Tech Start Up and Online Dating Apps | Itamar Gil

 Today on the show we have Itamar, a young college student who is an engineer by study and working for two dating apps startups, which are Kama and Vybe.

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https://www.instagram.com/trykama/

Vybe Together:

http://vybetogether.com/

https://www.instagram.com/vybetogether/

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Welcome, everybody to the show today we have It's Mr. It's Mr. I think I just butchered it again. wonderful guy. We just got talking before I hit the record button of engineering his app on the side. He's working on the mindset and psychology he sees and a project he has going on currently called vibe. So here he is. None other than its mark. Thank you. Just one second. The best How you doing? He can't hear you though. But okay. All good. You can you can. Yeah. I guess just recorded. It's recorded. It's pre recorded. Yeah, but we're gonna, again. Okay. Do you want me to to just respond, right? Yeah, I'll cut that all out. Okay, sounds good. Thank you just for having me. Yeah, so I'm Itamar I'm originally from Israel. This is where the name comes from, as well. Hebrew. And, indeed, I'm currently working on an app called back together, as well as another app called karma, karma dating. And I'm also a student at Columbia University in New York, doing psychology involving within involving it with with economics. Thank you happy to be here. pleasures mine. So then let's just get into a little bit of your back fishy about a little bit I cell phone? Where are you originally from? Where do you live currently? And what do you do for work? So I'm originally from Israel. As I mentioned, the central area, I spent most of my life there 21 years in specific am and I studied there, you know, school, after high school, then we have mandatory service in the military. So I enrolled when I was 18 years old. And then after I graduate, I finished, I got released from the military. I came to New York, started school at Columbia University. And since then I here wonderful, don't worry, I'm not going to show the video. But, uh, so the You said you were specifically in Israel for 21 years? What inspired you to leave that? Because that's a good chunk of your life? Yeah, definitely, definitely. Um, so I think it, it stems from, from my early days, earlier days. First of all, I'm gay. And until I was 19, I did not really speak about it. And they feel like this repression of emotions and identity created some sort of an antagonism or just a just a sense of, not belonging, like not belonging to the place. And when I think about it, in retrospect, I think this was kind of this gave me kind of like a, I wanted to kind of leave in to try new spaces, new places, and, and simultaneously, the US was really, I was really intrigued by everything that is happening here. And, and I think, in Israel, we hear a lot about about, you know, entrepreneurship and, and economical growth, and the US is always kind of the place. Definitely kind of the hub for that. And, and even though Israel also has, you know, has technology, technology is a big is a big part of the Israeli I would say I would say create innovation and creativity is a big part of the Israeli mentality. And I think we managed to tap into intrapreneurship and, and startup tech, not technology startups in an interesting way. And so, even though that's that's true, I wanted to try out, you know, to go kind of out there to the big world. Yeah. Children, learn who you are. Yeah, exactly. And yeah, and they had the opportunity to get into Colombia. So I just, I just took it and they came to New York. Wonderful. From my personal experience, and just reading of different contexts and cultures. Israel is not that forgiving for the LGBTQ plus community, right. So I wouldn't say it's unforgiving. I think Israel Israel is first of all is a is a developed country. and and, and and both socially And socially, culturally. And also, I mean, we're talking about industry and technology. Right? We have Tel Aviv, which is I think he's actually considered one of the most the great cities for for gay people. Okay, LGBTQ. Good. Yeah. Yeah. And we have, we have the parade every year, which is a big, very big thing that's happening. We had the Eurovision few years ago, happening in Tel Aviv. It's you know, I don't know if you know, if you're familiar with it with a Eurovision, but that's a singing contest. That's contest that's happening in Europe. A large viewing. So it's a very big thing that's happening until we was this the hosting city. Oh, nice. So there's definitely a lot happening there. But again, and because it's a small country, it's not like, you know, the periphery, the cities that surround the area are necessarily, you know, too far fetched. Everyone is absorbing from each other. It's kind of like, a melting pot, in a sense, right, because of the the proximity geographically. But for me, I think it's just my individual experience, growing up in a rural area, and knowing everyone around me, and not having a lot of gay people, at least not you know, people who identify themselves as gay people, or as LGBT, around me. And yeah, I felt like I wanna I need to, you know, you need to feel belong and, and I had this issue internally. And, but I think this is kind of involved with with my entrepreneurial kind of mindset and developing have a very unique agenda, I would say, because most people, as we all know, are kind of fixed about the way they want their lives to evolve, right, we have the path that we build for ourselves, and that social society builds for us in a sense, and we kind of, we foster, and I always felt like, I want to do something different. And I think that and the identity issues that I