Ep 275 - Inclusive Leadership and the Power of Introversion with Dr. Shirah Mansaray

Have you ever wondered how introversion can be a driving force for leadership and advocacy? In this episode of The Quiet And Strong Podcast, Dr. Shirah Mansaray—a solicitor, advocate, and managing partner—joins David Hall to share her journey and insights on inclusive leadership and the unique strengths of introverts.

You’ll learn how introverts can influence, communicate with clarity, and create lasting impact both in the boardroom and beyond. Key takeaways include strategies for leveraging reflective thinking, navigating "performance extroversion," creating psychological safety for diverse teams, and finding practical ways to recharge and maintain well-being.

If you’re looking to embrace your introverted strengths, lead authentically, and advocate for yourself and others, this conversation is for you. Discover how to turn quiet confidence into bold action—and be strong.

Episode Link: QuietandStrong.com/275

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Dr Shirah Z. Mansaray, is a Solicitor-Advocate, Managing Partner of law firm, Themis Crown Advocates, and founder of Purposeful Peak Performance Executive Coaching. Dr Mansaray has over 20 years of experience across legal advisory, governance, and nonprofit leadership and serves as a Non-Executive Director at Amnesty International UK. She also serves on the International Advisory Board of Saviesa Think Tank.

Her advisory work focuses on social justice, governance, and leadership, particularly in advancing ethical and inclusive decision-making at the highest levels of organisations in the UK, Africa and Europe.

Connect with Dr. Shirah: Website | Instagram | LinkedIn | Youtube

Transcript

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:00:00]:
First of all, I want to demystify what it means to be an introvert. And I'm speaking to a lot of sort of young leaders, aspiring leaders and lawyers to help them lean into the strengths of introversion, even though they want to become lawyers. Because as an advocate, I have the opportunity to speak up. I have the opportunity to utilize my platform to speak to issues that are closely aligned to my mission and my values. But because I am an introvert, I've also found ways in which I can use written communication. So I write thought leadership pieces, I write op eds. I am also exploring sort of longer length written material because that's also a way in which you can continue to make an impact and have your voice speak in different formats. So for me, being an introverted advocate is still being able to influence, communicate strategically and with clarity and make a difference in the world.

David Hall [00:01:15]:
Hello. Welcome to episode 275 of the Quiet

David Hall [00:01:19]:
Strong podcast, especially for introverts. I'm your host David hall and the

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creator of Quietestronk.com this is a weekly podcast dedicated to understanding the strengths and needs of introverts along with strategies for success.

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Introversion is not something to fix, but to be embraced. Normally we are each episode on a Monday. Be sure to subscribe on your favorite platform, leave a review or a rating that would mean a lot to me and help others find the show, tell

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a friend about the podcast and help

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get the word out there that introversion is a beautiful thing. Dr. Shira Manzaray is a solicitor, advocate, managing partner of law firm Themis Crown Advocates and founder of Purposeful Peak performance executive coaching. Dr. Menzere has over 20 years of experience across legal advisory, governance and nonprofit leadership and serves as a non Executive director and Amnesty International uk. She also serves on the International Advisory Board SABISIA Think tank. Her advisory work focuses on social justice, governance and leadership, particularly in advancing ethical and inclusive decision making at the highest levels of organizations in the uk, Africa and Europe.

David Hall [00:02:37]:
All right, well, welcome to the Quiet and strong podcast. Dr. Shira Mansaray Shir, it's so good to have you on today.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:02:44]:
Thank you very much, David for having me on.

David Hall [00:02:47]:
Absolutely. So we're going to get into the work you do. First, of course, tell us a little bit about yourself and your journey to the work that you do.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:02:56]:
Thank you. So my background is as both a lawyer and somebody who is passionate about advocating for equity and justice. So before becoming a lawyer I was very much a student activist. I would fundraise for organizations such as Amnesty International and Save the Children. And when I had an opportunity to intern after my law degree, I was able to work at the Council of Europe in Strasbourg. And that's where I really found my passion to influence change by both locally and internationally. After that, I worked as an advocate with the Financial Ombudsman Service. I then progressed into charity work where I started up an organization called I Am Somebody's Child Soldier.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:03:50]:
And the organization supports young children who are either former victims of war or were actively engaged in conflict. And through that organization, I led the mental health and education programs as well as led the leadership team as the CEO. Ten years after I decided I was going to go back into full time legal advice. And now I'm a partner at Themis Crown Advocates and lead the charity and social enterprise team at the law firm.

