You Cheated on Me… With Another Podcast

This week, Chris is in serious trouble—after casually admitting he’s been on another podcast. Paul takes it well… absolutely not.

What follows is the usual chaos: birthday catch-ups, cruise ship stories, and two grown men trying (and failing) to stay awake through WrestleMania. There’s also a surprising amount of energy spent debating garden centres, loyalty cards, and why some social situations feel like a full-time job.

As always, What Gets On Your Tuts makes a return—featuring long voice notes, public oversharing, and the little things that really shouldn’t annoy us… but absolutely do.

Transcript

Chris 0:28

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Paul 0:41

Yeah, because you never told me you were doing it. And I was mid tea.

Chris 0:46

I went like that.

Paul 0:46

I went oh no.

Chris 0:47

We went to a slur. Do you know what I'm gonna do? It burnt my lips. I'll mute ya. That'll do. I'll mute you and then I'll do it.

Paul 0:54

Do you know what? I'll mute myself because I can do it. Hang on. Where is it? Where is it? Ready? I've muted now.

Chris 1:01

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Paul 1:35

Welcome to the Post Favilion Podcast. Two mates, a couple of microphones, and absolutely no plan. We chat everyday life, how we became friends, and things that amuse us far more than anything probably should. And tell you what, there's a lot of pointless guff on the way. Listen back to previous episodes to find out what the true meaning of guff is. Welcome to the Post Pavilion Podcast.

Chris 2:00

Welcome back to the Post Pavilion Podcast with me, Chris Morley.

Paul 2:04

And me, Paul Gilbert. Hey, hello. Sound a bit weird. I sound weird. What's happened?

Chris 2:10

Have you got a throat on?

Paul 2:11

I haven't got a throat on, I don't think. But we are back to normal service.

Chris 2:15

Back to normal service, yeah. It's been a busy few weeks, hasn't it?

Paul 2:19

It has. And yeah. And you know what's really weird is that let's start the podcast. Well, somebody celebrated a birthday. Certainly did. Yesterday at the time of recording.

Chris 2:31

Yeah, I celebrated my 38th birthday.

Paul 2:35

38, is that all you are?

Chris 2:37

Yeah. Well, you're only well, I'm behind you, aren't I? Because you're 43.

Paul 2:41

I'm not. I'm 39. I'm in my 40th year. But you have so happy birthday. Thank you. Christopher Morley.

Chris 2:48

And what a lovely surprise. You I I saw you on Saturday, because I was working Saturday. Yeah. And then and then you rocked up to my house on Sunday.

Paul 2:59

Yeah. So that was lovely. That was lovely. Does anyone know the story behind that? So I I I I text your uh current Mrs. Morley. Yes. And uh said, What are you doing for your birthday? She said, Uh I've got no plans at the minute, but I'll let you know. And then she went, Do you fancy a day? I was like, Yeah, I'm alright. And then I knew I was seeing him on the Saturday, but I told her I'd mug you off. But you didn't. I didn't mug you off. So I saw you on Saturday. Do you know what's really funny? Is when you we got in we went to go for a coffee on the Saturday. Yeah. And you got in my car and your card was on the seat.

Chris 3:34

Oh, was that my card? Was it?

Paul 3:36

Yeah, that was your card, yeah. And then I did that silly little oh I need to post that. I had a feeling that was my card, but I didn't say anything. It was your card, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was your card. Very nice card, actually. But did you so I saw you on the Saturday? Yeah. So technically we've had two opportunities to record the podcast together.

Chris 3:55

We could have done it, couldn't we?

Paul 3:56

But we've gone back to normal service. It's currently at the time of recording, it's 11 17 in the morning.

Chris 4:03

Yeah, and you've only just got up, let's be honest.

Paul 4:05

And I've only just got out of bed.

Chris 4:08

I've got up at 6 a.m. this morning. I've done half a day's work by the time you've rolled out. Right, no offence. Past two nights, it's been WrestleMania nights. Oh, for those that don't know anything about WrestleMania, it is what does what it says on the tin, it's wrestling in America that's on in the early hours of the morning.

Paul 4:27

Yeah, so and do you know how I did with WrestleMania, Chris? Go on. So bad. I I kept falling asleep.

Chris 4:33

Well, I watched the first two matches. Oh, breaking news, what's happened? Of time and record.

Paul 4:40

Sorry, my phone's not on silent. My fault. Oh god, it's on silent now. Um, yeah, so WrestleMania. So I did really bad. I I don't think I was awake, but I wasn't awake, and then I kept falling asleep, and then I kept waking up.

Chris 4:54

See, I had a couple of glasses of wine yesterday because it was my birthday, so I thought it would treat myself, and I fell asleep before it started. And so I woke up about half past 12, watched the first two matches, and then I went, I've got to go to sleep, and I haven't watched the rest. So don't tell me any spoilers.

Paul 5:09

Well, I can't really tell you any spoilers, because do you know how it worked for me? For the past two nights I've watched everybody get into the ring, but I couldn't tell you who won. Oh, that's bad, isn't it? Yeah, I've been watching the matches and then I fall asleep. I was in like I was texting like multiple people during both nights, and then I've just had to text them all this morning going, I'm really sorry, I fell asleep.

Chris 5:32

And please don't tell me any spoilers.

Paul 5:34

Don't tell me any spoilers. But yeah, so so I'm now gonna attempt the next eight hours after this. I'm gonna watch it again. Well, really, it defeats the whole object of me staying up to watch it.

Chris 5:43

It'll take you about a year to get through that.

Paul 5:45

Um, true, true. So, how how's your week been? How's your week been? We haven't my week's been wonderful. I've seen you twice, but let's get to the fact of the matter. Podcast wise, in our podcast lives, we haven't done this for a month.

Chris 6:01

It's a bit about that, isn't it? Because we did we did two the last two episodes we did uh back to back, didn't we? So we did, yeah. I've time recorded, isn't it? We're now in the middle of April. Yes. And I went on a cruise ship for two weeks, which was very nice, I have to say. You went went to Norway. I went to Norway. Went to Norway uh I've been there before, done done a load of dates there last year, but this year, well have you ever been to Norway in April?

Paul 6:30

Er yes. I did remember I did year one of the Animal Guys cruises.

Chris 6:36

If I'm honest with you, I don't know why people go to Norway in April, because it's freezing.

Paul 6:40

Yeah, but is that not part of it?

Chris 6:42

No, toasty. Do you know what it is? Do you know what it is? It's it everybody's stuck inside. That's the problem. So everywhere's busy, and it's and then you get off, and it's freezing.

