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Michael Field - The Shed Jiu Jitsu Academy
This episode I get a chance to sit with Michael Field Owner/Coach @ The Shed Jiu Jitsu Academy in Macomb, IL. This episode is packed with insights into the fascinating world of jiu-jitsu and MMA. We explore how his selfless efforts helped the gym acquire a cage, opening new training possibilities for their diverse set of classes, including kids' classes and grappling jiu-jitsu. We bring you the highs and lows, the intense training regimens, and why ego should be left outside the ring for better learning.
Our conversation doesn't end there. We talk to an accomplished international Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu competitor, offering you first-hand knowledge of the grueling training regimen, the challenges of making weight, and the thrill of competing at top tournaments. It's not all about physical strength, though. We delve into the mental aspect of jujitsu and how these learnings can be applied to other areas of life. We close with a heartwarming discussion on inculcating discipline, respect, and hard work in our children, drawing from our personal experiences as parents. Join us in this enriching conversation, and you might just want to start your martial arts journey!
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Alright, welcome to another lovely episode of Dial the Wild podcast, and I have a new guest today, michael Field from, we'll say, calchester, illinois, calchester. Now you're in Calchester, okay, and you're known predominantly in the Macomb area for your. You have a gym.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And is it considered? I don't know such things, so I'm just asking Is it considered MMA? Is it considered Jujitsu?
Speaker 1:I mean, what is it entitled as far as so, yeah, we're at a gym, we have MMA, we have Jujitsu, we have just standard memberships of people that come in and just work out, hit the sauna and don't do any of the classes. So more of just an all around facility for the area.
Speaker 2:And you're, you're, you're teamed up with Corby there at Mactown. Now correct.
Speaker 1:Renting the first half of his building. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's a good dude. He's been on the podcast a couple of times and he's growing and expanding, just like you're growing and expanding.
Speaker 1:And that's kind of how we got to got together on that was I was taking my children over to him because I was training them and wrestling at my gym and then Jujitsu at my gym and then also raising them and constantly telling them what they're doing wrong.
Speaker 1:So, I just they wanted to get into a little bit more working out and lifting weights and they didn't really need me telling them one more thing of what they were doing wrong. So I took them over to Corby and I talked to Corby and I said hey, I'm like, bring my kids here If you take children. And then he said yeah, and I said I'm not, I don't want to. You know, I have a gym, you have a gym.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to take what you're doing or you know, so we we created a pretty good connection and at one time. So my two kids were going and then all of a sudden, like four others from the baseball team were on there and all of a sudden he had like 10 kids and it was nice growth.
Speaker 2:And then he's come a long ways from where it was there next to the bowling alley to. Essentially well, it started in his garage and then it went to that small building there by the depot and the bowling alley in Macomb and now to the two large buildings that he has. Now you know he just keeps growing very driven dude yeah.
Speaker 1:And then and that's what I liked about him, and you know, I started my garage, he started in his garage and we just started building and collecting and helping people in town and it was two, two different things in the area that the community needed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:So now where I think we're both pushing, you know, probably a couple hundred people combined.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's a cool. It's a cool deal that you guys gotten into there. But your story, your story started where? Where did you hail from?
Speaker 1:Marshall Arch in general or just just coming up.
Speaker 1:Oh, I grew up in the Effingham area and then after college I moved to Wisconsin and I worked for the department administration and I was downtown. Wisconsin put me in a chair as a project manager and I put on like 40 pounds in a year. So I joined the gym, I tried to push weight and run on treadmills and it wasn't my thing. Now I'm better at it now than I was then, but I just got bored. I paid for a two year membership up front and I went maybe a month and so it was just not a good idea.
Speaker 2:It's not a good idea.
Speaker 1:And then I found a Marshall Arch gym with a coworker and got into the grappling part and loved it. How long ago was that? That was in 2008. Okay, whenever I started that, okay so wanted to get back to Effingham where I grew up. So I applied at my current position and Indiana, wisconsin, illinois, mccomb, called, never heard of it, moved down here just a stair step and I've been here 11 years.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just rooted, just rooted here.
Speaker 2:And like full time, you work for Amron, is that right?
Speaker 1:Frontier.
Speaker 2:Frontier Gotcha. So you run cable and whatnot as your day job but you've got like how many side businesses going on?
Speaker 1:Well, mostly just this is the gym.
Speaker 2:Just the gym. Yeah, I thought you had more going on than that. That's my bad.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. There's a couple other investments I'm looking into and talking about and things that aren't fully out yet.
Speaker 2:So what's? So? Get into the martial arts side of things because that's obviously your passion and you're working. You don't like running on a treadmill. You got a buddy at work that says, hey, let's go roll on the mats, and you're probably like dude, I ain't doing that. Yeah, I did. I told him no for two years.
Speaker 1:For two years and then I finally went in and I tried it and I loved it. I was intimidated, I was a little scared, you know, as a grown man, and I was out of shape and I just didn't want to walk in there and be that guy that was coming in last or dying or throwing up or whatever you know, just looking like a horrible person. But I needed it. It was pretty bad. I was the heaviest I'd ever been. I smoked then, you know, like two packs a day and now I haven't smoked in 15 years, you know maybe longer. But it helped me quit smoking. It helped me get in shape. It probably prolonged my life. But then it also gave me the root that when I moved down here I couldn't find anything competitive. I was here and I tried a couple of the other local gyms and they just wasn't what I was looking for One year crowd, one year cup of tea, and that's fine.
Speaker 2:Everybody learns and trains differently.
Speaker 1:Right, it just wasn't what I was looking for. And I'm a member of, you know several other gyms and you know I'm a member of Corbis. I'm a member of the Colchester Chocolite Fitness and I'm a member of the YMCA and you know I just I try to try to spin around in all the gyms and help them. You know it's. I have the mindset that all gyms need to be working together to help the community, absolutely. But I wanted to. I started competing after I started doing Jiu Jitsu and-.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how long were you rolling around before you decided that, hey, I'm gonna go try and do this against other people from other gyms?
Speaker 1:About four months.
Speaker 2:Okay, so about four months so once you got into it, you were just like okay, I want to go do something.
