Brushes, Respect & Paper Planners with Taylor Marie

In the episode, the Twins interview a new friend discovered during a MakeUp and Hair test for K.H. Couture at 5th Street Studios.  We are introducing other professionals in industries that overlap the photography world and Makeup Artists are like real-world retouchers, making the beautiful even more so.

Meet Taylor Marie, a self-taught, highly skilled and dynamically organized artist. Follow her on Instagram, her preferred social media platform.  Listen as Rob & Jim get schooled in the often overlooked skill of brushes.

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Speaker 1: 0:08

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Speaker 2: 0:09

This is the photo faxed podcast. Now here's your hosts, Jim and Robert. Well, Hello Jim. Hello Robert. It's great to hear you. That's great to hear you man. It's a wonderful audio we have going on the here today, but probably can't tell the listeners anything about that secret project yet. Yeah, we can't do that yet. We can't do it, but soon, soon. So for all the listeners out there, you know, and speaking of the Lynch listeners gym, so many podcast out there have a special word for their listeners. We need to find one for hours. Hmm. Well, like lady Gaga calls her little monsters. She does. Yeah, that's, that's what they're low code is. And then there's, um, I can't remember the lady's name, but she does a d did wrong that little run up in Alaska and her fans are called the ugly dogs. So what about, uh, the shutters, the shutters, because they shut her to listen to us. That could be really bad. I don't know. So listeners out there, why don't you go ahead and hit us up on the, the podcast Facebook page then you just, yeah, you're blaring a little bit. I'm a blaring. Okay. Sorry, I got one headphone on, so yeah. Yeah. So hit us up on the Facebook podcast listeners group and let us know what you would like to be called, where you call our little apertures. Oh yeah, it almost sounds, no, probably not. That's why I just said shutters. I like it when people call me little. It doesn't bother me a lot when I was younger, like it bothered me, you know, cause my grandma always called me little Bobby, so they, oh, I can't believe that actually went on the air. Darn it. Now everybody knows that story. Okay, so we have a special gas. Do you want to go ahead and introduce our wonderful guests that we just met today? Just met today. We went, Robert and I went, or Robert was going to a shoot to help a local fashion designer and designer couture. Shout out, Yay. And uh, Robert said, hey, you should go. Cause you know, we both thought she'd Fuji Now, well I'm not exclusives yet, but so I was like, heck yeah, yeah, I'll go. So, uh, it turns out I, I was actually needed there. So, uh, I was doing some behind the scenes video, so yeah, absolutely. With the new Fuji Cameras. And it was really interesting. Could because once we got there, there was a model in the agency, they're doing a casting call and at the same time they were sharing the space to Kristen. And I'm not kidding, every time I say her name, I can't Kristen. Kristen, yeah. Kristen. Well he didn't say the modeling agency. Right. CNA Maline models. Yeah. So they're doing a casting call, sharing the space and some other photographers that we know showed up to shoot the CNA models. Uh, Giovanni was there from Bedford Camera, which is going to be doing the underwater workshop during photocopy. Yeah. Right. And, uh, Jay set showed up at the end of the day. Um, and I actually talked to her husband longer than I've ever talked to him. Michael. Yeah. Michael. Yeah. Good conversation. Oh, great conversation. Great Guy. Very intelligent. Does a lot of network stuff. Yeah. So while we were there, it was interesting that at one time there were four photographers that really knew a little bit of each other, but we all shot Fuji. Oh yeah. Crazy. I was so shocked. Yeah. But, um, we were there to shoot a, the hair and makeup testing for a video that Kristen's doing as little documentary or a movie or it's for a film festival in video. It was not like any kind of, it's a four k video that's fashion theme. Okay. And the deadline's pretty quick. So she's moving on this pretty fast. And uh, we met someone that was very integral in the part. She was a major part. Well, she's probably like the other part of it because all we were doing was just taking a picture. Right. No, seriously. Because the look that Kristin wanted was specific. Oh, very specific. If, if, uh, Ms. Taylor Horn had not been there, it wouldn't have happened. Yeah, that's right. So I think that's great. So welcome to the show, Ms. Taylor.

