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Back again with a new episode. We discuss Kendrick Lamar vs Drake, Drake position in Rap, the importance of being an Artist vs artist and the importance of taking your time.
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Music Enthusiasts Discuss Kendrick vs Drake
Speaker 1yo , what's good ? Welcome back to another episode of the henny nice podcast . As always , I'm your host , your brother jay white . First things first , make sure you like and subscribe to the podcast . Wherever you're listening to this at Whether it's Apple , whether it's Spotify , whether it's SoundCloud , whether it's Google , whether it's Pandora Make sure you tab in with the podcast , like and share and , as always , I appreciate the support and then also , with that , click that link in the show notes . That link tree will take you to everything Jay White related . You can find the podcast links . You can also find any nice merch there as well . So if you want a t-shirt , you want a hoodie , go ahead , cop that . So all that is in the show notes . Again , click that link in the show notes and it'll take you to everything you need . And again , I appreciate the support . So we waiting for the homie to get on the podcast , but I have . It's been a minute since . Yeah , like october . Was that october when you was in ?
Speaker 1yeah , you was in in town for homecoming , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , that's been a minute sheesh time flying and shit like that , but I know you recognize the voice or whatever . Brother mars has come back to the henny nights podcast and he's smoking one relaxing and shit .
Speaker 1Real nigga activity amen but , um , my homeboy should be jumping on our homeboy . I'm saying it like this nigga don't know him , but our homeboy should be joining us um soon . You know , he had to deal with something real quick . Make shout out to everybody in houston and dallas and all that . Make sure y'all stay safe . You know , I'm saying y'all got crazy weather . Global warming is a motherfucker . But um , yeah , man , brother mars is on the podcast with me . It's and I wanted to get go ahead , go ahead no , I was gonna say it's crazy .
Speaker 4I waited on him to pop on and actually say his name . He visited Chicago recently . We was hitting each other up to link and all that Didn't get to actually catch him outside of work . But while I show up at the office , this nigga recognized my voice , turned around and my job . We work for partner agencies , type shit . I'm like , oh , this is crazy okay that's what's up .
Speaker 1That's what's up . Yeah shit , I might have to uh pull up to the gig when I get there , nigga , you know what I'm saying absolutely g yeah pull up to the gig see what's popping . Nigga , yeah , I'll be up there thursday . Hey bet I got room on the couch for you , my boy oh , that's already squared away .
Speaker 1I'm not coming along , nigga , but you know we'll be up there for a little second . So you know I'm going to tap in and see what nigga's on . Okay , bet , bet , bet . But yeah . So the subject matter of the podcast today is around . I mean , it's a bachelor's brand , unattached affair , slash , uh , neo cliff , you know , link up and shit like that , because a lot has been happening in music and I wanted to get you know the homies on to talk about music and what's going on . I don't think I've had both of y'all on the same podcast since the last beat that this nigga drake in . I low-key think , damn .
Speaker 1Ironically funny enough the last time I think I had both of y'all on at the same time . Drake was into it with Push and niggas had a conversation around that as music lovers and shit like that . This nigga Mars is like a music enthusiast historian slash nigga and shit like that . This nigga Mars is like a music enthusiast historian slash nigga and shit like that . Enthusiast nigga , you know . But so it's been like what ? Two months now since the initial bullshit , Like maybe even a month and a half .
Speaker 4Yeah , yeah , yeah , somewhere around that .
Speaker 1Somewhere around there since the beef of probably the last 10 , 15 years , wrestlemania type shit has kicked off or whatever . I think it's a good time , now that the noise has died down or whatever , to circle back to it and talk about it or whatever . But I feel like , speaking for you , I think we're both in agreement that kendrick won this shit , right , yes , absolutely okay , cool , cool , cool . So you have had like you don't ? You don't hate drake . Let me say that you don't hate drake . You know I'm . You don't hate Drake . You even gave him more credit than I thought you would give him and shit like that . But you have some very interesting takes about the situation and leading up to the beef and why you were like , yeah , kendrick is going to get this nigga or whatever , and so it's based around just , it's based around facts . You know , I think that gets lost when people you know take up for it their favorites and shit like that right right .
Speaker 1Facts tend to go out the window and a lot of people tend to use the excuse of well , this man has this many number ones and has this type of success right down to actually the skill of rapping and actually putting together bars and putting together that shit that gives you makes you make the face like oh , this nigga going in and shit like that . So I wanted to get y'all on to talk about the beef or whatever . Like I said , you have some very interesting takes . Clearly , the floor is yours right now . I want you to share your takes about Kendrick versus Drake and your takes on Drake in general . Go ahead , bro .
Speaker 4I just had to take a little shot at the mezcal man . I had to loosen up . This gonna be a doozy . Um , okay , where do I start ? I guess I will start with the the good first , because I'm I'm probably gonna go in on buddy a little bit , not super intentionally , because , like you said , I actually I'd actually do like drake .
Speaker 4I wouldn't say I'm like in the higher end fan category because it's a lot of things I don't necessarily respect or like about him , but I'm like enough of a fan of his music , so I'll start there . Then I will say he is really good . This is in the wake of several exposés is in the wake of several exposés . We living in a day right now where niggas is dropping new leaks of reference tracks that he got from other niggas . So you know , all things considered , even with having ghostwriters and reference tracks and all these other things , I actually still do think that he is a generational talent and one of the best rappers to ever do it .
Analyzing Drake's Impact on Hip-Hop
Speaker 4My beef is actually not really , because he's a phenomenal songwriter as well . Even with the R&B shit , which is typically kind of where I tend to fall off from him , he got some shit , but like that's a lot of people really like R&B Drake . I'm not a big R&B person in general , as you know , and the type of shit that I like is like , you know , we get in our usher bag or something like that , but I fuck with motherfuckers who can sing , who got soul , things like that . And Drake is not that . But he's a damn good songwriter .
Speaker 1He can hum a good tune , you know , yeah yeah , you definitely give me more neo-soul vibes , for sure , yeah .
Speaker 4Niggas love that one . But it's true , I do um , but I also , you know I I fuck with , I mean shit it's . It sucks . And I don't really play his music , no more either . But like my mama was a big r kelly fan growing up , so like I fuck with that . But r kelly had soul . Like you could hear that shit in the nigga voice yeah , it is from the church , yeah exactly .
Speaker 4And like he also black , and not just like black black . Like oh yeah , I have a black parent . I'm from like some sort of uh , from africa slave lineage . Like he is a nigga and that is really my big gripe against drake at this point one . He just never was a real nigga to me . Um , but because this is also the most dominant and influential music genre , as well as culture , in the world , like I just didn't think , I didn't find him fitting to be the face of hip-hop as it grew to this global prominence and dominance over the last decade really about 10 , 15 years at this point . Like healthily , what Drake dropped so far gone at 09 . I was a big Drake fan back then . I know me and you . We was rocking with like Replacement Girl . Replacement Girl was my green top .
Speaker 1Oh my . God at a particular point .
Speaker 4So like I was really rocking with him . He was a little more hip hoppy back there . I just really liked him because of his approach to rapping and song making and concepts . It was smoother you know he's still smooth nowadays but I did resonate with that particular drake . I was even a big , big fan enough of the guy .
Speaker 4When so far gone , dropped , like I stayed up . You know that was back when niggas was blogging and everything still . I was up here but like yeah , um , shit , my man's Christian he was my roommate at the time or whatever and two , we say downtown Chicago , um , and I was up till maybe three , four in the morning waiting on like fucking two dope boys to drop it so I could post it on my blog , then go to sleep before class . So like it's not like I'm , I'm like I didn't never really like him anything like that and that was with him , kind of like singing and all the other shit . But the thing that really happened was his first . It's them three albums , the first three albums which are really big for him , and I think those are very defining moments for how Drake has connected , connected with people , how he got so many fans . You know a lot of like early hits and things like that . You really are starting to craft like he's starting to craft like the drake that we know him as today .
Speaker 4During this era , and a lot of his stuff was , um , it's just , it lacked a particular rawness that I appreciate about music in general , but especially black music . Um , it was a little too poppy , um , it got gradually and gradually like more refined and cleaned up and systematic over um a while . Like drake has a system to the music that he makes and he's been really well at it , you know and I don't want to hate on man's success because I do think he's got a lot of really big songs that I like as well um , but when I look at the overall body of work , I just kind of it lacked a particular sense of adventure and ambition as an artist , capital , a artist that I personally just like , really admire and respect about musicians Because , like , even with somebody like a Hov , you know , like we know , kanye is on that list , shit like that , or whatever . Even with somebody like a ho , you know , like we know , kanye is on that list , shit like that , or whatever . Hell , rocky tries shit out , travis tries shit out , you know , obviously like more underground , less popular artists , they experiment all the time because they're not necessarily in the mainstream . So you have a little bit more freedom with that . Wayne tried shit out .
Speaker 4You know , drake just never showed me any true artistic ambition . Drake just never showed me any true artistic ambition , and hard work and output is one thing , but it just started to feel very commodified and McDonaldsy after a while . He did pick back up with me though If you're reading this it's too late was my shit ? Fucking views , my shit , more life , my shit . I actually DJ quite a bit of like , honestly , never mind , like it's some good . You know I dj's house music and shit . So yeah , for sure I slide shit like that in , but like the songs themselves be feeling kind of empty .
Speaker 4Um , and then he also just kind of became the poster child for pretty much , bro , I ain't gonna lie , they not like us , bro , like white people and like non-black americans to like feel like they have a seat at the table in hip hop . Because hip hop was global in the 80s and the 90s . You know , run DMC in Japan , adidas and yada , yada , yada Niggas was doing world tours before Drake came around , that era of like social media , exchanging of ideas , content creation , everybody feeling like they have a valid opinion on particular things . All of this shit happened during the rise of drake as well , and I just didn't really feel like he should have been the face of hip-hop .
Speaker 4I didn't necessarily feel like kendrick was immediately back in , like 2012 or no shit like that , but over the course of the last 10 , 15 years it was very apparent , because it's not just like hip-hop , it's also black music as well and black american culture that's getting projected around to the rest of the world , and this thing of drake not even from america , bro . So , yeah , that that's that's kind of where I was feeling like , oh shit . Not to mention , kendrick lamar is technically skilled as a better mc , and that's with all due respect to dred , because he's really really good . I do think , like the ghost writing that impacts his legacy quite a bit , because it's just way too many of them now at this point . A few of them here and there . It's whatever you know , like fucking dr dre got fucking steel dre written by jay-z and shit like that .
Speaker 1So it's right but motherfuckers wasn't looking at dre like a top tier right , I mean , yeah , he a producer like , like , a art like artist . Yeah , like you know , the chronic is yeah and we'll talk about that and the Chronic 2000 and shit like that , but Muggs weren't . Yeah , yeah , facts . But nobody was looking to dress like yeah , nigga , that nigga got top tier bars .
Speaker 3You know what I'm saying ? Right right , right , right right . He didn't need to do .
Speaker 1It was more so his production that really got it . He really got it . It's rare Excuse me , it's rare that you had a combo with somebody . That's what made kanye so special . Right exactly is that kanye had the production on lock , but he also his lyrics , speaking to the fact that you felt something right . Motherfuckers know how it feel to be working a job that you didn't want to fucking work , right right , that's why spaceships resonated so bad .