David Hall [00:04:25]:
Wow, you're doing a lot of great work.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:04:28]:
Thank you, David.

David Hall [00:04:30]:
And we are going to get more into that. But first, of course, you're on the Quiet and Strong podcast and you're a fellow introvert. So when did you figure out that you were an introvert?

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:04:39]:
Great question. And David, before I go into how I figured out and when I figured out as an introvert, I always make this anecdotal. Anecdotal statement around. Introversion is oftentimes in my area of work looked at as a negative trait. And that is because as a lawyer, as an advocate, you do require instances of extroverted communication and that level of performance. So what I grappled with earlier on in my career was performance extroversion, where I would have to project my full voice and I'd have to speak up and really challenge myself as an introvert to be an extrovert. And because of the way in which I was looking to pursue my career objectives around becoming sort of a leader, a partner at a law firm, and having a wider scale of influence, I thought that I had to be an extrovert in order to get there. Fortunately, I had really great mentors who saw the toil it was taking on me in this performative extroversion that I was embroiled in.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:05:56]:
So earlier on they managed to give me the grace and the space to lean into the strengths of introversion, which I'm sure we're probably going to talk about. But then I learned how to utilize my skills as a reflective thinker and somebody who enjoys written communication and strategic thought stored. So those are the tools that I have since then leaned on to develop my advocacy and my career. So to your question, around when I realized I was an introvert I would say as early as an early teenager when I was doing the campaigning work with Amnesty International and other organizations because I would speak softly and quietly even on the busy streets of London and I still manage to get people to stop and sign up and engage with me. And I realized that actually I am somebody who prefers the dialogue and the communication one to one as opposed to large audiences and trying to garner communication impact with that. That's not to say that I don't speak on stages because I do do a lot of public speaking, but it's just understanding now that there are ways which as an introvert, self declared introvert, I can still communicate to my strengths.

David Hall [00:07:19]:
Yeah, that's so beautifully said because it's, it's, you have great strengths that you just, you just articulated. And it's, and that's the point of this show is we are learning. Learn your gifts, lean into them. You don't have to pretend to be an extrovert. You can be wildly successful as an introvert, but understanding your gifts and you know, many great famous public speakers are introverts, they just learned how to do their preparation, how, you know, sometimes manage your energy around that, things like that. So you don't have to be, pretend to be an extrovert. That's the whole point of the show. So well said on that.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:07:56]:
Thanks.

David Hall [00:07:57]:
So what's another strength that you have because you're an introvert in terms of strengths?

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:08:03]:
The judgment. I, I believe from the approach that I take when I am either making a decision or a choice or ruminating on what's next, I have been able to understand the power of good judgment and I lean into my intuitiveness and reflective nature before making a decision. I know sometimes leaders are required to make quick decisions and to be decisive, but I've also found it's not necessarily the speed at which you make an important decision, it's also the judgment that you bring. And as somebody who relies heavily on my inner wisdom and inner voice, I have built resources that I can lean into. Whether that's because I read quite a significant amount of literature, books, thought leadership pieces. When it does come to making a decision, I'm able to take a step back, reflect on all that I have perhaps read in the past or at that moment, and then move from a position of strength.

David Hall [00:09:14]:
Yeah. And you know, sometimes we make quick decisions, but sometimes our introvert gifts require some time and we just need to learn to ask for that when needed and, you know, not take all the time in the world but come up with A reasonable deadline for ourselves to. To think. But sometimes we make quick decisions, but sometimes we just need to say, you know, give me a little bit of time to think about that.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:09:42]:
Yes.

David Hall [00:09:44]:
And Dr. Shear, on this podcast, we bust myths. What's an introvert myth you want to bust today?