mentioned, kind of merged and made me feel like, you know, I want to I want to go out and experience the world differently. And then Tel Aviv is one option for me, it was a 40 minutes drive, you know, from my home. So it was like the big city that we have around us. But for me New York was kind of like, you know, the extreme and just just go and do that. New York City extreme for everything. Image like makes everything else in America look like nothing. Yeah, that's uh, I guess. Or the few times like my sister went and she went to visit a friend during the heated lockdowns. They were doing something else. She had to go to New York. And she sent me a video and I'm like, in that like, 30 seconds. I'm like, there was like 25 things that happened in 30 seconds. Like, that's just what I could see. Well, he says the York's crazy. Yeah, I mean, obviously the pandemic made it feel like more of a moderate theory but but it's definitely extreme. By the luck to be here before the pandemic for a little bit. Yeah, I came late 2019. So I had some time before and then sometimes during and these days, which is kind of like during but but feels like a bit of a post when they make the summer is coming. I think people are kind of happier, more cheerful and you can feel that. And and vaccines obviously I'm very I'm fully vaccinated. I'm feel glad for that. I'm lucky for that. But yeah. So I'm wanting to get your take because you were telling me about you have a mindset in psychology. Do you think with the damage that the lockdowns did and the scare of the COVID? Do you think we will ever actually get to normal or anything close to normal? So first of all, I want to I like to define it as a new normal, because normal is something very, I mean, it's, it's a vague term, it's a vague term, right? Because it's his perspective, too. Because my perspective is rather than yours. Yeah, what's normal? And then what's what's abnormal? So can we can we define the normal that we're gonna have as normal that we used to have? No, it's gonna be a new normal. And I think and this is what I'm focusing on from the entrepreneurial aspect from the business aspect. I think that people you know, need the social interaction, the in person interaction, no matter how much we try to build technologies that enable us to communicate better remotely digitally, there is no parallel there is no substitute, sorry, there is no substitute to the in person interaction to the body language to the smell, you know, to the touch. And this is why I think, post pandemic, we're going to have a rise in person in need for in person interactions. And there's going to be a time I think of adjustment to the new normal. So it might, it might, you know, create some, some uncomfortable feelings, some anxiety around around interaction. But But again, we are I think we're very agile animals, right? socially, we can really adjust quickly, and I hope that you are going to do the step of like, you know, go back and do the in person to the, to the, to the real life kind of, and, and enjoy it. And yeah, but I think COVID is definitely gonna think gonna change things for the long term. Yeah, the, the, the ability, the whole history of America, we never, as far as business and entrepreneurship said, Oh, if you want to come into work, that whole introduction, now there's a whole generation that's used to the concept of, well, I'm scared, so I don't want to go to work kind of thing. I think that's going to be a major trend change. And but also, yeah, you said the, the going in to in person, like concerts, like, I haven't gone to a concert and what, like, a year and a half now, I really might go, I'll pay an extra if they need me to pay like 200 instead of 100? I'll do it. Yeah, I think, yeah, you're mentioning the comparison between the kind of the daily routine that we have, and special occasions, I guess, right. And I think that I mean, I think the JOB, JOB places employers expect a decrease in interest in going and be in person be physically in the in the office, right. And then all the time companies are going to allow in the long term for employees to come to the office only, like, you know, once a week or so. But this is one thing, this is the kind of the comfort of, of working in a very in a in a in an environment that you are you're feeling comfortable in, but we are obviously going to have the social needs. And this is why for example, people will say that maybe restaurants are going to disappear. I'm not sure I mean, I did read reports by the by the restaurants in New York, the US Restaurant Association did show a decrease in indoor dining and you know or outdoor but staying but but basically table occupancy. And I think it's not going to disappear maybe it's going to decrease I'm again, this is something we can't really, you know, we can't really forecast but right, I think there is something different about going to going and sitting on a table and getting being served the food and all that. That is way more experienced heavy than getting the food to your doorstep and eating in your house. Same with cinemas, right as opposed to watching Netflix. And same with with in my you know if we're if we're kind of touching my my interest in dating. Same with dating. We have video chat dates, but they are not a substitute. Not right to the in person experience. And no matter how much you create a relationship with someone digitally until you meet them in person. You want to be able to truly know the person. Exactly. Again, this is something that I I know that some people have remote relationships, and they do turn basis. They do work up to some capacity. But then of the day, if we're talking about a relationship, we're talking about physical intimacy as well, right. How can you do that when you're digital? Yeah, that