The Healing Power of Smut Part 3: The Positive Effects of Reading on Women's Sexuality and Confidence with Emmie Florence

Ep 587: The Healing Power of Smut Part 3: The Positive Effects of Reading Smut on Women's Sexuality, Empowerment, Pleasure, Confidence, Body Positivity and Healing with reader and writer Emmie Florence. 

Topics Discussed: 

Erotica Authors, Creative Nonfiction, Female Empowerment, Kink Communities, Smut Journey, Women’s Sexuality, Body Positivity, Fantasy Exploration, Community Building, Sexual Liberation, Reading Smut, Diverse Erotica, Empowering Narratives, Female Pleasure, Smut Recommendations, Non-Judgmental Spaces, Emotional Healing

Guest Bio:

M. Florence is a Midwestern, GenX multi-genre writer. She works, teaches, and (sometimes) writes. Her work has been published in Prairie Home Magazine and Bending Genres. She holds a PhD in smut reading and is ready to talk all things monster and dark romance. You can find her chatting up smut writers at @mflorence.bsky.social.

Kink 22: https://www.ryn-rehnard.com/guest-writers/2159247_kink-22-by-m-florence-nswf

Erotic short: https://prairiehomemag.com/lower/

Episode Summary:

In this exciting episode of Oh F*ck Yeah, Ruan Willow, it's a deep dive into the transformative world of erotica with the talented writer Emmie Florence. Together, they explore the healing power of smut, discussing how reading and writing erotic literature can empower women and foster self-acceptance. Emmie shares her personal journey and reads her provocative piece, "Kink 22," which captures the complexities of desire and submission.

The discussion challenges societal norms surrounding female sexuality, celebrates the diversity of erotic literature, and highlight the importance of community within the smut world. From recommendations of must-read smutty erotica authors to the liberating experience of embracing one's desires, this episode is a heartfelt conversation about finding joy and empowerment through the written word. And above all, pleasure.

Episode Timeline:
00:00 - New series, The Healing Power of Smut
00:57 - Emmie Florence talks about the healing power of smut
07:18 - The diversity within smut or erotica or dark romance is incredible
08:32 - Being a woman isn't just one thing
09:57 - The level of acceptance in the smut community is much greater than traditional book groups
13:41 - Reading erotica has given me a better relationship with my body
18:49 - The last piece of this is, I think, the trickiest part
21:36 - One thing I really love to focus on in my writing is female pleasure
25:30 - The more smut you can read, the better

Narration of Emma's Policy mentioned in the podcast episode: https://books.ruanwillowauthor.com/emmaspolicyaudiobook

Season's Teasings: Snowbound Seductions Anthology a collection of erotic fiction (affiliate links): https://books.ruanwillowauthor.com/seasonsteasingssnowboundseductions

Transcript

Season 5, Episode 587. The Healing Power of Smut Part 3: The Positive Effects of Reading Smut on Women's Sexuality, Empowerment, Pleasure, Confidence, Body Positivity and Healing with reader and writer Emmie Florence

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Ruan Willow talks about their new series, The Healing Power of Smut

>> Ruan Willow: Hello, everyone. This is Ru and Willow, and I'm super excited about this new series that I'm doing. I got so many people interested in doing it that I'm turning it actually into a series. The Healing Power of Smut. This is Ruin Willow with the. Oh, fuck, yeah. With Ruin Willow podcast. You can find my podcast on all the audio podcast apps and also Ruin Willow podcastaster on YouTube and substack, and I also have an extra one on Spotify. I'm also on the full SWAP radio, Internet radio station, and you can also find me on Pod Nation Media, which is a, channel that is on Roku TV and Fire TV devices. So those are all the places you can find me. And I'm super excited to talk with this person. I'm an erotica author myself. I'm an audiobook narrator, and I'm a blogger and obviously a podcaster.


Emmie Florence (M. Florence) talks about the healing power of smut

So right now, I would love to introduce you to my guest. This is Emmy Florence, who is going to read a little short for us. She writes shorts, and then we're going to talk about this healing power of smut and the positive thoughts on reading smut and the benefits. So welcome, Emmy. I'm so excited to talk with you.

>> Emmy Florence: Thanks, Ruin. Thanks for having me. It is a pleasure to be here.

