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Speaker 2:All right, guys. Hey, so this week we are coming back around to the Franklin credit union. Part two, we took a break last week to talk about the Jamison's and awesome. Yes and well, yes. If you need to go back and listen to it, I suggest doing so there's lots of information, but we talked about some of the corruption that was going on in the state of Nebraska with a man named Larry King, who was the manager of the Franklin credit union and a giant creep and all the terrible things that he and his other depraved cohorts were doing with children, trafficking them across state lines for sexual, like prostitution and reasons. And these kids were 13 years old. Some of them are older, but not that much older. And a lot of just horrendous, crazy, insane sounding crap was going on. And we kind of ended it where it seemed like anybody that was trying to get help children wise for being involved in this stuff. These children were ending up actually kind of getting prosecuted themselves because they were coming forward. So we were like, what in the heck is going on here?
Speaker 1:Well, like all the adults that we're trying to help and invest,
Speaker 2:You were just like mysteriously dying
Speaker 1:Accidents, a plane exploding, a freaking new accident. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like all sorts of sketchy, sketchy as hell. So, and if that doesn't make, you want to just like throw all your chairs through all your windows, I don't know who you are, but I know, I don't know your, I don't know how you can't anyway, I don't need to go in to like why I'm feeling so full of rage right now. But I have been, so let's get a little more background information. So we talked about this credit union is the center of this thing because Larry King was the manager of this credit union. And lo and behold, the credit union is missing$40 million,$40 million of its money.
Speaker 3:Lo and behold, I don't think$40 million just goes new thing. You know, what do you mean? How the feel at night? And you're like, maybe you're short, like a dollar or two, but Oh,$40 million. I don't know. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's totally crazy. Um, the other crazy part of this is that not only was there$40 million missing, but they learn that the bank isn't even like doing business with the community in which it's supposed to be helping, which was small businesses and me and individuals in the African American community, they weren't giving out any loans to anybody yet. They're missing all this money. So that's, that's really awesome. So not only were they just not doing anything to help the community, they were actually robbing them. That those, that deposited
Speaker 3:Let's not forget that Larry King lived pretty stinking, lavishly. He had multiple homes in different States, a silver armchair luxury car houses, crane, crane.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So yeah, he's a disaster. Yeah. He's notorious for his high spending ways. Totally. So, you know, he was the manager of this bank. He was spending all this money. You know, people would talk about the parties that he had and how limousines would take you home. And I mean, he was living it up in 1988 as Senator chambers received numerous complaints about Larry King, his high spending ways. And in addition to that, the foster care review board reports about the abused children that all named Larry King at some point or another, and their stories of abuse generally as being the key figure, you know, in the situation
Speaker 3:It's like that, I don't know. It's strange just how many people have to say this dude's in a-hole for it to be true.
Speaker 2:Right. I mean, it's just crazy. Oh, it's just crazy. I mean, I freaking cannot believe, I just cannot believe the extent to which this crap goes in the story. Like
Speaker 3:It's a never ending like circle. It's just, there's always something. So,
Speaker 2:So we had spoken about a Senator Schmidt who had been working with Gary[inaudible] and John decamp and our last episode to kind of investigate the Franklin situation, the allegations of abuse pornography, et cetera. And Senator spit, Senator Schmidt obviously had some knowledge of allegations against Larry King for having committed this atrocious behavior. And he knew about the kids that were accusing him of abuse. And the other thing I wanted to talk about about Larry King was he had also, when he had first started his career, he was a Democrat. He was like part of this democratic party activism group. And it wasn't until he shifted his registration to being a Republican in 1981 that he began to, to start making a name for himself, which, I mean, I already knew this, but it really makes you and I, there were other examples of this in the story alone, but it really makes you just not to sorry, tell any politicians that listen, but, uh, you know, politicians will just really do and say whatever they need to do in order to get ahead. You know, it's just time after time, that seems to be just thrown in our faces. And we still have this bizarre desire to want to act like everybody is so different. You know, and it's really just, we're talking about two people who are saying whatever they need to say to you, lying to our faces, essentially to get whatever they want. So it's, so anyway, you know, Larry King was a Democrat then was like, I'm a Republican because it was going to get him ahead. Because like I said, last week, he was like one of three African-American members of the Republican party in 1981 or whatever. At the time John decamp was a Senator Schmitz personal attorney. And he had noticed that there were two different faces of Larry King because he was also a delegate for the state of Nebraska. So he had been in some political situations with Larry King, where he had noticed, particularly at the RNC, the Republican national convention in 1984 and 1988. Those were those times where Larry King saying at the beginning of the convention. And he noticed that Larry King threw these seriously lavish parties that exceeded the estimates that people gave him and how they said like, Oh, he probably spent a couple thousand dollars and it was like, no way, there's too much stuff going on. He threw these parties in Dallas and new Orleans, that's where the RNC was being held. So at the RNC in Dallas, in 84, that's the first time that John to camp had ever learned who Larry King was. And he was told that in order to be a good Republican, he had to attend this party that was sponsored by Larry King and honor of Debois Gilliam, who was getting the highest appointment of any black person and government at that time. So he was essentially like, you got to go to Larry King's party or else, you know, you're out of the Republican club.
Speaker 3:So that reminds me of, you know, next to that Vicky me and grow where he's like, I don't necessarily want to go to this party, but I have to. And I think it was a way for them to try to tempt him into doing something unsavory and that way they had something on him, like a, you know, maybe they were planning like a sort of blackmail. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, I definitely think that that was the case in a lot of these situations, they talk about it. And a lot of people, a lot of individuals in the story are said to have kept certain things, to be able to use them against the person that they were currently working with at the time, because they knew in the future, they were going to end up trying to blackmail him. I'm like, Jesus y'all are really y'all are some standup characters here, but yeah, it just sounds like politics in general is just such a crock of crap. You know, it's just,
Speaker 4:Well, we all knew that,
Speaker 2:You know, but you, sometimes you just have to hope, but I think the people that aren't are just so few and far between, and can they even do anything, you know, Bernie Sanders got, got hacked out of the job by the democratic party because they paid for Hillary to get her chance. So anyway, I mean, you know, it's just like, is, cause Bernie Sanders might be the only person that I ever saw that I was like, maybe he does care, but I don't even know if that's,
Speaker 4:Which is probably why he never made it. Cause you kinda like, you kind of have to be like a heartless cold-blooded cut throat jerk. It seems anyway, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:They're all crap is what I like. All of them they'll do whatever they want to get whatever they want. So they, uh, this party that he went to the night he met Larry King was at South fork ranch in Dallas, which is where they actually filmed the show, Dallas, which, I mean, I was like a little child when that was on. And I highly doubt anybody. Maybe some of you watch that show, but I highly doubt. Many of you did either way. They gave him this estimate that it was like a thousand bucks for this party. And John decamp was like, no way, no way. And he was, he was part of like this finance committee. So he was, he was, you know, familiar with figuring out costs of these types of things. And he was just like, no way.
Speaker 4:I imagine it does venting out the place would have cost a thousand for right. It would probably, yeah,
Speaker 2:It would probably be more. And um, he said all the top Republicans were at this party at the time Larry King, supposedly salary was$16,000 a year. But let's think about, I know, did we, we heard last episode about like all that mess that he was putting in his apartment like that silver chair we talked about just a second ago, even
Speaker 4:No things were like cheaper back then, but this isn't the 18 hundreds. We're like$16,000[inaudible]
Speaker 2:And like also they have mold, he had multiple apartments in different cities he had, who knows what else don't tell he was taking private planes places. Don't even try to tell me that that is what that man makes a year, because we'll learn in a little while that he has a lot of his other business dealings that I'm pretty sure are more lucrative than that$16,000 a year nonsense that they're talking about here. So the Nebraska credit union association filed a civil lawsuit against Larry King and they were able to itemize his personal expenditures, which were$4 million. Okay. And 1 million was on an American express credit card, just paying bills and whatnot. I'm sure all your mortgages and all of the different apartments that you've rented out to ferry off children to go have sex with your friends. There was$148,000 for just limousine charges. There were 70,000 for floral concepts is what it was, what they said, who knows. I mean, unless you really did spend 70 grand on just flowers, there was$61,000 on a MasterCard. There's about 40 on another credit card. He gave himself$37,000. And then 27,000 for Omaha jewelry. I mean, it was like shit, ton of money. Where's he getting this money? Well, we know that.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I do have a wonder
Speaker 2:Tens. The bank, the credit union had tens of millions of dollars of money that was totally unaccounted for. And this man is this man is sitting around, you know, spending like somebody's salary in 2018 on flowers, you know, spending more than somebody's salary.