Paul 6:56

And it was raining, and that's part of it, that's part of it. When you go to Norway and you're in your what they call the fjords. The fjords. You're going through the fjords, there's snow on the mountains, the water is crystal clear, you get your hoodie and your jacket on, and you just it's like fresh air, clean air.

Chris 7:15

Not for me. I'd preferred it in July. It was nice and sunny, green grass everywhere, a little bit of snow on the mountains, just a little bit, just a little scatter. You know, it's warm.

Paul 7:25

You're a bit selfish. You're a bit selfish, you are.

Chris 7:28

Well, no, it's not I didn't like not enjoy it. It's just that going to Norway in April, I'd push it back to the summer. Oh, would you? Yeah, yeah. I'd go, do you know what? Send me there in July. I'll go there. Are you going you are going there in the summer though, aren't you? No. I'll go. I'm going to Spain. I'm going. Do you know what? I'll moan about that, wouldn't I? Because it'd be too hot. I'll go, send me to Spain in April.

Paul 7:51

Yeah, because you're going back on the ships in the summer. Yeah. So then you're not going to Norway, you're doing Spain and all around there.

Chris 7:58

Oh, are you? I'll tell you what. And where are you going in the summer?

Paul 8:04

I'll repeat what I said on the last podcast. M5, M42, A27, A303. Gloucester services. Lovely stop there.

Chris 8:13

Lovely roads at this time of year. Gloucester services, I can highly recommend. I know we've mentioned about this on the podcast quite a few times.

Paul 8:19

Yeah, well, one at Becca from the Animal Guy, she's obsessed with Gloucester services. So we're travelling at a time where it's acceptable to stop at Gloucester Services. We stop at Gloucester Services.

Chris 8:30

Well, you can sit on the little green bank, have yourself a homemade sausage roll and a cup of tea. Ah, beautiful.

Paul 8:37

I'm not getting into it. Why would you pay a million pounds for a sausage roll? It's not even Richmond sausages. Yeah, but you'll does my head in. It's oh yeah. It's a Cumberland and onion sage sausage.

SPEAKER_01 8:48

But you're paying for the quality. You're not going to be able to do that. I don't care. Richmond's rubbish. That's what they stand for.

Paul 8:53

Richmond ain't rubbish. That's what it stands for.

SPEAKER_01 8:55

No, it's not.

Paul 8:57

Get me some sausage. I'm having a debate with you about sausages. Get me some sausage. This is ridiculous. No, I hate right. Just a good old pork sausage roll. Yeah. I yeah, locally sourced.

Chris 9:10

What's wrong with that? It hasn't travelled anywhere.

Paul 9:13

If it's locally sourced pork, then I'll have a sausage roll. But it's when you get there and it's a sage and onion stirred three times, sprinkled by Gordon Ramsay. Like, what are you going on about? Yeah, but it's lovely, isn't it? Just give me a sausage roll. This uh don't get me started. Actually, don't get me started. Yesterday, when I was actually at your house for your little birthday party, your little gathering. Yeah. Just so you know, it was it was oozing middle class.

Chris 9:43

Was it a bit was my friends a bit too middle class for you?

Paul 9:45

Did you did you struggle to uh to well there was teachers? There was teachers there, and then I and then being a teacher. No, there's nothing wrong with being a teacher. Oh, you're opening it. I'm not opening the cut of worms. No, I've got full respect for teachers. I couldn't do it. Um but yeah. Do you know what the top the tipping point for me was? And I haven't told you this because I've kept it in. Go on, I've held it in. The tipping point for me was I was in the kitchen, me, you, uh, your friend Tim. Yeah. Uh, your beautiful wife, and Tim's other half. I can't remember her name, I'm very sorry. What was her name? Roz. Roz, that's it, Tim and Roz. It was when um either your wife or Roz went, oh, let me get myself a cake fork so I can eat the strawberries out of my wine.

Chris 10:42

Yeah, what's wrong with that? It's a s it's a very small fork. You haven't ever got a have you got a cake fork in your house? It's not like a normal fork, it's a very small fork.

Paul 10:52

No, I do have a cake fork in my house. I get that. Yeah but the fact that the fact that I was still in the kitchen, I had a brew, I had a cup of tea. Was it good enough for you? Was it Yeah, tea was sensational. Was it? Um, but it's a fact that uh have you got a uh have you got a cake fork so I can eat the strawberries out of my wine?

Chris 11:14

Well what would you have done? What would you have done?

Paul 11:16

Put your hand in. Well, first of all, I wouldn't have strawberries in my wine. What sort of wine? What's going on with my voice? What sort of wine out there? Do you have to put strawberries in it?

Chris 11:29

Yeah, it was in a rose. So I wouldn't put that in the red wine, clearly, but strawberries in a rose is quite nice.

Paul 11:36

Oh sorry, that that was that was a that that was a bit much for me.

Chris 11:41

The wine the wine top topped you over.

Paul 11:44

The wine tipped me over, and then so and then teachers were being teachers and talking about things, and they were abbreviating everything, and it's like I don't know what you're talking about.

Chris 11:54

But here's what you do. You just don't you just acknowledge. I have no idea what they're talking about half the time. I just go, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's terrible, isn't it?

Paul 12:02

Yeah. But I'm never that uh yeah, yeah, yeah. The yeah, the EFF 7, 11, 12, 13. What? I don't know what you mean. I'm just a guy that stands on stage and talks about animals.

Chris 12:13

But it's just not your world, is it? You know?

Paul 12:15

No. If it was beautiful people, by the way.

Chris 12:18

Oh, I'll let I'll I'll send that feedback.

Paul 12:20

Well, actually, Tim made it very well, very he was very vocal yesterday that he's never had a shout-out. Well, here it is. He's got give Tim a shout-out, go on.

Chris 12:29

He's not only got a shout, he's got a whole segment on it. He's done the whole intro.

Paul 12:33

Tim was alright. I was uh Tim was great because we're talking football. But it was it was the cake fork in the wine glass, taking out the strawberries, eating the strawberries. It's like, why are you fermenting the strawberries?

Chris 12:45

Alright, let's let's go as a little sidetrack on this. What what do you do in a situation? Say you go to a wedding and you're meeting you're meeting other people, couples, yeah. They don't work in our industry, they've got what I like to call proper jobs, you know, like stressful jobs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you do in that scenario? Do you sort of blend in and go, yeah, I think the KPIs are gonna be hitting Q3 this year, yeah, and I think um yeah, I think we need to go and go into that space a little bit more, or do you go, or you're a bit more I can get involved with this, or would you walk away?