>> Ruin Willow: I'm really excited to talk with you. This is a topic that needs to be talked about, and it's something that gets bashed a lot and. But there's so many people that believe what we believe, that there is a.

>> Emmy Florence: Healing power of smut, 100%. And, you know, I'm excited to have the opportunity to come on here and encourage people, especially women. And I'll just throw this out here. I am a Gen X woman. We are not having this conversation nearly enough. And we are the group that needs this information. We need to open up, and to give you a little bit of my perspective, I would love to read my piece. I think that might kind of set up. I'm viewing my Smut journey. It's a piece called Kink 22. Baby, I love you. And I love how you love me. Love how your hands explore the curves of my body. Love your lips nuzzling against the side of my neck just behind my ear. Love feeling connected to you. Love how you make me feel sexy and safe and cherished. Love how you worship my body. Your tender touches traveling softly over my skin. I can love your gentleness and still desire something different, darker, rougher. There are things I want you to do to me, need you to do to Me, the thought of which makes my body ache, makes my mouth dry and my folds wet, thoughts that make my cheek burn in shame and want and need. My desire isn't polite, reserved, or quiet. It's ugly, bold, and demanding. My desire doesn't give a shit about my feminist ideology or my body politics or my progressive upbringing. My desire fucks with my head. It's taboo and tawdry. I've tried to keep it locked up and hidden, but unfulfilled. Longing and yearning has a way of seeping through, tightly packaged restraint. Baby, I need you to take what isn't given. I want the chase, the struggle, and the submission. I want you to overpower me, claim me, take control, make me small, make me scared, make me beg, make me cry, make me come. Therein lies the dilemma, the paradox. I know you're not the beast I crave. Your hands were made for caressing, not clawing. Your mouth built for kissing, not biting. The more I reassure you, the more consent I grant, the more I make it safe for you to explore this primal space, the less delicious it is for me. The more we negotiate, the more we talk about the dynamics and the repercussions and the rigid criteria, the less it satiates me. How can you take what is freely given, Force what has been offered, steal what is entrusted, claim what is already yours? Baby, I love you. And I love how you love me. I would also love how you break me, destroy me, wreck me, ruin me. I love the man, but I craved the monster. Mike Kink, 22.

>> Ruin Willow: Very powerful and very amazing and very intense, primal. Very lovely. I loved it.

>> Emmy Florence: Thank you. Thanks. M. I write in a genre called creative nonfiction. And the big secret there is that creative nonfiction is 100% true. It forces you to examine how you really feel. You can't hide behind characters, so.

>> Ruin Willow: Right. That's interesting. Yeah. Because, like, when I write, I write, you know, fiction. I do write some nonfiction, too, but, you know, I put some of myself in some characters, but I never have put my full self in a character. There's just pieces of me all over all of my writing.

>> Emmy Florence: Yeah. And taking that leap into creative nonfiction. And this is actually part of my smut journey. My smut odyssey is not just writing the content, but having the courage and the vulnerability to share this. And because I think I'm not the only person that feels this way. I think that there's not enough real work written. Real poetry, real memoirs, real narrative written by women, or others who. Who are craving something outside of the relationship that they Find themselves in.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, 100%. Yeah.

>> Emmy Florence: And we don't really have a safe space for this. This is something that is not kind of acceptable. It's not a polite conversation. It's not something that the, soccer moms talk about over wine coolers at the Fern Bar. Like, is just not something. I mean, we're luck. I'm lucky if we can talk about Bridgerton, let alone, you know.

>> Ruin Willow: Yeah.

>> Emmy Florence: What it feels like to desire something or to feel different. And as, you know, learning about smut and starting to fall into some smut communities, meeting authors, people that are involved in voice acting, people that are illustrators and artists, people that are comfortable exposing and sharing their, their sexually driven art. That is a rush and, and, it's part of a community. Right. You're not alone. Like, there are a lot of people that think the way that you think the way that we think.

>> Ruin Willow: Absolutely. And it's wonderful to find those people in those communities. And there's so many people out there. And I get to talk to a lot of them doing this podcast, you know, like, I get to talk to anyone from, you know, professionals who are doctors, therapists, people who are porn stars. I've.


The diversity within smut or erotica or dark romance is incredible

I've interviewed several porn stars. I've interviewed tons of erotica authors. An audiobook, I just did an audiobook narrator. It's amazing. There are so many people out there who are erotic. And it's not like it's, you know, blatant out there because a lot of our society, our culture, is puritanical, but there are people everywhere. And, the more I do this podcast, the more I realize how many communities there really are out there.