Speaker 3:And it's like, just so Willy nilly too. There's no like thought behind it. It's just for two to spending just on whatever. So
Speaker 2:From decamps experience and he was the chairman of the banking, commerce and insurance committee, he said that with all the regulatory controls that are in place, it is absolutely impossible for that amount of a theft to occur without the cooperation of higher up officials. So decamp saying there's no way Larry King was able to pull this off on his own. It had to have included people that were the highest level officials and politicians. So that's pretty frightening. So he was insinuating that the government, the institutions of government had been compromised and obviously were crypt. So nobody expected that this investigation was going to lead to anything else beyond just like this huge financial scandal, because that in itself is insane.$40 million. This is absolutely crazy. But then people started mentioning the school superintendents being involved with prostitution of children, boys, and girls clubs being linked to this like child sex ring, essentially. And that there were stories that correlated years apart, like we heard some of them last episode and these kids had no relationship with one another and no contact in a time that they didn't have the technology that we have today to make contact with people across the country. So, so easily available. So it was just like we saw the last episode it's way, way too much of a coincidence for all of these children to have this exact same story with so many details, naming the same people, years apart, whatever they haven't seen each other in so long. I mean, it's ridiculous. I want to punch you in the face. If you believe that crap,
Speaker 3:It would have taken a lot of work to get Oreos. Right. And everybody coinciding with each other. So yeah, it's not like they could have hopped on messenger and sent out a mass email
Speaker 2:That those stories like corroborate so much that even one individual they're lying has a hard time keeping their story that in sync, you know, with the other stories that they told, unless they were just really good at it, let alone handfuls and handfuls of children who hadn't talked to each other in years or seeing each other. It's totally ridiculous that you would even begin to say such a thing. And I mean, I'm just going to continue to talk about that part of it throughout this whole story, because it's the most outrageous aspect of this entire story is that these kids were abused so terribly and then, or made to feel like they did something wrong in the end. Are you kidding me right now? Really with that? Totally ridiculous. Anyway, I don't even think I was supposed to be talking about that right now, but I got on it. Um, no I did. Yeah. And so road's always led to Larry damn King who was the center of this whole thing who is obviously abusing kids and using kids left and right. Until you do some sort of weird political shimmying, I guess. So, yeah. We heard all that evidence. People were really getting fired up about it. And there were senators that were just getting emotional, listening to testimony that they were hearing. And then the, you know, the Omaha police, chief Bob Wadman and the attorney general, who we talked about last episode, general Spire, who did nothing about the investigation whatsoever and was a total loser he gave to this, this investigative committee gave us, they both gave these lame excuses that they did everything they could to investigate these allegations of abuse. And it came to nothing. No evidence was strong enough to total BS. They said they acted promptly and professionally, you know, that attorney general didn't do anything at all. The guy couldn't even tell you the details about the case in any way whatsoever. Like my husband could probably tell you more details about the case because I talked about it to him when he's forced to walk with me in the morning, because otherwise he doesn't care. So the legislators Franklin committee, they hired their first investigator before Gary Kerry Dory. His name is Jerry Lowe. And he sent a memo that the matter was complex, that there was growing concern in the community of a coverup going on. And he was concerned that anything that he did was going to be overly examined by the public. He found that lyric King was involved in guns and money transfers that were going into Nicaragua and that there was involvement by the CIA and that there was a possible white house connection here. And there was some connection between missing money from the Franklin credit union, the, the savings and loans crisis that we talked about last episode, where people made a run on the bank and everything was in total turmoil. Banks had to go into bankruptcy and people lost their money. There was, and then funneling money to Haiti and Nicaragua. So I'm like not really sure what exactly Larry King was involved in here, but it definitely seems like his position at the bank was really just to make him have money at his disposal, I guess, so that he could do some sort of other business somewhere else, that involved people that were more influential than just his little credit union connections.
Speaker 3:So I'm not a criminal expert, so this might not be the right term, but so is the bank essentially just like a money laundering hub?
Speaker 2:Well, no, because money laundering would be if they were actually, well, they may be kind of money laundering, but it doesn't seem like they're actually keeping the money there. So money laundering would be a business that you set up so that when you make money illegally, that you don't want to report, you can transfer it through that in order to maybe you already know that, but you can transfer it through, through that business to make it then legal money. It's like washing it. But in this situation, they're actually just stealing people's deposited money and using it as their own. And then it's totally unaccounted for. So it's like, it was just a matter of time before they were caught, but they apparently got away with it for some dang time. Cause$40 million was stolen. And the reason that they were able to do it was because there were people higher up that were allowed or enabling it to happen. And so does that mean higher up in Nebraska? Does it mean higher up in the country? Like, like this is insinuating here that the CIA and there was a white house connection involved in this theft. That's how this makes it so much more than just some local guy who's, you know, running a child sex ring. There's more going on here. Like the child sex to the government, perhaps in their involvement. That's the less bad thing. The other thing is the like illegal gun trading and drug dealing essentially. And in transferring large amounts of stolen money to whoever, you know, I'm not saying the child abuse is the less important thing I'm saying. That's the most important thing, obviously, but they're more worried about covering their butts on that part of it too. I mean, what the heck ever it is? Uh, it does freak me out a little bit. I was a little, I'm getting a little freaked out by this story. Just the more I get into it, I was like, what happened to John to camp? Is he alive to someone kill him? I didn't even know. Okay.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's not crazy, honestly, what happened? So he actually ended up dying. He went to like a veteran nursing home and he suffered from Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and he ended up passing away at the state veteran's home in your home. Okay. But that was just what was said.
Speaker 2:Well, so yeah. Oh, and so in this low guy says that it was mind boggling, the amount of documented cases of child abuse and sexual abuse that dated back several years with no enforcement action being taken by the appropriate agencies. Obviously that's the horrendous part of this, for sure. He also found evidence that I was like, what are kidding me right now after all this? Oh, this man. So, okay. There was evidence that the Omaha police chief Bob Wadman, I really hate this guy so much stayed at Larry's home in Washington, DC. But he had said in court last episode that he didn't even, he hardly knew the guy. Okay. So I'm just really, if only I could make a noise, that was my side eye. Okay. So lo spoke to Loretta, who we spoke about last episode, who was that child who had endured some serious abuse. And we had been in and out of the mental hospital, he interviewed Nellie Patterson who had dropped the web part of her name, who we spoke about last episode, who had been abused by her foster father Gerrit Webb, who was related to Larry King
Speaker 4:In marriage. And this was, that was that couples home that they found a bunch of stuff in right now the kids try to flee all the time and they have like up to 10 foster children. Yeah. And we find out, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:Talk about those losers survey. Actually, as we find out reading further, it was all orchestrated. And I know it's going to sound crazy, but it was all orchestrated in order to, they funneled children to certain homes. So they funneled 10 children at a time to the web home in order for Larry King, to be able to take those children and use them for his pornography and sex trafficking essentially. Is it, is it sex trafficking at that point or is it just forced prostitution?
Speaker 4:So this was all premeditated. Like everything was calculated and planned out. Nothing happened by accident. It was all
Speaker 2:Right in a second, but they had freaking people in place when they began to investigate Larry King disappeared or ran off to a different state or resigned altogether. I mean, it is insane. It is insane. I don't know how high up it goes, but I do know that there were multiple reports that George Bush sr was at these parties. I'm not saying that. I mean, he was just the president, you know, what's a president in the grand scheme of things,
Speaker 4:You know, you seem to have been out a lot of places. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. There was this and they, somebody else organized another group that was trying to figure out what really happened here. But they had kind of an ulterior motive. They were more trying to disprove what these allegations were. And the two people who formed this group were part of the financial advisory group that was appointed by that governor Carey jerk off that we talked about last episode, who was the governor? So this loser governor and these people were overseeing this investigation into the Franklin credit union, which is a joke in itself because these people are corrupt and kerfuffle as they come. And they concluded that Larry King spent all his money on flowers, limos, gold watches, and generally extravagant lifestyle. But we're talking about millions and millions dollars here and that's bull crap. Like where was this?$40 million?
