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That's"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2917.97,"endTime":2921.12,"body":"something you know, most people"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2921.27,"endTime":2924.57,"body":"wish they had, you just have it"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2921.27,"endTime":2924.57,"body":"just flows out of you. It's just"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2924.57,"endTime":2926.64,"body":"amazing. It's just natural. It's"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2924.57,"endTime":2926.64,"body":"incredible to watch."},{"speaker":"Jason Donkersgoed","startTime":2926.79,"endTime":2929.37,"body":"Thanks so"},{"speaker":"Jason Donkersgoed","startTime":2926.79,"endTime":2929.37,"body":"much, Simon, I had a blast. Any"},{"speaker":"Jason Donkersgoed","startTime":2929.4,"endTime":2932.19,"body":"hour I get to spend with you is"},{"speaker":"Jason Donkersgoed","startTime":2929.4,"endTime":2932.19,"body":"an hour well spent."},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2933.12,"endTime":2935.04,"body":"Thanks a lot."},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2933.12,"endTime":2935.04,"body":"I'm gonna blush a little bit"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2935.04,"endTime":2937.86,"body":"myself. But I always love"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2935.04,"endTime":2937.86,"body":"chatting with you. It's always a"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2937.86,"endTime":2942.51,"body":"win for sure. That's a wrap from"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2937.86,"endTime":2942.51,"body":"the front. In this episode, we"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2942.51,"endTime":2945.45,"body":"learned about creative tension"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2942.51,"endTime":2945.45,"body":"and the power of knowing when we"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2945.45,"endTime":2949.56,"body":"need to push and when we need to"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2945.45,"endTime":2949.56,"body":"pull to get the most creativity"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2949.77,"endTime":2953.34,"body":"out of each team member. We also"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2949.77,"endTime":2953.34,"body":"talked about the importance of"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2953.34,"endTime":2956.34,"body":"repeatable language, and how"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2953.34,"endTime":2956.34,"body":"using this language can help"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2956.34,"endTime":2959.94,"body":"emerging leaders and emerging"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2956.34,"endTime":2959.94,"body":"managers have a lasting positive"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2959.94,"endTime":2963.6,"body":"effect on the whole team. Thanks"},{"speaker":"Simon Kardynal","startTime":2959.94,"endTime":2963.6,"body":"for tuning in. And we'll see you"},{"speaker":"next time on Trench Leadership","startTime":2963.6,"endTime":2966.42,"body":"A Podcast From the Front."},{"speaker":"The Narrator","startTime":2967.59,"endTime":2970.74,"body":"Never miss an"},{"speaker":"The Narrator","startTime":2967.59,"endTime":2970.74,"body":"episode by following us on all"},{"speaker":"The Narrator","startTime":2970.74,"endTime":2974.34,"body":"of your favorite feeds. While"},{"speaker":"The Narrator","startTime":2970.74,"endTime":2974.34,"body":"you're there, please consider"},{"speaker":"The Narrator","startTime":2974.34,"endTime":2977.61,"body":"leaving an episode review and"},{"speaker":"The Narrator","startTime":2974.34,"endTime":2977.61,"body":"let us know what topics you"},{"speaker":"The Narrator","startTime":2977.61,"endTime":2980.97,"body":"would like to hear about. Be"},{"speaker":"The Narrator","startTime":2977.61,"endTime":2980.97,"body":"sure to join us next week with"},{"speaker":"The Narrator","startTime":2980.97,"endTime":2984.57,"body":"your host Simon Kardynal for"},{"speaker":"The Narrator","startTime":2980.97,"endTime":2984.57,"body":"another episode of Trench"},{"speaker":"Leadership","startTime":2984.57,"endTime":2989.49,"body":"A Podcast From the"},{"speaker":"Leadership","startTime":2984.57,"endTime":2989.49,"body":"Front, produced by iglen studios"},{"speaker":"Leadership","startTime":2989.58,"endTime":2992.07,"body":"music provided by Ashamaluev"},{"speaker":"Leadership","startTime":2989.58,"endTime":2992.07,"body":"Music."}]}