>> Emmy Florence: Yeah. That is something that the diversity within'say, smut or erotica or dark romance is so incredible. The amount and it's interesting. I mean, I've been a lifelong reader, and in fact, my smut odyssey started at the library. Right.

>> Ruin Willow: Nice. I love it.

>> Emmy Florence: But there is so much more diversity. It's rare that I'll pick up a science fiction book and say, oh, that's something I never thought about. I mean, you kind of recognize what's going on. Or even fantasy. It's rare that I pick up a book about wizards and go, oh, I learned something new.

>> Ruin Willow: Right? Right.

>> Emmy Florence: I'm going to tell you, I open up my book funnel list and, I learn something new every day.

>> Ruin Willow: M Amazing. I love it.


M. M. Bennett: Being a woman isn't just one thing

Now, what do you think is positive about smart? M. I know've we've said this, but if you were to put it into a Couple of sentences that how you feel or you know, where you are in your journey, what would you say?

>> Emmy Florence: So I guess a couple of insights. One is that being a woman and my perspective as, as a woman isn't just being one thing. And I think in kind of the way that I've traditionally viewed my life. I work, I'm a wife, I'm a mother, I'm a great daughter, I do all, I'm part of my community. But it feels like there's kind of one thing. I'm a good girl, I do good things, I try to help the world. And in the books that I read, the characters aren't just one thing. Typically well written erotica. The characters are nuanced. They are smart women who make terrible decisions. They have all different body types. They end up with characters that traditionally would think, oh gosh, I can't believe they're together. But the chemistry there is so incredible when you get into things like for example, monster smut and the idea of being attracted to something that is ugly or scary, or that can hurt you. Right. There's all of these different kinds of permutations of relationships.


The level of acceptance in the smut community is much greater than traditional book groups

Which just brings me to my, my second kind of insight about not yucking a yum.

>> Ruin Willow: Yes.

>> Emmy Florence: So not everything I read I enjoy. So there are some things I read and I go, ah, that really wasn't my cup of tea. U. and as I talk to people, I, I have a self professed PhD in smut reading. People ask me lot, love it for recommendations. And, and the first question I'll ask is what are you into? Because right, you may be into a fetish that isn't my cup of tea. But honestly I've probably read a book that I think would be a good fit for you. And so it is the ability to read something that doesn't resonate with me. But I can still appreciate that for someone this is a really sensual experience. Being touched in that place or whatever that act is. It's incredible. And it can be well written and it can be sexy even if I don't envision myself as one of the characters in that moment. So that's. The level of acceptance in the smut community is much greater than I find in maybe other traditional book groups where if you have a contrary opinion, right. You're, you don't get invited to the next one.

>> Ruin Willow: Right. Like the you know, and this is how it used to be on Twitter, which I still call it Twitter, I'n go call fucking X. There used to be such A great erotica community there. And they are. Erotica authors are so amazing. Like the community is fantastic. If I compare the erotica community that was on Twitter compared to the writing community, no contest. The people who are erotica are amazing. They are non judgmental. They do not yuck anyone else's yum. They're very open. They are very accepting, helping each other. It is an amazing community. And this extends from what I can see into kink communities, this kind of attitude. Mmm, Yes.


And throughout my journey I've made a point of networking with authors

>> Emmy Florence: And throughout my journey I've made a point of trying to meet and network with authors so I can. Because I'm curious about craft. I'm really curious about how people create books, how they are they plotters or paners. I m mean, I have just a lot of questions and what's interesting is I find that smart writers have been really receptive to these conversations. and, and through these conversations I've become a beta reader, sometimes even an alpha reader for writers. People are sharing their content. I'm able to weigh in and it's, it creates this collaboration that I don't typically see with traditional writers because it's not competitive. Right. I mean we're all trying to get this work out in front of people.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh yeah. And we all, all the erotica people are dealing with the censorship, the excessive censorship. And so we kind of like all like commiserate together and understand each other. I've interviewed so many erotica authors myself. And it's true what you're saying. It's 100% true. We like to help each other. I mean, you know, I'm part of an anthology right now where I'm actually several anthologies. One of them is a charity anthology and one of the writers was like, hey, does anybody want to contribute a story to this book that's going to be out for six months and we're going to take all this money and give it to World Kitchen for people who are in disaster situations. You know, the fires, the hurricane. She had over 45 authors immediately say yes. Wow. Not making a single penny. This is the kind of attitude that erotica authors tend to have. And it's amazing.

