggs are in one ostrich egg. But when we're talking about antibodies, one ostrich egg can have up to, 100 chicken eggs worth of antibodies in just one egg. So we used, you know, countries are using chicken antibodies all over the world. So this is, this is just a way bigger egg, way bigger opportunity and way more robust antibodies.

00;15;48;04 - 00;16;19;24
Katie Pasitney
One ostrich egg is equivalent to the blood of 800 rabbits worth of antibodies. So those those, rabbits unfortunately have to get processed and, and to be able to use their blood for their antibodies. So there's no animal harm in using our research as well. Which is fascinating because we're major animal lovers. So we we want to we would would love the opportunity just to give them, the best life ever and try and get them to lay as many eggs and, and that that, that would be a.

00;16;19;25 - 00;16;46;22
Katie Pasitney
Yeah. No, nobody's hurt in the process. So we started, there was some interest out of a, lab in Quebec, a lab in Quebec that was ran by, chicken, chicken supporter, I guess government funding and the chicken government funding. And he said, absolutely. I'm really interested in just doing a test on one of your eggs and restore a couple of your eggs and look at the antibodies.

00;16;46;24 - 00;17;19;23
Katie Pasitney
So we sent him the the eggs, and he started to do some research on the eggs. And he came back to us with, he said, if all of your ostrich eggs are like this, this is groundbreaking. This is a game changer. And then he started to do some more research in science on, using our antibodies, the Covid 19 antibodies to, to, to treat, to see how we can treat Covid 19, the Covid 19 sequence, then the variant, all variants.

00;17;19;25 - 00;17;45;06
Katie Pasitney
So he came back to us with that. He with our proof and our studies showing, oh my gosh, your antibodies can actually neutralize the Covid 19 variants. And so we were ecstatic. We thought this is fantastic. This is perfect for for the world. This is great for humanity. We are doing something good. This is to feels amazing.

00;17;45;09 - 00;18;09;03
Katie Pasitney
No later than I think it was like a week later he his whole lab got bought out and he signed a non-disclosure, agreement and phoned us and said, sorry, I can't talk to you guys anymore. So you you kind of know you, you know, you start to think that wrong. Obviously you're onto something because know the right the wrong people don't want to hear it.

00;18;09;05 - 00;18;37;06
Katie Pasitney
Whereas you know, all of us that would love to hear it don't even get the opportunity to. And then from there, we just kept going with our program, researching the antibodies and, and we did reach out. My mom, God bless her soul. She's such a wonderful lady. But you want to trust your government. And my mom would go to the government just letting them know about our amazing program, about what we're working with and how this could help humanity.

00;18;37;09 - 00;19;06;20
Katie Pasitney
Well, not too long after, we get this anonymous tip that we're, they're sure that we have avian influenza. So we have been we were put on, quarantine on the 31st. That was 91 days ago. We've been on quarantine. We're 76 days. No symptomatic deaths. Sorry. I'm on a farm, for 76 days. No symptomatic deaths.

00;19;06;20 - 00;19;44;10
Katie Pasitney
Happy, healthy animals. Everybody has their herd immunity, which you would expect. Not one of our older ostriches from 2020 prior. I have. Still, none of them have gotten ill. None of them have gotten sick. But they, they just refuse, absolutely refuse to retest any of our animals to, to to even look at our research. On January 2nd, after we had been put on quarantine on January 2nd, they, called for, I'll zoom meeting.

00;19;44;13 - 00;20;17;25
Katie Pasitney
Oh. But with a whole bunch of had met, had officials that Canadian Food Inspection Agency taught people and they said, no, no, we're really interested in your research, actually. And then, we so my mom, for 5.5 hours bled her soul out of just intellect, property. And they wanted our business plan, and they wanted to know who we've talked to all of our vets, all the research and at the both a 5.5 hour, five hour mark, my mom said, have you already decided that you're killing our animals and you're just taking our information?

00;20;17;25 - 00;20;42;06
Katie Pasitney
And they said, no, no, no, we're really interested in your information that you have. And, now finding out through our court case that on December 30th, they already signed our kill order, so they weren't interested in our research, but they probed us and took a whole bunch of our intellect, property, and and I don't know, you know, if that's for what reason.