Speaker 1:And yeah. So I was going back to Effingham for Christmas that year and I called local gym. My niece's nephew was going there and I called the owner and I said, hey, my niece's nephew, I want to come home, I would like train with him, because we've never really bonded, you know, and they didn't have anything in common ground, but I don't see him every four or five years. And I said what do they need to work on? And he told me a couple of things and I went down there and we took our uniforms and we rolled around right there in the floor over.
Speaker 1:Christmas and it was awesome. And he opened his gym to me, had an open mat two hours and about 15 minutes in I was ready to go home. I was just dying. You're right, I had never trained that hard before.
Speaker 1:And it started and didn't end until the two hours was up and all of those guys were just laughing and looking around and I literally was peeling myself up off the floor just going what is going on? And how does? Out of the few other gyms that I'd been to, how is this one this much harder doing the exact same moves? And their pace was just elevated, elevated so much farther than I'd ever seen. And I was like I looked at my wife at the time and I said how was that? And she goes. That was hard to watch, you know.
Speaker 1:Just, I was just being rolled around that will and my current gyms that I'd been to, I held my own really well. So I said I don't feel like this ever again, so I want to come back every month. And it just kicked it off that the growth started and they told me you know, you're not going to find what you're looking for within two hours of where you are, so you have to build it Right. So we started then and we spent two years in my machine shed with a 12 by 14 mat. A few of us just started with one guy and we got two guys and we had 10 guys.
Speaker 2:And I remember being in college and running around with some folks that were from that area and some of them were legit, like competing at like state and national levels and stuff, and I was like where are they trained? Some shed in Colchester. It was a hell, you know, and my wife actually works with a couple that worked out at your gym when it was over. Oh, across from probably on north. He's across from a crud from the.
Speaker 1:West Pierce there, oh yeah, yeah, on north Lafayette.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was the shed and then you were uptown for a minute. Yeah, about almost two years on the square. It was a two years up there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, covid didn't make it feel like it because I got it.
Speaker 1:So we move, we outgrew my place out and on the country and I told the guys. I said, hey, if you guys want to do this and we want more people, I said everybody pay me 20 bucks for three months and I said we'll take that money, we'll put it on down payment and I will get an LLC, I'll get the insurance, we'll turn this into a business and three months later, you know, we moved in town, we rented off of the Comfield house and they were really great for us, but we had to. We just rented time slots, five to nine, it's all of my math. That gave me a closet, you know, which was very fortunate to roll all my stuff up and put it in the closet every night, and then I had to unroll it before class and then roll it up.
Speaker 2:Well, and being a gym owner, you understand and Corby certainly understands it's more than just the curriculum and working out and everything. Like you've got to be bleaching your mats, you've got to be cleaning quiet. You know people get sick. If you don't like, go through everything with a fine tooth comb. Like it's more than just here's the money. Okay, lay out the mats, let's roll around and put them away, like you know there's so much behind the scenes. There's so much going on there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the part that you're not really prepared for, but it comes up. Sorry, yeah, but yeah. So that's what we would do is we would clean the mats and we would have to wait till they dried and then we'd roll them up and then put them in the closet. Well, then I would come back in and sometimes they didn't have events going on and I could leave them out, and then, you know, other people will come in. They have a multifunction facility as well at the field house, so I would make sure that I cleaned them right before the class again. So it was just constant cleaning, cleaning, cleaning. And then I needed, as we grew there, I needed 24-7 access, and that's when I found North Lafayette. You know the state farm building. We had the whole lower unit, and that's when we started a kids program.
Speaker 2:That's when things really started to grow Like you see, I started to hear about a lot more people headed over that direction.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we had a cardio club going and we had a kids program and an adult program and it was I was just trying to push it but I was coming in at four o'clock in the morning preparing for a 5 am class and then going to work 8 to 5 and then doing 5.45 to 9, 10 o'clock at night, and that was three nights a week. And then we got a couple of wrestlers in and they're like, hey, we'd like to do wrestling. So we eventually pushed to Tuesdays for wrestling as well and we've just been expanding and we all grew that. We went to the square. We had the old Kerlins building.
Speaker 2:Which is completely gutted right now. Completely gutted.
Speaker 1:It's going to be a finance place, I believe, if I read it correctly. But again, you know we got there and we were there two weeks in COVID hit and I shut down all the gems in Illinois. My overhead went up four times and then all of a sudden I went from 40 people to nine people and I had to just shut down. So I shut down for several months and that was a hard hit. That was probably the hardest hit I've taken financially from all this, even when I first started and buying the mats, buying all the stuff. But like I say, we started in the machine shed and we moved about every year and a half to two years and each time we added at least 1,000 square feet.
Speaker 2:That's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So right now, like I say with Corby, at the gym where we're at now, we've got about 3,000 square feet of mats. The octagon's a 21 footer, so it's a little over 400 square feet, and then we've got our workout equipment, our sauna.
Speaker 2:So what all services do you have at your gym? Now? As far as because I mean, you said you do the Jiu Jitsu, you still do a wrestling class. Yes, and is there a group specific to MMA that works out there? Or just guys that work out there.
Speaker 1:No, there's a.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we have a break up at your gym.
Speaker 1:So, since we actually have the space now, the left side of the room, 530 to 630, monday, wednesday, thursday is the MMA in striking, and then the right side of the room from 545 to 630, at the exact same time as the kids' Jiu Jitsu.
Speaker 2:I popped in there to get you that hat the other day and it was hopping.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you've got like two dozen kids in there jumping around, rolling around, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:There's kids going everywhere and then there's usually at least 10 to 15 people over in the right side and they've got their circuit that they do every day and then they get in the cage and spar, which is nice. Tom Pledge, retired officer there from Macomb, was our boxing coach. He boxed for almost 20 years oh nice, and he came in and donated his time and he actually helped us get the cage. He got the cage for us.
Speaker 2:I remember a Facebook post about that. It just like suddenly popped up and you guys were like we got to get on this or we're never going to have this deal again, or something.
Speaker 1:He's such an amazing person. He called me one night. It had to be like 9.30 or 9. He goes what do you think about getting a cage? I said I am all for getting anything, but I said our funds are limited. I said this gym took a huge hit through COVID. That cost me.
Speaker 2:It was hard to get back on your feet, yeah.
