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Speaker 2welcome.
Speaker 3Welcome. You are listening to Lorde keepers, a lower building podcast where we talk about eons of history, heroes and villains and the forces that were about at all. I'm Carter. Whether you're interested in stories looking for inspiration in your own world building or perhaps you want to participate. We've got something for you this week. We're talking about bloodlines and racial tidepools, whatever that means. But first, how you doing, frank?
Speaker 4I'm doing pretty good. Um, gosh, I don't know, like life has been kind of crazy for the last couple weeks. Lots of moving in and out. We accidentally overpaid on our rent for old place, so kind of wrapping that up this weekend, but I also just got back from a five day trip to yellowstone and back.
Speaker 3You see any bear?
Speaker 4We. Okay. We actually did though. Uh, we saw a mama bear and baby bear.
Speaker 3Oh, that's a very dangerous place to be. Yes.
Speaker 4Yeah. We were really glad that we had bought, but bear spray. Um, we were just like on the trail and they were, you know, we are, we're doing a trail for that day. We climbed up the, the, um, the first traces of uh, one of the Teton mountains which is like in a park south of, of yellowstone. It's kind of connected. Um, but it was a, yeah, it was like literally, like 20 feet from the trail and it just paid us absolutely no mind, but we did not get close enough to the trail to actually walk past it. We just skirted around it because it was there with. It's one of its cubs.
Speaker 3Yeah. That's a good way to die. Yeah, seriously. I mean we had the bear spray ready so I think we would have probably been okay, but still, I mean like you just don't want to deal with that like at all.
Speaker 4But Dude, the baby bear especially was so freaking adorable. It was, it had like the mom was like, I think just trying to tear apart a rotten log to get at some grubs or something. And uh, the baby bear suddenly appeared as it's like, it's sort of like worked its way over the side of a limb, like, you know, kind of like wiggling its body over a fallen trunk. And it was very cute.
Speaker 3Did you have a bear a bear bail on you?
Speaker 4No, we didn't. Um, there were some other people we were supposed to, at least they weren't grizzlies. There's apparently a lot of the grizzlies in yellowstone, but this was a black bear. So they're not nearly as territorial and also not the size of a, of a hatchback.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean black bears are pretty chill. They're the most chill of bears.
Speaker 4Yeah, they're there. They're known for being chilled bears.
Speaker 3Yes. But you know, grizzlies are a little bit known for eating people.
Speaker 4Yeah. Which I'm really glad that, that we heard there was a little bit later, there's trails that they were like, Oh yeah, we've got severe bear warnings on this one, like extremely hyper activity. So if you go down that one, probably have like four people or whatever as like, oh, like you didn't say what I didn't hear you say was stay the hell away from there. You said go down there with four people after telling me that it was a severe verbal warning with grizzlies. Yeah. I think we're just in different frames of mind here. Um, we're just going to go. Not Be around there at all. Yeah. But no, it was, it was a really good time. I'm, the driving was also really enjoyable, which is honestly my favorite part of a road trip. We drove through seven states, um, and were surprised by how beautiful some of them were. Like.
Speaker 3Did you drive through Wyoming?
Speaker 4Yes. Wyoming was actually one of the more beautiful places in my opinion.
Speaker 3I had a, um, a counselor from my high school who was from Wyoming and he said that the straw that broke the camel's back on him moving out of Wyoming was his car broke down once, middle of nowhere in Wyoming, which is most of Wyoming. And he was out of the car fixing up one of his tires when and it was very windy when a rock, which was, you know, airborne rock because wind smacked him in the temple. And he's like, no.
Speaker 4Yeah, no, I can totally understand that. When you're moving. See, here's the difference. Here's the difference between living. First of all, if any of our listeners live in Wyoming, I, I think you live in a very beautiful place. I would never want to be. It's when you driving through Wyoming at 90 miles an hour on a highway that's very different from kind of just standing in the middle of it. Like it's very, like you always have mountains off like especially western Wyoming off in the distance and you have like sort of this scrub desert that extends for miles, like hunting, you know, dozens, hundreds of miles in every direction. And so you're kind of on like the one strip of civilization in a long distance. And that makes it very beautiful because I kind of have a thing for deserts, uh, and especially scrub desert. There's something about sort of being in this empty, desolate place with like quiet music playing while you're screaming across it at 90 miles an hour. Very, very enjoyable for me. But also like there were moments where there's just like these beautiful. It made me almost ashamed of fantasy sometimes in that it almost feels like this super normal version of the, of, of what is already jawdropping and its gorgeousness. It's like mountains that tower miles and miles. Oh, over you. You know, that we somehow need to elevate to an even more extreme level because of how unfamiliar we are with just how beautiful the world already is. But yeah, no, it was just like, it was just beautiful. Um, some of those, some of those rock formations we hit, we watched the sun hit a rock formation of this like bright orange stone that was just like, you know, breaking, breaking up out of the ground is though is breaching a seed and it was like 8:00 in the morning and the sun was hitting it. This perfect angle. It was like glowing. This orange is just very pretty and there's like painted hills and stuff, but yeah. Is there a good time? Um, dude, what about you? What have you been up to for the last week? I think. Interesting.
Speaker 3I was studying for the Gres. Oh boy. I have since taken it. Okay. I'm quite happy with my scores.
Speaker 4Yeah, some of the scores you get back, they get, they you can like find out right away, right within some, some level of accuracy. Like they have a predicted score, right.
