HyperHealing ADHD | Avigal Gimpel

Avigail was born in 1974, the third of eight children. She got her first teaching job in 1996, in a school for immigrant children in queens New York. That same year, she ran a Sunday school for Jewish public-school children.

She got her B.A. from Touro College and completed her graduate studies at the graduate school for Special Education in Manhattan, New York. She married Daniel Gimpel in 1998 while teaching in an all-boys Jewish orthodox elementary school. In this school, she developed an intervention program for students struggling with ADHD symptoms.   

She and Daniel moved to Israel soon after their marriage. Avigail continued her education there, where she read to children with dyslexia and earned advanced degrees in teaching and cognitive education for children with ADHD symptoms. In 2003, she and her husband, with three small children, moved to Moscow, Russia. There she taught in three different schools and supervised the English department in one of the schools.   

Upon her return to Israel, she immersed herself in studying and developing treatment options for ADHD for her own six kids and many struggling students. She collaborated with her father-in-law, Dr. Amnon Gimpel (psychiatrist and neurologist), and developed a parent training program. She also developed a teacher’s training program. Avigail teaches at Hertzog College and lectures in Israeli schools and to parent groups all over Israel. She works in private practice, training parents to become ADHD coaches to their children, while spouses learn a new love language to communicate with respect.  

She recently published her first book, “HyperHealing,” based on many years of research and practice, both as a mother of children diagnosed with ADHD, as well as a classroom teacher of children struggling with ADHD symptoms.  Her second book, "HyperHealing, Show Me the Science," is expected to be published in the next few months. 

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intro guy: 0:58

Welcome to the Josh Bolton show. Dive interesting and inspiring conversations and now your host Josh Bolton. Hello, how are you doing?

avigal gimpel: 1:16

Made it this time?

Josh Bolton: 1:17

Hey, there she is. Yeah. What time is it over there for you?

avigal gimpel: 1:23

It is just about eight o'clock.

Josh Bolton: 1:27

Oh, so it's not too late. Okay.

avigal gimpel: 1:28

No, no, not at all. And my husband puts the kids to bed when I'm talking to you. So that's perfect. Well done.

Josh Bolton: 1:34

There we go. Get him to do something around the house.

avigal gimpel: 1:38

Yeah, exactly.

Josh Bolton: 1:41

So um, what's, wow, I just like lost all my ideas. Good old ADHD. Um, tell me a little about yourself and what you do?

avigal gimpel: 1:50

Sure. Okay. So first, the most important thing about me is that I'm a mom of six amazing kids, when some of them already adults, which is just hard to imagine. And I'm also working for the last 25 years with ADHD. Started as a young classroom teacher. I'm pretty sure a couple of my brothers had ADHD or remember one of them taking vitamin R as we called it in our house growing up. And then moving on to my students. My my husband. Interestingly, when I met him, he seemed very similar to these students that I was teaching and lo and behold, he himself is like, really off the charts energetic, in a good way, of course, right and, and it's quite genetic ADHD. So most of my kids also have been diagnosed, I actually stopped just taking them to neurologist at some point, like after kid number four, I'm like, I got it. Now, I got this under control. So I am a teacher. I'm a college lecturer I work I teach in two teachers colleges here in Israel. And I also meet people in private practice adults that are struggling with ADHD couples, where one of them has a lot of ADHD symptoms, when it's two of them. It's it's way more challenging. And, you know, I'm, I'm not a miracle worker. So that's an I don't have as much success with that. But with couples, I have had a tremendous amount of success. And I also run parent groups. And I'm now an author of this amazing book, hyper healing. So isn't that nice?

Josh Bolton: 3:30

I love to keep being dragged behind.

avigal gimpel: 3:34

So when I looked at that picture, I said, Well, that could be my kids. And it was it was right during the first Corona lockdown that I chose it and one of my sons who's very talented with his hands, he's he just builds everything. He and his friends were building this car, I call it like a Dr. Seuss construction. And, and they would take it from the top of the hill. He and his and his, like, I feel like he and his friends have one combined brain. And they would take from the top of the hill and race it down the hill, and I'm looking at this picture. I'm like, that could be them. It's just that here, they're all clean. So I went with this one.

Josh Bolton: 4:16

That's awesome. I have many stories of that. Yeah, as a young kid, I just didn't think through the consequences like let's just make a to like a plank of wood. Put some wheels on and go down a hill. Usually Yeah, Rocco flying scraped up. Your grandparents are just like, we can't see we do nothing happened that's too visible, um, slipped and fell.

avigal gimpel: 4:38

I was definitely on many of those what we like to call them go karts. Okay, and you know, very homemade go karts. So my brothers and I, we used to do that and definitely land up in a pile of achy bones at the bottom of the mountain

Josh Bolton: 4:53

with so long and you just snap together. Let's do it again.

avigal gimpel: 4:56

Yeah, totally right back to the top.

Josh Bolton: 4:59

So you just mentioned something earlier. I just want to clarify you said vitamin R was vitamin Ritalin, right? That was vitamin Ritalin. Yeah. Okay. Just make sure they had me on that too when I was younger.

avigal gimpel: 5:09

Uh huh. How did you like it?

Josh Bolton: 5:11

We had to stop it. Like within three days, I was getting all the classic classic symptoms of like a meth addict. I thought there were spiders under my skin trying to trying to pull everything out. So,

avigal gimpel: 5:23

yeah, you're not a candidate?

Josh Bolton: 5:25

No.

avigal gimpel: 5:27

No, you probably actually did better because of that.

Josh Bolton: 5:31

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm the one of the from there. They had me take some weird D drug. It's not dopamine, but it sounds similar to it. And at a young age, again, like 80 pounds in three months.

avigal gimpel: 5:45

Oh, God, it sounds like some kind of antidepressant or something. Yeah, right.

Josh Bolton: 5:49

Yeah. And that's where it was funny. ADHD have been drugged out. I'm like, Oh, I'm just the problem. I gained the weight kind of thing. I didn't know pints anyway. Just drugs. They didn't know better back then.

avigal gimpel: 6:01

Yeah, well, the drug makers did. Well, they did parents didn't.