Paul 13:23

It depends. First of all, it depends on the person.

Chris 13:27

Yeah.

Paul 13:28

If I kind of know them, but like blind.

Chris 13:32

You don't know them.

Paul 13:33

Like I don't know them for Madam, I don't even know who.

Chris 13:36

You just go in first intro, hi, my name's Paul. Oh, what do you do for a living? I do this.

Paul 13:42

Do you know what I do? I dam my beer very quickly and go, I'm just gonna go and get myself another drink, and then I never return. Oh, you're harsh. Why? That's hard. I'm not gonna try and engage with somebody that I've got one, don't know, two, I've got no interest about like how does it I don't know.

Chris 14:01

Do you know what? I sometimes I've never mentioned what I do for a living. I just say I do admin, and then immediately people switch off. And then I sort of just sort of wait.

Paul 14:10

You can't really do that in our game. We were talking about this the other day in the dressing room that when you try and explain our jobs, it's hard to explain. It is. Because you go, Oh, I do a show, what's your show? Oh, uh, we do a show with animals, and then we go, What actual animals do you like? No, it's it's animatronics and costumes, and they're like, What? It's like when people go sometimes. You just go, I'm j I'm a theatre performer, let's just leave it at that.

Chris 14:37

I do you know, I've had it before, I've been in the dentist, and oh you're not at work today. I said, No, they said, What are you doing for a living? I said, Oh, I'm a DJ. What music do you like? Well, it's such a broad range of music. I I just I there's there's there's certain genres of music I love.

Paul 14:53

So what you're saying is that you've lied, you've said to people, uh yeah, I work in uh learning development.

Chris 14:59

Yeah, in in in the music industry. And it's like, oh what music do you play? Well, you you know, well I play whatever people want, really. Whoever's paying me.

Paul 15:13

Well not really, because if you go to an 80s weekend, you play 80s music.

Chris 15:16

Well, yeah, they're pet they're pet they're paying me to play 80s. If they somebody went, oh can you play, you know, if I was doing a wedding, they were asking for specific songs, I'll just play it. Well, if I don't like it, I don't like it, but I don't care.

Paul 15:29

Yeah, but back to back to your point. I in that situation I'd just walk away.

Chris 15:33

Would you?

Paul 15:34

Yeah, I'd just walk away. What did you do?

Chris 15:36

I'd get involved. I'd like to find out a bit of a job. Would you? Yes, yeah, I love it. I love do you know what I love is going into a room full of people I don't know and finding a bit of finding out what they do or who they are, what they're about. Yeah, okay, some people probably not as exciting as as others, but you know, you've got to give people the benefit of the doubt. And actually, some people don't like that environment, and I get that. And actually they're going to be able to do it.

Paul 16:00

But that's me though. I I find as much as I'm quite confident as a person, I struggle in those environments. Do you? Yeah, I love it. I love it. Look, if you go back to when we were red coats, right? Let's paint the picture. We're both like in our early 20s, we both DJ'd reds together. If there was a show on, where would I go?

Chris 16:23

You sit backstage. And where would you go? I'd be out front talking to the people. There you go, that proves the point. Talking to the audience, finding out a bit about them. No, I can't do it.

Paul 16:35

I'm I'm never which is amazing because that's one of the best traits you have to have as a red coat.

Chris 16:39

Yeah. Is to talk to people, yeah.

Paul 16:41

I struggled with that. But to be fair, we wore a red jacket, so we kind of hid behind that a little bit. Yeah, I mean if I wasn't really Paul Gilbert, was I? I was Red Coat Paul.

Chris 16:49

Yeah. And actually, um both both of both are nice people.

Paul 16:54

So why are you trying to compliment me? It's a bit weird. His bit weird. Yeah, it was a bit weird. Yeah, and actually, while we're while we're on the subject of butlins, happy birthday butlins. We're not doing a whole episode about it, but happy birthday butlins. Butlins was 90 years old, so there you go.

Chris 17:09

That's a good innings, isn't it?

Paul 17:11

Yeah, good innings, that. Yeah, happy birthday. Do you know what is nice about that is seeing everybody's Facebook posts, that's been quite cool. But if you've never hollowed it at Butlins, have a look. That's the end of the matter.

Chris 17:21

I think it's because we work with so many people, it was nice to see their memories. I I was trying to uh look back at some of my pictures, and because my because it was so long ago, all my pictures are so grainy, it wasn't even worth putting up.

Paul 17:34

Yeah, and do you know what I found about my my time looking at all my pictures? It's just me and you. It is actually. Me and you and then even in pictures that other people posted, like a group picture in one of the sheds, it's me and you in it.

Chris 17:50

Now, for those people that don't know what the shed is, it wouldn't sit in sheds, but they were called sheds, the accommodation, weren't they? I don't know where did that I don't even know where that came from.

Paul 17:58

It's like it's just a shed, it just became a thing when it wasn't really an accommodation, it was a shed.

Chris 18:04

It was a it was a room with a toilet, I guess, and a kitchen.

Paul 18:06

But yeah, every picture I looked at, it was like, oh, there's there there I am. Oh, there's Chris next to me.

Chris 18:11

Yeah.

Paul 18:11

Here's another one. There we are. But anyway, happy birthday, butlins.

Chris 18:14

Happy birthday, butlins and happy birthday to them.

Paul 18:15

And we did actually get an email. We've had our first two emails on the email.

Chris 18:19

Get out of it! Well, no, well, you haven't checked them for about four years, so that's no, you're right.

Paul 18:25

And just so you know, we've had two. So we've had an email from Chris Grey who lives in Cornwall. He said, Hi guys, love the pod. You are inspiring dozens.

Chris 18:36

Really?

Paul 18:37

What this inspiring I've heard about that. Inspired who? I don't know. But anyway, he's he sent a question and a tut. So we'll do the tut later. Yeah. But the question is, what is the thing you miss most about being a red coat? You go first.

Chris 18:54

Uh probably it's a weird thing, really, because I was eight I was 18, 19, and I loved those first few years because it was like a first proper job, and it was like it was like being at university but with your mates, but there was no qualification at the end of it. That's that's how I can that's how I can describe it. Uh I love the fact that I got the chance to per first, you know, perform for the first time and going out in front of an audience, like on stage every day, every night of the week. And I I and I remember the first time I ever went out on stage, it was terrible. Absolutely. Do you know what I did? I don't know if this ever happened to you, but I walked out on stage, the light came on, spotlight comes on, and I went, Good evening, everybody. Welcome. Uh, welcome to the first night of your holiday. Uh yeah, so some of the lines of gives you if you've been here before, and uh gives you if you haven't, and then I said you've got a great lineup of entertainment coming up, we've got and I could I I completely forgot who we had.