Speaker 3Basically I took a computer test because that's obviously the way to go brand. It basically gives you back what you're going to get straight away for the quant and the verbal reasoning. Right. Quantitative. Just verbal reasoning because those are just like answer the question and answer the questions. Yeah. Right. You type it, type it in or you stick in, you know, you don't have the bubble will go my one side and so the computer grades that straightaway and it's basically always accurate and then there's a two written parts of the beginning and that someone actually has to read. So I haven't gotten that back yet, but I did get the two other scores.
Speaker 4And how'd you do? I mean, I guess you don't have to tell the score to all of our listeners or something, but like you've, you, you did pretty well.
Speaker 3We can tell the score. I got a one slash 66 on the verbal reasoning and a 1:54 in the crop.
Speaker 4One 66 dude, we want 54 solid. But like one 66 is. That's really high. It's seven percentile. Yeah. Oh, I, I, I'm kind of amazed, honestly. That's incredible. 90 seventh percentile. Was that for verbal reasoning? That. Is that what you said? I'm doing the right now. You should feel really good about that.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean, um, I've always done very on the standardized tests.
Speaker 4Yeah. I never have really done that well, I think I just test bad. Yeah. And it sounds like the unfair thing, maybe it's just an excuse, like honestly, it could just be an excuse and that I'm just not very good at studying. But the funny thing is, is that like, okay, so I've got Adhd, right? I took meds, uh, I like took my focus meds that keep me focused before the test at Graham with adderall. Uh, it's, it's a term called I think methylphenidate, but basically does the same thing as that will kill. Oh, oh. Oh, I, I mean, dude, I wouldn't know. Uh, but no, it's like, um, it's kind of the equivalent of Ritalin and it's, I could feel myself draining of focus the first half of the test I was killing it. Like I knew that I was getting every answer right. And then like as it, as it like drained out of my mind, I was like, oh no, I should've brought an extra one because I could feel myself, like literally just losing focus and like I was just distant and couldn't pay attention to the second half of the, of the testing. And I got my ass handed to me from my score as a result. Like I didn't protest very bad, but I, my, my percentiles significantly dropped. I think I ended up in the 80th or 82nd percentile in both tests because of it. And it just sucked.
Speaker 3I mean, better than male math.
Speaker 4Well, you know, you're not, you're not becoming a math major.
Speaker 3I was actually unfortunately, you know, unpleasantly I should say surprised at how low my math was because I used to be really good at math, but it's been so long since I've done math.
Speaker 4I mean probably just generals. Right. That you've been doing recently?
Speaker 3Um, no, I haven't done math since high school. Well, I guess the first year of college.
Speaker 4Okay. Gotcha. Yeah, I got something out of the way. It's been three years basically. Right enough about math though. We should probably get into the, uh, to the, to, to the podcast, right? Yeah, sure. Do you have any, uh, do you have any Dank nugs that you've been thinking about for the last couple of weeks and spent a little while since we talked last?
Speaker 3I mean, the, the, the very valued listeners may not have noticed even though we talked about it, but it still may not have noticed, but we recorded back to back just to make sure that our listeners had their fix and now we're back again after, what was it? Two weeks a week.
Speaker 4Yeah. Yeah. I like two weeks of not recording. I spent a little while. Yeah. And so, uh, we're glad to be back. Yes we are.
Speaker 3But a dank nugs. Um, I don't have one right now, but if you start I could probably search one out.
Speaker 4Okay. Yeah, it's been, like I said, it's been a couple of weeks. We're, uh, we're, we're, we've got some oil. We're just oiling the gears right now. But um, here's, here's one that I think kind of fresh in the pot is um, so in, in again, so I draw some, a lot of my creative inspiration from magic the gathering because it's just having it for those who don't know, it's basically like a card game. You can think of it kind of like Pokemon, except it came before pokemon. Um, for those of you don't know, Pokemon is also a card game. Um, but uh, there's so basically like each card might have, like, it might be a creature my dispel or something like that. I'm like the equipment and each one of them just has like the little picture of somebody doing something and it's this gorgeous art that all of these different artists do. And so, um, and then they also have like different planes of reality that they'll like it kind of exploring each expansion of this card game. So one of them that they did is called[inaudible] and it's like this place where it's sort of a mixture of bright blue skies and the, the brilliance of inventors, especially kind of like a Arabian inspired, um, from the time during the Middle Ages, when, during, when, what was the Dark Ages in a lot of Europe was in the Middle East and the, the eastern parts of Europe in the western parts of Asia where there is much more strong Islamic influence was actually a time of great knowledge and a gaining of knowledge a lot of the time when there was the inquisition and the d like burning and destruction of knowledge and the western Europe. Anyways, point being it, it has this very cool flavor to it. Um, and so there's a mix of that. Plus, I'm sort of an impressive an oppressive regime. There's a, a consulate that is kind of like preventing the inventors from doing all this stuff that they want, but all of that to say that there is this idea in sort of the lore of that realm called quick smithing, um, where when ingenuity and invention is held so highly as this ideal of, of what it means to be like sort of a quality person in their entire lives revolve around creating cool contraptions and servos and, and, and constructs and, and machines and doctors and all this stuff. Um, there's, uh, it's, it's almost like a, a sport called quick smithing. We're basically, they will superheat metal and using magical processes will, you know, metal band, what, like, like a water vendor but metal band out these like filigrees, um, and create frameworks or structures. And so as a result they can create these beautiful pieces of art or they can create. But yeah, uh, like, like cool, interesting contraptions that can only be done well, you know, kind of strike while the iron is hot. Like, well, the metal is still soft because it's hot and so they're, they're, you know, they're Smith and quickly. Um, and as a result you get these like bizarre and strange forms that all have these big swooping thin lines of curves in and whatnot that all, uh, so, so in some of the most brilliant of inventors have this ability to do this very quickly. I don't know, I just liked the, liked the concept and especially among the gnomes or kind of the more eccentric people within the realm of Halloumi, um, the idea of having these sort of quick smithing tournaments or tournaments around being ingenuity and inventing. It's sort of like, um, it's like live build it as you go battle bots, you know, it was kind of what I'm imagining is, is uh, you know, sort of these, yeah, these arenas where people are like making servos or, or some sort of contraption and it's like about beating the opponents through. I don't know, some sort of maybe difficult to read. Like initially parse like scoring system or whatever, but I don't know, I just thought it'd be really cool to have basically like competitive and venting and like what kind of societies would really hold that up. Like would that be endorphin thing as well or with the dorms kind of sneer at that as being like or traditional doors, looking at that as being like you can't create reliable technology, you know, in seconds. You know what, what good is that ingenuity when it's supposed to last for 100 years and the gnomes are looking at it like we don't need it to last 100 years because we're going to come up with something new in a week.
