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Welcome everybody back to the crossovers. Today is Friday, July 24th, 2026. Good to be back. Have a great show for you tonight here with Josh and Christina. So we always kick it off with mail days. And Christina, do you have a mail day?
SPEAKER_05No.
SPEAKER_01Nope.
SPEAKER_05My mail days were all shipped directly to the national.
SPEAKER_01True, true. Josh, do you? Oh Josh, I can't hear you. You're muted.
SPEAKER_05Josh, you're muted.
SPEAKER_02Uh yeah, Christina's mail day is much heavier than ours and in many boxes. Uh apparently Chris let me get this card, so thank you, Chris. But this is the only one I've gotten in the last month. 2023 Donruss Optic Gold Vinyl 101. Christian McCaffrey. Yep, that's actually my card, but I let you have it. That's I probably got 10, like 90% of my DMs were along those lines. Oh.
SPEAKER_01He let you have that. Wait, can you show it again? Sorry, I just blew you up big on the screen. There we go. Yeah, let's go. McCaffrey Optic Gold Vinyl. That's sweet.
SPEAKER_05Very nice, very nice.
SPEAKER_01Is that it? That's it. Alright, and I've got one as well. Uh this is the um there we go. This is the 2015 Topps Field Access. Tom Brady base set one of one. Topps Field Access is a one-off football set that was sort of Topps Football's answer to basketball stadium club, showing intense up close photography. And they only made it for one year. And this is Brady's one base card, and this is the one one of one to it. And I've got it handy because I'll be bringing it to the national because I want to put that thing into a PSA holder. Because I think it'll look nicer with the red.
SPEAKER_02Is that the ultra-rare one of one of one of one?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it kind of is.
SPEAKER_02Did I get that right?
SPEAKER_01Kind of is because it's a one of one, it's the only one of one, and it's a one of one off product.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So we're cooking right now. All right.
SPEAKER_02That's a 500k card. That's a low ball. That is congrats.
SPEAKER_01Thank you, but five million and up. All right.
SPEAKER_05Dude, I'm gonna laugh when like they use this clip as like the up charge.
SPEAKER_00Right. Just don't look up the comp and believe everything I tell you. Did that not even have subgrades?
SPEAKER_02No subgrades. So the guy who had that card thought so low of that card that he thought this isn't even worth getting subgrades. It's such trash.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02That's how you know you're cooking.
SPEAKER_00Nice BGS 8 silver label.
SPEAKER_01You know, I thought eventually I'd get used to below 8.5s being silver labels, but I never have. I really do still wish that they had the three label colors. Agreed. I I never got used to it. It's weird.
SPEAKER_05Bring back the paper flip.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, bring that on the paper flip with the tiled Beckett logo.
SPEAKER_02You shouldn't be ashamed of getting an eight and visually ashamed.
SPEAKER_01Right, exactly. Yeah. That should be my scarlet letter. Yes. All right.
SPEAKER_02You're gonna get a PSA 4.
SPEAKER_01Oh, and I'll like it too. And I'll pay a big fat up charge for it. Alright. Let's warm up since it's our first show in over a month, with some softballs, some LeBron to the 76ers balls. So the first question comes from Strong Cards88, who says, Wow, what a day. First little LeBron news, and now we get the return of the crossover. JD9 Cards writes in what inning are we in in the hobby now that Topps did a post collaboration with LeBron to announce his decision to go to Philly? Did you notice that, Josh? That that graphic is ready to go.
SPEAKER_02Is it Topps Now card that he signed and inscribed?
SPEAKER_01Something like that. Yeah, or like a mock-up of it or something. I saw it floating around.
SPEAKER_02I assume that's real.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, but how do they how do they already have their card ready to go? Like, or did they have a template or just like it could be one of these four teams? Let's make a mock-up for each of the four teams, and then whichever one it is, we'll release it.
SPEAKER_02Well, isn't Ruben like associated with the 76ers in some way? He wants to be part owner, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, he used to, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So there is some kind of connection to like LeBron signing with tops now and going to the Sixers. I've seen some of those rumors. I wouldn't be surprised. Like the hobby is everyone's like forced to kind of pay attention to it, I think, at this point, at least from what I've seen and from the fanfest.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yep, indeed. Okay, uh Ollie's EPC uh says thoughts on LeBron prices short-term and long term after this move. And Andrew Laspina.sc. Let's discuss LeBron to Philly and the market impact.
SPEAKER_02Hmm. Yeah, I can take this one to start given the LeBron stuff. I was always one of those guys that uh, you know, when he went from Cleveland to Miami, I was like, I'm a Heat fan now. And then he went back to Cleveland. I'm a Cleveland fan now. You know, kind of like you guys following Luca to LA. I was that way with LeBron. And now I just find myself like not caring that much about this move because this is feels more like it's uh, you know, he's like maybe just trying to maximize winning and he's gonna be like the third wheel or whatever, which is fine. But it's I'm just not as interested in it anymore. And I also don't think it has much of an effect on his like legacy because if he wins, let's say they win the championship or they make the finals or something, no one's gonna give him credit for it. Um, you know, he's not gonna he probably won't win finals MVP, and so it's not like it'll boost his resume, and he's not gonna win finals MVP. So I'm not that interested in the move. As far as the market, I again I just don't think like one year out of 24 is really gonna affect anything. I think everything's kind of already priced in.
SPEAKER_01Agreed. And one more question on this topic from the Jordan Exchange. If LeBron wins a championship with a team that has been a loser for 43 years, I love how now we just trashed the 76ers. So to make if it does become a championship, then that makes it that much better. Right. Is is this is this additive to LeBron's legacy? Four different teams, four championships. Lakers, one of the NBA's worst teams when LeBron joined. The Cavs never won prior to LeBron, and the 76ers haven't done it since 1983. So you kind of preempted this in your answer to previous questions. Is there anything else you'd like to add?
SPEAKER_02Uh no, because I mean, like, what it does did like cat prices double because the Knicks had such a drought or something, you know. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Actually, maybe they kind of did. Maybe they kind of did, actually.
SPEAKER_02I just don't think that like people in the hobby care as much about like the team, like the Knicks and this kind of stuff. Like, everyone wants to make that a story, like the king of New York and all this stuff. But I think the hobby really does value like the individual accolades and like how much how much credit they get for ultimately like winning the championship and being successful as a team. Like, we all clearly know that like Luka and Jokic are more impactful for winning games than Carl Anthony was for helping the Knicks win the championship. We can see it in the stats, we can see it in the games, and like that's why their card prices are higher.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna do, I'm just gonna give the straight take. Like, I felt like everywhere I looked today when people were discussing this, it was kind of like a weird left field take. Like, Warriors fans are now like destitute because they were banking on this, and Lakers fans are like, You took a pay cut to join Philly, but you couldn't take a pay cut for us, and it's like, well, he was worth 50 million when he signed with you, and now he's worth this, and that's why he's signing for that. Everybody has these like weird takes, or like, uh, or I heard it, or there's some take like, well, this means he can never catch Jordan now. Like, because playing another season somehow subtracts from what he's done. I don't get it. So uh instead of like all these like left field, right field takes, I'm gonna just send a fastball down a slow lane. Here's the simple take the 76ers, after LeBron announced that he's going to them, became virtually tied with the Knicks in FanDuel to win the Eastern Conference. He picked a good landing spot, he picked a good conference, he picked a good team to join, and now they're essentially the favorites to win their conference and go to the finals. It's a fine choice. That's my take. All right.