Speaker 3: 4:18

Hi. Hello everybody. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2: 4:21

Wow. Sounds great. Isn't it? Wonderful. How she actually trusted us to come to your house to report. No kidding you guys. At first I wasn't just going to show up a smart girl. Smart girl. Yeah. And she probably has like an emergency phone call is going to go off in life as well. We at least have to get to 30 right? Yeah. That's cool. That's great. So let's, I feel, I feel honored to, uh, besides being a very talented hair and makeup artists, he specializes more makeup than in here. And we're going to talk about that listeners. She is a breathtaking, beautiful, creative individual. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much. She, yeah, she's beautiful. Yeah, I think I'm just going to say it was like speechless over here. It's crazy. Yeah. So let's talk about how you went down this creative, I don't know. How do you get getting, doing the hair and makeup?

Speaker 3: 5:18

Okay. So I've been doing hair and makeup professionally for about four ish, five years now. But I started off doing makeup on myself because I was very self conscious. I was like the ugly duckling. I have a million siblings, so I always felt like I was the last one falling behind. You have how many siblings? Well, I have seven siblings. So there are five boys and three girls. The girls younger, older, the, it's a little bit of a mix. Yeah. But so yeah, so my oldest sister or older sister, she's two years older than me, so I always felt like I was kind of following in her footsteps. I love her though. Yeah. Yes. And so I started to do makeup as a way to kind of myself because I felt like I was like falling into the crowd of so many people. Um, and so makeup was just my outlet. So I started off just like kind of learning the little bits here and there, using youtube, using social media to kind of find those people that stood out for me. And then from there it's just branched off into this like creative expression that I get to do every day. So yes, self time. Wow. Do you follow any that's inspirational, like any makeup artists or are local or abroad? Yeah. So there is one that's abroad and he is my favorite. His name is on Instagram. It's Mama. Mama Mitchell. Yes. But he's baby with him. When I was in Spain last year I was like okay. So I mean I made friends with the right people today but he does a lot of like the crazy fun like colors and that's how I first got into like the creative side of it. And then from there it's just been like stepping out and kind of like taking a risk, like trying new things and so it's worked out really well for me. Before we go too far, what is your Instagram before we started, so we asked her if there was a website that we can give our listeners to followers and she said that she is primarily on Instagram and that's how she likes to be contacted. And I asked him how's that working for us quite well. The Instagram name, I have two different Instagrams, either one, either account that you follow, you can link to both of them. So my regular page is Taylor Marie 42 42 dot. Mua and summary. Renee is my middle name. And so that is my makeup account where I post. So listeners go follow her. That is fantastic. I love Renee. Renee is just stunning. Okay. So what's this in here that has magazines. Oh Be Louder magazine. So that's my very first publication published through the magazine. I did the makeup and hair for about four or five models that day. So skillset photographers in different levels of experience. So can you share with

Speaker 2: 8:56

us like maybe let's start with the negative first so we can end on a positive. So the three things that you wish photographers that work with hair and makeup people you specifically or friends that you have in the industry? Yeah. Like what are the three no no's for photographers not to do when they're on set with you.

Speaker 3: 9:15

Um, so the first thing, it's kind of the same. I know nothing about photography in that sense. Yeah. So just don't touch my equipment. It's mine. My brushes are, you know, they're cleaned and supposed to be used on one person. If you touch my things are messed things up, then it's like it's my money too that I'm invested in this don't touch my brush number one. If there's anybody out there listening that would be a fantastic tee shirt. Yes. Yeah. We can start something. We can definitely start socking actually designed that but it won't go there but so, so I didn't think about that. The brushes. Do you clean the eat today? Did you clean it? I cleaned all the brushes that I use and I don't use the same brush on to people's faces. You never know. Wow. In case you're transferring germs, what do you clean them with? So I use a tea tree, oil based soap and then from there I do an alcohol and water mixture to soak them in just for a little bit to help kill off any bacteria that could potentially. So yes, she is on top of that. Hang on a second here. Yeah. You're self taught. I am self taught. She did a lot of friends. The first thing I did. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm like, that's what I mean. Most people kind of get nervous because I am self taught. I don't have a license in it, but I do it well and I've put in the time and the effort to make myself because it's your passion. Yes. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Well I think it will never work a day in my life. If I'm doing something I love,