is the biggest problem I've noticed in general with the lockdowns and no one's allowed to meet each other is a joke with people but it's true but it's not. It's like we're very simple beast. We can actually read someone's intentions whether they like it or not. But we got to be there because there's like that whole we can feel their energy like this. You can see my hands move but you don't see my feet which could then trigger Oh, he's really anxious kind of thing and his eyes are twitching with the video. I could just crop the words only my neck, what are you going to see? Definitely. Definitely. And you know, when Yeah, I mean, again, video is like is distorting us. Right physic. I mean, right now, I'm probably I'm probably seen distorted, in a sense, maybe my head seems bigger or whatever. But when we cut when it comes to, again, to creating this intimacy, we also, we also want to know how the person looks like, in real life. And again, as you mentioned, the design mentioned, being able to assess the body language and the way they, they interact with you. And there's so many aspects about the in person, aspect that I really value. And if we're talking about, about karma, this is what we try to create, helping people, again, post pandemic, were in a time when it's gonna be kind of getting to know ourselves again, again, you know, how we communicate in real life. How we experience social social in situations, it's gonna, it's gonna be an experience for us, internally, but also, you know, having all the stimulation around the, you know, the simulation around us. So, yeah, I really think that it's gonna be interesting times, and we'd come I didn't mention it, but karma sets updated partying restaurants. Oh, no, that's interesting. Let's go into that after you finish this. Yeah. So I'm just I think that it is going to be interesting to see how we all are going to use technology. That's first and I think second, how we are going to use technology in relationship and synergy with our real life. experience or profile? Yeah, yeah, that is gonna be interesting. That's one of the biggest things. Because I still work with people in it at a grocery store, and literally, they're all like, are we ever ever going to cook it back to normal, Mike? Well, because they're they're partiers. So they like drinking and going to clubs and like, you'll eventually be able to go to the club and the bar without having to wear a mask keeping distance, but I'm like, there might be harder obstacles that you can't physically see maybe the person scarred from COVID. So they're not necessarily going to be eager to hang out with you kind of thing. And I agree. Yeah, I think that's an interesting point. I think we are going to remember COVID for a while. Yeah. I just wonder for how long. You know, I, I think, in general, I think the average human after two years completely forgets, like if in two years from now, we're probably both we're gonna forget each other, and our faces will remember our personalities. But that's about all we're gonna remember from this kind of thing. So the way you said that means being scarred being having having the trauma from COVID mighty men might maybe persist longer than two years. might not. But But I think the point is that we all need to move on. And we don't have any other choice. And people who are not going to move on are going to be stuck. And being stuck has its has its consequences. I guess, as long as you're moving, you're not dying. If you're not moving, you're dying, essentially. So Kama is that you said you integrated booking a table for the actual date? Is that like, the tabletop? What's the one where you like you go on? And you're actually table? Yes, Open Table. That's it. So is it like an Open Table meets like Tinder slash whatever? I guess you can call it this way. Yeah, I think we are more about the, the facilitation of experiences. Right now. We focused on the food and beverage, first of all, because it's easier to fathom, basically, for us as daters and for a business or, you know, from the industry and but, but But yeah, but and then it's about the other thing is is supporting the businesses, which I think is now going to be interesting time for them as well. It really will be so actually one thing I used to use an app probably was open table or something like that, where I booked it with them, but I actually got an extra discount on top, whatever discount Are you going to offer that eventually to your your clientele, or is that one of those? It's more of an idea. We can't guarantee anything? No, definitely the idea is to partner with businesses and offer perks offer certain Things that the general public doesn't get right? Basically forming a community and encourage people to join it. Because I will tell you, pre pandemic, we were just about to launch, early 2020. We had formed relationships, partnerships with 50 restaurants in New York City. We had discounts available for users. But then because of COVID, everything, you know, we had to make a lot of transformation and change. discounts are right now, I don't think on a moral level we can really ask for, for discounts. As individuals even I think it's really not, is not, you know, an empathic act, asking for that. Yeah, definitely is an answer to your question. The goal is to provide our users with discounts. I think maybe you maybe you thought about the app called seated, which allows people to go eat at a restaurant, and get discounts in the form of credits for future dining. It's going to be probably something similar. But again, our situ our advantage, I think, in this case, or just a difference when it comes to the business model, is the matchmaking platform experience. So people can match with each other. And we basically according to their