SPEAKER_02I wish he would have just stayed in LA, but yeah, it's fine.
SPEAKER_01I wish he would have too, and there's a whole rabbit hole there to go down that we don't need to, but LA wouldn't have given him four million dollars a year. And and the one position, one the one starting position they still need is power forward. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
SPEAKER_02The most shocking thing of all of it was the two years, eight million. Right. Because he went from what did you say, like 50 million a year or whatever, down to four? It's uh he's obviously like maybe taking he's not worth 50 million a year anymore, but he's to go to four million is like he's clearly taking a little bit less.
SPEAKER_01For sure, for sure. All right, let's go. All right, no, let's go to another softball set of questions here. Fanatics fest and the national from raw cards, pre-national hype. How is the card letter team feeling this year? Christina, let's Christina jump in. Let's let's tag you in there.
SPEAKER_05You have to take stressed. I'm feeling stressed. I'm feeling actually, like, let me just say shout out to our team, like you guys, uh, and Nick and our other teammates, like they are all on top of their shit so that I am able to focus on what is the craziness of the biggest show of the year and our like biggest event. Um like, so first off, thank you to my amazing team, uh, our team, for going extra during this time when my attention is on like the larger national stage.
SPEAKER_01Can I jump in here and ask you to make a queen uh queen, a clean, quick pitch for where our booth is, how to find us, and why you should come there?
SPEAKER_05Yep. So our booth is 2326. So think card ladder, it's you think 23, and it is 2026. So our booth is 2326. Like easy peasy. Where it is is if you go in near the Starbucks and then you go all the way like back to the right, keep going until you get to the emergency doors. We're outside. No, I'm kidding. We're right in front of the emergency doors. Um so come hang out. We will have chargers, we will have candy, we will have snacks, we will have good conversations, bring cool cards, we'll have cool cards to show you as well. Um, come talk to us about cards, like have fun. We will have swag. We have a swag schedule. Every day is a different drop. So make sure you stop by uh at least once every day. Uh, I will say that there will be there will be hoodies. I haven't gotten the shipping confirmation yet, but I'm sure it'll be fine. And I'm sure that Mike, shout out Mike, has them all shipped and already at the warehouse. And he just forgot to add me to the shipping confirmation, but they're already there. I'm not stressing at all about it. And um, we will have hoodies. There will be a code phrase just like every year to get your hoodie. Um, come early. We run out. Um, and like I said, we'll have a different swag or giveaway item every day besides the hoodie. So make sure you come to our booth. I have some really cool things to give you. And I'm really can we talk?
SPEAKER_01Can we can we can can you give details about the hats or no?
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I uh I went a little overboard.
SPEAKER_01Like you guys remember the hats were a big hit. The hoodies are always well received. The hats were a big hit at the West Coast card show earlier this year.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, so same process as last year for the national and then for West Coast Card show. I have the hats in blind bags, so like mailers that have the print run of the colorways on it. And then except for the base, which is like a cool base for 2026, and that's all I'm gonna say. Um, it's a cool base for 2026, uh, except for the base hat. Every hat this year is numbered like one out of five, two out of five. So like we have hats uh one on one, we have out of 23, we have out of five, um out of 99, like there's like a plethora of hats. But again, we ran out both at national last year and at West Coast card show. I have a bigger print run, but like make sure you stop by. Hat day is Friday, so I will say that. So if you're at the national on Friday, make sure you come and get a hat early because there is a one of one. And uh at West Coast card show, the one of one was sold twice at our booth uh for a hundred dollars and then um a hundred dollars and something like someone got like someone purchased it from the person who bought it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, if you hit that one of one hat and you don't want to keep it, you can get some nice pocket change selling that thing probably to walk around the show.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, so yeah, it's okay.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, so a lot of things happening.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_05Um and uh that's all that's all I got.
SPEAKER_01Good. Okay. Moving on here from WWE Gelman. I can't wait to see you all at the National next week. I'm sure you will get a ton of Fanatics Fest questions here. Were you as overwhelmed by it as I was? I had an awesome time and I thought it was amazing, but maybe next time I will have a better understanding of just how crazy it will be. It was a very big show. Uh it's a bit like my brother said it's a bit like walking into an airport. Uh that's just how enormous, like an international, a major international airport. That's just how enormous the the Jabit Center can feel when it's just filled with 100,000 people and so many different booths and so many different things. But it's also a pretty easy show to navigate. It's well laid out. You can definitely find the places you want to get to and the stages you want to get to for whatever you want to check out. So it was crazy, but it was manageable, and it was a great show. And I think the National is going to be just as crazy too. So, Christina, do you want to add any thoughts about your fanatics experience?
SPEAKER_05The one thing's yeah, I kind of touched on this last night on Jake's podcast. Like, the one thing about Fanatics Fest that I like is the corporate activations. Like the big companies, the not hobby companies, like really show up and show out for Fanatics Fest. Like you have the leagues doing really cool things for kids. Um, Starbucks made uh gift cards with the frame of the Gretzky mantle and uh Jordan rookies.
SPEAKER_01Um and I just think that Christina's on her corporate slop this week. Keep going.
SPEAKER_05They really they really like tailor it to the attendee. They do like they it's not like uh you have to do this to get that, like it's literally like just come do it.
SPEAKER_01These companies take it very seriously. Starbucks had celebrities serving coffee to people. It was the real cool.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah. So I really thought that was cool. The one thing I didn't like, and I I know Chris will agree with me, like I don't care about the celebrities. Like, I don't care about the athletes. Like when I had to like when I got stuck because like they had the walk of fame like blocked off so celebrities could get from like point A to point B, I was like annoyed. I was like, God, this is so annoying. Um like I don't care, like, walk faster, like don't shut this down for so long. And um I just I am ready, like that one is like more sports fan-based, and I'm ready to geek out and nerd out with my card collecting friends and really like do the national card show experience.
SPEAKER_01It's like that Burbank card show when they split the corporate and the booths, the card booths onto different levels. That's almost like Fanatics Fest versus the National. Yeah, like partitioning here. The corporate activations are big, the big poll for fanatics, and they do a great job. And then the card nerding commences the week of the national. Okay. Great recaps there. Let's keep it going here. Uh, by the way, I want to uh enshrine the hobby with cage's bounty. He's placed a two he's placed a $250 bounty for the one of one card letter hat. So there you go.
