Software-Defined Networking (SDN) has come a long way since its inception in 2009 (check out MIT's review on this). Today, SDN is poised to become the de facto control and management solution for networks everywhere. This trend toward SDN has been accelerated through the exponential digital transformation of the pandemic with customers now looking to hybrid multi-cloud for answers.
Nutanix’s SDN journey chartered a new path in 2018 with SDN, launching Nutanix® Flow Security with Microsegmentation then quickly followed with a robust ID Based Firewall and Security Planning solution. These were the first pillars of our SDN vision.
Fast-following Flow Security, Nutanix implemented the second key pillar of SDN: Network Virtualization, or as Nutanix calls it, Flow Networking™.
First introduced to provide secure multi-tenant network virtualization in Nutanix's managed Disaster-Recovery-as-a-Service (or DRaaS) offering, Flow Networking quickly evolved for on-premise Nutanix customers, becoming available for Early Access following its announcement soon after .NEXT 2020.
Host: Harvey Green
Co-Host: Jirah Cox
Co-Host: Andy Whiteside
Software-Defined Networking (SDN) has come a long way since its inception in 2009 (check out MIT's review on this). Today, SDN is poised to become the de facto control and management solution for networks everywhere. This trend toward SDN has been accelerated through the exponential digital transformation of the pandemic with customers now looking to hybrid multi-cloud for answers.
Nutanix’s SDN journey chartered a new path in 2018 with SDN, launching Nutanix® Flow Security with Microsegmentation then quickly followed with a robust ID Based Firewall and Security Planning solution. These were the first pillars of our SDN vision.
Fast-following Flow Security, Nutanix implemented the second key pillar of SDN: Network Virtualization, or as Nutanix calls it, Flow Networking™.
First introduced to provide secure multi-tenant network virtualization in Nutanix's managed Disaster-Recovery-as-a-Service (or DRaaS) offering, Flow Networking quickly evolved for on-premise Nutanix customers, becoming available for Early Access following its announcement soon after .NEXT 2020.
Host: Harvey Green
Co-Host: Jirah Cox
Co-Host: Andy Whiteside
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Harvey Green: Welcome everybody to the metallics weekly podcast I neglected to look at this number before we started so i'm going to do that, right now, but I do have Jerry Cox Whitney jarrod how's it going.
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Jirah Cox: Good man, I mean, I think we let numbers to find our life, a little too much sometimes.
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Jirah Cox: it's an episode right that's that's all it's important.
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Harvey Green: pretty much know it's funny when we don't have any here with us today, and whenever we don't have Andy I I always leave him something to you know make him feel like he he has to be here and, in this case he does, because I don't know the number um.
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Harvey Green: So um.
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Harvey Green: let's see i'm almost there almost there.
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Jirah Cox: and has been called the King of the numbers.
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Jirah Cox: By.
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Jirah Cox: Or at least one person at least one person is calling that just now.
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Harvey Green: that's right, so I can't find the number but i'll find it.
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Harvey Green: So today's podcast topic as as you guys can hopefully see my screen for those that are watching the video, if not if you're just watching the podcast.
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Harvey Green: This one is a blog post entitled lieutenants and leashes flow networking to streamline hybrid cloud connectivity.
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Harvey Green: And for those who don't already know the tedx flow is their networking product that just got.
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Harvey Green: A super boost I like to call it from new tonics next that next this year I keep doing that I need to say that mix.
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Harvey Green: But this is their software defined networking product that we've been talking through before on the podcast but, again, you know this is has gotten a super boost for sure, with some new features coming out of that next.
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Harvey Green: Jerry you want to give us a quick over quick overflow on the tennis club.
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Jirah Cox: yeah so so I like the way that article sets this up around you know we we start one foot of the pool of SDN software defined networking 2018 right flow micro say focusing on security for vm.
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Jirah Cox: At the network level right where we can you can put in policies to restrict what your vm is can talk to or sources or what kind of traffic by port.
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Jirah Cox: Does.
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Jirah Cox: unspeakably good things right does wonders for limiting the spread of malware in your environment right because it's got to get from one thing to another.
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Jirah Cox: Inside your environment right called the east, west transit and so that ability to hinder that movement is how we can actually put the brakes on malware.
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Jirah Cox: So this is kind of jumping into the pool with our second foot I guess it's probably a second second pillar of SDN right.