Speaker 3:And like back then too, you know, things were like I said earlier, things were a lot cheaper back then slipped$40 million. So the inflation rate of$40 million in 1982 now 2018 would be 128 million, 565,000. Oh my gosh.$19. I have no idea they living it up or he is living it up. Like it's just,
Speaker 2:And they're passing that money around because his cousin remember the web, the monster web woman, she had all hand made dresses or something bizarre. These people all just were like spending all this money. It was just people in the community's money. Unfortunately, for those people, for members of the Franklin credit union investigation, the legislative committee investigation resigned and they were freaked out. I mean, I guess you can understand there's some serious, weird stuff going on, but that was even before the whole Gary carrot Ori thing happened. Cause then they hired Gary Kara Dory. He was told repeatedly that people were afraid to divulge information because of the retribution from the alleged perpetrators. And also that they'd be publicly discredited by the Omaha world Herald, which was run by a bunch of pedophile creeps as well. The people began to think that the lack of progress and their investigation meant that they were trying to cover it up. So people were not trusting the people of the community. Weren't trusting this Franklin and legislative committee. So they realized that they needed to start interviewing some of these victims instead of just getting second hand information and their interviews gave them a ton of information. And the people that it implicated were all the same people that were being named over and over and over, which was rusty Nelson. Dewerd Finch that superintendent Larry King and all this information corroborated with the information that came from Brenda Parker, who we had heard about last episode, who her and her mom went and got pictures taken at rusty Nelsons and were given fruit,
Speaker 3:Champagne and weirdness
Speaker 2:And Nellie Patterson and her sister Kimberley, the former webs who had been abused by the Webb family. So it was pretty obvious that, you know, not only did those stories corroborate with each other, but now there was even more people who these stories corroborated with. So then we bring in Alicia Owen. So Gary, Kara Dory, before he died, he and his assistant, Karen, they went to a women's reformatory in York, Nebraska to interview 21 year old Alicia Owen, who was incarcerated on a bad check conviction. And they interviewed her for three hours. And she had said that she had been heavily involved with various individuals of higher esteem, I guess, in Nebraska. And so she was also involved with other minors and pornography, and that included police chief Robert Wadman, that guy who we've talked about extensively also said he didn't know Larry King, who she says was a pedophile. And although the Omaha world Herald, then after that reported that Alicia's thought out, Gary, Kara Dory, to tell this story to him because she wanted to get, I don't know, some sort of bizarre fame out of the situation. That's totally untrue. And Gary, Kara Dory went to her specifically and she also didn't even tell him everything on their first meeting because she didn't trust him. And it was only after she spoke to her psychiatrist at the reformatory that she finally told Gary Dory, all the stuff that happened to her and it's horrific. So in her first interview, Owen stated that she met Larry King in 1983 when she was 14 years old. And she met him through some boys that she knew that were at boys town, who invited her to a party sometime in August and 83 at the twin towers, penthouse, which we spoke about last episode. Some other people have talked about being there. And then here, she just brings up that little detail. She says at this party that she went to, there was Larry King, there was police, chief Wadman and multiple other men. And there was approximately six adults and 20 kids, both female and male, there was professionally made pornography that was being played that showed two teenage males having sex. That was what everybody was watching, I guess when they were sitting around at this party, which
Speaker 3:Cool. So it's just a huge part of this, if you're, I don't want to say if you're not familiar with pedophiles, because that sounds terrible. But like the big thing that they do with, you know, it's called grooming, um, conditioning. So the more they expose these children to these types of things, the more complacent, I suppose they will be, they'll feel more powerless and really they have no way out. Cause that's all they know.
Speaker 2:Right. And like, this is what people do, you know?
Speaker 3:Yes. Do.
Speaker 2:So Alicia saw Larry King and a young boy go into a bedroom. She saw an high profile man, Alfie Allen go into a bedroom multiple times with different boys. And she observed a 14 year old boy sitting on a man who we'll talk about later Harold Anderson's lab, but she's giving these names. Okay. Like this isn't just like, they piece it together later. She, when she's telling the investigators the story, she's giving specific names of specific events and dates, there was all sorts of stuff going on. So she went to a second party a month later, she gave the specific date of September 21st or 22nd in 1983. And it was at this party that the police chief, Robert Weidman said that she was pretty and asked her if she had anything on underneath her dress.
Speaker 3:Talk about wanting to like punch someone in the throat. Gross. That's just me.
Speaker 2:Oh, uh, I'm sure it's everybody. Uh, or hopefully it's everybody. Um, she said sometime later that she was, she sat on his lap and he told her that he knew that she wasn't a Virgin and started trying to like feel her breasts and complimenting them and then begin like unzip her dress and touch her in a sexual way. And she asked him to stop and he grabbed her wrist very tight and twisted it and started asking her questions about if she knew what fellatio was and told him that she needed to show him. And she, you said that afterwards that she began to cry and she ran away and threw up, obviously. Yeah, I would imagine so. And so, okay. We're talking about the chief of police here. There are multiple other, I mean, she gives specific incidences where he rapes her molester and different public places where they'll go to like a basement or something. I mean, specific places and days. And she says that at the parties, there was always sexual encounters that they involve boys and girls that Larry King was there generally, generally Bob Wadman was there generally the superintendent of a school was there. We've heard about a superintendent of a school multiple times from other people and that photography would be taken. And when she described that, the person that would be taking the photos all the time, because they would always be photographing all the things that were going on at these parties kind of like should I said also before, because you can use them to blackmail. So whatever pervs came to these parties, even though the people running them did the same damn thing, they can use the photos they took in order to make these people do certain things that they want them to do later on down the road. So it's top notch BS, the kind of stuff that you're like, it's the stuff doesn't go on. And I'm like telling ya, it happens, man. So she described the person that took the pictures as 27 blonde with acne scars and lo and behold, I'll say that a couple of times, this episode, lo and behold, that is the exact description of rusty Nelson. So that's another corroborating. I just don't even understand. She didn't, she couldn't tell the name, but she knew his description and you know, other kids knew his name. It's just totally crazy. Rusty Nelson just sounds like a creepy name too. I'm just going to say, I know that sounds like a gross sexual position. Like what in the world? I mean, maybe I don't even know his real name, who knows? She'd witnessed the police with little boys on his lap that would go in, he would go into bedrooms with them. So not only was Alicia Owen being molested by this dude, he clearly didn't have any, you know, he didn't care what he was doing. He just, he was just a pedophile period. She later, and this is corroborated by other victims and you know, years apart. But it's said that Alicia Owen got pregnant when she was 15 and that she knew it was police chief Wadman who, who had been pregnant, hated her at 15 because of raping her because she had specific dates. She said like August 7th, 10th, 12th in 17th, Robert Wadman raped me. She had specific where she had been molested by Robert Wadman and that they timed perfectly with her getting pregnant and didn't have relations with anybody else. So it's totally bizarre. I'm like, almost like, I wonder if they ever did a paternity test, if they would ever, if he ever could have, maybe he wouldn't even,
Speaker 4:You know, if they did that, it would've never been confirmed or anything, you know, to protect this Creek. So I, I would see them like defaming her character, making her out to be some teenage promiscuity gal. So they're like, Oh yeah, she's known for this type of behavior. So who knows really honestly. And it really sucks. It really does.
Speaker 2:For sure. I mean, when we talk about the grand jury and a little bit it's infuriating, she talks about a man named Harold Anderson who liked young boys and had a regular boy that was 14 named Jeremy. She talked about the superintendent who lived. She said, approximately 40 miles from Omaha. He was gay, older balding. He had bad teeth. He was approximately six foot tall. That is the exact description of doers Finch, who was the superintendent of schools. And Danny King was another witness who said he had had sex with the same, man. I mean, there are so much evidence of these kids saying the exact same thing that judge Theodore Carlson was implicated. Actually, he had waited at this French cafe where I guess for some reason, this molestation was going on at this place with multiple different people. And this judge was waiting for her downstairs in the basement to perform oral sex on him. Okay. Yeah. Sorry.
Speaker 4:How many adults are pedophile? I don't know. I don't. I have really like, I want to cry right now because I'm just like, what is wrong with people? It's not just like one hit, it's an entire group and you're just like screwing these people up. These are babies. These are, these are living beings that need you to raise them and nurture them and well be kind to them like, what is wrong with you? That's why
Speaker 2:Paul Benassi has multiple personality disorder. It's because of everything that he had to go through, like the doctor says it,
Speaker 4:He had to protect himself. That's a way
Speaker 2:Only way for him to cope with the trauma that he was experiencing. And it is so terrible. And then they use that as a way to lie and say that he can't tell the truth. It's crazy. No, it's like, it's infuriating.
Speaker 4:I'm just thinking like what, at what point did humanity like make this? Cause it just seems like it got worse from there. You know? Like,
Speaker 2:Well, like I said that to Peter one day and he was like, well, I mean, at some point having sex with kids that was just normal. I mean, and then it became not normal, but it, now people still want to do it. There's obviously some sort of weird thing. Many people have where they want to have sex with kids.
Speaker 4:Well, have you ever watched interviews with, what do they call it? Like non-active pedophiles where people know they're pedophiles, but like they don't act upon it. Yeah. Like the most bizarre thing I'm like, but you're still very sick. Yeah. But I mean, that's
Speaker 2:Not as gross and terrible as it is. It's like, it's not necessarily, this popped up out of nowhere. Like that might be a whole thing all on its own
Speaker 3:Series. Do we, do we categorize it as like a mental illness? Like, is it a disease or is it just pure human depravity? I don't know.
Speaker 2:No, no, I really don't. I think that definitely might be something to look into. Honestly, not that it's, I mean, it's so awful,
Speaker 3:But this is the gravity. This is sick. Like this is a whole new level.