Speaker 1You know so much motherfuckers knew what it was like to deal with uh , with a heartbreak and and uh , a bitch . That ain't shit . That's why heartless man resonates so well .
Speaker 4Anyways , I need to revisit that one . And also , I mean , you know he was a pioneer in the game changes like we wouldn't have a drake because drake's door wouldn't have been open for him the way it was . Without someone like a kanye west , like travis scott , like he also became like this prototype prototype for , like , being a producer rapper , like that wasn't really a thing where you was like the man and doing it . Yeah , alchemist had album , pete rock had albums , but like kanye west was a superstar .
Speaker 1So yeah , yeah , yeah and in contrary to the belief of the internet , drake is not the first rapper to introduce melodic sounds or singing to songs . Nigga , have you ever heard , heard bone thugs have ? You ever heard fucking even , even twister have you ? Heard of nelly , like ja , rule for the jokes that , motherfuckers have about ja rule .
Speaker 1He was a game changer too john rule is a game changer , nigga , so much so that 50 , you know , even though 51 to be 50 , copy that formula , bro so , like sure , because it was a winning formula , bro , the music do feel good , bro , yeah it , it , it hit .
Speaker 1Yeah , exactly so , um , but yeah , I definitely agree with you on
Authenticity in Music Industry
Speaker 1the whole . Like drake , so even before , even before so far gone , but , like you said , replacement girl and come and come , come back season he was , he was rapping or the more earthy tone beats and stuff and stuff like that , but it was , it was relatable . It was a rapper who was like nigga , I'm really trying to make it and chase , chase this , this dream of you know being , you know , one of one of the best , or whatever .
Speaker 1And so it's just interesting to to see a 37 year old like at this stage of his career , even though and it's funny because you said , experiment with sounds and I feel like , honestly , never mind , I'll give him credit for that , for experimenting with that house music type you know , yeah , you're , I guess , european type , you know whatever , um , but to that extent it felt like I don't know it , just it felt , it felt like cosplaying you know , like it didn't like you said it didn't feel , feel genuine . Granted , it was still some bops right and and the machine , like you say , can put , can put out pops and things like that .
Speaker 1Like you said , it's well manicured , it's well , it's a together package and things like that , but it didn't feel like I don't know . It didn't feel like it was , um , I'm accepting part of the culture . Yeah , yeah , yeah , like I'm really I'm really trying to figure this shit out . I really , you know , I like the unique sound . It just feels like , yeah , I'm trying to , I'm gonna monetize it right yeah , yeah .
Speaker 1So it's funny that that , that you , you know you mentioned that or whatever , and then on the other side you have kendrick who again has does show that authenticity or whatnot . I'm not gonna sit up here and say , uh , mr morale was like my favorite album in the world . It was a hard listen to me because , like I thought , it is a hard like I told the homie art sometimes , yeah , yeah , it's not , it's not easy to listen to . For sure , yeah , um I visual art .
Speaker 4you , you go to the museum Like niggas be liking Basquiat .
Speaker 4but I don't be thinking niggas like get Basquiat , bro Like that's a lot of shit to really like sit with for a while before you can really start to decide .
Speaker 4Same with like jazz and shit , bro , you know , like , and you know obviously it's me talking , so that's my particular preference . But , like that's right now is a moment where I can say see , I told you so because everything ain't necessarily always that deep , but now we're talking about some shit and it actually shows how deep it actually can be underneath the surface , when niggas actually stop , think and start talking about this shit . Because if we just playing music , that's what , like most of them said , it's likable . It's likable , you know , and drake's music is very likable and some people like it more than others . But I do think and , like I say , in this social media area where everybody has a voice , it's too many motherfuckers that have voices and platforms that don't be knowing what the fuck they talking about either , from the sense that , like , they don't really have good taste or they don't have a lot of knowledge and context on things , and it's okay to just like , like something and just say I like it .
Speaker 4You don't have to have an explanation for it . But as soon as niggas start saying more about some shit , like , oh , you actually don't know music for real , you don't really know fashion , you don't really know art for real . The same way you know and I'm not a heavy sports guy I watch it . But I don't want to sit the fuck back and let the other niggas talk about sports as well , because I'm not that . I'm not as deep into that . I'm an art nigga for real . I just enjoy sports as well
Impact of Music Journalism and Algorithm
Speaker 4.
Speaker 4But niggas be getting up and fucking getting on that soapbox and talking , talking , talking . It's really bro , you don't know what the fuck you're talking about . Like Mos Def is actually . He's respected as a and I'm it's not in defense of Mos , that's just the last name I thought of but like Mos Def's opinion is valid One , because a nigga like Drake does really like him . I know that hurt his fucking feelings , but Mos Def has the respect of all of his peers in the industry . Niggas know he a good mc already . They respect this art , bro , like these are artists .
Speaker 4These niggas be listening to the blues and jazz and underground niggas about the mock hobby nigga I always be talking about . I got a picture with jay-z with that nigga bro , like ho , like that weird rappity rap shit . But he's one of them . He's from that community niggas , because he's out here , bro you . He's from that community Niggas , be custies out here , bro .
Speaker 4You just a regular customer and you think that just because you complaining to the manager right now , you're going to change the narrative or the rules of this bitch ? The rules ain't changed , bro . The rules have not changed . So sit back , shut the fuck up . Maybe do some homework and learn some shit real quick . And niggas don't be learning shit . The worst thing , one of the worst things about the Drake situation to me that harms his brand , is the type of niggas that came out in defense of him in the moment . Why would you even want to be associated with that fan base , bro ? They all lame . They all lame , all of them , from the Joe Budden podcast nigga to the niggas on Twitter , bro , they all lame . I've not seen a single cool nigga be like hey , drake got this one for real . That has not happened .
Speaker 1Yeah , that's yeah . Every single body that's been like nah , drake won this and we were speaking and we were kind of speaking about that . It's like the barometer is like this nigga and granted , they're . And the the digital age , streaming age has changed a lot of rules . Rules to this shit . You don't , you no longer have to go out and physically buy anything right , it's a good and a bad thing .
Speaker 1The good thing is you have a wider access to a variety of different sounds and artists to go down a rabbit hole and actually discover and be like , oh shit , I actually like how this sounds from different regions from different cultures and things like that .
Speaker 1But when you rely on , like you said , a curated , manicured playlist that is all the most popular shit , you don't branch out Again , you don't take risks , you don't go and find some one-off shits . That's what the blog era was all about . It was like , oh shit , going to find some new shit , check out this new artist or whatever , and go down that rabbit hole . Or go on that piff and download their whole discography of mixtapes . If you like this song , check out all their work and stuff like that .
Speaker 1Like I don't think consumers do that and not .
Speaker 4Everything is spoon-fed to it . You don't have to work hard anymore . Honestly , spotify , get niggas through , bro . I'm not a Spotify person , I'm a real digger . That ain't even why I'm on Apple Music . I just don't fuck with Spotify in general . I don't rely on no algorithm . I will do a radio show , an actual curator of programming , choosing music , some online shit , because regular radio is pretty fucked up too these days .
Speaker 1I wish I was about to say and even with that it's they got . They set top 15 , top 10 songs that you're gonna hear on repeat , and then radio offer doesn't offer um , in terms of breaking artists like it used to back in the day . Yeah yeah exactly , exactly like they're not speaking of anything of . There are some let me not generalize everything . There are some , but for most part , you know , the mcs , the , the djs , the disc jockeys with the personalities aren't really offering anything of a substance either .
Speaker 1It's just hot takes and tea and speak of hot takes and tea hold on .
Speaker 4Can I give you two quick points real quick , because I wanted to do a quick little reference to something you said before we go to the next . I was popping CT . What's popping my boy ?
Speaker 1That's who I was trying to fucking segue into .
Speaker 4Getting on this motherfucker , I'm going to finish going to another so yeah , okay , I'm going to run it real quick after CT get intro . My bad .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , no , the other person that we've been waiting on , my boy , ct . You know , neocliff himself , you know I'm saying is is now on the podcast or whatever . So , uh , like I was telling Mars earlier , ct has been a minute since all three of us have been on the podcast . Last time we were on the podcast we were literally talking about um Drake versus pushing or whatever . So um Mars was getting ready to go into making one of his points and then , uh , we're talking about Drake versus Kendrick and after he makes that point , you know I want to get your thoughts on the whole beef or whatever . But go ahead , mars .
Speaker 4Okay , smooth , smooth , smooth . So I will say , because I know you mentioned also the blog era for a point I was going to say you know you popped that in my head , but a thing in the blog era that was really dope that happened was it was still people who were studying whatever the hell they were talking about and sharing and they typically had something to say and write about it . Nowadays , in the twitter world , we're not really getting that . It's not that many people giving doing their homework so much as they're doing reactions to it . You could get a lot of engagement through reactions alone and trolling all the other shit , but that works in a different way .
Speaker 4I feel like blogging was kind of like the last little instance of kind of like music journalism proper . You know , um , there's obviously still people that carry the torch , but print is also kind of dead now . So that's one thing , and the other thing , um was when it comes to like the radio program and things like that . Like these are programs . You and also the other big program nowadays is streaming and the algorithm , like these playlists nowadays , like niggas , is working hard to get placed on a playlist , the same way that niggas used to work hard for a DJ to like play a single a good time and give them a chance , you know , on the radio real quick .
Speaker 4So media has shifted , but we're also allowing essentially a robot kind of like formulate our taste for us , and I think that's just a very dangerous slope for us to go down . More people should do their homework , you know like look up inspirations , read interviews . We're in a very visual society now . Sometimes you got to sit down and read that magazine article for real , for real . If you're really trying to tap in and do your Googles , if it's a sample of some shit like that , figure that shit out , because that's really how you're going to understand this stuff a lot more . If you just let the algorithm tell you that Tame Impolitori , mwah Drake and fucking Lana Del Reyes you should be listening to right now , you gonna have a long , tough ass life of normality and being like everybody else ahead of you for real , for real .
Speaker 1But I'll leave that at that because , like you said , writing , actually you took time with the shit , you didn't just it didn't just sit up there and post it and then come back retroactively and be like , oh yeah , like , let me tweak this and let me tweak that , like there was a finality to the shit that you , you will write up and post . Which is why , motherfuckers , when they , when the new york times and wall street journal and all this other , these other publications , break these exposés and shit , that shit just didn't come about within a week , nigga .
Speaker 1They sat on that shit for six months maybe even a year , because they were doing an investigation behind this shit , connecting the dots with it or whatever , even with stuff like XXL and the Source and shit like that .
Speaker 4That's a reviewer album . You might have had three , four months to review an album .
Speaker 1Right , you got a copy of it and you sat on it and then , once it came out that's when the review came out , or whatever , but you had time to sit with it . It wasn't something constantly bombarding you in the face every fucking week New music , new music , new music . You had to let projects breathe and shit like that . Dt , if you can hear us , or whatever , I'm assuming that in the Drake and Kendrick beef you're on the side that Kendrick won you right ?