Speaker 2: 10:38

I just want to squeeze her until her head pops off. Yeah. Um, but think about it. Look, photographers don't have to have a license either. Yeah. No. And I think that there are certain things, that's why there's so many photographers out there. I think there's a lot of them because I think a lot of people get caught up on the myth. They see the life that's through Instagram or social media. What we do. They don't see the part where we're editing photos at eight o'clock at night and spend time with our family. And I'm not saying that happens to everybody. But most people see Robert having coffee all day long, talking to beautiful girls and like, oh my God, I want Robert's life. And, but they don't see all the hours. He talks to all the beautiful girls. I'm not sure you did a bad job today. I think you got to talk to when they actually invited me. Yes. No, I know. I didn't know it was. It was Giovanni and him. Yeah. Giovanni told me that we should do it not and of course I was in middle of conversation so I just told you how to get here. Give her, give her your address. Yeah. And then I thought, oh I'm sure he can handle that cause he's the man. Don't let that go for you right there. He is smoother than freaking melted butter in the summertime. I don't know what

Speaker 4: 11:54

you're talking about. Listen, listen to that voice. All right, so that's number one. Don't touch my brushes. Yup. Number two, respect the process because it is going to love you thought about this. I love it. Deep risk. Bet that's going nowhere. It's going, but I want to hear this please. A lot of times I know people are curious like curious about like the makeup process. Feel free to ask me questions while I'm doing things. Some things you don't understand, but when it's all said and done, that's when it all comes together and that's going to take however long it's gonna take. So just respect the process. Don't get to um, you know, this is my domain. This is where, this is where I think you should shoot this way. Exactly, yes. I just wait until I see the finished images and that's what I have to say. I already liked her to begin with, but now there's such a depth and intelligence. I was thinking the same thing like that. Just like she went on a high pedestal, like respect the process. Like she thought that through. It's just a lot of people. I mean I've had have a mirror and their hand the entire time and they'll want constant little corrections. Not done yet. So if there's something that's like major, like, hey, I don't like that color. That's a big one I need to know. But if it's just little things here and there, I'm not done yet. Wait till you see the finished image and then tell me what you need is a process. Because it's like, like I told you earlier, like painting a photo, painting a picture, add layers. It's layered background stuff. Top layers like blown away right now. Mean like, seriously. I'm almost speechless. I'm fine that you don't have a license. I don't, I don't care. I mean just because you know a lot and you're intelligent and you, you've done a lot of research. I don't know.

Speaker 2: 14:02

Well we saw the end result today. Yeah. And based on me talking to Kristen and what her idea is for the look of the film that they're doing on Friday, uh, I thought you captured it very well. And I look in at it when they came on that had, I don't want to go into the details, I don't know how private these things where you can kind of under wraps for sure. Uh, but I just like, I was very impressed on how the vision actually turned into something visual. You know, how her communicating with you. And then it happened and then they came out. I did the head shots of the production team tomorrow and I'm, I going wow, this is like on,

Speaker 4: 14:46

so I wonder if anybody, I'm sure somebody sent her some kind of photo I

Speaker 3: 14:52

sent are all of them. That's why you were taking, I thought you were doing that for your own use kind of too. But yeah it was, it was quite good. So I'm just wow. Okay. So I got hit in the number three cause I'm already like shark with two of them. I know. I'm trying to think on this one. I think

Speaker 2: 15:11

any negative experiences with the photographers? Anybody just, you don't have to name names. I mean unless you want to

Speaker 3: 15:18

pretty good, pretty good encounters with, because they bring me in for a reason. And so most of the time, um, you know, you respect that person in their profession. And so that's like if I book a photographer, I know nothing about anything, any of the buttons except for this makes the camera go click. So yes. So for me that's why you bring me in is because you understand that this is what I'm, I'm good at. This is what I practice in. So

