Finding your Way in life! | Matt Gardiner

Today on the show, we have matt, an awesome chill dude. We talk about working retail and leaving the rat race. Music, food waste, and music! so buckle up and get ready for an awesome chat!

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intro guy: 0:58

Welcome to the Josh Bolton show. Dive into interesting and inspiring conversations. And now your host Josh Bolton.

Josh Bolton: 1:13

Hey, are you doing one sec. Oh, there he is.

matt G: 1:17

There we go. How's it going, buddy?

Josh Bolton: 1:18

Good in yourself.

matt G: 1:19

Very good. Thanks for having me on.

Josh Bolton: 1:21

Thanks for coming on. Yeah, for sure. So how's everything been on your end? Good,

matt G: 1:26

good. actually really good. I kind of paused my my podcasting just for a bit like I'm in a business mentoring program for my coaching program that I started. Okay. And so it's good though, because I I'm kind of well ahead on my episode, so I had enough episodes to carry me through till about May. So I got it. That's a lot. Yeah. Well, I'm just weekly right. So it's, uh, that part is taken care of. I ended up getting an interview with Hannah setup. So I have a couple interviews. Next I'm doing Yeah. So thanks for the for the hook up on that. Did you reach out to Katie at all? Yeah,

Josh Bolton: 2:01

I haven't heard back. So

matt G: 2:02

I'll try again. Oh, interesting. Okay, cool. I probably didn't get do good coffee. So she was just like, oh, it's like every other person. Ah, and perhaps Yeah, who knows? Or just she's super busy too. So who knows? Cool. Did Yeah, everything's good. on your

Josh Bolton: 2:15

end? It seems good on my end. So, like, who your business mentoring? Are you joining a program where you actually like coaching people?

matt G: 2:25

So I'm like I Yes. To explain, it's like, I'm a coach. So I do like transformational coaching or mindset coaching, as well as sound therapy. But I'm in a, like, a coaching program for coaches, I guess. So it's like, it's like a business mentoring program. It's called strong coach. So it's like a pretty comprehensive would it be about three and a half month sort of steps, step by step how to, you know, get your ideal client how to get an offering, and how to get an offering that resonates how to market yourself, you know, properly, like taking all of the guesswork out, because all these guys have done it before. So they're basically taking you step by step. Okay, this works, this doesn't so just cuts down a lot of like, you know, wasted time money, yada, yada. It's just kind of like, yeah, that's sort of the idea with it. So

Josh Bolton: 3:16

cool. Cool. Yeah. The, I have a group I work with, and we meet like, every Thursday, usually. And that's the same thing he does. It's just like, Okay, I've done this, you don't have to do it. Just follow my roadmap kind of thing. Yeah. So save yourself a fortune that I've spent figuring this out? Well, that's

matt G: 3:33

the thing, right? Because like I did spend a decent chunk on this, but conversely, how much extra time would I've spent otherwise on, you know, bogus marketing or just kind of like trial and error and, you know, two or three years of like that and then going through all this different like, you know, the imposter syndrome and self doubt and everything else that comes along with that, you know, those lovely feelings that that come when you're just doing it by yourself, right. But when you have like I've actual mentor that we check in once a week, we have like a mastermind we do a group call. So it's like all the group kind of collaborating, where you guys with it. So just lots of great energy. Everybody like minded people, everybody's like, super into it. And so you know, to me, that's worth worth every penny at that point, right?

Josh Bolton: 4:14

Oh, 100%. And if you work, right, you can also get context from them and be like, Oh, hey, I like what is usually a zoom call, right? Yeah, exactly. Yep. So if they haven't set up, you could just direct message and be like, Hey, I like what you're saying, Can I get an email kind of thing?

matt G: 4:26

100% 100%. So, you know, that's just that makes you feel like you're making progress. Whereas sometimes if you're just striking out on your own, it's, you get lost along the way, and that's when you start getting my family, you know, that's when the little inner critic starts chiming in and you're not an entrepreneur, what the hell are you trying this for? You know, yeah,

Josh Bolton: 4:45

I made $1,000 in one month. What are you doing? Who says why?

matt G: 4:48

Yeah, exactly. Right. And whereas these people are the opposite. They're like, Nah, you you're gonna be making 20 grand a month, but I'm like, Yeah, okay, that'd be I'm not gonna say no, I did. We'll see. But you know, and then eventually just kind Take a you know your energy goes that way when you're It's who you associate with right there's definitely there's so much books and stuff things of that nature it's your you're the product of your environment and the five people the five closest people you spend your time with and all that stuff I firmly believe in that for sure. So it's a it's a lot of that it's just keeping that nice that momentum right is key and just that the that good energy of just like you know it's it's no failures it's it's you're learning you're learning it's there's a learning curve to be fine with it start messy all that kind of like you know that like encouraging it taking reframing what would normally be fear or kind of hesitation and just don't just fucking do it. Have fun with it right and just just get out there and do it. So it's it's been great.

Josh Bolton: 5:45

Oh 100% But the same approach I have with this show. It's just beginning it's like just do it you're gonna look like an idiot and like the first 30 episodes, most likely no one's gonna listen to it so it's okay

matt G: 5:55

sure exactly right. I do I mean good for you for like taking a step past 30 I did it for like years just interviewing my friends and you know what I mean? Just kind of getting comfortable with it. You know, I always used to, I should say always but I had issues with like public speaking and everything so even behind you know, when nobody could see me I still kind of stutter on my words and go damn it well, I can I talk about you know me. And so you know, it's it took a few years to kind of just normalize everything so I mean, if you did in 30 episodes good for you. It took I took me years to finally dedicate I can start interviewing people that I don't know.

Josh Bolton: 6:36

For me, it's a weird thing. I've never been scared of public speaking or public events kind of thing. The thing I'm scared about is actually talking to someone one on one.

matt G: 6:45

Oh, interest. Really? That's like, usually the opposite with people.

Josh Bolton: 6:50

Well, because I'm worried I'm gonna like mess up stumble and stammer and look like a fool. Oh, but now as I've been doing this, you realize I'm like, Oh, wait, that's just like anxiety. kind of overwhelming me?

matt G: 7:01

Totally. Totally. I like I still liked our interview that we did like you're so much fun it was it hasn't come out yet. That's why I haven't yet given you the links it's it's one of my ones that I you know, I got a backlog game backlog Exactly. So you don't Don't worry, I will get you the links as soon as it comes out. But perfect. It was dude it was I thought it was great. I just loved your your honesty and your your story. And you know, and just super cool, dude, I loved how friggin transparent you were about everything. Because that's what really resonates with people, right? When you just, hey, like I had, this is what I dealt with, you know, my upbringing and just bullying all the anxiety, right? Very common stories. And yet the way that you presented was so just like, it was like very much that was my past. Right? Like, maybe I carry it to a degree with me, but like, I very much have moved past this and look, you know, kind of look at me what I'm doing now. So super cool.

Josh Bolton: 7:57

And it's one of those I tell people now it's like podcasting is one of those martial arts saved me back then. But podcasting has fixed any residual damage, realizing, talking to just, I think he's like 170. Now I've talked to people that is like, was the same story, a lot of us just get a really shitty hand. We learned to deal with it. And usually that shitty hand varies and what it looks like, but in the end, if you take it for what is a learning lesson instead of a penalty, you you actually were given a blessing in disguise.

matt G: 8:29

Hell, yeah. I didn't know I did. That's a it's easy to to not see it that way at the beginning. But I'd say I'd even say 10 times out of 10 you'll look back and go you know what, there was a reason for that there was a lesson to be learned. Right? And, you know, sometimes it takes few months, sometimes it's like years later, you look back and go Yeah, no, no, I I understand what that was now, which is Yeah, super cool.