Speaker 2:So Owens was always really upset when she was talking about this stuff. Also, she said that Bob Wadman told her that Larry King owes him a lot and that he has done a lot for Larry King. She said that the Omaha mayor, PJ Morgan supplied a lot of drugs. So I was like, Oh wow. Uh, basically everybody that was everybody that's in this city is like corrupt as heck. Anyway. I mean, she, she was talking about how she always, she took tons of plane trips to different cities, specifically to have sex with these men or go to these parties that had been set up by Larry King. It was always under his direction. And they were also multiple other miners that would accompany her. I mean, she was threatened with being murdered. Somebody said that they would cut off her nipples if she, if she didn't perform oral sex on them. Um, this is seriously terrible and terrifying abuse. And you know, anybody that went through that would be severely traumatized. And this is a girl who at the time was 15 years old, you know? And then when she tells her freaking story, she's told that she did do suffer the abuse, but she's lying about who did it and they're going to send her to jail. I mean, are you freaking kidding me? Does the whole state need to be burned down? I'm just kidding. Cause I know that we have some very lovely listeners in Nebraska.
Speaker 3:I just, it's such a weird, concentrated amount of corruption. It's weird. But I mean the weird, I don't even know.
Speaker 2:Maybe they were just the one city that was unable to keep it under wraps, you know, who even knows like how much
Speaker 3:It goes on. And I guess we don't really know.
Speaker 2:Owen stated that the governor Bob Kerry, who he talks about last episode, who we knew as corrupt as it stood, he actually knew about all these activities that were going on as far as the child prostitution and Larry King told her. So, so that's the governor of the state at the time, they were also friends with Jay, that judge Carlson, who had been named multiple times and the assistant Douglas County attorney, Tom McKinney. These are pretty high power people in the town that, and the County, even that are taking part in these child abuse activities. So that's fairly troubling. I would, I would think so. We were talking about earlier about how it seemed like the kids were kind of being funneled certain homes where they would be able to be made available for abuse. And there was a social worker named Florence Davis who had been associated with all these various cases. And they suspected that she may be funneling kids into certain foster homes and the director of a Omaha children's home came to the Franklin when legislature committee with this information, she said that she had a meeting with Florence Davis regarding the going to the web home before it happened. And that she didn't think that they should, that she didn't think it was a good fit for some of the children that were trying to, they were trying to place in the web home, but they told her Florence Davis and her, this other person that was with her told her that they would not change their minds about these kids going to the web home. That's what they told her. They said, no matter what, they're going here, we're not going to change our minds.
Speaker 5:So that's awfully sexy
Speaker 2:In the first place, considering that the, the, the person that ran the children's home didn't even want those kids going there. And the first place, and immediately after Larry King began to be investigated, Florence Davis fled the state and went to California and didn't list her phone number or forwarding address the person that was with her in those meetings, the permanency planner at the same time, time, he went on sick leave and then he ended up resigning right as he was supposed to come back from sick leave. So la-di-da what, what a coincidence. There was another boy who gave video testimony money for Gary[inaudible] and his name was Troy Bonner. He met Larry King at a party in 1984 where Larry King came up and just grabbed his crotch. And that's like a 14 year old boy. They told him one of his friends was working for Larry and said that he could make money by going to these parties and having sex with the old dudes and whatnot. And so even though at first he was kind of like, I don't think that's my thing. He ended up the money and cars that some of these boys were getting from Larry King and some of these other men enough for some of these other guys to be like, well, I'm gonna check it out and see what happens. And then they get tangled up in this terrible web of abuse and being threatened. If they're going to tell anybody or try to leave. And some of these stories are so terrible and we're not going to talk about all of them. Cause there's like so many individual testimonies of these kids, kids are absolutely horrific that it's very clear how terrifying the situation was to them and how that in itself created this fear where they felt like they had no other option, but to like be participants in this horrifying, you know, prostitution, forced prostitution situation. It was really terrible. So yeah. So Troy boner, he had a ton of stories where he was essentially saying generally the same thing as everybody else was that they were used by certain men. They were taking the parties and chosen. They were certain men would schedule to have them come to their apartment or at one of these apartments that like the twin towers or some various other motel or something like that, where they would be used for sex. And then they would be given some amount of money and that there were police officers taking part. There were people that ran the newspaper. There were just like all mayors, all sorts of people were taking place in this. And they were naming names. And they all, like there was four individuals that gave Gary charactery video testimony that they were the four children that were, are there. They were making these allegations of abuse against all of these huge, you know, high up people in Omaha. And they all corroborated with each other time and time again, times places, people, things that were going on. I mean, it was just ridiculous. And even, you know, of some of them knowing of the like, uh, Troy Bonner said, he knew that that Alicia Owen had been impregnated by chief of police, Robert Wadman. I mean, just so many terrible things. Anyway. So Gary curatory interviewed these people for like over three hours. Some of them were five hours long. I mean, they were visibly upset when they were telling these stories. They had so much detail, they all identify all of these high name people, and then it didn't really make a difference, honestly. So they had sent all of these tapes and all in, and also when Gary carrot already interviewed people, he made extensive notes and listed multiple different sources that could be gone to, to for followup and corroboration. And they delivered all of this to local state and federal law enforcement. And they, they all got copies of everything and the interviews of the kids and the Douglas County, sheriff Dick Roth said that he believed the victim witnesses. So the Franklin committee has Gary Kurt already investigating and interviewing all of these victim witnesses and everything's corroborating with each other. And then that's when John decamped decides to write the, what is becomes known as the decamp memo.
Speaker 3:So just to recap on who John de camp was, he was a member of the Republican party and he served in the Nebraska legislature from 1971 to 1987. And he was also an attorney. He ended up serving in Vietnam and he was the ones who initiate operation baby lift, which they evacuated 2000 orphan Vietnamese children. After that he proceeded to serve as an aid to former CIA director, William Colby, and Ashley has been talking about him. So he actually did a few things for the Franklin cover up and he ended up writing the book itself, the coverup, which the grand jury that ended up being just a elaborate hope. And it was like this crafted, elaborate just all these like allegations when blowing off basically. And then after that, he wrote the, the camp memo, which I have some exits from. And again, the grand jury pretty much put it off as like allegations were dismissed as personal political gain and revenge for the per past actions alleged against the camp. So they're just saying like, he just did all this to get back at like a few people which, who goes to these lists, crazy links, right? And so the discovery channel, there was a documentary called conspiracy of silence that the camp was the lead perspective on, but the documentary was never aired. And it was about the Franklin coverup and the documentary cover the child sex ring, including information on Pravin, nasi, alleged white house tours in which Craig J Spence was a Republican lobbyist. And he was involved in these so-called white house tours. And in one of these instances on June 29th, 1989, um, Spence had a 15 year old boy with him who he falsely identified as his son. So I don't know if y'all remember when, when one of the CIA operatives was talking to decamp about how he needs to just like shut this whole thing down. And there's like powers above him that are so dark and sinister. Like he does not stand a chance against any of these people. And in the memo, he actually says something like, you know, you were right. I shouldn't have done this. I'm, you know, basically like I just kind of fear for my fate.
Speaker 2:They were trying to say that the camp had like these ulterior motives for doing this and that he was trying to get back at somebody, but he brought it, he brought the whole situation to the attention of Senator Schmidt long before the whole Franklin thing even happened because of the various allegations of sexual abuse that were being made that he had found out about. So it's just such a bunch of crap that they try to make it out to like that he was trying to get revenge on some political enemy because of the Franklin situation. And that was really something that happened after he started this whole investigation into this Franklin like sex scandal stuff. So that just happened to, you know, the sex scandal stuff happened to fall like all on one central place, which was the Franklin credit union. So it wasn't like he started with that in mind, you know, it was that just happened to become the center of the, of the whole sex scandal
Speaker 3:Anyway. Well, and like in the memo, he, the memo was just like, uh, screw it. I'm just going to go all out type of ordeal. Like he started naming all these big names and everybody kind of affiliated with it. And yeah, he went on to say that in the case of Larry King and the cadre of people, he dealt with closely boys and girls like Colvin Aussie, Troy Bonner ganking and Alicia Owen were used as drug couriers for a national program of illegal narcotics marketing. Essentially, they were just like throw away kids and that, because they were two years or younger, when they were doing this activity, they provided a perfect insulation blanket between the real drugs. Czar is like Larry King and Alan bear and the law. So they were like just toys essentially for these units to do all this. And they didn't right. You have a heck. What happened to them
Speaker 2:Were used as drug mules and they were used as sex slaves. And I really think that in that book, that Hunter S Thompson wrote that he really was being completely 100% factual when he was saying that these really powerful and elite men and sometimes women buy and sell kids and give them for gifts. Like, like they're just items. Something else that I wanted to add here was, so when decamp wrote this memo, Senator Schmidt was asking him for legal advice on how he should proceed. And the camp told Senator Schmidt that he needed to go way above the police had, like he needed to go to the, as high up as he could possibly go to report this stuff so that it couldn't be covered up by anybody. And he specifically was talking about the charges against police, chief, Robert Wadman, who was now being alleged to have molested multiple children and impregnated one. So they together went to go talk to the regional head of the FBI that was Nick O'Hara and he stopped them after they began to give their a case against Robert Rodman telling him that he said that chief Robert Rodman was probably the closest friend in the whole world to him and that anyone accusing him would be taking on the FBI. So our child molesting piece of trash police, chief Robert Wadman is being defended by the head of the FBI in this area. Are you kidding me right now? Like, are you kidding me? First of all, does this FBI guy then not either not know his friend at all, or is he also molesting children in basements of French restaurants? Right?
