The CrimeJuicy Gang digs deep with investigative journalist Gerry Bello about the convoluted world of the intelligence community, the ultra-rich, blackmail, and - of course - Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
Gerry Bello who has spent decades tracking the intelligence community - from torture taxis to timely deaths. Check out more of his work at www.mockingbirdpaper.com and www.mockingbirdpublishing.net.
Join us on Patreon at www.patreon.com/crimejuicygang for bonus episodes, unaired content, exclusive expert interviews, swag, and a peek behind the juice!
The CrimeJuicy Gang digs deep with investigative journalist Gerry Bello about the convoluted world of the intelligence community, the ultra-rich, blackmail, and - of course - Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
Gerry Bello who has spent decades tracking the intelligence community - from torture taxis to timely deaths. Check out more of his work at www.mockingbirdpaper.com and www.mockingbirdpublishing.net.
Join us on Patreon at www.patreon.com/crimejuicygang for bonus episodes, unaired content, exclusive expert interviews, swag, and a peek behind the juice!
Ghislane Maxwell, Alcor and Vampires with Guest Gerry Bello
Becca: [00:00:00] Can I call you Carrie Anne danger?
Carrie: Danger is my favorite color.
Krista: I'll be Krista. I'll be Krista Whittles.
Carrie: Welcome. We're going to be talking to Gerry Bello who is a journalist, publisher, activist, and inventor.
Becca: You can read more about what Gerry writes on:
Gerry: Mockingbirdpublishing.net
Becca: We're here to talk about Alcor, Ghislane Maxwell's connection to Alcor - that bitch, Jeffrey Epstein's frozen head and frozen penis. And what it all means.
Krista: And vampires.
Becca: And the vampires.
Krista: We can't forget the vampires. That's a huge point for me.
Gerry: And I have to disappoint you here. The blood drinking blood transfusion thing is kind of a weird wacky footnote.
Krista: Yes, it is.
Carrie: Peter Thiel is getting young blood donations. I think you're the one that told me that Gerry.
Gerry: Yeah, but it doesn't work.
Carrie: It does in the mouse experiment.
Becca: Gerry, can you talk to us about like what Alcor is and how Jeffrey Epstein, everyone's like favorite pedophile, relates to Alcor.
Gerry: Okay. Alcor is a company that's been around for a long time, you pay them $5 million to be a member. You sign over a bunch of your estate to them, a bunch. When you were about to die, they will send a team to whisk you away, not kill you, but give you a lethal overdose of barbiturates. And then - is where it's going to get really fun - freeze you in liquid nitrogen until there's a cure or cut your head off and freeze that in liquid nitrogen until there's a cure.
Krista: So is this like Demolition Man type of shit?
Gerry: Science says no, no, no, no, no, no. And no. Okay.
Becca: Do you think this is going to be like future mummies? The pyramids and mummies and shit from the past, this is going to be what they're going to find of the elite in the future?
Gerry: No, because mummy's will wind up being better preserved. I shut the electricity off to that and it's over. Okay. That's one, two. Alright. What they claim to be able to do in order to freeze you is flash freeze you all the way through instantaneously.
Becca: Is that possible?
Gerry: I don't think so. I mean, it might be possible if they very, very, very, very, very suddenly submerged you in liquid helium and had liquid helium inside you at the same time. Remember your body's generating heat throughout it's volume, freezing on the outside does not mean freezing on the inside. Just the same as cooking meat. So you would have to freeze it really, really, really, really fast so that the water in all the cells crystallizes, not as ice. Okay. After that, you can keep them in liquid nitrogen. You're good. But that first freeze has to be perfect. If it is not - let's talk about ice. I can keep cube of ice and I put it in a glass of water. It floats. The solid water is less dense than the liquid water. Now, if I don't freeze a person fast enough and the solid water, all of a sudden is less dense than liquid water, that solid water is going to take up too much space. It is going to do that inside every cell in the body.
Carrie: Wouldn’t we just need to drink an antifreeze component. Like the frogs have antifreeze in their body and that's why they don’t freeze. Yeah. There's frogs that don't freeze dude. Like they freeze, but their cells don't do what Gerry's talking about. Freeze. And then once they, they expand and right.
Gerry: And that's the cell of a frog, not the cell of a person we are not wrong.
Carrie: Just saying, what if they've got something? They could have some.
Krista: Would the amount of like the e-cigarettes that people are smoking and Fireball that people drink there's antifreeze in Fireball. I think they might be able to figure it out.
Becca: Drink Fireball before they, like,
Gerry: Okay. Let's say your antifreeze stuff is going to work. Yeah. Maybe.
Carrie: Kinda. If we get to you in time.ou're hoping if we get to you in time, right. Compare
Gerry: Right. Compare the volume of a frog and its surface area to the volume of a person and their surface area. Not the same. So you're going to now take a dying person while giving them a barbiturate overdose, pump them full of a chemical and get that chemical into every cell, every cell in their brain.
Becca: Who is investing in this again?
Gerry: Really stupid people for about the last 30 years. Here's how Alcor, they promise to be able to deliver this. Anyway, if you thaw somebody out. And they didn't do it right, which is 100% of the time. Okay. All the cell walls and cell membranes in them have gone pop because ice got too big inside and now you have water again. Water is a solvent. All right. All those proteins that are running around are now going to be dissolved in the water. It will turn you into frigging soup, essentially.
Becca: Sentient human soup.
Gerry: Yeah, you won't be sad.
Carrie: Gazpacho.
Gerry: I mean, here's the other thing as the water freezes, it's going to expel all the salt in it. Right. Now you think okay salt, whatever. I have a low salt diet. There's a whole bunch of other electrolytes going on here. the ones that carry your nerve endings, you have nerve endings that are fingers towards each other and then the little electrical impulses jumped back and forth and they're carried by chemicals. Nope. that's all going to get sucked out and then you're frozen out and released, triggering every single nerve in your body that can still function at once.
Krista: It would be very painful if you were still alive.