Josh Bolton: 6:05

Right. So I'm just curious, what you mentioned, like how you have all these different people that come to you, what specifically interested you in coaching, or mentoring or guiding people for ADHD to a, at least a less chaotic go kart down the hill path?

avigal gimpel: 6:24

Right. So it kind of happens. Naturally, it happens kind of, without a plan, really, because I was working with teachers, I was teaching teachers, and a lot of them would come to me after class and say, I have this issue with my husband. And they always said, Let me tell you about someone I know. And then they would tell me the story. And I'm like, is that your husband? Always was right. Oh, my God, I didn't know wow, it's just an old friend of yours, isn't it and that's why you wanted to talk to me. So the so what happened was that people were really searching for help. And what I was noticing was that the sort of help that I was offering through my courses was not available, because you have this kind of one dimensional story with ADHD, is it a neurological disorder or an emotional disorder or a behavioral disorder, and then you're either going with emotional treatment, behavioral might be a dramatic modification, or you're sticking the kid on a drug. But what we were not seeing and this is what I was teaching my college students is we have to look at the root cause for every single person, what's going on with that person. And, and therefore the help that I was offering in my classroom was not something that my students were able to access, I couldn't recommend anyone to them. So I said, Well, come on over and I'll and we'll, we'll have a talk. Let's see what we can work out. And, you know, one after the next I was, you know, thank God very, very successful with my clients, who turned out to be clients, I thought they were students. And and that's and it went from there.

Josh Bolton: 8:03

No, it's very good. Yeah. So what are some of the, the little nuances without giving you a whole course way of the things you You see,

avigal gimpel: 8:11

that's fine. I'm happy to share. Okay. So what I tell me the question again, so that I can really understand what you

Josh Bolton: 8:18

mean. So what are some of the consistent nuances you see in all the clients coming through?

avigal gimpel: 8:25

I see a lot of instant gratification personality. Okay, the here now fun, dangerous novel. And so And nowadays, what I'm seeing a real trend, especially amongst teenagers, I'm seeing a major screen addiction. That, you know, I've been, I've been in this for a while, and that's fairly new. I'm seeing it completely shut people down. And I think that did not the lockdowns and the pandemic did not help with that. But I see, it's not everybody that landed up a screen addicted, we all got a little more screen addicted than we were before the pandemic, right. But for one group of people, most of them instant gratification type of people, which would land up with an ADHD diagnosis. Those guys landed up with a screen addiction. So then we're we piled on a new new thing. But what I do see often is physiological signs, like someone who has asthma or allergies or a constant rashes, or was born by C section or has or has had strep or ear infections a lot as a child. Things like that. headaches, stomach aches, those are things I see often runny noses is a big one, especially with kids. Interesting. Yeah. So those are things that are very connected with ADHD symptoms and are not really looked at. And you also I'm also seeing a lot unfortunately, this is the part that really breaks my heart is I'm seeing a lot of kids that have gone through some kind of trauma or abuse

Josh Bolton: 10:00

Yep, as about the summary of my life too.

avigal gimpel: 10:03

Nice. So there we go. I'm seeing a lot of trends, and people and you and you're saying that you have the same those same trends.

Josh Bolton: 10:11

Yeah. The funny thing for me though, is, it happened to my sister and me. We're not sure about my father, it was too long ago, and he doesn't remember. But uh, when I was I kept getting earaches specifically in this year, and it's funny, I'm kind of half deaf and this year. But if you're I hear more higher frequencies from this one, though. But yeah, then my, I think it was, was either me or my sister. Like the ear canal. Just say, Hannah, like rolled out your tube? Oh, wow. I think I've heard of that. I think the it was my sister. And they got it back in in time. But it was just one of those. Yeah. For some reason. Just, yeah, that's where you should, like lengthen this now to say, Oh, yep, I got that. We got the trunk. Let's go.

avigal gimpel: 10:54

Right. So those are things that if you're just looking at symptoms, which is often diagnosis for ADHD, is diagnosing symptoms, if you're just looking at symptoms, and you have like this hammer nail kind of relationship, ADHD, ADHD symptoms, here, take a pill, then you what you miss is treatment for trauma. And what you miss is treatment for middle ear falling out. And therefore, I have to add that maybe in my next book, I'm gonna use that. But yeah, I'll put your name on it. Thank you. But, but those things, if you miss them, you're not getting to the root cause. And very often a child is going through some kind of abuse or trauma. It's not a behavior issue. They are a healthy person responding appropriately to a really inappropriate situation. So they're calling out for help. There's they look at me, hear me, Listen, I'm making a lot of noise. I'm making trouble so that you pay attention. And what do we do is very, very brilliant. Put together adults, we shut them up. So we've taken their only tool, and we've shut it off. And what have we done? What have we accomplished? So this has to be checked before we ever progress toward anything, any chemical intervention, that might actually cause more hurt than hot than then? Good?

Josh Bolton: 12:16

Very true. Yeah. It's just funny. Like, for me, where I am in my city, is literally where the railroad tracks is, if you live below it, you have to go to the other city over so I went to a more Hispanic campus. And that was the only white kid on the Hispanic campus for the whole area. So the funny thing is, I would always tell the principal, the teachers, like I would say, hey, these people are hurting me this net then I'd said, oh, you know what, let's just throw in comedy, like Robin Williams to see that if they laugh, they have to help me kind of thing, then. Oh, interesting. And it was kind of when I now have really hindsight again, I'm sad and I didn't but uh, one of those Yeah, I got the shit kicked out of me verbally, mentally just thrashed and. And then they're like, Oh, you're the weird one, not

avigal gimpel: 13:03

us. Right? Like as though the problem lives inside your head. Right.

Josh Bolton: 13:09

So head all the way through junior high, that didn't help and then high school. It's kind of got more clarity, more grounding, because I took martial arts. Good for you. It really was a good grounding agent for me. And pretty much from there. I've now been cleaned up the drugs. Three years. Yes, I haven't taken a stabilizing pill or whatever, in three years. Now.

avigal gimpel: 13:36

I wonder how that process was of getting off the drugs. That's usually a killer.

Josh Bolton: 13:42

Apparently, a lot of guests have told me they're like you shouldn't you shouldn't advocate people just go cold turkey. Oh, you

avigal gimpel: 13:47

must do that with a doctor. No, no one no one should go cold turkey. Well, I was me for you, I guess.

Josh Bolton: 13:54

Well, I've already was questioning it. I had a weird event where I went to Idaho and it kind of stuck up there for like two months. And like the last two weeks, I didn't have my drugs at all. So I was literally taking them every other day just to pace it out. And it was just one of those a certain points the days when I wasn't taking them what I actually feel really good kind of thing. And I'm literally in a farm in middle of nowhere in a hill towns like 20 miles south. So even if I went crazy, no one's gonna know. And that's when I'm like, Hmm, maybe Drugs aren't the answer.

avigal gimpel: 14:26

So that's remarkable.

Josh Bolton: 14:27

And then when I was going to the doctor, because it was taking will be trained Topamax and Vyvanse. What that's Yeah, yeah. So I think

avigal gimpel: 14:41

and no one's ever checked how they interact with each other. No.