preferences, provide them with the time and the location, and encourage them to go and again, experience the real life and have it in an easy, basically seamless, digital real life. Kind of, you know, path. As very interesting. Yeah, a lot of like, Scout, I know, Bumble that went public. A lot of them. A lot of dating apps have incorporated that now that they're encouraging people to meet in person. But they're also like, because you've all been locked up for like a year, year and a half. Y'all might be crazy to be kind Be smart, like learn the person, make sure they're not catfisher crazy person. For you, though, I was reading I was asking about a, like, a discount, let's say, let's say you go with the SAS model of monthly payment for your service of arranging everything. Would that's rosae. Do I get a discount? Like I also get access to unlimited whatever. But I also can get maybe like guaranteed 10% offer a spaghetti place, even if they don't have a discount, because I use this app, I get 10% off kind of thing. I agree. I in our case, I think I didn't met I didn't explain maybe deeply enough, but we don't ask for any subscription on the user end. Oh, we didn't go into any of that beforehand. So yeah. Right. So. So the goal is, first of all, providing our users with the date. And the discount is kind of the cherry on top. And also from our former, you know, customer discovery, we figure that discount is not necessarily the biggest thing that people look for, especially when they go on a date. And yeah, on the other end, we target students, which sometimes want to have, you know, I want to have as long as I can get some discount, it's always a nice an iceberg. And, but we charge our partners in the future. So we charge the restaurants, and they are being received with customers and not even leads they actually received, you know, they get customers in table occupancy. So okay, that's interesting, because already the restaurant industry is a razor thin margin. And then, like grubhub has clearly shown that the restaurant industry can't sustain them kind of thing. With taking the my one buddy, he opened the restaurant right before the pandemic started. And he had to close it down. Because grub hub was he had it set to a margin of 20% of whatever he sells, he makes 20%. But that 20% also has to pay for all his employees. Well, grubhub was taking 30% of what he makes. So he's like, I can't sustain this literally, there's no way I can sustain this kind of thing. Yeah, and I think another thing with grubhub is, they take orders that in the past, or are potentially gonna be gonna be operated by the restaurant. So when grubhub says that they give more customers to the restaurant. It's not entirely true. Exactly. It's, it's only technically it's not entirely true because those customers might have been able to order food by calling the restaurant and then the restaurant wouldn't need To pay 20% to this third party, right, so, there are other issues, I think with delivery companies. First of all, I think, as opposed to them, and if you charge the restaurants less, you might be able to create a better economical, you know, cents. I know that doordash for example, if I'm not wrong, doordash lose money at the moment. So it's obviously expensive to operate such a business or delivery business. But with that said, I think being able to these days form a certain level of solidarity in the community, even if it's, again, now if we're talking about business to business doordash. And the restaurant, this is probably gonna be the difference between a cold hearted kind of corporate feeling to the interact to the partnership or to the corporation. And as opposed to a sense of solidarity. And I think this is something that that companies now understand and try to build. And this is going to be our goal as well. Being able to create a win win situation, basically, because I think everyone can benefit from those kind of, if we're talking about the digital platform, and the physical space, and both collaborate. So I have a question on the way you your algorithm of matching people, is it based off? Let's say, I like rock and roll, specifically, Slayer? And if my companion whoever he or she is, is it based off? Or if they like a very similar genre of music? Or is it based on? biog biographies? Like, how would How do you? How does your matchmaking algorithm work without giving the keys to the kingdom away? Yeah, of course. So, I would, first of all, I would start by saying that I think as opposed to many apps that try to forecast for us, who we are going to be into it. So far, it hasn't proven, you know, the best way to form a relationship. And what I mean by that is, we sometimes don't really know, who we want to be with. And we might assume that we want someone that has similar hobbies, or like the same food as us, or even is in the same manner have the same zodiac sign, but then when we meet in person, and basically in reality, he turns out sometimes to be wrong, and sometimes someone that we randomly meet, and that doesn't necessarily have so many hobbies in common with us, we might find super attractive, and we might be interested in having, you know, continuing the relationship with. So this was kind of the intro and and the the bottom line is that we don't complicate things when we do the matching. And for in on karma, specifically, location is important. Because after all, what we try to do is giving two people the opportunity to meet in person. So we have a mechanical system that allows us to find a location that is going to be kind of in between the two is going to allow the two to meet in person. That's the first thing. The other thing is obviously I mean, obviously gender identity, sexual orientation, all that right, it's coming into, into consideration. And