Speaker 2: 15:45

yeah. And completely self told yes. Which I'm not. I, I mean I know that I keep going back to that, but we meet a lot of people in different industries that are self taught that don't seem to have a great grasp of what they're doing. And even though you've been doing this for four or five years, I would, I think I'd almost consider that not an entry level but not as experienced as someone that's been doing it for 10 years. But just talking to you compared to other ones I have. You have much more knowledge and depth to what you're talking about where I feel that some of the hair and makeup girls I've had in the past and the way I say girls, I've actually had guys too, they almost seem like they're kids with a paintbrush. Like they don't understand color dynamics, composition or be able to interpret what the image is going to be and they're just like, you know, playing around with a whole bunch of, uh, cause I did look at your kid today. I couldn't help it. A lot of them I know have a whole bunch of samples and they don't use actually for kids. Oh I've got, oh yeah. Oh yeah. Your, you had the broad spectrum of colors. It was totally kicked butt. So I have to applaud you. You are definitely very well set up that way.

Speaker 3: 17:01

Well it's not, it's not my full time job yet, but it's something that I want to be. So if I want to get to that next step, I've got to work hard for it. So that's what I do. So if somebody wants to hire you, what is, what is your availability? So my full time job is a very flexible schedule, so, and I get to create it for the most part. And so I know. So I've got almost all the free time in the wild. Yeah. Okay. Hang on. Go go too far. Okay.

Speaker 2: 17:31

I want to get, so that was like the, the three things about that one. I want to know about positive experiences that you've had with photographers. You don't have to name any names or projects, but have you had a relationship, have you had a project, you work with a photographer or another team where everything just seemed to Gel together? And what do you feel was the secret for that relationship?

Speaker 3: 18:00

Oh yeah. So I have, um, can I say names? Yeah, absolutely. So I work with Monique Prestige editorial and she is a photographer, but she also has experienced modeling as well. Okay. Um, and so that's how I'm published through like her work. Um, but the thing is is she just respects me as a professional and she brings me in and kind of lets me do my own thing. Of course you'll kind of ask questions or give me like a vision board. Right? So it has like all the different things that she's looking for. And then from there she trusts me to like be creative and to kind of let her vision come to life on these models. So,

Speaker 2: 18:34

wow. But how did you meet her? Was this just social media? Instagram. Oh my God. Yeah. Just cruising around at night looking into Instagram. Say, Hey, I think I'll contact this person. Yeah, that's how I met those, well one of the models that I shot with, but yeah. Yeah. That is crazy. I love that. Yeah, it was, and that we've got the, how can we find her? Do you know what her Instagram is? He is on Instagram because we want to add these in the show notes for the listeners can follow them as well.

Speaker 3: 19:04

And so it's Monique prestige underscore editorial and that is whore her modeling page. And she does commercial fashion and like beauty. So I've worked with her quite a bit. Have a few more things in the works

Speaker 2: 19:20

you do? I'm trying to find it, Monique. Oh, I did Monica. That's why it is. Um, you know, I can't speak English so,

Speaker 3: 19:29

and so these ones are my work here.

Speaker 4: 19:32

All the red. Yeah. So, so do you, obviously you do, but I was gonna say, do you use to date, well, I'm not gonna say about today, but do you do anything? Um, just the everyday kind of it?

Speaker 3: 19:49

Oh yeah. So primarily I do weddings, I do proms. So different events like that. I do those a majority of the time. Um, because that's kind of like the everyday look, no one's going to walk around with like glitter step to their friends all day. Right? Oh, I would, yes. But primarily that's what I do. So I do a lot of weddings, a lot of those like, you know, bridal things or proms. So just different events where you want to, you know, make yourself

Speaker 4: 20:15

beautiful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll see. For example, I, um, did some headshots for a corporation and they brought in hair and makeup. I thought that was really cool. I mean, I've seen it done before, but not, not usually, uh, for the cooperage shots that I've corporate events that I've done. Um, but anyway, yeah, I think it's a great, uh, thing to offer that the employees, you know, because we did it on Valentine's Day and they, they got their hair and makeup done and then they could go out on a date or whatever that night. You know, it was pretty cool. Uh, but anyway, yeah, so definitely gonna think about hiring you or uh, uh, uh, telling them to hire you for some headshots. So yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:57