Gerry: Not really because to actually process the thoughts, that takes energy, which takes oxygen, which means whatever oxygen was in your frigging brain, you're going to be at a bare minimum instantly unconscious. Oh. And then you were dying of cancer and they gave you a barbiturate overdose after they turned you into to soup and stimulated all your nerves.
Becca: So why are people paying $5 million to have this happen? And why did Jeffrey Epstein do it?
Krista: Yeah, you pay to potentially just be Soylent Green for somebody.
Becca: Maybe that's the plan.
Krista: Oh!
Gerry: Because they’re psychotic assholes. And frankly speaking, let's look at the kind of people that pay for this stuff. you have Ben Goertzel, Jeffrey Epstein, Natasha Vita-Moore. These are people that we know have gone forward, a major league baseball player. Oh, whose family sued. The family sued for fraud and they also wanted their inheritance back.
Krista: Oh, that's ridiculous cost.
Gerry: Well, because they're holding your money and they're holding it in trust through a nonprofit that'll pay it back to you with all the interest when we thaw you out.
Becca: So you're like, I definitely want to be a billionaire in the future still.
Krista: That's the biggest scam I've ever heard.
Becca: Egyptian! Being buried with all your money so you can wake up in the afterlife with all your shit.
Carrie: Or it’s because of interest.
Krista: I don't know what the percentages are. So I'm just kind of talking out of my ass in these percentages here, but there's like a 0.1 chance that you'll actually come back to life and we'd be able to secure whatever element that made you freeze and oh yeah, by the way, we'll hold your money. But that, you know, 99.9% chance that you're going to be soup. Oh, sorry. We get your money now.
Gerry: Well, let's say their marketing materials for the product are a bit better than my Yelp review.
Krista: Well, yes.
Becca: It's like a true music video.
Gerry: No, it's like a Milli Vanilli music video.
Becca: All right. So a Jeffrey Epstein allegedly commits suicide in prison, but they rule it cardiac arrest. He's rushed out of the hospital with the respirator on, and then his head ends up in a jar at Alcor?
Gerry: We don't know. If I had a bunch of money, which I do not. Right. Yeah, mostly because I thought nobody cared. But when I say bunch of money, I mean, 20 to $50,000 in legal fees.
Becca: Y'all buy lots of Gerry's books.
Gerry: Probably $20,000. I got. I'm not spending 50, I'm not the New York Times. I don't spend $50,000 on one lawsuit for one story. Right. I figured that since Jeffrey Epstein was in the tombs, right, which is what they call the federal prison in Manhattan. I know a things or two about the tombs. I had friends there. Shout out to Jeremy Hammond recently released from federal prison and stick a pin in that. We'll be getting back to that in a minute.
Carrie: Gerry how did Alcor get their hands on him if they did get his body?
Gerry: In order for Alcor to get their hands on him, there had to be some kind of prior coordination with the fire department in New York. I went after the public records, like, is there a piece of paper in your whole headquarters building that has the word Alcor on it? Don't care which one, doesn't matter. Anything with Alcor on it. They're going to have to coordinate. They're going to have to get there while he's coding in order for this to work. Fire department in New York told me to go kick rocks. They refused my public records requests. They were like pissed off.
Becca: And that's illegal, right? To deny a…
Gerry: That’s illegal, but I would [00:10:00] have to sue the hell out of them, right. Now, I might win, but I don't live in New York. I would have to move to New York and hire an attorney in New York to get those records and win. Not something I'm willing to do for a 1500-word follow-on story, that's not the big deal about Jeff Epstein, truth be told. I filed the Alcor thing under another weird Jeff Epstein thing, put it in the pile with the others, except for some of the connections that came out of that and you all have been provided with an article with that handy chart of connections.
Carrie: Gerry you filed that paperwork right after his death correct.
Gerry: No, I filed the paperwork the Monday after he died.
Carrie: Oh. Days.
Gerry: Days. Not, I mean, in terms of business days, not even days, Monday morning, 9:00 AM email was on their desk. Good morning, have a Jeffrey Epstein day over at the fire department of New York.
Becca: They’re like, “That's what we have!”
Gerry: Right. But nobody was headed in that direction. However, what we know about Epstein's death is he met with his attorney or a junior partner from his attorney's firm for about four hours. Nobody knows what happened in that room. He gets out and he goes back to his cell. He dead, and the cameras are off. First of all, bullshit. Okay. The cameras are not off anywhere in that building ever. On top of a hacker that just got done doing eight and a half in 10 years that I know, are you going to tell me that we're broke on the same floor of the same prison, where you were keeping El Chapo? Same floor, and the cameras are broken?
Carrie: They didn't have a problem keeping the cameras on for El Chapo. I get ya. I get ya.
Becca: We want to know what he's doing.
Gerry: I can get them to look the other way, but I've got talent, but America's got talent,
Becca: Man. Those poor guys, must've seen some weird shit.
Gerry: And some mostly boring shit. Allegedly Jeffrey Epstein, also his thing was that he wanted his egg-shaped cock also frozen for use in his new body when they…
Becca: Why?
Gerry: What?
Becca: Why? My theory is that he gets some sick, sadistic pleasure from like fucking people with this weird egg shaped cock. And they're like, this is weird. I don't like this cock or like, this cock is weird. And he's like, yeah! I dunno, that's my theory.
Gerry: I mean…
Carrie: You obviously had to accept it.
Gerry: Yes. There's dangerous liaisons plugged in there, but I'm just going to leave it alone for now.
Carrie: Accept my cock for what it is!
Becca: He's empowered.
Gerry: Yeah. Whatever, if you take Donald Trump's mutant mushroom cock and Jeffrey Epstein's egg shaped cock. Yeah. You get a Mar-a-Lago omelet. Well, I mean, let's tie in Mara Lago for a minute. Remember, the woman who's actually suing Ghislaine Maxwell. Where'd she come from? Who was she?
Carrie: Virginia.
Gerry: Yeah. What did her dad do for a living?
Carrie: He was the maintenance guy at Mara Lago and she got a job as a towel girl, laundry.
Gerry: Oh yeah. Right after he got employee of the month. Yeah, Trump rewarding loyalty.