Paul 19:54

Yeah, but that happens in every that's that's uh that's a that's a normal thing to happen in our game.

Chris 19:59

Yeah, of course we're gonna. Honestly, I thought I came off going, I don't think I could do this. I like I've looked, I watched you and a few others do it. I thought this that looked easy. It's not when you get Do you know what?

Paul 20:09

That's one thing perception is you can stand on stage and just talk is one of the hardest things to do as a I suppose it's it's not even just in the end screen, but just being a guest speaker. Yes. Is sometimes you just drift off.

Chris 20:25

Do you know what I don't like is uh if you ever have to like present something in front of maybe two or three people, goodness me, I struggle under the impression. It's mad. Put me in a room of a thousand people, not a problem. But two or three people that are giving you eye contact and just like if you're yeah, if you're having an interview or you're delivering a presentation.

Paul 20:47

Because in my previous life when I worked for Butlins uh in their leadership team, it was you had to do that all the time. And it was like, I can't. Do you know what was really weird? It was it was doing a presentation or delivering a project or a plan or whatever to people that you were in the bar with ten hours before.

Chris 21:11

Yeah, it's on a night out. It it's yeah, and you can see the looks in their eyes going, come on, mate, wrap it up. That's what that that's what I have in my head all the time. You get a little smile at the beginning, and then by the end of it, they're like, oh, just just just.

Paul 21:24

Yeah, but that's where sometimes I think you should go. Just send me the presentation, I'll let you know what I think about it. Yeah, we're not going with that. See you later. You go, yeah, cheers, thanks, mate. See you later. Why do I have to sit and talk about it? Just read it. Anyway, so the thing I miss most about buttons is a red. As a red. Yeah, as a red. Um it was just a laugh. Non-stop fun. All the time. It ne it was how what what do you call it when it's like um it was so um the word like it never stopped. Like even it you think about being a red coat, it's just about being out floor being a red coat and doing the job and the role and doing a Bob the Builder show or a a Billy show or being a red, but it the red coat thing carried on on team lines. Because we all lived together in the same block. I don't think we ever locked our door.

Chris 22:17

No, I d I don't think no, I don't think we ever did, because it was one of those things where you'd finish at midnight and you'd walk into next door and have a cup of tea and say hello. Because they'd be up, because they'd been just finished our

Paul 22:28

An hour before you did, so it was or you'd stand on the corner of team lines, listen for the noise, and go, Where's the party at? Where's the party? And then you would go, I think the party's at so and so's, and then you just go to the party. Yeah, yeah. So that's what I miss most. But anyway, thank you, Chris, for your question, and we'll do your tut later on.

Chris 22:46

Keep the questions coming in, please, because you know it's I think the last few episodes we've had a lot of correspondence from people I know, people I don't know, um, and it's been lovely to hear from you. So uh keep sending them in uh at postpavilion podcast on uh on Insta, Facebook, and the email. Did have we got the email somewhere on our on our socials?

Paul 23:06

Uh no, but I'll put it on. It's postpavilionpodcast at gmail.com.

Chris 23:10

Oh, that's easy.

Paul 23:11

Yeah, I was just reading that. We've had another email. Hiya, just listened to your podcast from the beginning, because I can't work out how to go forward. Uh got to tell Paul that I got the Bob the Builder question right. Love you, Sue. So that's Sue. Sue and Frank. It's not yeah, Sue and Frank, but Sue's email. They come to Butlins all the time. They were there when we were Redcoats.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

What episode is that about the Bob the Builder question?

Paul 23:38

But Sue is currently in hospital at the minute. She's she has messages separately. She's in hospital and with some treatment done. So I just want to send you lots of love from me and Chris.

Chris 23:46

And we'll send her a video how to scroll up to the latest episode.

Paul 23:49

No, it's not even worth it. Actually, to be fair, we were voice noting the other week and she sent her voy her first voice note to me. Well telling me that she was in hospital. But yeah. But I don't know what the Bob the Builder question was. But anyway, thanks for getting in touch, Sue. And you've listened to it all.

Chris 24:05

Yeah, I noticed. I've noticed a few people, they've listened back to the very beginning, and the very beginning was was during those lockdown days. So some of it doesn't really make sense now.

Paul 24:14

So no, not really. Oh hang on. Why Sky Go just opened on my screen? Oh, click the wrong button. Oh no. That's it. Right. Anyway, so actually I've got something to discuss with you, Mr. Morley. Far away. Some right, hang on. Now I'm downloading Sky Go on my screen. What's going on here? Hang on. Notes. Um yeah, I'm not happy with you. Why? I feel a bit let down. By who? By me? You. You. I never I never thought I'd ever say these words. But you've been cheating on me. With What in what way? You cheated on me.

Chris 24:50

Go on, tell me more. What happened?

Paul 24:52

You cheated on me. I was you said we were on the phone the other day, and you were like, oh, that um that that podcast things out that I was on. I was like, excuse? What? You cheated on me with another podcast.

Chris 25:06

Right, okay, let's just break it down here. So this is I got asked to go on to another podcast, another platform, right?

Paul 25:13

So my my invite got lost then there.

Chris 25:15

You were working. I had to do it, I I was representing the post-pavilion podcast.

Paul 25:19

Don't pull that, don't pull that. I wasn't wanted, but you were look, I got there was a couple of things. You cheated on me.

Chris 25:25

There's a friend of mine who's got a podcast that she's doing uh and had a lovely time. It's called Dancing Through Business. Um if I'm honest with you, I don't really know why she had me on because I've had a look through some of their previous episodes and they've got really important people on their on their podcasts. Uh, and uh they interview people within all ranges of businesses, small, medium, large businesses, uh, different um different types of businesses. And uh she she invited me on, so I had a good old chat. It felt felt really nice actually. Felt I felt like a a weight was lifted off my shoulders, like a therapy session, but in a good way. What? So yeah, it was nice.

Paul 26:04

Well, so what you're saying is at the end of this podcast, at the end of each episode, you don't feel like a weight's been lifted, no? Yeah, no, I have fun doing this. So you you have you have to go on another podcast to feel refreshed in life to moving forward. You cheated on me with another podcast.

Chris 26:20

I didn't even get an invite. Look, if it gets us a few extra uh few extra listens, I'm gonna go.

Paul 26:25

Yeah, but who what what's so what's the name of the podcast?

