Rejected by His Industry. He Never Gave Up. | 50+ Books Later

What does it take to keep going when your industry shuts the door on you?

In this inspiring episode, I sit down with a highly successful published author who has written over 50 books and built a remarkable career through grit, creativity, and relentless resilience.

This is a conversation about reinvention, perseverance, entrepreneurship, and refusing to let rejection define your future.

He shares what it takes to keep believing in yourself when others don’t, how he navigated being overlooked in his industry, and why resilience is often the true difference between those who succeed and those who give up.

If you're an entrepreneur, creative, aspiring author, or anyone rebuilding after setbacks, this episode will deeply resonate.

Topics include:
✔ Resilience in business and publishing
✔ Reinventing yourself after rejection
✔ The mindset of successful creators
✔ Entrepreneurship and perseverance
✔ Building long-term success
✔ What separates dreamers from doers

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:06

Welcome to the conversation. For you from selling authors to real life warriors. These are the voices that remind us. Our story isn't over. We are falling. Healing is not a destination. It's a decision that we make every single day. So let's move forward together. Three, two, one. Let's get started. Started. Welcome to Healing Forward with Barbara LePointe, where real conversations equal real transformations. So today I'm curious about what happens when you say, I'd like to write a book. I really want to write a book, but how do you go from there to becoming a published author of more than 50 books? That's what our next author has done, and he is a veritable creative force. Welcome, Erin, to Healing Forward.

SPEAKER_01 1:06

Thanks for having me. It sounds like a great podcast. I'm glad to be here.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Yeah, we're super excited to talk to you. And I want to get down to the author tips and the author business, but I want to save that to the end. So if you're listening, Erin's going to have a lot of tips for anyone wanting to become published. So please subscribe, like, and comment. But I also want to just uh begin with your human story because you spent a decade, Erin, building credibility in the voiceover world, which is really fascinating to me because I do voiceovers here in Mexico on media and I love it. But at a certain point you realized that you no longer belonged there. And you discovered that sometimes people weren't thinking the very best thoughts that they actually could. And um, what happened with that story? Because it it's interesting because I think it led to a shift for you in some. What happened there?

SPEAKER_01 2:07

Oh, yeah, it led to a massive shift. And I wouldn't I wouldn't trade it for the whole world and so grateful, no regrets. Uh, and hindsight's always 2020, so it makes sense now. Um, I I'm uh my love language is giving. I love to give, I love to encourage and affirm. And it I just found out over time that uh that giving was very suspect. It was unfairly suspect uh by some people that assumed I had commercial motives and you know, procuring coaching clients and buying my books, my voiceover books. And it was like, you know, um, it's really an unfair assumption. I just wanted to give, I wanted to encourage. But by the same token, I found that there's kind of it, it seemed like there was more or less an Illuminati, is like I like to call it an Illuminati at the top of the voiceover sphere. They always called a shop, they always endorsed the same people. Uh, they would always bring up the same faces and names to speak, to encourage, to teach. Uh, and they were the ones that got the public pats on the back. And um, I did get an opportunity to speak. I got two opportunities to speak, actually, but for the most part, it was it felt a little bit like a shunning um from the top down. And I um I just I I realized, wow, these people are I'm tired of kissing butts, you know, to get uh places and climb ladders. No one should have to do that. Um and I just felt like uh I felt like a fifth wheel, you know, on the outside looking in. I felt like an anomaly. And I think I've always been a little bit of an anomaly, so that's okay. But I spoke, I got mad. I spoke truth to power finally, after just I've had enough of this uh this suspicion and these people kind of questioning me. I don't see you questioning them. Uh, you know, they're carte blanche uh everywhere you go. And so I spoke truth to power. I was perhaps a little less diplomatic than I should have been, uh, but I wanted to be honest with how I felt, and I was really frustrated and irritated. So that was kind of shooting myself in the foot and uh and sabotaging the the reputation that I developed, but also the any kind of future chances of being uh led into this click, this circle. I was okay with that as well, because I I'm not going to be, I'm not gonna take it lying down. So I saw my way out, exited stage left, and uh and said my piece, amen, as I did. And it resulted in a boon of creativity in my life. It resulted in me getting the voice of United Healthcare, and the voice of United Healthcare, which is union money, a lot of money, and a lot of insurance uh savings as well, because we qualify for insurance. Um, but man, it resulted in me pivoting back to authoring, pivoting back to music, and I just I have no regrets. I'm so grateful. Really long answer to your very short question.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