SPEAKER_02Low ball.
SPEAKER_05It's a low ball.
SPEAKER_01Folks, he'll pay more than that.
SPEAKER_05The one of one card letter hat this year is green.
SPEAKER_01Oh, nice. The one of the first one of one hat was black.
SPEAKER_05Right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Somebody that that guy who got that hat really wanted that hat at the West. There's two guys who really wanted it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. All right. Uh, that's great. Thank you, Cage, for that. This is like in those DD groups when it's like, no deal, but thanks for getting it started.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_01All right. Let's go to LSU Tiger 65. Many content creators now describe their experience at a card show as a quote, movie keeping with this theme. How do you think your experience at the National will be? Will it be a movie? Will it be a prestige TV show? Will it be a miniseries or a network TV show? Curious for your thoughts.
SPEAKER_05I mean. I don't really, I don't really do moving picture entertainment.
SPEAKER_01Wrong answers only.
SPEAKER_05Um it'll be like The Bachelor, but the Bachelors are cards.
SPEAKER_01It's gonna be like a Taylor Swift concert documentary.
SPEAKER_05You didn't even watch that.
SPEAKER_02So it's Chris dancing around in a skirt.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02Josh? If there's cameras involved, I'm out. So all of those have cameras. That's the problem. Then I can't say what I want. I can't actually hang out. I've been watching the quarterback uh Netflix documentary, and I just feel like it's so staged, you know? Like the cameras are there, so everyone's like on their best behavior at the house, and that's not my vibe.
SPEAKER_01Josh's is a candid camera prank show where you don't know the camera's there.
SPEAKER_02There you go. Great question. That'll get us in trouble.
SPEAKER_01Great question from LSU Tiger. I was laughing at the next question. The next question is from Round Tree 13 cards, who says, I've got a hypothetical for the card lighter crew. Let's say I walk up to the card letter booth at the National and I grab one piece of candy, which is totally normal. Five minutes later, I swing back and take two pieces of candy. Josh notices, but he's trying to politely nod along while someone is explaining code or whatever software wizardry he's pretending to care about. 15 minutes after that, I casually stroll by again and now I grab a handful of candy. At what point should I start stretching my hamstrings and preparing to sprint from Josh and his candy security enforcements? While Chris just shrugs and says, Eh, it's just candy.
SPEAKER_02That's the Zach. Is it? I was like, What is happening? This is ridiculous. Screw these guys. And you were like, let them do it.
SPEAKER_05It was like it wasn't about the candy, though. Like they were making like weird noises as they were like fishing through. Do you remember? Like they were like talking to each other and like grunts and like church.
SPEAKER_02They just wanted to see if I would blow up on them. They were just like, please go nuts, guys.
SPEAKER_05They were like, they were like the toddler who's like, pay attention to me. Like, I'll act poorly so you can like reprimand me because I just want your attention.
SPEAKER_02It's like I was like, don't do it. And he's like, don't do it.
SPEAKER_01It's a Pyrrhic victory. If you take more than a moderate serving of candy, it's a Pyrrhic victory. Sure, you get the short-term win of getting a bunch of candy, but in the long run, you get cavities and a gut and diabetes. The hobby with Cage says, last minute question. Josh, how do you feel about Cage joining your national run and then vomiting after the first 100 yards?
SPEAKER_02I would pay to see that. Yes, please.
SPEAKER_01Maybe there's a one-of-one hat trade we can work out here.
SPEAKER_02I could get him to go farther than 100 yards. How about that?
SPEAKER_01Let's go. By the way, Splendid Steve says that Round Tree deserves prison if he actually executes that stunt.
SPEAKER_02Prison. Prison. Dude, finally.
SPEAKER_01PT prison time.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_01All right. That'll do it. Let's get to the let's get to some card questions. What inning are we in? Uh actually, was there already an inning question? Or I don't know. Okay. All right. I swear. Did I skip over the inning question? I thought the inning inning. Oh, yeah, yeah. What inning are we in? Okay. All right. Well, whatever. Maybe we'll get to the inning a little bit. Alright, so this question comes in from the currency project. George Condo is one of the contemporary arts top artists. How do you feel about his painted cards? This is the highest profile artist I'm aware of that's ever made a one-of-one. Mirakami did things with cards, but all graphic design prints. These condos are original paintings. And for maximum value, please share images of these paintings. So, for a little more context, at Fanatics Fest, there was a panel. It was actually my favorite part of the entire show. There was a panel with Michael Rubin, Tom Brady, Carl Anthony Towns, and the contemporary artist George Condo. And the reason why I like this panel was partially because I think art and cards is an interesting topic, and that was mainly the topic here. And they were all sort of talking about collecting cards, collecting art, our cards art, what are the overlaps, what are the differences. But the thing that I like the most was Michael Rubin was genuinely passionate about George Condo, the artist. George Kondo is famous for painting some of the album covers for Kanye West, but also he's had multiple paintings sell for seven figures. Very much a highly esteemed artist with a very distinct visual style. And Michael, the the thing that resonated me resonated with me the most was just that Michael Rubin was genuinely so excited to blend his world of collecting George Condo paintings, which he does. He actually looked over at Condo at one point and said, I'm heavily invested in your paintings. And then blending that with the sports card world, which he's also heavily invested in. And there was a there was an undeniable joy that he had to bring those two worlds together that was infectious. And George Condo actually painted 19 one-of-one cards that are going to be inserted in some forthcoming Tops project. I thought that was really cool. My favorite part of the show. So, Josh, do you by any chance could you pull up a screen that has some of these? Just maybe just like Google a George. Yeah, okay. Can I can I share your screen?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I have like an Instagram slide of all of it.
SPEAKER_01Perfect. All right, let's look at yeah. So here, these some of these were clearly taken from that panel. George Condo paints one-of-one trading cards. There he is painting some of them. There's Tom and Kat with theirs, but you can't really see them too closely. Okay, now we've got a close-up here of the Aaron Judge, the Carl Anthony Towns, and the Tom Brady. This is Condo's style, is like some sort of like uh exaggerated surrealism where like he purposefully distorts and changes things around. That's his style. Like that's the style that he used on Kanye's album designs. And there, yep, there's the Brady, all the lots of stuff like distorted and stuff. And it's very tough to paint. Like, that's one of the things that that he talked about on the panel. It's very difficult to paint a little two and a half by three and a half piece of cardboard. There's the towns. All right. So does anybody want to add anything on top of this?
SPEAKER_05I mean, the one thing that made me mad during the panel was that Michael Rubin said that with George Condo making these cards are now art. And that pissed me off because for the last like eight years I've been kind of like trumpeting cards are art already. Like they are art. So like that annoyed me. Also like I just I I like you find it difficult to paint at this scale. Like I know people who are painting at this scale. They're called the currency project who asked this question, and they don't seem to have it like maybe they can better describe how difficult it is painting at that scale.