Speaker 1:It was about a $20,000 hit and so he goes. Well, if we can find it, we'll talk. We found one. It was on the other side of Kansas City, missouri, and he goes I'll buy it. And I said you buy it, I'll pay to have it transported. And it came out to within like a few hundred dollars, of us both having the same amount in it, and Tom and I drove over to Kansas City. We spent like five hours loading a cage into the back of a UR.
Speaker 2:Do you have any experience like setting up and tearing down cages, or was that Never in my life? Never in my life?
Speaker 1:And these people had already had it torn down, so I didn't even know how it worked together.
Speaker 2:I was looking at your cross-eyed like have you ever done this before?
Speaker 1:No, we loaded it up and luckily we got the bigger U-Haul because it was packed. It had way more stuff than we ever thought and we drove that thing, you know the six hours back and parked the truck and unloaded it the next day. We had everybody come over the corner posts over 300 pounds. Oh hell. So there's eight of those Sheen.
Speaker 2:Chris.
Speaker 1:It's a very, very secure object, so I don't want to move it any time, zubin, but I had one guy from the gym, rob, and he spent the bulk of the time putting it together. I was in and out at work and with my kids and as people could come in, they could come in, but he probably did 95% of it.
Speaker 2:That was his focus at the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he said I'm free this weekend and we went in there and because we had to turn it a couple times, there was a post in there. That was just wrong, you know.
Speaker 2:But a supporting both. Is that like there's instructions for this thing?
Speaker 1:So we called in a structural engineer and everything else. What can we do to take this post down and get a beam in and they're like well, that's going to cost you about $7,000. We're like okay, we're going to build this around this post. It's like we're going to have a seven-sided cage instead of eight, so one corner is just really close to the pole and we built it right around it, but it's fully functional.
Speaker 2:Awesome, yeah. So you got your kids thing. You got your. You said grappling jiu-jitsu. Now what is? I know that there's various different styles and stuff. What is the like it says on your logo or your emblem, the style of jiu-jitsu that you like to teach or practice?
Speaker 1:Like the Brazilian jiu-jitsu or the pedagos submission.
Speaker 2:The pedago submission fighting.
Speaker 1:So pedago, submission fighting is our lineage. Okay, heath pedago. Okay, started the original pedago submission fighting and then, whenever I started going down to Mappingham and starting my gym, I went to about those same seven gyms I'd been training at and I found that that was the best fit for me. So I took on the pedago, the PSF, and it's, it's been wonderful. Okay, they go all over the, they go overseas, they do instructionals everywhere. They've got some of the top athletes in the country pushing over. You know 45, 50 world champions down at headquarters, oh nice, and we can come and go to any of them anytime we want.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, you always see, you know whether it's Gracie or whether you see you know there's. There's several different schools or trains.
Speaker 1:And almost every jiu-jitsu school should go up to a Gracie somehow.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Ours goes up to Hickson Gracie. Heath pedago got his black belt from Rodrigo Vagi out of he's in the St Charles, st Louis area, and Rodrigo got his black belt from Hickson Gracie. Okay, so we go down to the St Charles area quite a bit. There's four gyms out there that are now affiliated and then we've got one in Bloomington, effingham and then Mount Vernon for the locals.
Speaker 2:I have a buddy, Tyler Walls goes up to the Bloomington gym Tyler, he's a good guy. Yeah, Really good. I guess he messed up his neck and they won't they just let him train. They let him teach now. But yeah, he's, he got really into that, lost a bunch of weight. Yeah, loved it, you know.
Speaker 1:And from it's another one of the gyms that's growing rapidly too. They just got a new facility, put a cage in and doubled their mats. They got the. I think now that they're stating they got the most jiu-jitsu mat space in Bloomington Got you Now is your guys that come in and spar and strike and stuff.
Speaker 2:Are those guys that are, like, coming from Western, that want to train for that kind of competition, or is that local folks that want to come in and-.
Speaker 1:Both. We have both. We are partnered with WIU right now.
Speaker 2:I knew they had an MMA club at one time.
Speaker 1:They have an MMA club. They've been coming to my gym since I've been on the square and they rent the facility for Tuesday nights 8 to 10 PM and they allow my people to come in and also work with them. But I just let them lead. You know that's their club, their program. But if they want anything from us, they let us know.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:Their president, vice president, have always been members. That's one of the stipulations. And then, but the last president, dane, he goes. Everything I learn in your class I just teach the next night in the MMA club. Not like that's fine.
Speaker 2:That's good. It's a consistent curriculum there.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And the best way I was ever explained or heard explained as far as Jiu-Jitsu was concerned was like folding laundry with a body inside. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's you know, when I grew up, I you know I wanted to watch WWF or WWE or something, because I was a kid, and that's you know what we did. We went to school the next day talking about all the dumb stuff that they did that night or the night before, and then dad was just like no, you need to watch this. And he flipped on. It was like the very first UFC, where they're fighting and octagons and stuff and and from what I understand, it was mostly like Gracie family and whatnot, trying to prove that their style of 100% of martial art was, was superior to the others, because it's not the UFC you see today, no, no, which it's still fun to watch, it's still fun to be part of.
Speaker 2:But those first ones was like, you know, a sumo wrestler could go in there and like some karate dude to kick him in the head and they're not used to that.
Speaker 1:It was a no, the two rules. I think it was no biting now, no eye gouging. Other than that, everything went no gloves, no time limit and you know it was.
Speaker 2:you didn't have to wait for a dude to get to his feet before you could kick him in the head. Yeah, it was nuts.
Speaker 1:And they were really hurting each other back there it was as close to a street fight as you could get. But yeah, the Gracie family did start that. They started the UFC just to to sell their product, mostly to let people know what they were, they were bringing and and they did, they dominated and it's still dominant, you know. So it's it's you have to mix.
Speaker 2:Martial arts has changed so much that everybody's well rounded and they know what they have Several different disciplines, yeah, but you still, you still see the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu like that's, it's, it's, it's if you're going to fight an MMA, like you have to have it.
Speaker 1:You've got to have the ground game.
Speaker 2:You know you could be primarily a striker, or you could be primarily, you know, tie, or, yeah, you know any kind of discipline. But if you don't have that ground game, you're going to get destroyed and it seems like the current MMA model.
