Bobby Kent Murder Exclusive: First Interview with Marty Puccio and Megan Marty

Our oracle Krista did it.  She connected with Megan Marty, daughter of the Bully killers Lisa Connelly and Marty Puccio on TikTok.  Megan agreed to talk to us and while she was on the line Marty called from prison to give us his very first voice interview.  Somehow, we weren't speechless.

Marty Puccio had been savagely bullied by Bobby Kent for years including physical, psychological, and sexual abuse.  While the two appeared to be best friends, there was a deep dark side, one in which Marty was held hostage to this friendship that few saw...until Marty's girlfriend Lisa Connelly and her best friend Allie Willis learned the hard way.  After abuse, rape, death threats, and more from Bobby, the three and their accomplices decided he had to die, and he did.  

The young and traumatized Marty Puccio was sentenced to death and spent two years on death row, before his sentence was commuted to life in prison with the opportunity for parole.  While he and Lisa were in prison, their daughter, Megan was born.  When she was five shortly before the film "Bully" came out, she learned the truth about her life and her parents.

Join the CrimeJuicy Gang for our interview with the resilient, accomplished, and hilarious Megan Marty and her father, Marty Puccio, from prison.

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Transcript

Bobby Kent Murder Exclusive: First Interview with Marty Puccio and Megan Marty

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Carrie Anne:  Welcome to the CrimeJuicy podcast. I'm Carrie Anne 

Krista: I'm Krista 

Becca: and I'm Becca. With us is TikToker, insurance broker, 

Carrie Anne: Daughter of two killers 

Krista: Let’s not forget wife, cause that's important too. 

Becca: Mom and general do-gooder Megan Puccio. Do-gooder, motivational speaker. 

Megan: Oh gosh. Hi. Hi everyone. 

Krista: Being a wife is awesome. Being a mother is awesome. 

Megan: I love washing everyone's underwear. It's so much fun. 

Becca: I did my husband's laundry. So I just put in a red shirt with all of his clothes once I have never had to do his laundry again.

Megan: So wait, you want to know, I'll be so honest with you guys. This is where I'm at with laundry right now. I got to the point where I stopped doing laundry for like, I want to say a week and a half. I just didn't want to do it simply. And I got so backed up, I was like, okay, I'm just going to do it all today.  But then that requires folding it all. Oh my gosh. My dad. 

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Megan: Hey dad. Hey. Hey, I'm doing the interview thing right now. 

Krista:  Hi, Marty. I'm Krista.  A lot of things that weren't taken into account for what happened to you? I have some choice words. I'm probably shouldn't say them because it's being recorded on your and end, but a free Marty!

Megan: Free Marty.

Becca: In general it sheds light on how absurd prison sentences are in the United States and how it's not. 

Carrie Anne: Okay so you initially received the death penalty, correct? Marty, how did you get that…

Marty: The Florida Supreme court ruled that it was unconstitutional to send me to death while the others who were possibly more culpable got reduced sentences, less of a penalty than death, obviously. 

Krista: They did that just because they're, oh, how could someone do that to their best friend? Dude, I wasn't his best friend. No, he made me be his friend. 

Becca: Two years though. Before the reduced sentence, must've been hell.  What were those two years before the reduced sentence like?

Megan: I didn't think you could hear her question. They asked they asked what the first two years of your sentence was like before they reduced you down from off the death penalty,

Marty:  Finding things to occupy my time, doing a lot of reading,

Megan: Like emotionally, I think because, you know, I was born. 

Marty:  Emotionally? I mean, I was raised in a, I guess a time period where men were just told to bite the bullet, you know, toughen up, deal with it. And so you don't always feel like doing that, but that's where I was emotionally just trying to - my circumstances without going crazy

Carrie Anne: When you got the reduced sentence, how relieved were you?

Marty: A combination of relief and disappointment, because I was really hoping for a new trial because my first trial was such a sham. I was being defended by __________.  They really didn't know what they were doing. And one of the guys, I had co-counsel. Well, I had two people representing me.  One to never done a murder trial before he was coming to the trial drunk all the time.  I smelled alcohol. I smelled very strong alcohol on his breath. So whether he could handle his liquor or not, I can't say, but he definitely smelled like alcohol. 

Becca: What a shit show. So you're like lawyer’s showing up drunk. The I know the urban psychosis thing I heard about. The whole trying to spin to the media that the urban psychosis just terrible idea.

Carrie Anne:  So where in this was Megan born?

Megan:  That was in 1994. And the murder took place in July, 1993, so when they were already in prison.

Marty:  We were in the county jail from the time I got arrested.

Becca: So when did you meet your daughter for the first time, Marty?

Marty:  I was able to have a special visit with her when she was six months old.  I was able to hold her until she started bawling like a banshee. I handed her back to my mother. I just watched her across the table. We got to spend a half an hour together when she was six months old, and then once she was 10 years old after that.

Megan:  There was a 10-year gap where you know, I didn’t get to see him.