Chris 26:27

Dancing through business. And who are the people that host it? Uh it's a lady called Kiri. Uh she she works with me and uh on the podcast.

Paul 26:36

And her friend that do the podcast together.

Chris 26:38

Yeah, they do the do the podcast together.

Paul 26:40

So uh why'd you why's the tone of your voice change a little bit? You forgot then for a second, didn't you? Right. You're cheating on me.

Chris 26:49

You can not happy, but you can catch the episode. Uh it's on their socials and it's on YouTube. So you can't. I'll tell you what.

Paul 26:56

I'll maybe as head of socials, I'll put a link. I'll I'll put a post out or a story. Don't bother. No, I'll do it. I'll do it because I want everybody to know you cheated on me. And I'll actually label it Chris Cheated on me. Listen here.

Chris 27:08

No, you've got to spin it on its head because actually we're collaborating.

Paul 27:12

We're we're not collaborating. You cheated on me. So I'm just yeah, it's alright.

Chris 27:16

So perhaps we'll get guests on. I that's another question. Should we have well I think I've mentioned it before, there's people that want to come on the pod, and we've got people that could come on to the pod it quite easily.

Paul 27:25

Right, well then let's do it then. Next episode, we'll get somebody on.

Chris 27:28

But actually, hang on, before you say that, do people want guests? That's you've got to ask the people.

Paul 27:34

Do you know what? I put a post out the other day saying, let us know what gets on your toots. Didn't have a single reply. So who cares? Just get somebody on.

Chris 27:43

We had no replies.

Paul 27:44

That's terrible. I'm not sure. If I'm honest, I don't know if I did it right. But anyway, I've got I've got an idea. You get the guest on, then I have to guess who it is. So you you organise the guest, and then we won't put them on our video link that we use to communicate, just their voice, and then I've got to guess who it is. Then we put them on the video link for me to see.

Chris 28:10

Well, let's talk about this because we can we can get we can we just gotta do a bit of planning, haven't we?

Paul 28:15

Why can you not fly with the seat of your pants and go, yeah, I'll make it happen. Yeah, because I know who you get anyway.

Chris 28:20

Alright, well, I'll make it happen and we'll we'll do it.

Paul 28:23

Yeah, I really like the band Queen.

Chris 28:27

They're good, aren't they? I'm I know I know somebody that's good in Queen and is a friend. There you go. Mercury tribute. Ask me to sorry for sorry for cheating there. Uh, but look, we know we've um we're just collaborating now.

Paul 28:41

Uh now Oh yeah, of course it is.

Chris 28:42

So we also we need to talk about you having a fall. You actually had a fall earlier.

Paul 28:48

I didn't just have a fall, I had the probably the most horrific 20 minutes of my life. Tell us more. And I'm still in pain today. So we were at Minehead, I think we were. I can't remember where we were, but we're at Minehead doing a show. We were loading in, and me and Craig, the boss, were carrying the push me pull me. So we're all loading the van. Yes. And we were carrying the push me pull me out of the van, and then you have to go up a ramp to get onto the stage.

Chris 29:16

Yeah.

Paul 29:17

Right? So I I but I was walking backwards and I walked up the ramp, and then I just fell off the ramp. But I fell off the ramp, which was quite high up, onto a metal frame, and it hit me, I landed on my ribs, and then I sounded like Voldemort, because I couldn't breathe.

Chris 29:39

You know when they you know when those people ring you up and go, have you had an accident the last uh Yeah, but it was my fault. Last couple of years.

Paul 29:45

I can't claim against myself. And then so then I did that, fell off, couldn't breathe. Everybody was really supportive. When I say they were supportive, they were supportive for about three minutes, and do you know what Craig did? Right? So he he we came over, I was I was bent over, I was struggling to catch my breath, and he decided to go, Are you right, mate? Is everything okay? And I'm going, I can't breathe. Like I was struggling to breathe. He decided to put his crotch in my face while I was and that made me laugh. And it took my mind off it. And then 15 minutes later, I got my breath back, I was in absolute agony. I still can't lie on that side of my body, and then a a CO2 canister fell on my foot, and now I've got a purple toe. That is pretty unlucky.

Chris 30:34

Two so you had a fall and a CO2 canister dropped on your foot. Yeah, they say it comes in threes, don't it? So what's the third thing?

Paul 30:42

Yeah, but didn't something happen? Did something happen something happened in the show a few weeks before that? So I'm counting that as the one. I think I fell off something or missed a mat or whatever. But yeah, I had a fall. I can't tell you. I never thought I'd get to an age where I moan about falling. When we're young, you don't worry about it.

Chris 31:00

But have you but have you been to the doctors? Have you got it checked out? Are we all okay? No. Well, that's your unfold.

Paul 31:06

No, as in I haven't been to the doctors. Right, if I broke my ribs, I'd know about it. But somebody said to me, When you can catch your breath, try and go and have a wee. And I went, What? What? He went, go and have a wee. I was like, why? And he went, because something to do with your muscles, when you when you pass urine, you're like, it it'll hurt. And I was like, What? What are you on about? So I went for a wee. It was a yeah, I get it, it was a little bit sore. And then he went, Why don't you go and have a number two? And I was like, why is that? He went, because your body muscles, they're all attached. And I did that, and I was like, Yeah, I'm fine. He was like, Yeah, you've not broke your ribs. You'd know.

Chris 31:45

I've never heard of that.

Paul 31:47

Well, according to that person, it was the truth, yeah, apparently so.

Chris 31:50

But was is that all psychological though? To go, yeah, oh yeah, such that, yeah.

Paul 31:55

Yeah, I know. I I'd know about it if I broke my ribs, but I definitely did break my ribs. I've just think they're very bruised internally. So now in bed, I'm now having to sleep on the other side. Oh no. Which is freaking me out. But yeah, I've had a fall.

Chris 32:07

He's had a fall. But you're okay now.

Paul 32:10

I'm alright. My toe is still purple. I've still got a purple toe. I don't need to see that. Have I showed you it?

Chris 32:15

Yeah, you've shown it too, mate. It's not nice at all.

Paul 32:21

Hey, guess what? I've got a question to Asher. Come on. Have you got any loyalty cards?

Chris 32:29

Yeah. I got loads of loyalty cards.

Paul 32:32

So like Tesco's?

Chris 32:33

Yep.

Paul 32:34

Morrison's?

Chris 32:35

Yep.

Paul 32:36

Little?

Chris 32:37

Yeah. Well, that's a good one. Aldi? No, don't shop there. You haven't got one for Aldi. You're shop at Lidl. I've got every coffee shop that's in a 10 mile radius of uh where I live.

