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How Did You Get Started in Racing? Best Of Grassroots Motorsports Journeys

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How do people really get into motorsports? In this special “Best Of” episode of the Late to Grid Podcast, we throw the green flag on the most inspiring, quirky, and downright passionate origin stories from our favorite grassroots racers.

Host Bill takes us on a fast lap through more than a dozen guest highlights—each one sharing how they first caught the racing bug. From pushing go-karts uphill, wrenching on beat-up Miatas, attending legendary races as kids, or tagging along with track-day mentors, these stories celebrate the diverse and relatable entry points into motorsports.

Whether you’re already deep into HPDEs, autocrossing on the weekends, dreaming of your first endurance race, or just motorsports-curious—this is the episode for you. Learn how real people, many with zero racing background, took their first steps and built their racing careers one lap at a time.

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  • How family ties, movie moments (Cars, anyone?), and $10 F1 tickets sparked lifelong passions
  • Why every form of seat time is good seat time
  • The value of mentors, community, and cheap cars
  • Practical advice from seasoned racers for getting on track without breaking the bank

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How do you get started in motorsports? That's a question I've asked over the last five seasons to over 100 guests on the Late to Grid podcast. I'm in the Atomic Auto Sports studio putting together some of those stories for you. Let's throw the green flag on this Best of episode. People find their way into motorsports a few different ways. Could be through karting, could be through a family member, autocross, maybe a track day and they all find their passion within motorsports as they go along their motorsports journey. We put together some highlights from recent episodes where folks tell us about their passions. Our first guest is Eric. Eric is a great inspiration. He races with GMs, has some stories to share about that, and if you didn't know he was a drummer in a rock and roll band. He still plays the drums and I wonder what his neighbors have to think about that. Yeah, he used to play drums. Still play pretty daily. Honestly, keeping the cardio going more than anything, cause I hate running. But, yeah, you used to play in a band back in the day. Wreak havoc, toured a little bit, recorded some albums, but, yeah, had fun in the studio. So the microphone is not a big deal, you know? Yeah. That's awesome. So I've seen some of your, your posts and your videos with the drums. Do your neighbors complain? Absolutely not. I'm really surprised. The one neighbor is always like, hey, I would like you to bring this outside and play. I'm like, well, I don't think the rest of the neighborhood would like that. But, yeah, thankfully, my my neighbors get along, with me pretty well so they don't mind the drumming. They don't mind the cars. So. So everything's good. That's great. So you got involved in motorsports through Jeff. And Steve was a young player special. How did you get connected with them? Well, so I've always kind of been around cars. Got into the show car stuff more than anything, specifically Volkswagens, and then just kind of met Steve and then his son Mike through that. And then, we're part of a car club of lower expectations. For a while. We did a lot of fun stuff with there. And then, you know, I think it was 2013. I did my first track day, in my Volkswagen and kind of, you know, drank the Kool-Aid. Never looked back after that point. And I just remember there was one Christmas party and Michael looked at me like, hey, my dad needs people for his team. And the rest was kind of history. After that kind of started crewing with him. And then, one day Jeff looked at me. He goes, when you get in the car. I thought, okay, if you guys trust me enough, whenever you want. Here we go. So it's you know, like I said, drank the Kool-Aid and never looked back. So in 2013, what was that first track day? That first track day was at out at Nelson's Lotus. Just a, you know, just a normal HPD track day. And funny enough, the car that I ended. Up driving for my very. First actual competition, the the Jetta that we used to run for junk player. They actually, for the, you know, beginner group since, you know, had to have, somebody out in front, believe it was Brian Bartz. He actually drove the Jetta as the, like pace car, if you will. Yeah. And I was, like, pretty funny years later to actually get in that car and do my first race at Nelson's was, was pretty interesting. Oh that's neat. Did you ever think that you'd get involved with wheel wheel racing? Yes and no. Like I always wanted to, but never knew how to get there type thing. And it was just kind of the start was kind of aligned and met the right people. And I, I've been very thankful, been able to get, connected with the right people to pull me along, if you will, and teach me the right things. Yeah. So that first track day, do you remember some of the feelings and the excitement