lastly, favorite activities, what do we want to do for the first day, and I think this is kind of very similar to what we talked about when it comes to, you know, hobbies, for example. If someone is into, I don't know, a sports event, watching or or doing some sports activity, and the other piece person is is integrated as well, first of all, it's going to allow some familiarity. So both people, you know, let's say you mentioned the concert early on, let's say you want to go to a concert for the and the other person also mentioned to the app that they want to go to a concert as well. Then, if you two are matching, and you go together to a concert, you have this initial, you know, you have this initial thing in common that's going to allow you to develop the relationship. So this is what we do, but we are not over complicating the algorithm in a sense simply by the fact that we want people to meet in real life and figure out by themselves if it's if it's a thing or not. Right okay, that's that's more what I was going for. Because I was thinking like are you going to do like the pay to be seen like shot Not all the other stuff where it's like, pay me 505 bucks today and for the rest of the 16 hours, everyone in their mother will see you have nothing. Are you going for that? Or will that be more later on where it's like, you have too many people in the system can't keep up like it's keep filtering the person down, but not intentional. So we'll see, I guess the answer is we will see because we are a young startup. And we are, we are searching for the product market fit, basically. And this is something to iterate on, I think when it comes to when, when speaking entrepreneurship, it's super important to just try out testing stuff going out there, either speaking with people, or if you have a product, if you have a product, showing, showcasing the product, get people to join and try it out, analyze the data, analyze how they, how they interact with the product, and then move on. So I can't tell you by now. But what we try again, the kind of the vision and the short term mission as well, is to get people in real life, get people together in real life. And the pandemic is giving us an interesting opportunity to experience to try to see how people are going to be interested in using such product. Right. So I'm curious, are you live as it is? So if someone's listening, is it like live just for the iOS? Or is live for Android two? Or so right now we are, we are still in testing phases. We have a web platform at the moment on app.com adult club. But we do operate only in New York City at the moment. I'm going to let you know once we once we launch it's going to happen soon. And we'll see from there. And they will also mention that we recently won a competition at Columbia University. It's called Columbia venture competition. We got third place, which is also exciting. Yeah. And, and so you know, I think that people should should check out our comedy club website and we update you know, we added everyone there. People can can subscribe can enter the email and then they're going to get updates. But to your to the point currently still unavailable on app stores. Okay, yeah, cuz I tried looking up earlier, and I just found like, fantasy sports stick and I'm like, okay, I don't think that's what he's going for. No, no, I agree. So then, we have what's your, your, your projected date of launch? Is it July, August specifics? Third, enter third quarters, first part, fourth quarter kind of thing. So I would say July, August. Okay. Summer, summertime in New York is gonna be a lunch. And yeah, we all look forward to that. Yeah, I think that's gonna be the most closest point to resembling normal as we can get is the joy. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And hopefully, you know, we really encourage everyone to get the vaccine and hopefully, we're gonna have a mass of people vaccinated. And obviously, the herd immunity comes into play at some point. I'm not an expert. I don't know really the numbers, but I don't either, hopefully. Yeah. So when I leave? So actually, one thing I'm curious about, I've heard people mention it, but I don't know how they would be enforced in any way possible. Are you gonna have an option where it's like, they take a picture of their vaccination card and can be like, I'm fully vaccinated kind of thing. And now they're like a little COVID check kind of thing. Kind of a passport, a green pass? Yeah. We look into that. I think it's something that right now. Companies need to start thinking about and potential integrate. I do know if I give you an example, my home country, Israel, you are not allowed to enter certain places without a COVID you know, COVID freak and a passport. Right. So it's probably gonna be a thing. And we're gonna follow, you know, the kind of the, the, the policy or the, you know, the, the how you call it the protocol that that, you know, the industry is going to probably Foster. Yeah, yeah. I'm just curious, is it just you and maybe like two other buddies on this or is it like a Good team size like 10 to 15? That's a great question. So right now we've come I'm working with a co founder, okay. Which I met at Columbia University actually. Okay. But if we touch teams, I'm also involved in another product called bike together, right? It's v y v together. I put I, and this is a four people team. And so we've comma, my co founder and I are functioning by ourselves. We haven't we have a few interns. But that's basically it. We'd like together, I'm working with three other people. And I would mention in regard to that, that I think it's really important to make everything organized. And I am someone who is very organized. And with vibe, for example, I'm way more of the operations person and a kind