Krista: Totally tap that one there.
Gerry: All right. So mushroom cock time. Here we go. The antics of Jeffrey Epstein are the antics of Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell was the key, and her sister. And if you put them at the center of the story, then it changes your perspective on Epstein.
Carrie: It makes a lot more sense.
Becca: Yes. Can you walk us through this, Ger?
Gerry: Okay, cool. I believe that Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence asset. That doesn't mean they have any loyalty to him. Assets exist to be expended. Maxwell and her sister were the operators.
Carrie: Maxwell was his social access, social access to the old European upper-class.
Gerry: Remember her dad was a peer. She's got a lot of connections. Go through Jeffrey Epstein's phone book, the only thing missing are the Hapsburgs. I'm serious and well,
Carrie: They're extinct.
Gerry: No they're not, they just don't fuck other peoples’ children.
Carrie: They’ve got some minor house people left, but the main line didn't make it. Okay.
Gerry: Well, yeah, the main one didn't make it, but let's be honest. They only have sex with their own children.
Becca: Jeff's like, I need their number.
Carrie: Literally, they were so inbred that they were closer than brother and sister genetically throughout the lines all over that whole empire.
Gerry: The pedophilia thing is, was he was there to rope other people into it.
Krista: Was it for blackmail?
Gerry: Yes and no. It's blackmail insurance, essentially. So think of it this way. Let's talk about David Cameron, former Prime Minister of England. It comes out in the Daily Mail, a serialized thing that another lord paid to have written and paid the Daily Mail to publish that was all the dirt that this guy had on David Cameron. And it was one aristocrat pissed off at Cameron because he didn't get a government post that he wanted. So it comes out that David Cameron, while he was in college at a party full of 40 people, stuck his dick in a dead pigs mouth in the Daily Mail. This is news to you because nobody cared there. They’re the aristocrats, we know they're like that. Right. England didn't blink. It didn't bring down the government. Nobody wanted to talk about the other things that he did at Oxford that are in my mind sicker than a fraternity prank of, okay. Somebody bought a pig and you know, you whipped it out and, did your initiation thing at the party?
Krista: Tuesday night for probably my husband when he was that age.
Gerry: So he was part of an Oxford drinking club called the Bullingdon Club. One of the things that they had to do was trash a pub and pay for it. Cause that's legal in England. Another initiation thing that they had to do was in front of their boys, find a homeless person and burn a 100 pound note in front of them.
Becca: Oh, that's shitty.
Krista: That’s shitty shit.
Carrie: They're mean.
Gerry: Yeah. Right. And this is your, okay. You can be in the ruling class now. One of us, one of us. So Jeffrey, Epstein's got a private Island. He's got a bunch of 14, 13 and 14-year-old girls that are giving massages to his friends. There's cameras in the walls and there's disappeared footage. And all of Jeffrey Epstein's problems went away, you know, when he was convicted, it was of soliciting, not of actually having sex, just trying to have sex. Right.
Carrie: Prostitution, which a lot of the parents had a problem with. They're like my kid is under 18 and was not a prostitute.
Gerry: Now he did his jail time on weekends at the jail, and then he was on work release on his Island, the rest of the time. And the Palm Beach Police Athletic League after school program got a $50,000 donation from him.
Carrie: I heard that he also had that wing he was in refurbished and remodeled, and that no one could be in it while he was there.
Gerry: I've seen the $50,000 thing in his expense sheet and it's right below $50,000 given to Ghislaine Maxwell’s charity.
Becca: I think we can all agree the ocean is important.
Gerry: We can also all agree that people like Ghislaine Maxwell should not wear spandex on a stage.
Becca: So what, what's the deal with Christine?
Gerry: Okay. Christine Maxwell, the older Maxwell sister is a software genius. Okay. She wrote, and her area is big data. She wrote a program that was a search engine called Magellan. You know, it was a search engine that you can have in the early nineties until it got bought out by Excite. Then she sold her interest and started a company called Chilead, which then did big data fusion for the FBI's counter-terrorism database. At the time that she was working on the counter-terrorism database, her kid sister is out pimping underage girls to weird little old men like Alan Dershowitz.
Becca: So proud.
Gerry: Well, and Alan Dershowitz loves to threaten anybody with libel or slander if they say that he actually had sex with one of those girls.
Becca: It was just the tip.
Gerry: It's just a massage, but Alan Dershowitz will win that trial because of his legal specialty. He's a Harvard law professor because he is an expert in suppressing testimony and every time testimony gets suppressed by Alan Dershowitz it's in a crime of violence against women. Full stop. Started with the Chappaquiddick. You can either give that, I mean, like, literally look at the whole situation. You can either give that massage or we can have Ted Kennedy give you a ride home. That's what was going on there. And that keeps all these guys in bounds. That's what that for. Now, if somebody had been, [00:20:00] if Becca, for instance, your sister had a boyfriend who was convicted of crimes like that, you are not getting a security clearance necessary for you to take that contract for the FBI.
Becca: Dammit, Ariel.
Gerry: The whole point of denying people's security clearances for reasons like that is because they are vulnerable to blackmail. You lose the security clearance for being in debt. You lose a security clearance for having an affair. You lose the security clearance because they don't want a foreign power to be able to have any leverage on you. That's why you couldn't get a security clearance back in the day when you were gay. And now you can, because nobody cares.
Krista: They were all gay back then anyways, they just didn't say anything.
Gerry: Right. But, but if they knew, right, but if somebody knew, then you could be blackmailed. Anyway, that is my thesis on all my looking at Jeff Epstein. I started from the point of view of, okay, he's a millionaire weirdo connected to my local billionaire slash crime lord.
Becca: Oh yeah. Let's talk about Les, yeah. Let's talk about the boyfriend.