Speaker 3:What the hell? It just sucks. You have all this like evidence and proof essentially. And then you you're, you're kind of excited to go find someone that could help you. And it just ends up being another pawn in the game. And you're just kinda like forwarded and it's a horror movie. Yeah. Your efforts are squashed. So
Speaker 2:It's like every freaking horror movie that you've ever seen where you're like running from a killer and you finally find some car driving by that stops to save you. And then in that car is another killer. How terrible you're never going to get freaking justice for any of these people. It's truly bizarre.
Speaker 3:So in the memo, like I mentioned before, he, he kind of concludes by saying bill Colby, you were right. It is too big. I am too small. They're too huge and powerful and go up too high in business in government for me to touch them or do anything about it. Yes. It is something that I should have abandoned a long time ago and faced up to the fact that good does not always triumph and that evil with many faces does sometimes succeed. I know, but I mean a good on him for not giving up and just like accepting it and letting it, you know, go on her.
Speaker 2:So it eventually got published his decamp memo.
Speaker 3:What is it called? It was like his last attempt essentially to be like, this is what I know if you want it.
Speaker 2:So around this time, the Omaha world Herald began immediately publishing in their newspaper, all this stuff to discredit these victim witnesses, Gary Kerry, Dory, John decamp, Senator Schmidt, essentially everybody that was coming out against all of these high figure, people that are being named as being abusers and this child sex ring and whatnot. And we know that. And we'll, you know, we've talked about it, we'll talk about it. There are the former publisher of the paper and one of its lead writers are both named by all of these kids multiple times for being part of this sex ring. So this stupid paper, the Omaha world Herald is the only paper. It's the only statewide paper in the whole state of Nebraska essentially created all of this false information in order to discredit everything about this Franklin case because of their ties to it. And so there were actually, you know, people in Nebraska where that may be their only news source. So they are then left to think, Oh, okay, these kids did make this story up. And these people are making this story up. They have all these other motives that we didn't know about and you know, it's total bull crap. Um, it's totally insane, but they were completely able to do this as the only single statewide paper in the state. And Kara Dory was really worried about the safety of the witnesses of the victims who had come out and made statements against these people and had wanted to get them into some sort of protected environment. And it was like crazy, the links that they had to go to in order to meet about this with people that weren't going to go straight away until a bunch of people that were trying to stop them from doing this. There's like a Senator, another Senator, a sheriff, uh, the representative of the Douglas County district court and a judge and Gary, Cara Dory, all had to hold a secret meeting in this auto body shop one evening to meet about how they may be able to get protection for these victims. And honestly, they all said that it was hopeless because they couldn't get anywhere because somewhere along the chain, there was somebody that was going to stop them. Like the head of the FBI who was best friends with the sheriff or the, the, the, uh, chief of police. Yeah. The sheriff of the Douglas County was actually a good guy who would have liked to have stopped this from happening, but they couldn't do anything about it. And so there was another newspaper, the Lincoln journal that was owned by the world Herald, and they also ran stories to try to discredit. And they, their, their journalists made up all sorts of information and stories to just credit people and link people together that hadn't been linked together. And the way that she described to try and bolster the claim that everybody that was talking about the Franklin credit union and the ties that it had to the sex scandals and pro child prostitution, it was a giant hoax, basically like we've talked about multiple times. They're just trying to make links of these different people in order to make them look, look like they had some, they did something wrong instead of it being that victims came forward and told these people, their stories. And they came to the appropriate authorities with those stories, but were like, should I just said squashed by everybody that they came to. So after Alicia Owen, Troy Bonner and Danny King, Gary carries forth witness was Paul Benassi, who we have spoken about multiple times. He was the boy who we talked about at Bohemian Grove, who named Hunter Thompson as the person that filmed the snuff film, where they killed that boy and made Pavin, Nazi do sexual things to the body. Paul had said he knew Alicia Owen. He knew Troy Bon earning. He knew Danny King. And he was able to tell him the last time that he saw them, what year it was. And he said he had been the victim of Alan bear, a guy we've talked about multiple times, Peter Citron, who I just told you about from the Omaha world Herald. He was one of the top reporters, Bob Wadman and Larry King, Harold Anderson, which was the former publisher of the Omaha world Herald and a judge Carlson. He named all of these same names that we've heard from Alicia, Ellen, Troy Bonner, the children who escaped from the web home, Brenda Parker, who had the encounter with rusty Nelson. I mean, all of these kids over and over, he said that he'd been on at least 200 trips that he said he took specifically at Larry King's order to have sex with these men. He'd gone to California, Washington, DC, Dallas, Miami, Houston, Austin, Tampa, Lincoln, basically every city in America had Larry King, delivering young boys and girls to them for people to have sex with them. So if you think your town is not included here, I'm sure they just didn't mention it. It's like everybody in every single city in the United States has some break-in creep ready to do some sick craft, some kid. Yay. So also Paul Manasi had gone to the Omaha police about being abused by these specific people long before the Franklin credit union was under investigation by the legislative committee or anybody else. So there are a lot of people that try to discredit him and say that he was coming out for like fame because the situation went public. And he was trying to get help from being an, a victim of abuse long before the Franklin situation was ever in the public. So that's a load of crap. And again, just another way that these people tried to turn around this abuse and make it that these children are somehow to blame or are the perpetrators of illegal activities. And I mean, it is just so insane. I, it makes me wonder, like, how much does this happen? How often does this happen? And like how many people have been accused or convicted of some nonsense based off of some corrupt?
Speaker 3:Well, it's like when we talked about, you know, when young people get kidnapped or taken away and then forced into prostitution, and then they get busted and they end up charging and punishing the people that really didn't have a choice, it was either life or death, you know? Right. Like that's a stupid, yeah,
Speaker 2:It's definitely, it's totally insane to me that we can have adults and authority figures, abused children. And then we're going to come around and say, you know what? You get for saying something about it. Well, we're going to put you in jail or we're going to make your life such hell. Anyway. So Paul Benassi had said that he had attempted suicide many times due to the horrific abuse that he suffered, which is so sad. And also to me, it really drove home. Like he was so afraid of Larry King and what he called his people and the situations that they would just, these kids would describe are so terrifying or they're being threatened with like extreme violence in order for them to perform sexual acts for these adults. And then their lives are threatened after it's over. Like, they're so afraid that these people are going to come back and kill them, that they can't even get into the shower or go to sleep, you know, 13, 15, whatever year old kids, I can barely wrap my brain around this whole situation and how it was handled. I can't even, you know, it's like, it's unreal to me. I cannot believe it. I can believe it, but I don't want to believe it.
Speaker 3:It's weird because like, they try to dismiss Paul Aussie so hard and try to make him out to be like, this huge liar is weird in that documentary where he like led them to that house, that house and pointed out the underground tunnel where all the kids' names where they would keep exactly.