Okay. So that is a great experience. So let's talk a little bit about the, uh, the way you market your business because basically this is the, your marketing on Instagram. Yes. So for the new people out there, because photographers or creative as well, we both have a certain skill that would be in paid for our skill level set versus you know, how much equipment we own. Um, um, I'm just a little shocked that you are primarily on Instagram and so like nothing else. Like, I mean, Facebook doesn't give you any love or

Speaker 4: 21:31

Facebook, not so much. A lot of people have kind of gotten away with Facebook because they don't really want to see you talk. They just want, a lot of people just want the image. It's kind of like something quick, you can kind of take a glance at it and then from there, the image or the video. Yeah, yeah. Hmm. That's kind of like the yes, the visual. Like they want to see something like pretty sparkly, grabbed my attention. I don't want to read your stuff, but that's, but as people your age. Yeah. Yeah. Vit Bullet. Millennials. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 22:00

I don't think she's, I think she's a gen x or I think there's a d I think the millennials stopped it like 90. I was born in 94. Four I think. No, I'm sorry. I don't know if she was born in 94 then maybe it was 98. I just say everybody's younger than me. He's a little more millennials, gen x rays. And they have a, so we have millennial Gen Xers and there's one more, and I can't remember what the name of that was because I was actually reading that one day. I had a very interesting, so, um, what about, what about groups? So even though you're not certified, are there like groups in your industry that you're farming, you could network with other makeup artists. Is that the proper term to use makeup artists? Yeah. So in you a yes. Mua Louis molest. And if you do hair said it's the Mua H. Yeah. Which always thought that when I saw that the first time I thought it was like some kind of special Emoji con, you know, Hawaiian people like this makes hello, goodbye. Don't answer me. You know? Yeah. So do you network with other people locally and nationally?

Speaker 4: 23:11

A lot of it is just kind of like taking that step out and just contacting people. So you never know who's willing to work with you on different things until you just ask. So are you networking just online or do you go to any kind of uh oh yeah. So I've done a couple like lunches with different makeup artists or things like that and just kind of pick their brain like what are things that they think are going well for them as a professional? What are things that I need to add to my toolkit? So, well, I'm a big believer in the law and in the last, what, three years, three years, uh, I've been a member of the chamber and the whole networking thing. For me personally, I know it helps people, but not just in a chamber or in a referral group, but face to face is cause, you know, cause there's so much social media you is that personal touch if you're just contacting people through the phone. Yeah. And I'm guilty. I do. Uh, I'm a loner, you know, and I do find myself staying at home and not wanting to go out. But when I get there, you know, like today he was great, you know. Oh yeah, I had a blast. I met a guy, an insurance guy, just, he just wanted to do a one on one and we just met and talked to all kinds of stuff. And it was a great thing. It's, and it was at eight 30 in the morning, Robert. Wow. I'm so proud of you jam. I'm not a morning person, but oh my God. Jim is not more important at all. Oh No, I am. I wake up at almost five o'clock every day, man. And what time you go to bed? Like nine or 10 I know she's an old lady. No, I love you. Go to bed at nine o'clock. I say this all the time. Most people wake up in the morning, they have to get their coffee to wake up. But the second I wake up knowing that I get to like, so every morning I create something different on my face. So I sit and I do my makeup in the morning. I take my time doing it. Sometimes it takes me like a full two hours just to sit and kind of, because you're creating yeah. Play around a different color. See what I liked and I don't like, so every day for me, that's, that's my morning. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. Good morning. Well No, I don't post it every morning, but this is me today. Show media is a lot of work. I will admit it is. Yeah. If