Speaker 2Ah , easily and like I don't think that debate , I think that debate ended with the last contract , before Drake even dropped the hard part six , it was over . I think that's the consensus . I don't know how anybody could really debate that either . I know y'all probably got into like the strategy in Detroit or something . But like bro , put on a straight masterclass bro . Like when it comes to like pure strategy outside of the wrapping , like a pure strategic standpoint , bro , put on a straight masterclass , okay , all right , you sound a little muffled , but I think for the most part I don't know if you like removed from your phone or anything like that , but you might want to get a little closer to your mic .
Speaker 1Yeah , we can hear you , it just sounds a little muffled . You got your AirPods in . Yeah , hold on a little bit .
Speaker 1Okay , cool , cool , cool . So as far as but damn , what was I getting ready to say ? We were talking about Drake . Oh , what I was saying with that is is I find it's funny because the argument of using he has the most number ones and he has all this success and is doing the tours and everything like that . I found that funny because this essentially feels like oh , but because he has these things , he won . And to a certain extent , yes , when you get to a certain level of success , you definitely win , but that's not to make it your whole personality . You know what I'm saying . There is something to be said about being accepted by your peers . Like I know we're in the era and the age of like , I'll give a damn what nobody thinks about me . Fuck them .
Speaker 1You know , I don't really care but on the flip side of that , you could essentially get a play or a major opportunity based on oh is this ? This motherfucking feels like a genuine person you know , I'm saying motherfucker actually has substance to him . You know , I'm saying and so yeah , and I mean also , like I don't .
Speaker 4I think that looking at commercial success is important to a degree because , honestly , another another reason I respect Drake is the fact that it's very hard to be to be a consistent hit maker in the way that he is .
Speaker 4Like niggas have hits from time to time . You know that you lucky if you get a hit . But he's been able . You know , and I mentioned he got a formula and shit like that . That formula works for whatever fucking reason and I respect and admire that about bro , just because , like , it's not easy to like satisfy a lot of people all at once on anything for real and as an artist , as creating a product that so many people like , that is a challenging thing .
Discussion on Hip-Hop Culture and Drake
Speaker 4But at the same time , your commercial success or any sort of like metrics and numbers don't always , you know , I'm a , I'm a gold guy when it come to lebron , but it's other niggas , that whose numbers aren't as high as he is , that , like you know , you can sit up there and make a debate about , even at a particular thing I think lebron's no but you know , like better shooter might be one thing , better dribbler , better passer .
Speaker 4You know he's top 10 in all these different categories and shit . That don't mean he's the best of any particular thing when it comes down to even technical skill . Like commercial success does not equate to how good you actually are , especially in that moment . Otherwise it'd be a lot of like celebrities and artists that like would have been successful when they were alive . God damn me . Um . But once again , like I did give credit to dude because he is a really good rapper , but like niggas will use those sort of metrics and it's like that's not even a point about it , because you don't really you don't really quantify art in that particular way , you don't really quantify creativity in that particular way . You don't really quantify creativity in that particular way , like just because it's selling , because most of the things that are really really commercially successful aren't even good , if not good for you . So like why is that even like a thing that you want to throw into it ? I get it .
Speaker 4You know , if you want to judge on hits like , we're talking about a versus . That's different . That's not hip-hop love , that's just an event for fucking people . What's going to ring off ? When you press play Right , right , right .
Speaker 1Right , right , right , right For sure . And what's crazy and I think this is what I don't want to say upset me , but it came to mind is that you have you're at , you're at the top , bro . So like even even Hov experimented with King to come Right , and so what's to who's ? Or you're at a space where , like nigga , whatever , whatever you do is is it's going to resonate with somebody . You've cultivated that fan base where motherfuckers going to flock to you regardless . Right .
Speaker 1Maybe his honestly nevermind was that or whatever , but it was just like where motherfuckers was talking about where the growth , there's some truth to that nigga . Your where motherfuckers was talking about where the growth , there's some truth to that nigga . Like , yeah , it's your , your , your whole , I guess , ambiance or whatever you want to call it . It's just fucking hoes and being a fake thug like I know right , I know there's other shit going on in your life versus just , you know , satisfying . You know gen , gen , alpha . You know what I'm saying Like it's gotta be .
Speaker 1it's gotta be something else . Like nigga , you're our age . Like niggas is , you know , still trying to figure shit , career , figure shit out , career wise . Niggas got kids . You got a kid . You got all these things that you can talk about , and I know you can spin it in your own way where it will ring off . You know what I'm saying , but it's just like , it's just not there . And now you come up against a nigga that can , like you said , actually does that shit . He talks about his demons , he talks about his mental health struggles . He talks about his demons . He talks about his mental health struggles . He talks about family issues and identity issues and a lot of things that are hot topics with society too , on top of being a black man and shit like that . That's the shit we want to hear . I think that's the other thing that we realized out of that . Like , yeah , nigga , your experience really ain't the quote on the quote-unquote black experience right right , right right therefore uh , at a very early point for real , for real , and so that's kind of my thing .
Speaker 4While I was saying , I just also didn't really feel like he was the best suited to be the face of hip-hop , as it's this big global thing that it is now , bro , like that really upset me when I saw him in the club with that little rt kid or whatever . First of all , that little kid shouldn't be in the club anyway , but you , the biggest rapper in the world , taking a picture with this kid in the club on a school night , around people that are probably fucking four times his age , that's crazy , bro , like you're . You're an enabler of particular fucked up behavior and it like it . It's really that deep like he not necessarily the worst example , because it's even more bad examples out there of the type of images that young black men especially are picking up on , but also this should affect young black women as well . You know , it's just like you should not be the person that's like , while this generation already needs help , the face of this shit , that's truly like influential over the youth and the culture and the way that you are . So I also was just here for this nigga to like just get that fucking like play a card taken away from him for real , for real , because , like I say , when you look at the fan base , bro , you start to see the people that's really in this guy's corner . It's like you are that fucking like . You are that anchor for a lot of people and the wrong people , bro . They not like us Creeps , weirdos , pedos , white people , too many white people . I like some white people I got a lot of love for a nice little chunk of them , especially in the hip hop game . But these kids on YouTube , these fucking Gen Z years , get them out of here , bro . They don't even know this hip hop shit . It's just a commodity for them .
Speaker 4And I think Drake commodifies hip hop and black culture in a particular way and it just I don't know , I couldn't really put my finger on it and it just gradually and gradually over the years , like , hmm , this is interesting , this is interesting . And now I think , with this whole Kendrick and Drake shit , it's kind of the culmination of it . I think Kendrick might be the generational talent as far as like rapping goes . I don't even know if he is the quote unquote face of the rap game . I do think that the , the new generation probably could use a new face and like some new energy , but drake was absolutely not . It , bro like subjugating black music to these very superficial things partying , being toxic , you know , getting money , and , like he , no sense of community on shit . It's always like essentially being a bad piece of shit , nigga when it comes to dating the shorties and shit , like they just never really sat well as like the example that one black culture should be portrayed as and what the culture actually needs to be feeding itself .
Speaker 1And he don't sit the fuck down yeah , and then also with , like those top artists too , when they dropped projects , shit was shift . Like you , you , you know where you were were , when you know blue , the first blueprint , came out , there was a shift with the soul . You know the soul samples and shit . You know where you were . When college dropout came out , there was , there was a shift with the soul . You know the soul samples and shit . You know where you were .
Speaker 1When college dropout came out , there was , there was a shift , shit , even with you know atl , uh , the atl sound , atl rap scene popping up and shit like that , with gz , gucci and ti and shit like that . There was a a shift , the trap music shift with that too , or whatever , and them niggas could rap and shit like that . And then , when , granted , you know I drake when he came out earlier , you know , like I said , so far gone and and you know even you take care and that that was also a crazy thing to me too , with the whole beef , it's like niggas couldn't fucking pick what his classic album was , which is , which is wild because , like , if you even to be on that , that that upper echelon , where you're like , yeah , this is the top nigga , you at least got one that everybody was kind of like unanimous all or whatever and it didn't and there wasn't really one for for him , like that was an interesting part of the conversation too With Kendrick .
Speaker 1You saw a good kid in Mad City . Motherfuckers flew throughout to Pimple , butterfly or Damn , or even Mr Morale and shit like that . It's like I know this nigga got it in , I know you can rap , bro , let's see it , and I even give him credit for the whole beef and shit like that . The songs that he dropped , that nigga was rapping so I was like he was spitting .
Speaker 1I'm like , yeah , okay , cool . But it's just like CT was saying it was just so strategic with Kendrick , especially the Friday night , where he just stepped all over that nigga's shit , saying it was just so strategic with with kendrick , you know , especially at friday , the friday night , where he just stepped all over that nigga's shit . It was just like , damn nigga , you couldn't , your shit wasn't even allowed to breathe and it was , it was ready prepared .
Speaker 4Yes , yeah , he was saying something about the strategy early on too , and we didn't talk about the strategy , but what was your uh perspective on that ct ?
Speaker 5yeah , can y'all hear me now ?
Speaker 5yeah , you sound much better for sure , but nah , what I was saying earlier , man is like outside of the rapping because I'm gonna say this up front both them niggas was rapping and like I hate that everybody makes it seem like , from a rapping perspective , it was a one-sided battle Because , like all bullshit aside , when you put both all them tracks together outside of the AI joint , outside of the AI joint , we throwing that out .
Evolution of Drake's Image
Speaker 5Both these niggas was rapping . Like I was actually happy to hear Drake back in , like be able to find a pocket .
Speaker 5Yeah , and like just really just go into his shit , like , because personally , like before , before , what's the joint , the last joint with Kendra ? I cannot think of the name , right now Not Like Us . Before Not Like Us . Family Matters was probably my favorite joint .
Speaker 1He was rapping on that motherfucker .
Speaker 5He was rapping and I get everybody critique about him not focusing on one person , but like how he effectively got like 10 rappers out of the paint before he even touched kendrick was was fucking drake 101 . Like he got rocky out of here metro . Like he , he cleared up the future shit . He , he got on Raw's ass . He effectively got all them niggas out of the plane . He went crazy on the weekend and , to be honest , he had that .
Speaker 4Niggas shooting each other , ain't they ?
Speaker 5Bruh Like crazy shit . But on top of that he actually had a point where niggas was like damn , kendrick beat his wife . Niggas was really on that . But , going back to the strategy , because that song right there Could Not Breathe . Like Kendrick legit , cut that . And like meet the Grams .
Speaker 4That shit was heavy too .
Speaker 5It was great for what it was supposed to do as a stand-alone track . It wouldn't have done it for me , Right ? I think Euphoria wraps circles around . Meet the Grams Not Like Us , definitely . Does you get what I'm saying ? Like the 5 AM in Compton , whatever that shit . I like that better than Meet the Grams . Really . Okay , and stand-alone songs , but when you talk about the actual beef and from a strategy standpoint , that song was perfectly placed .
Speaker 4Yeah , yeah , I really do believe it's a mold over there . Man , like these new leaks and everything of reference tracks again is coming out . I'm like , yeah , somebody definitely like I don't like Drake .
Speaker 5In regards that , I had a question for y'all because I was listening when y'all was talking about , like what Drake stands for , right , and like there is a clear shift from what drake used to be to what drake is now .
Speaker 5Yes , right like like there was a point when drake was known as , like the lover boy , like legit , like all this man singing the women , he crying the women , he , he falling in love with strippers , to the point now where he basically a fuck boy , right like right . Where was that switch ? And I had a conversation with somebody about this two , three weeks ago and that switch was when he got denied by Rihanna on that stage . He was presenting her as a fuckboy , and that's when we got this new form of Drake .
