Doc Ish Interview (Episode 153) | Nick Egan Times

On this episode we have got a powerhouse guest! We have the incredible Grammy Award winning, multi-platinum producer Doc Ish! Doc Ish has helped shape modern hip hop and is best known for Eminem’s global hit: “We Made You,” which cracked the Billboard Hot 100 - Top 10 and charted worldwide! With over a two decade amazing career, he’s worked with legends like Wu-Tang Clan, Joe Budden, KRS-One and many more! Beyond music, Doc Ish is the founder of the amazing InYaHead Academy, using music therapy and digital media to empower at risk youth! Doc is also co-host of the Doc n Danze Show with Billy Danze and was inducted into the Connecticut Museum of Culture and History in 2023! 

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SPEAKER_01 0:17

Hi everyone, thanks for this episode Nicky in Science. On this episode, we have a powerhouse guest. We have the incredible Grammy Award winning multi-platform producer Dokish. Dokish has helped state modern hip-hop and is best known for MM's global hit We Made You, which crafted the award 100, top ten, and started worldwide. With over a two-decade amazing career, he's worked with legends like Willie Sunny Clan, Joe Bodden, KRS1, and many more. Welcome to the Multi-Talented Docus and thanks for coming on the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

Appreciate it, Nate. Thank you for having me on here.

SPEAKER_01 1:06

You're very welcome, my friend. Let's jump straight into it. Take us back. Tell us about your family, your life growing up, and um everything relating to that.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

Um it's it's it's it's it's a long, long story. But uh I basically uh um I grew up a little bit differently than most people. Um and uh I moved around a lot. I was born in uh Dallas, Texas, where a lot of people don't know. Um, but I was raised mostly on the East Coast and in the Northeast. Um and uh uh my family um history is like you know, the the the typical uh father leaves home, never comes back, uh goes out for a pack of cigarettes. But my mine was uh more chasing his uh his uh secretary. But um, and then so the man that actually uh took the place, um uh he was an African-American gentleman, so we grew up in a very uh interracial uh setting of a household. So um so I didn't grow up as a typical Irish boy who was surrounded by a bunch of mix and and and alcoholics and stuff like that. Um so it was uh it was definitely uh different. And it's funny because um growing up um I played sports. So like my whole uh life was all about um playing sports, being an athlete, you know, uh playing soccer, playing football, baseball, basketball, you name it, especially when Jordan came out. Everybody wanted to be like Jordan. So um, so you know, um I and then strangely enough, um I got sick a lot. So I had a lot of health issues growing up. Um, and they didn't uh I was hospitalized my sophomore year, and then I was hospitalized again my senior, but my sophomore year, um, they got scared and uh they wouldn't allow uh me to play sports anymore. So uh that turned into a lot of depression because my whole life was so set on sports, you know, going to college, playing it, you know, going, you know, hopefully go into the league and whatever sport. So who knew I had a hidden talent in music? Um and uh I found the outlet and started uh uh my boy Khaled, uh he goes by class from uh SUP out here in Hartford. He was making beats on the ASR 10, and I thought it was cool as hell, and I was like, you know, how you do that? But I I DJ'd in middle school. So I came up with you know some music background, but I didn't take it serious because I I took sports more serious. Um, but I used to DJ uh parties, uh uh seventh and eighth grade for high school kids, and uh that's how I I made a lot of my money was uh uh doing that. So I knew about blending, I knew how to cut and stuff like that. So um, so that part, plus my uncle, he was a drummer, so it helped, you know, the background of the foundation of making the beat, right? Um, and then that's how I got into the uh whole music stuff, and then uh by the time I was a senior uh in high school, um I got sent down to uh Virginia um and there was a uh record label that was under Missy Elliott and um uh uh Malik from M5 and he signed me and uh a couple members of my crew and uh and then we were on a label until the IRS came and uh shut it down. And then uh and then so I moved to New York City um and I lived in Brooklyn for a while, and I had a um I got my first production deal from there, and then everything else went from there.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

That's really fascinating. Wow, it's an incredible story.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Yeah, it it's it's it's crazy. There's a lot of layers to it, but I'm trying to I'm trying to make it quick, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 4:59

I get it, I get it. Um how did the name Donkeys come about?