Gerry: Les Wexner. Okay. Where to start with Les Wexner. Les Wexner belongs to the mob and the CIA, period. I'll start with the mob. It's Les Wexner to Max Fisher to Bugsy Siegel. Do I have to go on? All right. Les Wexner started out, and they had compromised on him because he was gay running his mother's dress shop in downtown Columbus in the early sixties. They got an in with them and they used him as the bank. That was what they had on him, a way to launder money. He was good. His business prospered. Things went well. Through examining Epstein, I discovered that it is entirely probable that Les Wexner has a hand in smuggling heroin into Ohio. How deep do you want it? I mean like the shit needs whiteboard.
Becca: Yeah we need like a little animation of a flow chart.
Gerry: I went through Epstein's a phone book and I said, okay, what do you got in Columbus? Who do you know around here? In other words, who am I going to, whose house am I showing up at to play uncomfortable question time?
Becca: In the Chewbacca slippers.
Gerry: No, no, that's no, that's the boots job. I will actually get out the boots for that shit. You know, you might opt to neutralize the century or five.
Becca: Boots or Chewbacca slippers.
Gerry: Yeah, no, I don't feel very century neutralizing in Chewbacca slippers. Anyway. I noticed that before his private jet, he used an FBO. That is a fixed based operation called Wayne Aviation at Rickenbacker International Airport. The instant I saw a Rickenbacker I was happy. I was like, cause now we're in local reporters’ dreamworld. Rickenbacker is Columbus's other international airport. It's not the main airport. It's an international airport, but it used to be an Air Force base. It's now a mostly cargo airport. And nobody's paying taxes on it and sweetheart municipal bond funded deal. And I'm like, Oh yeah. Cause you know, I figure I'm actually gonna go after a local politician on this. This will get me a little bit deeper on the Rickenbacker thing. But then I looked at, I said, okay, what's the history of, let's find out about Wayne Aviation in this FBO. And I noticed that two things happened since Jeffrey Epstein's a little black book became a thing. One, Wayne Aviation actually went through some certifications and got their own customs agents. So the they've got a customs agent that's a federal agent whose job is to check things through customs privately in their private air terminal. Okay. After that, they formed a partnership with Landmark Aviation and then sold it to them.
Landmark Aviation is the CIA proprietary full-stop. They provided the logistical support for the extraordinary rendition flights, the so-called torture taxi. After they got found out by English and Irish, and then eventually every European journalist they got shut down, disassembled, put into trusteeship and then put back together. The trustees of Landmark Aviation were Senate former Senator Bob Kerrey. You know, the one-legged Democrat from Nebraska who used to be a Navy Seal when Vietnam doing, you know, doing his part in the Phoenix assassination program in late sixties and early seventies until he got his leg blown off with a grenade. Yeah, there was also something that one of his former Seals wrote about him that he was not actually good at combat and that he needed help from two other Navy Seals and about 12 minutes to, you know, murder a 90-year-old Vietnamese man with a knife quietly in his hut. He couldn’t assassinate everybody else in the village.
That guy was a trustee. The CIA is not here anymore, but that guy was a trustee and Doug Sac, former comptroller of the Pentagon, and James Schlesinger, former Secretary of Defense, former head of the CIA. He was Carter's secretary of energy too. So that, putting it under the stewardship of those guys made Landmark Aviation, somehow not the CIA anymore.
Becca: We’re definitely not the same.
Gerry: But that's where Jeff Epstein parks his airplane when he's in Columbus.
Becca: Cause he's definitely not the CIA.
Gerry: Now if I was flying into Rickenbacker, okay, and I was flying a Cargo 747 I need somewhere for to park once I landed. There's only one FBO at Rickenbacker are big enough to handle a 747 and that's the Landmark Aviation facility. That 747 there was a 747 that at the time that I wrote the article, I haven't checked since, arrives there for Les Wexner, carrying ladies underwear direct from Hong Kong every Tuesday in the middle of the afternoon.
Krista: It's a lot of underwear.
Becca: How much underwear?
Krista: I don't know many people that wear underwear. So why do we need that much underwear?
Becca: I don't wear underwear.
Gerry: Well, it gets shipped direct to all the Victoria's secrets outlets from there. Okay. On a trucking company that has been cited as an asset of the Gambino and DeBartolo crime families out of New York and Pittsburgh, like as in that was in federal court. They're based in New Jersey, but they handle 70% of all of L Brands over the road of trucking traffic. So the plane belongs to Evergreen Air Transport, which is a CIA proprietary. They bought up Southern Air Transport, which, you know, did the drug smuggling out of Vietnam, did all the smuggling into Nicaragua during the Contra thing, that guy that got shot down in 1986 and started the whole deal, Southern Air Transport on his pilots ID on Nicaraguan television. Not only didn't he not take the cyanide capsule, he didn't even burn his ID dumb ass. Yeah, yours too, Eugene Hasenfuss. Eat the cyanide capsule, moron. Anyway,what, wait, what do you mean you're not about to be captured and you're just at a barbecue with your family? I said, eat the cyanide capsule. You fuck.
You've got all this and Jeffrey Epstein in the middle of it. The only way to prove that there's heroin on the airplane is to make it crash. If somebody were to take a high powered rifle and blow a hole in the front tire and make it do a belly flop on landing and just spill a bunch of smack all over the runway. That'd do it, but I don't have that rifle. Somebody else will have to figure it out someday.
Carrie: It provides cover for a lot of operations.
Gerry: It keeps people in bounds. You know, you're just going to do this. You know, it's just like on Les Wexner end all he asked to do is hire the subcontractors he's told to hire and make a profit. They bill them a fair price and everything's normal. Except, half that airplane is not ladies' underwear.
Becca: So if we've got this fucked up wad of people doing fucked up things, we've got a Ghislaine Maxwell’s sister and Ghislaine Maxwell in the intelligence community, her freaky friend, Jeffrey. Yes,of course that bitch's name is Ghislaine. So you got them and they're freaky friend Jeff who's rich and really good at, son artistry and manipulating people being their intelligence asset. And then you've got Alcor and Peter Thiel, and then you've got like all these billionaires that are running around everywhere, like drinking blood, trying to live forever. There's a big picture, that's very clear, but there's all these douchey moving parts, running all over the place.
Gerry: Right.
Becca: And then, yeah.