Speaker 3Yeah, I think that's definitely very door and mindset.
Speaker 4Yeah. Something Sturdy. Old is the mountains. Exactly. What about you? Uh, anything come to mind yet?
Speaker 3Yes. So I had a question for you. Sure. So we have this idea behind a majors, right? The most powerful of majors have opened themselves up to all nine of the flow, right?
Speaker 4Oh yeah. The magicians who have access to all nine. Yeah.
Speaker 3So I'm thinking that, you know, these kinds of majors are obviously either great heroes are great villains, they have very big impacts on society, right?
Speaker 4Yeah. Whoever they are, they are not quiet in there, not invisible.
Speaker 3So what I was curious about is do other heroes maybe more emotionally inclined to ones like the greatest swordsmen, do they also have a kind of connection to the nine flow that they have allowed more in kind of similar to the main page or is it just not the case?
Speaker 4Yeah, this is definitely something that I actually have been thinking about. So obviously on some level of transparency, um, you know, Carter and I are kind of in the process of turning the world of Halloween into something we can actually release as a sort of, you know, something that other people can integrate into their own campaigns or games or whatever if they play d and d. But even if you don't, you know, just kind of as a part of what, you know, what the world building is about. And I've thought about this like in a game of d and d, You know, you'll have the magic users, but then you have other people who don't cast magic at all. They're just fighters or whatever. And so I've been thinking about it and I think that there is something that is at least analogous kind of a process of almost like, you know, anything when you think of, I'm sure I'm botching this meant like metaphysically, but the process of opening up Chakras and how that kind of gives you greater enlightenment by, you know, releasing sort of these points in the body that are supposed to be kind of like sources of toxins, um, and letting them kind of flow clean. Like you let water flow through a, you know, a brackish place. And so I don't know how that would manifest, but do you get this idea that people who are greater fighters are people have greater, might have in some way gained greater access to the knife? Because that's the thing. It's just like, just because you don't cast magic doesn't mean you're not a part of the ecosystem that involves the nine flow. Which the flow of being the source of magic is also aware morality comes from, it's where you know, the, the, the ideals of that which makes us human or that which makes us like a, a moral person come from. So everybody is affected by those in one way or another. Just because they can't match a cast magic doesn't mean they're not a part of that system.
Speaker 3Same reason itself's flows within the nine flow. Exactly. So like
Speaker 4did you have any ideas for how that would manifest? It's definitely something I've been thinking about and mauling over.
Speaker 3So I actually came up on the fly a method that the, a, I'm not really how you can manifest it, but mechanically how you might integrate this into like a level 20 level system that you have in, for example, at the end date. Oh sure. Yeah. Which at every. So basically you have level one, you have a level 20, right? Yeah. Cut those out because screw those levels. So then you have 18 levels. Right?
Speaker 4Interesting. So two levels.
Speaker 3Every two levels he gives you access to new flow.
Speaker 4I like that, you know. Uh, that's definitely, and so this is kind of some of the stuff that I think will be investigating in the future because that's one of the things I've been thinking about is would you create an alert? Would you create an alternate system that's more like milestone xp where when a person does something that would, could be argued to be like, they understand this at this abstract now wisdom or they act in a creative way or something and they perform sort of like a significant enough feet, then they advance to gaining that access and you know, like, uh, yeah. So I'm, I'm really curious to see like I would love to kind of shop that with you and figure out what that would look like.
Speaker 3Yeah, I think it'd be an interesting mechanism to explore. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4Wow, that's cool. Um, okay. Well Gosh, I, that kind of relates but I can't think of a really fashionable segway. So I suppose we should probably just jump into it. Right?
Speaker 3So we're talking about bloodlines, racial tide pools and what that means.