SPEAKER_00 5:03

So it's funny because um my first name was Doctor Strange, and um and that was before like the Marvel movies and all that stuff was coming out. Um and so I thought it was cool because I always wanted to be a doctor growing up. So I was gonna play sports, but then my my overall goal was to go to school college and and uh uh become a doctor. So doctor has always been there, you know what I mean? Um and then because it was already a Dr. Dre and and it was um and then Strain Wonder came out from the uh Boot Can't Click. Back in my day, you couldn't have a name that was remotely close to anybody else's. You had to switch it up. So everybody liked Doc. Um, but we try to figure out like what um and then one day uh my boy Swift, who was part of uh my first rap group, which w which was DNA, Doc and Apollo, um he came up with Ish and uh was like what is it gonna, you know, what's it mean? And then because I was a rapper actually first and the producer, so like Doc was like the scientist, and Ish was the the artist, the rapper. So it was like split personalities. And my brother was like, Ish stands for intelligence surpasses hatred, because um my brother, um who was the the son of Herschel, who my mother was with, um coming from an interracial family, we were heavy on that, you know what I mean? So it was just crazy because I was like, yo, that's dope. And then we just rocked with it ever since. Like we joked around and be like, I'm so high, and and have other different nicknames for it. But um uh yeah, I was uh senior in high school when we came up with it. I tried to change it actually a few times to stuck it stuck with me, and I was uh I was Doc-ish forever. So, you know, I I like it now, you know what I mean? But you know, back then I was kind of like 50-50, you know.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

It's a tremendous thing. I love it. Tell me about your incredible organization, uh, In Your Head Academy, and how that came about and what it means to you personally and professionally.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

So that's a good question. So um In Your Head Academy uh started from In Your Head Productions, which was my production group. Um, and in 2007, I I finally figured out how to run after school programs and help kids. So for years, I was always helping out kids that had been convicted of violent crimes, um, kids that had been uh in gangs, locked up. Um and so we used music therapy. I thought it was cool if they learned, you know, production and and uh recording and engineering and stuff like that. Um and then it I didn't realize how therapeutic it was, not only for the kids, but for myself. And a lot of kids would, you know, tell their backstories or or or vent or handle their anger and frustration into something positive. And once I started um just running with it, we started having a lot of impact stories. A lot of kids that were in gangs were fighting literally before. Like I had one kid who literally got beat up by the other kid and we're in the same class together. Um and that was my first day with them. And so it was crazy because they understood and respected that my space was was like Switzerland. It was like whatever comes here is safe. What happens in the streets stays in the streets. So it was amazing because my first year um doing it, uh they became friends at the end. And it was an impactful moment, and the director was uh of DCF, she was crying at the at the ceremonies and stuff like that. And so I was like, I really want to do this. I never really could commit full time to it because of my music career. Um it's it's a lot, you know, you have to be there for the kids. Um, you can't say, oh no, I can't be there because I have to go on tour. No, I can't be there because uh such and such needs me down in New York or out in California or whatever. Um so years later, now, you know, in 2026, 2025, I filed for my 501c3 nonprofit. And now I, you know, now it's a nonprofit organization where not um just a couple of things. What we do is it's an after-school program that we run Monday through Friday. Um we feed, we've already fed 263 uh meals to the kids. Um, so we feed the kids. We have uh great relationships and partnerships with Jersey Mike and uh other local uh establishment. Um we do Thursdays um where it's like family night where um the uh I have a team mom, so all the parents and guardians, they they chip in and they'll cook for the kids on Thursday, so they have home cooked meals on Thursdays, which is which is dope. Um, but we run music production, we we run um two classes of music production because I didn't grow up with FL Studio, so I have a kid who's really nasty at FL Studio, teaching the younger generation who loves to use FL Studio, how to make beats with FL Studio. Um and I teach the MPC, the uh Ableton and whatnot. Uh we have a recording engineering class where we teach kids Pro Tools and learning how industry standard, how to record, how to engineer, how to mix and master with class for podcasting, um just like this. Um so that way the kids are able to to um speak and um and um have conversations. Oh, they love it. They you know they sit there, they put their phone and they got the app going and and and they talk about all kinds of crazy uh uh topics and whatnot. And it's a beautiful way for them to uh engage not only with each other but um with the with the community and and also with themselves in order to like get things off of their chests and talk about stuff that they don't normally talk about. And then we have a major esports program which is uh massive nowadays. It's uh I think it's like over 500 million now online on uh e it might be even higher on uh online now, eGaming, you know, esports. Um, and we have a pipeline out here in Connecticut, which is dope, um, with post university, where uh my uh CFO is gonna be the adjunct professor for the uh for the class. So the kids are gonna actually be able to get college credits in the class, other in high school before they go to college. So it's gonna be amazing. So like I'm really I'm really excited with that one because uh Valvelline Oil and a couple other um sponsors have come in to sponsor the team, which is amazing. Um and it gives the kids a lot of time to, you know, because everybody might be an athlete on the field, but they can play sports, you know. If you can touch a keyboard and stuff like that, you can play. So that I'm very excited about that. And then our last program uh for right now, um, besides photography, is we have um uh what's called makerspace, a steam program. So kids learn how to take apart cell phones. We have all these cell phones all over the place and iPads and PCs, and they learn how to um how these these pieces of equipment actually work. They take them apart, they figure out how how to fix their phones and put them back together. They even created an in your head repair shop, so it's it's really dope. So and we run it. Um we just started, we got our first building uh December, I want to say, it's uh 2025. So it's just amazing. Um, I love doing it. Um, you know, we work with all kinds of kids and uh um boys and girls uh from 13 to 19 years old, uh, in your head.org. So, you know, if you want to participate, if you want to, you know, join in, you know, tap in.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