But I think this is such a cool, relevant theme. And thank you for that, Erin, because this theme goes out through your is replayed through your whole story, and it's where it's where you make the most out of difficult moments. Like you seem to be able to take failure and shift into liberation. And I love that you were fueled with creative insights after that, and self-doubt into something more, and uh harsh feedback into opportunity. And this is something that I believe throughout your whole the success of your career, and that that is so so important to be able to move forward in life to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

Absolutely. Well, it kind of like when you get lemons, you make lemonade, it's it's cliche, it's uh it's maybe trite bubblegummy uh euphemisms, but it's so true. And I could I I did actually, I'll be very honest, when I pulled out of the voiceover community because I found it very toxic, um, the people who I knew would reach out to me, they still reached out. And I was grateful for that. Uh, and there are good seeds still in the bad apple. Um, there were good seeds, and I I still stay in touch with a few of them, you know, to this day. But um I've always someone said of me once, Aaron, you could drop him in a desert and he'd still find a way to make money. Um I love that. It's very flattering because I have to create, I want to create, I have a deep desire and a drive to create. And so, me leaving the voiceover community and trying to climb that ladder and run that rat race, it just opened up a Pandora's box of creation for me that I am I'm so grateful for. And 51 books later, you know, here I am.

SPEAKER_00 6:44

Yeah, that is very inspiring. It's extraordinary, in fact. And I think many people can relate to your story because some of us are working in professions that don't feel authentic, and in fact, it feels like you were working in an environment that didn't re reward compliance, but not authenticity. And is that true?

SPEAKER_01 7:06

Yeah, that's an excellent way to put it. I mean, that's it's a very harsh reality just hearing those words. Uh, but that's yeah, that's absolutely, I couldn't have said that better.

SPEAKER_00 7:19

And so, how how do you recognize when you're in a professional community that's slowly becoming toxic? Um, because sometimes we just we're there and we're dependent on our building our career on a paycheck. And how do we really become conscious when we're we're like, this environment's not serving me anymore, or maybe this prestigious professional environment I'm in is actually toxic.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

Um, I think it takes a discerning eye, first of all, to really understand if that is the case. And you have to uh decide um just uh to yourself if it's worth it for you in the long run. Um I'm a very impatient person by trade. Uh my wife would second this. My biggest fan of my dissonance alien invasion saga has literally told me here's the thing, you have no patience. And and it's true. I mean, it's scalding, it hurts. Take your knife back, please. But it's true. Um, and I I didn't have the patience to continue to endure this um this trying to uh please and trying to uh continue to knock on the bronze, you know, brass door of this upper echelon. I didn't have the patience to continue to do that. If I wanted to stick it out, maybe things would have changed. Um, so I think the person really has to decide: is this worth sticking out for? Um, is this worth more for your own sanity breaking away and doing your own thing, which is and being authentic that way? Oscar Wilde said, be yourself. Everyone else is already taken. And I love the phrase, I forget who said it, but you're the youest you that you can be. Um, we all have a unique voice that we can bring to whatever field we're in, and I suggest that we bring it. If we're not being allowed to bring it there, then by all means do go there.

SPEAKER_00 9:11

I like that so much. That uh that makes so much sense to me. And I love that you you got a creative fuel when you had to shift. Um, what happens when you shift identities? And because it sounds like you've had to rebuild your identity a few times.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

Yeah, it's well, my wife doesn't know what to call me anymore. Um, so I just say, you know, call me for dinner. Um it's still Aaron, so I use Aaron Alex uh for voiceovers and I use Aaron Ryan for authoring, but uh I was going by a stage name uh as a voiceover artist. I was going by Joshua Alexander, and Alexander is a is a you know um an extension of one of my names. Joshua is at the time was my best friend's name, so I figured I'm gonna take a stage name, and that's fairly common from what I understand. Um, but you know, gosh, it was so liberating to step away and unzip Joshua Alexander and step out of that forever, uh, and then step into me as Aaron, Aaron, no other you know, alias but Aaron, and just be myself because I would go to these conventions, whether I'm speaking or not, go to these conventions and people would go, Hey Dodge, how are you? And I'd go, Dum-dee-dum. Oh, yeah, that's me. Yeah, hi, hi, how are you? I forget they're talking to me because that's not my name. Um, so it was really incredibly liberating to step back into my authentic real name.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

I love that, and I love that you give yourself permission to do so much, and it sounds like you've also given yourself permission to succeed in life because you've written nearly 50 books. Did you always know, Erin, that you had it inside of you to do that?