Speaker 4Right. I think probably a good place to start with this would be to talk about should we start with racial racial tidepools first or bloodlines? I think it'll be easier to understand and the under the context of racial tidepools. Okay. Right. Then that's a good place to start. So in the world of Alamay, there's kind of three different ways that people like three large umbrellas, three, which people typically access magic and they roughly associate to the instinctive, the empathetic and the mental. So people who are very mentally minded, we'll focus on um, uh, there, there, there are, what commonly are known as a weavers and we talk about this somewhat and I believe episode. Gosh, is it for magic and the abstracts. Oh Damn. Nailed it. That was just off the off the brain, off the dome there. Um, but yeah, so if you're curious about that stuff more, um, we uh, I would say check that out, but we can, uh, we'll kind of reiterate a little bit of it here. Basically just saying that there are um, yeah. So there's conductors, weavers and binders. Weavers are sort of the mental because they follow like typical protocol and so it's about using kind of like greater mental skill to refine your tactics. Um, there are the conductors who are more instinctual in that they're pulling from the weaves that are specifically nearby of the nine flow, the sort of the micro climates and then you have the binders and binders are called such because they typically are drawing on racial tidepools things that they are connected to people around them. I'm typically connected to people of their own species, um, because it's sort of like you can almost think of it like magical DNA that there's sort of an imprint that each person carries that if you tried to bind that with another person it would be not impossible, but this is maybe one of those things that we can put a pin in for now and come back to later in the episode of what would that actually imply. We're not even going to go why we might have the explicit tag on this podcast, but I'm not going to go there. Uh, I don't even want to think about that, but okay. So finders, so, so, so what I'm saying is, is basically binders oftentimes draw on the racial tidepool. Now what is that? So basically what it is is you've got'em all, all dragon born or all humans or all gnomes, they have a baseline of experiencing the latent presence of the sentence, of all gnomes or of all humans across all of the planes. The example I use pretty frequently to describe this is that moment in the first star wars movie were Obi wan and Han Solo and luke are all kind of in the ship and there I think just flying through hyperspace. Uh, but they're on their way to Alderaan right. And older aunt has blown up, I mean, spoilers for 40 year old movie at this point, but all they're on has exploded. And Obi wan, like Dave, it looks like a shadow cast over his face. And Luke is like, what's going on? Like, what's up? Are you okay? And he says, if it feels as though I'm a million souls cried out and we're suddenly silenced. And it's sort of like this latent ability that he had or this awareness that he had of the sorrow that went to cross all of the peoples of Alderaan and he experienced it because he was awake to the forest. And so in with binders and with racial tidepools, there is this tendency towards people having a general positivity or negativity. We are doing well, we're doing badly because of the feeling that all peoples of that race share together. So for instance, historically the elves enslaved humanity, that became sort of this, this culture where humanity was used to feeling despair all the time because almost humans were enslaved in their area. So like across the realms, humans experienced this despair and it became like a weight that they all shared together. So that's a racial tidepool in, in, in general, it means that the magic or the soul energy that that one person feels, if you're of that same species, you will tend to feel that way as well. It is a tendency towards a similitude of experience and how to empathetic. Spell casters kind of utilize this. So if you're a binder, basically what you're doing is you're not reaching to, whereas a conductor is going to reach their local environment. So for instance, they might draw from, if you know, Aragon, um, the, the book series, it's kind, I kind of drew inspiration from that of this idea that he is drawing a, the magic, um, from like sort of like the life energy of living things around him and drawing that together and it's sort of similar like that, but in a way where maybe there is a candle nearby and that candle, it might not flicker out, but it might be gutted and like, or like, you know, kind of like guttering and there might be in another corner a, you know, a warm cup of coffee or something in the coffee, cools down a little bit. It's like drawing all energy from a Rangi. So that's a conductor. A binder is across much vaster distances, but it's also drawing in a much, much stronger connection. So whereas a conductor, it doesn't necessarily have any association with a cup of coffee or with the, uh, with the fire, you know, if there's just what happens to be in the nearby area, the binder feels deeply and oftentimes draws from that racial tidepool because all of the people of their race, they might be really connected to. So for instance, you might have a dragon born that draws on their racial tidepool because they can connect so deeply with other people in there of experiential kind of pool. So yeah. So basically they just used that as the strength or the energy to fuel the magic that they cast.
Speaker 3So here's a question for you, frank. Yeah, we talked about bud lines. Uh, we mentioned that we haven't really talked about yet, but could there be a binder that relies on a smaller but more immediate pool from their bloodline?
Speaker 4If you're saying like drawing on familial connections, I would say absolutely. So maybe. Yeah. Should we take a second to kind of explain like bloodlines of the concept of it?
Speaker 3Um, if you think we've adequately kind of talks a little bit about title pools.
Speaker 4Well, I think because my mentality here is that we're going to start to play around with these a lot and it might be good to have a preface of what a bloodline is and then we can kind of just dive deep into it. That's a good idea. And the implications. All right, so to catch people up to speed, I mean honestly we haven't really even developed a strong sense of. I'll actually call on you in a second here to talk about specifically the Elvin bloodlines because you had some really interesting concepts for that, but there's a, the, the, the idea that we were drawing from what the bloodlines is this idea of sort of if racial tidepools are called such because they represent sort of the over time, the, you know, in and out the rising and falling of the tide of people's, a latent emotion across like, you know, or, or wellbeing across large distances. A bloodline is like the strong vertical, so it's sort of lateral versus vertical and it's like deep through back through time where a family might have pride in their traditions and you know, we have always done things a certain way. So like the doors are a great example of if you're an empathetic ear, a binder, you could definitely be drawing an extremely old connection because in typical dwarven naming a, at least the is that live in mountainous regions. They use beer or sid a as a sort of um, identifier where if your name is like Bella Sid Ritzema, sid means daughter of a beer means son of. And it's not a genetic or a connection. I mean it is to an extent because you are somehow related to that person because they're your family. Not necessarily like you could have married him, but it means basically this was the last time that our family changed their last name because the person with that name did something so monumental and so kind like changing for our clan that now everyone is, seemed to be a daughter or son of them. Like we live under their name, so Ritzema was this, you know, for example is like, must have done something really incredible. Even her sister or her brother's children would have been seen as Sid Mitzvah. Very interesting. Yeah. So, so we should definitely talk about, um, if that, like how does that magic. It manifests like, I know there's, we definitely had an example in mind with the elves. I feel like you would be the person to kind of explicate that much better than me.