Josh Bolton: 14:45

And that's where the the Indian doctor pretty much pulled me aside like, well, he didn't pull me aside he more like we shifted. Very professional never say bad word. And he pretty much said Josh. My guess sir. He's like, how long have you been on this shit by the way? mainly right there before you finish the sense of like, I need to get off this now. Because he's like your brain should be much like you shouldn't be functioning the way it's firing, as we said, one of them's essentially, because he asked, like, do you have seizures? I'm like, no, he's like, one of the drugs, he's you're taking his anti seizure, side effect, anti depressant. The other one is a mood stabilizer. But with the other one, it's a mood amplifier, and slowing you down. And the other one's just speed. So your slow emotional fast at the same time. And I'm like, right, in the center going? Right, I'm going to quit.

avigal gimpel: 15:39

Well, good for you.

Josh Bolton: 15:40

And then, for me, I just did a lot of research, I went to this local herb shop and bought a lot of herbal pills had to explain it. And then that gave me a good like, landing pad was still a little rough, but it wasn't like I completely cut my parachute. And we're like, let's do this.

avigal gimpel: 15:59

Right. I, I've had clients go off of all sorts of drugs, not with me. I'm not a doctor, right. But with, you know, I was taking the journey with them beside them with a doctor. And that's a very important thing that this is not something you could land up with. You can land up with seizures, or with severe depression, or with suicidal ideation or suicidality, if you don't do that carefully, so that is everybody should hear that.

Josh Bolton: 16:31

Yeah. So don't do what Josh does. He's a very locality attached as that's like a sure I'm really convinced. And we I should make that a shirt. Don't do it justice.

avigal gimpel: 16:39

I'm sure there are other things. Josh, does that are pretty awesome.

Josh Bolton: 16:43

Yeah. So I'm just curious now is for ADHD, do you see people who have more of like a creative, imaginative mind? Or is that like a, like a some party in the other party?

avigal gimpel: 17:00

No, I just see that a lot. I see that a tremendous amount, I actually see a lot of frustrated creative minds. And I often see that that's kind of because of a curse. I know that a curse is a strong word. But when someone is very, is told that they're very talented, or very creative, then they must be talented and creative all the time. And if you're kind of an instant gratification person, and you jump from thing to thing, then you're never completing projects. And you're always feeling like a failure, which makes people that creative people like that shy away from their creativity. And so that's what I landed up doing. And I try to walk them back to their creativity. But taking it from a place of humility, of taking one step at a time of, you don't have to be brilliant and creative. You just have to enjoy it, you have to choose it because it feels right for you. And take that one step at a time. I know I'm sounding a little bit 12 step here, but it actually works out. Because if you if you love music, but when you start playing the piano, it sounds terrible. If you're the type of person that's I'm creative, I'm supposed to touch it. And it's supposed to be natural for me, and I'm supposed to be amazingly brilliant at it, you're not going to touch it a second time. But if you say I am drawn to music, and therefore every day, I'm going to get a little better at music and I don't have to be talented, creative and incredibly amazing. I could just be a regular person practicing that person with the ADHD symptoms is going to go away father further than your regular old Joe Schmo on the street. He's gonna do great. Right. Do you see that? Also, do you see that people with ADHD I have more creativity?

Josh Bolton: 18:47

Yeah. You see that? They're firing constantly. So they're they're taking in information like this is even on the heavy stuff that was slowing me down. Oh, so good. I'm not COVID No, no, I already had it. Yeah. Illinois, I got COVID Back in December. That's actually why I started. December 2020. But, um, essentially, Hey, did you get that weird BC beta or whatever? One. I came out with a Greek letter.

avigal gimpel: 19:18

I had the British variant, I believe. And then I got the Omicron as well.

Josh Bolton: 19:23

Oh, okay. I haven't gotten that since December.

avigal gimpel: 19:27

The other Omicron is really easy. I bet.

Josh Bolton: 19:31

So um, yeah, but I noticed for ADHD people, they're very creative, like, well, I'll use my sister for a good example. She's very good at analyzing situations and crafting a story for that. So but she uses it more posture and like blend in. Like for me, I'm more of a strategist. So I see the game pieces moving and be like, oh, I need to be here. Kind of thing.

avigal gimpel: 19:59

Wow, that's awesome. And you know why that is, if we're talking about instant gratification personality, it's because you notice every, all the details. So when we talk about ADHD somehow was described as a negative thing, where you can't focus on one thing, but actually we need those people who notice everything, because those people are going to keep us safer. Often those soldiers are we want soldiers who can pan the surroundings and notice everything that's going on. And you also are much more creative, you engage with your environment much more quickly. And that would be an inventor or an entrepreneur or startup person or you know that and those kind of people that are much more curious about their environment. If you're more curious, you're gonna land up with a lot more great ideas. And and that brings out that creativity in you.

Josh Bolton: 20:52

Yeah, and but like, for me, the biggest part for me to global myself and not always right, the instant gratification tunnel, is I read a book called Thinking Fast and Slow.

avigal gimpel: 21:03

I have not read it yet, but I will.

Josh Bolton: 21:05

It's a very long lecture, but it's very good. And that was one of those. He explains how he uses the analogy system one is emotion system two is logic. system one can override system two, but two can't override one. And then quick Cliff Notes summary essentially says but if you want to override one, so logic to override emotion, breathe 10 seconds in hold for 10 Breathe out for 10 for a cycle of 10 and I was just like one of those just after I read that chapter with coincidences random lady I don't exactly like dealing with came to my job. So like, instant you could feel the negativity just entering the room. That's how bad she was. So she started yelling at me for no reason. I just did that right in front of her. She just looks like a completely crazy like, Alright, I'm not emotional. That works. Okay, what did you need again?

avigal gimpel: 22:04

That's amazing. She just thought you were totally nuts.

Josh Bolton: 22:07

She's like, No, I'm good. And just washed away. But yeah, but that was just like that book really put it in perspective for me like, Okay, I may still get the impulses here and there, but it's not going to be anything crazy. And, and to set simple anchoring kind of goals, like, Okay, I need to head this direction. If I accidentally deviate over here, it's okay. I'll eventually get back. So what are some tricks you'd give that you give to your clients to with ADHD, for focusing on goals.

avigal gimpel: 22:40

So I always have them choose one goal at a time, not the whole day. And that's very important, because we want to set people up for success. So we would choose one routine, you know, getting up in the morning or going to bed at night. Because we have to remember that instant gratification does not do well, it's routine. Because you're here, you know that you're shaking your head here, because you know that you're looking for the novelty and the interesting. And there's nothing interesting about a routine. So therefore, you're not getting you're not developing healthy habits. So it's always I'm always amazed how was my kids when they were little, I'd wake them up in the morning, and every morning, they were like in shock. Like, Hey, guys, you've got to know that we wake up every morning at the same time. This is something we've been doing for a long time. But for them, unless they had never developed a habit because it was not it was nothing fun going on. But we're going on a trip that day. They're the first ones up and they're making the sandwiches in the in the in the kitchen before I even before I even you know opened my first eye. So therefore what I'm my goal is to help my clients and my students develop one habit at a time. And the way we do that is by imposing external interests and novelty meaning prizes. And so therefore, an adult's could do this, too. I have worked with adults all the time, where they have a very hard time, especially especially with women have a hard time getting the house in order. And we make a 40 minute routine. And that's it, you don't get to clean for the rest of the day, you just do this 40 minute routine, and you're done. Because if they're not, they're never doing 40 minutes a day, they're doing either six hours in one day. And then and then that's it, they're done for the month, or they're doing a little bit here and there but they're always frustrated. So therefore if we get a 40 minute a day routine going, then what I do is I give them a choice of prizes that they give themselves but they have to give it to themselves. Take yourself to a restaurant go out to for a coffee with a friend by yourself those booths that seem too expensive, but we get that done and the routine and they have to have somebody that they work with either with me as their coach or they're working with her with a friend, a spouse, a sibling, and then they They, they have someone to be accountable to. And then they get that that habit. And it has to go on for at least a month because it takes a month for brain to create a new habit. So that's something that I work with a lot.