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Yes, I did. I mean, I started, I have three origin stories as an author, which is crazy. Um, so it's no surprise to me at all that I'm I've been a storyteller my whole life. Every major vocation I've had has had to do with storytelling in some respect. Um, wedding videographer telling their story, uh a uh legacy videographer telling the story of uh those who are uh aging, you know, for posterity for their uh descendants, uh corporate videographer telling their story, a voiceover artist telling companies' stories across web, TV, radio. And so natively, the most uh root, authentic, based form of storytelling is or being an author is being a storyteller. So it was natural for me to go back to what I did. But in seventh uh second grade, I was given an assignment to write a story by Mrs. Walker. Hi, Mrs. Walker, and um, and I did that, and I was like, Oh, I love this. I was in a young author's club at age 10, completely forgot about it. My mom sent me the article, and I was like, oh, mind blown. I remember this. And uh and I remember reading The Lord of the Rings as a real young kid, and my mind was absolutely blown. The world building, the character building, the stakes, the narrative, everything about it blew my mind, and I said, I want to do this too.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

That's incredible. I have good memories of the Lord of the Rings, and it's amazing that you knew that you had it in you. Yes, my mother read that book, my mother read me that book, that you had it in you from the beginning, Erin, that you actually knew in advance. I didn't expect you to answer yes to that, actually. I thought maybe you surprised yourself. But for some of this who says, Oh, I've got a book inside of me, and I hear that a lot, having worked in the hybrid publishing industry over the last year, but I don't know, I don't know if I could do it. I don't know where to start. What would you say to an inspiring author out there?

SPEAKER_01 12:50

Well, I would say see a surgeon right away. You'll want to have that removed. I mean, it shouldn't be stuck inside you like that. Um, that can cause great problems health-wise. Let it out. Yeah, let it out. Uh, mine, you know, with dissonance in particular, I wanted to write a single story and it ballooned into a hexalogy. That's six books. It just burst out of me like an alien queen, and I could not suppress it. Uh, if that's you, if you're feeling like, man, I've got to get this out, follow that. Follow that desire and that yearning to its uh to its end. Um the biggest thing that you have to do if you if you have a story is just try, just try to write down something and see what comes out. Don't show it to anybody yet. If you like it, that's really all that matters when you first sit down pen to paper or you know, fingers to keyboard. Um, see what you can sculpt, see what you can come up with. Imagination is the basis of all creation, and this is your testing ground to see if you liked what you created. If you didn't, work on it some more. If you still didn't, work on it some more until you finally do, and then you know, then run it past people and see what they say. So, but you you do have to follow that yearning.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

Excellent, excellent. And you've you've done a lot a lot of self-publishing versus the traditional publishing world. What's one thing that people misunderstand about making that choice?

SPEAKER_01 14:13

And um, well, so I think what what one what a lot of people understand about or misunderstand about traditional publishing is that you won't have to do any marketing. That's an assumption that's made all the time. Um, if you are indie published, you're definitely gonna want to market your book. If you're traditionally published, you're definitely gonna want to market your book. My question is, why wouldn't you? I mean, this is something that you've slaved over, that you love, you love the characters, you're in love with the story. And like a baby uh that you've created, don't you want to show it off to people? Like, this is my son, this is my daughter. I mean, you'd want to show that off to people. So that's just all marketing is is just being enthusiastic about what you've created. Not high pressure, but uh being an enthusiast uh is really where the rubber meets the road. Um another thing that people get uh get misunderstood about just uh indie publishing is that you are going to make it quickly. Um there are you know indie publishers that you know they're like 30-year overnight successes. Um take them a long time to get there, but Andy Weir wrote The Martian, that was turned into a movie. He wrote uh The Hail Mary Project, that's now a movie, and it can happen, but the odds are stacked against you. You you have to you have to develop structural fortitude and integrity to continue. You have to develop drive and the ability to brush off the negative reviews and the lack of sales and just keep moving forward. Uh, it'll take a while, but um, it's such a worthy journey. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

You have an excellent mindset, and it's really served you well. For people that are struggling to have that kind of that kind of go forward, positive, empowering mindset. Any tips for them?