Incredibly impressive, Black. Wow, that's truly inspiring too, you know, how everything's come about as well.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

Well I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 12:48

Amazing. Um how um tell me about the Doc and Danzi show and how that came about and what it's about.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

The Doc and Dance show, which is funny because it came by accident. So we were so Billy Dance of MOP, uh world famous uh rap group MOP from Brooklyn, um they had this the famous song Annie up. Billy and I uh Billy joined uh the Inya Head Academy um back in I wanna say 2015 maybe. And he tours a lot, obviously, with uh MLP. So his I can't uh be here as much, but like what he tries to do is come up like once a month. Um and then what happened was we were raising money for the kids for Christmas. So in 2018, I want to say, we did a uh uh a FaceTime, I'm sorry, a Facebook live show, and and we were like, hey, what's up? You know, we're out here, you know, running in your head. Um back then it was called in your head program before it became an academy. So we were out here running um for the kids, this is for the kids, everything you donate goes to the kids, and da-da-da-da. And we're talking and we're joking and all that stuff, and we're just being ourselves. It was like, yo, you guys are you guys are funny as hell. Like, this is really dope. Like, I should do it again. So we did it again. Um, same thing, raising money for the kids, you know, still Christmas time. Now we're now I think we're at Christmas and we're like, hey, you know, now's your last chance to you know help donate to a family. Because a lot of a lot of these kids, you know, um have parents that that are on drugs, and um, not say a lot of these kids, some of these kids have parents that um, you know, have unfortunate situations and and and a parent might sell off uh um the ovens, the refrigerators, you know, um and they don't have anything to cook, anything to eat. So, you know, we're sitting there and Billy and I were going in, we're donating, we're we're replenishing with appliances and all kinds of stuff. So we did that, and then everybody was just like, yo, this is awesome. So they were like, Y'all should do a show. The Docker Dance show came to be, and then we started doing the show. We started knocking at the door, Pop TV, different um uh companies. They were like, You you know, the the um chemistry that you guys have, is he? So um, so we're working on the doc and dance show, um, and then it's turning into a reality show, and then the pandemic hit, and then the writer's strike hit. And then so everything got shelf. So so I went back to doing music, he went back to doing music, and then um, and then you know, I came back, you know, and and did this and built this, um, and built in the head academy. Um, and now is it it's resurfaced, um, and now it's been reignited, you should say I should say, and so now the docker dance show is we're sh we're currently shoot shooting the uh pilot um sizzle rail for the uh docker dance show. It's gonna be called Um Still Standing, um, which is a it's like a docuseries, um like a docuseries reality um show comedy series, um, where it's about um Billy and I, but it's also about us helping people, um, helping um kids with their struggles. Um, you're gonna see a lot of uh in Head Academy involved. You're gonna see a lot of um kids uh as they go through different you know dilemmas and stuff like that. You're all gonna see um us helping uh because we help a lot of people, um, not just uh kids but adults. Um so you're gonna see us helping people get jobs. We help people. We have an alumni program, so k kids that were in our program years ago that are 22, 25, 26 years old are still um with us. So we help them out a lot. Um so uh it's it's amazing. Just imagine like Entourage, Robin Big, uh Oprah Winfrey, and um um what's that show where they uh the the owner of the job comes in and and and saves people or he watches people. Um just thinking like all those four shows morph together, you know what I mean? Um so we're really excited. And uh it's uh um so we're we're in the acts of shooting it right now, and we have uh some more shooting uh dates uh in April.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Exciting, yeah, it's incredible. Wow. Tell me about the story with MM We Made You from start to finish and how it all transplied, because it's a truly remarkable story.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