Josh Bolton: 8:52

So I'm curious for you, because actually, one of those things, I don't really talk about it because I mean, it was just during high school. years down sound therapy guy. So how much does music affect you?

matt G: 9:02

Oh, big time. Yeah, for sure. I would love to talk about that. Music was like my, so for you with martial arts was for me for music. Okay. That was my parents, you know, divorced when I was 13. So right going into high school. Same thing, like I had some bullying because I was a smaller kid. And I was just very stunned because like, I had a sheltered upbringing up to that point. And then when my parents divorced, I was just like, Oh, it's just like and then I'm starting high school and you know, there's all the you know, navigating that so high school there was no middle school where I was from it was great eight to 12 So um, the small kid kind of stunned look on my face I'm shy to begin with and now I'm kind of like got a long face too because I'm sad. And I was this prime target like bullies are just like what the hell is this guy steel right? And he's small and he's got he's kind of got a frown on his face. He's not talking anybody let's you know let's let's do a number on him. So that's how it was the first couple of years I school is that right? And then My mom bought me a acoustic guitar, I was into sports up to that point. But um, my emotions would always very much get a hold of me I had a hard time, I do very good in practice when it was kind of a harmonious, you know, practice kind of, you know, less pressure, right, the less pressure of competition. And then as soon as you turn up the pressure of competition with trash talking, and all that stuff, I just, that wasn't my vibe, I always like to be the harmonious person. So that's why music works so well for me, because there's still generally you get the odd deck that tries to outplay you, even though you're like in a band with them. Jen, you know, 98% of the time, it's the idea is to be harmonious and work together and have a conversation, right? So since I got into music that was like my outlet for processing what was happening externally to me, as well as, you know, what was going on inside of me and being able to articulate it is in a safer atmosphere, because like, you can be very vague and abstract with the way that you're presenting yourself musically, that you can't when somebody is asking, Hey, like, how are you feeling right now? And you don't feel like I'm depressed? I feel like shit when you're like, 15 you don't want to say that, right? Or if you do, it's like, you know, then people will try and give you advice, the unsolicited advice or, or worse yet, go I just, it's, you know, this happens. This is life. Just this just get over it. Right? Like, well, no, it's like, I'm 13. Like, don't tell me to get over it. You know, so it'd be, you know, that was yeah, its similarities. As far as the parallels like with you with martial arts, being able, you're able to then channel anxiety and process things in a different way and start getting confidence in such that was like, for me, was for music for sure. So it's it's been a huge way of me communicating with my world and my experience. It's been very important to me for sure.

Josh Bolton: 11:50

100% Like you said, yeah, when they recruited me. I just had so much anger, I just put it in the bag. But then as I'm learning, I realized I had anxiety. The reason I brought up musical play that in a second is like high school was brutal. It was angry. So I knew even though I got bullied, I could channel that anger into a bag and not get in trouble at school. But I realized now as an adult, looking back I only made it worse because I would listen to extremely aggressive like slip knots Slayer. Yep. Metallica disturbed like religiously. It was funny one time at Spotify. When they were starting to do that whole year and a recap kind of thing. Yeah, I was one of the first and they actually I still I took a screenshot I still have it saying you are one of the top 7% listeners of Slipknot. You have be all other fans and you are the top 7% And I sat there and I'm like, but I've never gone to a band and bought birch. I've never done this and my hardcore fan kind of thing.

matt G: 12:52

Right? That's so funny. Top 7% That's a lot of Slipknot. Yeah, it

Josh Bolton: 12:56

was practically going nonstop all day.

matt G: 12:58

Is that right? So you know, funny you mentioned that's a good topic to to mention too. Because like for now, for example, now that I've done a lot of like inner work. And I've done like a lot of like Lang specifically like language, how I'm talking to myself inner dialogue, a lot of my coaching is based on the language, we use inner dialogue, and then from there, how we're interacting with the people in our lives or relationships. So that definitely is, you know, a product of your environment where you're exposing yourself to the books, the movies. So growing up, you know, as an angry teenager, and you know, and a even angry 20 year old 20 to 30 year old I watched a lot of action movies, you know, Gore was like desensitized to it, the video games I played and the music, same thing I listen tons of Rage Against the Machine. And I understand I understand there's like a, you know, cathartic sort of, it's kind of like, okay, example uses people listen to blues music. And it's like empathetic, it's like normally blues music, you'd expect it to be kind of depressed, right? Because it's the nature it's called blues, right? But in fact, it's the opposite. It's uplifting because you have this empathetic exchange or experience that somebody's feeling something that you're also feeling. So you have this connection, and it's actually uplifting and there's a connection. So that's how I felt with like the rage, right? Rage Against the Machine. I'm like, Yeah, exactly. If you thought well, I'm not gonna do what you tell me right? When you're a rebellious teenager that resonates with you. But fast forward to you know, my state of mind. Now my preferred state of mind anyways, and I'd much prefer to be you know, calmer. I saw these these movies that certain things don't age well. And I'll go back to like, when I grew up, it was the 90s music. So if you think of Seattle, 90s grunge very dark music. I'll see depressing, right, based on classic rock, a lot of great things carried forward in time as far as the subject matter itself was being sung about drugs like heavy like heroin drugs, like you know that you know, really bad, like life changing life ending drugs. There's a huge amount of that in the Seattle scene, which looking back is, you know, not not my bag anymore, man. It was like, you know, the Kurt Cobain and I love and fantastically gifted songwriter and I love Nirvana, but very dark stuff. Pearl Jam, at least, grew out of that. Pearl Jam is kind of like, in my opinion, the Rolling Stones of my generation, this band that's being together and creating content for like, 4040 years. 30 years. Yep, 30 years, I'm aging myself 30 years. And, you know, so that is what I like to see. Because every other band, there was like a death. You know, even years later, Chris Cornell hanging himself, like there's so much like curse stuff coming out of that music scene and I, I can't relate to it as much anymore. I intentionally don't relate to it. I don't relate to the darkness. I understand it, and it's still there. But I'm very much trying to get out of that I don't like you know, I used to like Batman I love that like self destructive dark nature of Batman over Spider Man or Superman to whimsical for me, I liked I liked that darkness. And that goes a lot into like the heavy drinker for you know, the majority of my adult life. So I, you know, relate, that's a depressive, right? So I'm putting myself in that lower, darker lower vibrational state. So as far as with music now, a lot of like, you know, I'm whatever it might sound. However people want to say, but it's like the New Age. Instrumental like, I love classical music, I love the combination of just piano by itself with like rainfall or, because there's like that genetic memory attached to like, does nature nature sounds, that's why people love that. It's why people, it helps people get to sleep, right? Ocean sounds, rainfall, stuff of that nature, mixed with just nice. You know, like those Healing frequencies you hear about, like the suffrage do frequencies, like, you know, there's like energy centers, the chakras in your body, you got seven of those, and each of those chakra centers has like a frequency that is just vibrationally just resonates with that energy source. So getting into that. And yeah, that really helps me with with studying with reading, just feeling better about myself. I imagination, I love just thinking about stuff, which is, I guess, essentially meditation at the end of the day. So things like that. That's more so what I'm listening to, I mean, I'll still go back and listen to some of the old classics. Because music has such a nostalgic connection, right? It is one of the most powerful things that I can listen to like California Keishon by Red Hot Chili Peppers, and it brings you back to my graduation year, it brings me back to my first car that I had, right the cassette that I had of California Keishon it's like one of my Top Albums of All Time, it brings me back to these times with fond memories, right? So that music has that power as well that I just, I love it just being a musician again, it's just I can't speak to how well that has helped me develop into the person I am and continues it's like a personal journal or personal area that I can go and, and it brings out yeah, it just brings out a different side of me that taps into something very deep inside of me that that nothing else can. So yeah, very important.