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Drink coffee for sure. Always drink coffee. Um, that's like my morning, absolutely. I don't have as cool of a mug, my my my corny little silver tumbler, but um I actually, if I can reach up here and show you this, I just got this as a birthday gift from my wife. So I'm holding up a tumbler that says, Go away, I'm writing.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

And I love this. It's so cute. Your wife sounds amazing. You also say when you write stuff down, things happen, and that that seems like it's really true for you.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

Yeah, um, it it's you you just have to muscle forward. I love this quote from uh Rocky. Uh Sylvester Stallone in Rocky, and I think it's number six, it's where he comes back and he fights the younger guy. Uh, he's talking to his son, and his son is basically just railing against dad about how uh dad is um you know the famous guy and he's in his shadow, and you know, uh he's got to keep fighting and fighting. And Rocky decides he's not gonna take it. And so he doesn't lay into his son, but he says, uh, life isn't about how hard you can hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. About how many hits you can take and keep moving forward. People won't buy your book, you keep moving forward. People leave you a negative review, you keep moving forward. People don't adapt your book into screen, you keep moving forward. People don't ask you to speak and and teach and share, you keep moving forward. If it's a worthy enough pursuit, you keep moving forward, regardless of the setbacks along the way. That's where the structural integrity comes from. And Rocky finishes that speech with saying, that's how winning is done. Isn't that true?

SPEAKER_00 17:47

It's so true. You know, I had an actual emotional uh epiphany before I came on with you today, and that was just like, I can trust, I can trust because just aligning with you to do this podcast, almost everything you're talking about uh relates so much to what I've just been through. I've been through two years of just getting, you know, knocked down, and I keep getting knocked up. And it's been very, very challenging, but that's actually how I came up with the name healing forward, because I had a good friend who said, you've just got to keep moving on, just keep going. And I was like, how can I keep going? How can I keep moving forward? And he said, just keep moving forward, exactly what you just said. And I gotta say, sometimes it's not easy, especially if you're you know sensitive. And uh, but you this is so golden what you just shared, and it's worked for you.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

It it has, and I'd love to share a quote that I was given by uh a former casting agent, voiceover casting agent, and entrepreneur. Her name is Liz Atherton, and she runs castvoices.com, and she's a very, very uh sweet lady. She gave me this quote when I was still I was still in the mode of kind of butt kissing uh in voiceovers, and um, so so it was it was more applicable, you know, at that time, but I've since appropriated it, and it's totally applicable to an authoring career as well. She said this, and I suggest that you everyone listening, write this down, make this a mantra and make this your mission statement. She said, Someone's endorsement of you or lack thereof has very little to do with your trajectory. And I get chills thinking about that, even right now. I was on the phone with her and I went, wait, wait, say that again. And you know, my voice went, you know, like three octaves up. And she said it again, and it was so it's so true. So, someone's endorsement of you, like you can you could be you could be asked to speak, you can have your book selling on hotcakes. That has very little to do with your trajectory. You keep moving forward, or they're not asking you to speak or not buying your books, or they're they're leaving you negative reviews, or whatever. Um uh you're keep you keep moving forward. It has nothing to do with your trajectory. If you're a writer, you're gonna continue writing, regardless of these things that happen or don't happen. It was very formative for me, and it's kind of an anthem for me.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Yeah, that's really powerful. It's a really good one. And I think these are our golden nuggets. I also saw a quote in your bio that I really also I also very much liked. And it said, I believe that every everything that happens in life is a re is a resource.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

Yes. I forget who said it. I want to say that it was um uh it's wrong. It's it's not right. Uh the the person who composed Lynn Manuel Miranda. I wanted to say it was him, it wasn't him though. Uh, but I think he said that that everything happens to you is a resource. So everything that happens in your life is a resource, and you can build on that trauma by writing about it, by sculpting about it, by making music about it, by writing poetry about it. And and those things are all part of these building blocks. You know, my wife said everything in the past, and she's had a rough past, and so have I. I just wrote a book about this called Unworthy with the uncrossed out. It's a memoir of our love uh and how we came to be worthy of love. And she said, everything in the past has led to now, and I'm in love with now. And I just my I'm the writer, but my wife is the wordsmith, and I'm like, what am I doing writing? It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

I love that so much. So beautiful. You know, um, I can tell that you're the kind of guy who can get on the hot seat and do well. So I prepared some rapid fire questions for you, Erin. Are you uh ready? All right. Yes, AI is disrupting creative industries. Are you hopeful or fearful about AI?