So and it actually was two beats. So I made two and I made two beats, and I was like, um, I want to create something that's really different. Because I I I wasn't really making those beats at the time. It was like really like hardcore hip hop type of beats. So, and I but I make all types of stuff pop, R and B, and um this was like a chance for me to do something different. So I took the beat and I took the other one and I said, you know what, let me make this the hook and I'll this the verse. So then I I melody idea um for a hook, and through a whole bunch of writers and a whole bunch of singers. But um I I want to say like the fourth or fifth was Charmaine. Charmaine Tripp, who's the singer that's still on the on the hook. And she came in, we're in the studio, um, and she's like, you know, she's all over the place, you know. Cause I I like to let the artist be the artist and like let them come up with whatever they feel. I don't dictate and put them in a you know, and put them in a box. Um because then it takes away from their creativity. So coming up with all this stuff, the jazz singer, so like it's kind of out of her element to kind of come up with like a hip hop. So she's like, Doc, what do you have? Like, what's the idea? Like, what do you see? And I said, honestly, you know, I was what 29 at the time, I want to say. And honestly, for this song, for this vibe, for this feeling, I see me and my boys used to go to all these house parties. I don't know why, but there was just a lot of house parties during this time. And it was fun. And so I like what I see is like us coming into a house party. And you know how like when you would step in and you and your crew would come in, everybody would be like, oh shit, doc's here, oh you know, and I like it was such a good feeling. So like you walk into the party and and and it's like like a splash, you're making a splash, and at the same time, does that actually make you popular? Like, like it's not it's not you, it's them. And she was like, I got it. She was like, when you walk through the door, it was clear to me, you're the one that your daughter came to see. You're a rock star, everybody wants you, play you. Who can really blame you? Were the ones that made you? So I was like, get in the booth, let's record. Um take, and then the rest was history. And then it was and then um, well, I should say the rest was history about that part. Um and then um I had this record, and there was a couple of artists that like passed on it, and um was like they couldn't understand it. They were like, this it's too weird, like it's too, you know. Um I think one of them said. I don't want to put anybody's name out there, but it was just like I was like, oh, I I can really let me you know let me show you. But um, and then um and then it was like like horrible management, and I had a like a like I had not a good team. I was surrounded by by by uh uh unhealthy team. And um like, you know, push it to the side, and then um my my boy O love, uh who me and him cannot like we don't we have no idea even to this day like how we met. And I wanted to shop it to um to down in Atlanta. So he was down in Atlanta, and he was like, hey, I could get up with um big boy and get it to him in the studio, and I thought it would be dope to have Outcast over it with um Sleepy Brown doing the hook, like doing something like he didn't have to do that exact same hook, like he could do one of his hooks, but it was just like the idea sometimes. I would I would sell beats with hooks, and it it they would change the hook sometimes, but it would give them an idea, like, oh this is dope, but I got a different idea for the hook, but like if you leave it naked, it's like they're lost, like artists, you need to help them for some reason. Um, so hey, I'm in uh I'm in the studio with uh Bazaar from D12, and like what do you think about him? And I was like, Yeah, nah, he's different. Like I was like, you know, he raps. Um, you know, yeah, and so I'm I'm at a Jade Kiss show and forget it, and then Bazaar's hit me, and finish. I emailed it, I sent it to you, and I was like, Oh shit. So I was so I'm I I'm there at the Jada Kiss show, and I'm like, I gotta get out of here and go back to the studio because I I want to hear this. So I I I leave, I go to the studio. Um I mean Jada Kiss