00;20;42;06 - 00;21;06;11
Katie Pasitney
I know that we are a big threat to Big Pharma because they're stamping our policy is stamping out natural immunity. And I hate when they say stamping out, and then they stop because the world needs to be more cautious that the stamping out policy is leading to stamping out natural immunity and stamping out natural immunity is going to lead us into a catastrophic disaster.

00;21;06;13 - 00;21;30;02
Katie Pasitney
As humanity, we will then solely be relying on vaccinations to survive. They and everybody will need them. And that is this is I mean, what a what a dream for someone as big as Big Pharma big. If everyone in the world needed to survive, they needed those antibody, those, vaccinations. Sorry. Just to survive because we don't get it from our chicken eggs anymore.

00;21;30;02 - 00;21;57;14
Katie Pasitney
We're not getting it from our natural meat. We're not getting it from our natural, any of our natural processes. So it's been, you know, it's been really alarming for that fight. On after January 2nd when we were done that, zoom call, January 2nd, we received a letter saying, congratulations, you qualify for for rare genetics, which would help which would help us become exempt.

00;21;57;16 - 00;22;28;00
Katie Pasitney
So we were super relieved. But by January 10th, well, then we get given an exemption package to fill out in this exemption package. It is, it directly states, it is for chicken, geese, turkeys and and ducks. It doesn't list in this exemption package, based on commercial poultry that anything to do with ostrich emu really which are all rat types that are in the rat type family.

00;22;28;02 - 00;22;50;08
Katie Pasitney
So this exemption package is solely created for commercial poultry farms. And we said to our caseworker, we can't fill this out properly because this is this is nothing to her. To protest isn't pertaining to us. This is nothing about us. We're a research facility. We are not enclosed. This has nothing to do with us. So should we got told at the time?

00;22;50;08 - 00;23;19;18
Katie Pasitney
Just fill it out. Because if you don't, then you're automatically not compliant and you will not qualify for an exemption. So we just filled it out the best we could. And by golly, on January 10th we get our our destruction letter that we do not qualify for general genetics anymore. So something happened between January 2nd and January 10th that we don't qualify for, rare genetics anymore.

00;23;19;20 - 00;23;42;01
Katie Pasitney
And, that by February 1st, we were supposed to have all of our, our ostriches killed by us and buried, and if we didn't do it by February 1st, they would bring in a third party contractor killer to kill all of our animals. And if we were, if we didn't do it by our own hand, we wouldn't see compensation.

00;23;42;03 - 00;24;03;16
Katie Pasitney
But if they are, we would see compensation. And if they came in and had to do it, well, then we wouldn't see compensation because we would be not, on some of their visits. You know, we've had alarming things that have happened just like, and it's on video where they've outright asked us, where do you store your Covid 19 antibodies?

00;24;03;18 - 00;24;35;03
Katie Pasitney
Why would you be asking us about our Covid 19 antibodies when when you're at our farm for H5n1? So, the, you know, they've been at our farm multiple times. They, we they see our animals, they're alive, happy and healthy. You know, my mom pleads with them and says, look at them. They have herd immunity. They're they're way safer and healthier, are safer and, a more of a benefit to the world alive than they are to be killed.

00;24;35;03 - 00;25;14;01
Katie Pasitney
And us bringing in a whole bunch of 400 young ostriches which have no immune system. And they're they're exposed. They're exposed to the mallard ducks again. So they're going to contract whatever is is floating around, and they're all going to have to be killed again. So our like, you know, you start to connect all the dots and go, well, if the farmers all gave up that, you know, it benefits big Pharma because they do want and, and Bill gates and the people who want to see processed meat because farmers are only going to do that a couple times until they finally just say.

00;25;14;03 - 00;25;15;01
Chrissy Wozniak
Well, that's it.

00;25;15;04 - 00;25;36;17
Katie Pasitney
Too much. Yeah. And as long as we have migratory birds in the world, nowhere in the world will ever be avian influenza free. So how can we work on it? How can we work on stabilizing the, you know, bringing a solution to the table? And that's what we keep pleading with. The Canadian Food Inspection Agency has let us re retest our animals.

00;25;36;19 - 00;26;14;11
Katie Pasitney
They have threatened us a $250,000 fine and or six months in jail if we test our own animals. They. Yeah, it's it is so serious. It is a dictatorship of an organization that is one track minded on stamping out to just kill, kill, kill, kill, kill with no accountability for the for the consequences that are going to be, follow this, which is a total breakdown and natural immunity, which is, you know, that'll bring on Teutonic diseases, a breakdown in our ecosystems.