or the anxiety that you were going through? Yeah, I mean, pretty much it was all that, just the just excitement that, oh, my gosh, I'm here. And then it was also the fear of I put this car together. Is it going to hold up like, you know, going down to turn one flat out, like a little bit of brake turn in? It's like, is this car going to hold up to that? Yeah. It's just being the other cars on track. You know, that first one kind of whizzing by because, you know, obviously I wasn't pushing that hard because I did. I went off, you know, so yeah, it was definitely interesting, but it was a it was a good feeling. I want to say it kept safe, but it was almost like, okay, you didn't push too hard. But then the more I got acclimated to it, it was like, okay, let's let's keep spinning this thing and see what happens. Like many of my listeners, you got the racing bug from your father because he took you to an F1 race in Detroit in the early 80s. You actually brought the ticket in. So what do you remember about that event? I remember it was a Saturday. It was the Saturday only ticket because my dad couldn't afford the, the Sunday only ticket. But, you know, even the price on here, I think it was $15 or maybe $10. And it was probably the best thing. The. Yeah, ten bucks that ever could happen. Because I got a chance to walk around Detroit. So I got a chance to walk in the, garages that were in her plaza at the time. I got to walk by the pits. My dad was working in the Renaissance for, ACO at the time. Oh. So we got to watch the race up there. At least the qualifying for. We watched the Trans-Am race. The formula V, the formula mondial, which was Atlantic at the time when there was like some North American challenge thing going. And it was just a great experience. I mean, I got to see Senna, Mansell and all these drivers that, you know, I probably, you know, I didn't I was a kid from Detroit. So yeah great experience. So in 2002 you did your first driver's. School at Nelson Ledges. In a Datsun 610, 610. Yeah. All right. What led to that? What what why did you sign up? How did you sign up? How did you even hear about it? A great guy, Bob Roberts. I worked with him at Babcock's, at the time, he was a our head of our research department, and I was this, you know, horrible, associate editor there. And, I got to hang out at his, thing over in, watch her that the spot is over in, Copley. But he had a garage there called the Mazda matic, and he rebuilt rotary engines. He was the only one to do this. I think he got, retired from Firestone, early retirement, and then created this business because he saw no one was going to rebuild a rotary engine. So he set that up and, took off from there. And he was, you know, it was a nice crowd to get, introduced to. So my dad was always, a race fan. We went to a lot of local dirt and asphalt tracks around Wisconsin. He owned a couple small businesses, and he liked to sponsor cars. So we would go to a track. And I always found it more interesting to go to a local race. When you have someone to cheer for and you've got a vested interest in the outcome of the race, and then, of course, a lot of Sundays NASCAR was on TV and, growing up, Alan Quickie was my hero. He was my the one I cheered for the most being, you know, Wisconsin guy. And, I, I loved racing him as something that I could never do as a kid. You know, I have a large family in racing. Budgets are expensive. And so, the first chance I got to get on track in a in a car, I jumped at it and was hooked immediately. So what was that first car? So as a kid, I managed to save up my allowance, don't have an allowance and, collect cans. And I bought a go kart, but I didn't have a motor on it. So for years, me and the neighborhood kids would push it up a hill and write it down the hill and push it up the hill and write it down the hill. And that was all I knew. That was all I had ever done. But then the first time I drove on a race track, I was the slinger, Superspeedway and Slinger, Wisconsin, and they had spectator eliminator racing. And so I took the car that I rebuilt in my high school class, and I went out there and raced it, and I won. And that was probably the worst thing ever. And that set the tone for the rest of my life. I was hooked from there on out. And, this disease of motor sports I haven't been able to shake ever since. So the two biggest tips I would give anybody is all seat time is good. Seat time. And don't be ashamed to be driving. The neon, the Cavalier, the Miata. All seat time is good. And set a budget and stick to it. Because the first thing that will take the fun out of racing is not being able to afford to race. So, you know, you meet guys that, go out and they buy a fast sports car and they get frustrated because they're getting beat by something else that, there's no shame in starting off of something at 100 horsepower and just getting the car control down and getting as much seat time and as many cheap, slow cars and as many tracks as possible, and learning all of the skills before you get too much horsepower and spend too much money. Pushing a cart uphill. Man, that is some racing dedication. One thing is clear none of us have the same path into racing. For