Speaker 3Yeah. So let me just talk about my inspiration for it though. Sure. I was, I somehow got to this. I don't remember how or where I found it. Probably read it, but I stumbled upon a campaign setting for dungeon dragons from 1995.
Speaker 4Ooh, that's reaching back a little bit. It was too. I think
Speaker 3I was not born yet. And it's called birthright and an in birthright player characters typically they don't have to be. This is kind of what the campaign's thinks about. So typically they have this, they have birthright or bloodlines and these bloodlines are like from God's in the past and different gods gave different powers and different strengths of bloodline, give know stronger powers are different kinds of hours basically. And I'm having a bloodline major. Very, very important. And you're probably not going to go on a cosmic level like in a cosmic way in like um, yes. Basically you are depending on the strength of your bloodline, either super important to like a destined to be a ruler of like a noble or like a king, but if you're some sort of
Speaker 4kind of like fate or something like that, there's something leaning towards it,
Speaker 3but it literally manifests and you have powers because of your bloodline. Interesting. Like you will live to 200, right? Like it that, like the new minority and it's like airborne because you're the son, you're the, you know, long, long, long grandson of the God, you know, as a Modu or whatever it is that Eric Gordon's long, long father or something. Oh No, no, that would be a l Ross ailerons brother. Fun Fact Wait,
Speaker 4Eric Warren traces his lineage back to an Elf.
Speaker 3I'm technically half of who chose man. Interesting around is known famously as the half Elf. However, on that sell them.
Speaker 4Okay. I didn't really. Okay, that's a. sorry. So that's a sidetrack though. Keep going. Yeah.
Speaker 3So I'm like, this is really cool and bloodlines are like such a super massive trope and all fantasy. Sure. Yeah. I carry tidge. Yeah. Look at, look at Aragorn, look at Aragon, look at, you know, in our own stuff. We've got some blood lines going on and one of our campaigns we're running right now.
Speaker 4Yes. The of five.
Speaker 3Yes. So bloodlines, super huge and fantasy. Something like I would be interested in exploring a mechanism for blood lines for heavily. Right. That's where here and you want to talk about Elvin bloodlines and how they might manifest.
Speaker 4Right. Well a man, a few months ago at this point we were, I think we were just kinda talking late. We had a conversation, perhaps it was over a microscope where I think it was called, do we call it the average real? Yes. Yeah, it was. I mean, it was basically, so in d and d, there's kind of this interesting concept that I think they draw for maybe originally token tokens, mythos, mythos of that elves don't sleep, but they do. They're kind of equivalent in d and D is that they go into a trance, a sort of awaking trans, so it might be mental meditation is that they're doing or going through like sort of practices that are restorative to the, you know, the sort of the less flesh and blood parts of you, but whatever it is, um, it was this idea of sort of almost like waking dreams, um, and the way it manifests in Halloumi Carter, you came up with this like really, really interesting idea of what if that sort of like, almost like ancestral dreams.
Speaker 3Yeah. So basically great heroes of the past are sometimes attached themselves to certain people, but more often a else will get strange dreams that are remembrances of long dead heroes. And my great battles, and as I said before, some heroes are manifesting themselves more in certain people. So certain ells we'll get right almost every night. Another day in the life of this one hero that's so cool. Such an interesting concept that struck me like lightning, that I'm so happy we get to explore and blood lines with regard to the, the, every meal would be very interesting. And just another note here, um, I can't remember where we put it, but uh, the basically the l was considered the f, the, the referee, the every meal to be so important that they are the people of the referees. They're the people of the every.
Speaker 4Right. So like I think we even thought, yeah, that there was like literally like a name that they gave themselves that literally said, you know, the people of the referees or whatever that is. And Elvin. But yeah. No. So like the, one of the things that was so fascinating to me about this idea is that it's almost like you have these larger than life mythological level, almost like Demi God, you know, people who they've rise to be heroes of the land or have injustice or you know, whatever it is, but also not just heroes, but villains. People have such significant presence that they don't ever truly die. Something about the way that they live lives on in sort of almost an ancestral memory that they, they survived death through that. And that is just, I don't know, there's something really engaging about that for me, especially if you know, all of you imagine like the prophecies that could be told about, you know, a kid who they grow up and they start having the same dream every night of, you know, or something that's like eccentric. Like it might be common for these sort of, these tales to be told through the dream with different peoples of the memories of, what am I trying to say here? Oh, just like, you know, maybe what's common is that, you know, there's no particular order or whatever, but people, you know, slowly experience all of these different dreams over their lifespan. But maybe one kid just keeps on having the same dream over and over again of the exact same person or same event. Or maybe it might be, you know, different events, but the same person's life over and over again. And so that the profits are the diviners in that Elvin Society might take note of that, you know, especially if they talk to them about it and say, Hey, I just keep having the same dream. And then they kind of consult the gods or they consult the average of themselves and say, what does this mean? And it says, ah, you are going to be a great warrior, you're going to be a great, you know, art is in or something like that.
Speaker 3Oh my gosh. She just made me think that this isn't like sect of people that study the every in this like an interesting way. And guess what, what if they were lucid dreamers? What if they could, oh my God, of
Speaker 4yes. Especially because I'm, uh, Somnio is a real place. And now I, here's the thing, this is where things start to get a little money. And this is where the, the play, this is where, you know, building the sand castle starts to get real fun because that's kind of basically what we do in this podcast, right? We build sandcastles and sometimes they survive and sometimes just wash them away. But like, first of all, I don't know where this word from here, this, this term came from, so maybe I'm totally aping something, but, uh, this idea of like the dreaming Harold's, you know, that they like late claim or call out to like, this is, you know, this is what this means or you know, these people who dive into the dream.