00;26;14;16 - 00;26;38;04
Katie Pasitney
We're talking about. Humanity is at risk if we keep going around the world and killing all animals that have an immune system, rather than searching for the ones that have the immune system and the survivors of our flock. If there's five chickens that survived out of 10,000 that in a barn, those five chickens should be treated like gold.

00;26;38;04 - 00;27;15;08
Katie Pasitney
They should be put in the most comfiest bedding. They should be made. Try to try to get them to lay as many eggs as possible. We should be hatching their eggs. We should be using these animals as bob as our future, because those are the ones that we want to help protect our immune system. As as individuals, there is there's so much and I know I try to always get it all in, but I we are sitting with science here in Edgewood, British Columbia, Canada, that we have science that can revolutionize how we treat diseases and viruses.

00;27;15;10 - 00;27;47;00
Katie Pasitney
And the Canadian government wants it killed before the world even gets a chance to to use it. We are in a crime. It is a crime. It is a crime. It is absolutely a crime. And, they're they're every they're told solely relying on they say their trading partner policies, which is ran its governance by the World Health Organization, which is governed by the UN and our trading partner policies are outdated.

00;27;47;03 - 00;28;11;13
Katie Pasitney
They have nothing in there that support animal or human. Well, our health, they don't they're not looking at the future. They're just like they, they think stamping out and eradicating everything is going to be the answer. And we are setting ourselves up for for a real world of hurt here. And we are running out of time.

00;28;11;16 - 00;28;37;05
Katie Pasitney
Again, we got our injunction at, January 31st. That injunction won us the right to a judicial review. Our judicial review is on April 15th and 16th. We have close lawyers working on this day and night. We are putting motions and written arguments into why this court order should have never been signed in the first place.

00;28;37;08 - 00;28;55;17
Katie Pasitney
And we are we are, we are trying to stand up for science and truth, and we are trying to protect every other farm out there, because if they're just preoccupied with us right now, and once they're, done with us, they're moving on to the next farm. But we need to stop them here. And that's what we're trying to be.

00;28;55;17 - 00;29;29;04
Katie Pasitney
Is that roadblock can change policy for the world. Because if we don't stop it here, then there is no stopping them. It's now or never. And, I think we just need to understand the severity of the situation because their mandate is to test, quarantine, kill, compensate. They don't have help the farmer, no agricultural outlook on, on what that looks like to the to the the damage that they're going to cause to livelihoods to our agricultural sectors.

00;29;29;12 - 00;29;52;13
Katie Pasitney
And this is affecting every industry. So it's the beef, it's the dairy. It's the swine. It's it's our ostriches. It's our scientists are poultry. And so I really want to put a plea out to every organization out there to please help us win this battle, because we are setting a precedent that can stop them from their overreach.

00;29;52;16 - 00;30;25;06
Katie Pasitney
And this is global. So if we can set a precedent here, we're directly working and, you know, we can come, help, you know, like Mindy, Patterson with the cavalry group. What a wonderful organization. It's just like that, standing up, setting precedents, standing up for our agricultural rights. A property rights, a right to raise animals and our right to have sustainable, healthy farms that produce quality, nutrition for the world.

00;30;25;08 - 00;30;58;07
Katie Pasitney
And if that is stripped away from us, we're going to only be left with processed meat. And we need to stand up for that. So at some, it's a lot, I know, but, yeah, we yeah, this judicial review is very important because, we need as much support as possible. Lawyers aren't free. They are. Our bills are climbing fast because that's the government wants to use up all your resources and see you fall, and that's how they win.

00;30;58;09 - 00;31;24;12
Katie Pasitney
So we are asking the world to keep watching, but please support us. However, which way you can because we're trying to support everybody. And, we're even looking at trying to set up a foundation where that money could go into a foundation. And then when we are done our legal fight here, then that money can go and then help the next farm and the next farm globally and help.

00;31;24;14 - 00;31;30;28
Katie Pasitney
Yeah, help fight the tyranny because it's, it's government overreach at its highest right now.

00;31;31;00 - 00;31;37;09
Chrissy Wozniak
Yes, absolutely. So where can people go, to find out more and then also to donate.