of I manage the team, basically, Sheila springs are small, did you kind of indirectly take the CEO role kind of thing? I would I would call it this way. Yeah, I would, I would say I think it's, you know, this is a trait that some people have some not. And I think when you work with people, you have to target your, your skills, your advantages. And if you have certain ones and the other, you know, people on the team have others, you can really create amazing synergy. And you can truly work together in in a beautiful way. So we invite I think we targeted, we found out what you know, what's, what's the strengths of each and for me, definitely operating and being able to buffer and to make, make sure that things work, basically, and being executed. Right. So your vibe together? Are you Is this a hobby? Or is it actually like your job to work here? So why together is something that I got involved in? And I'm actually one of the founders, okay, at the moment. It started as a side as a kind of a hobby, I would call it are just a side gig kind of thing. And it became more solid. And right now, I'm also I'm working with them. I wouldn't say it's full time, I would say karma and vibe are kind of the things that let's create my full time. Job, we generate the everything involved. And and with Viber, yes, I would just mentioned, you know, I just tell you briefly, that's vibe together was launched earlier this year. It's a, it used to be an app that, that create accessibility to parties for the general public basically. And but obviously, Paul COVID, made it made it interesting and vide together was duck viral, actually, but also got banned by App Store. And we had to, we had to think together, how we move forward, and vibe together at the moment, first of all, gonna launch soon. In the next few weeks, and vibe together is focusing on giving access to in person experiences happening around you. interest. So how does that work? Yes. So I don't want to give too many of the cards here. But the basics, like for lay man who that's like me, I don't even know what the hell you're doing. Yeah. So we are building a platform that allows people to host events, and to people to be guests to attend events. And our concept is based on the fact that hosts list an event. And then they receive they, they see people that might potentially want to join the event. And they invite those people. And the guests can only see events that they're being invited to, basically. So in a platform. That is I don't want to say yeah, but I'm just I get that. Yeah, the idea is that the guests, the users are going to be able to come on the app and RSVP to events that happening around them. get tickets if the event costs money, and those events can be private event. Hi, welcome everybody. Sorry for the technical interruptions. The My internet randomly decided to turn off for like literally one second and ruin the whole meeting. So this is just me filling in for however many seconds I need to fill in. I think it was like 20 or 30. Shoot, I don't forget to rate and review this on any of your apps, apple, Spotify, mon, pretty much everything you said, Pandora, Pandora, if you're listening, come on, let me let me in. But uh, if you don't want to read on review on those totally understand, you got to keep your coolness. There's an app website called pod chaser, I'll put a link in the description, rating view me there. Because then I can also show to more prestigious guests, I am worth their hour of their life to come on. Other than that, my social media, I actually I will I try to use as much as I can, is Twitter at JRBOLGON and underdash, Instagram, same handle, all this would be in description. I don't really like Tick Tock. But if you go, if I get enough, ask for it, I'll do it. It just burns my battery. That's all I don't. Alright, I think that's enough. Stay safe, stay awesome. Back to the show. way. So Viber, we currently are going to lunch. And we have we got a lot of overexposure out there on social media and on the traditional media. And we are an experienced app, and we're going to allow people to either host events and events can be just social gatherings, but it can also be parties, obviously, once once officially allowed. And Users can also be guests and basically being provided with with events around them that are happening that they have been invited to those events can be private, which means they got the personal invitation from the host. And they can be public, which can be I don't know, you know, Bryant Park, there is a thing happening go you know, when you join they're basically going to, and this is why vibe are kind of our our mission is to create access for the general public to go on in real life experiences and enjoy enjoy activities. Okay, so it was really because I was thinking like, you could do technically like a zoom thing like this where you have like five buddies and y'all like, but it's only your five buddies kind of thing. Or, but yeah, in person that makes way more sense. Mike, why would you do a zoom conference call? It's more, it's more personable if you can meet kind of thing. Exactly. And again, this is why for me things are interrelated. And I truly see the importance of socially, you know, socially interacting in person. I have a lot of, I won't say resentment, but I just I don't like I'm overusing the digital, you know, communication systems. Like this other than zoom crashing. It's great, cuz I probably would never have met you in person kind of thing. Yeah, exactly. This is the great advantages. Zoom is great. This is amazing. We managed to study to have schools to have a social event in zoom when we had to, but right now, things get better. And again, regulation is gonna we're gonna follow regulation. Once people can truly meet in person