Speaker 3Yeah. Maybe, maybe they try to, you know, define the future from the past.
Speaker 4Yeah. Okay. Because, okay, here's, here's an idea. I just like, I'm throwing this out here. First of all, I think that might be the name of an adventure or something in d and d, I dunno. But, um, the uh, uh, the idea of, we'll just call them the dreaming Harold's for now. Um, what is it, what is. I just think this concept is really interesting because what it implies is that you can have an entirely. You don't have to write down the, of the elves to grow up with it. You don't, your, your parents might not actually even tell you the stories as you grow up because they would rather let the dreams kind of speak for themselves because everybody shares this sort of, this pot of this cadre of the same dreams over and over again, these myths and these stories that maybe get more fantastical as time goes on, but because they contained some allegorical truth that the elves hold to. But here's, here's kind of where I was going to step in with this. Imagine an Elf that starts dreaming of something that nobody has ever experienced before. And they keep telling other people about, you know, maybe there's this kid who grew up from a young age, uh, and their parents only just started to notice it when they were maybe like seven or eight years old because they talk as though everybody. It's like one of those situations where you're the first to discover that something that you experience all the time is, has nothing to do with what other people experience. And so they're, you know, they're like, oh yeah, like the tail of x, y, z and the things that they did in this situation. And everyone's like, what are you talking about? And they're like, oh yeah, you know, come on, the person the, you know, back into this and with increasing, uh, like, or maybe horror, you know, the people realize like, oh my God, who is this? Who is this and what are they talking about? Especially because like, what if there some elves that can actually dream new things into existence. Like from their own mind. It's almost like planting false history. Yeah. Well also because you have to consider that some of the people, the kids who grow up with this, they might get the wrong idea about who's the hero of a story or something, you know, they might look at a person who is a villain who carried a lot of power under them, or maybe a person who was a slaver looks at them and says, Oh, you know, this is, this is clearly the hero of the story. And completely misses out. And then becomes fixated on that. So you might even get the assertive like sects within Elvin society where you know, people are sharing these stories and sort of are disaffected from the typical of the culture and so they're like rebelling and saying, you know, this person who is actually like an awful person was the real hero, you know? And then you get sort of basically like trolls societies, like you know, Internet trolls.
Speaker 3Interesting.
Speaker 4Anyways, there's like, there's just a lot that you can. There's a lot of places to go with bloodlines. I feel like, oh hold on. But I feel like I kind of got carried away with something. You were kind of bringing up something interesting though about this idea of dreaming Harold's or view unit you, you didn't necessarily call them that, but this idea of people who study these dreams.
Speaker 3Yeah. It's just because it's such an important part. Obviously the ups are going to have a group of people to set aside to investigate and rode around with it. Given these people are going to have some sort of special power, right? That the other apps don't. Do you think
Speaker 4that this creates a situation where there might be some like ancestor worship or something shamanistic in, in nature where it's kind of like you consult the ancestors about a question like, you know, who do I marry or something like that.
Speaker 3Yeah, I think definitely.
Speaker 4So maybe these people are almost like guides into that world and you know, they teach you how to reach out into your ancestral pool and talk to them.
Speaker 3I think. I think so. And I think this kind of council basically I think each kind of own society has their own like set aside dream harold or during you know, sears sears. Yeah. I mean that's basically what they are is serious and I think that each of the senior kind of councils has like representative as well that each go to like the great seer council.
Speaker 4Sure. It's almost like how there's druidic circles where you might have a couple of druids that are us like survey or, or, or manage forests and then they have like a larger hierarchy and then once a every couple of hundred years or something, there was a convocation of all of the different in circles for maybe even around an entire portion of the world that all come together.
Speaker 3Yeah. And I think that is a powerful force political force in health and society as well.
Speaker 4Yes. I would say so. Especially because like you might have king or queen in their concert, like, um, you know, the people who run their part of the society, they might have a court sear who interprets not just the dreams of like the royalty, but also other people's, you know, dreams within the court and that person could definitely have a lot of power over leaning the king or queen one way or another. Absolutely. So, okay, so here's kind of a question. Let's go. Let's get a little messy here. I mentioned some sumner, so, um, to refamiliarize I don't know if we've ever truly dived into sadness where there's so many planes. I'm Sam. This is basically where your mind goes when you drink. So I know we've talked about sort of cork in a bottle situation. If your mind is the cork and your soul is the bottle as you pull the cork away, the bottles of bill, uh, able to be refilled again. Right? So the, the, the cork drifts off into a land of dreaming, right around with dreaming. Yep. Do you think that the elves are actually connecting to some this when they do this or is this a different thing? Because in some bonus there's definitely sort of this landscape where the subconscious mind, the latent subconscious minds of all living in ascension creatures lay the landscape across which the conscious mind's a walk. So, you know, when you take the pull the cork off the bottle, the, you know, that's sort of like a point, you know, you're not tearing apart the cork, but the ephemeral nature of the subconscious is allowed to drift out and overlay across everything. So how can you know, do you think? Do you think other people that aren't elves show up and these dreams and if so, are they main characters or are they just supporting role
Speaker 3always supporting. Come on.
