This is an episode for blokes, most especially for blokes who are close to perimenopausal mayhem. I had a chat with my old friend Kenny Mammarella D’Cruz, aka  The Man Whisperer, who has instigated hundreds of men’s groups across the country. Daily Express described me as a "coach, consultant, and guru of all things men"

 Kenny and I talked about:

•  How men deal with loneliness and pain
• Men allowing vulnerability
• Men allowing connection
• How to communicate with their perimenopausal partners
• The possibility of both partners in a heterosexual relationship are transforming at the same time 
• About legacy and elderhood and death

 Plus my all-time favourite quote ever from a man about postmenopausal women, I won’t spoil the surprise but it’s very, very good.

The course Kenny mentions in this episode is an online training on how to listen so men speak and how to speak so men listen for therapists, coaches, care-workers, anyone and everyone who wants to pick up these tools for daily life. Here's a link https://www.themanwhisperer.co.uk/MenFacilitateCourse

The men's groups are here https://www.menspeak.co.uk/

You can buy me a cuppa here - https://buymeacoffee.com/katecodrington
 The Perimenopause Journal and Second Spring are available from all good retailers
Kate's free resource library is here https://subscribepage.io/kates-resource-library  
Instagram @kate_codrington 
Perimenopause Starter Kit online course https://www.katecodrington.co.uk/perimenopause-starter-kit-online-course/

Music
Trust Me by RYYZN

Artwork
Kate's portrait by Lori Fitzdoodles