some of us it is very fast getting into racing. For others, it is a long, gradual path and for some it's a lifelong dream that finally plays out. One thing is clear no two paths are similar, and that's what makes our motorsports journey not only unique, but fun as well. My next guest, Adrian, he growing up watched his dad racing at a dirt track and that's what gave him the bug. But Adrian does share a story on why it's very important to listen to your instructor. So growing up, my dad race before I was born. He raced, six cylinder, dirt modifieds. And when I was born, he kind of like he had to hang it up, you know, but we were still going to the track all the time. So we were at Sharon Speedway, Mercer Speedway, Lerner Ville Speedway. Anytime we were with him. And it was a weekend. That's what we were doing. We not every time, but a large majority of the time. And, yeah, I fell in love with it. And I remember telling my dad I was like, dad, I want to I want to go racing. And how old were you when you said that? Oh, God. I was like 4 or 5, you know, I mean, there was a local, dirt go kart track, and I was trying to convince him when I was like 8 or 9, like, hey, can we put a cart together and just go run dirt carts? You know, but I remember telling, like, let's go racing. And Sharon Speedway is, home of the Blaney family. If you're familiar. And my dad is the same age as Dale and Dave. So he grew up watching them, you know, climb the ranks and everything. And first thing he said to me was like, if you want to go racing, you're going to have to wait till you're 18. And I was like, but why? He's like, well, if Dale and Dave Blaney had to wait until they were 18 to get in a car, you have to wait until you're 18 to get in the car. If it's good enough. For the Blaney, it's good enough for for the Willoughbys. Yeah, exactly. So yeah. Then so we didn't go racing, but we went and saw all the races. Yeah. You know, we always, our favorite race we always did was, Don Martin Memorial Silver Cup for the World of Outlaws show at Lavell, watching the sprint cars. Okay, that's my that's my favorite. I could drive a sprint car. So if anybody out there, you got a sprint car, and, you know, you might want to give me a test. I would love that. But that's that's, on my bucket list is to drive a sprint car one day. Oh, that'd. Be a blast. And dirt. Under dirt. All right. Yeah, maybe I'll see you in the Chili Bowl or something. Hey, that was sweet. So, what was the very first time you had something on track? So first time I had something on track would have been 2019. And that would have been, the first Mini Cooper they were on. Everybody knows me, Froning. Mini Cooper. Yeah. The first one I ever owned, was the first car I ever took on track. I use when I bought that car, I did, a lot of very dumb things on the road. I'm sure as a lot of us young, teenage, boys do. Wait. The road is not the racetrack. No. Oh. All right. Yeah. So I was, I did a lot of things that, you know, I can laugh about now, but I'm not necessarily proud of. And, I put myself in situations, and I said, you know what? I can't keep doing this. And that's when I signed up for my first track day out at, Pitt race. Pitt race. They have their own, driver school, actually, you know, like, there's organizations that whole driving schools and stuff like that, but, Pitt Race actually has like their own program that they put on. And so I went out and and I did that for two. I did two days in 2019. And What was what was your immediate reaction. That first lap? So the first the first three laps was, I know how to drive a car, I know what I'm doing. And and I loved it. And I was right about one of those things. The fact that I loved it was not right that I knew how to drive the car. Because the guy sat in my passenger seat after probably about third or fourth lap, he he got over the communications and he said, listen, if you don't start listening to me, we will park the car for the day. Oh, and I had just spent $400. I'm like, I'm not parking the car for the day. Please repeat yourself, sir, I will listen. Yeah. So, yeah. So I listened to him and that is how, I got on track. Well, my name is Kyle Arcaro. I'm 33 years old, originally from southern Maryland, still actually living in the area. I still work a full time job on top of all of the racing and instructing and every other job or jack of all trades. Master of none. None. I'm a part of in motorsport, so it's been a journey. I started later than most guys at 17 years old, but my passion for racing began at the age of seven and it was thanks to the encouragement of my age. I guess you could say my family that brought me up on Hanna-Barbera based cartoons The Flintstones and Scooby Doo. When Cartoon Network and Turner Networks were sponsoring race cars with Diamond Ridge Racing and Melling Racing in the late 90s, and also the Montag family, who I went to school with their oldest son Andrew, and their introduction to me was the NASCAR 98 game is what fueled the passion, and ten years later, I jumped behind the wheel and we rolled from there. Versatility is is so key nowadays because you have to take advantage of every opportunity. And I mean, Shane's run at