Josh Bolton: 18:15

You know, like for me, it was funny I went to my buddies yet yesterday, I believe. And hopefully we did I do think yesterday but we were hanging out and I just like me personally I've like cut myself off from most music because I realized if I listen it becomes almost like an addiction to keep listening and then all and then it gets darker and darker till I slipped back to the Slayer and slipped dye it nothing nothing wrong with it. But it's like I don't want to be in a negative frequency. And sometimes if I have a hard like editing session, I'll just throw on some some of that music because it's like really triggers like a focus mindset. But it's like a really negative war mindset. So I tried to I just have literally detox from like music essentially. But um, I also have been so busy I don't have time for video games. So I was playing with my buddy and I said you know what this it looks like there's a nerd COVID strain going around. That's that's pretty intense. The BA whatever to and LA County being how we are in here in California and they're like, ooh, we might we just get took mask away. But we might have to put it back and go back to our old lockdown rules. And uncertain I told him like I'm gonna what I'm not podcasting. I'm gonna go do some video games because it looks like he's gonna go away soon.

matt G: 19:32

Right? Exactly. No, that's the thing right? It's uh, yeah, it's totally what's going on in the world and picking your spots I like I like he said that detox in detoxing from music. I kind of have to do that with podcast and then like audio books because I found that I would just be doing so much you know, I guess attempted at learning like, learning Okay, so I would be learning but I wouldn't give myself enough space to to then integrate it. So at that point It's like, it's this information that's scattering my focus and scattering my mind. So I was like, You know what I got to like, pick the some of these wonderful books that I'm reading or these podcasts that are inspiring me. But then give it enough space to then integrate what I've learned. Otherwise, it's just bad. It's, it's like you kind of spin your tires, and it gets you into this, like holding pattern of, you know, almost too much information, and then you're not applying it. And it's like another form of procrastination almost right?

Josh Bolton: 20:30

It's like analysis paralysis. It's the thing for tolerating over analyzing and you're paralyzed completely. Like this one guest I was interviewing two days ago. Yes, because it was Wednesday. I don't usually do Wednesdays. And he's saying he read four to five books. At any given time, every week. I told him I dude, I would have fried a long time ago, because I'm trying to remember this one story than this one's teaching this one here. I'm like, props for you. I'm like, I haven't read a good book in like two weeks, but I've just been really busy. I should actually. But that's, that's my excuse. Like, I said, Hey, prop for you for doing four and like, reading four books within the given week, and like, I couldn't see 10 That's yeah,

matt G: 21:14

that's, that is intense. And then how much of that do you actually, I mean, I think of a guy like my brother and he's, he's got the like, the photographic memory or whatever, right? Your hears or reads at once. And he retains, it's like a vault in his head. And I, I'm not like, I need repetition, right, I need the repetition of the message to or reminders, repetition and reminders of big for me. So that's why I journal a lot. Because they say, you know, it's you retain, I think, 20 or 30% of what you hear, but then you retain 50% If you write it down, and then 80% If you teach. So that's kind of why I got into coaching as well as selfish reasons. Because then it's like, accountability for myself. And then, because I'm teaching it, essentially, it really sharpens and hones my application of everything that I've learned. That's important to me now as well. So that's kind of a selfish purpose for what I'm doing as well.

Josh Bolton: 22:04

I think a lot of coaches, or mentors or whatever you want to call them. That's mostly what it is, is like, I want to remember it. And I know something good. And it's nice that I'm making extra money, but it's like, it's more just to help me out. So helping out helps them out.

matt G: 22:21

Totally. And it's just like a win win. Like that's Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I could see that being a big thing in like the martial arts community, right? Like, it's Oh, yeah. As soon as you get to a certain stage, then like, you're the guy that's teaching it, but it's helping you at the same time. And it's just like this. That's what keeps the the whole the whole train going, right.

Josh Bolton: 22:39

Pretty much actually, I'm at that point. I was joking with my instructor on Wednesday. I said, you know, I said, I might have to, like, selfishly, even if I'm not getting paid a lot take on a couple of students a day. Yeah, just just to remember the basic so I can because we're going over really, I'm trying to go for third degree black belt in my system now. Night, which for civilian, it's like the last. It's actually the hardest for a civilian non teacher to do crazy. And that's where he told me he's like, if you're teaching you remember this, and like, Yeah, but gas is really expensive right now. And I got to go like 20 miles one way.

matt G: 23:12

Yeah. See, yeah, that's a good idea. Actually, that's great. And that's cool. Because you're at, like, the pinnacle on one sense of your personal journey with this. And then you're also like, you know, looking to rewind the like, you're kind of doing that simultaneously with like, going back in time, essentially, going back to the basics, and kind of taking that on at the same time is really an idea. Really cool.

Josh Bolton: 23:34

That's that's for me, because when I got out of high school, it was one of those I tried take it on all jobs didn't work. And that's where my instructor being the quick Middle Eastern salesman, he's like, Hey, you're not working. You live parents. You don't have that much money. Come work with me. I teach you stuff. I love it. Yeah. As I was with there was training. I was teaching for like two years and and that's one of those I learned so much. So quickly. In that like two years, that would have taken me another seven on top of my seven currently. So it's like, there is something to it, especially like we were saying you'd like if you teach it solidifies, then you can figure out a process to automate it and move to the next one. Oh, completely.

matt G: 24:18

Yeah, it's super important. I, I love that. It's exactly what my main mentor Mark England said. And it really resonated with me. It's like and that's, it's all about, like, why I write things down because people like if I'll be on a call with somebody, I'm writing it down. They're like, oh, like, you don't have to like write this down. Or like, if you're recording this, I'm like, no, like, this is kind of part of my process. Like when I put pen to paper. It just is different. It's it's different in my brain, and you know what I mean? You can just go it's even better than typing like just the Pevensey

Josh Bolton: 24:45

typing on my phone. If I if I need to remember something to do. Yeah, I'll type it on my new pad. But sure, it doesn't it doesn't stick.

matt G: 24:52

Come Yeah, completely. Not for sure. So, yeah, so no, it's interesting, interesting, dynamic, but yeah, it's uh, it's been great man. It's a You know, I just saw I was doing a job I have for 23 years it was since I was 16 years old and I just quit that the end of January.

Josh Bolton: 25:09

Are you making enough to quit the rat race?