Speaker 2:And like what you would find written on the underneath the, yeah. Yeah. And he said he hadn't had contact with Lisha Owens since 1986. This was in 1990 that he was telling this stuff to Cara Dory. So he hadn't talked to Alicia Owen and in four years he hadn't seen Troy Bonner or Danny King since 1987. He hadn't had physical, verbal or written communication with any of them since those times. So that's a long time to just be corroborating together and like telepathically, I guess. Yeah. I mean, he said somebody had is, has to tell the story and it might as well be me. I mean, and some of the stuff that he endured is he didn't even want to say it out loud or write it down. But I mean, some of it was so traumatizing to him and he flew all over America to have sex with these people who also forced him to do horrific things like have sex with a boy, they just murdered and then bite his penis off and then bring it out later and all the while they're filming this. And then they use that film later to like force him to watch it and make him do even more things. So Paul Benassi was actually diagnosed with multiple personality disorder. That is not a psychosis. It's a neurosis that is brought on by having to endure, especially at such a young age, such horrific brutal abuse that you begin to develop this disorder as a coping mechanism, to be able to handle your life and be able to even remotely try to go on living without just killing yourself, which he tried to do multiple times and the world Herald and the prosecutor for the grand jury and the grand jury. They all tried to make him out to be just this crazy line kid. And we're talking about a child that develops a disorder to cope with his life and tried to kill himself multiple times. He had nothing to gain in any way by saying any of this stuff whatsoever. And he said, you know, that there were some of the most appraised things going on. And Larry King would just be sitting there laughing and smiling and videotaping while rusty Nelson went around and taking photos. And that the kids that they forced to participate in this stuff were so traumatized that they would, when they would be left alone from these men, they would link to each other for just like hours because they, they were just like so afraid to live, you know, because they're constantly being abused and threatened. And I mean, what kind of existence is that? I mean, that is just so horrific. So yeah, I mean, there's so much total bullshit. So John decamp wrote his decamp memo and seven days after the sudden death of Gary Kara Dory, who AF, you know, after doing so much investigation and interviewing of actual victims in the Franklin case, he had so much evidence that they have an entire room to the original copies of all of his evidence, or they did at the time an entire room in this building was filled with Gary.[inaudible] his evidence, his notes. He had like 10 names for every single person that you could follow up to verify what they had to say. The grand jury was formed for this case. And that's where the grand jury, they completely discounted entire areas of the Franklin case that had been investigated already. And they decided that it was all, like Shai said a minute ago, a carefully crafted hoax,
Speaker 3:The five prominent individuals or known as central figures and the grand jury exonerated, the five saying we found no credible evidence of child, sexual abuse, interstate transportation of minors, drug trafficking, or participation in pornography ring. Um, even though which, how, how did you not, this guy has a room dedicated to it. Okay. Right. They didn't even look. I know they didn't even look at his evidence. So the grand jury, this is like classless to me. Okay. The grand jury also quoted Shakespeare as King Henry the fourth saying rumor is a pipe blown by a surmises jealousies, conjectures, and have so easy. And so plain, I stopped that the blunt monster with uncounted heads, the still does coordinate wavering, holds the tooth can play upon it. Rumors and innuendo. I'm like, why you got, gotta be so tactless. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, in, first of all, go back to drama class, you little bitch, and stop trying to be a prosecutor on a grand jury. Maybe like take evidence into account. Cause they didn't even do that before you say,
Speaker 3:Yeah. Oh my gosh. And, and basically it's just a bunch of kids making up these crazy insane rumors, go fly a kite. So the other grand jury made no formal accusation. It is suspected that a state investigator looking into the sexual allegations had been duped by an executive who had been dismissed by boys town at home. Boystown is a home for troubled youth in Omaha. And it said the unemployed executive identified as Michael Casey might have fueled the fire rumor and innuendo because of personal grudges.
Speaker 2:I was the only like independent journalists, like looking into looking into this case. So of course they're going to discredit him because they're doodling boys on the side. So cool. Because all these people are connected to some way to some of this, every single person.
Speaker 3:And I mean, we've mentioned POB, Manassian Alicia Owen a lot. And these were the two witnesses that were charged with perjury. And they were indicted after two other witnesses who had supported their accounts, recanted all the events and whatnot. So their stories are matching up. They're not just saying all these different things,
Speaker 2:Then everybody's stories match up the whole damn time. Like, you know, there's never a time where someone's story doesn't really match up, but it doesn't really seem to make a difference because the grand jury only looked at the video evidence that Gary Kara taped. And they went into that with the prosecutor, telling them that the person who conducted these interviews had an agenda when he was taping these interviews. So he was feeding these people questions and ideas. That's what they claimed. So then the grand jury turns around and comes up with this with this determination and it's utter crap. Cause they didn't even look at the room filled with evidence that Gary[inaudible] had given them or would have given them if he hadn't have died in a plane accident that some creep probably cause, and they didn't even subpoena Larry King, who is the central figure of this entire investigation because they said what they claimed was that they knew he would plead the fifth and thus not give them information. But we find out per Loretta and a few other witnesses that the prosecutor on the case had actually bragged about how whenever he knew that people he had subpoenaed were coming in to testify for the grand jury. And he knew they were going to plead the fifth. He bragged about how he was going to have an easy day. And he looked forward to the days when people were going to complete the fifth, but yet they didn't subpoena Larry King because he would play the fifth. So what's the point. But then they did with other people, even though Larry King was the central figure in this whole case. How does that make any sense? Unless you're deliberately trying to not have Larry King come testify because you're trying to cover this whole thing up. I mean, and like we talked about last episode, they admitted that the abuse took place, but that the kids were lying about the names that they named, even though they all named the exact same names or the exact same physical description. It's like what
Speaker 3:The other two witnesses recanted their allegations. So then those two recanted and then Paul and Alicia were indicted for unrelated charges. I'm pretty sure Alicia went to prison. Her credit card fraud. Oh, is it okay?
Speaker 2:Cause they indicted her on her allegations against police chief Robert Waldman. So I don't know what they convicted her on. Other than perjury about that abuse by Robert Robert Walkman. I can't say it.
Speaker 3:You know, I don't know what the reason they would do that.
Speaker 2:Also they actually indicted three people who had allegations of abuse against them. Alan Baer, Peter Citron, and Jared Webb, who we knew from the web household. So why are some of these people's names to be believed while others are not? Why do we believe that these three people who were named over and over were actually guilty of this, but Larry King and the police chief and the judge those were made up and what did they do to figure out who was made up and who was legit that just does not make sense. They charged your web based off of Nellie Patterson, formerly Webb's testimony. Yet her testimony about traveling around with King for his little parties wasn't to be believed. So they picking and individuals out of the testimony who to charge and who not to charge. And it seems like the low hanging fruit are the ones that got charged. The ones that really wouldn't make much of a difference. If this, a writer at the newspaper or this whatever guy that works at the city, who's married to Larry King's cousin. He goes to jail for a little while, but not Larry King or anyone else. That was really large name. They actually blamed the grand jury actually blamed the Carol Stitt, who we talked about last episode of the foster care review board saying that she didn't do what she was supposed to do. When we heard that she really was pushing and pushing and pushing for somebody to do something. And everybody just ignored her. So they're just trying to put blame off on everybody else. Essentially. They said, Loretta suffered more abuse and neglect than anyone should endure, but that the perpetrators of her abuse may never be known. Even though she named a million names and gave physical descriptions of tons of people. Also something outrageous that they said, and there, the grand jury's report, it said children do have the right to expect that if they exhibit responsible behavior, they will not be abused. What the hell is that?
Speaker 3:Ooh, the heck what? And so, excuse me. So it's a child's fault that they attract adults. They didn't exhibit responsible behavior jerks up. Oh my God. Lined them up. I'm going to slap you all the tiny pieces. I swear to God.