SPEAKER_01But um let me read some comments of people reacting to the visuals. We've got this is nuts. Yeah, okay. So we we've we've got uh am I crazy? We've we've got the cat one of one gives me nightmares. I can't take this cat one off. We've got we've got uh that's hideous. What the fuck is this crap? This is worse than the Luber dolls. You can see him struggling to make these paintings in the video, which I loved. So here's the thing Condo wouldn't necessarily take offense to somebody saying these are not beautiful or these are like distorted or these are even ugly. Like that's part of the style, that's part of what he's trying to do is challenge things and represent things and repackage things and jolt the viewer out of their comfort and so on and so forth. So he's not trying to make them uh the most beautiful visual representations, he's trying to create his style. But these are definitely not anybody's first idea of beauty, or I don't think they are. Go ahead, John.
SPEAKER_02But his his like full-scale paintings, I can bring some of up, are way more like refined and organized, and like they look more legit. This this maybe it's because of the scale, like you said, but it just kind of seems like it's he struggled a bit to fit it properly.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_05Also, like use like there are ways that people like use like those big magnifying glasses and really thin brushes to make detail like at that scale. Like it just it seemed like he just didn't, and like he was like almost like told you have to make 19, like go do it. And he was like, Okay, fine, here. Like, I'm not going to test how I want to like implement this. I'm not going to do a trial and error. I'm not gonna get any additional tools, I'm just going to use the paintbrushes I have. And maybe I'm wrong, but it just it seemed like a little shoddy. Like it seemed a little put together, like last minute put together.
SPEAKER_01Ragnar says, No wonder Wemby shit his pants in the finals if that's what Kat looks like in person. My nephew who eat who eats his crayons and sticks pencils in his ears can make better art than this.
SPEAKER_02Sticks pencils in his ears.
SPEAKER_01Oh, so yeah, and sticks the pencils in his ears.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, they are not for the faint of heart.
SPEAKER_02Like, so when Kat saw it on stage, was he like, holy shit, what am I looking for?
SPEAKER_01He he definitely had a clear reaction when it got handed to him, but he was prepared in advance, like they know that this is what condo's art looks like. And Kondo wasn't just like a totally random commission, he has interviews and stuff where he's uh spoken about being a fan of sports, trying to play sports, and then not being good at sports, so he went into the arts, right?
SPEAKER_02So like Kat's publicist was like, dude, don't laugh, but it's gonna be insane.
SPEAKER_05Like he I like I know like he had sunglasses on.
SPEAKER_03Smart.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. And I noticed that, and I was like, it's not that bright in here. Like, what are you doing? No one else had sunglasses on. He was probably high, let's be honest. Like, um, and he had sunglasses on, and and then after we saw the card, I was like, Oh, I get it.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01All right. Uh, let's get to the next question here from Sean J. Cards. I would love to hear Josh talk about his decision to move a few of his key LeBron cards, just recalibrating slightly, or does this signal a shift in his collecting journey?
SPEAKER_02No thanks. Pass. When he says, would love to hear, and I I say, I bet you would. Why don't I why don't I just tell you what to buy next? How about that?
SPEAKER_01I love when somebody passes on a question. It's an option that people don't exercise enough.
SPEAKER_02Dude, at that, especially in politics, like you don't have to know the answer, buddy. Just move on.
SPEAKER_01Pass. Okay, and then uh here's a different question from Rexcart 24. Chris, the buyback 1993 Ultra Scoring Kings, Michael Jordan Autograph One of One. It sold last night for over $500,000. If you haven't seen that, that's a result from the Fanatics premiere.
SPEAKER_02I can pull up the premiere if you it helps.
SPEAKER_01Sure, yeah, that'd be that'd be super helpful. Let's let's let's give people a view of that card while we analyze it.
SPEAKER_05Why don't you finish the question while he pulls it up and then I'll I'll make the switch?
SPEAKER_01Okay, thank you. Okay, so the question continues. With it being a buyback from a 2008 product, but with a 1993 insert that's the underlying card that has been turned into a one of one. How do you think about this card in your larger categorization of 1990s Michael Jordan one of ones? Realizing that the one of one was created later, do you ignore it completely, or does it have some sort of asterisk, or does it mess with your framework? So this is a buyback. This card is numbered one of one. It does belong to the universe, broadly speaking, of Michael Jordan One of Ones. And it was issued in 2008-2009, which the accompanying uh card that comes with it, the uh COA that comes with it, uh states that it came from 2008-09 FLEAR. So it even belongs to the NBA licensed era of Michael Jordan One of Ones, which ran through 2009-10. So it even belongs to that group of one of ones, albeit in the category of buybacks. But is it a 90s Michael Jordan one of one? I find it hard personally to classify it as such. The underlying card is definitely a 90s card, but the one of one dimension to it wasn't added until 2008-09. So where I stand, this is a 2008-09 one of one and a great one of one, but not one belonging to the 90s. But uh the things like this are up to interpretation. Somebody could certainly argue that the underlying card is from the 90s, so there is some level of 90s-ness to this card. And that's about all I wanted to say on it. Uh, and you can see the card there on the screen. Uh, graded PSA Authentic Autograph 10 sold for over half a million dollars. There it is. It's a buyback. So, all right. Uh, next question we have here is from the great shoebox legends, Shane. Rarely miss a YouTube drop from him. He's one of my favorite content creators on YouTube. He asks, Does the present thriving sports card market have any impact on your hobby approach, or do you continue to plow forward undeterred? Josh.
SPEAKER_02So he's kind of saying like prices are really high. Should I keep going? Is that or is it like uh the new products with fanatics, or is it like the sports themselves? What do you think?
SPEAKER_01I think he's referring mostly to overall market prices being high, and not what he should do, but what are you doing? How are you navigating that?
SPEAKER_02Well, just trying to get stuff that I wouldn't be able to get. Uh like, you know, it's like, are some of the cards that we're after, are they gonna come up when the prices are down? If not, this is your only shot to get a lot of stuff. So that's kind of the way we always operate. And in a market like this, if I can get something back or I don't feel like it's irreplaceable, now's the time to sell, you know.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. And and he he made a nice video about that where he sold a Ken Griffey Thunderclap insert that had gotten quite high in a quite short amount of time. And he also was sort of saying when the market gets uh extremely pricey or feels quite high, that he turns to other hobbies for a little while, takes a little break, doesn't completely go away. I know he's he's putting out multiple videos a week still, like he's not gone away, but he you know he he's he sketched a path of you can hobby from a distance for a little while, or you can sell things that you think are high, and then he said you can uh flip the coin over and start moving forward from there, turn the coin over.
SPEAKER_02Maybe sell like the sell like the overly popular brands of cards and and try to like redistribute that money into lesser known brands that didn't triple in price just because nobody knows they exist, basically.