matt G: 25:12

I know not yet. Okay. But I do i Yeah, but I have a I had enough saved. So basically what I did is I pivoted off the like, so I got my pension So 23 years pension pretty, you know, a pretty spicy meatball there. And so a decent chunk of it, I was able to get in those just in cash, right? So I I'm using that cash to, and my wife is incredibly supportive and just just so awesome that she's a plus, I reduce my monthly bills, to just a fraction, it's crazy when you when you really dial in your money. It's like anything else, like when you dial in your nutrition, whatever it may be, when you really constantly look at it, and just audit it and Dude, I got it down to like, like a fraction of what it once was. And granted, I paid off my vehicle and this and that and we refinance the house and such kind of did the usual like entrepreneur, if you're gonna, you know, bet on yourself, you got to make sure that you're set up for success. So we definitely did that I got my bills to like, I mean, I guess whatever. Yeah, whatever I'll say, like, in around eight or $900 a month, from from back when at the height of like, chronic pain off the hot tub, you know, living on, we got to the stage on a sailboat six years ago, where we're just like, you know, we decided we weren't gonna have kids. And we're both making good money. So let's kind of do some flexing right, like so we bought the hot tub and a camper van like one of the Westfalia pop top camper, vans, things that we always wanted when we're growing up, and we want as a relationship, so we got it. And it was kind of like that Jim Carrey thing, he has a really good quote about, like, I hope everybody gets everything that they want, like, externally, to realize that that's not what you need. That's not what's going to satisfy you. And so that was kind of the case. So we ended up you know, paying off all the stuff and I realized that really felt limited and sort of handcuffed by my job and and that was kind of going hand in hand with the lack of fulfillment. I was getting for my job and then realizing that I sort of almost trapped myself in a way, like golden handcuffs, the golden handcuffs. Exactly. I was gonna call it the golden handshake. Same thing, right? That Exactly. So that's kind of what it was. And you know, and it's, you know, I'm getting to that, like, I just turned 40 last summer. And, you know, I'm going to the stage, I'm like, I'm looking. I was, you know, I guess people say, my midlife crisis for me, it was more like it, you know, the existential, you know, what, what am I doing? Like, why am I here? I then, you know, okay, my values, these values that I like, what are my values and principles, I never really thought about it, because it was always, like we talked about earlier in this conversation, like, learned behavior, or these like my parents values, I've just never really, you know what I mean? So, there was a lot of that going on. So, you know, I took six months off work, just under the guise that I just needed to mentally and physically just kind of unplug, unwind, you know, figure out was answer some of these questions. And I remember morning, one that I woke up, I there was a voice in my head saying that you're not going to go back to that. I was like, Oh, that seems kind of strange wherever that comes from. And you know, within a couple days, I'm out there in the forest just like clearing my head walking around in nature and I have this like, massive like stream of ideas, this huge outburst of creativity. And I have my phone with me so I'm just kind of like given the voice to text meme Okay, and then bah, bah bah. And just like it was crazy, it was just like sitting there waiting to come out to me. And you know, one thing led to another and I had a great six months I didn't get to the stage where I was even close to being able to you know, I didn't even quite know yet I had it was still a feeling but I you know, I'd gotten into coaching but I hadn't gone through a certification yet so it was just like right on the edge I guess and I so I chose to go back I wasn't quite at the stage where I could pull the plug and I went back for another four months and in those four months I had this overlap of getting my certifications starting up the coaching the one on one coaching with the with folks and getting a feel for it. Is this something I want to do decide that I really loved it continued on with that. So by January I had my my second level two certification within lifted which is the whole like language arts and everything with Mark England, and it's just phenomenal. I highly recommend anybody check it out. He has a great TED talk. Yeah, Mark England, look it up. And yeah, his the power that he has a presentation he has been in education. He was a like, I believe a high school teacher for a lot a lot of years. And also martial artists. He blew his knee out at age 23 and just slipped into like the whole victim mentality. What am I going to do with my life now? You know, all this other stuff. And what led him out of this was the language that the inner dialogue, how you speak to yourself and then he was so passionate about that. That's what he's been doing the last 15 years so he has the presentation down and just the way he talks and everything I remember at the very end of the call, he showed this video that was like a metaphor for what he expects or wants us to do. And it was like the, the Sasquatch festival, that music festivals, it's like this, this person with a cell phone up and he's filming this, like, you know, one of these crazy dancer people. And you can tell initially, they're like, they're filming to be like, Look at this idiot, right? And then about, you know, a minute into the song, a couple other people go over there, and they're dancing. And then by the end of this video, the end of the song, there's literally like, the ground is shaking while this person is holding the camera, because there's hundreds of people going over there and then just doing the crazy dancing. And then it cuts back to Mark and Mark does the, you know, the whole like i By the power vested in me, you guys go forth. And basically the metaphor being like, hold the rhythm like you're the centerpiece of your community, go go do this. And I was like, god dammit, I started tearing up. I'm like this. I'm quitting my job tomorrow. This, this is what I'm doing the rest of my life. Because it just resonated with me. You got me, so effin amped up. I didn't quite quit the next day, I had the letter in my back pocket. But I was like, You know what, I should probably sleep on this couple of days and give him three days. Yeah, right. And, you know, figure out what I'm doing. Like, because my house is going to be up for refinancing, I should get ahead of that and figure out some finances, and yada, yada. So, you know, that's kind of what led me to this now. But yeah, to answer your question, no, I'm not at the stage where I could pay it off. But, you know, I firmly believe I love the the one Wayne Dyer quote, I think he actually took it from somebody else. But he used it a lot. He said, It's, and I'll butcher it, because I'm not nearly as articulate. And again, my memory is a little bit shot. It's somebody online today, if you if you move confidently in the direction of your dreams with the assumption of, or basically a faith, the faith based assumption, you know, the miracles will happen essentially, right. So it's, I've put the work in, and it's kind of like putting the work in having some faith, and just just don't give up and just keep going with it. So I'm willing to do whatever it takes to get to the stage that I need to get to. And that includes if I have to go work part time at Costco or something like that, like, I'll do it, it's fine. The main thing is, I got out of what you said that golden handcuffs, which was Dude, it was huge. For me, that's 23 years of my life, that was my entire I literally grew up in the company, literally, and they paid my bills for everything. So I felt this, like, you know, loyalty. And I felt this, like, it's scary. It's like, this is what I know, this is my identity is tied up in what I've been doing. You know, and there's like a whole, like, if you do get into like, what we're talking about the inner critic, it's like, well, who like who are you to walk away from this? Like, why are you quote unquote, better than all these people? And it's not about that, of course, right? But there's times in that in your head that you say this to yourself. And, you know, when things don't go there's a honeymoon phase. So I just got through the honeymoon phase. Now like reality's kicking in, I didn't get as much money as I thought I was going to as far as my savings and all that. So I'm like, Oh, shit. So how's this gonna go? And that's it, man. It's like it, stuff happens. But it's also like we talked about stuff happens for a reason. There's lessons and everything. It's how you frame it as how you react to it. It's how you use what you're given, and move forward with it. So I you know, and it's good man, I think I am I like being forthcoming with my problems and issues. Because that's what resonates with people. I It's funny, my mom even mentioned like the first you know, the first postings and my first like, attempt at putting my cell phone there's a product right has been that last month, my mom's sister and she is true. But it's funny, because my mom doesn't usually unless I ask her. She won't usually say anything. And it's like hon 90 98%. No, I was actually shocked. It's usually 100% supportive. She's like, you know what, you keep doing it. I'm proud of you. But this is the first time she unsolicited she said to me, I don't think what you're doing is quite resonating yet. It's sort of you're sort of unclear with your message. I was like, shit, and that was kind of thinking was sorry, excuse my language. I was kind of I was I was kind of thinking about it. I was like, Okay, no, fair enough. That makes sense, right? Because I'm still trying things on. It's like trying on a different, whatever, trying on different shirts trying on different hats. And it is a Yeah, I have to reinvent myself at this point. And I have the time and space to do it. And what I'm doing is I'm putting out sort of a collage of my experiences and what I'm doing right now. But to mom's point, she said, you know, you're not showing the painful side of entrepreneurship, which is what's gonna resonate with people. And at that point, I hadn't really had that because I was still on cloud nine. And like, everything was cool. And this is exciting, right? So that's what I was sharing. And so now I'm kind of at the stage where Yeah, there's definitely I'm starting to hit some resistance, right? And so I'm gonna start sharing that as a, I'm getting a dialed in as far as Okay, who am I trying to resonate with because you can't be everything to everybody, right? There's so much niche and nuanced and genre His sub genres in everything now. So that's what I'm getting dialed in with. That's what we're in with the business program I'm in right now is that ideal client? And you know what that looks like. So it's all about, you know, getting that clarity to be able to move forward. So that's kind of, that's where I'm at right now.

Josh Bolton: 35:17

Dude, that's awesome. Yeah, I had a very similar experience to I was October 2020. That's when it was like a heated lockdown for COVID. Me and my dad just went camping in a beach in Northern California. And it was Northern California. So we got some weight, and we were smoking away for the whole week. And pretty much one of the days, I just sat there and could have been a multiple things going on. I mean, there was that whole thing was just a shit show where we pretty much only ate salt and pork and beans. So like my ankle, I swole, up to like Osijek through from sodium. Yeah. Before that, it kicked in that I was sitting there. And this like a friend, the BH took a couple hits and just sitting. And the same thing, same voice, clear as day. It's not me, but it's not from the external world, at least, that I could perceive premises, do what you love, the money will come. And you will eventually be free. But you have to have faith in it. And I'm very skeptic in faith. But I know in like, it was just one of those. So I wrote it down. I think I actually still have the notes. I think it's a little been there. So

Unknown: 36:31

we're just like,

Josh Bolton: 36:34

like writing up the down and sideways. But it was just one of those. I was like, oh, that's where I was before I got COVID. And when I got COVID in December, it was kind of like the same voice hidden. It's like, see what I mean. Do what you love don't do work for others. And that's what made me want to start the podcast after I've recovered. Yeah, but um, yeah, now it's, I'm actually looking up to do a YouTube series. Well, YouTube in general. And we'll say, are you looking into YouTube?