Speaker 1And honestly , if we being honest , that's when he tried to take on . Futures for Saina . Oh , okay , okay , ooh . So the year , what year was that where Rihanna , when she tried , he ?
Speaker 5tried to kiss her . I want to say that was like 2015, . Bro , I want to say Okay .
Speaker 1And which would line up with the joint he did with Future . Okay , that sounds about right .
Speaker 4That does sound about right .
Speaker 5Now my timing off . We can fact check later . But like I want to say , those two events line up damn near perfectly .
Speaker 1Okay , so that was 2016 .
Drake and Kendrick Lamar Analysis
Speaker 1And what album came out ? Views came out in 2016 . And what's crazy is Well . Views came out before that shit with Rihanna . Yeah , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 5Because they was on stage together . A lot for work and all that shit .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , facts , facts , and Rihanna was on Views for it was that shit .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , facts , facts , and Rihanna was on views for it was too good that take care of you , I think .
Speaker 1Yeah , I can see that . I can see that .
Speaker 4That makes sense . And then he does the line with Rocky too , about who you think I was with around that time , or whatever . So , huh , yeah , that could be it , I don't know . To me that's just another one of those things , though , when it comes to the maturity of this situation , yeah , he went on tour with Future in 2016 .
Speaker 5Yeah , Rihanna is his origin story , bro .
Speaker 4Yeah , it really is .
Speaker 5He heard about it .
Speaker 1That was his beef with Chrisris brown bro . Okay , so in other words , when , when rihanna rejected that nigga , that that was the one , that so essentially rihanna is the one that got away he , absolutely .
Speaker 4We all saw him chase her and chase her and she just didn't go , at least publicly . You know ain't no telling what happened behind the scenes , whatever . It seemed like they did eight , but like not being able to bag who . He probably , he probably wanted that to be the Beyonce , beyonce , jay-z situation with him and her , and it could have probably been as big as most of them are .
Speaker 1That's a tale as old as time . Nigga the shortest the baddest , baddest shorty in the world whatever the shortest , the baddest , baddest shorty in the world , whatever and you kind , y'all kind of interacting , whatever and you do something . You do something that may have been weird or like been off , putting to her essentially one of her biggest moments because she won the Vanguard Award that year .
Speaker 1Right , yeah so her biggest moment yeah , you tried to get a moment or whatever . Be like let the world know you fucking with her and she like I ain't really on you like that . And yeah , that nigga , ironically , was jaded .
Speaker 5Exactly , bro . And then you see a shift in his music from that point forward , bro . You see that shift , and I ain't gonna be the one to say this , but I'm gonna say it because I had a conversation with my wife about this . It's funny , cause we was like , if you notice , drake always beef with niggas who just more naturally cool .
Speaker 4Cause he lame , he a hater bro , he not like us .
Speaker 1But then I mean that speaks to what fucking Kendrick was saying nigga . You took your swag from Future . You took your shit the lingo from Lil Baby . You was hanging out with Quavo . You was doing this , you was doing that . That essentially speaks to all that shit .
Speaker 4I do . I feel where you're coming from , ct . But I think even beyond the dropping strategy , I think just kind of the weight of truth that was in Kendrick's 1000 bro really like and that's why I like meet the grams a lot like the expose of like the possible second child is crazy . The way that he talked about their child to his mama and daddy was nuts bro to his son . I was like that was a very surgical thing to me or whatnot , and I mean , you know , if it ain't yours it ain't yours , but that one was crazy . But I think kendrick was very consistent about how he approached it . He's flipped different styles . He came out with a bop so he beat drake at his own game . He got the number one song in the world for several weeks which was nuts barring up at a top tier , I do think , with like the um , the family matters joint I . I really like that record .
Speaker 4I think he tried to do like the longer song situation . Like kendrick again , if you would have chopped them up and like edited that video better , that would have like punched a lot harder . But kendrick was sitting there ready with that last fucking song , 15 minutes . That now that as a strategy . It's like one is true to power . What I'm saying about ? You got rats and snakes in your circle already , nigga , and they telling on you to the picture , to all of those little things added up . It's like I don't know everything . Everything felt more real coming from kendrick lamar I would say throughout the whole process of everything but then coming back with Not Like Us a day later after he already punched him back . It was like bam Drake did his response track but he sounded so deflated . He even sounded deflated on the Sexy Razz song . He don't sound like he got the fight in him , right now he is trying to .
Speaker 4I said right now he is trying to .
Speaker 1I said this shit . He is trying to fucking be rabid eight mile his way through this shit . Like , yeah , nigga , you right , I did go to a surgeon . I'm going to take her to the same surgeon . I'm going to put her on . Nigga , that's not tight , that's not what's up . Oh yeah , I know what you're going to say Blase , blase , blase , yeah . And I may say whatever the fuck it is that you're going to say , but I'm going to wrap circles around you , nigga . And he did that . And again , drake , like I said , I don't think the heart six .
Speaker 1it was cool , but again like he , said he was trying to say he didn't weigh the white flag . That nigga said nigga , I'm done with this shit , I'm going on vacation .
Speaker 5He literally said this shit at the end of the song , bro .
Speaker 1He don't want to keep going with this nigga .
Speaker 5He's done . Can I tell y'all what I want Drake to do ? Honestly , I want him to take a year , year and a half off . Just go ghost Nothing . Because if your place in hip hop , if you really the placeholder , because you talked about this earlier Mars , you talked about him being kind of the face and even though we don't like that , it's what it is .
Speaker 5Yeah , he's just too big and I'm going to get on Ross later because he's an enabler bro . It is , yeah , no , he ain't just too big . And I'm gonna get on Ross later because , like he's an enabler bro and like the reason Drake is the way he is is because of all the niggas who dissing him right now outside of Kendrick and like we gonna get into that . But like , honestly , like I want him to , if you really that linchpin that's moving the culture right now , right , like if you really that person take a year and a half off yeah come back with your black album .
Speaker 5Whatever you want to call it , don't give a fuck what you want to call it . Come back with that . Retire effectively after that album , if you know like .
Speaker 1Just take your time , take your year and a half Put together a project . Nigga Put together a project .
Speaker 5Stop these playlists and shit . Because , like he got it in him , because , when he released that second half of the Scary Hours joint of . For All my Dogs . That shit was straight rap . That was good rap .
Speaker 4That was good rapping , that was exactly what I wanted to hear from him .
Speaker 5And people slept on that little extra he dropped . But I'm like that's probably one of my favorite projects , that portion of that project is probably my favorite collection of songs from Drake in a long time because he's straight rapping . Yeah , and that's my favorite part of songs from Drake in a long time because he's a great rapper .
Speaker 4That's my favorite part of Drake . In general , I don't necessarily love a lot of the R&B stuff , but it also one . I think , either because of the fuckboy-ness of it all , I don't always really relate to it for real , for real , because that's just not the type of content I'm trying to consume . When I'm trying to listen to love songs for real , you do not be making love song music , but at the same time it also just feels kind of like sticky . I wish there was some vulnerability to Drake on that side , and I think it's more spitting game and trying to get to the draws , which I know that's what niggas do when they throw the Drake on and the shorties like it . So it worked , but it just I don't . I can't listen to that . For me to kind of like catch my vibe with this shit but I think it does a good job of like being an actor , bro , like , who are you for real ?
Speaker 4if you just showed us who you was for real , I probably would love that guy . I probably would really love him . I just don't be feeling them because it's like you hiding something .
Speaker 5But that's the thing , though . When it comes to Aubrey Graham , he's an actor , bro , and Drake is the character that he's been playing for 16 years , bro , and if you notice , throughout his career , he is playing different characters with Drake as his moniker , bro . It's the same shit that Childish Gambino Donald . Glover does .
Speaker 5Oh , yeah , yeah , yeah for sure , but this is where people say he basically blackface in the game because he is playing these different characters . We see it in the videos , bro , and that's what . That's what irritates people . I don't yeah I don't care so much as like what that's doing for hip-hop because , like at one point , that's what it was like that's what it needed .
Speaker 5Right , like and to your point now , instead of that growth we seeing and like , like you said , honestly , never mind . Maybe that was his experience with joining , but I still think it's because he knew what beyonce was coming out with . So he just tried it , and then he wanted to get it out ahead of time , like that's what I feel about that . I like that project , but but I feel like that's why we got that project . It wasn't so much as he was trying to experiment . This ain't a Kanye doing 808s . 808s was an experiment .
Speaker 1Right . It was also believable , though , it was also Kanye man , you can also . Kanye played that good . You can feel it , you can hear it , like bro Pinocchio's story alone . Drake , don't have a Pinocchio story , but he's good . I know you're capable of doing it .
Speaker 5See , that's my thing , Because Kanye has also played different characters throughout his career . Like right Like 808s is a character of Kanye . It's just real to what he was going through in life , right Like , so like I mean , he changed his whole persona with that album .
Speaker 4Yeah , yeah , yeah . No , he gets into a whole with that album . Yeah , yeah , yeah , he gets into a whole motif . But he's great because he also knows how to package his product Exactly .
Speaker 5Yeah . And that's what we're missing with Drake's characters , Drake's characters . To me , they're less about where he is in life and more about things he sees in his life . You get what I'm saying . Kanye is a good example of somebody who personifies what they're going through , and they put that in their art . Drake is a person who's like . Drake is someone who knows how to draw . Right , right .
Speaker 5But Drake ain't somebody who can create that on his own . You get what I'm saying Kanye can draw , but also he can just get a canvas and just create something . Drake is one of those people . Like I know , a lot of people can draw pictures that they look at . Hey bro , create me a character .
Speaker 4They cannot do it yeah , exactly what I'm saying like they cannot create a piece of work oh my god , that's crazy , because to me that's the difference between like an artist and like a capital , a artist . There's a particular way I like say shit or type shit sometimes for those types of reasons , but it's like , yeah , you have that , you have the technical skill , but you don't have the imagination . It's not about how capable you are with your skills at a certain point , it's about what are your thoughts or your ideas . At least that's my approach to a bunch of shit when it comes to art and creativity , I mean how I assess djs , because it's niggas that can go out there and play a bunch of jams , but that's not what I personally value . You know , people have their own different things , but it's like my favorite compliment is when somebody come up and ask you what song is this like ? I love educating and putting people on to shit or whatever . You know you as an artist , like kanye , is always .
Speaker 4I think that nigga just such a crazy ass gemini and like just hella moody , but he gonna put that into his music . The artist , like his art is , is emotion . You see that in his rants , his interviews , when he fucking doing some clothing shit as well . Like that guy is super moody and that comes doing his stuff and you feel that kendrick , I feel like does a good job of fucking putting a mirror up to a lot of like young , modern , kind of self-destructive , just self-destructive uh , millennials for real , for real , like from Compton , because it really don't always be him . But like we cry together , like if you ain't never I never had a crazy argument like that , but I've heard some crazy arguments like that right , or whatever . Like we cry together was crazy . What the fuck ? You fuck you nigga fucking makeup type shit at the back end . Oh yeah , like that . That's different than Marvin's room for me , at least for me , I just never been to call a girl up dirty back .