SPEAKER_01 21:56

I'm fearful. Um, I am uh maybe 10%. Hopeful, 80%. Well, that didn't add up. No one said there'd be math. 10% hopeful, 90% fearful. I really am because of the speed at which this unregulated wild west of technology is pushing forward and being pushed on people. And so that's actually become the basis of my next series called Carbon. And I'm looking forward to writing that.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

Oh, okay. Do you think that AI will have the potential to replace creators, or it's just going to force creators to evolve?

SPEAKER_01 22:32

No, it's well, it's doing both right now, but it's definitely forcing people out of the creative industry. One of the reasons that I pivoted back to authoring was because not only the toxic VO community, but uh but when AI made its foray into the open market in 2023 with OpenAI and ChatGPT, instantly started seeing longtime cherished relationships with producers go fall by the wayside. Our income has dropped drastically. Um, I've lost cherished relationships with producers. I've lost the quality and quantity of jobs has gone down. Um on the author side, it's pitted author against author. You wrote this with AI. No, I didn't. Yes, you did. And it is such an incendiary topic that is replacing creatives as we speak. It's really sad.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

Oh my gosh, that's fascinating to me. I'm not able to like have foresight on anything you're gonna say. Like it's that's so interesting to me because I don't have the insight into it. But I will say that I had a short period of time where I worked with a hybrid publishing company over the last year and a half. They did compilations or anthologies. And I mean what happened was all the authors started submitting stories uh written by AI. And when and so I was like, Oh, how do you combat that? How do you confront that? But yeah, about 80% of the authors did that, that were applying for these anthologies. And I thought, wow, this is very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 24:03

Yeah. Yeah, it's sad and it's tragic, is the word I would use, because you're you're forfeiting a God-given right and ability to create and to bring forth something ex nihilo, something out of nothing that didn't exist, and now it's your creation. You're outsourcing that to a chip. Um, and I think it's really sad. There are people in the authoring industry who will go to Grok, Claude, whatever they are, you know, ChatGPT, have it write them a whole story. They will then go to Mid-Journey and have it create them a cover, um, whatever. Grok can even do that. Slap it all together, throw it online, put their name on it, and call themselves an author. They're not an author, they're a capitalist. And they're watering down the offerings of authors and stories, they're diluting the offerings in the marketplace with these this slop, and it's really frustrating uh on the author side as well.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

I'm so glad I asked these questions of you, but we're gonna pick up the tempo, and I'm curious what is the favorite book you've ever written?

SPEAKER_01 25:09

Hands down, without a doubt, every day of the week and twice on Sunday, Lord of the Rings.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

Okay, and the favorite book that you've written of your own collection of 50 books.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

Uh, I have three. I don't know which one. It's Forecast, a 9-11 historical fiction thriller, The Phoenix Experiment, a young adult dystopian novel, and The End, the tril the trilogy finale Omega in the end series. I never know what to pick because I love all three of those so much.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

They're your babies.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Um, biggest scam authors should avoid.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Every single one of them that comes via email, I get 30 to 40 emails every single day. Um, the latest one is the book club um gambit. So they're trying to say we have we were we running a book club, all our readers would love your book. It's only this much to join the book club. You know, you pay here, and then we'll announce it to 50,000 eager readers. It's a lie, it's a sham. So, and there's a million more like that.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

Ah, interesting. I've seen that as well. Mindset difference between hobbyist and entrepreneur.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

A hobbyist sees short term, an entrepreneur sees long term, a hobbyist sees it as, sees everything as an expense, and an entrepreneur sees everything as an investment.