00;31;37;12 - 00;32;10;04
Katie Pasitney
Yeah. You can go to Save our ostriches.com is a great, website. It's kind of got everything from the beginning and early interviews and stuff. Right from right from the beginning. It also has the links for Go Gibson, Go Go Fund Me and an email on there for direct transfers. All that money right now is going towards, just some food for the animals and legal costs because we've been stripped away from making any income at the farm since we've been on quarantine.

00;32;10;04 - 00;32;34;16
Katie Pasitney
They blocked off. We're not allowed to sell quicker creams and stuff from a year ago that we were we had a skincare line and and then we were selling we would we're promoting to set people setting up satellite farms because we're trying to create farms all around the world that could be part of this antibiotic program, that because we're going to need lots of antibodies.

00;32;34;18 - 00;33;03;12
Katie Pasitney
So all that was halted and sales and everything. So we have been solely relying, been relying on donations and the supporters that are out there, you know, it's yeah, I don't there's been so much that has happened, but it is so scary when your government is threatening you. Jail time to test your own animals. There has to be something to hide because, another really big piece that just came, forward.

00;33;03;14 - 00;33;23;22
Katie Pasitney
We went and got our own blood tested because we're not in the quarantine, and, all of our blood. My mom's mine and her business partner, all of us, all of our blood came back positive for the H5n1. So, where we had or with antibodies. Antibodies? Yeah. So.

00;33;23;24 - 00;33;24;10
Chrissy Wozniak
Yes.

00;33;24;12 - 00;33;55;16
Katie Pasitney
We have been exposed to it. We're all happy, healthy. We we didn't die from symptoms or get hospitalized. I think it's very important that the world knows that that, you know, our government is fear mongering. And I'm not going to say that someone's not going to get hospitalized with it, but people get hospitalized with the flu. So I, you know, I just want to put it into perspective here that I think that instead of just the mandate to kill, I think we need to start to test.

00;33;55;18 - 00;34;21;01
Katie Pasitney
We need to start to test our animals for antibodies. We need to start to protect our natural immunity. Otherwise, we're just going to turn on the TV, listen to how H5n1 is the next scariest, worst, most, you know, the detrimental thing to mankind. And all of our animals are at risk because they're outside my our, you know, with the migratory birds.

00;34;21;03 - 00;34;41;03
Katie Pasitney
So all our to our animals, they've made it very clear that all outdoor animals are of a risk to because they are exposed to migratory birds. So what are you going to do, kill all the migratory birds? And that's, They actually said that to us. Canadian Food Inspection Agency came in and sat at our table having coffee.

00;34;41;03 - 00;35;09;04
Katie Pasitney
And here we are, the most infected farm, having coffee, eating muffins. And I said, what are you going to do with the mallard ducks? And they said, well, that's wildlife. What are you going to do? Kill, kill all wildlife? That's absurd. And I was like, well, then you're going to sow killing 400 ostriches with nothing but research and science that are flightless, and they're in a quarantine, and there's only two people that are going in there that's going to save humanity.

00;35;09;07 - 00;35;35;05
Katie Pasitney
Like it's not. It's, so we're we're fighting for the thing right now. We're fighting to, for to be able to test our ostrich egg, eggs and ostrich egg from the quarantine zone right now, because we have a scientist in Canada saying with 300 micrograms of that egg yolk, not of a threat to any public risk, no, nobody is going to be at risk here.

00;35;35;07 - 00;35;53;09
Katie Pasitney
I can prove that these animals are not shedding and that they have they have their have no public health risk. But the Canadian Food Inspection Agency said absolutely not, that this would prohibit or, prohibit them from carrying out their mandate.

00;35;53;12 - 00;36;04;12
Chrissy Wozniak
Wow. And tell me more about this process. I know it's difficult, but the killing process, they are expecting you to do it. And if you don't, what happens then?

00;36;04;15 - 00;36;29;14
Katie Pasitney
They they bring in a third party that they have to hire because this is not their area of expertise. So they're hiring someone to come into your farm and kill your animals with no ever hands on. They don't know these animals. They don't understand these animals. It will cause mass panic in our ostriches. In our case, our ostriches are so used to my mom and her business partner.