Krista: What about the movie? One night we, my husband were laying in bed and I am blind as a bat without my glasses, and we're going through Netflix. There was a couple, there was one Nicholas Cage movie that popped up and I'm squinting my eyes, and,  “I'm is that Nicholas Cage?” And the next four movies I'm, is that Nicholas Cage?  Now my husband just randomly will be oh, hey, look at that. Is that Nicholas Cage?

Carrie Anne: He would do a good job, Marty. I think he could play you good. 

Krista: Oh yeah. 

Marty: Well, I'd say that in humor, but I have a lot of people coming up to me. You know what I'm saying? Has anybody ever told you, you look like Nicholas - 

Krista: No, so do you think Nicholas Cage should have played you, Marty?  Good choice. He's great. 

Marty: No, I was just saying that in humor.  I've never seen the movie. What I’ve heard of it, it's off quite a bit.  It would be really hard to capture mental, emotional and physical trauma in the back and forth that was going on in my mind from a teenager's perspective on how to deal with that kind of abuse.  Yeah. And so, you know, I don't know if anybody could actually capture that. I can't even relate it. It's hard for me to even explain it. You know, when I tried to explain to her the emotional, emotional turmoil that I was going through, you know, I was, I had suicidal thoughts for quite some time because I had no clue on how to deal with somebody who was so violent and so obsessed with me who was always portrayed to be the good guy, you know, by adults. You know, he punched the girl in the face, in high school and the girl didn't know him, but she knew me. So I got called to the Dean's office and they said, okay, who punched her? And I wouldn’t tell on him and then pick them out of the yearbook anyhow. So they suspended him for three days and suspended me for 10 days for not telling.  That's really how it would unfold a lot when we got in trouble.  He would always get the lighter and the sick. And to me that just showed that he manipulated so well, and he talked so well at that point time that it would be hard for me to convince people that it was actually happening and it was actually a severe.  It was.  I felt like I was living in a horror movie. 

Krista: That brings me to the question of, from what we hear and have heard about Bobby, do you think that no matter what, he would have been just a flat out predator?

Marty:  Do I think there was a time when he was not a predator?

Krista: Do you think he would have been somebody like a Jeffrey Dahmer, an Ed Kemper, somebody that no matter what would have been able to see somebody is vulnerable enough that they're going to do whatever I say.

Marty:  It's hard to decide if somebody will go through a life experience that makes them change or not, but I'll tell you this: we watched a movie when we were in our teens.  The movie where Sally Fields goes to Iran with her husband and he keeps her there as a hostage with her daughter. And she's trying to escape the whole movie from Iran.  And he being of the Iranian heritage thought that it would be cool if he could do such a thing, find a woman in America and then move to Iran with her so he could beat her, treat her however he wants, and she can't get away.  That was his mentality as a teenager.

Megan: When Allie did break away from Bobby -  

Carrie Anne: Allie - Alice Willis. 

Megan: because Allie was raped by Bobby.  When she did break away from Bobby, Bobby told not only my dad, but my mom too, if Allie did not come back to him, he was going to kill her and her one-year-old daughter. 

Becca: It's always said the most dangerous part about being in an abusive relationship is when you will leave the abusive relationship.  How that initial period of believing is actually the most fatal, most dangerous part of it.

Megan: Well, my dad did leave at one point. I don't know if you want to talk about that, Dad, when you moved…

Marty:  Well, it's actually us getting arrested together and he was, he was blaming me for being arrested. And so in the holding cell, he just kept on telling me, you're dead when we get outta here, you're dead. When we get out of here - and he just kept on repeating it. And so when my parents did come to pick me up, I told them I have to get out of town immediately.  When they questioned me about it, I just told them my life is in danger. I need to leave. And so they sent me to upstate New York to live with my aunt for a little bit. And when I came back to visit for Christmas, about four months later he had acted like he had moved on and wasn't gonna mess with me anymore. So I came back in January and it didn’t immediately start again.  But within two or three months, he was right - we were right back where we left off.

Carrie Anne: Can you describe a typical day with Bobby?

Marty:  It was a lot of being ordered around to do this, do that, get smacked around when it didn’t turn out the way he wanted he hit me in the temple. Normally, he normally tried to do things that wouldn't leave marks. They were happening so often so my mother always, she knew the marks, which ended up happening. 

Becca:  So super calculated.  Was, you know, it wasn't just rage outbursts. You knew he could control his actions enough to hide what he was doing from other people.

Marty: He was hiding it early on, probably for the first couple of years. He'd hide it from most people. There were people that [00:10:00] he would do things in front of.  Other kids our age.  There was actually one time where, he shoved me really hardme be really against the telephone pole and I probably flew about six or seven feet, and some kids you know later on that day, asked me if I wanted them to jump in.  I said, no, that's okay because I'm thinking, okay, he retaliates against me. And what's interesting is one of those kids actually ended up on death row himself.