>> Emmy Florence: Yeah. And this is the stuff that people don't see how, how generous with their time. I mean, erotica authors, every time I've written to someone and ask them, will you sign the book? Will you write a note to me? Like, people are so receptive. People are so happy to meet someone who's a fan. So in terms of that community, it's great.


Reading erotica has given me a better relationship with my body

Another piece that I think is really healing about erotica is the safety of fantasy.

>> Ruin Willow: Yes.

>> Emmy Florence: And beginning to reconcile that there are things that I can read about that I find incredibly arousing, that maybe I wouldn't want to have happen to me in real life. Exactly. That's okay. Because the, fantasy reader that I am isn't necessarily the person I am all the time. M. And I can under. And it gives me a safe space to experiment. You know, what would it be like to be with eight werewolves at once?

>> Ruin Willow: Like.

>> Emmy Florence: Like that. We can talk about that later. But. But I can experience. I can experience life in the Omegaverse. I can experience life with aliens. I can do all of these things in a safe place where I don't feel judged. I can explore and I can say, like, did that do something for me? There are things, for example, like, I am reading books about krakens and tentacles. And that does. To me, I, you know, who knew? Who knew? So it's. And, and in a worst case scenario, if I find it really troubling, which I rarely do, because I kind of have a. I'm like stomach of steel, I can literally close the book and walk away from it because it's not my life. Right. And so I can just walk away. It's. It's a low risk endeavor for me.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, absolutely. And it's just like a fantasy in your head. You might even without a book, I compare it to that. Because you could sit down and have a fantasy in your head. That doesn't mean you want to do that fantasy. We have the fantasies we want to do and the fantasies we don't want to do. And that is okay. Same thing with books. And most of the time we're not going to do the things that have been in our books, but we're getting to live that experience. Like you said.

>> Emmy Florence: Yes.

>> Ruin Willow: Wow. We read it. It's amazing.

>> Emmy Florence: And I think maybe one last thing is reading these books has given me a better relationship with my body.

>> Ruin Willow: Yes.

>> Emmy Florence: So. So look, I'm a Gen X lady. I say that, but I'm a woman over 50. I'm a plus size woman. I have. I have what I call a durable body where I need to go. I don't think of myself as a sexy person. And, in reading the books and in reading characters and in seeing how people find beauty and how my body reacts and it's kind of given me such a great appreciation for this amazing body I have that I can, I can feel arousal, I can feel good when I read these books and, it. I can, I can get pleasure. And that's something I think for women of my generation. We don't know a lot about pleasure. It's not something we talked about. We weren't given lot of choices in life and we were'really given a space to explore. I think nowadays, I think people have a chance to kind of. And, well, I mean, you have these, these endless definitions of how you can think about your attraction and your sexuality and your gender. I didn't have those options. And so through these books I get a chance to explore that and, and to explore my body and, and I have a huge appreciation for that. I feel better now in my 50s and I felt in my 30s. I feel feel freer, I feel more involved, I feel more empowered. I can say words now that I could not say five years agoes. And I want to say these words all the time.

>> Ruin Willow: I totally understand. Yeah, I am very similar to you. Like, when I look at my life, you know, five, six years ago, it was completely different. And I honestly am quite shocked that I am now comfortable talking about sex with anyone and I am comfortable with my body like you said. And we really did not have the chance to do these things. In fact, we were told probably not to do these things. I was told not to touch myself when I was, a young child.

>> Emmy Florence: 100%. It was unbecoming. It was uncouth. Young ladies don't do that right.

>> Ruin Willow: Well, but the boys can. Oh, he, he's in the shower. I wonder what he's doing. Like, there's this double. There was that. And that is disgusting that, you know, men are, you know, young boys are like, okay, yes, you go explore your sexuality. And young girls, oh, no, don't touch yourself. We have to unlearn that. And this is part of, I think this is part of what the healing power of smut too is. Like you said, you can say these words, you can think them, you can be turned on by them. If you learn how to say them, they are never going to control you again either.