Speaker 1:So yeah, because it doesn't take much to learn how to hold someone on the ground. You know that's when it comes to wrestling. Wrestling starts, you know, four or five years old and a lot of those, those four year olds, are holding each other on the ground and not letting them up. So you know it's, it's, you can teach that to, to anybody that can, that has the ability to learn. Wrestling is one of the most dominant sports you can learn to get into Well the original Olympic sports.
Speaker 1:I mean you know when they were naked rolling around with each other you know, and I mean high school wrestlers you had to be a really good Jiu Jitsu athlete to even handle a high school wrestler. You know they're, they're, their pace never stops and they're just taught to just continue to go, go, go, go go. I didn't want you on the ground and on your back and I don't want you moving, and it was just taught and rotated through their brain and through their body so many times that that's why I didn't start my gym. I never wrestled, I didn't start any martial arts until I was 28. And then I opened my gym at 35, 36 years old and and I told my instructors my black belts. I said I can't open yet because right now I don't know enough about wrestling and I don't know enough about Jiu Jitsu. You know to to really lead a school.
Speaker 1:I was winning some tournaments and doing well, but I was like I just feel like I'm not handling myself the way I should be, and so I waited about two and a half years.
Speaker 2:And Jiu Jitsu is one of the weird things. When you go to tournaments and you can explain more about this because I'm not a hundred percent on it, but like when you go to tournaments, you're not going there and being part of a weight class, you're you're going there and wrestling guys at the same what's supposed to be same experience level, correct or belt color.
Speaker 1:They'll keep it pretty close to the weight class too.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the international, the IBJJF, will be with. So my division at 43 is 41 to 45. Okay, I usually go to for the, the 185 to 194 division and purple belt. So it's they, they keep it very close. You go into the other circuits and they, they don't want you to come there and not have anybody. But you know, I've went all the way down to late, I think I was, I was 40 and I faced a 26 year old, you know, and I was 185 and they were 200, you know, it's just, it's like fine, just get, get some matches, have some fun. You paid your dues already and it's why, why drive all the way over there just to get your money back. So sure?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we do the same thing in archery. It's like why go there and shooting against yourself? Hey, 25 dollars for an entry fee and then get 20 back in the mail.
Speaker 1:It doesn't do anything for you like go somewhere join a class where there's actually people in it and and if you get destroyed, you find out what you need to work on. And you know, make some friends, make some, do some networking. You know, shake their hand, tell them good job, yeah, thanks for the match. And then going about your day and just get better, because it's it's the ego is getting rid of people's ego is the hardest part, I'm sure, and and that's what I run into the most is just trying to wipe out the egos and telling people Okay, so you're really tired, you've had four matches and they're like I just don't want to do another one.
Speaker 1:I said that's just because you don't want to lose, go do it, who cares? If you lose, right, you're gonna tap. You know, a little tap on your, on your, on your arm or on the leg, and then it's over. But you've tried, you gave that last ounce of energy. You do do the ego away and told yourself I'm okay to lose, and or you actually find out you got more in you than you thought and then you want you win the match right.
Speaker 1:You know, and then you're like, oh my well, and if I find that is more the case, it's, but there's no reason to not do a match.
Speaker 2:Well, we live in a time of instant gratification, like in, for example and I've talked about it on podcast before but like I Devoted 10, 11 years to like being competitive in archery and I I've taken my ass beating so long away.
Speaker 2:You know, but it seems like every time I either went out or bump up another class and I get my butt handed to me like I learned so much In that ass kicking that like I come back I work harder, I learned stuff from different pros or whoever. I can, you know, manage to pick some brains and stuff and, like you said, as long if you put the ego aside and you stop thinking so much about the end result and you were you focus more on the technique, the technique and what you're supposed to be doing and Doing your process the way that you're supposed to do it, then the results come rapidly you know, I was talking to one of my top guys this week and he goes.
Speaker 1:I'm ending up in a lot of bad positions. He goes, but I'm not getting submitted there. He goes. I'm getting out of them, but he goes. I seem to be in more bad positions right now than than normal. And I said it's. I said we've got so many new people and you've been here for you know, like four or five years now, mm-hmm. I said you're not afraid to be in those bad positions. I said you're not looking at them like you're going into a match against someone at your same skill level. So you're just has it, you're, you're just pausing and you're just taking your time and you're not Giving them the respect you would give to a higher level opponent. I said and then, as they get better each week and you're, you're kind of still playing cat and mouse with them, they're then getting past you a little bit farther and then you're in a bad spot for a little bit. Then you get out.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So it's just you. You've got to go to competitions. You got to find those, those people that will just hand you your ass so that you, you know when and how to get better and you start getting better defenses. You start by getting better skills, better reflexes.
Speaker 2:And when you listen and talk to guys that have been in this game for long enough. It made me think of your story from Effingham, where you're just like I Go in. You know I train at this gym, this gym. You know I've been part of this. But then I go to this gym and like it's a different pace, it's a different experience level. You know there's been guys that go to these competitions and they're wearing a color of belt that they probably shouldn't be wearing. They get the map, they get the mat.
Speaker 2:Mopped up, you know they and they get their asses kicked and they want to throw their their belt in the trash on their way out the door, and that's you know, whether it's Ego, like you were talking about, or they're part of a curriculum that might not be panting out to the level that they want To be here. Yeah combination of things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and, and that that stemmed from you know the new American way of instant gratification. Yep, people want to be rewarded. They, they think that the reward is what they're spending their money on. And oh, I've been here three years and I've never gotten a new belt. I never got, you know, a stripe. We do stripes on the belts before you get a new belt. Some, some schools, don't do stripes at all. They just you get a new belt whenever you're ready. But it's amazing how good that feels when you get them. But whenever you say, you walk into another gym and you have four stripes on a blue belt means you're one belt, one stripe away from A purple. Your next promotion, you're gonna be the next level, and there's only five belts in jujitsu. So, and their, their white belts with two stripes, are just tossing you around. You know? And why? Why am I a full up, basically seven Levels ahead of them, but you're not. Yeah, you're in a time-based curriculum, or your instructor thinks that he has to keep rewarding people so they keep paying.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, yeah, people aren't gonna. It's hard to find people want to stay around it aren't being rewarded constantly and the reward should be the skill. You know the belts and tape and everything else will come, but it's hard to to balance that and we just the. The PSF network sticks to. You'll get your belt, you get your stripes whenever they're earned and they I Remember whenever I got my very first stripe under the PSF network like I tears my eyes, I was just crying.