Krista:  Damn. So, you know, we, I am, I have two sons myself and I am a huge advocate for males, men, boys speaking up when things like that happened to them because you guys are treated so unfairly, because if you were a female, Marty, this would have been treated so differently. Especially in the nineties, there would have been that huge double standard.  And even today, people don't believe the things that happen to you happen to boys, to men. That you are willing to even speak about it, because like you said, you're just, you were taught to bite the bullet. You were taught to just man up. And sometimes you can't man up because people suck.

Becca: There's this assumption that abusive relationships only happen in the context of romantic relationships and not as identified as, no a friend could be abusing you. A roommate could be abusing you.  A family - well, a family member could be abusing you a coworker, a boss. But even if you're in it, there's not as much of an awareness of going through that checklist of red flags in your mind, am I being abused by this person? Because it's well, I'm not fucking them, so they can't be abusing me.  And that's not the case. 

Marty: Our culture, our society in the nineties, glorifying the person who took the law to their own hands against the monster, even, even when it was perceived as wrong what they're doing.  Our heroes were the tough guys, Wesley Snipes. And it's kind of give us the wrong idea as a young boy growing up.  You know, a bully, facing someone who is terrorizing them.  And it's a lot of shame. There's a lot of shame involved withnot being man enough to handle your problems.  You know, so there was a lot of pride involvedthat I was not in control of that situation. Not feeling that I could go to my parents. 

Krista:  There's this misconception that your parents were completely nonchalant to your pleas about wanting to move or wanting to, you know, do something different to get away from Bobby or they were completely just not aware of what was going on.  Is that true? Or is that one of those misinformations that is out there? 

Marty:  Well, I think they thought whatever was going on - because they knew something was wrong because I went from, you know, being extremely sociable with family events and just a joyful child to just always hiding out in my room and just always being depressed.  And so they knew something was severely wrong, but you know, they, they downplayed it for certain. And you know, most parents, especially that generation.  You know, they grew up in the fifties and the sixties.  I mean, it was so much different, so much different and a situation like I was in wasn't realistic to them.

Krista:  Or something that you talk about. 

Marty:  I was told stories of, you know, well, this kid had a problem with bullies and he just picked the biggest one and hit him in the face and his problems were over.  You know, that's, that's what the stories I was told.  My, my uncle got jumped by a group of guys.  He went back with a chain and beat them all, beat them all up. And these were the glorifying stories I was told growing up. So I was told that the only solution to a problem like that of a bully is to get the best of them.  I knew I was in, I knew I was in a situation. I was dealing with a person that would get the best of me if he was able.

Carrie Anne: So you never tried to punch him in the face?

Marty:  I did attempt to a few different times, ended up with a broken nose. He was a lot bigger than me for the majority of the years this was taking place - probably by 50 pounds and four inches.  That's a lot for 15, 16, 17 years old.  I think by 18, I was 5’5”,  125, by 18. 

Becca: I mean, it must've felt like a hopeless situation that there was no way out of him in your life.

Marty:  I couldn't think of a legitimate way out.  

Krista: I mean, if you think about it with the developing brain, as a teenager, the society, quote, unquote societal norms of situations such as that, what, what, what else do you expect somebody to think to do?  Yeah. Yeah. You know, like that's my mindset I have got, I've had some situations where there's things where I'm like, you know what? Nope. Two minutes. Okay. You know, where I'm like, why, why wouldn't I do that? So we have a couple minutes left. What is your stance on bullying and what are you hoping most to do when you are released?  Because it's going to happen, because it's been put out there it's happening. 

Marty:   Well, I would tell kids today that they need to call, talk to an adult about what's happening. And if they don't get immediate results, call the police.  Get the police involved as quick as possible and get it on record that this person is harassing you.  And keep on talking about it until somebody will take you serious. And pride is not worth spending decades.  What I want to do, I want to talk to kids. I want to go to high schools and just want to share, I want to share my story with people and try to help people learn from the wisdom I've gained through hard times and rough experience. 

Krista: That is amazing. Marty. And I want to thank you so much for speaking with us and sharing your story and how you feel. Not all the way, but you know what? I don't care because I am so just grateful. I've been following your story for like 13 years and I think it's amazing what Megan is doing for you. And I'm excited for you  and the future.

Megan: I really want him home. I really want you home, Dad. I'm really trying. 

Global Tel Link:  You have -

Carrie Anne: Anything else you'd like to say, Marty? Any other message? 

Marty:  For anybody who is enduring abuse, don't give up.  Somebody cares and there is somebody who will help you. There is somebody who will listen. Don't make the mistakes I did.

Krista: Thank you, Marty. 

Becca: Thank you, Marty. Thank you so much.

Marty:  God bless you.

Carrie Anne: Thanks so much. 

Marty:  Bye.

Megan: Thank you, Dad. I appreciate it. This helps, like a lot.

Global Tel Link:  Thank you for using Global Tel Link.

Megan:  It only gives us 30 minutes. 

Krista: Sorry to steal your time. 