was was pretty much done. It wasn't like I left during the Jada Kiss show. So I don't want anybody thinking I I I got up and left during the Jiss show because I would never do that. But it was it was done, and we were already wrapping up, and like you know, he was saying peace out to everybody, stuff like that. But um, and uh I went back to the studio, I hear it, I listened to it, and I was like, um, crazy. This is crazy. Like he had me laughing because he says a lot of, I don't know if you know Bizarre from D12, but like he says a lot of crazy uh stuff on on the records, and I was like, look, but like we got this radio friendly. And he, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Give me to when I get back to Detroit and I'll and I'll re-record it. So I'm like, all right, cool, cool. So I'm I'm thinking he's gonna send me like a clean version or whatever. Um and between this time, like me and Bazaar have had a lot of dialect and like conversations together, and he jokes a lot. So like he jokes a lot. So like you can't take everything he says serious. So and it's been a while, and he and I'm in a session with Saigon, and um, and I'm sitting there uh mixing down the the session from Saigon, and um and I'm focused, and he's like, hey, uh I just left Marta Beat, and I'm whatever. And he's like, and then he starts laughing, he's like, nah, and then so I hung up. I was like, dude, I'm in a mixing session, like I need my ears, like, you know, back. And so um, so only because I phoned him twice. And his cousin is who I know, who I who I who I grew up with, Umbino. And so Gam calls me up and he's like, yo, Doc, don't hang up, don't hang up. He's like, it's Gam. I'm like, what's up, man? And he's like, yo, he's serious, dude. Don't hang up. Like, no, I'm like, I'm in here with them. Like, this is real. Like, Marshall really wants to track. And I'm like, oh shit. I'm like, you being serious? And he's like, yeah, he's like, serious, like, um, like what Bazaar has to say. And so um, he was just saying, like, hey, you know, um, you know, wants to track, I'm gonna give them your number, they want to call you. Um, and I was just like, whoa, this is you know, this is crazy. And then like quickly, and I was just like, I was so excited, you know what I mean? Because I was like, damn, you know, MM, this is like the best hip hop artist in the world. Um and he's he's making a huge comeback, too, you know what I mean, because he had been hiatus for what, four or five years at the time. So so it was just it was really exciting, and it was just crazy because um the deal didn't go down like I wanted it to. I was fighting with my manager and uh Dre's uh uh attorney. Um my manager uh who's who's uh he got locked up and he's long gone now. But um he, you know, he really screwed me over and uh he teamed with uh Dre's attorney. Um and uh and so they didn't give me um credits. Um credits. Uh they gave me co-production credits. Um and and so it was it was it was it was like a bittersweet th story, you know what I mean? Because it was like exciting and it and and you know it hurts. It hurts sometimes too because you know you don't you don't see uh rewards a lot of times that that that you should have got you know from that, you know what I mean? Because it was it was a hit. I mean it cracked the top ten of the billboards, it went number one in a lot of countries, you know. Um ended up winning a Grammy, we won a Grammy, you know what I mean? Um so uh you know so it but it was it was definitely and then it was it was definitely a a different time because it was like in his first year of sobriety. So it was like, you know, every kind of like keeping him, you know, away because I was up there for like a week in uh Detroit almost. But yeah, it was it was awesome. I mean, you know, um, you know, when I look back at it, you know, obviously there's a lot of things that that I could have did differently and things could have changed. And my health was a huge track too at the same time because I was I was in and out of the hospital during those times. Um, and health is better now. I had it I have it more under under control now, but you know, I was dealing with a lot of lupus stuff, so it it was uh tough. I've always dealt with health issues, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 26:38