00;36;29;16 - 00;36;57;16
Katie Pasitney
They know my mom can name them all. They all have names. They all have, personalities. They all they, So they recognize my mom, they recognize us, they recognize our business partners. So you bring in a bunch of strangers that are going to try their best way because they've never killed an ostrich before, and they're going to come and try to kill almost 400 healthy ostriches that run 65 miles an hour.

00;36;57;18 - 00;37;03;01
Katie Pasitney
And, rather than work with us and say, hey, no.

00;37;03;07 - 00;37;05;05
Chrissy Wozniak
What happens with the bodies?

00;37;05;07 - 00;37;30;14
Katie Pasitney
So the for us, they said that they were fine with burying this awful H5n1 in our back in our hayfield. They're like, as long as it's a nine meter hole deep or nine foot hole deep and six meters apart, it's you guys. Yeah. You just dig a hole, and then you would be burying all these carcasses and, it nothing makes sense.

00;37;30;14 - 00;37;52;08
Katie Pasitney
Like. So we're we're we have this most is most often the are the craziest strain of H5n1. And you're okay with us bringing it all in a back in our hayfield. So I don't know how they, how they I don't know how they would them personally. They've outright asked us if we were to kill them. How would we do it?

00;37;52;10 - 00;37;53;02
Katie Pasitney
Humanely.

00;37;53;02 - 00;37;55;23
Chrissy Wozniak
Good. Oh, so they they don't know. So. Yeah.

00;37;55;25 - 00;38;29;10
Katie Pasitney
Yeah, we've we've we've had leaked footage from their, their meetings where, somebody said they were outright asking. They were thinking about putting hay bales in a square in a field and then running them into the square and shooting them like, these are healthy animals. I want to just keep like, putting that picture out there. So I mean it come to your your farm with dairy cows, one dairy cow test positive and Deborah all of them have to die rather than testing them all, isolating them, keeping them safe, letting them run its course.

00;38;29;10 - 00;39;00;13
Katie Pasitney
The milk doesn't get sold. Help, help everybody help! The farms remain existent. Don't eradicate them. So at some it is scary that you you pose that that that risk. But there was an article on CTV and it was regarding the Shelly's farm and the Shelly farm. They came they had a bunch of exotic birds and they said, your all your birds have to be put down due to avian influenza.

00;39;00;16 - 00;39;19;06
Katie Pasitney
They were shocked. I don't know the back back story on this. If maybe one of theirs was to got sick. But they were told you've had their watch. Your birds die a horrible disease and you're not going to get compensated, or you're going to allow us to come in and we will kill your animals for you, and you'll get compensated.

00;39;19;09 - 00;39;40;20
Katie Pasitney
So this little family decides that, I guess the best thing to do is to allow them to come in and kill their animals. Well, the, they came back to, heads of their exotic birds left on the ground. One of their birds wasn't even fully dead. There was blood all over. This is the little family. I got goosebumps and everything.

00;39;40;22 - 00;40;11;13
Katie Pasitney
It does make me emotional. Sorry. Because, you can only imagine. These are the animals that you. You love. Even if you're a cattle rancher. You love your animals. You care about your animals. You know, you want them to be strong. You want them to have good immunity. You want them to be able to go out there, and you want to be able to genuinely bring something good to the world, whether it's nutrition, whether it's research in science in a positive way.

00;40;11;16 - 00;40;44;22
Katie Pasitney
As animal owners and farmers, you take great pride in your animals. So to come home or just watch overnight, somebody come in and eradicate, kill all your animals without any proper testing. Relying on two PCR tests, not taking into account any of our science and our truths. Just because policy says that they have to, we are in a real problem.

00;40;44;22 - 00;41;11;26
Katie Pasitney
We have a problem globally, and we need to stand up because all of our, all of our agricultural systems, our farms and our industries are at risk. And you guys see that more than anybody with the egg shortage or did and you guys are moving in the right direction, at least, you know, I don't I know that Trump has just and, Bobby Kennedy is really trying to push for some really positive changes within your health care system, in your health system.

00;41;11;26 - 00;41;44;28
Katie Pasitney
And I think, now it's now or never for us because Canada is trying to shield this opportunity from the world and kill it before the world gets to actually try to use this in our agricultural industries, we could use these antibodies and foggers and commercial poultry farms. So that the commercial poultry flock or inhaling these antibodies, we could be treating them naturally with something that where we don't have to start, just keep killing, killing and killing millions of animals.