Megan:  No, that was planned.  I told him, I told him, cause I read your message wrong. I saw 6:30. I told him, call around 630:, if you can, because he can't call at a certain time. He Just has to put his name on the list. And I don't know your religious stance, but I, I, I'm a true Christ believer and I do believe that God was definitely working on our side when it came to that. That was perfect. Perfect timing. 

Becca: I am a believer in divine timing. We experience it a lot, a lot actually on the show.

Krista:  We do. We want to hear, you know, what you know about the story, some of your childhood stuff, I'm just, but yeah, your take, yeah. Your take on this situation and being famous for something that you were -

Megan: I didn't realize the, my, my fame status until I started doing the TikToks on this. I had about 60,000 followers before I started talking about my - mainly just for comedy, you know, the, I got a fucked up sense of humor too.  Some people like it.  So I've been told a certain story as a child growing into an adult, I'm starting to notice that there are some things that aren't true.  And, you know, I started becoming curious to what the real truth was. I, I'm not an entitled brat, but I do think I deserve the truth is as much as anyone would you know, in, in this situation.  You know, my whole, my whole childhood was stripped of me. I had to go through things that normal kids didn't have to go through.  I was pulled out of class multiple times a week to go through therapy, because I knew about my parents and the murder and the movie at a, at a very, very young age. They suggested therapy when I was a child because there was a couple of situations and I think either kindergarten or first grade, or you wait, did you want to ask a question?

Krista:  Yeah, I was gonna say, when you found out about the movie, was it something that someone did out of a malice manner or was it you just stumbled upon it?

Megan:  So I found out about my parents and the movie and everything through a cousin who wasn't that much older than me and just thought it was cool because we're kids.  We don't know better, you know, like, oh, murder, like, yeah, there's a movie!  Hey, you know, we're kids, we don't understand that kind of stuff.  So but it, it was, it was that I did take it very well. I started crying because I didn't, I didn't think I had any other mom and dad.[00:20:00] I thought the people I was living with was my mom and dad. And, you know, I had different parents. 

Becca: Were you living with foster parents at the time or with adopted parents or?

Megan:   I was living with my grandparents. I was living with my mom's parents. But you know, I was too young for them to sit me down and tell me anything. And, and it made sense. Because I knew I was not, I didn't call them mom and dad. And I remember thinking as a child, why does everybody call their parents, mom and dad?  I call mine Grammy and Papa.  You know, so I, when you're raised a certain way, you don't know any other way until you start noticing like little things that aren’t you know exactly normal. And then, you know, they had to sit me down and then they had to tell me, you know, hey, your real mom and dad are, are in prison and for murder.  And I just was like, you know, that's a lot for a five-year-old to take in.  So I didn't know what murder was and I think somebody tried to explain it to me, which probably wasn't the best idea.  So when I was in kindergarten or first grade around then because the movie didn't come out until I was about six, six years old.  So like, they didn't know, they didn't tell me that there was a movie. They just told me that my parents were in prison for murder and stuff. But I remember like when I did find out about the movie coming out, I told everybody in school. Cause I thought it was cool. Oh, there's a movie about my parents. You know? Like, hey, like can we be friends? I just wanted friends. Like I was doing anything. Cause I was always the weird girl. Cause I like would draw these pictures, like when the teacher would be like, okay, class, let's draw pictures of our families and what we like to do together as a family.  My fucked up ass at five years old drew a picture of me with my mom and dad killing somebody.

Becca: Oh shit, your teachers were like, oh no!

Megan: So I would, I had, there's like, my grandma's still has them.  I don't know. She, well she hid them cause I want to post them and she won't let me.  She hid them. They're these drawings. 

Becca: She’s that bitch is never going to find this! 

Megan: I'll probably never find those pictures. I don’t know if she threw them away, or hid them – she pretends  that she doesn’t know what I’m talking about. 

Becca: They’re out there somewhere.

Megan:  Yeah. They're in there somewhere. I'll find them one of those days. So and I, I saw them a couple of years ago. They're in her house, her house somewhere. So there's these pictures of, I drew of my dad physically stabbing somebody and the guy bleeding out and me and my mom, the background, like clapping, like yeah!!

Carrie Anne: That’s some natural born killers shit! 

Becca: Was this before or after the movie? 

Megan:  This was before the movie. Yeah. So, I mean, the movie didn’t come out until I was about six years old. 

Krista:  What was that, 2001? 

Carrie Anne: So you weren’t influenced by the film at any way in these drawings, in any kind. 

Megan:  It was just my imagination. 

Becca: Let's go over real quick the whole murder, like two minutes synopsis, Krista go.

Krista:  In July of 1993 Mardi Puccio, Lisa Connelly, Allie’s cousin Daniel, right?

Megan:  No. Well, we can say Daniel, as I know, he's gonna, he's gonna shit show.

Krista:  We'll say cousin D.

Megan:   How about we just say cousin.

Krista:  Cousin, random.  