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:09:52]:
Oh, great question. I'm going to speak to this. From what I have heard others say, it's not necessarily perhaps as wide as widely understood, but I think people think introverts are shy. And I always tell people I'm not shy. If I do come across as shy, then that's perhaps something that the other person has observed from their own lens. But I don't think introverts are shy. I think we're good communicators. If anything, when we have the space to communicate, we are able to speak with clarity and articulate our thoughts.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:10:32]:
We speak at a pace that allows us to both think and reflect and then speak with that level of reflection and insight which doesn't necessarily speak to shyness. I do believe that because we sometimes are soft spoken or come to a grouped conversation with our own dynamic of first listening to others, sometimes people perceive our listening skills and our desire to listen intently as a node to shyness, which I don't believe is entirely true.

David Hall [00:11:10]:
Yeah. And you know, the funny thing about that is they're shy extroverts. So it doesn't mean shy. Shy means that you're lacking confidence in some way for some reason. There can be a lot of causes to it, but it's not synonymous with, with introversion. It just isn't. And also why I do this show is I think that sometimes when someone doesn't understand their introversion, that can make them shy. But by understanding it as we're talking about, you can gain confidence, you know, and there could be other.

David Hall [00:11:42]:
There could be other causes as well.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:11:44]:
Yes.

David Hall [00:11:46]:
And then what does it mean to you to be an introvert advocate?

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:11:52]:
Yes, and that's, I call it a tagline, but also a very intentional branding strategy that I am now leaning into because I, first of all, I want to demystify what it means to be an introvert. And I'm speaking to a lot of sort of young leaders, aspiring leaders and lawyers to help them lean into the strengths of introversion, even though they want to become lawyers. Because as an advocate, I have the opportunity to speak up. I have the opportunity to utilize my platform to speak to issues that are closely aligned to my mission and my values. But because I am an introvert, I've also found ways in Which I can use written communication. So I write thought leadership pieces, I write op eds. I am also exploring sort of longer length written material because that's also a way in which you can continue to make an impact and have your voice speak in different formats. So for me, being an introverted advocate is still being able to influence, communicate strategically and with clarity and make a difference in the world.

David Hall [00:13:09]:
Yeah, definitely. And also, you talk a lot about inclusive leadership. What is that? What makes a great leader and what is inclusive leadership?

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:13:21]:
When it comes to inclusive leadership, I. So I'll speak to it from the point of what I aspire to achieve as an inclusive leader. And then I'll also speak to some of the challenges that are brought about because being an inclusive leader is not necessarily the norm. Especially that, you know, the wherever there is power, there is tension. And wherever you are convening power, whether that's in a boardroom or in the C suite, there are those tensions that come about because of the different personalities that end up holding power. So to your point around inclusive leadership, I believe this is a way of leading, where you bring people along the journey for the mission that you're striving to achieve. And the journey part is important because you understand that there are different ways that you can be inclusive. You can look to your culture.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:14:20]:
What culture are you building within that organization through your role as a leader and understand how that culture could be inclusive. The different ways you could utilize collaborative models of working, the ways in which you can encourage recruiting diverse talent, the ways in which you allow those around you to ask questions to constructively challenge you as a leader. I know sometimes leaders are against being challenged, but I firmly believe the way in which we grow as leaders is giving our team and our peers opportunities to constructively challenge us. However, the disclaimer, there is respect. You know, when you are an inclusive leader or when you're aspiring to be an inclusive leader, sometimes you find barriers because the boundaries get crossed. And if you don't have the confidence and the strength in your own leadership style to reinforce those boundaries, then you end up down a slippery slope where people mistake your inclusive leadership as a weakness. So going back to your question around, you know, what is inclusive leadership? For me, it is to be able to create those spaces where people come along that journey with you to achieve the mission. But that journey needs to have embedded cultural change, embedded diversity as well.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:15:43]:
And the language and communication and models for respect and boundaries need to be maintained at all points.

David Hall [00:15:51]:
Yeah. So let's talk a little bit more about Perception of weakness, you know, when it's not the traditional type of leadership, people think they need to see, how can we change that? How can we change that perception? Like, you know, this is, you know, the traditional leadership isn't necessarily the best