Gerry: And, and I mean, like some of these douchey moving parts are so douchey that like they could oosh their way right into the Manford Mann's Earth Band. I mean, oosh.
Krista: We got to start using it.
Gerry: You know, that's not the original word in the [00:30:00] song before you know, that miserable hack, you know, the worst thing to happen to the music industry ever. A, wait, Lenny Kravitz says, hold my beer. Okay.
Krista: Oh goodness.
Gerry: Talking about, yeah. Talking about a little unearned privilege there.
Carrie: Did Jeffrey Epstein killed himself? What do you think?
Gerry: I don't know. I mean maybe, maybe because he believed hahaha I’ll live forever. Right? I mean, here's the thing. He killed himself after a four-hour meeting with his attorney. They had a lot to discuss.
Krista: I don't think he killed himself. I don't even think he's really dead because that Friday, the international borders where they do the facial recognitions on both sides of the water went down. So they were entering people by hand instead of using their computers so he could have just walked right through and got on a fucking plane. And he is somewhere just chilling.
Becca: Didn’t Ghislaine Maxwell's dad died from like a unfortunate boating accident?
Gerry: Oh, yeah. She went to the, Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Lord Maxwell was a member of the Natalie Wood and a Rudolph Diesel was swimming club. He fell off his yacht. While, while, she and Jeff Epstein were on it.
Carrie: He was known for peeing off that boat. Everyone knew he did it. So all I'd have to do is follow him when he was drunk.
Gerry: Oh yeah. The Rudolph Diesel swimming club.
Becca: Nibbled to death by sea turtles.
Gerry: Right. Well, maybe they coated them in chocolate because chocolate is an octave of sunshine. Yeah. Now he definitely had an involvement with the intelligence community in the past. Mostly on the British and Israeli sides and mostly related to arms smuggling. When you bring the intelligence community into anything Epstein or Wexner because of American antisemitism everybody wants to scream, Mossad, Mossad, Mossad, Mossad, Israel, Mossad, Mossad, Mossad. Now don't get me wrong, the Mossad will do anything that they decide helps Israel, but I don't think they were driving. I think it was Anglo-American intelligence. And anytime that you have somebody that investigates it because they're either an open or closet anti-Semite they want to zero in on Israel and they don't want to look at the fact that these people are from the British ruling class, right. Or they'll immediately cling to the Jewishness of anybody that they can touch there. For instance, if you were to take Jeff Epstein's phone book, and go to New York and go to the address listing that says Ghislaine Maxwell, apartment four models, gee, I wonder where the girls were. Well, ask yourself the question, who owns the apartment building? And that would be a woman originally from Tenafly, New Jersey. Her name is Lynn Forester. Well, that's her maiden name. And she was a billionaire, is a billionaire. Her husband is Lord Evelyn de Rothschild, right. Literally Ghislaine Maxwell's landlord in the building that the models work, models where kept in owns the frigging Economist. Owns it. The first time that Prince Andy's antics got out of control, they had a meet and greet, right to try and rehabilitate and plan press strategy that was set up by Ghislaine Maxwell. She was the fixer. Yeah, it's in my article, The Purification of the Prince.
Becca: Priest Ghislaine, like throwing holy water on him.
Gerry: No, Priestess Barbara Walters.
Becca: Oh. And Andrew's like, I've changed my ways.
Gerry: The church was Rupert Murdoch's Florida home. Right. This is not…For Epstein it was the source of models straight up. He was there to go after, you know, the skinny bucks in Victoria's Secret panties. It's the - his phone book is very biased towards the fashion world. We could talk about his phone book, all we want, and speculate, you know, that some names have circles, some names have stars, some names have circles and stars. Some don't have anything. The guy who put the circles and stars in his dead so we have no way of knowing what means what, so some people's names are circled and some people's names are not. For instance, Simon Le Bon from Duran Duran is in there. And so is every Jagger. All of them.
Becca: Courtney Love!
Gerry: But Courtney Love's name is circled. Don't know what it means, but I can't help but notice that her name is circled when other peoples were not.
Becca: He's like she gets me, she gets me.
Gerry: One of these things is not like the other one…
Becca: I call Courtney Love when I need to talk, says Jeff to himself alone.
Gerry: Ghislaine is bothering me, I’ll call Courtney.
Becca: Oh, speaking of Ghislaine, what's your read on the whole sitch with her arrest, testimony, all of that.
Gerry: I think the judge is going to do what the judge has been told to do. Okay. Remember I said, let's roll back to that hacker friend of mine.
Becca: Oh yeah.
Gerry: Oh yeah. Let's talk about the judge in both cases. And that would be Judge, Federal Judge Laura Prescott. She is intelligence community connected period. As in Jeremy Hammond was convicted of breaking into a number of things, but one of them was called this thing called Strategic Forecasting, Strat Fore, for joy.
Becca: Jeremy Hammond for those of you listening was the friend that was in the tombs.
Gerry: Right. Now it was arrested in Chicago, but they charged him in Manhattan. They could have charged him anywhere and normally when you have an intelligence community case, they charge you in the Eastern District of Virginia, that's where all the good that's where all the CIA's best judges are. You know, if they want to try a case and try it there. However, they took this in the Southern District of Manhattan, put it in front of Laura Prescott. Strat Fore is a private CIA. You give them 10, $20,000 a year, and then you receive daily, weekly, monthly briefings on stuff that are near-classified or as close to classified as you can get. Right. What Jeremy stole and then published through Barrett Brown was the client's list. Who's paying these guys. Strat Fore was involved, was tied to Peter Theil also through the team Themis subplot of that, which you can dig on in my book. That would be My Netwar Diaries, Volume One: Post-Constitutional America. But the judge’s husband was a Strat Fore clients. His credit card information got released. Her husband was a victim in a crime that she tried when she was asked to recuse herself. She said, no, because this defendant is just going to try to recuse quote, unquote, every judge in America and just jammed him up. Okay.
I'm going to put it out there. I think she is reliable asset and they will get the outcome that they want out of. I think that Ghislaine Maxwell, if they can find a way to make her go away without much fanfare she will quietly fade off into the distance. Her mission is accomplished. She's done. You know, all the recordings of all the things are always going to be there. They're not going to get any more.