Speaker 4Right? Because that. And that makes sense
Speaker 3because it's the junior, right? Going about that heroes. But I think that one thing that is interesting to explore, and I think you tell me if this is true, right? What if it's the case that there is some else that, and this is probably most elves, the dreams, right? Are hard to discern and are muddled muddied, right? They're not clear. Right. These are the cells that can't reach some. That's right. They only kind of draw from within Elvin tidepool kind of thing. That's where they're. Sure. Sure.
Speaker 4Like the local, the local area around them.
Speaker 3Yeah. But there are those who have very clear and distinct dreams and some even more powerfully can influence the dreams. You know, they themselves. Maybe you have to step into it and those are the ones that get to calmness.
Speaker 4Oh, okay. Okay. Because there is something in the lore of Halloumi, they're there. People known as lucid, you can be lucid and it's, I mean it's basically a lucid dreamer. It's a person who can literally step waking into the world of dreams and kind of control of themselves in it and it's sort of like a more fantastical version of the idea of actual lucid dreaming because in this landscape you're kind of actually interacting with other people's. But you're saying that it's almost like this idea that when like elves may enter the Aba Real, the trans, that there is sort of this regionally, they might be experiencing the Leighton subconscious sort of dreaming of other elves around them, the deep or or those that maybe they feel the closest with because I think that kind of stuff doesn't necessarily have a distance in the same way that racial tidepools don't. You're saying that there's the. There are those who dream stronger or weaker. See, I hadn't even considered that. The idea of those who like have clearer dreams versus muddy dreams and so like those who dream very clearly might have a great chance at being a sear
Speaker 3one day. I think some of these people, right, some people that are driven very clearly is because they have a bloodline, they have a connection to some of these heroes and that basically makes it so much easier for them to envision what does, what happened to this hero and others just have this powerful ability that basically they can walk into the dream,
Speaker 4right? The, the especially powerful ones are the ones who may not even have any association whatsoever with any hero and yet they can reach out to them regularly. Exactly. And is it okay? So this actually implies a really interesting question to me, which is or answer to a question which is are these people in some way like real like are they ghosts in the machine? And I think that they are in some way, it's almost like an elephant afterlife where and now this is definitely drawing on some 40 k, Laura, some warhammer 40 k Lord because this is kind of like what the hell? Dark, right? That's what they're called LDR. The Ldr kind of have this where there's almost like a, a network of sort of a sentient presence through A. Yeah. Is that what this called the craft worlds? Worlds of the Eldar? Yeah. They're giant floating ships and space. Oh, right, right, right.
Speaker 3Yeah. You're thinking of um, maiden worlds or x, exodus, exit, our elder, something like that. They actually, you know, they were like the weird colonies on the edge of the empire that didn't get destroyed when she was born.[inaudible] quick, lower dumpier I'll be real quick so that you can ask. God was born from the collapse, failed our society because decadence and she loves consuming eldar souls. When an elder die, she eats their soul. So they built little stones that when they died, their soul goes into stone and doesn't go to slash. And when they, they gather these stones and put them into the infinity circuits in their craft world, which are the ships and thus they can talk to their dead
Speaker 4picture. It basically like if all of your being could be downloaded into a tiny usb drive that you wear around your neck and then you put that usb drive into a giant network of other computers where you could kind of live a simulated, simulated afterlife. Yeah. So, um, there's definitely something here though where I think, I mean, we're definitely doing a similar thing. I think that this is really intriguing though, this idea of almost like, do you think that the elves would pass on into the[inaudible] or I mean not alluvium, uh, a etherium the sort of the heavens if they, when they die and that they are kind of presented a choice or do you think that they just, all of them ended up here? Like if they're not going to the theory and why aren't today?
Speaker 3This is the thing. We have a choice here. We can either say, you know, it's canon else, don't go to the theory and they kind of stay within this tide pool of their race. So if all else die, all else forever are nonexistent. Or we can say they do go the theater like everyone else. It's just they had, they still have a connection through this tide pool to mortal elves.
Speaker 4This is interesting. So I think here's the thing, what might be, what might be cautious about this is first of all, whatever we choose is not set in stone because that's one of the fun things about our approach to world building is that it exists within periods of time. So like it could be that some. So like here's one way we could go with it. Maybe there was an event that happened sometime in the past where either it could be that the elves were cursed to be this way. It could be that because they were cut off from the etherium and they didn't wish to die during, you know, after the ash curse, which was basically just the cataclysm that broke the world and cut off the heavens from the earth. They, you know, maybe they were like, well we don't want to die. Let's create sort of almost like a manifold that we can exist within Intel. Maybe one day we get reconnected or you know, or one day that God's kind of come and come down and take us back and tell them we can live on in, in, in memory.
Speaker 3Yeah. When you got to open forum, this decision, maybe I should share with you my idea for the original purpose of the average.
Speaker 4Okay, sure. Lay It on me.
Speaker 3So the ells were used as guides for the human thread,
Speaker 4right? There were meant to be somewhere between ambassadors and older siblings that were supposed to be a bridge between the earthly and the divine.
Speaker 3So what if the every was created, so angels and other greater angelic beings such as the regions and other minor gods could communicate to the els through the etherium what they ought to do.
Speaker 4So are you saying that like back during even primer, the, the other real still existed back then and what it was was it was a way for the ancestors that the elves looked up to, were not other elves. It was the gods and angels themselves. Is that what you're saying? That makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Especially because say that a system like that existed after that I think would be, especially after eva primer and the ash curse, there's no way that the elves were able to reach when they had, when they lose access to magic, there's no way they're going to be able to create something of such magical premise power as the aba real, but it would make sense of that already existed that they could repurpose it. Yes. Okay. That's really interesting. Almost like you're kind of like reprogramming a server, you know, like you know before the server was made for connections or something, but now you're trying to use it as a hard drive and it's not really what it was originally made for and so weird stuff can happen in, but you can get weird bugs but you can use it that way if you have to.