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:16:12]:
in terms of changing. I believe when it comes to noticing that something isn't working, there's, you know, perhaps two paths one can take. One is in just recognizing that the style of leadership that you are on or that organization has forced you as a leader to go down is not authentic to you. So that recognition piece, perhaps again, speaking to my introversion and my reflective way of approaching problems, is important because what you know, you can change. What you don't know, you, you know, you cannot start to change. So the awareness, understanding where you are on that journey as a leader and where your organization is, is important as a first path or step. Second, it's about realizing what tools do you have within your organization or within your own leadership development program to start to articulate your leadership that is authentic to you so you could utilize. You know, there's different tools out there, whether it's to do with getting a coach or getting a mentor, or getting a group of peers that support you to embed your leadership style that is inclusive and authentic.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:17:28]:
However, to your point around weakness, the stigma that is sometimes affiliated with inclusive leadership, depending on the organization or depending on the people in that leadership circle, either in boardrooms or C suite, is just as important. Because if you are in a space that considers inclusive leadership or authentic leadership as a weak way of leading, for lack of better terminologies, then you can do one of two things. Raise awareness that this. There are different ways that being inclusive leader presents a positive and value add for the organization. So it does allow for constructive challenge. It does allow for people to feel that they are part of the organization and that hopefully would increase productivity of the staff because they feel that they are in an organization that is supportive and inclusive. And it also supports the board to manage risk and to have those strategic conversations in a way that aligns to the broader mission. So bringing it back for your listeners as well.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:18:39]:
When it comes to the weakness, anytime you are looking to lean into your own leadership philosophy or ethos, whether it's being an inclusive leader or a visionary or a strategic leader, always think about how you can build awareness of that leadership and how it adds value to your organization, but also those around you that can support you to continue on that journey to be an authentic leader.

David Hall [00:19:04]:
Absolutely. And it's not always the loudest in the room that is the leader, right?

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:19:10]:
Yes.

David Hall [00:19:11]:
And, you know, that's part of why I do this show is, you know, I really do believe that there are many introverts that don't understand their gifts and they're not speaking up, they're not sharing their ideas as they should be. I know. So I know brilliant people that should be sharing their ideas better. So, back to leaders. How can leaders ensure that, you know, their teams are sharing their ideas and they feel comfortable that, you know, there's a psychological safety there?

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:19:43]:
David, to your point of psychological safety, a couple of things. First of all, psychological safety should not be seen as just a soft approach to creating spaces where people are safe. There are also advantages for that organization, both from a strategic level. So psychologically safe boardrooms, C suites, organisations do have added advantage of being able to articulate the risks for the organisation because those individuals can then speak up. They can then feel confident enough to constructively challenge the senior leadership team or present their ideas and thoughts in a way that meets the expectations of the team. Now, for introverts, if you are somebody who prefers to write your. To write your points, or if you have an idea, or if you've noticed that there is a risk emerging for the organization and you perhaps don't have that level of confidence to sit down with your manager or the senior leader to articulate that, then there are powerful tools that you could utilize, whether it's writing that down, whether it's having a session where you bring other people who are the evidence bearers, who can speak to that risk. So I know different leaders who, when it comes to presenting a risk to the board, so if you're our CEO and you're presenting to your board of directors and you've noticed a risk, you would sometimes bring experts, whether that's an independent review or an independent report, to substantiate what you've discovered as a risk.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:21:36]:
And those are ways in which you are bringing others on that journey with you. But at the same time, you're leaning into the power of additional evidence to support you as an introvert in communicating what you've have a very clear and intuitive understanding of as a risk.

David Hall [00:21:56]:
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And so how do introverts learn to advocate for themselves?

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:22:07]:
I believe we learn to advocate for ourselves through lived experience. So I'll take us back to when I had to quickly advocate for myself because I was in a room where there was a group of students. This is back when I was in Uganda and I was in a room, group of students were making noise and the teacher walks in with a cane and he's going to cane these students. And having come from the uk, I automatically knew, this is wrong, you do not do this to children. But I was quite young, I must have been probably, you know, 10, 11. So in that moment I had a choice to make. I could either witness this injustice unfolding or I could speak up and advocate for these children. And I spoke up.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:22:58]:
And in that time, that was the first time that the teacher had ever had a student speak to them like that. And bear in mind, you know, as you can probably tell from the way that I'm speaking, I am not the loudest person in the room. So even the way in which I spoke up, if I recollect it wasn't loud, it was just firm. And he walked away. He didn't cane the children. And for a period of time I was the one that would speak up when I would see such injustices unfolding. So to your point around speaking up and being able to utilize your voice, I sometimes believe that introverts are called to speak up. Even when we feel scared or when we feel that our voice is not going to be heard, there is just this inner courage that comes through because you don't want to be that person that did not say something when you had the opportunity to.