Speaker 1:I had gotten three stripes in one night on my white belt from a previous location and I Called, called my instructor and went home and I said can you take two of these back? I think I didn't feel like I'd earn them. And then, whenever I'd earned one from a different mindset and different curriculum, it just felt so much better. So it's and like say, everybody's different. You find the one that you like the best. I I think you know if, if you like basketball, baseball, dance, ballet, jujitsu, whether you know or you know there's, there's multiple different kinds of dance. There's different times. There's three on three, five on five, basketball. There's many different kinds of jujitsu out there. Just find the one that makes you happiest, the one you feel best about spending your money on and go do that one right. That's what you need to do, but whenever you find it's, it's very rewarding.
Speaker 2:And that's what I loved about the Corby side of the gym when it went, and I was, when I worked in Macomb and I was able to attend there about every day. You know, I like the people, I like the atmosphere. His instruction was pretty sound and it was. I could go in there for 45 Minutes to an hour and get my ass kicked and get my workout in, for you know, and I, that worked for me really, really well. For other people, they want to go to the Y, they don't want to be disturbed, they want to put in their headphones, they want to work at their own pace and there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I Tend to be the kind of person that if I'm gonna go into the wire, something like that, I'm gonna spend 30 minutes working out, an hour and a half on my phone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so so you know you just find what works for you. And like the biggest reward and instruction, like on Tuesday nights when I help Jeff with archery kids.
Speaker 1:It's like when they get it, yeah, when that light bulb goes off helping someone else Achieve a goal, and it is.
Speaker 2:It's one of the greatest feelings in the world one night when they finally when that light bulb goes off and they start to see the results of what you've been, and then it finally it clicks. It's like, oh well, they're not just giving me a hard time to be dicks yeah you know, I was like this stuff actually works.
Speaker 1:It's like what you know I had. I had a kid just two weeks ago and he was in a role and he had he he enjoyed the class a lot, so he had. He was just there to have fun. This was a play time for him. So he played a lot, you know, in his roles he did not care if he won or lost, he was just there. And he's laughing and smiling the whole time, which is fine.
Speaker 1:But the other night I guess it was last, maybe last Wednesday, monday or Wednesday but his dad was in there. His dad recently started and joined the class for the adults, but his dad sitting there and this kid hits an arm bar and then he goes for a, he gets mount, holds mount for almost a minute straight and then has the back of of another kid that's probably 20 pounds heavier and I was like who are you? Where's this been for the last six months, you know? And he's just going, move after move after move and he hits two submissions and and then there's just constantly transitioning and you know I just striped him right there. I was like this is this and what? And he's so happy and you know his eyes are lit up and I was like you know this the, the feeling inside, and then watching people go to competitions and and win a match.
Speaker 1:Um, I never knew how much I was going to enjoy that, and I do. I do enjoy coaching more than I enjoy Um myself winning or or achieving the medals now, and that's getting past the ego, like what we were talking about.
Speaker 2:You know, I want to go to the next shoot and I want to win just as much as the next guy. Right, that's just how I'm wired, uh, but you know, you see that kid work their ass off and then they're walking away with that medal and they know that they earned it. It's just like okay, this is pretty cool?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you. You watch them walk in off the streets with a lot of them with zero skills, have never been on the match, never wrestled, you know, they never lifted a weight. They're just there trying to try something new and then you know, a few months later, there they are in their main handling someone and they, or they, they have a really good comeback in the last 30 seconds to score some points or hit a submission. And you know, I've had a few people and even myself. I lost my first five tournaments, and three of them by arm bar, and I'm like I'm just going out here and just handing my money to people and then getting arm bar. Do you know? I hadn't scored a point, I couldn't get a move down and I was just losing, losing, losing, and then when I finally won one, I was like that felt good, I felt good.
Speaker 2:No, I went from uh oh, one of the first years that I was traveling and shooting, I went down to kentucky and the you always shoot 20 targets a day For two days and and that's your tournament score and the first day I shot. And at the end of the they post the scores after the first half and I was dead last in my class and it was a gut punch.
Speaker 1:Was that a 3d shoot?
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, it was a 3d competition down there. And then, you know, I came back the next day and I didn't finish last, so I was moral victory.
Speaker 1:You know.
Speaker 2:But since then I've gotten my podiums, I've gotten my medals and stuff. But it was only because I just dug in and just grinded out what I thought I needed to do, some of the decisions that I made along the way. Some of them worked. Some of them was just like what the hell were you thinking? Why did you even try that? Because you're trying shit and sometimes it works sometimes it don't, yeah.
Speaker 1:and then you make a decision right there and it'll work or it won't, and finally, confidence to make that decision is huge in every sport. I remember having a conversation with my instructor, chad Hawkins out of F&M, and I was like he goes, my goal, our goal for you next year is to get you an international podium. Because I, like said, I tried five and all five were flops. So we trained we've got on a schedule, trained for about eight months and then I did an internet.
Speaker 2:Eight months? Yeah, Like how many days a week, how many hours? How does that?
Speaker 1:work. I was in my garage at the time and so I was in there four or five nights a week and then I was going down once a month training with him. On Saturday he would do two hour private lesson and then guys would come in and we would have an open mat for another two hours. We'd go eat lunch and then the next day, sunday, I would come in for another private lesson and then we would go down to Mount Vernon, to headquarters. Sunday night five to seven. I'd get home at 11 o'clock and I was videotaping all of this.
Speaker 1:I'd come home and I'd set up my phone and my machine shed and me and my one student at the time, we would just sit there and drill it and drill it, and drill it, and drill it, and we would try to keep track. We'd try to get to a thousand reps as fast as we could. If we could do it in 10 days, just a hundred reps a night for 10 days, just try to get to a thousand reps and then we would move on to the next one. Or we try to do five a hundred times. And we did that. And, like I say, eight months later I did Worlds out in Las Vegas and or no, that was in California at the time at the pyramid Walter Pyramid, but I made it to the fourth round of Worlds. It was the first time I'd ever scored a point in an international and.