Megan:   Yeah. Donny. You can say Donnie's name. I don't care. I don't give a shit. 

Krista:  And how does Heather feel? Cause I know Heather is out, right?

Megan:  Oh, she wants to be left out of it 1000000%. That girl should have never been there that night. 

Krista:  Yeah, no. Yeah. Yeah. She, she seemed like she was pretty removed from the situation.  It's just wrong place, wrong time. Friend. Okay. Friend that happened to be there. There was. And then, and then mafia guy…and we laugh only because it's one of those situations where it's , oh yeah, I'm in the mafia. But really, I just have a whole bunch of little kids thinking I'm…

Becca:  Well, we all know that guy who was 20 and was hanging out with high schoolers and buying us all booze. And we thought he was super, because he’d get us…

Megan:  That was pretty much him. 

Krista:  Yeah. Mafia guy, mafia, guy. Yeah. Yep. They happened to meet Lisa.  And how about Allie? How does Allie feel? 

Megan:  Eh, Allie and Lisa are still best friends. So I don't know. I'm pretty sure…

Becca:  Trauma bonded. 

Megan:  Yeah, there's a few accounts. One's called Megan Marty Lies.  That one's fun.

Krista:  Well, I'll have to check that one out.

Megan:  I'm pretty sure that that one is Allie. I don't, I don't know for sure, but I know Allie has a TikTok, and she made these videos saying that my mom, that my dad and Bobby were having sex all the time. Which one is not true. I don't know what the hell they're trying to do.  It's it makes no fucking sense to me at all. But my dad knew these girls for three fucking months. 

Becca:  Oh God. 

Megan:  He knew - he did not know any of these people. None of these. Yeah. 

Krista: So people remember don't just internet has, or anything has shown you that about people, but , even back then, don't trust anybody.

Megan:   No.  I might be out of line for saying this and I'm probably I'm know I'm going to get backlash for this, but it's something that my dad said to me that I think about a lot and I don't exactly know what he meant by it, but because I was asking him, I was like, how did you get to the situation with Lisa?  I was like, you knew her for four months. I'm sorry, but it just, something's not adding up. You know, how, how did we get, how did you, how did we get here from somebody that you knew for three months? And he said, well, I can put it to you this way: the obsession that Bobby had with me was nothing at all compared to the obsession Lisa had with me.

Becca:  Oh, wow. 

Megan:   So he had initially two Bobbies at one time, which just fucking threw him over the edge. I mean, that would throw anybody over the edge at that point. Yeah. 

Becca:  Basically Bobby Kent is the one that ended up stabbed and smashed with the baseball bat. Bobby Kent and Marty Puccio were, it was more of a hostage situation than a friendship, but Bobby was an incredibly abusive psychologically, physically, a horribly abusive friend to Marty for many, many, many, many years. It was a really, I mean, there was psychological abuse, physical abuse, intimidation, sexual abuse, all kinds of shit. It was really fucked up in childhood and into high school and beyond.   If y'all want to look into it farther, you can.  I've been listening to podcast after podcast about this and it is it's dark. It's really dark what Marty went through.

Megan:  Podcasts talk about this? 

Becca:  There's podcast episodes. 

Krista:  We will I'll have her gather the links. 

Becca:  Yeah, we'll put the links in the…

Krista:  The way that it was portrayed.

Becca:  Because it's just Bobby sucks.  Bobby sucks. Bobby sucks. And then they killed Bobby and Bobby's parents are sad. 

Megan:  Bobby’s parents are like millionaires from the movie.  I - I don't get royalties for some fucking reason that you involved me in the movie. I had you could have done the movie without saying Lisa was pregnant. 

Becca:  Wait. So it was a baby cast as you, or were you just like a bump?

Megan:   I was a bump. Yeah. 

Becca:  So basically Marty knocks up Lisa and Lisa's like, we got to get rid of Bobby. Bobby sucks, but Lisa's also…

Krista:  I mean, she wasn't wrong. She wasn't wrong because she was…

Megan:  See that's the thing. I don't know why she was so she was very defensive on TikTok. Nobody disagrees with what she did.  No one disagrees with. She'll never own up to it, but that's okay. That's her own shit. Like no one disagrees with wanting him gone, especially because in Lisa's position. I, you know, I don't have a relationship with my mother. I personally don't like her, but that's my own personal reasons, has nothing to do with the murder.  But you know, this is Lisa's perspective. Lisa had a best friend, Allie and her and Allie were best friends, thick and thin and stay we're kids. And this guy is raping her best friend and threatening to kill her, and threatening to kill her baby. Now, Lisa’s pregnant with Marty who Marty is an intense, I mean, she saw the horrible trauma and abuse that he endured with Bobby.

Becca:  She got behind the veil.  She got a very unique peek behind the veil, like she's. Yeah. So she got to see firsthand, like the way Marty was being treated, which you know, and she loved him and she was pregnant. 

Krista:  She was obsessed with his dance between love and obsession.