Becca: Because no one wants to party with Ghislaine anymore.
Gerry: I'm sure that somebody out there does, but well…
Becca: Prince Andrew would.
Gerry: I'm sure somebody out there does. I mean, all this didn't stop her from being at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.
Becca: Man, I do love kind of how the Clintons aren’t in his phone book and Jeff's phone that cause they were probably like, nah, dude, we'll call you.
Gerry: Remember, Forester and Hillary are buds. Let's just say she was real helpful with Chelsea's wedding. And there was a picture on my website of Ghislaine Maxwell, sticking her head into the aisle and smiling as Bill is walking Chelsea down the aisle.
Becca: She's all like staring and Chelsea's butt after the picture, before the picture?
Gerry: I don't know what the website look at the picture. You tell me.
Becca: Okay let's see it's Ghislaine Maxwell staring at Chelsea's butt?
Gerry: I conveniently circled her head in red. I don't remember. I wasn't looking at her eyes. I was just sitting there circling her head and red for the picture and going, gotcha.
Becca: Oh, she's not searing at her butt, but it looked like she just glanced away.
Gerry: Yup. Well, you know, you get what you can get. You get what you can get, but anyway, yeah, you get these people through the Society Pages, that's what's going on here is Jeffrey Epstein was the asset. If you roll back and look at my stuff on Lady [00:40:00] Dudley, which was a party that quite a few people in the Jeff Epstein book were at, there was a party for a Lord in Canada. If you would ever been in the sex scandal, you do not want to be in that room. Right. And there was somebody. And that would be Lady Dudley who was involved in the, I believe it was 1963 Profumo Affair that, brought down. Ah, Carrie Anne. I see you recognize when I said Profumo Affair.
Carrie: Yeah.
Gerry: There was a man wh, ohe looks like an intelligence asset to me. He had been a soldier in World War II. He was assigned to the Royal Army Air Corps and then posted to Burma. That jungle, where they're not using tanks. Where he did a whole bunch of nothing for all the World War II, then came back and had basically a bunch of sex workers living in his house. Okay. They were go-go dancers, but that's all. I don't know where the hemline is on that one in 1963 in England.
Carrie: He was in a plot to entrap a Soviet diplomat with one of his girls.
Gerry: Unfortunately at the party an important British minister, I believe it was the defense minister, hooked up with the girl that they were supposed to be aiming at the Russian diplomat. Okay. Would have been a wash except the girl had a boyfriend who eventually, that she broke up with, but got back together with, but he pulled out a gun and shot up the other boyfriend's house. And everybody started to notice and the government went boom. And then this guy gets a visit from two of his friends the day before sentencing and dies of a barbiturate overdose.
Becca: And definitely didn't end up with a frozen head.
Gerry: No frozen had for him. Right. But he had multiple convictions of living off of the income of a prostitute. Right.
Becca: Yeah. And see all of this, blackmail, the pedophilia that's fucked up and the stuff that happened at Epstein's watch is fucked up, but a lot of it's we're so fucking prude it's too easy to blackmail. So I'm like, let me know if it's like a pee tape, it’s like hell yeah, I got peed on, I don't care, whatever. Or that shit that went down where England didn't blink.
Gerry: This is different. This is the government exploiting children to control its own key members. I mean, can I borrow your daughter for national security? You'll be employee of the month.
Becca: That is fucked up.
Carrie: That's exploitation.
Gerry: Well, yeah, and it's not like there is some greater good come out of this. What do we got? We got heroin smuggling and heads and jars.
Becca: It's some weird time traveler shit. They're like, trust us. It's for the greater good. We won't find out for like 200 years, but it’s real bad back there. It's going to be okay.
Gerry: Or, and why did people go? Now, if you want to look at Ghislaine Maxwell and Peter Thiel and their angle with their whole freedom of the seas thing, I believe that Peter Thiel wants to create a floating city so that he can have a floating city-state so that he can have extra territoriality.
Becca: And can you explain again how Peter Thiel ties into all of this?
Gerry: Well, let's see, one, he was part of the Palantir, his security company, which has recently made its IPO, was straight up, started with CIA money. This is not a secret. He took over the FBI's counter-terrorism database from - his company took that over from Christine Maxwell. Also, if you look at the contents of some of the other stuff that Jeremy Hammond released, there was something called Team Themis, which was one company HB Gary trying to put together Palantir and another company in a data mining and spying project to spy on activists for the United States Chamber of Commerce and to get compromising material on them. And those activists included Occupy Wall street people and actually Glenn Greenwald.
But Palantir was like, nah, sorry, not into it. In other words, the check isn't big enough, piss off like straight up. This is what it came down to. He was like, you guys are B league and check isn't big enough.
Carrie: Do you think Peter has an obsession with Lord of the Rings?
Gerry: Peter Thiel’s obsession with the Lord of the Rings, because he names every company that he's starting up after something from the Lord of the Rings, you know, he's got another one called Elendil - Elendil. And then he's got Palantir, which is the Seeing Stone with Sauron's eyeball in it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that’s what this man thinks of himself.
Becca: He's like, I am Frodo. I am.
Gerry: Oh no, he’s, I am Sauron. He’s the eyeball.
Becca: That’s maybe why he's getting all into psilocybin these days. Which is shady - MAPS working with Peter Thiel on like psilocybin research that screams psyops to me. It's kind of rule number one don't trip with douche bags or don't trip with people that are manipulative or trying to pull one over on you that’s Peter Thiel.
Gerry: Or, or think of it this way. Say I know somebody who's a Russian spy. Or a spy, right?Do I kill them? No,I'll just give them a bunch of LSD and a bunch of ketamine take them to a hotel room and have somebody comb their hair for 48 hours. What did I get? I get what I don't, I don't. And then, I’ll let them go.
Becca: That sounds lovely, having your head pet for like 48 hours, like tripping.
Gerry: Yeah. You'll relax.
Carrie: Ooh. Let's go.