SPEAKER_01Totally, totally, but that's one approach, you know. It's one approach. Uh I don't know. I think like look, this is kind of a zag on a question like this, or at least defies conventional wisdom, but it's really fun to participate in the hobby when everything's going up and everybody feels great.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, I get that too. Yeah, we've tried to like fight that for years and be the ones that are the downers, but I totally get it. Totally understand it. It's more fun when everyone's making money.
SPEAKER_01It is, and like not just a little bit of money. People are people who collected cards even two to three years ago, but especially nine, ten years ago, are selling cards for really life-changing amounts of money right now. It's extraordinary. We're almost numb to it, used to it, have been through a few cycles of this. We're all believers in this space on a personal level. We just love to collect and be a part of this thing. But uh sometimes you I sometimes I snap out of it and I step back a little bit and I just say, This is not normal. This is extraordinary what this market is and how it works.
SPEAKER_02The other zag here is like the collectors who have stuck with it through these ups and downs. You know, we had a down in 2022, and the people who stuck with it and either kept their cards or doubled down and bought more, those people are the ones being rewarded from the new flood of people coming back in. And those are the ones that can take advantage of um selling at stuff that's really expensive, and then they can kind of readjust and make decisions for them their personal lives, or they can redistribute into different types of cards. So those it's nice to see those people get uh rewarded, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it is. Yes, it is. All right, let's go to this next question here from Drake's PC, who says? Oh, he's gonna be right back? Okay. Oh, I'm gonna take I'm gonna take a nap while you read this. Yeah, this is buckle in. This is gonna take a little while. In a scorching hot market like we are in now, what types of cards are you still okay buying? Similarly, when thinking of your own collections, if you have to sell to fund a purchase, how do you decide what card you're gonna move? I'm at a point in my collection where cards that I have would be impossible or nearly impossible to reacquire. For my topic tonight, I'm not asking about the easy answer of oh, just sell your less rare cards. For example, I'm not going after it, but the Peyton Manning 1998 Metal Gem Masters one of one rookie is coming to auction heritage next weekend. With the market as hot as it is, the card will likely do a crazy number. If I wanted that card, am I better off buying it now or waiting years from now? And maybe the market isn't so hot. And let's say I did go after it and won it. With my collection already filled with one of ones, how do I go about deciding which ones to sell to help pay for my new purchase? So I we always appreciate when Drake gives an example. The example is given. Christina, what do you advise Drake to do here?
SPEAKER_05I mean, we've at this point, like, does he want to just give us money and we'll like collect his PC for him?
SPEAKER_01Like Take it easy on the guy.
SPEAKER_05Like, I just like every time it's like, hey guys, I'm like struggling with this big decision, and it's like drinking.
SPEAKER_01He's in an existential collecting crisis.
SPEAKER_05Every time though, like have you seen his Instagram lately?
SPEAKER_02Go look at his Instagram. He has like 30 one-of-one patents, and that's like all he has now.
SPEAKER_00Let's go.
SPEAKER_02Okay, but like he's taking our advice to the max.
SPEAKER_01Dude, Drake is in the kitchen cooking. The chef's hat is puffed up, the spatula is flipping.
SPEAKER_05So, like to me, it's just like, okay, make do like occasion, make a hierarchy of your one of ones, then. Like, and then like don't think about oh, are we showing this? Or no, oh, um, like go through what you own and the other one of ones, do research, figure out which one speaks to you the most, which one, which design you love the most. Are you sticking with playing years? Do you want to look for rookies? Like make your make your own hierarchy and then go after the top ones that you find the most appealing. Like the ones, like someone talked about Marie Kondo earlier as a joke with like um, but like which ones spark the joy? Like, are there ones that you're like, I like it because it's a one-of-one, but I love this design. Like, then go after the love, like stop. Yeah, I don't know. That's the only advice I have for him.
SPEAKER_01Love the idea of making a list and then like making that list before you know what's available, and then it can guide you when the emotion strikes and the FOMO strikes of like a big card coming out. Like, well, where did you rank that card before you knew it was available compared to all the other ones? And that can be a decent compass. What do you say, Josh?
SPEAKER_02He wants to know if he should sell his credentials rookie in exchange for this gem master. Yeah, he's like, because he's sold a lot of other his other stuff that's not one of ones in order to consolidate down to the one of ones. And what else is left to get the gem master? You gotta decide. Do you want the one that the hobby deems as the better card in the credentials out of seven? I think he has the PSA 9 highest graded, or do you value the one that is the one of one and this is your only shot at getting? Because in the down market, there's no guarantee that that gem master is coming back, but that credential will come back. There's seven of them. You'll eventually be able to get that back. I feel like he's had that shot at the credentials twice.
SPEAKER_01If he could trade the credentials straight up straight up for the gem masters, correct.
SPEAKER_02That's the question.
SPEAKER_01That's that's not a question.
SPEAKER_02We're dancing around that question, though, is what I'm saying. That is the question.
SPEAKER_01That's a crazy question.
SPEAKER_02I know, but that's what it because you know, like there's just this sort of underlying unspoken thing in the hobby that's like, well, that's you know the The 101 thing is cool, Chris. Nice job. Bravo, but like not the credentials. You don't actually think that like the credentials now out of seven or whatever, that's where you draw the line. The PMG green, you draw the line there, right? You're not, you don't actually think the one-on-one is better than that one. And that's kind of where people are they're like walking all the way up to that line right now, and they're trying to decide, okay, the PMGs, you've got me convinced, right? 50 is too much. But nine and seven, and that this is like the rookie, and he's wearing the practice jersey versus the college jersey. So we're like inching closer and closer.
SPEAKER_01College jersey is a consideration, don't you think?
SPEAKER_02Yes. I like the other masterpiece he had before as well, because he was wearing the pro jersey more than this one. But I mean, it's still NFL licensed, right? Or no? Oh, yeah. He's just wearing it because of the photo choice. Like it says Colts on the card.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yep, that's a full-blown NFL card.
SPEAKER_02But and I'm pretty sure he has the PMG championship, right? He could just sell that one. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05I also don't like the hypothesis that, like, oh, I'll just buy it later. Like, what happens if someone who is going to be a black hole of a collector or is a black hole collector buys it? You're never seeing that card again. Like, I just I don't like the idea that oh, it's a one of one, but like I don't want to pay hot market prices. I'll just wait for it to come to sale again. It's like it's it's a fucking one of one. Like, what do you mean? What do you like for the guy to die? Like I don't know. Anyway.
SPEAKER_00Best of blood.
SPEAKER_02I have his showcase up. I don't think he's like fully updated on this because I see some I know he's sold, but like I see a lot of candidates that can get the chop. Get that chop. What these guys are these cards are chopped.
SPEAKER_01Ragnar says that the 98 Gem Masters is the greatest football card ever, and Peyton Manny is the best player in the set, and he's a rookie. Bro, there's your there's your shelf. There's your elevator pitch. What can dude? Can we pull up Drake's Instagram for a second and just like no no?
SPEAKER_02I have his like actual showcase and it's like more organized. Instagram is all over the place.