Paul 32:47

So you've got a Costa and a Starbucks and the local ones as well that you like support in independent businesses, blah blah blah blah blah. Have you done them? Yeah, I've got a Costa card, Starbucks, Tesco's, Morrison's. Where you go with it? Morrison's actually. Well, you said something to me the other day. You went, yeah, um I'll go to the garden centre because I've got my loyalty card.

Chris 33:09

Yeah, absolutely. What? Because it's my birthday coming up, so I was like, right, I'll sign up to a loyalty scheme, and it said if you you know, if you sign up, you get free birthday cake on your birthday. And um I in all fairness, I Isn't that fraud? No, why is it fraud?

Paul 33:26

Because the only reason you signed up for a loyalty card at the garden centre was to get a free bit of cake.

Chris 33:33

Yeah, but I'm getting points on my next coffee. So I'll I'll go back there again.

Paul 33:37

I'm not gonna just garden centre.

Chris 33:39

Yeah. Have you been to a garden centre these days? They're amazing.

Paul 33:42

I hate garden centres with a passion. Love 'em.

Chris 33:44

Never go on a Monday though, because that's pension day. But don't worry about it.

Paul 33:48

I hate garden centres. We you when I was a kid, I used to live near a garden centre. It was on the back of the house. Yeah. Right? And I used to jump over the fence and go nick a can of iron brew. That's how rubbish their security was.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

But but garden centres have changed. Do you know what? Since having kids, that's that's a day out for us.

Chris 34:06

What do you want to do today? Go to the garden centre, honestly. And parents could relate to this because they go, we'll go around the garden centre, have a quick look round, and then sit and have some cake and a coffee.

Paul 34:16

No, I I I don't understand I get garden centres. I understand garden centres. If you want to go buy a plant, go and buy a plant. If you want to save a bee, save a bee. I get all that. Go and buy a book house, go and buy a book house. That's amazing. But people go they go to garden centres just for something to do. Absolutely. No, what's wrong with it? Have you ever I hate garden centres?

Chris 34:37

Yeah, but you haven't experienced the one that where I'd live down at it's not just a garden centre, it is like a leisure centre, honestly.

Paul 34:43

Trust me. I am very vocal about how much I dislike garden centres. That sometimes when we're on tour and we're driving somewhere, we say we're having a pit stop on the way because we we no need to get there, so like we're in no rush. And then the guys will pull into a garden centre. Lovely. And I'm like, why are we in a garden centre?

SPEAKER_01 35:02

Yeah, but it's nice, isn't it? You're surrounded by plants. You having a coffee, there's always outside seating areas. Lovely.

Paul 35:08

Oh, I hate garden centres, but just so I know, I think you're disgusting the fact that you've got a loyalty card for a garden centre.

Chris 35:14

Well, it's no difference to have a loyalty card with a supermarket.

Paul 35:18

But that's that you go there every day, don't you?

Chris 35:21

I just go there quite a bit, yeah. But I go to the I I go and get a nice coffee from the garden centre. It's no difference to me going to a Costa, and I actually I don't want to go to Costa because they're they're too big. I want to I want to go local. Spend local. Don't give it to the corporates. Stop spending Starbucks. They're not good.

Paul 35:39

I'm all up for that. We went to an independent coffee shop the other day. Good. It was nice.

Chris 35:44

Yeah, see?

Paul 35:45

I had a flat white.

Chris 35:47

Yeah, we did. We went out for a little coffee, didn't we? Yeah, that's what I just said. Are you deaf?

Paul 35:51

That's what I just said. Sorry, I thought zone out then. No, I thought you meant. No, you're saying you went out. The point I am trying to make is I understand supporting independent businesses. I get all that. But I had a flat white in that place the day. Yeah. It was nice. But you weren't blown away by it.

Chris 36:09

But Starbucks is better. No, it's not. It is. I'll take it to some nice places.

Paul 36:14

No, you're right. Anyway, go on. What's next?

Chris 36:16

Next, it was time for our favourite feature. It's what gets on your tutz.

Paul 36:22

What gets on your tut? What gets on your tut. Do, do, do. Are we that far in, are we?

Chris 36:26

Yeah. Oh well. Yeah, we've we've we've doesn't doesn't time fly when you're having fun. It does, doesn't it? And lots of people even though Paul did mention nobody got in touch, we have had people get in touch over the last.

Paul 36:37

We have had people get in touch about their tutz. But when I put a post out, I was like, oh no one, no one bothered. Well you did it wrong.

Chris 36:42

You got a you got a special.

Paul 36:43

Yeah, probably.

Chris 36:44

You probably need to be looking at.

Paul 36:46

Oh, speaking of speaking, let me let me open it. So remember last week in the last episode we spoke about email addresses. The fact that my uncle's got an email address called Goat Lips or whatever it was. Um a quite a big some big influencers have got in touch. Oh ransom big pants, they got in touch, um, and they said that they work in the industry that we do, they used to, and um they were doing an audition and someone signed up, like signed in for an audition, and they said, What's your name? Da da da. So can you just pop your email address in there for me? And her email address was Dildo Laura. Well, there you go. Why would you go to an audition and go, my email address is dildo Laura?

Chris 37:31

It's but I mean at the time it was probably funny, wasn't it? But when you've got to be an adult and grown up, you can't really do that, can you?

Paul 37:38

No, exactly. But anyway, thanks, rants, big pants, for getting in touch. We love that.

Chris 37:42

Thank you.

Paul 37:43

Are we doing Tuts then?

Chris 37:44

Yeah, can I start it off? Go on in. Go on then. Okay, this happened to me while I was away. And I don't know if this has ever happened to anybody else. But Oh, is this when you were on the ship? This is when I was on the I was on the ship, and I uh we went and climbed about five million steps, and then at the top there's a lovely little view. There's loads of place loads of space to go and have a nice photo. Nice. And there was a the I there I wanted to have a picture in this particular place, and there was a family queuing up to have the same uh picture done in this in this viewpoint. Anywhere for they're only gonna be 20 seconds, it's a quick snap. I'll to you know, I'll take the picture, snap the picture for 'em. Lovely. And there was probably about ten of them. And lovely picture. Well, there you go. And then oh, oh, actually, can you um oh with with just just me on my own now? Yeah, yeah, that's no problem. Oh snap, snap that way. Oh yeah, uh, can can me and my wife have a picture now? Yeah, yeah, that that's absolutely did a photo shoot for him for about 20 minutes. Everybody wanted a picture.

Paul 38:47

Yeah, no, I know exactly what you're talking about.