Speaker 4That was a fun song , it was fun to listen to , it was most it's likable . But I just could not resonate with a song like that . Maybe the girls really like this , so maybe they want some guy to do that to him , but I just that's not . That , that's not my space , that's not my head space , bro . Like I'm still a nigga from st louis at the end of the day and I think , like what you said earlier , ct is just kind of like the kind of like the acceptance and like him just not really being a cool nigga for real , st Louis . It kind of forces you to be yourself . If you're not being yourself , you kind of get felt and read out , snooped out or whatever . It's kind of like somebody either going to heat your ass or you eventually going to be uncomfortable around niggas because it's like you're not who you are for real . Bro , we feel that shit , st Louis , breathe like actual , real niggas .
Speaker 5But I mean , you could feel that from a mile away
Navigating Black Identity and Authenticity
Speaker 5right . Like from people I see it all the time and like I mean I got an older son and like I have to teach him this type of shit right .
Speaker 5Like I'm trying to tell him like you being cool ain't what you do , it's just who you are right like object , like like for me I use an example . I don't call myself cool , anything like that , but like I just got a natural presence about myself that attracts people . I've just naturally always had friends . You get what I'm saying . I never had to really try to be that person . I've actually had points in my life where I have shut myself away just because I have not wanted to attract people or be . You know what I mean .
Speaker 5Naturally , when I go into spaces , like I'm able to work rooms , I'm able to talk to people without forcing that shit . Like I see , and like I mean you see it all the time when people networking bro , Like it's people who force themselves to go to these places to break their comfort zone , and like you just go in these rooms , talk to these people , they just know you , like yeah , I see you work the room , but you're not really trying to .
Speaker 5Right right , like . That's the difference between the people Drake attaches himself to and himself , because , like the people he attaches himself to , they just naturally have we're going to use aura . They just naturally have an aura about themselves that people are naturally attracted to , and it's the complete opposite of what his aura is . To be honest , if Drake stepped into his cornyness more , Probably be the man .
Speaker 5Bro easily . It's a lot of people who just fucking weird , like I . I mentioned donald glover earlier . He's just naturally weird , socially awkward dude , like if you see him perform in person , like you've been around dude , he just naturally yeah , my man saw me here , jehovah Witness from Stone Mountain down there in Georgia , so like , oh , it makes anyone to NYU .
Speaker 4I'm like , oh yeah , like you , definitely like you feel like an Atlanta nigga , but clearly not the one that , like your mama , probably let you go outside all the time if you Jehovah Witness , it's a lot of regular nigga shit you just did not experience thanks , yeah and that and that's what we have with Drake .
Speaker 5Y'all talked about it earlier . His life experiences themselves . You naturally don't feel them because you don't have those life experiences , his life experiences that we've seen , that we know about . That's why a lot of white kids they closer , that we've seen that we know about they are . That's why a lot of white kids right , right , right . They closer to them than us . Like when Drake talk about going to get a Tahitian treat , I'm like did you really , bro ? You know what I mean . Did you really ? Go to the corner store to get a Tahitian treat .
Speaker 3Right , right , right If Kendrick , like bro , I go to the corner store to get a t-shirt and treat Right , right , right .
Speaker 5If Kendrick like bro , I went to the corner store and I got a quarter bag of hot chips and a hot pickle .
Speaker 4I can feel that Right , right right .
Speaker 5You know , exactly what he's talking about . Yeah , but if Drake raps , that , I'm like okay , you may have experienced that when you went to visit your pops in Memphis once , whereas Kendrick , that was his life , like I know , Kendrick from Chicago and lived in Compton . Right , right , right , you get what ? I'm saying Like , so , like it's just a different level of like natural feeling you have for them , people that just when they speak about their experiences , you're like okay .
Speaker 1It's relatable , I can visualize them doing it .
Speaker 5I've taken that same walk Right . Exactly , exactly .
Speaker 1And shit is not . That's not to say you know the black experience is , you know , one size fits all and monolith , but some shit is just universal .
Speaker 5If he rapped about being from the suburbs , bro , he would have a whole line of black people who probably went to Hazelwood Central or whatever the hell else .
Speaker 4That's a fire pocket to be in too bro .
Speaker 1Oh shit , that's awesome . You get what I'm sayington .
Speaker 4clayton on the dude the black middle class being the face of hip-hop would be amazing and like that's my thing with it .
Speaker 5Right , bro , like , because , like and I always laugh , I use hazelwood central and people like , oh , you went to west . I'm like , bro , that's yeah , I went to high school there , but , like , I grew up in the south like right right so like my experience is naturally different from a lot of folks , but like , especially people in St Louis and themselves . But like , so I always laugh about the high school conversation because you went to West , yeah , but like my experience is different from everybody else .
Speaker 4Right , it's a whole thing . Whole thing you know , because you also are not disconnected from your culture , exactly , and like , but there's people that that I went to high school with that are yep , yep and still are .
Speaker 4you get what I'm saying and like my thing . Uh , sometimes , because you know , I agree with you , james , like and honestly I want the diaspora wars to end , so all black people across the world , you start to get on the same page and we can start really getting this money and power together . I will say Blackness is not a monolith , but it's levels to this nigga shit . It's different types of niggas out there . That's really the thing . Us being Black folk yeah , we all rocking . But it's the difference between the Nigerian and the St Louis nigga versus the New Orleans nigga versus the Harlem nigga , versus different types of niggas do different type of class systems and shit like that .
Speaker 4We not the most gutter niggas , we've had some pretty decent upbringings and shit like that , and I know some niggas that had it way hard , way hard For sure , for sure man . So it's like it's level to like this slumminess , but there is a , there's still a universal or universality to like niggas and like if you get it , you're invited to the cookout , like when you could be at the cookout , you're gonna be a personality like black people . We all have like our different personalities and tropes and shit got the funny niggas , the drunk niggas , the hot niggas , the cool niggas , the quiet niggas , the awkward nigg . Got the funny niggas , the drunk niggas , the hot niggas , the cool niggas , the quiet niggas , the awkward niggas , the funny niggas all types of niggas , but we all niggas at the end of the day .
Speaker 1It's some type of shared experience , bro , and he just don't get that dog , he just don't get that vibe .
Speaker 4That disconnect when he came through with his mama on the intro . That was the crazy part . The part two and three , that shit was hard . But how he started off talking about niggas and then just kept saying nigga , I was like , oh , this is . I don't think you actually know what you've been doing when you're doing that and I know you not hanging with no niggas or some niggas that don't actually speak up . A real nigga in your group would have been like I don't know . Bro , that feel a little off right now .
Speaker 5What Ross say . You try to come hang with the niggas . You try to be with the niggas at the pool .
Speaker 1But again , that's what he was doing . Kendrick said that Nigga like you went and hung from all these niggas from ATL . That's what you were doing . It's the fucking .
Speaker 4He is so famous and being around and I really think that the Pusha T kind of like story of a diet and shit he peeled back that first layer of just kind of like you are not as black as you think you are . You know , biracial kids sometimes have identity crises and things like that . You're dealing with a duality of multiple races in a nation that's so big on race as a part of your identity or whatever . So I get it and actually sympathize with Drake in that regard . But I do think some of that peeling back of that on top of the fact that Drake clearly has an ego I think he's been drunk with power and fame and success for quite some time now
Critique of Hip Hop Artists' Actions
Speaker 4. Like you , being the guy to buy Pharrell's chains is like crazy . You rap that . You melted them down but you didn't clearly because they still in the rap video and minty nice condition .
Speaker 4But it's like I think he's kind of overstepped his boundaries and I feel like that was kind of what the night like us , like last verse , was really hitting on , which is crazy that that's like such a big song because it it's a lot of actual like substance in them , lyrics for niggas to like really think about or whatever , but calling them a fucking colonizer to close out the record , I think . I think that in the long term , that's really something people are already starting to look at them differently and just kind of running through the whole atlanta shit or whatever it's like , yeah , why jiden came out and you know and made his song like hey bro , keep my name out , this shit , motherfucking 21 savage was on fucking like instagram live or some shit , with metro booming . So it's like you know . I did see that . I think he brought drake out yeah , he brought him out .
Speaker 4You know like there's some neutrality there . It ain't't like oh , I'm on your side . Drake 21 just a real nigga probably trying to get some money out here bro .
Speaker 5I really hate that Drake has attached himself to St Louis .
Speaker 4Yeah , right , right , right right , I'm not mad at Sexy for capitalizing off of it , but it's like oh , here goes this guy again this guy again I'm real like you know , yeah , that especially , especially coming off the whole Smino look-alike situation . Yeah , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 5It just and like I don't know if he trying to do that mostly to get at Metro or if he just noticed that it's just a lot of cool ass folks from St Louis all of a sudden who he's paying attention to , and the street rap scene is bubbling in St Louis too . It's going crazy . It's giving me . It's giving me Lock Boy JB . It's giving me , it's giving me uh log boy JB . Oh , yeah , yeah , yeah real quick yeah yeah , yeah and I'm like don't attach yourself to St Louis , bro , right ?
Speaker 4I think , jy you were saying at the concert you said J Cole . I feel like I saw a handful of people say that that niggas was rocking with JY you were saying at the concert . You said J Cole . I feel like I saw a handful of people say that niggas was rocking with J Cole .
Speaker 1Said a little stronger than it was J Cole yeah , and that's what I wanted to ask CT about as , like , like the resident , like J Cole , that's my nigga type shit . Yeah , when we came here , first of all , st St Louis they've always rocked with Cole bro Right right . But , you know why , though ? For sure .
Speaker 5You know why , though ? For sure Because he just came in with the authentic energy , yeah .
Speaker 4Show love , I love J Cole myself that nigga's awesome .
Speaker 1Yeah , so the concert is still St Louis fucks with Drake , of course , like that's , like that's , that's like okay , common knowledge or whatever . But yeah , absolutely . When Cole came out for his portion of the concert , which was like in the middle of the show , word for word . Motherfuckers knew every song . J Cole performed Every fucking song , word for word . Motherfuckers knew every song . J cole performed every fucking song , word for word .
Speaker 1And keep in mind they weren't here two nights in a row , so the energy was consistent from night one to tonight too , even though the biggest quote-unquote artist , rapper , whatever you want to call him in the world , is here . It's probably the majority of the reason why people came . The nigga he was co-headlining with was getting the bigger responses . You know what I'm saying . Again , j Cole came out when niggas speaking of authenticity . Again , j Cole came out in a time where niggas was in college . Yep , he nigga .
Speaker 1Niggas hide in the sports references of an athlete , you know , trying to make it , trying to get his shine or whatever , trying to figure this shit out , trying to break through , and niggas resonated with it . You know ? And , on top of the fact , guess what j cole can rap ? Yeah , j J Cole gives you . He can give you like yeah , the nigga , I'm him , the him lyrics . He can give you some thought-provoking shit . He can give you some shit where it's like you know what , I'm a flawed individual , I don't know it all , because he's publicly . He's had some moments , you know , on social media , where it was like that wasn't really it or whatever right right right , whatever the where you know mike brown and everything happened that you know .