Josh Bolton: 25:14

That's too funny for me during the heat of lockdowns and I was still working at a local grocery store at midnight kind of thing, and a certain point because it got to the like, for me it was like the enticing show, just take the government money and go home. I'm like, no principle is keep working kind of thing.

avigal gimpel: 25:33

But I'm like, Okay, we're the only American who said that. Right? Are you seems like it apparently. That's it. That was the only see you made a good follow Josh. He's the only one who made the ethical decision well done. Well, I just

Josh Bolton: 25:47

sitting there like at home going, like, if I stayed at home, I'd get cabin fever within a day. Then I drive everyone insane trying to think of some weird batshit crazy ideas to do. So I just kept working, but my thing was like, okay, because I get my days are very random when I'm off. So it's like so however long of a stretch you work, when you finish it, you can go by yourself, like your favorite burrito from a burger joint kind of thing.

avigal gimpel: 26:12

Well, you intuited my program.

Josh Bolton: 26:14

Seen here? I'm like, wow, I thought it was like the original I figured it out. Apparently not.

avigal gimpel: 26:19

I didn't figure it out. either. I got it from Alan caston. From his book, and he has a lot of other great stuff in there highly recommended.

Josh Bolton: 26:29

I don't think so. Okay, I'll look him up, too. But yeah, that was just, it's interesting. So what else do you do? Do you like have like a checklist system or more of like a buddy's checking in program that you do?

avigal gimpel: 26:42

I definitely anyone I work with has to have a buddy. Okay, and I train that buddy to be the buddy. And, and the person, the person picks that person. But we do certain to certain routines, like, like, you know, if you have something coming your way, let's say people with ADHD symptoms tend to forget, appointments, Muslim, lose things, stuff like that. So according to the person, we will create a routine. So one of them is the calendar routine, where you have to freeze in your space, anytime something new comes up, you just got a wedding invitation, Stop where you are, no matter what's going on. And you put that on your calendar. And not only that, whenever, let's say your you have to fold the laundry, you know, you have to fold the laundry today. So I would say to that person, find a slot in your calendar to put it in. And you might not get it done at that slot. But I want it committed to a time. And it's okay to not get it done in that time. And then when I have people do after they've throughout the day filled in their calendar, I make them do a check in, in the morning, in the afternoon in the evening, before they go to bed to see what's before they go to bed is to check tomorrow and to see how well they did today. And it's not in order to criticize themselves, it's order to only congratulate and move the things you didn't get done to tomorrow. That's it. So grounding a person is very, very helpful. Other things then we look at people's habits what let's say for example, my husband is not great with travel time, he just deletes it. So if we have to be, let's say, you know, we're in Queens, and we've got to get to the city. Are you are you a New Yorker? You're not a

Josh Bolton: 28:26

New Yorker, California, but anyway going forth.

avigal gimpel: 28:28

Alright, you know, alright, fine. So I'm clearly in New Yorker. And so we got to get from Queens to New York City, he will get we have to be there at 1230. So he'll leave at 12 T, because that seems reasonable. So for him, we would work on calculating travel time, we have to go here, stop freezing your space and put into your calendar exit time, not just the time of the event that you want to get to. So each person has their own their own routines that they have to work on. And some people's routines are at night, every night room saying to themselves, what they succeeded at out loud. And that's another extremely important routine. Yeah, that's very

Josh Bolton: 29:14

good. Um, as I'm kind of chuckling over here because like, for me, I thought the same thing because my martial arts Studios is like 2030 minutes if there's like bad traffic, and I would always just be like, five minutes right before the class started. Like okay, we could drive and make it in time and everyone's like, No. Even if we go 100 All the way we won't make it in time.

avigal gimpel: 29:37

So we used to have a game we played in the car we love taking the kids out on hikes and that's another part of my program. That best thing for an ADHD brain is nature is the best thing for all of our brains is nature. I don't particularly have ADHD but I love getting out on a hike and we don't go to malls and we do not go to bowling alleys and and all that Other overly, you know, created spaces with a lot of light and noise. We go out to nature, which is quiet and wonderful. And so on the way back we that we played a game in the car where we would my husband and I would each Guess how long was this is pretty ways like things were a lot funner before ways we got lost a lot, but we also got to play games. So we would guess I would say we're going to get home at 715. And he'd be like, we're going to be home by 625 Children is very optimistic. And I was always right. But the kids like they were I had a couple of kids who kind of felt like they had to be on dad's team, no matter what. And I'm like, you just keep losing. Because only mom understands time. But we had a good time with it.

Josh Bolton: 30:47

That's funny. It's very true. Like for me. Like I was saying that 30 minutes, but didn't five. I briefly now be Cinder. And it's funny how you brought up the calendar thing isn't everyone I just intuitively picked up. I write in everything, okay, like I write in a block of just filled sleep from my brain when I see as I Oh, I'm supposed to be driving by the time that I gray bars kicking in on the Google Calendars kind of thing. And it's it got to the point, I was super busy. I had to schedule in a restroom break my own calendar, just to go to the restroom, or I would forget.

avigal gimpel: 31:20

Wow. So I know people have to schedule an eating. Yeah. Which is not my challenge. I'd never forget to eat. I don't understand that.

Josh Bolton: 31:29

Well, like, out of sight out of mind. That was for me the longest time if I didn't see food, I wasn't hungry. And then I could go. I mean, it wasn't unhealthy, but like an 18 hour fast. Because it's just like I'm just working away. And that's this is

avigal gimpel: 31:44

actually this value and water fasting for 18 hours there is but that I've done a number of times, even four or five days I've done water fasts, but that's that's, you know, to cleanse the gut, which is another part of the program, of course, right? Is the major gut cleansing, which goes such a long way, especially for little kids. But you know, if you catch them when they're runny nose, strep throat, he kind of constantly on antibiotics that when they're three, and you you change it, you turn their diet around them, they don't land up falling in their faces when they gets first grade.