SPEAKER_01I love Instagram, but please, let's look at it. Let's go through and play a game of chop or not chop.
SPEAKER_02This is a new this is a new segment sponsored by whatever. And it's called Chopped or Not Chop. I think he sold this one. I'm like 99% sure he sold this to pay one of his superior. He needs chop.
SPEAKER_01Chop at right now, buddy.
SPEAKER_02So we're saying chop, chop is get rid of it, not chop is keep it.
SPEAKER_05Right. Like chop, cut it off.
SPEAKER_02Holy LARP with the Tennessee jersey. Yep. Chop chop.
SPEAKER_00Was that out of 25 in football too? I think it's out of 25 billion.
SPEAKER_01Might as well be.
SPEAKER_05No, it definitely says out of 25 on his.
SPEAKER_01Whenever a non-one of one shows up on my screen, it actually blurs out. I can't even see it.
SPEAKER_02Like if someone, if someone at the national brings you a card, hit the recycling bin handy.
SPEAKER_01You're gonna be like, whoa. What's this? 2000 leaf certified two-star Miragold chop. 25. 25. It's only 24 too many. Oh, 2013 Tops Chrome Super Factor. This is the first one that I have to think about.
SPEAKER_02Well, of course. Come on, we're skipping that one. This I think he sold this one too, maybe. The Breeze Finest 2011. I would keep all this Breeze 101. I don't know why he's selling those. I would keep all those. Those are sick.
SPEAKER_01Those are cool.
SPEAKER_02But is Breeze gonna throw less yards? The guy has like seven trillion passing yards. And a Super Bowl. I don't get it.
SPEAKER_01Splenda says to chop anything Denver. Our 2012 finest super Peyton Denver PSA 8.
SPEAKER_02I think all of his favorite cards are Denver.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. He has some of the Prism Blacks for Denver and select blacks.
SPEAKER_02Look at this chop. He's gonna watch this and be like, God damn it, you guys are you can chop that Prism Brilliance. I don't know anything about this wrestling stuff.
SPEAKER_01Gold chop chop.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, 10.
SPEAKER_01I don't think that's moved the needle either way, folks. Look at this card. 20 is a finest super Payton Colts. Not not chop.
SPEAKER_02That's like a superfractor if a superfractor had a baby. Look at that thing.
SPEAKER_01That looks more like a super fractor than a superfractor does.
SPEAKER_02It's a super fracture if the superfractor had a baby with another superfractor. Superfractor squared. Look at that thing.
SPEAKER_01That's card rules. All right, what do we have here?
SPEAKER_02That one's out of 10, I think.
SPEAKER_05Chop.
SPEAKER_02Chop. This is the one I'm telling you. Like, he's just asking, but not asking about this card. And I get why people like this one. Yeah. Yep. There's seven. Chop.
SPEAKER_05Chop. Jinx.
SPEAKER_02I would even keep this kind of stuff too. Like everyone in the world is gonna say sell this one over or something like this. Get to the chopper. But that card's sick. I would keep this one.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's cool. That shield.
SPEAKER_02If that's game used, even.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but I bet it is.
SPEAKER_00This card's out of a hundred.
SPEAKER_05Chop. Stop it.
SPEAKER_01I love I love how those look. I really love that effect. Yeah, but it'll like collector's choice. But yeah, you don't have a chop.
SPEAKER_05It'll come back. Like that's the one you buy in the down market.
SPEAKER_02I'm a big fan of the young Peyton Manning photos. He's so look at this, dude. 1998. These are crazy. Vibrant. Chop. A ruby's chop, please. These are the ones out of 25, too. These are the rare ones.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Better than out of 50, but still.
SPEAKER_02Dude, look at that combover. He looks his mom did his hair that morning.
SPEAKER_01Straight off the set of Dawson's Creek. Let's go.
SPEAKER_05He was then like just say like Garsky Blues or Friday Night Lights, like some kind of football movie. You're like, no, the teen drama. It's all the same genre.
SPEAKER_01What do you think about this one? Shield, autograph, Colts, one of one. Exquisite. No, we're not chopped. We're only chopping that if we really need to. We're keeping that.
SPEAKER_02This one's at a 50.
SPEAKER_05Chop.
SPEAKER_01Chop.
SPEAKER_05Again, like these are things that like people will sell all the time.
SPEAKER_02He's like definitely whittling down his PSA 10s that are this one's at 101. And the pop is probably really low on this one.
SPEAKER_03But yeah.
SPEAKER_02Do I care about having a PSA 10 of this? I'll just get a PSA 6.
SPEAKER_01I hear that. What's this? Stadium Club?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02Out of 25.
SPEAKER_01I love the photo. I love how they left so much negative space above him.
SPEAKER_02That is a really sick, sick looking card.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's a great photo. But that can be a good one.
SPEAKER_02Oh, look at this one.
SPEAKER_01Whew. Gold label? You gotta keep that one, buddy. Got a good feeling about those gold label one of ones.
SPEAKER_02We make this real easy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's a one-on-one.
SPEAKER_01Keep that one.
SPEAKER_00Topscro. That's the 08 super. This card is nuts. You can keep that one. That one's last out. You let him?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I let him. Why is it in here twice? He likes it that much.
SPEAKER_02I would not sell this one either. I think he sold this breeze. I wouldn't have sold this one.
SPEAKER_01Breeze uh 2012 Top Scrum Super. The card's nuts. Yeah, the supers look great with the Saints colors.
SPEAKER_00Sheesh. Look at this one. Shield, that's sick. That's game used. Game day jerseys. Let's go.
SPEAKER_05I like how they have the picture of the actual, like what I assume is the actual jersey.
SPEAKER_00Right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05That's really cool.
SPEAKER_01That was a thing.
SPEAKER_05They should bring that back.
SPEAKER_01They should. They definitely should. Okay. These platinum medallions and prism golds are all in the chopping block, Drake.
SPEAKER_02I don't even know if he has any of these anymore.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he might not.
SPEAKER_05He should really update his uh collection.
SPEAKER_02That's stolen valor, Drake. He's got a lot of he's got a lot of pictures of a Hulk Hogan taking his shirt off. I'm just gonna say it. Keep all those. So it's this card, right? Someone's gonna do that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's the gem masters of that.
SPEAKER_02So it's kind of uh let me just say this without everyone freaking out. It's like the copper brown looking one.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01Yep. How dare you say that?
SPEAKER_02Because the basketball gem masters clearly look better. You know, they got like the silver shimmer. The the football ones are kind of football.
SPEAKER_01Got that gem masters design too, but in the second year, right?
SPEAKER_02But this would be the rookie, and it says Colts, it's NFL license, it's fine. Yep.
unknownYep.
SPEAKER_02All right, too much of this. I'm done. I'm out.
SPEAKER_01Cool PC, man. He's got a lot of awesome cards. Can't wait to see him sell them all.