and enjoy, enjoy either dining or, you know, going to the cinemas, I went a few days ago to New York's AMC. On Time squirt, it's open. Let's do that. I mean, let's enjoy. Let's go back to, again, we call it the new normal, but that's a that's something that's, that's so that's so so visceral. We need it. So this is why for us with vibe. They go goal is to offer people the opportunity to, you know, host events, I want to have a few people at home, I have, let's say you know, given a scenario, I have three friends with three friends with me. And we want to have five more people we want to get to know we can invite them through basically listing a private event and get them to end the invite them basically. Yeah, okay, I can see that words like Express you with the psychology and the damage of meaning and person and grouping. You could just be like, Hey, I'm having a book, I easy barbecue kind of things, bring your own alcohol and you show up like you have a free burger kind of thing. We just want to hang out and chat kind of thing. Exactly. And also in the traditional sense, for example, we have one of our teammates is is a promoter in his, you know, pre pandemic days. promoter promoters can use the app and truly have a great experience using it because it's going to make their life easier. They're going to be able to invite people in They're going to be able to check out profiles, social media profiles of people. And same with guests who want to go on a party on a, you know, you want to go in a club party, for example, you can see who is inviting you, you can check out, you know, again, if it's a promoter that invited you, or if it's a random person that that wants to have three more people coming with them to the party, it can all be facilitated with facilitated with the app. And as opposed to, for example, Eventbrite, that offers basically only ticketing, we are taking that to the next level and creating a social media or sorry, a social app for in person experiences. So via together is also going to be an interesting Avenue. And again, it's all about the in person, it's all about the real life experiences. And they think we all we all need it. So one thing I in person or not, it's how we are wired, are you going to incorporate like a clubhouse thing? where maybe they, they're busy, but they're like, they want to hang out with the person. So instead of meeting a person who could just start a clubhouse, and are you going to try to look into that or like a roulette video like this will not illegal that's just such creepy but something like that where it's like the you're live and the person who go live with you. So definitely, I don't want to you know, give up all the crime the car, right, there's some interesting stuff going on that are gonna be super exciting, excited, we are going to be super, we are super excited to, to showcase and I think people are going to be exciting to see a clubhouse is a great example of a way we can interact pre physical meeting, kind of, and this is something that we are definitely working on as well. And we're going to showcase. So yeah, to the point to your question. Definitely. We have some some policy in English. We have some interesting. It's already my theory just popped up. We have some we have some interesting features going on that we're going to be I don't know what to do. We're going to be excited. We have, I'm going to repeat so that you can edit properly. We have interesting features, you have some interesting features, that we're really going to be really excited to show. Once we launch and people I think we're going to be excited excited to see as well. Absolutely. Yeah, it's going to be Yeah, like I said, don't want to get you the key. The keys to the kingdom away. What like, what does the gate look like kind of thing? Exactly. Um, Yep, definitely. That's awesome. Yeah, sorry for this hot mess of a replay interview. This guy, I want to see how it's gonna turn out. I mean, honestly, you're technically abilities. All together? It'll be interesting. Yeah, other than that, man, there was so much we could go over to I want to ask you those, because you kind of mentioned it, but I want more like a detail. What have you been doing other than vibe, man, comma, for passing time? Like, are you watching Netflix, Amazon Prime, podcasts, etc. Definitely. So first of all, I am a big fan of film and television. And I love watching high quality content. And they think these days are like the peak the Primetime for, you know for content that you can watch at home. With that said, I love the theaters. So movies I haven't been into very much during the pandemic, just because enjoy going to see them in the theater. TV shows a bit more. Yeah, Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, HBO. I recently watched what's called fleabag TV show called fleabag. And I think it's, it's originally a BBC Britain show. amazing show. I really recommend that one. It's a bit of a dark humor. It has a dark humor mentality to it. But I think it has so many interesting observations of society. If it's about gender, and if it's about trauma, a lot of interesting stuff going on there. So I really love that and books I love Kindle. I have a at each moment I have about three books open, you know, simultaneously and up to my mood. I decide which one I want to read. Both fiction and nonfiction as your casts that will say this And we didn't even get to podcast part. So are you reading reading? Are you listening to your books? So I read books, I listen to podcasts. Okay. That's for me kind of the split. I think I like to also read the written word. I think there is. I never tried actually audible or or other audiobooks platforms. Okay, ah, maybe at some point, maybe I'm a bit old fashioned, but I like the I like making the