Chris 38:50

I went literally I just wanted a quick selfie, mate, and I've stood it. I was like, I'm gonna start charging now for a photo shoot. I was like, just just take one picture, it's all it all looks nice, and get away and move, go somewhere else.

Paul 39:01

So, yeah, no, I get that because that happens a lot on cruise ships, and you obviously on a cruise, but you were at a location trying to get taken a view. But on cruise ships, you have the captain's night, don't you? Yeah, oh yeah, and and everybody dresses up, and in every ship there's like a feature, a photo opportunity. Normally the stairs, isn't it? That's it, the stairs, but it's when you get the big parties that go, right now they'll do a group one, then it's mum and dad, then it's mum and dad of the kids, yeah, and then grandma and granddad get in, but then mum and dad of the kids have got to get out, so grandma and granddad can have one, but then they all get back in because their neighbours have joined as well. Yeah. And it's like it made me when I went on the ship go, I don't even want a picture.

SPEAKER_01 39:47

I think why don't you just take one big picture and AI it out?

Chris 39:51

AI's so good these days. You just go, oh what we'll just win mum and dad. Just just ask AI to do it. Don't you you're waste everywhere? And what a weird thing to have pictures on a stairs. Have you ever done that in your house? Just gone, oh, I'm all suited and booted, I'm gonna have a picture on the stairs.

Paul 40:05

Not being funny, my stairs need new carpet and needs painting. You're you're on a you're on a multi-billion pound ship. Yeah, it is quite grand. I get the sentiment behind it, yeah, but don't take so long.

SPEAKER_01 40:18

But the thing is, you can't get down the stairs because people are having pictures on them. You're like, sorry, mate, I've got to come down here because I've got to use the stairs for what I actually need them for.

Paul 40:26

Yeah, but when when I did the ships in year one, um we we played a little game where we stood at the top of the stairs and we were trying to get in people's pictures. But because we were the guest entertainers on that ship at that point, we got quite recognised a lot around the ship. Because let's be honest, you'll get it, you've got nowhere to go. No, you haven't. So, which is an amazing feeling, but so me and the guys, we would try and like sneak down the stairs, and then they turn around and go, Oh guys, you're like, I'm sorry. So you could get away with it, but then you just walked, and then it's like, anyway, I want to get down the stairs, and then you just move everyone out of the way. But yeah, I get that. Yeah. Uh we've had one in Oh, you actually mentioned this to me, and I don't think you know I put it on, but you were your friend Amber, they have 20-minute voice notes. Tell me about that.

Chris 41:17

Oh yeah, so people who send voice notes on WhatsApp, uh, but it lasts for about 20 minutes. Like, that's too long. That is a phone call. Just pick up the phone and phone them. I don't mind a what I don't mind a voice message. I don't mind it. It is a bit annoying when you go, oh, what did they say again? You've got to go through all the voice messages, whereas the text you can search for it. But the voice note tops no longer than three minutes. I'm sorry, there should be a cut-off point. You know, when back in the 90s, you know, you could only send 180 characters on a text message, it should be that should be the time for WhatsApp voice message. WhatsApp should alert you, go, sorry guys, phone each other. There's even an option to do that on WhatsApp, just click the phone button. It's too long. Is that just me? Uh if somebody sent you a 20-minute voice note, you go, I'm not listening.

Paul 42:07

Yeah, no, I agree. Sometimes I do a lot of voice noting when I'm driving. Yeah. Because sometimes people aren't able to call. So it's like they might be out and about with the kids or get that, or whatever. Then it's like, oh, how you getting on? Da da da reply, send. So it's like you're having a long phone call but in segments. But I understand your point. Yeah, 20 minute after a 20-minute voice note. After three minutes, I don't really care.

Chris 42:33

Yeah. No.

Paul 42:34

Do you know what they also do as well? People send voice notes, they don't even listen to them, they just use the transcript button.

Chris 42:39

Is that a thing?

Paul 42:40

Yeah, you can press. So if I send you a voice note, it comes up, you can have the transcript. Oh, that's my biggest. But certain words it don't pick up on. It's like playing the worst version of blankety blank.

Chris 42:51

Well, I think they should just ban voice notes for that long length of time. Uh who else is?

Paul 42:56

Let's go to Chris's one. Uh he emailed in, didn't he? Um people in theatres coughing like it's a pandemic.

Chris 43:05

Oh, yeah, but it's nothing worse. If you've got a little cough on the go, if you're not feeling 100%, and it's one of those and you're and subconsciously you're going, don't cough, don't cough, don't cough. And you're trying to hold it in, and you've just got to let a cough out, and you just can't help it.

Paul 43:20

Where do you think's the worst place to cough?

Chris 43:23

At a funeral.

Paul 43:25

Right, I'm so glad you said that. So a few years ago, I I lost a dear friend who I used to work with, and we were at his funeral, and it was so busy, he was a legend. And it was a really sad moment because he died suddenly and all that, blah blah blah blah blah. But I was sat with some some friends at the funeral, and I sat quite close to the front. Like I'm saying, like in front of the coffin, three rows back. Very close. I was that close. His family were like two rows in front. But I got this tickle in my throat. Oh no. And for the whole service, I was trying to hold a coffin, and then I A coffin!

Chris 44:10

A coffin nice bit of business there.

Paul 44:16

There we go. That was an unconscious joke. But yeah, so then I was using my suit to put it over my face to cough into my suit, and then it wouldn't go away, and then I just I in the End the funeral finished, it was really sad. And then I went outside. I went to my car, and because I've been trying to hold a coughing that much, it made me sick. Oh no. And then I threw up at the back of my car. But as I threw up at the back of my car, a member of his family went, You're right, mate. And I was like, Yeah. But yeah, coughing. Oh no. Do you know what? It's people that if you need to cough, move. Yeah. But only if you can. Yes. Like you can't at a funeral. You can't at a theatre.

Chris 44:58

At a theatre, yeah. Sometimes if you're midway a show, you just it just can't help it. I mean, doesn't it doesn't bother me too much. I think it would bother me more if somebody's like ri like um throating a bag of crisps or something, and they've Did you just say throat in a bag of crisps? No, no, no, not throating a bag of crisps. Oh right. Uh like unwrapping a bag of crisps or something. Oh right, just opening. Sorry, that's what you said throat. No, no, opening a bag of crisps.

Paul 45:22

Um How do you feel about people squeezing spots in public?

Chris 45:27

Ridiculous. I think that's disgusting. I would say they are no friends of mine.