Speaker 2: 25:10

you're changing an artwork every day, I mean, okay. So do you follow banking? Do you know who Banksy is? Okay, so Banksy is, um, he's an artist in England, British. He's a British artist and he became famous basically fort. He is very, um, insightful graffiti that he would spray. And, um, I think they know who he is exactly now. And um, so they had, he actually created a special piece to be auctioned off at southern southerly, Southerby's, Southerby's, and um, and of course, Mike, my lotions are correct if I'm wrong, so it went for a stupid amount of money. Hmm. Okay. And it was in a frame or was a framed piece like when these big gigantic, big gold frames and an original bank, sea spray paint, graffiti art, whatever they call it. Yeah. Pop Art I think. And um, the moment the gavel came down and someone had purchased it, everyone heard a sound from the frame and the peace shredded itself. It was designed that way by Banksy to shred on like a glam gavel, click or whatever. Wow. And it through the art world completely in a turmoil because they were trying the side, is it more valuable because it was the artist's intention to have it destroyed or is it less valuable because it was destroyed? So leading to that, when you're doing your makeup every day, that's a piece of art that goes away. Yeah. That night. And he's saying, he's saying you should do it every day. And I, yeah, I think you should post that every single day. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 27:03

My duties. A lot of pictures of it. But yeah, just getting into the habit. I do have an APP that helps me plan out my posts. Oh that way I don't have oh yeah, so it's called, I believe it's just preview. Yeah. And so this one I can kind of set up like how I want my next post to be to kind of get it ready so that way you don't have to think about it too much. And then from there I can just,

Speaker 2: 27:26

yeah, I use that one. I don't use it a lot, but I use, that's an option of trying. I think I may have to start using this now cause she said it cause I want to be part of the cool kids. I just download. That's free view planner for Instagram. Told you about that APP. I know, but she told it in the bin because the lady said it. You're, you're going to use it. Yeah, she's definitely amazing. Okay. So they can find you on Instagram and that's how you'd like to get contact as DM directly. And you work in the Oklahoma City Metro area? Yes,

Speaker 3: 27:57

I have traveled before to Texas a few times. Um, just kind of depends.

Speaker 2: 28:02

Right. Um, and I guess you have a rate sheet, you don't have to share it online cause it changes, but did you have a rate sheet that people can email your DME for and get your rate sheet and that is amazing. So this is, I got to ask this because I know that you were saying respect the process and I do, yes. But same time I have worked with hair and makeup artists where it's like, oh yeah, this is going to take an hour. And then three hours later I'm still waiting for them to hurry up. And I've got studio time, I've got grips on location, I got rental equipment and I'm me trying to meet a deadline. Yeah. How do you, like when you're talking to I guess in the first line of communication as a fight hard you for project and said, listen, I want to do this wildly crazy makeup stuff. Do you kind of go through like some, um, like what's the process of making sure you understand what the, either the cribbed art director of photographer once and then you sitting there going, okay, this is what my rate is going to be and this is how long they feel this is going to take me. And then how do you stay on track and you give us an idea how that, yeah. Awesome.

Speaker 3: 29:10

That's kind of how it's working right now. We're going to have about 20 or so models that I'll be doing makeup on this Friday. And so my work is just to communicate with Kristin and so we played around with looks today, but while we were doing that, I use my watch to tie me so I know exactly how long it would take me to do every single look. Then from there, um, I multiply that by, you know, 25, but I give myself a little bit of a grace period. So like five or so minutes between each person. Um, and so from there then we just, and I set a timer every time. I'm like, I've only got 30 minutes on you so we've to do what we can and usually not where we can because we always get it done. Okay.

Speaker 2: 29:45

Okay. And she's wearing a pink, a apple watch. Yes. My Pink Apple Watch. I can tell you this right now. We're going to go over listener, so if you want to stay on the 29 minutes. Okay. Just a couple more minutes. This is wait like I'm so excited right now. He says we will need to keep it down to 30 minutes. I try, but it's good information. I get it. So you really seem very put together. I'm very impressed. I tried to be so please tell me that you use some type, some type of planner or scheduling. How do you stay put together at me? Cause most people would not think about, hey, let me time that on the watch. I'll multiply that and give myself some time. Most people just kind of ballpark it. They throw, you know, a spit ball on the wall and say, let's see if this sticks. Okay. So you think she's digital or do you think she's paper? I feel that she's paid