Josh Bolton: 32:24

Yeah. So the gut, are we talking about probiotics, right?

avigal gimpel: 32:29

That's one of it. Yeah, sure. But there are I have a program where we were adding certain things and we're taking certain things out. It's very, very well organized in the books like easy to follow, but not easy to implement. And that's people get very intimidated by that chapter. Because it's it's pretty intense. Like I want you taking out gluten and dairy and sugar. But slowly, slowly, one step at a time, I really believe in that. And it took my family a long time to get to that. But we want to clean, we want to clean out the the things that are actually causing our gut microbes to be kind of uni dimensional. They're not they don't have lots and lots of different types of gut microbes, microbes. And we also want to add things that will be helpful like probiotics, and and also natural, real food probiotics, which are easy to prepare, really easy. I mean that and, and vitamin D, which is essential for gut health. I remember a doctor saying to me once Well, we're not seeing the connection between vitamin D and healthy bones. And therefore you don't actually really need to have a healthy vitamin D level. And I'm like, What about the gut, which has no connection? Okay, I'm going to find myself a new doctor. But we need vitamin D, and especially if someone has this this thing we see a lot with ADHD, constipation, and we need magnesium, magnesium and probiotics. They say they save the day. So it's very individualized. But there are things that everybody's got to do. And drinking a ton of water. I see you laughing at the constipation good for you

Josh Bolton: 34:17

have no because I know it's not as bad as GABA, you have a good multicap vitamin, and I'm exercising and drinking a lot of water. Yeah. Like he got to the point was a running joke in the family that when I would take a shape it would like shut down the sewer system. It was so dense and so big. Under like Josh, did you take a Nirwana toilet, it's not going down what he's doing,

avigal gimpel: 34:42

if we're already talking about your body and your bodily functions, is supposed to be doing that twice a day. That was barely once a day. Oh my god, no. So you need it up it probiotics, tons of magnesium. It's great stuff. It's really helpful and Different things are needed for different people.

Josh Bolton: 35:02

But now that I have, because I'm working out more, it's actually for you. I work out with my mom too. We're doing like a Pilates yoga thing. It's intense.

avigal gimpel: 35:10

Wow, my daughter is actually a yoga trainer. She's, she's one of my ADHD ones. And I mean, they pretty much all arm. She's just adorable. And she started dancing at the age of five. And this is something I recommend as well, you've got to get moving, you've got to do exercise. But ballet, and yoga are specifically brilliant for ADHD, because it's not just getting your body going and therefore getting a good dopamine flow. You're also learning discipline through your body. It's hard to learn discipline in the classroom. It's great to learn discipline, when you're moving your body and you have to stay in one position for a long time. I tried yoga, I'm way too hyper for it. But I'm more of a CrossFit verson that's exactly my language. I like it because it's the list. I'm like a mom. So I love like getting a bunch of things done one. So I'm just checking off those things. And I'm beating everybody because I could run through the supermarket faster than everybody to because I'm a mom. So So CrossFit is my thing, but the yoga has given her so much discipline and you see it in all areas the emotional, the psychological, the mental everything is pulled together by her ability to to do the ballet and the yoga.

Josh Bolton: 36:30

It's very true like for me when I did the martial arts, when I was like around 12 or 13 I was the angry I was Yeah, I was angry like

avigal gimpel: 36:38

well you also being bullied let's not forget

Josh Bolton: 36:40

Yeah. Yeah, I took out the bullies i for like three days it gave him a black eye for three days. That was awesome. But I'm high five. Well that metaphorical. But no, that's like same thing for me like for martial arts. In the beginning it was the very militaristic hold your horse stance hold this. And we all knew going in because my instructor and I've told him he's never diagnosed. I'm like, Dude, you so have ADHD, because you might go from one topic Amelie to another faster than I could

avigal gimpel: 37:10

ever think about the kata. And in karate. You really have to remember something and you have to be disciplined with it. You got to be good at it in order to get the next belt is exactly what the ADHD brain needs.

Josh Bolton: 37:24

And yeah, and that's where like for me, like I said, ADHD, he said it was a 30 minute class, we all knew it was one hour to two hour class. And, and it was just like, we were hopeful, like little kids like maybe today he'll do it at 30 minutes. But no, in this just one of those. Like recently, I'm trying to go for my third degree black belt in the system. And

avigal gimpel: 37:50

wow, I've been at yellow and Judo squared q.

Josh Bolton: 37:56

That's very cool. Um, I yeah, I've been doing this for 15 years. Unless we're my instructors, like you've been doing this 15 you need you need to be at least third or fourth degree. And I'm like, well, fourth degree, I kinda have to commit my life to martial arts. So let's, let's you for third and navy. We'll see what happens after that.

avigal gimpel: 38:14

But super impressive. Good for you. But and

Josh Bolton: 38:17

again, it ties back to like, the reason I struggled to get my even my black belt to It was right before COVID Even like was known, was 2019 I was going through my black belt. But I was still on the heavy drugs. So it was one of those I I forced it like muscle memory so I can get through the test. But like my ma instructor knew it, but he's like, that's not going to work for your next rank. So he's like, we're gonna have to like this were when I was dabbling with the idea of getting off drugs. And that's where once I got off, he literally is like, dude, the world's your oyster. Now let's just like keep pumping everything in my head. Cuz you're a chicken. I'm Britt.

avigal gimpel: 39:00

So my son is, is in militaries, the combat soldier, which does not allow for pleasant night sleeps for his mother. But he is I see how the workout and the discipline of the army has been also brilliant for him. And he consistently work as an ox. He's consistently working out three, four times a week and he's running. And you see, it matured his brain and his personality. It's unbelievable. Yeah, and please, please pray for his safety thing.

Josh Bolton: 39:34

I will. We all will whoever else is listening. Yeah, that that's intense. It but I believe in your country, though, is a mandatory at least two years, right.

avigal gimpel: 39:48

It's a mandatory draft and it's two years and eight months. He just hit the halfway point and the minute he's done, son number two goes in the girls The girls do not have a mandatory draft, the girls can either choose to do nothing or to do some kind of service, you know, service to the country, which my girls both did for two years. And I'm very proud of them for that, but it's less nerve racking, you know, they're, they're in a kindergarten, or they're in a high school for kids at risk. And you know, things like that. I'm like, I could do that. I could make them a birthday party where they are. But you know, the military's, a little bit more scary and where I come from, there's no such thing as you know, having a desk job you, you got to be on the frontlines in order to be even considered a soldier. So not only are your mandatory draft, you also have to choose the most dangerous part of the mandatory draft. So I'm very proud of him. And nurses all hell all the time.