Gerry: You'll relax and not care and talk. And some stuff will come out. They'll just record it all. Doesn't matter. They don't need no pictures up. They don't need no nothing. Yeah. Now watch, then they just let you go. And then you got to explain to your boss where you were for 48 hours and you don't remember.
Becca: I feel like I’d remember that. That sounds, that sounds great.
Gerry: Well, you know what I mean? Like you've got a fuzzy memory cause you had a head full of LSD and ketamine. And you know, for 48 hours, there's a whole missing block of time. That's a blur. Kremlin want to know where the microfilm is, ass wipe. But they don't have to kill…
Becca: I don’t remember which dimension I left the microfilm in, don’t fucking ask me questions about where shit is when I'm on ketamine and acid. Like that's not gonna work.
Carrie: Krista, just tell them they were at the Hilton instead of just at a Super Eight, you would suggest.
Gerry: I mean, the thing is, is you don't account for your time in that kind of in that kind of operation. They're going to think that you were flipped, and they're going to fucking kill you. You’re going out the chimney in the KGB headquarters. Cause that's how you, that's how you weave that intelligence agency through the chimney. Roman choices. If you're a good intelligence agent, you're dead when they put you in the oven. If you weren't, you ain’t. That's how it goes.
Becca: What's the worst outcome of this case? What is the worst outcome of the Ghislaine Maxwell case?
Krista: What's the worst case for her? What's the worst case for the general public, I guess if she's…
Gerry: The worst case for the general public, is, is it goes away,right? The worst case for, I mean like, are we going to bring down an intelligence agency and a 30-year operation over, over Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein? No, we're not. Okay. You're going to go stand in the corner, face the flag and sing God bless America until we tell you to stop. That's all that's going to happen because foreign terrorists or something, you know? We'll put a picture of 9/11 on the screen and say, and that's why we have to fuck little kids.
Becca: M’erica.
Krista: M’erica. What do you think the chances of her killing herself in her cell are?
Gerry: Rather low.
Krista: So you don't think they'll off her?
Gerry: No.
Krista: No. Why? What does she have for them to not want to off her?
Gerry: Going second. If they want this to go away, they want it to go away in a way that doesn't generate more interest or more questions. Okay. Her committing suicide is a non-starter. Shanked by another inmate who’s shot, that's something.
Carrie: That could work.
Gerry: Right? Shanked as a chomo, maybe. Right. I think this is going to go away one way or another. And I think that Laura Prescott is the key.
Krista: Do you think Maxwell and Epstein had a handler relationship or a lover relationship or were they like each other's beards in some situations too?
Gerry: All of the above.
Krista: Okay.
Becca: You're everything to me, Jeff.
Gerry: I mean like, gee, if you were a handler how would you [00:50:00] control Jeff Epstein?
Becca: By his balls.
Krista: Apparently with eggs.
Gerry: With an egg. Right.
Becca: The special egg.
Gerry: And apparently she was eating egg like Baby Yoda.
Krista: Oh, that episode is kind of boring. Not going to lie except for the egg eating.
Gerry: Ah, too soon, too soon.
Krista: No, not at all.
Becca: And then do you want to tie it back around to Alcor? I think it was Krista's last question. Do you believe that maybe a group of super elite that are looking for a cure to aging and doing so they are some kind of energy vampires that need children around to keep them young? Sorry. I had to go there.
Krista: But energy. Cause I know my children, if I could suck the energy that they take from me, I would be amazing every single day.
Gerry: I don't know. Let's just say that. As somebody who's a little stuck in the hard sciences I don't think that I could speak intelligently to energy vampire, but do they need to prey on young children? Yes.
Krista: They're malleable. They're easy. They're trainable. They're…
Gerry: Well, it's more than that. It's because it's horrible and forbidden and that's what makes them feel like gods that they can do and get away with.
Krista: Or make them feel like the Greek, or the Roman…
Gerry: Whatever images…
Krista: That just seems to be a theme that I've seen throughout history. That is just like, what the hell.
Gerry: Because it's forbidden because it's wrong because you prove it - getting away with it proves that you are better than everyone else. And these are the people that run our lives. Right. And we shouldn't forget, we shouldn't forget who and what they are. Now, energy vampire. Well, they're sucking the life out of the whole frigging planet.
Krista: Yeah. In more, so many ways. That's ridiculous.
Becca: That is interesting that the chase for eternal life is bringing them to that.You know, places like Alcor that so many, you know, billionaires are like investing in and participating in. And what was the other one? Humanity Plus.
Gerry: Humanity Plus is basically a nonprofit that's there to do a lot of work for Alcor. Right.
Becca: But it is so interesting that this quest for eternal life, in the face of just being terrible fucking people. You can get away with anything on earth except for dying. Like you can't, can't get out of that. And I think it's just fascinating this obsession with grasping at bullshit science to escape, you know, just the one thing that makes them human compared to the rest of us.
Gerry: Hmm. But you look at the people that are like - you don't see Ghislaine Maxwell actually being an Alcor client, just Jeff Epstein. All the people that I know of that are our core clients are first generation rich people.
Becca: Oh, interesting.
Gerry: Right?
Krista: Right. So not the long legacies, not the family.
Gerry: They have no, they have no legacy to preserve aside from themselves. Not in that. These are people that are not invested in their own family, in their own legacy. These are people, they want to take it with them because there ain't nothing left behind them when they died with junk bonds.
Becca: Because there's no - their legacy is immortality, leaving the line and a legacy behind is a way of living.
Gerry: And also look at, look at where these people made their money: software. Okay. Software has an expiration date. These are not people that are invested in primary production. These are not magnets of agriculture. These are, this is not Andrew Carnegie. They don't make steel. Alcor clients don't make steel. All of their money comes from projects that are products that are intangibles.
Becca: And they'll become obsolete.
Carrie: And that’s the culture you're dealing with here. That is its own organism.