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Jirah Cox: For for actual.
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Jirah Cox: Network virtualization right so flow networking is that let's go beyond that right now let's get into.
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Jirah Cox: How to actually create virtual networks, not just you know restrict the flow of packets on on quote real networks right where now something that's don't even have to be.
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Jirah Cox: known or managed by the upstream top rack switch now, we can have like a virtual sub nets right that we can wrap around your application.
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Jirah Cox: and truly define the network at the software layer
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Jirah Cox: So yeah to your point in preview it's been hiding in in prison central that in a corner of the menu for a couple of releases now, I think, but, but now super happy to say it's definitely GA as, as we know, the next one is, we can dive into more deeply here today.
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Harvey Green: yeah absolutely and and gyro, by the way I did find the podcast episode number, we are now number 36.
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Jirah Cox: Oh man, I was.
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Jirah Cox: Less there's less there's a home sleep easy it's there it's 36.
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Harvey Green: So um yeah so you know you talk through kind of an overview of flow.
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Harvey Green: Like you said flow flow networking is now GA so generally available to all the tenants customers so everybody listening to the sound of our voices, this is something that you should definitely be looking into and trying to figure out how it can help you.
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Harvey Green: Overall jarrod as we kind of move through the blog post here talks about how the tactics is taking a much more holistic approach to abstracting.
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Harvey Green: Networks wherever everything is run to help basically move move the traffic through for the different use cases, you know we've got a diagram here I don't know if you can see that or not, but.
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Harvey Green: You know a lot of times you're if you're not the networking and man you don't need to play with some of these things but.
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Harvey Green: For you know for people again on the new tactics platform they've got the ability now to have a bunch of different skill sets because you're managing everything potentially from.
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Harvey Green: One single pane of glass so, can you kind of talk us through some of these features and functions that are available to the public, now.
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Jirah Cox: I totally love this I love this diagram that kind of shows like so what's in this release right.
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Jirah Cox: A real common use case right would be like I wanted to play a new APP the APP has lots of components right might have load balancers in front ends and APP tears and back end databases and.
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Jirah Cox: analytics vm to the fourth users only have to get to one spot right that's all the rest of it's all just sort of of just plumbing and so.
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Jirah Cox: Before this right for virtually any network for for any kind of virtualization deployment, or even physical deployment actually server deployments in general.
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Jirah Cox: I would have to go get a whole bunch of ips for every single part of that stack right i've got 2020 physical servers whatever I gotta go the network team and get 20 ips.
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Jirah Cox: With this now, this is more, I would say is more cloud like networking right, where I just haven't my front door I just hadn't with the Web interface right running on 80 and 443 on a single IP on my real network let's say my corporate network is like 10 1010 dot whatever.
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Jirah Cox: I can go and create a new little private network like 192168 dot 10 dot whatever I can put all my stuff on there i'm the boss of one that wants to take 10 this is this is great content right describing.
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Jirah Cox: Something that's an IP address this verbally right we brought him.
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Jirah Cox: But I you know networking doesn't care the network team, and my customers don't care about my little 19216 810 little walled garden right my little fenced in area they barely even know about it.
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Jirah Cox: I only need to get one IP address from the network team that I can then.
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Jirah Cox: You know nat alright do network address translation right like we all do at home, where we have our little one or 2168 dot one networks.
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Jirah Cox: And then the wild Internet is something else entirely right we net right to get in and out of that I can do that to get into my application so now my ad and 443.
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Jirah Cox: But that really reaches my web server and my web server can reach all the other aspects that it wants right the load balancers the APP tears the databases analytics whatever else is in my APP that can live in this little network specific for that application.
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Jirah Cox: So that means that my network management gets way way simpler when I need to add a new web host and Edit and load balancer.
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Jirah Cox: that's something that the real network and my users don't even know about right, I have full autonomy of autonomy to do that as the application or infrastructure admin at the vm level.
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Jirah Cox: So that's that's one of the coolest things right is that sort of flexibility that ability to limit, who has to care about what and who do I have to go to to get certain things change as it grows over time.
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Jirah Cox: So, within that I can create something that's you know we call it here the course the spec rfc 1918 but it just means you know all your 10 dot whatever is your 172 16 dot whatever is in 190 168 dot dot, whatever your 20 fours slash 16 slash slash eights.