Speaker 5I'm saying he's out here with the people but see that that's my , that's you know what . Like all right , so we just go , I'm gonna just get into it . So , like when he apologized , right , like dude called hell from everybody and like you know , like as that . But like for me , like as that gets further and further away , it is consistent behavior from Cole . You get what I'm saying . Like , I think the reason people like Cole , it ain't so much that like , oh , he's this deep individual , but he's allowed himself and his flaws to be seen , and not just like through music , but like through the way he lives . Like the nigga fucks up he fucked up when he attacked Rap City , right and like like he fucked up and then he caught bars for it . And then he turned around and talked to some educators . He caught bars for that but like he's allowed himself .
Speaker 4Oh , you're talking about no Name . No Name , yeah .
Speaker 5But yeah , you know he caught him for that . And then , when she gave him bars and then he turned around , he's like yo , my bad A . And then , when she gave him bars and then he turned around , he like yo my bad .
Speaker 4A very honorable moment , actually Very respectable .
Speaker 1Very respectable .
Speaker 4Take your .
Speaker 5L nigga , he had to take that L , take your L . I was very harsh on him with his apology . I still don't like the way he did it . I feel like that's , if you was going to do that , bro , like call Kendrick , hey , this shit over , I ain't going to drop nothing else . If you got to do it , do what you got to do . You get what I'm saying . Like I don't like the way he did it , regardless of who got in his ear and told him like hey , hey , fam , step out the way because your boy is about to go crazy on your other boys , so just step out the way . Regardless of the situation , I don't like how he did it . I respect him for knowing this shit that's about to happen , ain't sport .
Speaker 4I wish he was in , but I respect his decision actually .
Speaker 5Yeah , I wish he didn't do it in a public forum that way . Or even if you just got him on Twitter , like my bad . Right , so I'm gonna stay up . You know , but like the way he did that concert singing and shit like I didn't like that that was very anti .
Speaker 1Because , nigga , you threw a punch Right , you threw a punch on your project .
Speaker 5So it's like all right , and it ain't just that song , it ain't just that song Right Like it ain't just that song , so that was my issue . I'm like bro it's punches all throughout this project . Right , right , right so like don't just like focus on that song and what you said there , because , like , there's things that can be . You can break down that shit he did with Daylight and there's multiple instances in there where you're like , okay , he's talking directly to Kendrick and it ain't the nicest .
Speaker 4I don't know how I feel about it . I know some niggas be wanting to be head on . I'm here for a little confrontation , but I also , like I appreciate it in like the art of being a good writer when , like how the niggas be saying you know when Drake dissing you , but you like the only nigga that'll know that because he's saying some real specific shit .
Speaker 1It's cerebral . It's some thought behind it .
Speaker 5It's some sicko shit , but I fuck with it and like what I wish Cole would have done in that moment , right was allow your homie to make the difference , because I feel like Kendrick would have heard that and he would have did it on sport . I don't think Kendrick would have been on some personal shit with Cole .
Speaker 4Yeah , because I actually think that he does fuck with J Cole . He does . Like he said he was the one who told the nigga .
Speaker 5so clearly they fuck with dude , they said schoolboy Because , if you remember , schoolboy opened that night at Dreamville Fest , mm-hmm and so like , and Cole was already clearly's been talking to absole and everybody right , right , right , right so like
Lil Wayne and Top 100 Albums
Speaker 5. He probably like when they was all talking , he probably , yeah , this shit about to be dope for the , for the sport of hip-hop . And then I think what happened was them niggas was like yo , that's your boy and it's the energy he don't know because he don't fuck with your other boy .
Speaker 5Right , so like it's going to be real hard for him to differentiate friend from foe type shit , and I think that's where he was like . I think that's where everybody internally they niggas was like I think you should just step away from now . I don't think they told that nigga to apologize . Right , right right right , right . I think they told him to just hey , chill , because it's about to get hectic out here .
Speaker 4Right , right , right , right . And he probably because niggas obviously knew what was going to be said about Drake and all that other shit . 1000% .
Speaker 5And you know people was going to attach Cole to Drake . Yeah , of course , and that's what I think they warned him about . I think they warned him like if you proceed with this , you're going to be looked at as you're on Drake's side .
Speaker 5It's going to be not Cole versus Kendrick Getting money together and all that other shit too at the same time getting money together exactly , and I think that's where they was like yo , you got to pull back because it's really starting to look like you , you and this nigga trying to tag team him and he and I feel like kendrick really was awesome , like I don't know if you , because kendrick said it . It , he said in Euphoria , he said it . He said if you , my nigga , I'll wind up .
Speaker 3you , melly , right , like he said it oh yeah , Yep , yep , yep , yep .
Speaker 5That was a good line too . That was a good line . He was like I don't know where you stand , what line you standing on . But he gave him a clear cut answer right there . If Cut answer right there , If you come back , you attached to this nigga . That's how I read that line .
Speaker 4Yeah , no , that's the same shit .
Speaker 5If you , my nigga , stand to the side because I got a real issue with him . That's how I looked at it . Now , if you're not my nigga , come with it , because I'm ready for you too , but if you are my nigga , just let me get this shit off my chest . And we all got groups of homies . Right . And we all got groups of homies who two of the niggas probably got in fights and they like , hey , let them fight .
Speaker 4Mm-hmm , I know these both your hoes , let them go , we men too , bro , I will say I actually really love that about being a man and a black man Because it's like all right , bro , cool . Because honestly , a lot of shit would be cool if you could get your steam off . Sometimes it's physical , sometimes niggas just going in on each other , but you work through that shit . After you get your steam out your collar for real .
Speaker 5Yeah , and everybody like Kendrick really dropped them songs and gone about his life . I said Kendrick dropped them songs and went to finish his album Bro Right and he got his shit out . We didn't hear all the shit they said . He got 10 songs .
Speaker 4Yeah , exactly , he was working he did that shit ?
Speaker 5in what One and two sessions ?
Speaker 4they said yeah , he was working .
Speaker 5So that nigga really got that shit off his chest and was like I'm cool , I ain't gotta tweet nothing , I ain't gotta post no videos . This is what . This was me vent . This was my shit , I'm good . He basically fought Drake and said I'm good If the nigga want to keep coming . I got shit for him .
Speaker 4You know he fought him because the nigga said you a bully and I hate bullies . I was like , whoa , that's what I'm saying , bro . It was just so much in them bars . Clearly , the industry is like , yeah , for whatever reason , they not fucking with Drake . But when so many motherfuckers do be buddy buddies , especially when you rich , rich and you really in LA , for real , for real niggas , be out there getting high and drunk and hanging out and having lunch and shit together . You see each other at the war shows . Whatever reason , this nigga Drake is not around for bro . I think it's something . Drake is not around for bro . I think it's something . I think it's something . Dude probably really is a weirdo , I mean clear as day , bro he buying niggas publishing and shit .
Speaker 4That's crazy , bro . I just want to make sure it's in good hands or whatever . You know when that day comes .
Speaker 5Some weird shit , I can just see it now the back end of Drake business is really some like white man shit . I can just see it . Now the back end of Drake business is really some white man shit . It's you man . It really is . That's one thing . Like you said , buying people , publishing , making chains and shit . That shit is weird behavior .
Speaker 4That's a different type of cerebral activity that you got going on . It's almost like that's a different type of cerebral activity that you got going on .
Speaker 5It's almost like A stand type behavior bro . Yeah . Because we know how much he loved Pharrell and Clips and all like . We know that he mad , he ain't got a , he ain't got a Neptune song , still to this day . Which is crazy in itself , but A lot of his shit that you notice and you pick apart . It comes from that nigga's feelings was hurt .
Speaker 4That's the easiest way to say it Once again , bro , love being a black man For whatever reason , we in a movement of it . I think it's still a lot of work to still be done , but I would say , culturally , I know , at least within our like more able-bodied and you know , like I , within our tier of motherfuckers . But even with young brothers trying to figure it out , bro , I think that we know how to kind of deal with the bullshit a little bit better , we a little more resilient . The old motherfucker that's in a different situation might really be out here crashing out off of nothing , whatever it be . This girl that I really wanted didn't like me and you try , you try , you try . Shit it fuck up sometimes , but you ain't even got your daddy not around to even like give you that type of advice , correct that ? Yeah , bro , like it's usually somebody or your group of friends , if anything , even if you don't have a dad , but he don't have no black friends , bro , it's so deep on a cultural level for real , where it's just like damn .
Speaker 5And when you think about it , bro , the human , the Arby Graham , the human .
Speaker 4Oh man , the character . Look like fucking Tony Stark . Damn , he's living an awesome life . But Aubrey Graham , nah bro .
Speaker 1It's definitely dark when that nigga sitting in that living room by himself yeah , fam , absolutely , absolutely bro , there we go hey so we gonna wrap this up , we gonna keep it still in the music , on the music tip , and then we're going to finish up after that . Let's be getting people pissed out here . Man , apple is 100 . I don't know if it was greatest albums or top 100 . It's just maybe top 100 albums of all time and shit like that yeah , just all the time .
Speaker 1It got the people in a frenzy . So I'm of the mindset I don't mind lists because it creates dialogue right . I do think reading comprehension is , for lack of better words , lacking with a lot more of the general public than it should be , because there were albums being thrown out there where one it's not specifically just an R&B or hip hop list , it's of all genres , and so it requires you to just an R&B or hip-hop list . It's of all genres , and so it requires you to be a little bit open-minded to different sounds and styles of music to actually have appreciation for some of the albums that were on this list . And so I wanted to ask y'all one list , and so I wanted to ask y'all one should a Lil Wayne album be on the top 100 albums list of just albums and just music in general ? And two I love you .
Speaker 5That's awesome . I'm about to you , about to be , I'm about to and two .
Speaker 1That's awesome . I'm about to . You got to be . I'm about to , I'm about to , let's go . And two do you have a problem with this particular list ? So you can start with the Lil Wayne portion first .
Speaker 5Let me ask you a question .
Debating Impactful Albums in Hip-Hop
Speaker 5Does ? Lil . Wayne have an album that is more impactful and is better than Take Care .
Speaker 1Yes , I know why he said that , because we kind of had the discussion on Twitter , but I wanted to bring it to the podcast . I know what album he's going to say should have absolutely . Probably . I won't say absolutely , but has an argument for being on this list . Me personally , and this is why I feel like lists are good because they create a dialogue , and then lists are also bad because you can see the short sightedness in people . Do I think he has an album better than take care objectively ? No , do I think he has an album better than Take Care Objectively ? No , however , if it was personal preference , I do feel like he has an album that should have made the list .
Speaker 5I'll put it that way . I respect that , and the only reason I ask you that is because , like , right , like , let's go back to the classic discussion . Right , like people talking about , does he have a classic right , like , I think consensus would tell you his two albums . Dude Guy is a classic , and I say they're classics because you can debate people , debate either or Take care of Nothing was the same . Those are two albums that people constantly debate , which are his favorites . I think if you have that debate , then you have two classic albums . I think that's just how I would quantify that . Now , with that being said , lil Wayne I think we can all agree . Carter 2 , I think we can all agree . Carter II his best project as an album , I don't think .
Speaker 4Mars would agree , Personally my personal favorite is Carter II , but I do think that the one that objectively won my spread is Carter III .
Speaker 5Carter III is the one that I would put on that list Exactly For impact is carter three . Okay , so carter three is the one that I would put on that list exactly for impact right like because okay when carter three dropped a million a week , he dropped a million at the end of that week like pure impact . That's when lil wayne was literally the biggest artist in the world .