Speaker 1:I won my first match six to two. My second match, six to two. My third match was a rough decision. And then my fourth match. I lost nine zero but I had an arm bar in when they called time. So I was submitting the guy but he told me he said I wasn't going to tap to it unless there was over a minute on the clock. But that was a huge feat. I'd never even scored a point in the previous five. And then I just took eight months in a row and just trained very, very hard and when I had to erase a bunch of mistakes and then relearned Jujitsu for competition and also how to actively that's always the worst is like having to completely just dump, like everything you thought you learned or all the progress that you thought you made, and just dump it in the trash.
Speaker 2:You know when I first got into it it was like oh my God, you know I'm making steps, you know I finished top 20, blah, blah, blah. Well, you can finish top 20, top 30 all day if you want to keep doing it like this. And finally, a buddy of mine said he was a pro, danny Evans. He lives up in Monticello. Super good guy, but he's like you need to get a coach and you need to forget everything you ever learned about archery and start over. And he wasn't trying to be a dick, but that's what you got to do that's what you got to do.
Speaker 2:All of a sudden, I'm shooting a pressure release and I don't have a sight on my bow. I'm just blank bailing for hours at a time at five yards, shooting at this bag, and I do that for months, you know. And then, before you know it, muscle memory starts to take over. Then you start to work on the mental game, and then you start to work on other techniques. You learn how to tweak your equipment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's around 2,300 reps that you have to have before things become like muscle memory and reflex, and to do that in an active, in an engaging environment where someone's trying to take your limbs off or your head off, you know.
Speaker 2:It's a little more International competitions are.
Speaker 1:They're a different ball game, the family tournaments and the other ones of Fuji's and the things we go to. They're very friendly. You don't find too many guys that are out there to Puffing their chest. Yeah, they don't have that look on their face like I just need to kill someone today.
Speaker 1:You know every now and then every now and then you get that at an international. When you go to the Pan Am games or you go to Worlds. You're looking across that mat and that guy's got something to prove that day, so you know that you're in for a war every round at Pan's and Worlds. It's the two largest tournaments and it took, it took him. So three years after working with Chad Hawkins, he's a nine-time world champion and I think he's got nine or 10 Pan Ams as well. Right, but I have now hit the Pan's and Worlds stage five times combined. There you go, so I've made it to top three on those five times now.
Speaker 2:Now what does that look like? When you get there, as far as you go, you weigh in, you do your stuff, and then do they have a set list of the matches you're gonna be part of? Or like walking into one of these national tournaments, what's that look like?
Speaker 1:Okay, the brackets are usually posted the Friday before you have to sign up about two months out a weight class, and you have to weigh in with your uniform if you're doing the ghee, if it's no ghee, your short-term shirt yeah, because there's ghee and no ghee.
Speaker 1:But on the internationals. You go in and you hit weight. If you're over by an ounce at the time, you decide to step on the real scale. When they call you, you're disqualified, you go home, that's it. There's no money back there. So you've gotta make that weight. And I have all my guys. We make weight the week before, One week before. We maintain it all week. That way we're comfortable already.
Speaker 2:It's crazy what some of these professional athletes do to lose it all like a day or two before and still be able to put on the kind of performance I don't think that people understand like.
Speaker 1:No, and that's what that was, and it's not really healthy.
Speaker 1:No, no, if you, because you what is it? There's like 11, 12% of your body weight can be pulled out by water on a healthy level. But I tell my guys I'm like I don't want any more than seven pounds a night before, cause we can lose seven pounds in a training session in two hours. So I was like that's just water, that'll come back on. We can do that every night if we wanted to. But okay, step them back on. You weigh in and you might go straight to your mat. So there's no cutting weight on an international. You've gotta be on weight and ready to go. Some of the smaller tournaments you can weigh in the night before and then you can rehydrate. So you might cut a little bit for those. But you don't know if there's gonna be enough.
Speaker 2:Well, they don't want you, they don't want you packing it back on the next day.
Speaker 1:The internationals are very. They're very good about keeping the age, the weight, the rank and everything, really even. But I said there's no time to rehydrate If you're and I've seen people there just running circles and sweatsuits at you know, at the top of the stairs of the, of wherever the building is, and running out and parking lots and like they're draining all the energy before the first match.
Speaker 2:That's insane.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I tell my guys.
Speaker 2:But I guess that's you know, that's what some of the professional UFC guys do, so that's what they think they need to do, which I would be much more on your level, like, hey, let's, let's hit weight like the week before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we hit the week before we maintain one or two pounds over all week. I don't like my guys coming in at the bottom, you know. So it's if. If I do have guys that are like, hey, I'm four pounds over this weight division, but I'm just going to sign up for it anyway, and you know, it might be a 15 pound bracket, so I'm like everybody else is going to be 11 pounds heavier than you and they're like it's fine, you know. So there's like, if you're, if you're comfortable with it, I'm comfortable with it. Let's not cut weight, let's just work. You know, there you go and going that way once you hit the blue belt and the purple belt look the.
Speaker 2:What are the levels? Just in a nutshell.
Speaker 1:White, blue, purple, brown, black. Okay, that's the main five and it takes 10 to 15 years to get a black belt in jujitsu. Okay, so it's, you know, two to four years at a white belt, two to four years at a blue belt. Purples, usually about two to three years, and then browns, usually one or two years, and then black belt, depending on you know if you can system training, depending on your instructor and your training and your school and if and if you're doing really well and working really hard.
Speaker 1:I mean, you're looking at two years. Two years it can be eight years.
Speaker 2:You know, that's the minimum basically to get to a black belt, but that's, that's you. And a gym, what? Three or four nights a week, at least.
Speaker 1:I know two guys that did the eight year plan. That's my instructor, chad Hawkins, and another one of his main training partners then was Andrew Wiltsian. But they both won pans and worlds every year, from white to black belt. You know, whenever they, what the black belt that's whatever, they both won pans and I don't remember what happened to worlds that year, but they won. You know, like I say, white belt, blue belt, purple belt, brown belt, pans and worlds, and then pans, black belt, and it was just amazing to watch. But they did the eight year plan. So it was they. But they they would pick two to four moves a month, 10,000 reps, you know 333 a day and you know they like I say one move for 300, another one move for 300 every day, and then they would do normal classes, and so it's a quite the regiment for that.