So that's an incredible story. Um yeah, it's remarkable, truly remarkable. What's that you've ever received?

SPEAKER_00 26:47

Um probably would be something related to like the in your head academy stuff. Like, you know, when I hear mom in and she was crying and she was telling me a story which was which was emotional, and she was losing her son to the streets or to uh his his father. Uh lived in uh in in Florida. And it was amazing because I'm a parent, I'm a parent of two. Uh both my kids are in college. Um and I love kids, you know, at the academy. You know, they're like an extension of my family, you know what I mean? And uh and she she was saying that you changed my life. She was like, You saved my life. And I was I was like, how so? But I kind of I kind of understood being a parent because her boy she's had her whole entire life, she would lose to either the streets because he was getting into some deep trouble. Um, that's why he was sent down to Florida. And he said, Mom, please let me come back. Like, Doc is building this academy. I promise you, I will do great in school, I will stay out of trouble. I'm gonna just go to the academy. That's all I want to do. And this kid, he comes every day. Like, he comes, he's up if he can't come here on the weekend. Um grades are doing good, and he gets upset when his grades slip, and he hasn't gotten in any trouble. Um, thank God. Um, and it was just crazy because she was like, I thought I lost my son. Um, and the fact that you know he's here and that he's with you, um, and that um, you know, it's just it it like that that was like um industry stuff, you know what I mean? Where it's like, you know, I felt like you know, you should tell me I saved a family. Like that, that was huge, you know, like that hit right there in the heart.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

So Alright, thanks for sharing.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

Busy daily everything that's going on in the world, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? It's a chaos. Um, so you know, it's inspired me, you know what I mean? It's like what can I do to help?

SPEAKER_01 28:54

Oh. You can change anything, could be personally or professionally, what would you change?

SPEAKER_00 29:00

Like like you mean as far as for me or or the world.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

If you could go back really, could be personally or professionally, if you could go back in time, let's say you're 88 again, make it cost of your life.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

Um change like 2015. I probably would change that timeline. Um here and I lost a lot that year. Um was going great, and impact, like I l I I would say maybe go back. I think that um well left the music industry because um my grandfather passed. It was always he always had my back. I was exiled from my family when I was 15 years old. Um so he was the one that only had my back. Um so um losing him, I lost a lot of people, but losing him like really hit home, you know what I mean? And um I wish I would have probably stayed um the music industry um and uh do create and continue to to do all of that stuff because I feel like I lost a lot of time, you know what I mean, and during that period. I I had a lot of fun, I was making a lot of money doing businesses. I mean, I had multiple businesses. I took all the the uh music money and got into real estate, flipping houses and and doing all that stuff. So I had a lot of fun during that time. But um I would say probably probably back to that time, and you know, if it was me talking to me, you know, be able to sit there and be like, hey, like look, you know, um you're gonna get through this and um um you know stay the course and and everything's gonna work out and um and it's better for you to you know to continue to not to stop flipping houses, like not to go into that life because all of everything that's happened, unfortunately, I can't take anything. I can't take anything back because everything that happened to me personally and everything that happened to me business-wise put me into this position I am today. And that's why a lot of times being a CEO of a nonprofit, you have to be able to talk to local people, you gotta be talking, you gotta be able to talk to other CEOs, organizations, sponsorships, and that's like the music industry, and it's also like the business world. So I, you know, everything happens for a reason. So unfortunately, you know, um if there's anything, I probably should have married my girl um when she was pregnant. And she was joking around, and we've been together 25 years, and and she was joking around saying, you know, next year is our wedding to the uh to the guy, and slight turning into like, are we ever going to you know what I mean? So that probably should have been the you know the one thing that you know I go back, you know, and uh, you know, who knew that we were gonna be together this long, right?

SPEAKER_01 31:54

That's an incredible timeline, you know?

SPEAKER_00 31:57

Oh yeah. I was young, you know what I mean? So it's crazy. So I was on I was only 21 years old, so it was just like, you know, you don't think at that time that you're gonna be with this person for you know forever.

SPEAKER_01 32:08

Sure. Thanks for coming on the podcast. I do appreciate it. It's incredible. Thank you for sharing your insights and everything you've done. And yeah, it's remarkable everything you've achieved.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

Man, thank you so much for having me on the show, Nick. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 32:20

You're welcome. You're very welcome, my friend.