Speaker 2:First of all, they casually went on to mention that the Omaha police department said that there were over 500 known pedophiles in the Omaha area, 500. And that the us department of justice estimates that the typical pedophile molests 77 children before they were caught. So 77 times 500 is what? 38,000 children. It's a lot. Yeah. I'm going to do it
Speaker 3:38,500. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's a ton of children in this area. And we already know that we have like at least a handful of children who are claiming to be abused by these same people that we're discounting with this grand jury. They said that there was one pedophile that caused them great concern. And that his name was Robert Anderson. They stated he was of concern. But then they next said that because nobody testified against him that they could not indict this person that they were so afraid of. But he figured in the tape testimony of Troy Bonner, Danny King, and they completely neglected to say that or mention that. So it's so bizarre to me, it's like they're taking some evidence using it to bolster their claims and then choosing to ignore evidence in the same situation. I mean, I don't even know how to say that is this real
Speaker 3:Life. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I cannot believe this. They charged it. The hoax was spread by two rumormongers that were childcare workers. And this is really just childcare workers, who the victims had begun to trust enough, to tell about this abuse to them. They attached to Senator Schmidt of the Franklin committee. They attacked Senator chambers. They attacked the journalist, Michael Casey, who these three people were coming out and saying, these high power individuals in Omaha are abusing children. And the grand jury came out and said that these people were the ones that were creating this hoax and perpetuating this whole,
Speaker 4:When you get revenge, you go, you slash someone's tires. You know you, yeah. You like eggs house. I don't know you don't. Wow. The amount of,
Speaker 2:Of landing that would have taken place in order for them to get all these kids, to get these stories down 100%, have them sit on them for three years or four years, you know, never be around each other. I mean, it's insane. It is absolutely insane. You know, we had somebody comment that lives in Nebraska, Hey dude, that they hadn't even heard of this. That is just how much it got buried because nobody wanted to talk about it. Okay. So first of all, in a typical grand jury procedure, they either indict somebody that they want to question or who, who, who they have some suspicions about, or they don't name them at all. And in this case, they cleared by name all of the abusers that were a prominently named abuser in all of these testimonies. So they publicly cleared them. That's not typical. And this is the part that I seriously this morning. I was like, are you kidding me right now? I'm about to punch a hole in the wall. They said about chief Robert Waldman, who we know has abused. Multiple children lied about so many things. And the relations with Larry King, they said about him. We now look upon Owen, Alicia, Owen, as the perpetrator. And Weidman as the victim. I'm like, are you kidding me right now? I mean, this whole grand jury should be burned alive. Sorry,
Speaker 4:You guys, who are these people like who's paying these people off seriously? Well,
Speaker 2:The thing is that the format of this grand jury stated to the Franklin committee, that the prosecutor on the case and his assistant helped them write their report, which is illegal. Okay. They're not supposed to have anything to do with the writing of this report and the determination of the grand jury. So yeah, they, they claimed that Owen's testimony of Larry King's right hand, man, Larry, the kid who she had spoken about multiple times in her reports was a completely fabricated person. And they did not explain how a completely fictitious person could appear in the reports from at least four different children over a period of three years, because it not only appeared in Alicia Owen's report, but it appeared in Loretta's report. It appeared in a one of the web children's report. And it also appeared in Paul Varanasi's report. So this person, they say that she completely made up has been reported from at least four different people. And then Alicia Owen, it is truly horrifying. The amount of straight up B S that they tried to claim and this grand jury report, they just were set on an insisting. It was a coverup. And I think that would be because this piece of crap, I mean now, like where's this guys, they said, Gary, Cara, Dory, you know, forced these videotaped confessions or not confessions, I'm sorry. He's videotaped testimonies for his own personal profit. Uh, he was dead. So couldn't defend himself on these allegations. At the time they even made his assistant who always is accompanied him on these videotape sessions to get a professional polygraph that was administered by a professional polygraph specialist to tell them that she hadn't seen Gary, curatory a forcing this testimony. You're making kids say things or giving them ideas, which she passed with flying colors, but they didn't care because just like we saw with Loretta or it wasn't Loretta, it was one of the web kids. They made her get a polygraph, but they didn't care what it said. They just wanted to make her get a polygraph or her, and then say she was lying even though she past. So like I said, the grand jury did not even read category's evidence before they made their claim that it was a carefully crafted hoax. And like I said, he listed so much, um, dozens of things leads and fall for followup and cross checking. And he wasn't able to follow up on all these leads because he died and a plane crash or a plane explosion, and sky. They said that they heard a testimony from 76 witnesses, but in categories, in his reports, he had over 291 potential witnesses that could help support these claims made by these kids. And they're, they're telling these people, we interviewed 75 people it's enough, but not the key figure in the claims that the kids were making or half the other people who would have been able to, to support these kids claims just the ones that can't really do much to help support it. Cause they clearly had an agenda which was to discredit the kids and anyone else making allegations. So the legislative Franklin committee wrote in response to the grand jury's report that we assume from their choice of words, carefully crafted hoax, that the grand jury was persuaded that the testimony of the witnesses corroborated each other and included facts and circumstances, which were readily verifiable and attested to by other witnesses. Otherwise it could not be logically deemed carefully crafted if it was carefully crafted who crafted it and when did they do so? Exactly. So basically the grand jury is saying it's good enough that it sounds legit. So that's why it's a carefully crafted hoax because it simply can't be true. Seriously. Nobody does. That would take a year in order to pull off. And they also stated that Alicia Owen and Paul Benassi were charged with perjury while Troy Bonner and Danny King are not as we see it, the victims who stand by their story are charged with perjury while those that have admitted to false statements before the committee are, that makes little sense to us, either all should be indicted or none of them should. The message is mixed and appears to favor encouraging the recanting as a way to avoid the hazards of criminal prosecution. It also tells a person that they can be under oath to legislative committee, as long as they change their story. Before it goes to court, the Omaha world Herald whose columnist Citron was convicted of child molestation. While the former publisher Anderson had been whitewashed in the grand jury report, they left to the jury defense in their paper saying that the grand jury did its job. The insults against them. Aren't intolerable. I mean, it is insane. I keep saying that, but it was insane. The amount of just biased nonsense is going that goes on here. They said it now appears that the rumors resulted from fantasies of liars hoaxers and opportunists who wanted to pay back their perceived political enemies. Yeah. Nevermind the countless numbers of children who are claiming to have been horrifically abused by these pieces of trash. Forget those, it's just a political enemy kind of thing. Really. Now they said that Senator Schmidt was frantically rewriting history. And they said that they hope that the wild tale about prostitution and cover up had been laid to rest by the grand jury. So the guy who led the prosecution for the grand jury was named Samuel van pelt and he was leaking information to the public. He was burying crucial evidence and he was also, he had been accused of threatening witnesses. So van pelt had been accused of covering up and clearing of Ron wrongdoing, the state police SWAT team and the murder of a political activist Arthur King in 1984. So when he was appointed as the head of this prosecution for the grand jury on the Franklin case, the public was pretty outraged by that to begin with because he was already known to be a corrupt individual. And the fact that there are a number of victim witnesses who are telling the Franklin committee after the grand jury hearing that this man who was the lead for the prosecution on this grand jury hearing was threatening them, telling them that if they continue to tell that story, that they were telling that they were going to be in big trouble. And he repeated this to a number of, of these children who were giving testimony to the grand jury, um, against all of these high power people and in private where no one else could hear them, but he threatened them numerous times that if they continued to tell her story, they were going to be in trouble. And who knows what they perceived that trouble to mean. But obviously Alicia, Owen refused to recant her story and she ended up going to jail and Danny King and Troy Bonner both recanted because they didn't want to get put in jail or killed or whatever else would happen to them. So in regard to the grand jury, Alicia Owens said that the three days at the grand jury were the hardest three days of her life. And this is a girl who endured mental, physical, sexual abuse at an extremely young age. I went in and out of mental hospitals. And wasn't pregnant, dated from being raped by a police officer at 15. And she's saying that these three days were absolutely the worst three days of her life because they humiliated her. And pretty much from the get go, they weren't asking her questions. They were simply accusing her of things. And so like she said, it really put her on the defense right away because they weren't asking her. So what happened to you during this time? They were more so saying, did you go willingly to someone's house for a party, et cetera. Her attorney stated that they never even asked her any questions at all, except one question, which was, do you want to say anything in which she responded? I'm sorry that you never got to the point in three days, you were always going around in circles and more accusatory than anything. And you weren't trying to get facts out and let chips fall where they may. She said they never gave her an opportunity to go into facts. So she was indicted. Like I said, for saying that the police chief Robert Wadman sexually abused her in 1983, in 1984, but they didn't ask her any questions about those years at all. He didn't ask her for about the abuse. They didn't ask her anything about that in any way yet she was indicted for lying about that to the grand jury. So I find that to be awfully bizarre. And like I told you, last episode, she got convicted and sentenced to like seven to 20 years in prison for perjury, which is unheard of. I mean, it is ridiculous. Just the mere fact that the grand jury came out publicly and stated that she was a perpetrator. And that Robert Rodman is a victim, makes me want to like just set fire to the whole world. Honestly, there was another witness that they just called Jane DOE, who testified to the Franklin committee and who had been a witness for the grand jury. And she said that she was left with the overwhelming impression that they only wanted her testimony to discredit Alicia Owens because they many times didn't really want to hear like Alicia Owen had said they didn't want to hear the facts. They wanted her to answer a questions that they like specific questions that they were asking her that were more so trying to accuse her of doing certain things or like Shai was saying earlier kind of insinuating that like, you're kind of a loose teenager. So didn't you go to this party and take, take drugs. And, uh, isn't that your fault that you're remembering these people incorrectly. And now you're trying to ruin someone's life because you, you know, you're too stupid to not get too high, to remember the names of people who abused you. Like they just did all sorts of ridiculous crap. And also they all received threats. I almost am positive and I didn't even look it up, but I'm almost positive that Troy Bonner's brother was like injured in some terrible accident around this time. And that was part of a huge reason why he recanted this. Jane DOE had moved multiple times and never published her number. And yet she was receiving threatening phone calls about information that only the grand jury or was privy to. So she was confident that in the grand jury was leaking this information to certain people. I wouldn't doubt it if it was this van pelt loser, this Jane DOE said that van pelt had told her how to testify and why she needed to do it that way and threatened her with situations in her past, in order to make her testify the way he wanted her to which that's not how I would hope a grand jury is going. And if the prosecutor has that much power in the grand jury, then I'm like, what good is a grand jury. Then at all, this isn't the first time I've seen a grand jury ruling be total utter crap. You know, like
Speaker 3:Say saying, it's like, what benefit are they getting? What incentive do they have? You know, how do you live with yourself or go to sleep at night?