matt G: 37:08

Yeah, you know what? We just, we just started so it's a, I have a few collaborators that I do with us, Megan McLaren, she just started a life coaching practice as well. So she has been like a clinical like a counselor, social worker for years for about 10 years. But she's, she was interested in doing the the life coaching just so she can again just work for herself and, you know, do her own hours and such. So I've been doing a we did three weeks of a daily show. Like we did five five shows. FIVE SHOWS ready? Yeah, basically Monday. It was a five a day. Geez. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah, exactly five a week. Pardon me. And yeah, it was cool. Do so we basically we do it live. So we do this, this app called restream, where you can go to Facebook Live, YouTube Live, LinkedIn, live and Twitter live all the same time. And then of course, as you know, with Zoom, you do it through zoom to restream to all these platforms. And then as you know, through zoom, you get your audio so we put the audio up as a podcast, and boom, all of a sudden, you got like five things right off the bat that you so and yeah, every day has like a different three theme. So it's like mind shift Monday, Toastmaster Tuesday, which is kind of like the total rip off at Toastmasters. Um, you know, what, if Wednesday, were you what if the good stuff instead of the what if? What if I have a bad day today or what if the roads are bad, I get an accident, which we the brain tends to do so kind of opposite of that. Third, act Thursday and reframe Friday. So clearing all the stuff that's happened to you throughout the week, and reframing it before you go into the weekend. And then on the weekend as some optional shows of like, basically based on music, like sound bath Sunday and, and sound therapy Saturday and just kind of play some tracks and have in the background or whatever for people. So yeah, we did that for about three weeks. This week, we kind of got off off track with it a little bit. Just kind of I wanted to like sit back now that we've done three weeks worth of content, because we definitely found the again, when we're talking about like honeymoon phases, it's kind of like everybody's super interested in it. And then it kind of unfortunately has the and I've seen it so so much in bands that I play in. There's initial excitement, everybody's like, Oh, cool, what's not doing now? And then after you know, a couple weeks of it, they're like, oh, okay, well, I can see this anytime and then you know, it dwindles so now I like pulled back from it and now people are like hey, like I I liked your posts like wherever they got you know, so it's it's kind of figuring out where it lays down and at the end of the day, it was like about getting a good foundation so we got 15 episodes. We've got the YouTube channel up it's like it's Matt gardener live so I say it's live is in because then now it's it spreads out to like you could do live music, which we do my bands played on their live coaching, live language games, you know, just live and I like the I saw I did live in all capitals. So live is like an acronym for live in vibrational excellence or live in vibrational enthusiasm Um, so it's kind of got like a, you know, a hidden meaning now as well. So yeah, we've been just doing it. Yeah, like I say about three weeks now, and we're just starting to look into we're gonna do our first evening special because usually what we do is we do them in the morning. So it's kind of like a morning show. And what we're doing is so good to start branching out with it. And doing like, like, I think the first one we're gonna use like a Wednesday evening, so we're going to do this what if Wednesday, but we're gonna invite 10 or 12 people to the Zoom call, you know, and put them in I don't if you see them with a zoom, they have that like podium, sitting CDN, or whatever. So we kind of find, like, have them in this like a podium style or stadium CD, and it looks like the little heads are in this stadium or whatever. It's kind of fun. So yeah, and then just do some like live coaching and just start interacting with some of the folks that have liked or commented on the videos, bringing them into it. And then you know what I mean, from there, it's just like word word gets out. So to me that's a much more comprehensive and interactive way than just doing the the usual social media. And it's fun. I don't know, I love doing like live stuff. I you know, being in a band all my life, there's some kind of adrenaline that I like, that I'm familiar with. As far as like, just, you know, there's no, there's no safety net, right? It live can it can go sideways pretty quick. And it has a couple times before as we're learning that you know how to use all this stuff. Because it's like, I tried to do too much honestly, at first. I'm sure you can relate to this. It's like yeah, I was sorry, trying to pump in music during breaks and like, sound effects and stuff on Episode One. And it was just like, No, let's do one thing at a time.

Josh Bolton: 41:33

That was that was totally me. So when I first started highly edited transitions, this and that. Yeah. And it was like, cuz the guest was like, Oh, I I didn't like how that sounded. Can you cut it out kind of thing. And it's like, well, it's gonna sound a little funny. I don't know where I could chop it to make it sound seamless. Now, Mike, unless you have an NDA Pro. I'm not chopping it. It's like NDA. Sure I'll go back and chop it kind of thing. I don't want you to lose your job. But if that I don't even need a doctor's note. Back that's too hard.

matt G: 42:06

Oh, for sure. Yeah, I do. I was the same way with it being for podcasting editing it out all the blank spaces and it doesn't even sound natural. Like I love like, this is already feels fantastic. Right? And that's one of the benefits of like interviewing with a fellow podcasters. Like, is this you know, what? If you feel comfortable, there's like this mutual like, you know comfortability right, that comes with it. So, so which is super cool. But yeah, it's uh, I love it, man. I love just, uh, I think people can tell to right when somebody is super edit. It's like with music, I kind of I've always liked music a little more ragged, where it's like, we did a couple albums ago, we didn't even have a click track, we just recorded sort of like white stripes or a band like that, where there's, you know, there's gonna be tempo changes, because that adds some drama to it sometimes where you're, you speed up at the chorus, or, you know what I mean, it's this sort of natural, like, recording to the click, and having everything super perfect is is fairly recent, as far as like in music history, like it's just the past like 20 years where there's like Pro Tools and editing, like audio, digital editing, and I guess would have been like, the way that we can do it now. And everything's super perfect. And

Josh Bolton: 43:13

all that it's, um, it's almost unnaturally perfect.

matt G: 43:17

It is 100% on naturally perfect for sure. So I've always liked to have a little bit of a, you know, a little bit of a human touch. In fact, one of my my bands growing up, we called ourselves Vox Humana, which is Latin for the human voice. So and that was very much like our sort of our mission statement was just to be kind of like a garage rock band almost where there's like, some Lo Fi elements where like, you know, sometimes there might be a little bit out to string and you know, the vocals aren't 100% in pitch, I wouldn't use pitch correction. And you know, just is what it is it comes across that way. And so that was kind of our style. Right? And, you know, I still dig it. I like that. I like that kind of, you know, a presentation in music and art in general. Oh, 100%

Josh Bolton: 43:58

Yeah, like, for me in general. Listening to as much music I said to hit back then I could. It's one of those it was sad to say if someone would play me a song now, I could tell you what, that they were autotuner not toast, right. And it's one of those someone who's like, oh, this person never goes out of tune. They say they never do. And they played it to me. And I said they do. Yeah, I know. Well, you don't know. I said. I said do whatever like Google search and you'll find out and then they're like, oh shit, and they were lying. I'm like, Well, yeah, cuz autotune even though it makes you sound really good if even if you have a horse of a horse. Horse of a boy. Yeah, yeah. It makes you sound like a frickin Angel. Yeah, yeah. And if the person's like I don't understand them like it's just how the music industry is now.

matt G: 44:45

It is Yeah, as soon as that becomes a standard it's like that's what's expected standards and expectations right which are both dangerous things they can be I mean, it's the people can argue for their standards and all that but and expectations but those can be dangerous like just in life in general, right, that's where you can get resentments. And that's where you can get, you know, frustrated with life is because you have these like arbitrary standards or the standards that you believe are or expectations from these types of things right at all. Well, I guess I have to use autotune even though that doesn't resonate with you in your heart, but it's not something that you think that you need to bring to the table or it's like goes against some kind of value of if you're, you don't view that it being as genuine but there's like an expectation you still have to do it, right. It's like, yeah, it's yeah, it's a tricky thing. tricky thing.

Josh Bolton: 45:33

Um, see you also as a musician would notice what the the millennial Looper whoop, you know what that is?

matt G: 45:40

No, I'm not sure what that Oh,

Josh Bolton: 45:42

okay. So it's, like an every this one music editor decided to listen to like, a couple 1000 songs and big ones. I guess it's, um, it's like, high extra high drop low, medium, low, low, high. It's just one of those. It's like a loop or a like, a low.

matt G: 46:03

Okay.