SPEAKER_02I'm a big fan of just having a trimming down, just get down to like the only paid manning one-on-ones. Then you're really frying.
SPEAKER_01All roads lead. All right. Weekends for cards said, are there any cards you would consider owning if they were Franken Wagner reconstructed? Do you know what that means?
SPEAKER_02I absolutely know what that means.
SPEAKER_01Let's go. All right, so no.
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_05Um, yes.
SPEAKER_03Go on.
SPEAKER_052020 Prism, Neon Green out of five, Maxi Kleva. I will take a corner of that card, like, and then count this rainbow done.
SPEAKER_01That's a good one. A lot of vintage and pre-war collectors feel very strongly and have deep, complicated, nuanced thoughts on this topic. And I don't think it's our lane. But do we want to provide any perspective as like late 90s, 2000s, and Panini era collectors on how we feel about the fact that Keith Olberman owned a T206, Hannes Wagner, that had Wagner cut out in a silhouette and the background of the card removed. And then that card was later fused together by very skilled uh conservators, I think they're called, who fused that Wagner with the background from a different T206 card and seamlessly integrated them to make a new whole and complete card that was subsequently authenticated and encapsulated, I believe, by CGC. And now it's coming up for auction and raises all sorts of questions about how much restoration is permissible. And what do you do with the fact that it actually looks quite beautiful and it has great eye appeal for a card from that set after it had been worked on? What do you say to any of that, Josh?
SPEAKER_02Nope. No, thank you. No alteration restoration stuff. As is all natural, baby.
SPEAKER_05I agree.
SPEAKER_02All natural.
SPEAKER_01Oh, the hair plugs, Wagner, the steroids, Wagner. Go ahead, Christina. What do you say?
SPEAKER_05I agree. Like, I I just I don't, I'm not a fan of this. Like, I I think that art restoration makes sense because those are one of a kind hand created pieces of artwork. Cards are printed like artwork. And I think that when it comes to printed artwork, you don't get to restore it. Reprint it.
SPEAKER_01All right, there you have it. Sports cards PhD weighs in with this question. Can you speak on the similarities of the exponential rise of goat cards to the similar trend of COVID? I'm seeing similar movement as that time. And although it's not unestablished players or base PSA 10s this time, some of the base and the non-rare goat cards are rising out of control. I believe the 1997 base metal universe Michael Jordan has gone from $300 to $600 in less than two weeks. Everyone keeps saying it's different this time, but I'm seeing unsustainable growth in non-rare cards of these GOAT players. Is it truly different this time, or can you see a correction of maybe not all, but at least non-rare goat cards? What do you say to that, Josh?
SPEAKER_02I mean, what would cause a card like that to organically grow 2x in a week when once that happens, a ton of them are gonna come out. And we'll see if it actually sustains at that point. It probably won't just because supply is gonna jump. I mean, this is just the same as the first time. It's like uh the that's when you know that the peak of the craziness is happening when it starts trickling down to base PSA 10s and people are talking about Zion coming back and stuff like that. It's just we'll tuck ourselves into anything.
SPEAKER_01Yep. Yep, definitely. There are similarities, and it's the rate of growth, which sports cards PhD points out that is one of the similarities. And the rate of growth is a real issue if people are coming in continuing, uh expecting that rate of growth to continue. And the constraint is very simply, it's not that people are gonna stop liking cards or anything like that. I think people almost have infinite demand for cards, or people have the aspiration to just infinitely add cards to their collection and infinitely scale them up to the very best cards that they can identify that they like. The the constraint is not desire, the constraint is not demand. The constraint is budget, the constraint is price, the constraint is how high can a card get price-wise before the people who currently are in the hobby no longer have any more money to spend, and the new people coming in, bringing new money into the hobby, exhaust their reserves as well. That's sort of a ticking time bomb. And then once those reserves are exhausted, the reservoir has gotten larger in terms of the total market cap or the total amount of capital that's allocated to cards, but then at that point it has to start rotating. There's no more new capital to come in. Now it just moves. Like now, you know, somebody who is who owns a base metal universe, Michael Jordan, that's $600, says, Yeah, I don't like this card at this price because I'm out of new money, so I need to get money from the cards that I already have, and I could certainly find better ways to spend it. And so that can start the cascading effect of prices trickling back down. That's the capital ecosystem of this of this broader discussion, is that without a continuous replenishment of more and more money coming in, this won't be sustainable. Uh, not at the current rates of growth. And every time prices go up, the new people who come in need to bring in even more capital just to even try to make the rate of growth sustainable. That's the big picture topic that I think about constantly when I think about prices. I there's nothing intrinsic to a card. People love cards. People, if people had infinite money, they would continuously compete and drive with the price of cards. The constraint is that people don't have infinite money, they have limited budgets. What do you think about that, Josh?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's great. I mean, people are now having to like sell what they bought in the in this current run to try to continue the push forward with replenishing cash and buying different cards. And so to your point, the the current constraint is going to be the cash. The funny thing though is that I do feel like we have more cash this time around because we're not we have none of that cash going to crypto and NFT this time. It's all coming our way. No, I haven't seen anyone talk about the fact that we've got this massive run-up in cards right now, and everyone's so excited, and all that stuff is just completely set aside and trashed. And we're just supposed to be like, oh, okay, well, that you know, NFTs went down because everything went down, it was too hype, but then cards came back. So what's the excuse now? It's that nobody actually ever gave a shit about that stuff. So victory lap and enhanced.
SPEAKER_01Dude, hashtag victory lap enhanced. Can I get a stive arm wax comment on that? Christine.
SPEAKER_02There is more there is more cash than than last time. I will say that though.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Uh Chris and plus, like those of us who stuck around, and there's plenty of us, we kept making more cash every month. We kept getting a little more money to put into cards. It can be a growing pool, but the question is the rate of growth. Like our disposable income isn't doubling in two weeks, but the price of cards is doubling every two weeks. That is really the sustainability concern. Christina, go ahead.
SPEAKER_05What was the oh, there he is. Never mind. I was gonna ask. I don't have anything to add.
SPEAKER_01Okay, because we're we're coming up on the hour here, so we're about to wrap it. We're about to see everybody in a few days at the national.
SPEAKER_02Hopefully, not everybody.
SPEAKER_01Well, somebody's that would be crazy. Yeah. We're gonna see somebody's.
SPEAKER_05Um, we're definitely gonna see Drake.
SPEAKER_01I hope so. He better come and show us some bring your PC, Drake, with a bunch of sticky notes, and we'll do chop, not chopped, live.
SPEAKER_05Dude, Drake, I will bring the post-its, you bring the cards, and we will all vote. Look, I have three different colors for us. We will vote on what cards get chopped live at the card letter booth.
SPEAKER_02We didn't do our uh obligatory advice for national wear comfy shoes, chargers, et cetera, et cetera. But I do have one request. If you come to our booth, bring cards, let us look at some dang cards, please.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_02We love looking at it. Even though it's like the card ladder booth, it's corporate, it's business. You can always outsmart us by showing us cards.