Gerry: And then look at Max Moore and Natasha Vita-Moore at the center of this Humanity Plus-Alcor axis. They're just there to be boosters. They're their own people. They didn't come from anywhere. They just, and what are they and what are they movement that they're trying to push it through a counter-cultural movement called transhumanism, where people who want to transcend being human. Rings a lot, even in ancient Rome, when the general came back and had the triumph, there was somebody on the chariot right behind him, whispering in his ear, you are just a man. You were just a man. You were just a man. They don't want to hear that. They don't, you know, they want to meet you they're way to fricking Eternity.
Carrie: That's the basic, yeah. And so it's not an elite cabal that's like all joined together and everybody on the same page. I, I suspect no one's on the same page. There's groups that have connections. Yes. But it's not a deep history thing going back a thousand years.
Gerry: These are some seriously damaged human beings. I wouldn't care to write about weird-ass Alcor at all, except that it touched Ghislaine Maxwell and Peter Thiel. You know, and because of, I care about what are these people's effects on society.
Becca: What would you say that that is?
Gerry: They make it so that if there was somebody somewhere in the government that actually wanted to say anything about the covert operations and keep an insanely unjust system in power, if anybody actually wanted to talk honestly about war crimes, best have been a good boy the whole time. Don't be in the wrong room with the wrong people. So all they have to do is seat that room with enough wrong people and, a couple of new rich millionaires, loose association of millionaires and billionaires and baby. You know, you get a couple of those guys in the mix and boom. Now you've got a party that nobody should have been at, and there's a CIA asset in the room making sure that you have a nice, good, long drink out of the Punchbowl. What's the punchbowl spiked with? Everything.
Carrie: Do not drink out of the punchbowl!
Krista: Essentially is just like an elaborate scheme one, because they're rich, bored, and trying to figure out how to live forever and want the forbidden fruit, and two to blackmail people to get the things that they want so that they continue to be weirdos.
Gerry: There are some people that are not weirdos, but they're still sick power - There are people out there that are, I’m sorry, but they should not be allowed to make decisions for other people's lives. Especially not at that level. However,you have control over anything that you can get on anybody and you can have a nice little Game of Thrones kind of afternoon if anybody gets out of line. Notice when the Snowden revelations happened. Right? Two things happened real quick. One, Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post and they stopped carrying it. And we can talk about the CIA's role in that and then Senator Wyden’s brother goes hiking somewhere in the Rockies and dies. Oops.Number two democrat on the committee on the, on the committee, on the intelligence committee, his brother goes for a hike in the Rockies and goes missing and is dead. You know, knowing the name, Edward Snowden. Yeah. Think somebody's got something explained to them real good? That's what happens when you don't fuck the little kids.
Krista: Yeah, I suppose it's like an ultimatum, I guess.
Gerry: I mean,Becca might've heard me say this before, but I'm going to key you in a little thing that I'm very fond of saying: there is no such thing as coincidence. Because if bad things keep happening and you're going to call it coincidence, then obviously God hates you. So either God hates youor somebody is up to some shit.Take your pick.
Krista: I, I always say someone's up to some shit, right? A nefarity. I don't know if that's a word, but it's not. I made it a word
Becca: It's a great word. If it's not a word I'm keeping it and I'm using it for Scrabble, right?
Gerry: If I do a nefarity while dressed up as a ballerina, is my outfit a nefartu-tu?
Krista: Yes.
Gerry: One of the problems with covering Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell is there is no neat summary and there is not a story. There's a series of events and you look at it and you can see the way that it's working, because you know, mean, I already looked at the intelligence community for years. Right. You know how you know how this stuff works. Alright. And it doesn't make for a good [01:00:00] book because there's no linear narrative and that's a problem. And so like when I'm talking to people about it, I get a smattering of questions, not a criticism, but they all don't get to it. They all get around it because it's not a story. It's a series of snapshots of the way things are because Jeff Epstein fucked up so colossally bad that he got caught. Right. And they were stuck with him and they were stuck with them and stuck with it. Right. They had to keep him in playfor the last, what 15 years. Were they going to get more compromising information out of that? Not as much, if any. I wouldn't go past that guy's house after he got killed. Then again, I wouldn't go past that guy's house except with the flame thrower.
Becca: The slow roll, slowly by with the flame thrower.
Gerry: Remember at the bottom of half of my stories are primary documents, source material. Read the source material. Go find your own stories in there. There's enough. There's 94 pages of Jeff Epstein’s phone book, 94 pages of names.
Becca: Oh my God. Can we just see what episode where we prank call people in Jeffrey Epstein's phonebook?
Gerry: Some of the numbers deleted and the numbers are a little old. I doubt you'll get them, but…
Krista: Hey, somebody is going to answer and they recycle numbers.
Becca: We don't give a shit. Landlines. I'm sure a bunch of them are like landlines from the eighties and nineties and shit.
Krista: My mom was able to get her landline transferred personal cell phone.
Gerry: People do that. The existence of Jeffrey Epstein's phone book and the flight logs, which are useless, useless, useless, useless are the story. Everybody knows everything about Edward Snowden's motivations in history and that and this and the other thing and whether or not his girlfriend was a good stripper or whatever. And they talk about whether or not he's a Russian spy or this or that, or the other thing nobody engages with the actual material.
Becca: Well, it's just like everything’s written off as a conspiracy until like, it's obviously true, like the Data Transfer Project or any of the Landmark Aviation. It's when you break the story first, you really risk being…
Gerry: Ignored.
Becca: Ignored. Totally because you know, the first, the best way to suppress or silence is to ignore. The second-best way is to be like, oh, it's a debunked conspiracy, even though like it's not a debunked conspiracy. And then a while later, once everyone's been desensitized to it, it's like, oh yeah, that's been true for years.
Gerry: Well, you just normalize it through other channels. You know, just like people are like, don't you worry that the CIA is going to come kill you? No. Nope. Not in the least, not worried at all.
Krista: Not on a regular basis.
Gerry: Yeah. No, not going to happen.
Carrie: Tell us why, Gerry.
Gerry: Then somebody might read my shit if I wound up with a bad case of windshield poisoning.
Becca: 13th floor, baby. Gerry Bello, thank you so much for talking with us.
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