Josh Bolton: 40:49

But, I mean, I'm not even a like a parent, or we're like, metaphorical a mother, but I would if someone I truly loved was in that situation, I'd be, I'd be sitting there going like, Okay, are you okay? Okay, the phone says is still moving. All right, we're good.

avigal gimpel: 41:04

So he only calls me after an incursion or an operation, you know, so that he doesn't like, he doesn't ruin what my mood knowing that he's going to a dangerous spot. He lets me know afterwards. And then it's just a story, and I could handle it.

Josh Bolton: 41:23

Oh, man. So what are some other things that you've just some interesting stories with your clients that have come up?

avigal gimpel: 41:34

Well, I find that the more I speak to my clients, the more we're able to dig down to what's really, really happening with them. And and what I find most fascinating is when we're able to connect a behavior that they have now to a single sentence that was said to them years before, like, I have one client who has a very hard time finishing things, she'll always leave one thing out, and I'll show she will clean the kitchen and just leave like the one mug in the in the sink on washed or fold all the laundry except for the socks. And it was kind of curious because she was actually getting to a place where she was really being very efficient and effective. But there was that one thing, and then I said, Okay, this is emotional. Let's dig back. What does that have to do with your passage as well, I do remember that, that my mother used to say to me, You always forget one thing. So she says, You know, when I'm cleaning up, I have a little battle of like, am I gonna? Am I gonna do that one last thing, but she had kind of been, her mother had established who she was. And therefore, it was very hard for her to break through until she was able to say wait, I'm not that person. My mother was wrong. I'm actually the efficient, effective person. And she was she was seeing things in her own mind that had to do with her own story having nothing to do with me. I'm actually quite good at this. And then she was able to finally you know, get rid of that behavior which made her so crazy.

Josh Bolton: 43:13

Wow. No, it's like for me like the reason I'm just like in awe of that story. Because I would did not expect that turn. For me at a young age that the high school with no sorry, not the high school to elementary of all the Hispanic stuff. Where they were hurting me it was a certain point I looked at like MIT like think of like a really giant bonsai tree this weird Willow kept growing and like circles. And I would look up at in every day, I just stare at it and just kind of like internally cursed because like, Why the hell do you even try? Like, what did you do to protect me? And and it was just one of the kids that he's like, you know, you're just one tough son. Like, we're kids. We didn't actually say it that way. But he's like, You're one tough kid. You almost like a warrior. You don't know when to submit. And it was just one of those. It kind of clicked. I mean, it's not been a bad thing for me. But then later on in junior high. I was getting teased for my teeth. Because they grew in very, my baby teeth were still somehow in my adult came into it. Oh

avigal gimpel: 44:17

my gosh, you had that too. You looked like a whale, didn't you? Yeah, like a shark. My God. I was like a shark. I was like the funniest looking teenager for the same reason. Like early teenager, they like the teeth were crazy.

Josh Bolton: 44:29

And so a lot of people are like teasing me like, oh, you're a monster you can bite our throat. So I started thoroughly believing it now recently. I've gotten rid of that. I don't believe it. That's good. But it was one of those just like that. Always being told that but then a kind of like a crush like Junior High crush like this is like the idol at the time. No one else matters. She pretty much said pulled me aside and says no woman will actually love you.

avigal gimpel: 44:58

Oh God That's it.

Josh Bolton: 45:02

You destroyed me Now recently, am i Dude, you're fine. She was just doing that to mess with you. But yeah, that that messed me up for a long time.

avigal gimpel: 45:11

Right so that's something that I work on a lot these what I call curses from your child to people telling you we mentioned that before with with, with people needing to be the talented kids needing to be perfectly talented all the time instead of being able to take it one step at a time and be able to develop their talents. So the same thing is we hear messages growing up, you're the hyper one your while no one will ever love you. You're always lying all of these sentences, you've got ADHD is another sentence because that means that something is living in your brain, that that's bad about you. And none of that is true. None of it's true. And when we have to identify the curses and and change the story, we have to remove the curses by actually going inside and seeing who we really are. And, and it's a real journey, but it's a very worthwhile journey and something that when I can do successfully with with adults, their lives really changed dramatically for the better.

Josh Bolton: 46:12

Oh, 100% Yeah, same for me as I'm like, I'm like she could see it. Everyone else can't. There's a pile of books in on my shelf. I see it. It was one of those I read. I used to always tell myself, Oh, I'm not a reader. I don't like books. And then during the heat of lockdown, especially going to work and I am like, you know, I like my books to my ears. I'd like podcasts anyway. So I'm watching to just listen to a book. I think in the last two years, I've consumed like 150 books now.

avigal gimpel: 46:43

Wow, the guy that yeah, the guy didn't like to read, I had the same thing was math. My high school principals said, Listen, you're just not good at math. Just drop it. And I'm like, okay, great. You know, if you're telling a 10th grader to drop math, when you know, she's, you know, that's like a dream come true. Except that he also cursed me by saying, you're not good at math, your brain doesn't do math. And when I went to college, and you have to take math in college, so I took a math course. And no matter what was going on, nothing convinced me that I was good at math. And all the people were cheating off of my test. And like, of course I told them, you know, Hey, guys, we all have different tests. So you're all going to fail, if you cheat off my tests, but I kept getting hundreds while they're fine. I warn them in advance. But I didn't want them to kill me understand. So it was a community college. No, it wasn't like, this was not Harvard. So basically, but no matter what, nothing could shatter the the curse. You're just you're you don't do math well, until I went through that process of changing it.

Josh Bolton: 47:51

So I'm gonna say I actually had a very similar one at a young elementary age. For me, it is true, it's hard for me to visually process like actual pictures. It's more like if you say Apple, I more see the silhouette of the Apple logo than the actual detailed read with the the gloss and the shine and a little green stem and leaf. I don't see that I just see the Apple logo. So like for math, it was they say do this problem. The rudimentary one plus one equals two, I got that. But it's like count, multiplying when it gets more than 100. Essentially, the wall I'm trying to think of the box see, it's not coming up. But essentially any basic multiplication or division, I couldn't do it, I would I would always need a calculator. And that's where when I teachers, Cramer said, Oh, you're okay at math, but you probably just need a calculator and said,

avigal gimpel: 48:44

Well, that was nice that they did that. And the truth is, is a different way of thinking with numbers. And a lot of people need numbers explained in different way I remember sitting with my younger brother, who was not getting the multiplication table at all, just wasn't penetrating. And I went out and bought a big giant jar of gumballs. And, and I taught him Gumball math without ever saying it was multiplication or math. We just were like we just discussed the gumballs. And then at some point I broke it to him that he had just figured out the the the multiplication tables, and he's got it and now we then we translate, but without the gumballs he didn't get it. And that's not less intelligent. That's a different way of processing.

