{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":15.66,"endTime":16.669,"body":"Hello, everyone."},{"startTime":17.14,"endTime":18.289,"body":"It's Angeline Chen."},{"startTime":18.63,"endTime":22.669,"body":"Welcome to Immigration Today, where I"},{"startTime":18.63,"endTime":22.669,"body":"interview leaders, advocates, experts, and"},{"startTime":22.669,"endTime":27.469,"body":"volunteers in immigration and immigrant"},{"startTime":22.669,"endTime":27.469,"body":"rights on the issues, their experiences,"},{"startTime":27.689,"endTime":29.539,"body":"and how you can make a difference."},{"startTime":29.685,"endTime":34.525,"body":"This podcast is intended for general"},{"startTime":29.685,"endTime":34.525,"body":"informational purposes only and does"},{"startTime":34.525,"endTime":38.175,"body":"not constitute legal advice or a"},{"startTime":34.525,"endTime":38.175,"body":"solicitation to provide legal services."},{"startTime":38.605,"endTime":41.724,"body":"The information in this 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