Becca:  She was obsessed. 

Megan:  She was obsessed and she was obsessed with him and she was in love with him.   That's those are my dad's words. Those aren't her words. Those are my dad's words. But you know, and now she's pregnant. Yeah. So watching what Bobby wanted to do to, you know, a baby, she was probably in a position where she's like, he's going to kill my child. He's going to kill my child eventually. Or my baby daddy or Allie, my best friend. You know. 

Becca:  Like this guy is literally threatening to kill everyone. 

Megan:  And why my dad didn’t bring it up is Bobby threatened to slice the throat of my dad's three-year-old nephew, a three-year-old and my, and his mom. I actually, I don't know. If you want, I can replay, I can play the recording from my grandma, Marty's mom talking about, you know, the threats from Bobby. Like this guy was going to kill, he was gonna kill his mom. He was gonna kill the nephew was gonna kill Allie. He was gonna kill Allie's baby. He was gonna kill me. He was going to kill Joe. Marty was, he was gonna fucking kill. Everybody was just going to fucking mass murder, everybody.

Becca:  And the thing with Bobby is that it never crossed his mind that people might be like, oh, we should kill Bobby. It never, he was so cocky that it never crossed his mind.

Megan:   I mean, I don't condone killing, but like you can push multiple fucking people and expect to be okay. 

Krista:  It's fair enough to say, it's like, you're going to catch me on the wrong God damn mother fucking day, and [00:30:00] you're going to die.

Becca:  Any one of those, like eight people.

Krista:  He caught them on the wrong mother fucking day. 

Megan:   Yeah. He messed with a lot of people who weren't really in their right minds. 

Krista:  No. And it's always those people that you don't suspect. I am going to put that out there. It can be…

Carrie Anne: I do find it fascinating that there were so many involved.

Megan:   I mean, they were kids though, you know what I mean? Like a kid wouldn't do that by themselves unless they were truly sadistic, you know.  I don't think any of them, I think the only person who really wanted to kill Bobby was Donnie. And I think Donnie sadistic, but it was Donnie's 18th birthday.  And I know that he was more than excited. He was the first one to stab Bobby. He like went right up and was like right in the fucking neck. My dad is like, oh shit, they're really fucking doing it. You know, they're screaming at my dad. You better help.  They're all holding knives. So, you know, he's like, fuck.  So, I mean, he was, it was just been put in a bad situation after situation, after fucking situation. Now he's pregnant with Lisa, you know, like what the fuck? Like there's so many things happening and, and not only that, but he might've been 19. He was tested when he was six. No, when he was 17 years old, he was tested.  My grandma got him tested at somewhere in Fort Lauderdale psychiatrist literally told my grandma, he is mentally 10 years old when he was 17. Imagine being traumatized and bullied for so many years you do not mentally develop. 

Becca:  Yeah, it does. It does. Isn't it something that like, you kind of stop at the point of trauma?

Krista:  Yeah. Instead of, instead of dissociating and creating a split brain, his brain just stayed where it was. It's like, it's like, if you, if you start doing drugs that are really young age, because of all the hormones that are released and all of those things, it just stops. You just stop. You're just there because that's how you learn how to deal with it.  Unfortunately.

Becca:  That is not to say you can't like grow as a person, but.

Krista:  So do you, and wasn't he under the impression that they were just going there to like beat him up?

Megan: I don't think… 

Krista:  Or is that one of those misconceptions? 

Megan: I don’t think that was out any of them really thought they were in kill Bobby that night until Donnie started fucking stabbing him.  I think they were all just fucking bluffing until Donnie started actually physically fucking killing him. And then Derek Kaufman started, started helping too.  And then, you know, everybody else and my dad started helping cause they started screaming at Marty to help. I think. No, that's not in the movie no because they make my dad out to be, you know, like one of the plotting people.  I don't think anybody was planning on killing Bobby that night.  I think they were going to rough him up. I don't think…

Becca:  It did not seem like a thought-out plan. 

Megan:  It wasn’t they were kids!  Remember when you were 18?  Did you ever physical, did you ever actually plan out your night or did you just go like…

Becca:  Never.

Megan:  Yeah, exactly. We got what we need! Like hell yeah.

Becca:  No one makes a plan before the age of 25. 

Krista:  Just no.

Megan:  No one thinks of anything.

Carrie Anne:  When they dumped him, they dumped him out by the Everglades, correct? 

Megan:  Yeah. 

Carrie Anne:  So they, they, who was involved with that?  Was it all of them or just a few of them?

Megan:   I don't know I was there technically, but I, of course I ain't…I ain’t no snitch.  Eye to the belly button.  What'd you doing out there mom? Oh, never mind. 

Carrie Anne: Okay? How was his body discovered? 