Speaker 5Keyword artist not just yeah , exactly rapper exactly he was bigger than yay at that point . Jay , he was . Lil wayne was at the top of the mountain . Right like and I think impactfully , that album created a wave of whatever the hell we got from 2008 between 2010 . Right like , it was a lot of albums that sounded and were that were impacted off of that . Now I would probably put that album on there over Take Care . Personally , like and that don't mean I think that album's better than Take Care but like for where it stands in history of like putting hip hop in a conversation with a lot of white artists , and like that was Lil Wayne's true crossover .
Speaker 5Okay , like that's when white people was really like oh , lil Wayne , I love Lil Wayne right like . I think consensus Carter , too , is like black people . Yo , this is the like I know for me . When that shit dropped , it was that I think consensus Carter II is like black people . Yo , this is the I know for me . When that shit dropped , it was that it was Urban .
Speaker 5Legend , it was Carter II , urban Legend and something else dropped within that same year , I think late registration maybe , but there was a lot of shit that dropped that year and I got the carter 2 cd in my car right now , like that's where , like that's where I view that album for me . So that's why I asked that question , because I'm like , impactfully , I think you gotta put , I would have put a wayne album over drake , absolutely , because without Carter III there wouldn't be no Drake bro .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 4Yeah , exactly .
Speaker 1I'm not mad at it . I see the argument for Carter III because , again , like you said , hottest artist in what was that 2008 ?
Speaker 4Wow , I just looked it up , it's 2005 . Carter .
Speaker 5III or 2005? . Carter II or Carter III .
Speaker 4Carter II , my bad Carter III was 2008 .
Speaker 1I'm speaking about Carter III . Carter III and I said I know what Mars is going to say because he was still in St Louis at the time time and the buzz around this nigga's album coming out was unlike and it was white hot and so had everybody jumping on the Millie B making their own version . He had , you know , j and all of that shit . I remember buying , I think we bought the CD from Vintage Rhyno . I think we both went the same day and got the CD .
Speaker 1I can see the argument for that because impact wise , it turned Wayne into a mega star .
Speaker 5Can I ask one more question ? Yeah , go ahead , and this ain't anybody but Lil Wayne . How many Kanye albums was on that list ?
Speaker 1Shit , I don't think none .
Speaker 4I don't know , which one , it was just one .
Speaker 5I think it was my Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy . It was . Oh yeah , you're right .
Speaker 4I don't remember all of the lists . I do remember seeing . I remember the shit that stood out it was artists that needed multiple albums on there , and I think that they tried to space it out more when they should have really been giving niggas . They rank it's like a handful of Stevie albums . It's a handful of Prince albums .
Speaker 5It's a handful , we're talking greatest albums of all time .
Speaker 4Let's be real , I get what they was doing in that regard .
Speaker 1Then they picked the wrong album from some discographies .
Speaker 4Right , we could have did an artist , I know why Thriller is on that list . You don't think Thriller is the best album For a list , not your personal favorite For a list .
Speaker 1I might have gone with Off the Wall . Off the Wall is my personal favorite .
Speaker 4That's my personal favorite , but Thriller is so big of an album , bro , look at the Wall Off the Wall's my personal favorite .
Speaker 3That's my personal favorite , but Thriller is so big of an album bro .
Speaker 5Look at the singles off Thriller . Look at the singles off Thriller yeah , them shit's crazy bro . There's no way you could put any of them .
Speaker 1Thriller should have been in one .
Speaker 5I'm with you , bro . I'm with you because it's not my personal favorite Mike album , but when you look at the singles on that mug , it is impossible .
Speaker 4Those are some of the biggest songs of all time .
Speaker 1So then , using that same argument , how does ? And my Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is one of my favorite albums in general . How does that album make it Again speaking ?
Speaker 5about the wrong album and discography again .
Speaker 1How does College Dropout ? You can I know late registration . I know a lot of people love that or graduation . Yeah , how does one of those three not make it ? But that fourth ?
Speaker 5one that was my .
Speaker 1Sorry , fifth one does .
Speaker 5That was why I asked that question , because I'm like I get why they picked my Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy . That was an artsy pick for me .
Speaker 4It also was really big .
Speaker 5That was his most polished album .
Speaker 4Yeah , it's the culmination of Kanye West trying to get everything right , having Runaway and Blame Game , and I remember , yeah , the short film that came out on MTV .
Speaker 1I remember all of that .
Speaker 4That's not my personal favorite , but that's kind of like his magnum opus , the kanye west being able to do everything that .
Speaker 5He was really sad you're talking about pure impact . Yeah , pure impact
Music Album Rankings and Impact
Speaker 5. College dropout created a whole genre exactly of niggas . Right like college dropout was the first album that came out , probably in rap , where a consistence of everybody was like I ain't gotta be a gangsta ass , nigga right , right right because like I'm not , and I'm not saying like , like , because clearly we already had the outcast , we already had all these other things out , he did college dropout was the one that made the niggas in school .
Speaker 5I can do this exact same thing without having all of the guns and X , y and Z . I can tell my story . Even though back culture was technically around , he also cultivated and created it to what it is now . That album alone did that .
Speaker 4Literally changed lives , bro . Changed lives in the course of hip-hop , the course .
Speaker 5That's my issue with Kanye , because you can also make an argument for graduation and him and 50 Cent going head to head for number one album . You can literally make a conversation for 808s , bro , 50 Cent going head to head for number one album , like you can make a conversation for 808s , bro .
Speaker 4All I know , I mean honestly even with Yeezus and Pablo . I don't know if that's necessarily how y'all listen to anything like that , but those are very interesting albums , though you could .
Speaker 5I mean Pablo changed how people drop albums , bro . Now everybody is dropping unfinished albums .
Speaker 1Going back and making changes in real time , like it's a goddamn video game with patches .
Speaker 5That's my thing . This list is so crazy . Confessions is 95 .
Speaker 4Yeah , that should have definitely been high .
Speaker 5Now . Granted , like when I saw that , I was like , okay , it's 100 albums . All the time I said it's probably gonna be some soul shit in here , that's gonna get that the fuck out of here , and then like four something . Then like four albums in front of you at the table . I love some lines right right fucking album . I do , I do , I really do love that album . And I'm the first person to tell you I am burnt out on Confessions because of everything that's been going on social media-wise with us .
Speaker 5I'm burnt out on that album . But it's wild that that album 95 , and the thing at the table is 91 . Right , right , right , no I hear you .
Speaker 4So I know from listening to the episodes and everything and them talking about it , I understood a little bit of what they was trying to do . I don't love the list . I also will say I don't hate Lauryn Hill , miss Education being number one . I know that was the thing I saw . A handful of people that was like this shit again , honestly very important . I would have rather it been Thriller , but I get what they were doing because I listened to the editorial team talk about it .
Speaker 4I understand If it was from Vibe or Rolling Stone the list would have been different too or whatever . But it makes sense for like that they they're all big brands so every time one of these lists come around , everybody gonna sit around and have these conversations . But it does kind of make sense for , like , the Apple demographic to like rank it the way it was . I just do it to put certain more albums on the list from different artists and rank shit a little bit differently . But like , honestly , outside of the miseducation , getting over Thriller for the top 10 , I can slick , live with it , bro , I ain't gonna hold you , never mind .
Speaker 4And shit Little Beatles . It makes sense of what they're trying to do . It wouldn't be my list , by no means . But I'm like I understand who y'all are and this makes sense . I listen to y'all radio hosts , like the little editorial shit that they do to interviews , and they did a voting system and then kind of did a little bit of ranking and rejiggering after the fact . So I get what they was talking about . Lauryn Hill should definitely put out more music , but Miseducation of Lauryn Hill being like a crazy song Number one is definitely crazy , but that album was the biggest fucking thing in 99 , bro .
Speaker 4She was the first album to get album of the year . She got like 12 Grammys .
Speaker 5She got like the most Grammys in one night . I get it .
Speaker 5Trust me , I used to be . I used to like . I've recently gotten tired of Lauryn Hill's antics , like personally , but like I used to be like bro Miseducation , yes , top , and it still is . Like musically , like I still can throw in that album and love it . I'm tired of her personally walking around performing this mug in different variations because she can't perform it the original way , because she don't own the damn publishing and she don't own shit about it . You get what I'm saying . So I'm tired of that .
Speaker 5I'm like , if that's the case , please create more music so that you can get your shit back , or at least you know that's my stance on it . I get why they put it , but I ain't gonna lie . When I saw the list , first thing I said in my head Michael Jackson's gonna be number one . It's gonna be like some Beatles he normally is .
Speaker 1Yeah , I was like it's gonna be some Beatles shit , number two or three .
Speaker 5But you know what was wild to me about that list , there was not one Adele album .
Speaker 4Yeah , I thought she would have made the cut at least .
Speaker 1I thought she was in the list .
Speaker 5Bro , it was not one , adele album .
Speaker 4I got to go back through the list later on because I want to revisit the shit , but I don't think . I saw her on there .
Speaker 5I'm like there's not one Adele album . I think there's a Billie Eilish album on there . I don't think Alicia Keys was on that motherfucking album . There was no Alicia Keys , which I'm like , which is wild . There's no Adele , there's no Alicia Keys . When you get into huge fucking artists who had time periods where they were like Grammy hogs , not having albums on this list .
Speaker 4It is kind of wild yeah , the Frank Ocean Blonde album being at five was crazy too that was wild to me so this is why I say what they were trying to do , because they were also trying to do it in a more contemporary and predictive type of perspective as well , because times change , rankings will shift over time . The young people , my young homies that's 27 , 26 and younger the way that they talk about blonde , or even where it was ranked and what I saw online , I'm like , oh , gen Z love this album . This is going to be one of . Exactly , exactly .
Speaker 4It don't hit the same on a cultural impact , because Frank is not a I love Rick Ross song . I'm not a star , but he's not really a celebrity in that type of way . He be hiding this shit , but he dabbing it in some black radio head R&B pocket with this shit . That's going to make a big , that's going to be a big deal in 20 , 30 years . I think that the album will hold . It was surprising it was ranked that high to me personally , but when I heard them say they didn't also just want to be old and predictive or whatever , but also really take into consideration and Gen Z is like a big demographic now too , the largest of all time so it's kind of one of those things where it's like , oh yeah , like let's actually not be probably like stuffy old heads and like think about where Billie Eilish fits into this shit because like she gonna be around for a minute . So let's , let's be right . Let's be wrong today to be right later , type shit .
Speaker 5I'll tell you Can we talk about some people . We are happy that was on the list .
Speaker 1Yeah , because I'm super happy that they put Mary J Blige on that list .
Speaker 5Yeah , I like that a lot . Yeah , for sure , because , like she does not like when it come to like R&B and history in R&B . She does not always get the love for the classic albums that she put out . That's my life album , bro . That's like my comfort album , bro . Yeah .
Speaker 4I just A couple of years ago , was like the 25th anniversary . It's hard to find , but I'm trying to find this vinyl . They did like a 25th anniversary . It's hard to find , but I'm trying to find this vinyl . They did like a 25th anniversary edition . It could be 30th . It could be 30th down there at this point . But yeah , bro , it's an all blue vinyl . It's got a crazy booklet up in it , all type of shit . I'm trying to find that motherfucking G because it looks special and that's a very special album .