Speaker 2:[inaudible] I don't know her name, this lady, um, she said that she was being threatened. And she also said that she found herself like she was on trial for reporting to the proper authorities, this, these allegations of abuse that she was hearing from these children. So again, the victims are being, are being prosecuted here. Senator Schmidt also recall that when he testified at the grand jury, how van pelt had only sectioned away 20 minutes for him. And they said that he didn't need him any further. Even though he is one of the people who spent the last year and a half pouring over hundreds and hundreds of hours of evidence and testimony yet, they didn't think he had any pertinent information to give them in the, in the grand jury hearing. I find that hard to believe, but like I said, it's against the law, but van pelt and his assistant both took part in writing the grand jury's final report per the grand jury foreman. So because these guys were so corrupt, an investigation was actually started into van pelt in the grand jury and the guy who was appointed to investigate this was Robert Siegler, who was a person that was named by multiple victims and the Franklin case as one of the men who took part in these parties. So obviously that's not going to come to any sort of, you know, they're not going to find any, any corruption in the grand jury. Whenever the guy investigating them is somebody that's going and raping children. So we talked about how[inaudible], how he had developed multiple personality disorder. And I I'm like almost wondering if it's now called disassociative identity disorder and whenever this book was,
Speaker 3:Yeah, what's the difference? Cause multiple personality disorder, a lot of people have misdiagnosis at schizophrenia, which is like a totally different thing. Paranoid schizophrenia.
Speaker 2:It's possible that now in 2018 MPD is actually did. I think I'm not positive, but the grand jury had said that he was not capable of telling the truth. And they said that the doctor, that his doctor stated as such, but they never called his doctor as a witness. So they never even spoke to his doctor. So I'm not sure where they got the information that his doctor told them that he was not capable of telling the truth. But the Franklin legislative committee did question his doctor who told them that he believed him to be telling the truth. He said that Paul Benassi suffers from MPD. Like I said earlier in this might now in 2018 from when this book was written, B did. And I apologize for not knowing, but I am not a psychiatrist. And like I said earlier, it's not a psychosis. It's a neurosis stemming from a defense mechanism and the mind of a child seeking to protect himself from unimaginable atrocity that virtually all MPD victims were severely abused and tortured. And another doctor was brought in to interview Calvin Nazi on numerous occasions. And he said it would be very difficult for Benassi to lie. So this is an absolute contrast to what the grand jury is stating.
Speaker 4:They were saying like he was faking all these personalities and yeah. And just making it all up as he went along. And then, you know, in some interviews when you watch him, Paul himself is like, I don't remember being up there. It was so and so, and I don't know, it's weird to watch because at one point he's in another personality and the lady says, Hey Paul. And he says, what? And they were like, ah, hi. Gotcha. You know, but there's no telling like when and how and where these personalities are going to come forth. And when call, I'm going to take a backseat. So I don't know,
Speaker 2:Like we're talking about this, isn't like a freaking professional actor here, you know, like, and this is, he was diagnosed by multiple doctors. And I just because the grand jury had an ulterior motive and was being led by a prosecutor that had absolute ties to the people that were involved in being accused in the Franklin sex scandal. They clearly colored their final report with completely biased, bullshit, sorry to say. And they also, he ignored key evidence in order to not have it be present in this investigation. Like the whole thing was so corrupt. John decamp was of the opinion at the time that if the documents from the grand jury, the, the interviews were made public that a followup investigation into the grand jury that was more thorough than the London by the guy that was accused of being a rapist essentially had done.
Speaker 4:So I was going to say like, Paul Benassi at the time was like, what? 22? 21. Yeah. I think when he went to the cops, the first time he looks like he's freaking 40. Like if he does, it's sad. Like he looks like he was rode hard and hung out wet to dry, you know, like if mean that's some serious trauma. Yeah. Like he does not look like a 21 year old boy at all. He looks like a 40 year old man. And I don't know if that attested anything, but, well, I mean, that's it
Speaker 2:Rough life to be leading? I just reading about this, like I said earlier, just really drove home to me. How just utter BS politics is the partisan bull crap is total nonsense. That we're all just like led to fall down these rabbit holes of partisanship when the actual politicians that are initiating this crap, they have no allegiance to a party or anything, any ideology, they are really only out for bettering them their own lives. Yeah. So, you know, I can't, they're all just such completely corrupt losers that it really makes me wonder what, what chance we have in this world. But really, I want somehow to find a way for these kids who are abused by these disgusting pieces of trash to have some sort of justice in this situation. And it's, you know, so long ago now, but I just don't see how it's even possible. Whole episode has bummed me out so much.
Speaker 4:I legit almost started crying earlier, but I thought I was going to, like, I wanted to. Cause I just, I hate to think that there's like, the stuff still goes on and there's nothing we can do. I mean, it's got to, yeah, it's got to go on. Well, like I told you, we just had that priest here and he lived to be like 79 years old before he was busted for this thick child sex abuse, drugs and money laundering. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Hard to, it's really hard to believe that this isn't something that is going on everywhere you live. It is going, you know, there's like some creepy old pur running a child sex ring. I mean, and you know, think about the Bohemian Grove stuff. Think about the, when we talked on that episode about the newspaper saying that there was the Washington ties to teenage boy prostitutes. And then there was the paper in the UK that has had said the same thing about the parliament and these all tied together. It's like, when there's smoke, there's fire. You can't, you can't tell me that this same flipping story over and over and over all of these people over and over and over. Like, I cannot tell you how many pages of evidence of research that I had here that I just didn't read because it's like, how many times do you have, do you need to hear the same story about the same people just from a different kid at some point, just believe me, that there's so much evidence that corroborates with each other, that I am absolutely horrified. I don't even know where I'm going now. I think I'm just talking in circles. So anyway. Yeah. And you know, I like, I guess for the final conclusion of this will, cause we know that Alicia Owen was convicted of perjury. We know Paul Benassi was acquitted for whatever reason. We know that there were 15 deaths that resulted in, that were tied to this Franklin investigation, uh, over a span of like three years. I honestly am like, you know, we look into this too much. We're going to end up being the 17th, 16th and 17th. Uh, if there aren't more sorry. Uh, but no, I really have been like, Oh God, but so I'm kinda interested to see where some of these people ended up, like what happened to Paul Benassi and what happened to Alicia Owen? Or did they just, just have to disappear into the center? Yeah, we didn't have a lot of laughs on this episode. That's what kind of, why I want to be down with it. Cause I'm like the bummer pressing. So we're going to end this depressing shit because we're going to end it ended here. It's depressing. I'm already the week has been an utter bummer actually at the beginning of the week, but I'm carrying it over from last week has been an utter bummer. And this only bums me out even further. But I do think it's really important to expose this crap because there are people that got away with the most horrific of abuse against children. And, and even if they're not children, the emotional and mental trauma that they cause people because they're so disgusting and sick in the head that they have to, you know, force children to rape each other and kill kids in front of them and threaten them constantly. I truly hope that there is a fate waiting for them much worse than the petty BS jail sentence that they get for some nonsense fraud charge or whatever that has nothing to do with the actual like depraved, you know, they deserve the worst, the absolute worst in life.
Speaker 4:Death also abuse is never okay. And it is never your fault. So don't ever feel like it was something you did to bring it upon yourself and don't be afraid to reach out. So hopefully you can always find somebody that can advocate for you. Yeah. Right. Let's go get sunshine.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Really, while I think it would be nice to go about life, pretending like all things are great and wonderful. There are, you know, terrible people in this world and there are, they do terrible things. And hopefully by knowing about it, we can stand together against these losers and send them off to their own little Island that will sink into the depths of the earth. And we'll never have to see them again.
Speaker 4:Yeah. That's all hope Felicia.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Get gone. Okay. So, um, something that I wanted to say that was completely unrelated to Franklin. So we're done, we're done with Franklin for now, anybody in the LA area that listens to the show who would be able to go to the LA Sheriff's department. I forget the date and a few in a week or two, which I'll post on the Facebook and try to get the new, I think a new sheriff was elected and get him to reinvestigate the, my Treece Richardson case. There's a group on Facebook that has been put together by a girl named Monique. And hopefully she can get a couple people to help her do. So I know that I personally filed a report with the FBI in order to reinvestigate the case. Anything we can do to keep the story alive because clearly what they want to say happened or didn't happen. Isn't true. So the truth about what happened to my trees is definitely needed for her family and for her period. So anyway, I'll post about it on my Facebook or we, or we'll post about it on the Facebook and it would be cool if some people could help. I don't have any ability to get there. Well, okay. Well we're out now. We're going to go have a snack and the nap. Yeah. So thanks for listening everybody. We will be back next week. I'm thinking maybe some, some good old party, true crime I need. Yeah. True crime is coming. So have a great week and see you next week. Go write us and share the pod. We're getting new listeners every week, but we will
Speaker 6:Always, we would love to have, okay. So keep it real out there guys. And we'll talk to you next week.[inaudible][inaudible].