Megan:   His body was discovered. My cousin, my mom's cousin went to the police because he was like, what the fuck? And went and got the police and brought them to the body and was like, hey, look, I kind of witnessed this happen. I really was not involved in this.  But here's the body. And then they throw him in prison for five years. Like how, how does he get, how does he even get time is what I don't understand. Cause he had…he didn't do anything. I watch these people kill somebody. Here's the body. And they're like, all right, five years. I'm like…

Becca:  That was something I didn't understand about the charges or the convictions.  How like so many murder charges were doled out to people that didn't actually murder him. 

Megan:   Yeah.

Becca:   I was confused by…

Krista:  Can we blame it on the nineties? 

Becca:   Yeah. Let's just blame it on the nineties.

Megan: Like the nineties, I feel like everyone was just kind of dumb, like playing it by ear, like, all right. So the judge. So this is a really interesting thing.  The judge who sentenced everybody was a complete fucktard, in my opinion.

Becca:   Lawyer was drunk, the judge was a fucktard…

Megan:  He played himself in the movie. You guys know that right?

Krista: No! Okay. I have to rewatch it. 

Megan:  You gotta rewatch it. The judge in the movie is the actual judge. 

Becca:   No fuck no, Nicholas Cage cannot play me! Only I play me!

Megan:  Oh, you know what? My dad probably wouldn't make a good…You know what? Nicholas Cage would probably do a very good job. I think they should…

Krista:  As him now, like as him as a grown adult. 

Becca:  Yes. Nicholas Cage, if you're listening, we got ideas for you.

Megan:   I hope they remake this fucking movie and I hope they, you know…

Becca:  They don't need to remake the movie, they need to make it different.

Megan:  Make a different movie.  Who would play me? 

Krista:  Make a better movie. I don't know..

Megan:  Who would play me?  

Becca:  Would you like have a baby call, or whatever? 

Megan:  If I get to, if I had to pick, it would ha - honestly, I think the best person to play my character would be that girl from American Pie. The redhead, what's her name?

Krista:  Oh, one time and band…

Megan:  Yeah. That one time...I feel like that. I feel like that's pretty spot on. 

Krista:  Good choice. 

Megan:  Yeah. I don't remember her name though. I just know her from American Pie, but like that's, I'm kind of ditzy or she was also in How I Met Your Mother.  Yeah. I'm kind of like soft-spoken and ditzy. I do some really dumb shit, but I mean, like, I don't know. My life is mainly a, it's almost like a comedy movie. It's really not a sob story, which that's good at least.  My childhood was a sob story. I was sad, shit, but you know, as I became an adult, I was like, I was taking the world and grabbing it by the balls and twisting it a little too hard.

Becca: Like something will come out of here.  That's how it works.  I do have a question though. So what prompted you to get on to TikTok and start speaking out on other platforms? 

Megan:  So what prompted me was when I started scrolling through my FOR YOU page on TikTok, and I think it happened three times before I'm like, all right, I'm just going to say…

Becca: So did you just get on TikTok for funsies?

Megan: Yeah, I did have a TikTok.  I have a friend Chelsea and she was, she was obsessed with it for like a year and all I heard from her mouth was, you needed to download TikTok.  I was like, I will never, ever download TikTok.  And now I have like over a hundred thousand followers and she, she just like, always throws it in my face and I'm like, listen, all right. All right. It's you are, you have the credit. But I started seeing these videos of my dad and I'm like, okay, because when I turn on the TV, oh, there's my parents on Forensic Files again.  All right. What's on the Disney Channel?  My parents aren't on the Disney Channel that channel safe.  Or, like, you know, you're scrolling through different movies on Prime, and it was like, check out this movie, Bully. I'm like, no thank you.  Seen it.  I don’t want to see it again. Or I'm scrolling through Facebook and it’s my dad is like.  It's so fucking weird to just no matter where you turn or look, or if you go on YouTube, there's random videos of my life.  People are just explaining what I do every day. And I'm like, you know, me.  I'm wearing a shirt that says, bite me. I smelled like wonton soup. My hair hasn't been brushed in three days. Like you don't know shit. Like if you guys are going to, I mean, if everyone's just going to, it's been 30 years, you know what I mean?  Obviously the story's not dead. If everyone wants to keep talking about the same little bits of information that people know over and over and over and over, I'm sure someone wants to hear the truth.  I have the truth who wants to fucking hear it?  And then I have like a million views and like a shit ton of likes, and I was like, oh God, what have I done?  And it happened like within three hours. And I was like, oh, there's no fucking turning back now. I can't, I can't go back. So I had anxiety for like a whole month where I did nothing, but like shake.  Couldn't eat, couldn't sleep.  I wasn't drinking anything besides coffee, which did not help. And it was something that I was not emotionally ready to like face being their daughter. 

So, you know, when I started like doing these videos and like talking, it got to the point where, you know, sometimes I go to Walmart and like, oh, you're, you're the daughter.Oh shit. Can we take a pic? Can I take a selfie with you? And I'm like, sure. Okay. All right. I look like shit right now, but all right. Just don't post it on the internet. Edit it a little bit, you know, straighten my hair and the edits.  But it got to the point where like, people were like, you know, you're famous.  I'm like, I'm not fucking famous. What are you kidding me?  I work two jobs. I can't be famous if I'm broke. So like, you know, I dunno. I don't know if famous would be the right word to use. I think just people I'm basically a Tiger King. 