Chicago was evident. I mean, come over and do what he did in a stock our first time out. Yeah, there are similarities. But when you go from a right side drive to a left side drive and go from a paddle to a stick shift, it's different. And for me, that's why I try to dabble in so many different pieces of equipment and try to run so many different tracks, because you have to be able to adapt very, very quickly and with limited practice. You did talk a little bit about the spotting. How has that helped you build relationships with other teams and how has it helped you being a spotter? Maybe the next time you're at that track. It helps me because it gives you a new perspective. When you're the eyes in the sky, you look at the racetrack from a different perspective from when you're behind the wheel. A driver will see different things than a spotter will, but a spotter will see different things than a driver. Driver has limited visibility in the car, but the spotter has limited visibility. You have to join together. You have to build that bond in that trust. Trust between a driver and a spotter is the difference between being in a 20 car wreck, or getting through it and getting to the end of the day and having a good result. It really makes a difference. So, you know, it's actually an interesting story. I don't come from car family. I don't watch a lot of motorsports. People do. I was born in a small town in Hattiesburg called Hattiesburg, Mississippi. And the thing that struck it off for me, the first movie I ever watched in theaters was calves. And my parents will tell to this day that they regret it. But yeah, it just kind of gave me the bug in it. When I was about 5 or 6, I moved up here to North Carolina, and my parents made some friends with some doctors that were into motorsports, big into Porsches and just track days stuff. So I went to the track days with them and learned as much as I could, and so I that from then I just kind of knew I wanted to be a driver. I guess something I always loved. Yeah, it's just kind of always been a thing for me. I've always loved cars and always loved how they work and how they sound. You know what they can do. So it's just been something in me since I was young, for sure. That's great. So what was your your personal first on track experience? Oh, first all track experience that I can remember just riding as a kid. Because Road Atlanta and of course GT3, it was all black. I remember because I, you know, I was riding shotgun and it was a six speed manual. I thought it was so cool. And he let me reach up and grab the shift knob and pull it into fourth gear. And so I was just above and beyond excited, you know, it was it's a core memory for sure. Listen, more to the advice of the people around you. They're not trying to hurt you. They're trying to help you. You know, I was nervous and kind of taking the the slow line for sure, but they actually told me to ramp up the aggression because it'll keep me safer in the long run. So, you know, listen to the more experienced people around you for sure. A lot of the advice and advice they were giving me, they're just it a lot of it was just about my aggression, you know, I was very timid coming out. And, you know, the aggression is important because if you're not aggressive and you take the slow line, you're going to get yourself hurt. You know, and they they taught me a lot about braking points. I was braking super early. And, you know, you're not supposed to do that in a race car. And like, you know, you're supposed to go into the corners hard and, you know, stuff like that. How to be safe. More than anything, you want to be safe on the racetrack. You want to do well for your day, and you want to keep everyone else's day good. You know you don't want to ruin someone else's day. Cars was his first introduction, and not only are cars cool, but racing is something. And then camp ends up in a GT3 Porsche. I think that's pretty cool. It's interesting also that he was told to get more aggressive on track, because a lot of times we hear just the opposite to be smoother. We've heard a variety of stories about how our guests got interested in motorsports. And my next guest, Jen Bradford, well, she comes from a racing family. Her dad races her brother races, and her mom volunteers at registration at race events. Jen also has a passion for getting more women involved in racing. Let's hear what she has to say. My parents were involved in motorsports. My dad has been racing, for as long as I can remember. He and my brother both drive formula cars. So it's kind of how I got started, I guess. I've been an SCCA member since the day I was born, basically. And my mom is involved in registration. She's the de registration for the Great Lakes division. So, like I said, I was kind of born into it, but definitely grew a passion for it. SCCA recently put out a program that is geared towards women. I guess you could say, and women in motorsports. So if you go to the SCCA website, there is women in SCCA. It's their the group that they've created. And they have bios of all different kinds of women who are involved in motorsports. But I would just encourage women just to get involved. I mean, there's no