Josh Bolton: 46:04

But he said, for some reason, the primitive mind, do we find comfort in it?

matt G: 46:10

And is that sorry, is that like the the melody does that it goes like that high, high, low, low, or like

Josh Bolton: 46:15

that? Yeah. High, High. High, like mid then repeats itself. And it's just one of those. He said, The sad part, though, is because all musicians have caught on that as a comforting sequence, that it's actually now overused and people

matt G: 46:30

don't wait. Yeah, then now it's like, exactly. We've adjusted to it. We're like, Yeah, interesting. I'll look that up. I have not heard of that. Mind you, I gotta be honest, I've kind of turned into how my dad was I never related to my dad and I was about the same age is what he would have been, because he always introduced me to like his record collection. And a sapling and Hendrix and the doors and Yadi are great stuff. But he was always like, after a certain year, he was like, that's where music ended for him. Like, he did not listen to any new music. And I'm kind of find the same way. But also based on kind of what we talked about the beginning of the conversation, where I'm not really into, you know, rock music or pop music, I'm more into like the, you know, meditation, in yoga, music and new age and instrumental and classical, right, that's kind of what my tastes are now. But even if I was still into, you know, music as we know, it was pop music and such. I don't know, I guess I, I still think I'd be kind of like my dad, I have this like, cut off where it's just like, you know, after whatever, you know, early 2000s, I stopped listening to music somewhere along the line, I've, I've kind of lost my way with, you know, what's viewed as a new, a good new act, I'd have a hard time, you could probably list 1010 New acts, and I would know maybe one or two of them, or maybe heard of them, but have no idea what they did. So I definitely turned into my dad in that sense.

Josh Bolton: 47:54

Obviously seen for me, but like, I've never been a fan of hip hop or pop or rap, for sure. And just it's sad to say, I haven't really noticed any new rock bands or thorns, or like good rock bands, where there could be one that's just formed as we're speaking yet, but I haven't noticed any good rock bands or what was the other one I would listen to? Um, there's something else but yeah, like, it only seems like it's hip hop, rap. And, and within only the hip hop and rap. It's only about gay making money. Fucking them bitches getting their bodies kind of thing. Yes, I guess. Yeah, great. But how does you getting rich and having gorgeous women at your whim? Help me get to your point can think yeah, it just seems like I'm paying you to brag to me. Right? Doesn't seem cool. At least in my perspective,

matt G: 48:47

for sure. And I guess I'd like I guess, for the people do like it and I'm just trying to understand it just like maybe there's like a, they live vicariously, and that's what they want. So that's how it appeals to them. But yeah, I you know, I've gotten into hip hop here and there. And I respect a lot of the, you know, the production and it's, it's I like, you know, it's so different from the music I generally listened to so I'll give it the time of day in that sense. But yeah, for sure. I mean, I think subject matters is especially now where it's just you know, like, again when I was early 20s I would get into like the Dr. Dre like the chronic albums and you know, some Tupac and you know, just for Eminem the crazy white guy. Eminem of course yeah, for sure. But again, very dark.

Josh Bolton: 49:30

Yeah, he's early songs were crazy. morbid.

matt G: 49:34

morbid. Yeah, it's insane. That's so the the 90s and the early 2000s. were mad I was like, Yeah, I was thinking about that because we got to talk about that on one of my podcasts is like, holy shit. Like, a lot of that stuff doesn't age well at all like the 90s was all about like offending people, right? And no, no, no, no. And now we're like the opposite where everybody's like rushing to be offended. Like they're looking to be offended. They almost want to be offended. Let's face it. Whereas like in the night He says like you couldn't be offensive enough like and that's on my mainstream TV like you know cable TV was like you know Jerry Springer jackass, you know Limp biskit All these like really crude you know things that just have not aged well at all

Josh Bolton: 50:15

the one though I don't care if he will or not we're Limp biskit Did his like bomb hit off a 40 foot tall bomb on the store? Yeah, yeah badges legendary even that is not that's not one of those. Yeah, like, oh, he can't do that. It's like let's see you do that.

matt G: 50:32

Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah, even like when biscuit was like inciting those riots at Woodstock and like burn Yeah, I don't know if this yeah, there's some stuff that just clearly would not be not be well received today, but that's how it goes man. Everything's in cycles that you know what's what's old is new. At some point. These things come back and oh, 80s is sort of come back a little bit.

Josh Bolton: 50:57

80s and 90s until it's come back. I'm like, that's one of those.

matt G: 51:01

stay dead. Yeah, exactly. I'm, I'm, again because I'm a child of the 90s I'm a bit of a sucker for the lumberjack look, being from Prince George. British Columbia. It's about 70,000 It's like a logger. legitimately like a blue collar logger. Milltown. Right. So that was that you know what I I'm still a bit of a sucker for that. I like to go camping as well. So, you know, nothing beats a good flannel jacket when you're camping. Right? So some of the grunge stuff I like but at stuff other than the fact that it's like nostalgic. Like I like the the neon colors like Fresh Prince of Bel Air and, you know, yeah, so some of that stuff is more nostalgia, but I wouldn't be caught dead actually wearing it. Right. So

Josh Bolton: 51:39

same. Yeah. Hey, I'm just curious. How long do I go to four? Oh, yeah.

matt G: 51:45

Yeah, sure. So about 10 to noon my time now. So yeah, like we got a good probably a good a good 20 minutes, depending how things go. Okay, if you need to shoo me away in 10 minutes. I can I can wrap things up then as well.

Josh Bolton: 52:03

We'll just keep going. It's just for me to know when to like start. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. As far as the 80s and 90s thing. Yeah. For the music though, like I went to Vans Warped Tour in 2013. A lot of the like, the bands is still indie. It was like an indie, grunge underground, cool kind of thing. And it was it was young, and it was dumb. Like hell yeah. And it was just one of those. I guess, as much as I tried to act angry and like, mean, I intrinsically knew I was kind and I couldn't like just stand by and watch people get hurt. Right. And I was like that. I want to be baned but I know I'm Batman.

matt G: 52:44

That's so funny. night it was just we had the wristband,

Josh Bolton: 52:47

I think it will call it chariot. I don't remember the actual name. But chariot essentially was like this hardcore death metal, this that and they essentially, I don't know if it's Houston, Canada, but there was the mosh pit. Oh, yeah. For Okay, cool. And I'm not speaking crazy. No, no. Yeah. But he kept calling for like, O ring of death. So you're running as fast as you can. And it doesn't matter who's in front of you keep going. These are Oh, St. Peter, like the wall. Clyde. And he's like seeing all these. The he said something is switched. On everyone started, like crazy stampeding in every direction. Well, this poor young girl who didn't it was only there because her boyfriend was there. Everyone stepping on her. So I eventually just like block everyone and just take the heat on my back. Oh, man, I helped her get out. And that's really the boyfriend comes over and she's yelling at me. And she she says, like, Where were you? Yeah. He risked his life to help me and you just ran off of your whatever. Yeah. And I just told her I'm like, I may be a single little simple that times but I'm not gonna watch someone get interesting getting run over kind of

matt G: 54:00

Ah, that's nice. Yeah, man. That's so funny. The the the boyfriend steps in and

Josh Bolton: 54:05

yeah, bro. You would do that, bro. Yeah, so she

matt G: 54:09

didn't get trampled. That's why we're Yeah, exactly. Where were you? That's so funny.

Josh Bolton: 54:13

But yeah, and that's one of those. I guess. Because like they were huge in the late 90s. Early 2000. Oh, yeah. Huge. Yeah. And that was like that bandha underground one. And so they were trying to bring me back even though like the concert venue specifically told them never to do that.

matt G: 54:29

Rarely. Because it's like why right?

Josh Bolton: 54:33

Yeah, it was just one of those some like he he likes it. That's cool. But like you almost just killed someone.

matt G: 54:39

Yeah, you know what I think? Yeah, I remember specifically at a Pearl Jam concert there was I don't know if it's a mosh pit but there's definitely like, you know, movement. We're not quite to the stage where people are you know, colliding and doing motion per se but definitely people forcing their way to the front and there was a few people that died in Italy I believe. So that's kind of when when things start turning right where it's it's just I didn't know like for me machine was like, I always remember my friends telling me about it. They'd be like that I'd never been to a concert until I was about 14 or 15. And my friends kept telling me about like, I was like, you know, they got to stage dive, and you know, they got to do the crowd surfing. And I was like, Oh, it sounds super cool. And then the first time I got to do it, I remember my brother was watching me from afar, and he's like, you look like your dad. Like was crowd surfing because I was so kind of banged up and again, smaller kid, right? So I was just getting fucking ragdolls. And yeah, crowd surfing. And he's like, look like they were just carrying a dead body. Over the I'm like, Yeah, you didn't look like you're having a good time at all. Like, yeah, you know what, in hindsight day, you know, you tell your friends. Yeah, that was awesome. But in the meantime, it's kind of like, Ah, this is. Yeah, I did. Like I was just getting banged up. I wasn't even enjoying the music. So I get it. Like, you know, this. People can kind of get that, you know, the frustration out or whatever. I understand it, but it was never my thing. That's for sure.