Paul 45:32

Well, ironically, they're not friends of yours. Oh, absolutely. I but I know a couple called Billy and Caitlin, and they were squeezing spots. They were sat in a venue just squeezing each other's spots.

Chris 45:48

That's ridiculous. That's disgusting.

Paul 45:49

Like it's some form of foreplay.

Chris 45:51

No, that is disgusting. Why would you do that? I don't like squeezing spots.

Paul 45:55

See, my mum's obsessed with squeezing. You don't squeeze your own spots.

Chris 45:58

No, I'm not a teenager.

Paul 46:00

To be fair, I don't yeah, but to be fair, I don't really get a lot of spots.

Chris 46:03

No, I don't.

Paul 46:03

But my when as a kid, my mum always used to squeeze my spots all the time. But people that like uh squeeze spots in public, they just need absolutely shoot in.

Chris 46:14

Uh Lucy has got in touch. She says, uh, when somebody's just randomly comes up to you and says, smile, when you might not actually be feeling in the best of moods. I could relate to that. Because sometimes you might not be able to do that. What do you mean? Where's when say if you haven't got a smile on your face and somebody just comes up to you and goes, God, cheer up, smile? And you're like, I don't want to, mate. I just want to get to where I need to go to. Do you know what I mean?

Paul 46:41

No.

Chris 46:42

What do you do? Just what do you mean?

Paul 46:44

I don't what's the problem?

Chris 46:46

Smile, smile. No, because it's because you don't want to smile.

Paul 46:49

Do you know the person that's saying smile or is it just a random person?

Chris 46:52

Could be a random person, yeah.

Paul 46:53

Oh, then punch him in the face. Yeah.

Chris 46:55

Well, I wouldn't go to that extreme. But I just go, I just go, nah.

Paul 46:59

No, honestly, if a random person just walked up to me in the high street and went, smile, I'd be like, shut up, go away. It's nah. Slap, done. See you later. Now watch me smile.

Chris 47:11

Yeah, see, I just don't get that. I think, oh, mind your own business. I've d I I just need to get to where I need to go.

Paul 47:17

Do you know what I'm watching a lot at the minute is a bit a lot uh videos of TikToks of like Karen's. They don't I I hate that they're called Karen's, because I we know a lovely Karen. It's annoying if you are called Karen. But yeah, that but some people just like they're just annoying. Like some of the stuff. Like someone stood in a car parking space, saving their car parking space for their husband who was driving around the car park. Oh, yeah, I've seen people do that. Well why? Well, it's what would you honestly do in that situation? Tell me what you'd honestly do and tell me what you'd like to do.

Chris 47:51

I think I might have done it before though. I think I've been one of those people because I'm going to What that have saved the space? Yeah, I'll go, quick, loot round, there's a space here, I've got it.

Paul 47:58

And then you stand in it, but has a car come up to park in that space? Yeah, and I go, sorry, mate, I've got a Oh you you it generally I've done it once. That makes me want to end our friendship. I didn't feel good about it. Disgusting. You're literally the lowest of the lowest. Yeah, but it's a busy car park. You dirty scum silly p why you you can't get out of a car because you've spotted a space for your partner to drive around the car park to get to that space, and you stand in the car park and somebody comes up to park in the space and go, sorry, mate, I'm saving this. What you're not in a car, so what right have you saved?

Chris 48:38

Actually, no, I tell a lie. I've got to the car park and I know somebody's sort of behind but a few cars back, and I've saved it for them to go, hey up, Steve. I've got you a space. I've got I've already parked up.

Paul 48:52

Yeah, but if Steve doesn't appear and another car appears to park it, like to go, excuse me, I'm parking in that space. You go, no, sorry, go away.

Chris 48:59

No, he's Steve's appeared. He's he's in a distance, he's about three cars back.

Paul 49:03

I think you backtracked a little bit there. Alright. I think you backtracked. You got any more tucks?

Chris 49:07

Uh have you got any more? Any more?

Paul 49:08

Uh oh Dean's got in touch, so uh giving people star roles in shows just because of their name. I see, I've never I don't know what that means.

Chris 49:20

I basically I think that means that the same person or people get cast for the sa for for all the big roles. I guess if you're in that industry and some people might not even have to audition, they just go, well, you know, such and such has got that role because it's them because they've been doing it for a long time, maybe.

Paul 49:39

Right, I s I okay I don't want to say anything about that because I sit um I sit on the fence with that.

Chris 49:46

Oh okay. What are you sitting on? What part of the fence? You're halfway across it? I'm I'm more I'm more towards I'm more towards um if somebody is without becoming if somebody's good enough then they should get the they should get the role. Is that what you're trying to say?

Paul 50:09

Yeah but it's just I think because of their name is that celeb wise because sometimes when you got me? Sorry, that was a watch gone off then. Yeah, um I think a name has to sell something. Correct. Like a panto. Yeah. And like Lee is it legally blonde that's on tour at the minute? They've got two names in it that Hanna Lauva and the other one. I've never seen it, but they're yeah, but a name sells it, so yeah, I get it because of their name. Of course, they get the role, whatever, because in the end of the day, it sells tickets, so sometimes you have to put a name in to be able to sell the tickets, to be able to pay everybody to do all that. But I think in the other context of the people that in a certain environment where the same person gets the role all the time, they're not selling tickets. Because they're better than you.

Chris 51:00

Could be, and we'll leave it as that, shall we?

Paul 51:04

Yeah, I'll proper sit on the fence for that. Alright, there you go. I can't believe I've been very reserved on that.

Chris 51:09

Very, very reserved. It's time for us to go, but thank you so much. Uh thanks so much for sending your your tutz in. Uh keep them cool.

Paul 51:19

Bit of a laid back episode, doesn't it?

Chris 51:21

Laid back, laid back episode. That's okay. Because it can't all be can't all be jumping around with joy. It has been a joyful episode, hasn't it?

Paul 51:27

It has been wonderful. But yeah, I I'm not gonna lie. Ask me what I'm about to do now. What you do now? I'm literally gonna shut down the laptop. I'm getting back into bed. Good for you. What time is it? 12 05. How no food in the house. How the other half live. I've got nothing. I've literally not got a do you know what I've got in my house? Water. That's literally all I've got.

Chris 51:52

Good start. Get that get that um club card out. You'll be using that today.

Paul 51:56

No, because that means leaving the house. Um I just genuinely want to get back into bed. It's sad, isn't it? Anyway. I'll say goodbye now. You can finish the episode off. Bye.

Chris 52:06

Thanks for joining us, and we'll see you on the next episode of the Post Pavilion Podcast. Enjoy your sleep.