David Hall [00:23:57]:
Yeah. What a great story. You said you were 10 or 11?

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:24:01]:
Yes.

David Hall [00:24:02]:
Wow. And I'm sure the other children appreciated your advocating for them.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:24:08]:
Thank you.

David Hall [00:24:09]:
Yeah, amazing. And you know, and our teams are often going to be made up of introverts, extra and extroverts. Just naturally. How can leaders learn to support the different personality types?

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:24:24]:
I think with leaders we first of all need to be able to notice who's in our team and find ways to support them so that they can also see for themselves who they are. So sometimes as leaders you've got the pressure of fulfilling on, you know, financial targets or cultural change, you know, you've got different pressures that you're navigating. But the fundamental core pressure or core objective should be the well being of your team. Because that's when you have an organization that thrives. And for you to notice the well being of your team, it is important to support those individual members to have a level of self awareness and communicate that confidently with you. So first of all, it is bringing those individuals either through one to one sessions where you have touch points with leaders. Now not every organisation can do this, obviously. You know, some organizations are very large.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:25:24]:
But even a leader who is, for example, A line manager, that's still a safe space where that individual team member can have a line of communication to somebody in a leadership position and build that relationship. The other question, Sorry, the other point to your question is sponsorship opportunities. Now as leaders, we can choose to be mentors to those within our line management or those who are aspiring to get to the stages that we are. But I believe individuals are heavily mentored and not as sponsored. Now a sponsoring relationship is where, if I am a leader, I would advocate for you in closed doors where you're not, because I know your skills, I know how good you are at delivering on your job, I know your values, I understand where your career objectives are. So I've had that chance to notice you as a team member and we've had those one to ones where you've confided in me what your aspirations are. Now I can take that upon myself to help you advance in your career by speaking your name and your influence and impact in those closed doors. So that when you, when the application process opens or when that opportunity arises, your name is already there to be considered.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:26:45]:
There are challenges to it, of course, because you know, like I said, leaders have a lot of different pressures and tensions that they're grappling with. But I am actively encouraging more leaders to be sponsors within their organizations as well.

David Hall [00:26:59]:
Yeah, it's, it's so important you said that, you know, try to have that one on one because. And that's often where we thrive as introverts is, is the one on one communication and try to have that where, where possible, you know, definitely with our immediate team.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:27:16]:
Yes.

David Hall [00:27:17]:
So part of being an introvert is learning to manage energy, you know, finding time to have that space to think and be reflective as we've been talking about. Also there's a time where you do need to recharge. How do you manage your energy as an introvert?

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:27:35]:
Really important question and to the point around well being. I'm hoping that your listeners are able to understand that when you look after yourself, then you can show up for the world, then you can show up for others. But if we are pouring from empty cups, that's when we get depleted. Especially introverted advocates. Because you know, this is a very unique personality type where you feel that you, you want to be part of the solutions. You see the world problems, you see the challenges going on around you, whether it's community level or within your family or broader. And you always want to be part of the solution, which means you're always extending yourself. What I always say to myself is okay, what can I do right now that's going to help me fill my cup? And I have different rituals.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:28:25]:
One in the morning I would, I wake up early, I'm an early riser. I wake up so that I can have that quiet moment to either do some journaling, meditation is very important to me. And pray, praying as well. And just having time to ideate on what I want that day to look like. Despite all the meetings and all the objectives that I need to fulfill on as a leader. I feel like that morning quiet is very important as a way to pour energy into my, my spirit and soul. And then the other thing I do during the day as well, I have check in points where I can either do some breathing exercises or I love to light a fire. Even in the summer I would light a fire in my home if I'm working from home or even just lighting a candle if I am in a space that allows for candles.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:29:19]:
So those are little rituals that just get me to be more present. Otherwise, before you know it, you know, I'm up early, I work late sometimes and just moments of, moments of reflection and well being are what I aspire to.