Josh Bolton: 56:01

100% Yeah, same for me. That's like my first actual, like, big concert I went to with my one martial arts buddy. And then, um, there's a whole story with him. I'm not going to get we would need an or I would just explain that one. But essentially, he took me and it was just one of those. He's with his girl. And they're doing something. And the funny part, realized they could just complete these stories, ladies reality for that day, or more. But still, it was at the warp tour, they would pay you $1 To watch a video. It was a vegan propaganda against me and all that. Oh, so it was like the slaughterhouses and the blood spraying everywhere. And my first comment was, because she was really petite but she would like look really good to say oh, you know, as long as you stand nearby, I'll watch this video. And so I watched it and I didn't and I think what boaters I didn't even flinch at all when all the murdering of the animals happened in blood spraying and this Nanda tried to cut me down and she's like, are you gonna cut me up permanently? Now my well? She said, I don't know if I can give up being pushy though.

matt G: 57:09

Oh, yes, you go. Oh, man, you're just going for a day. So

Josh Bolton: 57:15

I sat there looked at me I said I said I also do like steaks. So

matt G: 57:20

I pivot I like steaks pussy.

Josh Bolton: 57:25

Just like stood there had to be the dollar. Yeah, and then like this weird emo guy came over like long lanky had like no muscle mass, whatever. Yeah, what did he says you repeat it? And he really turned looked at me and he's like, Hey, can I give you another dollar for that?

matt G: 57:44

Oh, man. Oh, that's too funny, man. That is good. That is good. That's what happens in the shows. You know? It's so unusual that they would be showing the they just said I'm told me that logic

Josh Bolton: 57:57

and this is where it ties back in the music cycle. Oh, this is just angry. Testosterone driven he man place we figured Oh, this is appropriate. I'm like, No, this is what we've like. was a heavy metal guys like jokey dreamer ballers. Just like blood in the air. And it's like, oh my god.

matt G: 58:16

Totally. It's like the one spot that that would be. Yeah, that would actually fly over just fine. Yeah, exactly. That was just like watching a guar concert. You know, pretty much. Oh, man.

Josh Bolton: 58:28

I just told her I said just lately my you might want to have more reconsider

matt G: 58:32

your tactics. Yeah, go to like, Radiohead, or some other you know, where they're more than likely be either vegans already or people that are like on the cusp of being vegans. You know, try that. Try that. Right. But Nickelback, Nickelback, right? Yeah. Oh, man. Nickelback too funny.

Josh Bolton: 58:50

The other was just like then after that, as I'm walking because I lost him. He was like, hey, my buddy, uh, took me there. He's off making out with the girl somewhere. I don't know where and the funny part is, was the coach tent for the condoms. Yeah. Yeah. And it was one of those they were handing out condoms just relieve sex. Yeah, well, they had this whole booth inflatable booth where you could do it safely.

matt G: 59:18

No way. Wow. Interesting. I've never heard that before.

Josh Bolton: 59:23

And it was just one other time like this is genius. You get the

matt G: 59:27

yeah right. kid thinks it's like one of those like blow up you know I mean, castles runs in their traumatize for life.

Josh Bolton: 59:37

Is one of those I've just told him like, yeah, I don't have anyone I could test this out on. Oh my gosh. And jokingly the One girl said I'll help you on my you might have to clap. I'm good.

matt G: 59:47

Oh, you're, you're like a different person at these festivals. Oh,

Josh Bolton: 59:53

that was just me back then. I was just to the point never held back. Yeah. Again, he's like dude,

matt G: 1:00:01

yeah, yeah. Oh my goodness so blow yeah man this is quite the thing so you got these vegan slaughterhouse videos you got this like bale where you can get Trojan bringing condoms you get this go into this bang shelter like

Josh Bolton: 1:00:18

wow oh it was held I'm one of those that the three guys when things cool down I should go back to one just to see what how much it's changed

matt G: 1:00:26

yeah it would be interesting to see man thinks of like as we've talked about man things have changed a lot especially over the last 10 years that was 2013 It's almost been 10 years 10 years right and man think about especially last like five years honestly is like really the canceled culture and the you know it's really gone the other way like where instead of like trying to offend to be edgy is cool it's like the exact opposite where like you know everything we say is somehow a misconstrued or offended or you know what I mean? So it's like very very different.

Josh Bolton: 1:00:59

I'm just waiting for the the Twitter mobs to be like, Oh, Josh should not have said that to the vegan.

matt G: 1:01:06

Yeah, exactly. Yes, I

Josh Bolton: 1:01:07

made it all right. Yeah,

matt G: 1:01:09

exactly. Then that's like a huge blows up about who is this Josh guy sounds like a pretty funny guy. Yeah. So is that oh, sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, you go. I was just gonna say it's like I was listening to a video. I think last night it was like an interview with Brock Lesnar like the MMA or WWF guy. And so he lives in Saskatchewan up here in Canada, and he he like kills all he like he hunts right. So he kills all his meat and, and all that where they were kind of getting on the subject of veganism and all that and how vegans generally will look at, you know, meat eaters, as worse than people that hunt because hunting, at least you're doing it for your needs, and you're doing it right, instead of the cowardly way of just going to buy a steak at the grocery store. Right. So I'm sure that's been I've heard that before. But it definitely resonated with me and like, you know, over the years, I have felt some, some guilt about, you know, eating meat and in a sense, right, but it's, um, again, you know, going back to some of the things we've talked about, like learn behavior, it's just, I'm 100%, desensitized to it because I've just, I've always been able to the time I was a kid shopping with my mom. Okay, the need the chicken need the beef, Baba, bah, you don't even think about it. Right? So when you think about those videos, dude, I think they'll end up even when you watch some of those Netflix documentaries, like Food, Inc. and things of that nature does make it I don't know how it is for you. But it makes me at least questioner think, my food decisions. But I'd be so challenging to be a vegetarian, I think. Yeah, I just, yeah,

Josh Bolton: 1:02:43

my thing is because I work at a local grocery store. And so I'm like, the I'm the janitor that goes around cleans up everything. And so when I go in the fridge on the meat department puts throws away their meat, and it's because it's bad or whatever, right? Yeah, but there's these 55 gallon, like trash cans. Full of meat. And there's like always six or seven filled every day, man. And it's just one of those I told him why can't we just cut back because that's the least in those barrels to full cows worth Yeah, so sad. Under like, No, we can't we have to have X amount of meat for a presentation. Yeah. And I'm like, but then we've literally just killed two animals for no reason.

matt G: 1:03:30

Yeah, just going right in the garbage. Not to mention the, the whole supply chain of cutting it up, butchering it, wrapping it sending it in a refrigerated you know, truck, unloading it working it. It's like all this like, you know, just to throw it in the garbage. Yeah, it's

Josh Bolton: 1:03:48

well, it's pretty sad for one of them told me because they realized it was kind of actually distraught. I'm like, this is this is sad. It's truly a waste of life. It is. And he said, Oh, well, if it makes you feel better, they feed it to the hogs and like that doesn't make me feel better. Because there's a lot of pork in there. Pork happy eating pork.

matt G: 1:04:04

No, that's it. Yeah, exactly. That's like tricking you know what I mean? Like when you hear those serial killers that trick their parents to eat their own children and all that weird kind of crap. Like it's like that dude. It's like, what are we doing? You know, there's a lot of that it's funny like I remember you mentioned you work in a grocery store and that was my previous profession and so I'm very familiar with the waste that just in food in general especially meat man because it is it's like wasted life it's and it's just like to be a part of that it's so to me it's so low vibrational just, you know, not to get all like hippie tangent on this kind of stuff. But it's true, right? It's like, you know, yeah, it's it does affect you right down on it

Josh Bolton: 1:04:45

really does. So, there's times now like there's a very unique supervisor that has me do things that I don't necessarily not necessary supposed to do, but to make him feel better. I do it. Oh, gotcha. Yep. That's one of them is he wants me to clean the fridge. And I'm like, I told him once, like, you know what, how will you move all the heavy stuff? Because I don't really feel like moving it. If you move it, I'll see it. I'm very observant, and I'll go clean it. So that way I can also be in and out and not have to look it to me too.