Josh Bolton: 49:29

Yeah. It seems to me like when I was in high school, I was in this one. My my teacher at the time was taking a college class and for me, I did something and I finished everything early. And I'm usually not the overachiever again. I was labeled as lazy procrastinating kid so me finishing early was worse. Yeah, it was. So the teachers just like handed me her a copy. She made a copy of her homework and she wanted me to hear you do this. So what I'm doing anyways, it's really hard for me so we definitely hard for you I finished that. And I did her actual homework for her geometry made so much sense. But just simple multiplication, I had no clue what to do.

avigal gimpel: 50:09

Now that says a different processing and we so quick to label ourselves and put ourselves down instead of saying, wait a second, maybe I need to learn this differently.

Josh Bolton: 50:21

And that was just one of those stupid the teacher made a deal. She's like, I don't I'm not good at geometry. Never have been probably never will be but she's like, how about I give you an extra like, X amount of points per day for doing my homework for me and I'm like, kooky. So she, she they come over with her paper like I cut 100% I'm like, Oh, cool. And I got 100%. Let's do this.

avigal gimpel: 50:45

Amazing. Hey, you said you talk about about business right about Yeah. Yeah. So is that because you're quite you understand this kind of thing.

Josh Bolton: 50:55

Like it was that math? Like I mentioned earlier how I see the puzzles the gears moving that most can't it was during the lockdown. And I was trying. I was trying to figure out the march 2020 crash why some people were dancing in the street like it's best thing Sensex, and some are crying like bills a little bit in the room with Mike. It can't be that bad. What's going on? So it started the whole journey. Which what happened? Oh, that's a trading event and went bad. What's trading? Oh, it's you're buying a business. But what's business? It's mindset. Okay, but what's mindset, spirituality? So it's just one of those. Like, huh. So I decided that Mike was let's really learn what businesses then go into mindset and go into the other one. And that's when I realized, like, wow, my brain really works well with this. The multi layer dimensions, keeping tabs on everything. And I'm like, huh, so that's, that's where I hyper focused in on that.

avigal gimpel: 51:49

Nice. That's really interesting.

Josh Bolton: 51:53

Yeah, it was it was a interesting story. But now Now I like I've had a couple of like, CEOs of companies of publicly traded companies come on, and we're chatting, and they're like, you're 28. And I'm, like, 4050. And you're just learned at 28? What I learned at 50. So like, kid, you're going far?

avigal gimpel: 52:16

From their mouth to god's ear, right? Oh, yeah.

Josh Bolton: 52:20

And it was just great. And then I had like, a, he wasn't the CEO, but he was like the regional manager of like Florida for a really big company called UBS. And that's where we were just chatting, because it's a trading and investing company. I tell him like, oh, yeah, like when whatever event happened, I'd buy buy at this signal and sell this signal. And he's like, that's taken hedge fund managers years to figure out that sequence and you just learned a what, like, a year ago, I knew, like, six months ago, I've just been perfecting it for the last six months. He's like, What the heck, he's like, Dude, you're going, he's like, Do you need a job? I can pay you for trading. I'm like, I raincheck on that thing. But um, that's where like, it's now it's something because like, most of my life, I believed, like everything I did. Wasn't enough. I never had anything. I could hold the call my own. Like, now this is like, no one cannot be like, they're like, my own boss has been he asked me questions about management. And I tell him like, dude, I'm a janitor kind of thing. Like, technically, I shouldn't be giving you advice.

avigal gimpel: 53:30

So I think that's a great story. really inspiring.

Josh Bolton: 53:34

Thank you. I'm just curious, how long do I got you for?

avigal gimpel: 53:37

How whatever you'd like, what other questions do you have for me?

Josh Bolton: 53:42

Um, so I got like, three going out questions for you. Other than other than work? I'm gonna say there's a lot jobs within this, David, um, what have you been doing to keep yourself busy during these lockdown times?

avigal gimpel: 53:56

Oh, so Mike, you know, we were all six of the kids and us were locked up at home. And so we started doing CrossFit together on our front lawn. And so that was a lot of fun, because I was suddenly the trainer, which is not my husband's a marathon runner, but I was the trainer. And that was really fun. And we also decided to do a YouTube channel. It was for my work, but the whole family got involved. My daughter did the makeup and another daughter chose clothing and my kids would like, discuss with me the topics I was I was gonna say and they all edited together. So it just looks like this is me talking on YouTube. It's called hyper healing mom. And so I put out I think I once the lockdowns lifted. I stopped putting out any videos because that was our family project. We also with the kids, we did a riot of a video we did like spoofs on the whole family. My husband's family has Two Brothers. So we did one of these great videos like making fun of acting out all the different families and my in laws. And that was that was a fantastic project. We're still laughing about that. But we did a lot of creative things together. And when we were finally permitted to leave, we had we were allowed to leave our house 200 meters and that first lockdown. I don't know if it was that strict anywhere else. But once.

Josh Bolton: 55:30

It was like obviously here in California, specifically where I am in LA Los Angeles County. Only just recently they alleviated the lockdown rules.

avigal gimpel: 55:39

La what is insane? LA's were so insane about LA is the like with all of their torturing of their citizens. They didn't do better at COVID than anybody else. It's like, what do you do that for you did much worse than everyone else. So Israel Israel was was pretty bad at the beginning. Slowly but surely they did lift and people have gotten back to almost normal at this point. But we did get out into nature a bunch. Once we got once we were allowed to leave like 500 meters. So we'd like you know, we keep counting 500 meters every 500 meters. And we landed up really discovering the mountains behind our house. We live in a beautiful area. And it's in the Judean mountains. So we we usually we'd get in the car to go on a hike. But this time, we figured if we're going by foot, nobody is going to arrest us for being too far away from our house and a mountain on a mountain I should say. So we did a lot of that as well.

Josh Bolton: 56:37

We were actually full on arresting people.

avigal gimpel: 56:40

Oh my god. Yeah, my honor about this at all. My daughter has a ticket which she has not yet paid for getting on to a bus with her with her math down. And so she she has a she has a ticket, which would be an equivalent about $150 or six but it's not like debt. She's She has she's not I mean, she as a teenager, it's a little bit because it's you know, she doesn't make very much money and she's also doing her national service. So so the country's paying her about $2 a day and and then slapping her with $150 tickets. So it's no Yeah, they were very strict here. There wasn't it wasn't arrests, it was much more very high fines for all sorts of things. That's what they

Josh Bolton: 57:27

were doing here in LA for the longest time. Finally, the cops are just like, Screw it. Why are we doing this kind of thing.

avigal gimpel: 57:34

So no, no one no one did that. Here. They just finally it became like, Okay, now officially we're stopping. But until the country said time to stop. They were they were given they were making loads of money on the poor terrorized civilians. And now none of that helped. Also Israel did not do we were the first to vaccinate. We were the first to give the force vaccine. We are weird champion vaccinators and. And we didn't do very well either.