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Jirah Cox: I can even still do acl say what's allowed to get to certain stuff right so do those access control lists.
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Jirah Cox: And we even we even call out, you know vpn connectivity here right so, because how How would I as a developer get into that little bubble and work on the database right when it's not it doesn't have an IP address on my real network.
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Jirah Cox: Lots of ways I could solve that One of those is going to be, you know vpn connectivity to say I can connect my workstation to that bubble.
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Jirah Cox: Work on the machines need to work on and then get back out of it right and those application servers if they're not receiving that traffic.
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Jirah Cox: I even like as a security aspect now those things aren't even aren't even really reachable on the network right they can only get to what they need to get to.
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Jirah Cox: they're not just sitting out there on the wide open corporate network, hoping that no malware wants to come along and knock on the front door.
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Harvey Green: What you said, and you correct me where i'm wrong you ready.
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Harvey Green: So this is giving you the ability to make sure that you can assign certain network segments to certain people and from a network admin standpoint.
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Harvey Green: That person as long as as long as they've given you your will call it a sandbox even though sometimes it's not going to be a sandbox.
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Harvey Green: As long as they given you your your sandbox so your lane where you can only you know, a by between these guardrails then they're going to be happy from a security standpoint, because they've taken care of that for you right.
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Jirah Cox: that's that's 100% true, but also what if what if your little guard rails around your your little walled garden.
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Jirah Cox: From a service provider standpoint, what if somebody else needed the exact same subnet and network that you've got right, what if what if you were running.
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Jirah Cox: A hosted environment and you had to customers have both needed to be you know 190 168 dot 100 at the same time you with with traditional switches you know real problem there right, but when they both have little panels, to get out to your network nobody's happy.
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Harvey Green: You got it and I heard the voice of our fearless leader, Mr Andy whiteside job.
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Harvey Green: And the I didn't have the cameras showing because I always have an issue when my when i'm sharing my screen but.
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Andy Whiteside: No it's okay.
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Harvey Green: Have happy you doing.
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Andy Whiteside: yeah I jumped into episode 35 excellent.
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Andy Whiteside: Ah, so.
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Harvey Green: wow thanks.
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Andy Whiteside: And sorry for being late, my flight was delayed I ran to get here is click back there.
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Andy Whiteside: Harvey said you're the lanes that the network administrator gave you I mean basically your minimal number of ips and, from that point on, you control your destiny behind that find that wall right.
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Jirah Cox: One of the huge possibilities, I see from implementing software software defined networking is I can choose neither of those now.
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Jirah Cox: At first pass it can sound more complicated, but then it also is like wow but it actually can simplify a lot of my network design right if you've ever had that conversation around this this subnet is full right we've exhausted this subnet we're going to start a new one.
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Jirah Cox: That had that kind of pain point, one day, maybe in the future, just think back dire dire mentioned, you know, think about SDN as a way to solve that problem.
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Jirah Cox: i'm so curious about what I can do.
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Harvey Green: Well, what happened, like i'm looking around like wait is that means move around a lot okay i'll still moving so i'm looking at okay direct still moving I guess that wasn't.
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Harvey Green: So going through the the bulleted list here you actually hit on the first Tuesday is.
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Harvey Green: We lost you there for a second and the we heard so, can you, and then you left and now you're gone again i'm sorry.
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Harvey Green: There we go I can hear you now.
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Andy Whiteside: Okay, I turned off my video i'm sitting in an airport lobby continue adopt this after the fact, you are, you have to build from day one, or is this something you can blend into an existing mechanics environment.
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Jirah Cox: No i've done it in the lab right it's it's a feature right you just turn it on now, of course, at the individual vm level right moving it out of like this network of that network, you know of course you plan for that.
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Jirah Cox: and make those moves when they're convenient for you, but yeah you know don't elaborate I had you know running running workloads and was able to just sort of add this as a layer right as an offering on a running cluster.
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Andy Whiteside: You know i'm you see guys citrus guy and grew up deploying provisioning services and having the ability to control my own destiny, with with PBS and how my little pocket of a software defined network.
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Andy Whiteside: Would would make that such a more controllable destiny than, then the legacy physical layers that we had to deal with.