Speaker 3: 30:31

perfect. Right. Here's a paper girl I do use with the calendar in my phone to kind of keep me on track. So I have little alarms that'll go off at different times of the day, um, based on what I have to do. But I also, I journal everything so I've got a physical calendar at my house, on my refrigerator, you know, that I mark through different things that I have. And then I also journal each day like, Hey, this is what I did. Or if there's specific products that I use on people. So knowing that I'm going to have to repeat the same look for every single model that I'll be doing is just making sure I've got all of, you know, all of the products ready, all this stuff that I'll need so that way I'm prepared the day of,

Speaker 2: 31:08

wow, I'm a little envious person. You, you are more that person than I am. Yeah. I'm, I'm here. You don't have a piece of paper. I will write things down but then I'll scan them and I use a lot of different things online. Um, he uses to do list you've ever heard of to do list? Yeah. I think[inaudible] would ask a manager. We can talk about that later. We're going about that matter. So I love the fact that I just, you seem very, do you feel it journaling really helps you with your vision to stay clear? Absolutely. Yeah. Because what's the secret of it? What's the secret of journaling? Doing it? Yeah.

Speaker 3: 31:48

Yeah, sure. The hardest part about journaling is taking the time out of your day because I have a busy schedule. I have a full time job and then I also have makeup and modeling that I do. So set like scheduling out the time for me to like write down whatever I want to write. So, and that really helps me like focus and clear all of my thoughts, get everything lined up so that way the next day I can be more productive or these are the things that I did today. What can I do to be better tomorrow?

Speaker 2: 32:14

Okay. I'm going to have the story of following her. Is there any way on Instagram to put you on my like top friends list?

Speaker 3: 32:21

I seriously is a way to do that where you can no, shut up. Can with faith can turn on your post notification so that way anytime I post you can go right.

Speaker 2: 32:30

Oh yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm learning so much about Instagram. I feel like I'm totally awesome. He now awesome. Hey, I just invented that word. Don't take it away from me. I just thought of it.

Speaker 3: 32:44

So yeah, if you go into the account on Instagram, there's three dots in the top right hand corner. Okay.

Speaker 2: 32:49

I'm hitting tea. I love, I love this. She used a teacher's a class Taylor. Ah, Gotcha. What's the 42 43 step four

Speaker 3: 33:03

so it's just a personal thing. I like even numbers, even numbers make me feel like, you know, everything's put together. Yeah. It's always been that way. You know, it's just kind of stuck. So,

Speaker 2: 33:17

but there has to be, there's a personal thing on this 42 isn't it? No, not really. No. No. Okay. So just kind of flows off the tongue. Good. 40 to 42 instead of 25 25 it's kind of, it's not as easy to say the 42 42 yeah, I don't know. Well how about just for four or two teeth? Oh, one one oh one one B odd ball. So that would not be good. Okay. So I go to the$3 42 41 on post notifications. Correct. Bujar yard. You got that listeners does new tip for a new tip for the old people in the bunch or the new people now has already turned us off. All right, so you want to add any advice to the photographers that liked to contact you as a hair and makeup artists or other people in your profession? Like what would be a good way to start the conversation and I guess just DM news. I had loved to work together and just kind of go down that way. Make it easier. Well,

Speaker 3: 34:15

sometimes people will come with like full visions, like the first few times I was contacted, they were like, hey, this is my mood board. Can you do it? I'm like, Yep. And that's another thing is also being okay with saying no. If you're not comfortable as an artist and you know that's not what you specialize in or you, you can't make it happen and the way that you think they want, it's okay to turn it down. Yeah. Go home, practice. And then when that opportunity opportunity comes again, you can say yes. Yeah. That, that's for, for us to imagine. You just open up little pen doors box and she saw my eyes light up. Yeah. She said, oh, fat man's got an idea. So what have you turned down me? Yes. Oh, well, before I started to do the editorial makeup, I would turn that down because I didn't know how, I was scared to tell him. There's a difference between the editorial makeup, like, like what kind of makeups are they? Yeah, so like the wedding that I would do on a bride is not the same that I would do for like a fun fashion shoot, you know? So it would be more, more subtle for the blind, more subtle for the bride of course, still having like, you know, that Glam look, but for editorial where it's like the creative, like the fun colors and glue and sparkles and glitter to your face, but very creative like kind of out of the box normally use completely different things. So that's called editorial makeup. Um, yes, it, it can kind of have, yeah, it can have a couple of meanings, but for the