Krista:  No, that, okay. So like, no. No, not at all.

Becca:  More like Tiger King’s first husband or…I like Tiger King's first husband.  John was my favorite. 

Megan:  He has teeth now.  He’s good looking.

Becca:  Yeah, yeah. I thought I, I did think John was cute with and without the teeth. 

Krista:  Never mind, I'm not going to go there. They always say [00:40:00] women with no teeth, eh!

Megan:  Nobody ever talks about that, you know because you know, being pregnant, you know, like you got so many fucking dent…I have dental problems.  Like you wouldn't believe. I mean, like my teeth are pretty, but like those roots, they all need root canals. Like…

Krista:  That happened to my mom when she was pregnant, when she was pregnant, the pregnancy hormones just like destroyed her mouth.

Megan:   Yeah, it really does. And I took like the prenatal pills and everything.  

Krista:  Right now. So my best friend right now, she's, she's due on her birthday, which is September 16th. And she is freaking out.

Becca: Wait is she's due on her birthday? 

Krista:  Yeah. She's due on her birthday, but she is freaking out. And her fiance already has two kids. The oldest is 13 and she's like, oh my God, I need you to be there.  My mom is a spazz and he's just. I don't know, but I need you to be there.

Megan:  I was actually due on my dad's birthday. That's funny. 

Krista: Oh that's funny. I know that my, like my best friend, like if something is going wrong with her, I'll call her and be like, what the hell is going on? And vice versa.  That's, we're just those, but yeah.

Megan:  I have a friend like that. Her name's Jessica. My last TikTok video, actually. So we went to Universal over the weekend and she, she knew that I had to leave early Saturday morning.  So she calls me at two o'clock in the morning, Saturday morning. And she's freaking the hell out on the phone and I'm like ready to grab a baseball bat and go kick someone's ass. I don't know what the hell. So she is like, Megan, do you know what I'm looking up on Google right now? And I'm like, oh my God.  Aanyway so she calls me and she's like, Megan, Megan, do you know what I'm looking up on Google right now? And I'm like, what? Like, what are you looking up on Google? And she's like, whale poop.  Do you know how big whale poop is?

Becca: Oh, I bet it’s super big.

Megan:  Yeah. But it's like two o'clock in the morning. Why do I need to know this? So, right. So she and I started like researching whale poop, and like people sell it on eBay for like $10,000 a clump, which is crazy. Cause people would eat it, it’s in our perfume, but I'm like, what the hell? 

Krista:  I didn’t know about the perfume, I know about the Ambergris to make…

Megan:  That's what it's called. Yeah. 

Krista:  But people eat it?

Becca: We can do an episode on perfumes.  Weren't we…

Krista:  The underground market on Ambergris is just as dangerous as like the underground makeup market, the underground purse market.

Becca: They can make everything sketchy. They make like fricking hair trafficking. 

Megan:  So I'm at Universal and they have these, these like leather bracelets. Right. And you can customize them any way you want.  You know what I did?  I didn't put her name on it. It says Whale Poop and I can’t wait to give her that shit.  I told her, I bought her a very rare and expensive bracelet and that's why I'm going to hand her. 

Krista:  Fuck yeah. 

Carrie Anne:  I love it. I love it. 

Krista:  That’s what you do with best friends. I was gonna ask do you speak to any  extended family? Like your uncle or grandmother on your dad's side? 

Megan:  Yeah, I speak to actually my dad's side is the only side I do speak to.  I don't speak to my mom's side. But I-I'm pretty close with my grandma, my dad's mom. I talked to her quite a bit. And then my Uncle Chris, I'm close to him. The only time I ever talked to my uncle, Tony, which is his other brother who's not mentioned in the movie for some reason is when I post something on Facebook that he politically disagrees with.  That's usually when I hear from him.

Krista:  We all have that uncle. 

Megan:  We all have that uncle, that uncle.   We all have that. If I post something politically incorrect, you know, he will correct me. Thank you, Uncle Tony.

Becca: Thank you so much. 

Krista:  So we want to say thank you to our guests, Marty Puccio and Megan Puccio. And we all want you to know, Hey, Free Marty.  Look into this case, look into, understand that you don't have to be in a relationship to be in a domestic violence situation. Also understand trauma, bonding, and also most of all being a teenager sucks. 

Megan:  It does, especially when you got that shit going on.

Krista:  Well, and I always tell people, how are you supposed to act like adults when you make adult decisions and then you were treated like a child, 

Becca: That's a really good point, that's a really good point. 

Krista:  How are you supposed to know what to do? And we'll also blame the nineties.

Carrie Anne: That's a wrap. 

Megan:  Thank you. Yeah. We'll do this again. Definitely. 

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