SPEAKER_01That's so true. That's really true.
SPEAKER_02And then it's like, oh, what's my password? Help me reset it. Oh, god, you got me. Do the old bait and switch.
SPEAKER_05Josh, look at this cool card. I need to reset my password.
SPEAKER_02Works every time. Or steal the candy and get me to scream at you. Good luck.
SPEAKER_01Midlife Greg says, You'll see me. I know that. Good. Can't wait to see you, buddy. All right, that's gonna do it.
SPEAKER_05Let's uh see us there.
SPEAKER_01It's title picking time. Who said that?
SPEAKER_05Josh Adams.
SPEAKER_01Let's go. Josh with the bagels. Dude, everything bagel, buddy, with cream cheese.
SPEAKER_05Egg bagel, please.
SPEAKER_01Please. All right, Christina. Let's read some titles.
SPEAKER_05All right. We have everybody is forced to pay attention. Fast ball down a slow lane.
SPEAKER_02I like that one. That's good.
SPEAKER_05Our booth is 2326. Don't let that hat hit the flippers, Vork. Text.
SPEAKER_01I'm just assuming they're I think that's just a comment he made, but it's a good oh my bad.
SPEAKER_05Top's chest.
SPEAKER_01He just likes his comments.
SPEAKER_05Security enforcement. Cavities, a gut, and diabetes. And victory lap enhanced.
SPEAKER_01That's a late riser. Or a late bloomer. At Victory Lap Enhanced.
SPEAKER_02Dude, nobody has been talking about it. It's just bothering me. Out of sight, not a mind. I hate when people don't take accountability for their stupid, stupid takes. Well, what do we do? I mean I like fastball.
SPEAKER_05At this point, like if you still have like a NFT as your profile picture, does that just enrage you? Like when you see those Josh?
SPEAKER_02Those people just like every time I see one of those, they're always posting about like the wax of Pokemon they have in their basement or something. It's like an AI picture usually, but it's like, I've taken all my NFT money and moved. Well, then change your profile pic.
SPEAKER_01Stip says, What about chopped and not chopped?
SPEAKER_02That's pretty good.
SPEAKER_01That is good. That was, I think that was the peak of the show. The on the fly decimation of Drake's.
SPEAKER_02He's like, it took me a year to get that, and I spent like two months salary, you dicks.
SPEAKER_01Oh, chopped and not chopped.
SPEAKER_05I'm ready for him to come to the card letter booth and just like yell at all of us. Like I'm okay with that. Like if that's how he wants to react, I'm okay with it.
SPEAKER_02If he ends if that gets him the gym master, then we'll have done our job. You know, it's like as parents, you're not you're not trying to be their friend. You're trying to chop love. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Is it chopped and not chopped, or chopped or not chopped? Chopped or not chopped.
SPEAKER_05Or just chopped or not.
SPEAKER_02Like someone's gonna think it's a cooking show, right? Like one of those like cooking challenge shows or whatever.
SPEAKER_05I think that is a show, chopped.
SPEAKER_02Hmm. I thought that was for like motorcycles.
SPEAKER_01And is it technically chop or not chopped or chopped or not chopped?
SPEAKER_02I think it's chopped or not chopped.
SPEAKER_01All right. Chopped or not chopped.
SPEAKER_02Dude, we had that kid explain to us chopped in great detail, and we still aren't even sure.
SPEAKER_01What was that name? Jagger.
SPEAKER_02Jagger. I do you know. Did I tell you that's where I got this? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01No. Yep, that's so funny. That's amazing.
SPEAKER_02He posted he posted it to his story, and I was like, Jagger, let's go.
SPEAKER_01Steve says, I hope Drake doesn't bring a single card to your booth and he takes two pieces of candy. I love a Zag. Smart.
SPEAKER_05If Drake comes to the booth, I'll give him an entire bag of candy.
SPEAKER_01Drake will not take it. Drake.
SPEAKER_05I know.
SPEAKER_01Drake would never take a bag of candy, but he might take a is there like a hoodie rule or something, like a battle?
SPEAKER_02Because people are just like already asking me, how do I get a hoodie? And I'll it's like, oh god, if you don't get there and when we have them, I can't. I'm not gonna control this.
SPEAKER_01Do not bank on Christina shipping it to you, I'll tell you that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no don't bank on any of us remembering it.
SPEAKER_05My living room is still filled with boxes from the West Coast card show, like post-card show, that need to get shipped out. Like, I have a pile of boxes that I need to go to ship, and I just like have not done it. So if you do not come to the card letter booth to get your hoodie on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday morning as a card ladder member, we cannot guarantee that you will get a hoodie because starting Friday at noon, supplies are limited, folks. Anyone who wants a hoodie gets a hoodie. First thing before that, you have to be a card ladder member.
SPEAKER_02FIFO.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Did you get more? Did you get more mediums and larges and extra larges than last year?
SPEAKER_05And less of the smalls and I I like yes, like I I I had notes from West Coast of what we had too much of. So yeah, so I rearranged the numbers, but like we still do have extra smalls and smalls because there were kids that like didn't. Yes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Because there's gonna be people that are like, I can't believe you got rid of them all, didn't set one aside for me. And I'm gonna be like, you and 50 other people, pal.
SPEAKER_05Dude, I've like people have been saying that to me, and I'm like, you better just come to the booth. Like, there is no set aside. Like I'm not setting aside like I'm not setting aside hoodies for me. Like, it's if I like I have to grab them, like if I want them, so do you. Come to the booth, give us the special phrase, be a card letter.
SPEAKER_00What's the special phrase?
SPEAKER_02Like, show us your pro membership.
SPEAKER_01What's the special phrase? I have no idea what it is. I this does sound familiar though.
SPEAKER_05That's how we did it last year.
SPEAKER_01But what is it? Are you not? Are you gonna give it away or no?
SPEAKER_05No.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_05Oh that's part of it.
SPEAKER_01So nobody gets the hoodie.
SPEAKER_05No.
SPEAKER_02I'll be surprised if you and me get hoodies, Chris. I have so many of those already. I feel like I don't even know.
SPEAKER_01Cage said, would Drake trade the bag of small candies for one big candy?
SPEAKER_02Do you know if we're right by the uh AC vent again?
SPEAKER_05We're in like where we were last year, but uh 15 feet closer to the emergency exit where there used to be a very large aisle, we got moved into what used to be the aisle behind us.
SPEAKER_02So we're like even closer to the AC.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So the hoodies are gonna be necessary.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, plus it's supposed to like rain on Friday. So if you do not plan on bringing proper equipment, clothing for Friday, come to the booth on Thursday and get a hoodie.
SPEAKER_02People are gonna now like use that. What am I gonna do without a hoodie?
SPEAKER_00I can't believe he gave it away. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Alright, chopped or not chopped is the official episode title. See some of you next week.
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