Speaker 5Yeah , special and that's a very special album yeah , yeah like I'm super happy that she got love on that .
Speaker 4I'm happy tyler was on there , yeah yeah , yeah , but he , that's one of them , ones like he , really kind of the future . He's probably going to slide in and that would be the craziest thing . But I've talked to a couple of people about it and like Tyler could be the next Drake . He like not Drake , but like , as far as being that big of an artist , he still has a lot more that he could climb up and that nigga really is baby Pharrell . And if he could crack that code and get them commercial hits , them radio hits off . He got everything else . He got the clothes he be doing fucking movie soundtracks . He said he got that from Pharrell . He got the clothes he be doing fucking movie soundtracks . He said he got that from Pharrell . He did the Grinch shit .
Speaker 4After Pharrell , I think he did a DreamWorks movie or whatever . It's like , oh , that's his pal bro , and he's so young , he our age , he's a little bit younger than us . So it's like , oh , he could really do some shit and he rap about life too . So his music , his music , his music will age well because he's being himself in those moments in time . And that'd be the thing Once again about the Drake shit . It's like it's it feels so like temporary , with a lot of his music and like so in the moment , but like the stuff that you really go back and listen to cause Drake . I think his his catalog has a lot of shit where you can go back and remember where you were at a moment in time . But that's what happens with a big hit song . But from talking to people like fans over the years and having debates and shit niggas be like I don't be going back and feeling much when I go back and listen to music ?
Speaker 4Yeah , I think Tyler is a type of nigga that can make you feel a particular thing as well . Mm-hmm , yeah , yeah , I think Tyler is a type of nigga that can make you feel a particular thing as well . Yeah .
Speaker 5I would agree , man . I mean , that's a good way to put it , because I definitely go back to Drake's songs and I'm more of like man . These was good times .
Speaker 1Right . Yeah , for sure , and that's what music is supposed to do , like it's supposed to trigger something . It's supposed to make you feel like it evokes emotion and bring you back to a time where like , oh , I know what I was going through , what I was doing during this time like it's supposed to do that , and so , yeah , that's crazy .
Speaker 4That's crazy , bro , like that was a real-time revelation right , right right exactly , and what's crazy is like those were some good surprise enjoys that you mentioned , but they were so high on the list I just I'm going back and scrolling through the list now . It's pretty standard of what you would probably have in an all-genre greatest albums of all time list . You got a Pac album in there . You got a Sade , you got Velvet Underground . Bad Bunny got one . Of course he's Bad Bunny . Madonna , eminem Mary is decent at 86 . I would have ranked it a little higher , but we black the editorial team is not all niggas . Erykah Badu's got one on there . Janet Jackson .
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Speaker 4. Niggas might debate about which album from that catalog , but I think that's why I'm like , if they rank the artists , that would be a lot different . Pink Floyd , led Zeppelin , davis , david bow , doctor dre like , oh , adele is on there . Adele at 21 , at number 15 , yeah so bam um .
Speaker 4So you know , everything is kind of like standard when it comes to that . I think it just is more about the ranking . But to kind of go back to the earliest stuff that we were talking about , jay white . As far as like just people kind of like educating themselves and like getting a little more hip hip on broadening their scope of taste , people should probably go and listen to those 100 albums . You might not love them , but you should just check it out and see what music sounds like .
Speaker 1Because you'll fuck around and listen to something and be like damn , I heard this before , damn this is actually a bop , it's just good music .
Speaker 4We all know niggas like rock and roll , and all of this music that's on that list is created by black people , so you can damn near find a nigga in every genre that you can fuck with but just even understanding it , like oh , this is what the Beatles sound like . I ain't saying that nigga should like everything you know you like , right , right , right , just because it's the name , but you know , just simply trying something you don't know what you will like .
Speaker 4I saw nine inch nails is on there , some fucking hood baby or a motherfucking , really polished taylor , swift motherfucker . One might want to get that rage out one day and listen to a nine inch nails album . That's cool , bro , like I don't know . It's just like brawn , your taste palette . It's so much beauty and life in the world out here when you get a little bit out of your comfort zone I just encourage especially black folks .
Speaker 5It's real man , I even think that stands with genres that people already listen to Like if you listen to rap and you never listened to a Tribe Called Quest album don't listen to it bro . Like . I think it's an opportunity for the younger generation too who , quite honestly , they don't know a lot about , quite honestly , they don't know a lot about because we don't have music videos and shit . Like shows and shit . That really brings that feeling back , because we used to have so many different outlets for music . Right right .
Speaker 5If we didn't hear it from older cousins or parents . You could turn on BET , you could turn on MTV , you could turn on MTV , you could turn on VH1 , and you could see stories and you could see the videos , because there were opportunities to do that . Yeah , you got YouTube and stuff like that but people don't understand how important syndicated television is Exactly . How important that is to consume media .
Speaker 5I think that's a big thing . Television is Like how important that is to like consuming media and I think that's a big thing that like lists are able to do . It's like they're able to open people's minds and say , man , you know what ? Because I told myself a fact . I asked this , I said I think because Billie Eilish dropped the album what last week ? Or literally right after that list got done and I was like , man , I'm going to go listen to a Billie Eilish album .
Speaker 4It's pop , it's definitely like teenage music , but I know that you appreciate music across the whole spectrum . Yeah , because I'm just like this might be one of the biggest artists in the world right now .
Speaker 5Let's go Give it a shot . You know it may not be for me , but let me go at least tune in and see what the hell people talking about . Exactly , exactly . For sure . You can't understand them conversations when the Grammys come on , you're like man what the ? Hell going on . You ain't never listened to none of the albums . I ain't never listened to Beck . Hey . Apparently he that dude . Maybe I should . Jay .
Speaker 4White . He was going you know , like do I pack the self-discovery and shit . I definitely used to have all the magazines . I was the nigga with the complexes early on Getting joined on back end of it . Niggas like , hey , let me see that complex , I'm like bam . But I was just a magazine having nigga . I had Spin Magazine , the Blender Rolling .
Speaker 5Stone .
Speaker 4Yeah , exactly , exactly , exactly . I was just . You know , I just like music and , like you know , some cool pictures and shit . But those formative years as a teenager are just so really good , shaping your taste palette , shaping what you're into and shit like that . I just started going outside a lot . They didn't really always go to the rock shows with me , but I had to go check out my favorite band , bro , that shit was pretty cool .
Speaker 4That's a little vibe , but that stuff kind of starts at that rent at that area and like how you were saying , the kids don't really have that right now , like the tv programming didn't really set up that way . I've been talking to some friends about like trying to do that and like see what that might even look like as an experiment . But that's like a lot of complexities with it nowadays because so many contracts are sewn up , so many copyright issues , so much shit like that , where it's like you can't really just do it the way that they used to do it , even with the TV shows back in the 90s or whatever . Music and all that stuff .
Speaker 4Because of contract issues . It's kind of fucked up for artists for real , because I don't think niggas can be as creative . But I do think like bringing back those third spaces for young people could open up a lot for that . Like it's crazy that they're like no fucking like teenage , like boy bands and girl bands . That's really like killing it . Right now the kids are like you have to kind of listen to sexy red . Yeah , it's like that , the kids will listen . You have to kind of listen to sexy red .
Speaker 4Yeah , it's like that . You know you're teenagers , it's a little custom music or whatever . You might play it at home . Coming from like that is the dominant sound . I love me some big sexy , but I don't think that 14-year-olds it's not appropriate . Yeah .
Speaker 5I don't think that . It ain't no Bow Wow's bro . Yeah , but like where's they Bow Wow ?
Speaker 4They be 2K at you know shit like that and like I gotta finish reading it . But I did come across an article that was talking about how Generation Alpha apparently is about to shave the shopping mall . Like I guess young , young kids like really hanging at the mall again , but probably because they so bored of being on their screens Like they're actually craving like physical interaction again .
Speaker 3Yeah , All of this shit like goes in cycles and all of that .
Speaker 4But yeah , you right , bro , like these , the kids just kind of need a little bit more structure and stuff to do Because , like just being on that screen all day , we really going to be living in a Black Mirror society in no time .
Speaker 5That was crazy , that's a whole nother podcast , bro yeah .
Speaker 1The media mugs had access to back then . Right . I've realized that the Instagram pages that kind of do the throwback jams this was released this week 10 years ago . You'd be like damn jams . That was like . This was released this week 10 years ago and you'd be like , damn nigga , that was a bop . But that's they .
Speaker 1That's they version of that's one of the box or yeah , the box or MTV 2 was really the breaking ground for like , not alternative music , but like new and upcoming songs and things like that and shit MTV used to do . This is the new artist of this week and this is the buzzworthy artist of this week , along with the popular shit . Like you were saying . There is no avenue for that .
Speaker 5MTV , the reason we know rock music .
Speaker 1Yeah , for sure . And pop music For sure . These channels had everything bro . Yeah , for sure , and pop music For sure . These channels had everything bro .
Speaker 5I remember . Yeah , go ahead I was going to say . I remember when it was a big deal that NSYNC came on 106 and Park bro .
Speaker 4Yeah , that's the crossover right there .
Speaker 5That's the crossover .
Speaker 1That damn celebrity album was an R&B album , nigga .
Speaker 4Yeah , it was , it really was .
Speaker 1Low-key . The pop groups were low-key R&B groups . If you go back and listen to their songs . You can picture an R&B group singing these songs , bro , they was just white men and they were playing on the hormones of white girls and , you know , blew up . Like you said , black producers were the ones putting the songs together and writing the songs and the white boy bands were just the face of it , you know what I'm saying . The niggas was jamming too , man .
Speaker 5It was jams . They spent the 60s , bro , they spent the 60s . They spent the 60s . That's what they did . The black people found out hey , I'm writing the songs .
Speaker 4That's where the money at . Right right , right , right , Exactly exactly .
Speaker 1Real fucking shit . Hey man , yeah man , I appreciate y'all boys jumping on . Go ahead and tell them where they can follow y'all .
Speaker 5Go ahead Mars .
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Speaker 5Yeah , you can find me on everything at Shot by CT Straight like that everywhere else . But yeah , man .
Speaker 1Yeah , niggas will have to to get back on and it's the . We used to do lists on this man . This ct did a whole , uh , I think we did a top 10 personal fate , like albums of all time list . Oh , that's right , I definitely . Yeah , niggas gonna have to tap in with that again . And then niggas did the mcu movies too . Tap in with that again . And then niggas did the mcu movies too . Okay , yeah , so niggas might have to jump on here and do a list about something and chop it up about that , for sure . But yeah , man , uh , we'll have the uh , the contact in the show notes so y'all can tap in with them , follow them , you know , since everything is about fucking engagement now ,
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Speaker 1y'all can lock in with them . Like I said , I appreciate y'all boys for jumping on . I'm finna . Go tap into this Western Conference finals real quick . Go man .
Speaker 1Real nigga activity . We need that Luca , kyrie , jalen and Jason .
Speaker 3That's gonna be nasty . We need that For sure we need that For sure .
Speaker 1So yeah , For sure . So we'll holler at y'all later . Until next time , peace , peace .