there's no difference for us. I mean, it's the same thing for me going out versus my dad going out versus my brother going out. Like, I mean, once you're in the car, it doesn't matter. Like, no one knows. No one cares. It's just all about your drive and how much you want it. So my parents always joked that I got hooked on racing in the summer of 1972. Now, I wasn't born until the fall of 1972, but my parents attended a Can-Am race at Mid-Ohio, and, that's when the javelins were doing really well on the Camaros. And, they joked at the sounds and perhaps even the smells that my mom was smelling somehow got into my blood and into my brain. And that's where my love of racing started. My father passed away a few years ago. My mom found a box of pictures from the race they went to there. I was hoping maybe Mark Donahue's, AMC would have been in that event. It wasn't because I don't talk about Mark Donahue in a little bit, but nonetheless, it could have been where my itch from racing started. But I really think it happened in 1982, and that was the first, IndyCar race then called CART at Burke Lakefront Airport in Cleveland, Ohio. And it always after 82 was called the Grand Prix. The first year it was called the 500 kilometer race. And it was so long that they had to reformat it for the second year. But every year we would go to that race. And I was a bit spoiled. My father would, because of what he did in advertising and marketing. We would have tickets in what was called the Chalet Village. It was the corporate hospitality area. All the movers and shakers in Cleveland would be hanging out in this area. Celebrity driver appearances. We had full access paddock and pit passes as well, so I got exposed and spoiled very early. But we went to those races through the 2000. It was it was a great event. A lot of people want to see it back on the schedule probably will never happen, but I used to take a scanner, used to take a, camera, take pictures, walk around. I used to dig through the trash. I have some of that stuff at my shop in Wickliffe that I. I garbage picked when they would throw old Indy car parts away. It was in the late 80s as well that my father would take me to Mid-Ohio. So we would do the camel GT races, which were the IMSa races. If you remember Jeff Brabham and the Nissan cars, those were my favorite cars. That's when Jaguar was really involved, and Toyota and Dan Gurney had his cars. That to me, that was the heyday of IMS. We would go and do that. We would do the historic races, we would do the Indy car races. And those were some great memories of where I really saw the sports car side of motorsports and really said, this is I want to be involved with this somehow. This is I want this to be part of my life somehow. And, I can always remember I told this story once or twice of being up. If you look over, what they refer to as the S's at the end of the back straight, and you look over on the manufacturers midway where they would sell the t shirts and the vintage stuff, and there'd be parts, distributors and stuff like that. I always thought it'd be cool to have a business in motorsports and somehow do stuff at Mid-Ohio. Then in high school, my first car was a 1982 280. I learned so much on that car how to do tune ups, how to do brakes, how to do bodywork, how to do electrical. That was really how I started getting the mechanical itch. Well, I actually got started with Bo, with a Facebook post, back in 2017. I was kind of just getting in the car back then, getting my learner's permit and learning how to drive my dad and his and his wolf. Now my, Volkswagen Rabbit, which was also a manual. And, I was big into YouTube at the time, too. Like, a lot of, like, kids my age were, watching different kind of content, with my background and it all so much so I gaming. So as soon as I started to get into cars, I try to look at what car content was out there. And a big name now is obviously Hoonigan. And I started watching them when they had like 100,000 subscribers on YouTube. So, from them and their activities, their content, their got me really interested in the cars and racing and, learning about Ken Block and what was he was doing, with Hoonigan, and their, their movie production stuff, and all kind of played and played into it. And my mom was friends with you on Facebook, through whatever connections. Were in Twinsburg and, you know, you offered like, hey, if anyone wants to come up to the racetrack and just help crew or, you know, hang out, you know, come on down. And, I jumped. I jumped on on that opportunity, drove all the way down, down the pit race and, you know, Beaver, Beaver, pa a good two hour drive and, showed up and was like, like driving through the hills of PA, and I'm like, where am I going? Like, is the right address? And, for those who've been to Pitt, you know, you kind of drive up in this like a, this back wooded area and then you're like, what? Is there a race track back here? There's no way, driving up the huge hill and then, you know, seeing the huge water tower and the the karting track and everything like that. And, you know, I walked up and you were super friendly, and I was I was nervous and I think, I think I caught a little bit