Josh Bolton: 58:05

Yeah, there was no, there's no right answer to this to COVID

avigal gimpel: 58:08

now, but terrorizing your citizens is probably not a good way. In my opinion.

Josh Bolton: 58:14

Obviously, but at least I always talk shit about Australia. Cuz it's like, with COVID they lock everything down. Yeah, they're crazy. At least the more terrorizing them like Israel, Mike. It's one of those like, wow, yeah, there is no answer.

avigal gimpel: 58:30

No, no, Australians is way more terror than Israel.

Josh Bolton: 58:34

Oh, we just didn't we didn't hear about it too. Yeah, no, no,

avigal gimpel: 58:37

Israel, it was manageable here. There were there were certain things like, Okay, you can't go into the mall. Alright, I can live with that. But there was no, there was never a vaccine mandate, which they have in Australia, it was just very, very highly recommended. And if you didn't want to do it, then you had to choose to just not do participate it no no. Or you can go get a test and and that would allow you and lets you want to take the kids to the movies, and you don't want to vaccinate your children. You can have them all tested, and then go to the movie of 24 hours to do a bunch of fun things. You know, so guys, we're going ice skating, going to the movies, and we're going to jump you know, or we're going to jump on trampolines. And like these squish it all into 124 hour period and we're not sleeping because we paid for all you guys to get tests so so there were ways to get around certain things you know, getting on an airplane, you could do it by getting a test. No, it didn't touch the toes of Australia and and here they never ever did mandates but it was highly uncomfortable but not not nearly like Austria or Australia or California for that matter.

Josh Bolton: 59:43

Oh, see. We're our own special unit and of ourselves. Yeah, the only way they couldn't pull off is they really wanted to do a force mandate of vaccines out here. And I just I sat there I'm like there's no, there's no way you could pull it off because Northern California is its own special unit. It's like Texas, but just north of us. And then you have us. So it's like, yeah, this is not going to work.

avigal gimpel: 1:00:09

So it wouldn't have worked here either. So it's dangerous, because there are people that are anaphylactic, and things like that, like it's a dangerous thing to do.

Josh Bolton: 1:00:19

I mean, I did all the vaccines, because I just want to move about the camera freely, mostly just make my parents feel better. But yeah, I was one of those I knew someone actually, she will probably be on permanent disability because she got the vaccine, like, she got COVID like three times in a row, and it was fine. Like, she survived that she got the vaccine, and she went half paraplegic,

avigal gimpel: 1:00:43

oh my god, that is awful. And it was one of those,

Josh Bolton: 1:00:46

I sat there. And I'm like, What the heck just happened here. Where I, it was tragic. So that's where, again, I got lucky, I did all the stuff. Nothing bad happened to me. But I know, some really messed up stories for other people. So um, other than that, what is a, like, let's say someone is aspiring to be like you very successful mom runs her own business and have multiple events, what are some tips, tricks or advice you give them to start down that path? Well, I would

avigal gimpel: 1:01:21

say start by not expecting yourself to be great at everything all at once. And all the time. Being a mom is a juggling act. And you really have to choose your priorities carefully. And I would say for myself, while my kids were small, I was mainly a mom. Now I know that that's not very California thing to say. But I that was a choice I made, I wanted my kids to come home to mother at home, I wanted them to have hot healthy food I wanted them to, I wanted them to go to the park in the afternoon with someone who, who had actually birthed them. And, and spoke the same language as them, things like that. So I so I definitely I worked very part time. I always say to Moms, don't quit the workforce. Stay in, but keep your foot in the door, work a couple of hours a week work in the amount of time that is not going to steal your energy and your patience from your family. So that was very much what I did at the beginning. And as my kids got older, I slowly increased and increased you see I have a lot of different areas that I'm working in AMS and some lectures, some some teaching college, some groups, some private. So this way, I was able to work my schedule around around my children, and they definitely are at the center. And but the other thing is, follow your heart, do things that feel right for you. Because if you're juggling that much, and you're also doing things that drain you but don't give you energy, it's all gonna fall apart. So your your relationships, your your kids, your and you must give yourself a break, go out with friends, go on a vacation, take a walk in the morning or evening, go out and exercise, do something for yourself in order to nourish yourself because we have to have the equal amount out as we have in. And again, if you're if you have a job you hate, it's way too much out. If you have never have downtime, way too much out. So keep a balance. And also be proud of yourself that you're balancing that much. It's not simple being a mother. And then you add all the other stuff to it. Just congratulate yourself as much as possible and say it out loud, by the way, because that will be healthy for your boys and your girls to hear. Because your boys should know what what you're what kinds of challenges mother goes through, not to feel bad for you. But rather to say Wow, she's she's really awesome. And your girls should know that when they become moms, they should also be able to congratulate themselves. So and definitely out loud. Don't judge yourself, say I did my best. This is what I learned. This is what my process is. So that that you and the people in your environment can can can learn from that from your experiences. Because I always says my mantra, there's no such thing as failure. There's success, and there's learning experiences. So the more that we can say that as moms the better off we're going to be

Josh Bolton: 1:04:35

no 100% That was one thing. I've had a few moms on before on the show. And one of them like jokingly said like, oh, every kid is essentially an extra job and the husband's job too. Oh yeah. Plus, we're

avigal gimpel: 1:04:47

like six assists of six PhDs. You know, each one of them because they did it. God has a unique sense of humor because every single one of them is different in every way. Like there's no repeats like You know, I studied this thing I know how to do a kid. Kid number two shows up. And it's like, I have no idea how to do a kid. One second, where's the second zero? How could that happen? You know, how many different personalities could there be? And they have the same genetics. But yet, they all have very unique combos, and they're amazing. And push me to my limit, that's for sure.

Josh Bolton: 1:05:27

So the more can everyone gets you out? Where can they contact you? Well,

avigal gimpel: 1:05:31

first of all, they can look at my book on Amazon. It's called hyper healing. And that that it's a very soon I'm going to be putting it out there on audio, but right now, it's an e book and softcover. And it's definitely you could get a lot of information, a huge amount of information for that, from that that's a full program for parents of kids with ADHD symptoms is also extremely useful for coaches, teachers and therapists. You can also look me up on my website that's hyper healing.org. And like I said, on you can you can check me out on YouTube hyper healing mom, and you can see now you know, the background of that and you know that all of the videos are a full family event and on Instagram as well hyper healing dot ADHD. And on my website, you can also get directly in touch with me by just sending a note. And I'm always happy to respond.

Josh Bolton: 1:06:26

Wonderful. This has been an absolute honor. I've learned so much and clarified a lot of things for me at

avigal gimpel: 1:06:32

least today. Oh, that's my pleasure. Thank you so much for having me on. It was great.

Josh Bolton: 1:06:36

His absolute honor and pleasure I'm gonna shut up before I keep repeating now