Speaker 3Yeah. And maybe the, maybe the actual app, the creation of the Avril as an ancestral hardrive. Like you're saying, maybe that was a bug from the Avril being disconnected from the Internet.
Speaker 4These metaphors really works though. I mean that totally. I don't know, there's something really engaging about that idea, like, okay, so, so say that the ever real. Yeah. So say that that's kind of what happened. I think that that's what makes sense to me. The average real so. So kind of in summation, the Amarillo was originally this place for um, yeah. And, and you know what, I bet the, the connection, the trances even were a daily dose of what the Gods, you know, had to say. And so like, you know, the Gods and the uh, the elders would regularly to. This makes so much fucking sense, doesn't it? It literally be like, okay, so you got an Elf there or at the time they were just called Faye because they kind of just, their appearance was how they chose, you know, you think of seders in centers and stuff now. And people are basically locked down to what they look like. But the elves were basically just one aspect of the Fei. And so, you know, they were the ones that were like the human ambassadors and so they were okay, that's a whole other thing. I got a pin, we'll come back to that later, but like they're literally, they've got a cadre of maybe seven or eight humans that they're tending to and they're sort of like a spiritual guy, but also like a way for them to kind of like they're a counselor, you know, person that the humans can talk to about things that they're trying to seek out and understand because they're, you know, new children on the world and for four hours a day they go into this trance where they interact with the gods and bring these questions up and, you know, talk to, you know, the archangels and things and say, Hey, what do you think about this, you know, what do you say about this? Um, when they get to a question that they can answer and then the gods provide the answer and bring it back to them. And then after the ash curse, they basically were afraid of what would happen to them. And they saw this thing as being a dead connection and said, what if we just stored ourselves in there?
Speaker 3Yep. Wow. Okay. Quick quick, a side note. Our archangels are called dawn's, if you remember.
Speaker 4Oh yes, that's right. Or they literally just called[inaudible] or was there. Oh, because you have the desks, right?
Speaker 3Yes. Don's desks.
Speaker 4Yeah. Ducks are basically like the fallen angels. They're not necessarily like devils, but there are angels that have compromised their morality. Okay. Do. That is really cool though as far as like snippets. That makes a lot of sense. Man. We might actually just have to do another episode on racial tidepool some other time because I feel like there's a couple of huge questions that I have, but maybe we should just wrap it up.
Speaker 3We've talked. We didn't talk a lot about bloodlines in general and Typos in general, but I think really digging into the doors and the ells really for me, I feel like I understand that much better.
Speaker 4Yeah, I definitely will. This is a great jumping point so that when we revisit this, like the Aba real is a great example of what a bloodline looks for elves. I really curious to see how that appears in dwarven and even human culture especially because I think time is a huge aspect of it, but we should probably wrap up. So before we do Carter, was there anything that, like during this episode, I think it's pretty obvious there was at least a couple things. Um, was there anything that you would really like to see an episode on later?
Speaker 3Uh, yes, absolutely. The elements series come on the wall.
Speaker 4Yes. Fleshing that out. That would be interesting to see like court intrigue or you know, what, you know, how that implies, like how is it different for wood elves versus hiles versus clss, like all of them are probably going to have a different take on it. And also what those dreams imply
Speaker 3and frank, did you find interesting or you'd like to revisit?
Speaker 4Oh, okay. Well, okay. So my pin, my main pain that this was just kind of a random non-associated thought, but hey, I would really like to explore, especially dwarven bloodlines, uh, if it's, if it hasn't been clear to you yet, like a sort of a repeating trope in our, in our podcasts is that Carter's favorite fantasy race, his elves and minor doors. But the, the thing that actually really did that like just kind of came out of nowhere was okay, so can I kind of mentioned back then back during Eva Primer, it was just the fit, right? Like all creatures that came from the movie and we're just known as the fe and the elves were just the fade today. I said something that made me think about like, take serious pause. So I was like, Oh, you know, whatever form they chose to take. And the elves were just the ones that happened to be the ones that were hanging out with humans. So my thought is, yeah, if the gods made the illusion to look after the world and be sort of like this, this midway point, does that imply then I think that implies that if they chose like a certain village for themselves, that the elms were literally took on a humanoid form so that they could interact with humanoids and like, or like humans specifically and that that means then that are suggested then that like centaurs or seders or whatever had a domain that they also looked after that was different for different like groups. So maybe the center is we're like meant to like tend to the horses or like tend to what, you know, tend to livestock or something, you know, maybe maybe Seder is where it took that form, I don't know, maybe not because of goats but just because of like the woods or something.
Speaker 3Maybe they're like mountain goats and they hadn't had to like jump around within mountains.
Speaker 4I don't know, I just think there's a really interesting implication there that definitely could be episode worthy in the future.
Speaker 3Absolutely.
Speaker 4All right. Well, for, for, for now, I think we got to set this up because, uh, even though we feel like we've only just tapped into what all the potential bloodlines, um, we're going to have to come back to it next time. Um, so I would, I would just like to thank all of you for listening. We hope you enjoyed this exploration into the lands sadar and the realms beyond and, and perhaps found some good material to add to your own stories. You can reach us@thelowerkeepersontwitterandyoucanemailusatLaurakeeperspodcastatGmail.com.
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