at the end, the race. Then you guys brought the car back in and, start doing work for, for day two because it was Saturday. You know, gave me an impact. Done. And, you know, it started changing tires and, helped to do an oil change and everything like that. And that's, you know, that kind of started from there. You guys had an E30 that weekend and, ended up selling that car and moving on to another, another car for a Ford Focus from Perennial Challenge. So, we had some work, at your shop, swapping in the stock motor, you know, learning, you know, learning suspension, learning how to do brakes, just learning about cars and racing in general. Just grew my interest because I had the opportunity, to do so. And, I that passion just grew from there. I did my first track day with, auto interests, over at Nelson Ledges, which is, kind of my home track as well, in addition to Pitt. They were super friendly there. Went through like a novice one day class, had instructor in the car, you know, learning how to hit the apex and, you know, braking zones and, learning about hill towing and, you know, all the everything that kind of goes into it. And went from there. We did. I think we did. We did one race with the, with the focus, and there I met, a buddy of mine, Nick, catalyst. Catalyst, and, started working with him and doing some tests and then eventually got my first wheel to wheel race. And Nelson lunges. So, that's kind of my start. And that that's it's I think that that puts me at like 2018, 2019. And then just I've been racing ever since. So I was down at Purdue. One of my fraternity brothers, Eric Connor, and I were in, a calculus class that I was probably not doing very well in. And one of our other friends was like, hey, there's a track day, upper gentleman. It's like, yeah, I wish I had a car. I could do it in heels. Just do it in your Buick. What are you ty like at the time? It's a supercharged V6. My daughter crossed it. That sway bars, springs and really, really crappy tires from Costco. Yeah. So that night, we, put at the time PFC pads that we could get from AutoZone. That 80 super blue brake fluid, if ever remembers that, that blue fluid and drove it up. The gentleman and, the instructor would not get in the car with me. Yeah. They were, they were not very happy about. They didn't think the car would kind of handle it. And, the car was a champ. I learned a lot. I learned a lot about, lift off throttle oversteer, especially going through five and six. And it would do the entire track before the extension and second gear, which was pretty funny and blow into work. And the gearing was just so long. And, I think my best lap time was like a 150, which isn't good, but I absolutely destroyed these Costco tires, with, you know, stress suspension. You couldn't had a lot of camber in front, and the tires were like 480 tread, where, Oh, man. But yeah, yeah, that's all I remember sitting there watching another run group, and I called my dad and I was like, you know, I think this is something I meant to do. And no way with these would you say, this. Is like, I've got to come to the track. You'd never been to a track day before. And I was like, I really? This sparked something inside me that, has never gone away. And that was back in 2008. So what was your first competitive event? My first competitive event outside of autocross was actually when I moved to, Cleveland. And with my Miata, I decided that I want to do SCCA time trial. When I moved here, and I bought a really clean and a, it was a 90 618 Miata and built it basically to the rules for six. And I thought that was a good way to start. I'd wanted a miata for a while and found a really good base car to start with, and I was like, I'm going to try this. I'm not going to waste time at track days. My friends are already doing time trial things and I want to try this. And so yeah, that and I think it was June 2016. What's the best motorsports advice that you've received? I would say to just it's honestly to, to slow down, sometimes you get excited, like, I am the kind of person that will tend to overdrive a car. And I think some of the best advice I heard was from a guy who John Chevelle told me. Same thing he lost my video. It was like, oh, do you hate this car? Why are you driving it like this? I was like, that was the best lap I've ever had. He's like, you know, it's sometimes it's it's hard to it's easy to get lost in the moment and just remember, you know, calm and smooth. Keep your hands fast when they need to be fast but smooth and when they need to be smooth. And just remember that you're out there to be safe and have fun. But that's, it's really it's it's easy to get amped up and all excited and in overdrive. It's only fitting that we wrap up with the Taylor Allen taking a supercharged Buick and 400 to try to wear a tire to judgment for a track day, and then also eventually finding a portal with his car on track. Like I said, we all have a unique motorsports journey, but we're all here for the same reasons. Atomic Auto Sports Tacos no, it's to have fun at the track and to hang out with like minded people. I want to thank you for being part of my journey and being a listener of the late, great podcast.