SPEAKER_00 26:27

Wow, what a mindset shift that was. That rattled my brain. Like two choices on how you can approach something.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

And you've been excellent. Now, well, uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

Well, one thing that's that I I love to distinguish this anytime I'm asked to speak anywhere is I look at myself as a businessman who just happens to write books. I look at myself as a businessman who just happens to do voiceovers. And I think when you start putting your your business first, your business identity first, and your craft second, you're always going to love your craft and you're always gonna perfect it and do better. But if you have a vehicle to put that craft on and take it somewhere, this is your business. Your business can take your craft somewhere. So this is where hobbyists fail, is like they just they they don't have business acumen. They don't know how to market, or they don't know branding, or they don't, they're not willing to invest, they don't think long term. And so if you have a business mindset and business acumen, then your craft can go a much further than it can as a hobby.

SPEAKER_00 27:31

That's golden, that is so golden. Also, thinking long term, I think is incredibly uh key as well.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

Yeah, huge.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

Yes, yes. Now tell me, are one of your books uh possibly be being uh considered for a screenplay? Or something like that?

SPEAKER_01 27:49

Oh, I've had yeah, I've had five books adapted for the screen. Um, one of them is actively being pitched to streaming networks as we speak. Um, the other four are the are going in the film festival route. So they are winning entrance into film festivals and garnering awards, which is just awesome. Um, but I dissonance um has been adapted and it's being pitched to the streaming networks. I've got a meeting with my screenwriter after this one. Um, and I'm so I'm immeasurably grateful. Um, was it an expense? No, it was an investment. And 10 years from now, if I didn't do this, I'd be so remiss. Um, it it is every indie author's dream to see their book on screen and reach you know so many more people. And I love, love, love, love, love, capital L love talking with uh with my screenwriter and seeing you know him out there marketing it to people. So very excited.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

Congratulations!

SPEAKER_01 28:47

Thank you. So excited, Erin.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

I just want to honor you and acknowledge you for the energy of gratitude, success, positive mindset that that you've brought forward for everyone tuning in today. How can people reach out to you or buy your books or connect with you? I know people want to do that.

SPEAKER_01 29:09

That's my favorite question. I mean, like, you know, selfishly speaking, but um, you can go to two different websites. So one of them is authorarinryon.com that has links to all the sub sites for like the dissonance series page, the end series page, the talisman series page. Has all the socials on the bottom. Uh, and there's news, and you can join the blog there um at authorarinrion.com. Find out about the library and news and videos, blah, blah, blah. Uh, the other one is go to authorarenriongroup.com, which will forward you to a Facebook group that is private and exclusive. You'll find out about upcoming releases, discount codes, giveaways, news on the screenplays. And if you're an author, I do regularly post videos in there that are author tips uh and encouragement and affirmation for authors and creators.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

Invaluable. I'm wishing you so much more continued success on high vibe energy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

I receive it. Thank you. Me too.

SPEAKER_00 30:09

Thanks for being here in Healing Forward with author Aaron Ryan. Wishing everyone a beautiful day. Thanks a lot.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

That was yeah, that was wonderful. Thank you. They're always a blast. I really I appreciate every single opportunity. So thank you.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

Good. I'll send you the links when it's published. And it's nice to keep around 30 minutes with people's attention span, it's kind of short.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

So yeah, totally. No worries.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

All right.

SPEAKER_01 30:40

Thanks again.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

My thank you.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

Yes, and so we did this through Podmatch. So I'm gonna leave a five-star review right away, and then it'll have me do the same thing on uh Apple Podcasts. Um, and then I'll just send a little follow-up message in there as well.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

So very much, I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

Yeah, my pleasure. It was great. Some of them I've been on the podcast where they this is clearly their first podcast, and it's like, okay, I'll never forget one of my very earliest ones. I was talking to a gentleman and I wrote an alien invasion saga, and all he wanted to talk about was super heroines. I'm not even sure how you say that superheroines, superheroines. I was like, I do you have the right person? I mean, am I uh did you swap guests? I just was so confused by the whole thing. So you do wonderful, and I love your enthusiasm.

SPEAKER_00 31:31

Oh, made my day. I'm glad to be out of the podcast world.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Yeah, yeah, welcome back.

SPEAKER_00 31:39

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

Awesome. I'll leave the follow-up in in uh pod match right now.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Excellent. All right, bye-bye, Aaron.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

Thanks, Barbara. Take care.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

Leave us a review and stay connected for more conversations that move us forward. Until next time, I'm Barbara Lepointe, and remember, keep healing forward.