Speaker 2:And that's hard for a full time working guy to do. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:They were basically, you know, chad, I went to his gym and Andrew was running his the gym down in Mount Vernon and living there. So that's what they had to do. That's true. And this is, like, say, hard for people with families. So that's why I tell people, you know, just enjoy the ride. It's going to be a little more time. Two to four years at those first two belts, you know it's. It's there's very common to have an eight year purple belt, you know. So if you're two, two to four years out, two to three years at white and two to three years of blue, you know, two to four years, it's just enjoy the ride, yup, and learn as much as you can. And I've told my students I said, if you really want to belt up, take it out of my hands. You know, if you go to worlds or pans and you win it, there's nothing I can do other than give you your next level, you know and.
Speaker 1:I said because if I don't, I said the whole community is going to come down on me. And then I have one guy. He took it to heart and he he won pans at white belt and cause he wanted to be a two year white belt and he goes, I'm going to go do pans in my second year. And he did. And he went there and he won. And whenever he got he got his blue belt and he put a post in our group chat and he said how did a coach tell me that? You know, if, if you want to excel in the belt system, take it out of your coach's hands, just do the work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I'm sure that there's a good motivational factor there. But at the same time you got to manage the ego and you got to, you got to. You know, you put in the work and and I guess that's probably the hardest part about what you do is people, and that instant gratification, wanting that next belt, but they don't want to put the work into it, you know, or they're not ready for that they're not ready and and you can't.
Speaker 1:that's that's the worst. Is is being in, you know, in a competition environment.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You give someone their blue belt or purple belt and then send them to a competition and they're not ready, they're probably going to get hurt.
Speaker 1:I mean, there's a great their, their reflexes are not going to be ready and they're going to something's going to break. So I was like you know, it's, it's for safety as well. Right, you know, I was like I will never over over promote anyone for any reason. And I was over promoted and I got hurt a couple of times on white belt and then, you know, I got my blue belt before I had every miscored a point and a white belt level. So I was like, why am I here? And that's when I really had to look at things and changed the past. I was on. It was either quick competing, stay in the network I was in and completely leave competition. One, you know, wasn't very good at it, but two, I was getting hurt and I just I just couldn't keep up. What's the level? So I had to change my mindset or change my direction.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean that's not just archery or jujitsu or that's a life thing, you know, and that's probably like I do with archery and everything that you learn there, as far as taking your time, doing everything you can in your mental game to get through something. That's just as important as the practice itself is what's going on between your ears.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I found the Terry Wunderley who his son Victor was, I think, at 94, he won bronze, no, he won silver at 94 with recurve.
Speaker 1:Oh nice.
Speaker 2:So you know that's a family that knows what they're doing and he watched me shoot. You know I went down there on a Saturday and he watched me shoot for a while and he goes. You got a really nice shot. If I could fix what's going on between your ears, you'd never lose 98% of it.
Speaker 2:So you know, it's just you know, at that point in time in life, when you hear people that are smarter, wiser, have seen more than you, you know, are you going to heed some of the things that you're being told to move up to that next level, or to master the level that you're at, or, like you're talking about the ego, the id? Yeah, you know that whole spectrum of you know. Am I going to be that kind of person that's not coachable or am I going to be that kind of person that just does it my way? And we've had a few of those.
Speaker 2:Sometimes it works A lot of times it don't, I talk to them.
Speaker 1:And then if I'm not getting through or it doesn't change, you know I'll go inside our network, to my superiors and other people in the gym who are good with talking to people, and I'll have them talk to them. I'll be like just to help them out. Let them know that there's no reason to go in and try to win practice every day. There's no reason to tell people you're going to beat them every day in your own gym. Those are your training partners, those are the people that are trying to help you get better.
Speaker 1:And then you know, then it comes to suspensions. All right, hey, you just hurt three people this week. That's a month's suspension. Just think about what you're doing. You know why would you hurt someone? You know you're just, you're going a little too fast, you're going a little too hard. There's no reason. How can all these other people make podiums in first place, second place, third place, you know, in 15 man brackets and not hurt anyone ever? You know it can be done. You don't have to be that guy. And then if it just doesn't work, then I just tell them. You know, maybe this isn't the place for you, and part ways, or no, it happens, yeah, and like it's another life thing.
Speaker 2:You know, there's people that come into our lives and sometimes it's best just to let them walk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and it's unfortunate, you know, because usually they walk out with a whole bunch of skills that either you or your training partners, the other people, have helped them achieve, and it's like, man, I just needed you to just calm down a little bit, just be a little better human today, you know, and let this be your stress reliever instead of creator, and you know that they take those skills out and then you know, you got to train someone else up to that level, but also without the ego.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go so. So did you have any good luck hunting this last weekend? No, neither did I. No, it's all on a deer. Nothing I wanted to shoot.
Speaker 1:They were all too far and I had my son with me, so he's 12 and he fidgets a lot. So I had to make sure that we didn't get real close to bedding areas, real close to feeding areas. But we kind of hung out and hope won't cross our path.
Speaker 2:And at school I noticed that you're pretty good about like, yeah, you're a jujitsu instructor here, but your kids play basketball. They play baseball, they work out CrossFit, you know, and yeah, they roll around with you guys a little bit too, but, like you know, yeah.
Speaker 1:My rule in my house is you have to do something in an athletic scene, I don't care what it is, but I, you know, obviously I follow my dreams and my passion and my son was. He was out in the garage with us when he was five and then he did basically from five to 10 years old he was wrestling jujitsu and working out constantly and he won the kids con in Las Vegas. He won a kickboxing tournament this about a year and a half ago and then had an 18 and 0 wrestling season and then he just stopped. He went and did basketball and then baseball started and then cross country started and he was off the mats for 16 months and you know maybe he'll come back to it, maybe he won't.
Speaker 1:Says he wants to wrestle again this year, and so he's been back in the last three weeks twice a week and it was like, like I said, as long as they're doing something. So we were in the gym on weekends working on his pitching. He's a pitcher. He faced 225 batters this last season and he walked, I think, 22 of them. Wow, yeah, so he's got a really good, really good stride on us and a good release on his pitch.