David Hall [00:29:37]:
Yeah, so important. I'm an early riser too and you know, the house is quiet if I'm up before everybody else and you know there's going to be people listening that aren't early risers and that's fine. But you do need to find your space somewhere. You know, it's, it's so important and it's, it's to, you know, do lots of different things and sometimes the focus is. Well, introverts need their recharge. Yes, absolutely. But we need some quiet for many other things as well. Just, you know, to think, reflect, get some work done.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:30:13]:
Yes, definitely. Even in the evenings for me because I have most of my days intense from meetings, writing, public speaking, extroverted performance as I say. So when I have a moment to go quiet, that's me recharging. Even if it's, you know, taking a walk. I love taking walks around London, watching a sunset. If I am out at the time when the sun is setting, I would intentionally find a moment to stop and appreciate the sunset. So that nature piece for me is important because it just triggers my inner the voice to quiet and to get still. And that's how I recharge.

David Hall [00:30:55]:
Yeah, it's so important to find those quiet times. And I think if anybody's been listening, they can tell you're a very busy person. But you need to find that Space, you know, you need to find that space to, you know, be reflective and, and nature is, is also, you know, that's, that's the place I find that, that piece as well.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:31:16]:
Yes, definitely. And I'll give you another example of how you can still create moments of quiet. And I call them pause moments because imagine, like I alluded to at the beginning of the podcast, I wear several hats. I, a lawyer, I'm a partner at Themis Crown. I'm also the vice chair of Amnesty International's board. I, a mother of three young children, wife. So there's various hats. And I intentionally brought in my family life because there is this growing trend where women who are leaders are busy.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:31:54]:
But I also say, you know, we also have a life and the way in which we can create harmony between our ambitions and our work life is by also noticing our personal lives and how it is affected from the ambitions and the goals that we aspire to achieve as leaders. So by having pause moments that I could lean into, by either spending a moment with in my personal life, finding a way to curate that social life is also just as important because essentially, you know, the world is still going to move forward if something were to happen to me and my health and all I will have is how do I rebuild my health? How do I come back to who I am if I have continuously poured out from an empty cup?

David Hall [00:32:44]:
Yeah, that's some great advice there, Dr. Shera. We've talked about lots of amazing things. Is there anything else you want to add today?

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:32:52]:
So I think to sum up, it is really important to be having this conversation in today's current climate where we have young people who perhaps have not had a chance to work in an office because of the rise in remote working styles, but also the unemployment rate, the ways in which young people are being led to believe there are different careers that they can take that are solely based online. So to our audience, especially those that identify as introverts, and it's important to find ways that you can still be part of your community. It's important to find ways where you can still socialize, have that one to one contact in person, in real life and build those connections. Because, you know, now I'm putting on my hat as Dr. Shira because my PhD looked at mental well being and architecture and how we design our spaces to promote well being. And it's just as important to also intentionally build connections and having those moments where you're speaking to either, you know, family members, friends, just coming outside of your house, we spend 90% of our time in a building. You know, that's a lot of time that we're spending in a building. If we can find ways to spend that time with somebody to build those emotional connections and physical connections, that is how we start to address the rise in loneliness, depression and other mental health.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:34:30]:
Mental illnesses.

David Hall [00:34:32]:
Yeah, absolutely. So thanks again for this great conversation. Where can people find out more about you and the great work you're doing?

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:34:41]:
Thank you, David, for having me. So for those that are listening, you can find me on LinkedIn. Dr. Shiraz. I'm also on Instagram at Introverted Advocate. Very fitting. And you know, online from the law firm's website or anyone who's in person in London. And I'll be more than happy to to meet up and have a coffee if possible.

David Hall [00:35:06]:
All right. Well, thank you, Dr. Shera.

Dr. Shirah Mansaray [00:35:08]:
You're very welcome. Take care.

David Hall [00:35:11]:
Thank you so much for joining me. I appreciate you. I hope you take the time to explore other episodes and learn from other amazing guests. Remember, if you're interested in getting to know yourself better, there is now a free Typ finder personality assessment on the Quiet and Strong website. This free assessment will give you a brief report including the four letter Myers Briggs Code. I'll add a link in the show notes and I'd love to connect with you. Reach out to daviduyanstrong.com or check out the quietandstrong.com website which includes blog posts and links to social media for quiet and strong and much more. Send me topics or guests you would like to see on the show.

David Hall [00:35:50]:
So many great things about being an introvert and so we need those to be understood. Get to know your introverted strengths and needs and be strong.