Speaker 2: 35:38

most, that's what I, I call it editorial. Okay. So I'm going to give a shout out to, uh, one of our friends and listeners. Joe Edelman. Yeah. Okay. So I want you to follow this gentleman listening. Joe, thanks. And if you are, thank you Joe. And Joe is a friend of the show and he is an incredible talented photographer and an Olympus visionary. Yeah, I'd like to put that out there, but I want you to check out his work because, well, I'm just going to flat out copy him. Here you go right here. That's him. Nice. And I want you to look at what he's doing because that's the, some of the stuff I want to see. I don't know where my phone's not working. Practice as close to being dead. Oh yeah. Yeah. Is that when we're talking about, cause I want to do some of that. Yeah. Oh yeah. I made myself a clown for Halloween this year. Cool. Oh, does he have a clown on there? Yup. Okay. That scares me. Let's not do that. Like, seriously. I have nightmares. This is what I can really, really bad. I love clowns. No, no. Like when I look at girls, I actually can judge based on the lips and where it falls in their pupil of their eye. Most. Most people, that's where they fall. But whenever you are a clown and you go for the clown face, you always stretch it out so much that it becomes in the realm of oddity and it's like makes me as I am. Well I've got the big red hair for it. Yeah. Oh we could do, what's the other one that had the big red hair? Willy Wonka? No, no cat in the hat. What's, um, any, not any, there's one of the, you don't, I'm talking about right Alison in Wonderland Guy Matt. Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking more of a jazz singer. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Absolutely. For sure. And then the other thing now, despite guy, I love the hair, like it's stunning, but her voice and her mannerisms really remind me a lot of that girl that was in the fifth element with Bruce Willis.

Speaker 5: 37:51

Okay.

Speaker 2: 37:51

Do you have any, know what I'm talking about? The lady that saying no, no, no. The girl, that was the fifth element, the one that was the red hair that fell down and couldn't speak. That one. Her mannerisms and your face though? It just, I don't know, it just reminds me a lot like, I think that would be just so cool. Yeah. But the girl up, the blue girl with the law this year was really weird. Really Weird. But we can do something fun. All Right Jim. So I've got a question. Oh, and I'm only at, I'm asking this question because my brother experienced this back in the day. Okay. He, he had an afro like three or four times bigger than that then than yours. But he, he act okay. You'll just tell me if he ever had this. But, uh, one he was in the bathroom,

Speaker 4: 38:36

got into the shower, combing his hair, picking his hair out. Right. And, uh, he, uh, it was, there was a black widow and his hair. What? Yeah. Oh Wow. Yeah. Like really? No. Ooh God, that would freak me out. Well, I did a photo shoot where I had glitter basically all over me and for like days and days, I couldn't get that out of my hair. I would find them. Wow. Coming out. Yeah. But, but, but any critters, not that I know. That's kind of why I ask because I remember his, he had a black widow spider in his hair. Yeah. It was either the black widow or one of those nasty, you know, Brown recluse or something. It was good. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 39:20

Well you know, if you, if you look at the statistics, they, they say that over your lifetime you will eat like spiders in your sleep, both full. Like while you're sleeping, the average person has four of them. They call in and die. Yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of crazy. I'll never sleep again. Just duct tape your mouth, your mouth. Thank you so much for being on the podcast. Short notice and we'll have this episode live really soon as you can share it and we'll put everything in the show notes and listeners, be sure to check us out. Follow us. We have more interviews coming up with speakers from the 2019 photo con in Oklahoma City at the Ala hotel. Be sure to go to Bedford's camera mentioned you heard it on the photo facts podcast and get your discount.

Speaker 4: 40:05

Thanks a lot for listening. We appreciate you guys. Bye Bye.