Speaker 2:He's got Corby there to work with too, which that helps too. You know he was a college baseball player.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he said he played baseball, but I've been Logan and I have been working on our pitching for like four years at home. We have a mound there next to the machine shed outside and you know. Someone said you know what would you do if he wanted to dance? I said I would get him private lessons on dancing you know, whatever they're going to do, we're going to do that, and if they sign up for a team, they're not allowed to quit it, not until the end of the season.
Speaker 2:They got to fill up my daughter's 100% volleyball right now she wants.
Speaker 1:she was a softball player last seven years.
Speaker 2:She got a.
Speaker 1:West Prairie. Uh, no, okay.
Speaker 2:If they went to West Prairie it's like well, of course it's it's they're, they're, they're pretty much. You have to do volleyball if you live in that school district. It seems like it's kind of what they got.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, she does Macomb volleyball and she does the club volleyball. Awesome. She's traveled softball. She was a really good ball player, but she just wants to do volleyball now and I'm like, so she works out. Um, if she's not working out at the Y or or Colchester or my gem, you know, she's usually somewhere doing something to, because she's just got, she wants to get her her vertical higher. She's, she's almost five nine at 14 years old and I'm only five eight, so I mean I keep my shoes on when hers are off. There you go.
Speaker 1:But she's, she's got a good spike coming in, she's got a good jump.
Speaker 2:Um, she's getting better every year and, uh, you know, that was a something, that was something that that my parents always instilled was like, okay, you know, are, are you playing basketball this year? It's like, yeah, I had gotten, I got in the high school. I'd, you know, rather drive cars and chase girls, you know. And then it's like, okay, well, you're going to work, you know. So, if I wasn't in a sport, it was I was delivering pizzas or I was doing construction or I was doing something, and you know, they always just made sure that you were busy with something. And you know, you're not going to sit on the couch and play the damn video games all day.
Speaker 1:So when I was 16, my my parents told me they said you want a vehicle. Um, you're going to work now. So I had to quit all sports and I worked three 30 at midnight through high school. Oh wow, I had a factory there in in Effingham. So, john Bose is, they had a she. Uh, they could stain the steel, not a sink part tables. And then they made butcher block tables and butcher blocks and things on the other parts Got you. That's what I did after school every day.
Speaker 2:So I can see why you, you know, want to give your kids every opportunity to chase those kind of things.
Speaker 1:So they get to, they get to stay in sports. As long as I'm I can afford it. And you know I say travel ball is is expensive, and not just the fees, and you know, keeping them in gear, but also getting them there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and when you got two kids, one one was in Iowa one weekend, the other one was in Peoria and we had hotels at both, oh wow. So it's just you get them at funded. Their mom was at one, I was at the other, and the games finished off once I, I left, uh, Burlington and drove all the way down the Beardstown and caught my daughter's last softball game. Once you know, my son was coming off the off the field and they're getting their, their medals around their neck and I was like run to the truck and we literally sprinted to the truck and drove down and we made the last half of her last game. That's awesome. I try to try to make it all on my. I got a four year old as well. He's, he's coming up, he's going to be, he's going to be something, he's something.
Speaker 2:They normally are. Yeah, so go ahead and go ahead and plug your gym um where people can find you on the socials.
Speaker 1:Um, we know the, the Shadjujitsu Academy. Um, we have Instagram, facebook, youtube. We have a website, the Shadjujitsu Academycom. You can sign up online. You can do two week free trials. Um, we're month, month to month. Um, let me see, 75 a month is our elite membership. That will get you everything in 24, seven access so you can come in and work out seven days a week. You can do all the wrestling, the boxing classes, or you can come in on your own time. You can use the sauna. You can come in there just to use the sauna. You know it's, it's your facility, it's just. You know, follow the rules of cleaning. But, um, like I said, two, 12 South Collins Avenue. We're in the same building as Mactown fitness where you have the front of it. Um, let me see, it is trying to see if I was forgetting anything.
Speaker 2:I think you got it. Um, you're not hard to find. Uh, just like I said, I went in there to one day to drop some stuff off for you. There's like two dozen kids in there rolling around you know, so it's it's. It's a super, super laid back um you know family friendly atmosphere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we've got great coaches, um, we, we've got a third degree black belt and judo in there. We've got two guys that run the wrestling program that wrestled, uh, for Lindenwood and UW white water. You know, um, their, their skills are very, very good and whenever people come in off the street and they have good knowledge, we'll just teach class. You know, show us what you know. Um, like I say, even the all the egos have to be gone. This, you know, I don't. I can't have one to say you only learned from me and you're going to do it my way. You know, I was like we had we had a guy last week come in um and he, he works at Western but did MMA in the past and he had some really good, uh, wrestling techniques and him and the two wrestlers were over there playing. I was like dude, we pulled him in. He, he goes. Can I show this? Yeah, we, I lined everybody up. He, he taught the class. You know, there, you go, there you go, learn everything Takes a village.
Speaker 1:You can yeah Learn everything you can, you know, and just help each other and get better together. But we in October, we had 115 people in there, Wow, and you know, coming from you know, two people in my machine shed, uh, just about six. It was 2017, I think, when I started in there. Hell yeah, dude, and now we run consistently. You know around 70 people. Yeah, It'll go up and down every month, Yep.
Speaker 2:Just like any other gym membership. Awesome, yeah, so go check out what Michael's got going on there. He was also a partner here, um, for the podcast in the razz at the Ritz. We appreciate you helping out with that. That was, um, a great time. Um, we got another one coming up here in January. Uh, nice to be continued. Um, but uh, we got some stuff coming up and definitely go check this guy out. Um, a lot of experience, sounds like they have a lot of fun. Uh, it's a good time. Uh, the shed, the shed you, just when I moved it in town.
Speaker 1:I said what are we going to call it now? And they said you have to keep it at the shed, it's going to be the shed. Every text message was just hey, are you going to be at the shed tonight? You're going to be at the shed this weekend, or can I come out to the shed with a buddy of mine? It was just just how it came out. There you go, there we are.
Speaker 2:All right, check it out. The shed, mccomb, illinois. Thanks man, thank you.