matt G: 1:05:16

Hey, fair enough, right? No, that's cool. Do what you got to do today? Because it's like it does it's if you're empathetic or anything in any way, it's gonna, it'll just lower your vibration going in there. And just because you think about it, right as this man, yeah, not to be a big downer, but like, just we got to that subject. Like, yeah, it's it's worth talking about. And then yeah, you working at a grocery store? I'm sure you can can relate in. And apparently you

Josh Bolton: 1:05:37

do. Know. Yeah. Yeah. So as you were gonna say, We're gearing up that time for you to get going. So I got three questions for you. Yeah. Well, for sure. Other than work, what have you been doing to keep yourself busy during these COVID times?

matt G: 1:05:52

Yeah, no, good. Very good question. So I I made a sort of a, like a makeshift MacGyver home gym. So I did the seven activities I made sure I did daily to keep myself mentally and physically sort of astute and be good. Good health, basically. So it was Meditation yoga. Wait, like resistance training, jogging, journaling? Oh, yeah, singing, like vocal warm ups and playing guitar. So those seven, I call them my Power Hour, 10 minutes of each. So it's a little over an hour, but you get it. And I had this whole thing about like, so this 10 minute, 10 minute thing that is like, so if you look at 10 minutes a day, every day, I missed one day, and it wasn't even Christmas with some random day. But I did all those activities for an entire year. And yeah, it was like, I think 61 hours by the end of the year. So anybody's like 10 minutes is nothing that's not gonna mount anything, I beg to differ. So it had some great results with me. And it was very doable. And it's just like something that signals to my body and everything I would always set up my day. So I was doing that. So make sure to do that. Just keep my mental and I did a lot of learning books, audio books, podcasts, with the journaling. So that music, made sure to I wrote it, wrote and produced an entire album with my band, we had to do a lot of, you know, remote recording, so I'd send it to them, they record it their house, they send it back to me mix it that way. So it's really cool is interesting, because we had people from all over Canada, my band is kind of dispersed over the years. But everybody showed back up in on this album, which is cool, because I'm like, Well, you know, there's this like new jamming software that you can use. So you can basically have a rehearsal with people all over Canada. And there's basically no lag which is super cool. So good things that kind of came out of the pandemic, right, like we had to force some of the stuff forward. So musically, I would say I had the best, like creativity and keeping myself in really good shape. And honestly, like I'm kind of into an introverted, introverted, more, and I did the podcasting, right, obviously, tonight, so I actually, honestly thrives because I dare say Thrive I thrive during the pandemic, because I work well with structure if something is limited, or just okay, this is your new parameters to work with him. I do very well with that. It's when I have too many options is when I get in my own head about it. So COVID For me, I I hate to I don't want to be braggadocious about it or anything like that. But I did very well with the limitations that came up with COVID. And the only thing that good yes, perfect. I'm on the same page. I think for that. The one thing that I had the most trouble with was working working at a grocery store. And I'm sure you can relate to it because it was very, in a lot of ways its frontline. Right? Because it was a you know, it's not like I'm not putting myself as like a healthcare worker by any means. But it was still a very much essential service. And you take a lot of shit when you're at a grocery store during you know, these troubled times if you don't have fucking toilet paper or whatever it was, you know how it was at that beginning? Oh my god, right and same crazy man. And people are panic buying and people are full of anxiety and you're you're you're all of a sudden your job description also includes like crowd control and calming people down and talking people off the ledge and stuff like this. So yeah, that was i It was very stressful. So that's kind of what led me to fast forward in my career and getting out of it when I did the linchpin with that was definitely COVID So that was the the the flip side of COVID for sure.

Josh Bolton: 1:09:34

I think there's a lot of people reconsidering their situations like we have and are willing to take a pay cut for freedom, which is so yeah, yeah, no one so one is inspired by you and want to walk down similar path. What are some tips tricks or advice you give them to get started?

matt G: 1:09:54

Oh, so for if they're one day, get out of their job, even

Josh Bolton: 1:09:58

just in general, like get out of their jobs start their own Coaching podcast.

matt G: 1:10:01

Yeah, yeah, no, that's a really good question. So yeah, for sure. Um, first off, you know, I learned this off of bonus, it was a John Lee Dumas other podcast or his audiobook, which is fantastic he he sets the table very well for you getting your podcasts or just your entrepreneurial pursuit started. And it's all about writing out on the left, left column, what you're passionate about. And then on the right column, what your talents are, where your talents lay, where, where you put some work in, right, so, and then connecting the dots. So that's what I did. And that's what led me to really firming up on podcasting, and realizing what the power of podcasting as far as, like we've talked about before, on your episode of my show, the networking, the self learning, you can do it for selfish purposes, but then also benefits your audience. Right? So because I remember you used it for like business learning about business initially, right? And then you kind of started expanding outwards, right. But still, it's like a self learning thing that also provides value for your audience as well. So yeah, that was that's what it is, is like really figuring out where your passions lie, and then connecting it finding the connection points with things that you're good at. And somewhere in there is where you're going to find your starting point. If nothing else, I'm not going to say that it's going to be Oh, lightbulb. Good. That's where it is. Because it's not it's not I mean, wasn't like that for me. You know, for me, it's been like a journey of like, okay, connecting dots one step at a time, a couple steps back to like, okay, reassessed. A couple steps ahead. Again, that's part of the fun, okay, so the second one would be definitely be do things via the process, as an adventure, explore, because you have to enjoy the process, you have to get the mindset of achieving all the time and doing it's not that that is the byproduct of having a mindset of exploration and adventure. So if you never view it as like, hard work, or never view it, it's like reframing right? It's not, it's not, again, when we talk about failure we've talked about in this episode, it's not failure, it's learning. It's growing, as long as you're growing, and having fun growing and, and, and approaching everything is like, if this is an adventure, this is part of the process, I'm enjoying the process, the other things will come. It's, it's, it's, for me, that was the trickiest thing for me. So that's a huge piece of advice for anybody that's all about like the To Do lists and crossing off the To Do lists. That's, that's not the way to do it. You know, it's what the way to do it is enjoy what you're doing, enjoying the process, having the mindset about the process. As the your this is your adventure, this is the stuff that exhilarates you that's what makes your you know, the hair on your arm stand up. And from there, the byproduct is achieving things and crossing things off your list. It's good to have goals, but, but enjoy getting to the goals because there's nothing worse than having a mindset where it's all goal oriented, and they get to the goal. And you get that you know, that split second of like endorphins ago, Ah, nice. And then because then your brain is gonna go, Okay, what's next, and then you're not enjoying anything, right? So that that would be my other big one is third, it's just a derivative of that it's just remember to have fun. And part of that is having faith right and faith that regardless of how spiritual you are, you could refer reworded as assumption of the assumption that, you know, time plus effort in will equal success, so nothing else that could be your faith based assumption. So that would be my advice, for sure.

Josh Bolton: 1:13:43

100% So where can everyone contact you?

matt G: 1:13:45

Yeah, for sure. So I you know, I'm just getting a program together right now, so you can find it at recovery. roadmap.me And then there's a slash recovery roadmap.me learn. So it's kind of a just a commercial that I shot and just give you some verbiage about what the program is about, which includes the one on one coaching sessions with myself. I'm on Instagram and Tiktok at Matt gardener. 780. And if you're interested in my band aids because we have been talking, you know, music on the podcast here my band is called ground level Falcons. So it's ground level falcons.bandcamp.com That's kind of our de facto website. It's got our whole discography you can stream it and play it. We're on any you know, if you have Spotify or Apple Music, you can find us on there as well.

Josh Bolton: 1:14:31

Awesome. Awesome. An absolute honor and pleasure to have you on.

matt G: 1:14:34

Thanks, dude. Yeah, awesome. I love I love your show. I love what you're doing. And yeah, we're, we're definitely we're definitely bros. So we're gonna keep in touch. I'm gonna have you back on and hopefully vice versa. If you ever had me back on I would love back. Awesome, dude. Really appreciate it.