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Jirah Cox: there's already a real i'm going to say choke point that's not the right word there's already a gateway functionality right we're all the the easy traffic traverses like in that case like an sky right.
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Jirah Cox: So I could I could I could set that up to have plumbing to traverse into my bubble, and then within that like you know I can have my desktops live on the one of these networks that.
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Andy Whiteside: Reviewing where.
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Harvey Green: we're headed through some of these bullet points here, the first to do our kind of spoke to self service network provisioning and reducing visible network complexity.
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Harvey Green: The next one was enable multi tenant and hosted environments, which I think is a very interesting one, because you know we.
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Harvey Green: We have some some hosting that we do, but we also have customers who host for other other businesses and other end users as well.
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Harvey Green: The this Diary, and you can jump through it to this gives me the ability, now, to again establish those guardrails which, more importantly, for this situation.
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Jirah Cox: Are you starting to believe me, maybe a little bit.
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Harvey Green: yeah now.
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Andy Whiteside: I think I mean every time someone does this like get reminded how good of a studio like a sound studio the inside of an automobile is.
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Andy Whiteside: Oh yeah so you know I don't know nice car you sound great man.
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Jirah Cox: glad it almost went to undetected by the audience.
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Andy Whiteside: I was making the assumption that came up earlier but.
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Harvey Green: I mean we we we did talk about it right before we jumped on I had other jokes, for instance, he was sitting in the.
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Harvey Green: yeah I didn't come up.
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Harvey Green: To.
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Harvey Green: me, have you Andy.
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Jirah Cox: From my court from my car to yours right, where I was.
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Harvey Green: And he's making the real stuff happen.
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Harvey Green: All right, alright, that is so sorry I was gonna say that's all I had but but Dara, as usual, how can the people try this.
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Jirah Cox: I should actually know whether or not this is on our restaurants, like.
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Jirah Cox: i'm gonna go find out.
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Harvey Green: So.
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Jirah Cox: mentioned next week.
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Jirah Cox: But ya.
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Jirah Cox: know and as always ready reach out to your friendlies and tiger folks your new tannic folks right we're happy to show this to you.
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Harvey Green: yeah absolutely there is a piece of flow on test drive, but all of these features are not yet on test drive, but we can still as gyrus and we can work with you to give some hands on experience.
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Harvey Green: And speaking of hands on experience, we do have our next monthly class coming up on December 1.
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Harvey Green: So guys, you can jump out to the INTEGRA COM site and sign up for that under events.
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Harvey Green: But if you know if you guys, want to have a hands on flow class we'd be happy to provide that for you, too, so you just let me know reach out.
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Harvey Green: Any parting thoughts.
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Andy Whiteside: No as appreciate you guys, let me hop in late and sorry about my flight being delayed and not going to catch a train but.
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Andy Whiteside: always good to hear and jarrod talk about what you got going on it's it it never ends and i'm always amazed at how up to speed, he is on all of it.
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Harvey Green: will catch him slip in one day.
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Jirah Cox: Good luck i'll be i'll be interested in.
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Andy Whiteside: Are you are you sitting out like in the in the parking here in new your House where you watch the people go.
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Harvey Green: And I asked him the same thing.
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Harvey Green: I said Where are you part can you see your House.
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Jirah Cox: I think my my response was due to its 2021 I get notifications when my front door keypad unlocks itself and my doorbell records audio and video.
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Jirah Cox: I don't need to I don't need to be like lurking around the corner anymore just know.
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Jirah Cox: Am I allowed to go home.
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Andy Whiteside: We had a we had a strange situation, about two years ago we're looking at a house on Lake Norman and the people were out in their pontoon boat and know the cove watching us and you realize.
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Andy Whiteside: And then I go to look around the Doc down in the water, and all of a sudden, I find a bee's nest let's start getting stung by bees.
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Harvey Green: Ah.
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Andy Whiteside: I can only imagine what their reaction.
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Jirah Cox: Maybe they maybe they should buy the House and Senate, the base of the bees.
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Jirah Cox: give you a sign.
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Jirah Cox: Not not the sounds.
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Andy Whiteside: Like a running up the Doc swatting myself yelling and screaming they had to do that this is self not going to have.
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Andy Whiteside: Alright guys.
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Andy Whiteside: Thank you.
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Jirah Cox: As we.
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Harvey Green: Talk to you next week.