00;41;45;00 - 00;42;00;02
Katie Pasitney
We could we could treat these animals. We even said we could treat highly populated, migratory bird zones by creating a fogging machine and putting food in there and trying to do large groups of them at once. Because even if a bunch.

00;42;00;02 - 00;42;02;18
Chrissy Wozniak
Of imagine how amazing that could be.

00;42;02;21 - 00;42;31;19
Katie Pasitney
Right? Yeah. And so we just want, we are seeking right now as much support as possible. Every dollar counts because unfortunately the the lawyers need to be paid. We have really great lawyers really trying to work with us, as much as we can. We but we have raised over $60,000 since January 16th, which we've paid in legal fees, but we do have we've had multiple court dates.

00;42;31;19 - 00;43;12;15
Katie Pasitney
We have an appeal, that is lingering. They put in lots more of motions and, just antics. And they've tried to sign us and they are trying to there's so many different things that have gone on. But we, we do have another we have over about $100,000 in legal fees that are outstanding. Because this has been such an intricate, deep case, pulling on expertise and areas that the lawyer, too, had to educate himself because not a lot of lawyers wanted to touch this being such a high profile federal government case.

00;43;12;17 - 00;43;29;18
Katie Pasitney
So, yeah, that's like an urgent plea to call to action for our all of our farmers from the US and Canada that we all stand together, united and stop the tyranny and stop the mass killings and try to save our science that we have here to.

00;43;29;18 - 00;43;54;29
Chrissy Wozniak
Yeah. And and thank you for standing up. It's it takes so much bravery to put yourself in that public eye and, you know, put a big, huge target on your backs. But thank you. Thank you from the US and through Canada. You know, we need more people like you to stand up. And to everyone else who's out there listening, be sure to share this story.

00;43;55;02 - 00;44;21;06
Chrissy Wozniak
I know a lot of my podcasting friends were just trying to get her out and her story told. Share this story. And and again, if you have the means, please donate to this cause, the, the as we've seen over the last five years, this government treachery has to stop. There is not one bit of sense in anything you've said about this story.

00;44;21;09 - 00;44;40;08
Chrissy Wozniak
It makes no sense at all. We don't want it in Canada. We don't want it here. And, Yeah, it's just time to stand up and say no to this. So yeah. Thank you. Thank you for telling your story. Thank you for not just rolling over and saying, you know, and hiding what could be one of the greatest breakthroughs.

00;44;40;11 - 00;44;43;03
Katie Pasitney
You know? Yeah. I'm not so.

00;44;43;03 - 00;44;44;18
Chrissy Wozniak
Sure you're going through this.

00;44;44;20 - 00;45;15;19
Katie Pasitney
I appreciate your sympathy and your support. I it's been a long journey. I've every day trying to find the loophole story. Yeah. Try to find the loophole that, is going to allow us to use the research to better humanity and save the research and save the animals that could, could create. Yeah. Could add so much, so much benefit to the world.

00;45;15;24 - 00;45;21;23
Katie Pasitney
I just it's, We need to. We need to save them. We need to save them, and we need to save the science.

00;45;21;23 - 00;45;39;03
Chrissy Wozniak
Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you, Katie, so much for joining me today. And, mean all of the all of the charities listening, although the links will be in the show notes as well. But yeah, thank you so much. And, we will do our best to get this spread far and wide.

00;45;39;06 - 00;45;44;24
Katie Pasitney
I appreciate you. Thank you so much. And thank you very much to your audience for listening.

00;45;44;27 - 00;45;53;07
Chrissy Wozniak
Thank you. And keep us posted as we go on. I will definitely want you to come back on and hopefully we have a good end to the story.

00;45;53;09 - 00;46;03;17
Katie Pasitney
Yes, I will, I will let you know as the weeks that we have 14 days till judicial review, so I will, I'll keep you posted for sure.

00;46;03;20 - 00;46;22;28
Chrissy Wozniak
Awesome. And yeah, to all, all of the listeners, the links are in the show notes. Don't forget to subscribe North American Spotlight. Spotify, Apple, Amazon. Listen notes if you prefer. Video. We're also on Rumble, and telegram. And if you like the episode, get out there and share it. Get this message. Brett, thank you so much.

00;46;23;00 - 00;46;23;08
Chrissy Wozniak
Thank.