differentiation. And I don't know. Do you like the older books like the original Frankenstein? Stuff like that? I'm not really reading those. I think it's again, it's I think it's we all have phases, kind of throughout our right, I'm sure you, you're also acknowledging that right now I'm really I'm really into psychology. I'm reading psychology, I'm reading social societal, kind of sociology, books, influence selling, entrepreneurship, business. Those kind of things. But Show. I'm just curious. Have you read the book Thinking Fast and Slow yet? Yeah, of course. And I love it. I think it's an amazing book. He taught me so much about the system, right, the first system and the second system? Yeah, the slow thinking and the fast thinking. And I think this is a precursor precursor to so many other things that once we we know, those this precursor we can really look at everything in a different perspective. Yeah. So yeah, I love this book. Yeah, the that alone, cuz I was trying to figure out why the Horde mentality was the way it was, for like six months, I'm trying to rationalize it, reverse engineer made no sense. Listen to that book. And suddenly, I'm like, oh, literally, everything now can be calculated kind of thing. So true. It's amazing. It's amazing how it's all stemming from energy consuming, right? activities, and how the brain is the brain is also simply a machine that consumes energy and needs to somehow be efficient. So sometimes it's gonna use energy. And less energy if it can, if it can, if it's possible for it. And sometimes it's going to have to, it's going to require more energy. And this is where the second system goes, but I guess people need to read it in order to better understand the context here. Yeah, they're gonna be like, What the hell are they talking about? Like digital, we already do. It's like, no, there's, like, there's a reason why you have formed a habit a certain way, because it makes more mental efficiency to you, even if it's terrible kind of thing. Exactly. Exactly. The one I've been reading, because I just finished that book. So I've been reading there one recommended recommendation of a guest really explained psychology because you now have the base of a is the Gulag archipelago. Huge book, just to note super depressing. But it's essentially how not to treat someone. It is the how the Russians when they lived through the the Soviet Union, the communism and all that and how they went to the work camps. And how the the grinding of the machine made humans from just this civil happy to essentially just beasts, they didn't know better. But with the context of the Thinking Fast and Slow, it's like, oh, yeah, literally, they're just taking x y&z from the mind. They can't think about it anymore. But it's just but if you don't have that context, it just seems like a terrible horror movie. But once you look at as a reverse engineer, it's brilliant. Super depressing. It's like 1000 pages don't recommend. Interesting. Yeah, I agree. It's very interesting. And I don't know if you know, the book, The banality of evil. But it seems like it's kind of an allegation of evil banality of evil by Hannah Arendt. She's a philosopher. And she wrote about Eichmann's trial that occurred back in in when was it I don't remember exactly but in Jerusalem after the Second World War, and she's she's doc taking this event to trial. And she's in it. She's connecting it to philosophical and psychological disciplines and questions. And she provides some interesting answers and some interesting, interesting food for thought. And it's, again, it's coming to an end if you if you the title itself, the banality of evil is also connected with this Thinking Fast and Slow, right? We can be evil, if we have this, in this case, authority and in this case, you know, certain kind of social structures around us that make us do things that we might not have done otherwise. So get the most saintly person can become a center real quick if the systems designed that way. Definitely. Awesome. Then the second thing I'd like to go into is, well, we kind of been talking about what keeps you busy. What is an app that you're not designing that you've been using more than maybe before for the pre pandemic times? You know, we were talking about working out. I have, I have an app called Tabata timer. habits. Oh, yeah, amazing when you do windows session at home, so I feel like I use that more than in the past? And that's a good question. Let's see, you know what, I'm just gonna check which apps are more visible than before? I think this one, as well as Spotify and podcasts. Okay. I think probably used I'm not sure if it's way more than in the past, but maybe a little bit more. And in my case, our school has an app that you need to declare that your COVID safe. is, so I have this app, which I use the way I mean it obviously I use it zero times a year ago. Now I had to use it. I have to use it once in a few days. So one for I'm sure that many schools did similar stuff. They call it a green pass, basically, right. And then when you swipe your card in the entrance to whatever facility, they know that you're, you know, COVID safe declared as COVID safe. Okay, that's interesting. So podcasting, and working out. That's awesome. Yeah, that's, it's kind of like for me, it's same thing as like podcasting. And I have a note or I record what I'm lifting. So it's simple to Notepad. It's nice and crazy. That's awesome. Thank you again for coming on. I'm definitely gonna have to get you on in future to check up on how comma and vibes doing Perfect. Thank you so much for having me. Just, it was a pleasure. And definitely I'd love to, you know, to keep in touch and I it was a pleasure again. It was it is Thank you, appreciate you and stay safe. Stay well. Thank you. You too.