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But we have to"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2485.68,"endTime":2488.8,"body":"be careful to not do this at the"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2488.8,"endTime":2492.82,"body":"expense of our own values and"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2488.8,"endTime":2492.82,"body":"who we are as people. If you'd"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2492.82,"endTime":2495.16,"body":"like to hear more from Gillian,"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2492.82,"endTime":2495.16,"body":"you can find links to her"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2495.16,"endTime":2498.97,"body":"podcast, Sober Powered, in the"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2495.16,"endTime":2498.97,"body":"show notes. 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