>> Emmy Florence: Exactly. When you now assuming, assuming shame isn't your kink, but when, when you can take the shame out and say, it's okay, like it's okay that I want someone to grab me like that, it's okay that I want to put my mouth there like that is normal. And I find that exciting and I'm not embarrassed. It's suddenly like I feel like people have a little less power over me then I know that I'm confident now.


The last piece of this is, I think, the trickiest part

The last piece of this is, I think, the trickiest part. So you can take the journey, you can take the odyssey. I mean, for goodness sake, you can start at the library. Let me tell you, there is a lot of sm, your local library, let alone online in plenty of places. We can talk about where you can get some free books and experiment.

>> Ruin Willow: Yes.

>> Emmy Florence: I think the tricky part, for me was finding a community where I got this knowledge, and then all I wanted to do was talk about it. And in my social circles, it certainly, you know, it wasn't my family at Thanksgiving, it wasn't my girlfriends, it wasn't my coworkers. And so for me, I was really fortunate to develop some more relationships with authors I had met on Facebook that led me into some discord spaces, brought me to Twitter, brought me to Blue sky, where now I have people like you that I can have these conversations with. And I think that that last piece of it, actually having a community, feeling safe to talk to people, you know, and telling people, hey, I like this. Can you recommend a book for me? Or. How do you feel about this?

>> Ruin Willow: How do you.

>> Emmy Florence: How do you write this? You know, what words do you use to describe this? That is super empowering. And that is. That was what made me feel like 100% I was not alone. I'm not crazy. Not crazy for wanting these things because I have conversations with people that tell me all the time, yeah, I want, like. Like, girl, I want that too.

>> Ruin Willow: Right. I, think that, you know, a lot of us have been. When we were younger, we were kind of forced into not embracing our humanity and coming to midlife and embracing your humanity, which is a huge part your sexuality, and especially for people who've had it suppressed. So it's absolutely healing to be able to read this stuff, look at the stuff and think, wait, does that turn me on? Wait, maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. And you can try it on. I just s. Like, trying it on clothes, trying on, you know, whatever you want, trying out food. You can safely do it with audiobooks, with paperbacks, with ebooks. And you can grow your sexuality all by your own self sitting with a book. That's fantastic.

>> Emmy Florence: Yeah. I mean, honestly, life is too short to have shitty sex life. Life is too short not to have orgasms, not to feel good about yourself. About yourself and not. Not know what turns you on. And for a long time I thought, oh, I'm broken, because this isn't turning me on. But now I know, and I can tell people. I can be really confident and say this. This actually really turns me on. And it feels good. And so hallelujah. Right. Like, I hope that people learn this earlier. I don't wait till you're in your 50s to have this revelation.


One thing I really love to focus on in my writing is female pleasure

>> Ruin Willow: Yes. I mean, you know, in the whole female pleasure, like, I actually was talking about this with another author. That's one thing I really love to focus on in my writing is the female pleasure. Because there's so much of that missing from all the books that already exist. So, you know, female empowerment, female emp, pleasure. I just go nuts on that stuff because that is not around. It's not in our books until now. Now it's starting to be. But I just really focus on that because to me, that is important. And it's something that I was denied for a very long time.

>> Emmy Florence: 100%. I think that's one of the tropes that I love, is a reverse harem. And because at the end of the day, that female main character, she's having. She's getting a lot of pressure, pleasure from a lot of different people. And there's a sense that it puts her in. It centers her in the middle of the narrative. And in the life that I lead, I am rarely the center of my narrative. Right. I'm caretaking, I'm working, I'm doing all of these things. I think a lot of women identify with that and maybe men too. I don't know.

>> Ruin Willow: Right, right.

>> Emmy Florence: But in these books, right, she is the center. Right. The world revolves around her. And people actively are seeking to give her that pleasure. And take. Take the reverse Harriman at a wide shoes. She can have it alles 100%. Like that'fantastic. And this is something, Right. Why chooses something. I still think you don't see a lot of that, play out in reality, at least in the. In theurb. In the suburb where I live. I don't see that happening a lot.

>> Ruin Willow: Well, you know, and I've noticed too, a lot of the difference is the coasts. The coasts are much different than in the middle of the country. Because I've talked to so many people and the environment is very different. Different. And there's a lot more kink acceptance on the coast. And there's a lot more polyamory. There's a lot more of that stuff, so. And I always feel like there's a trickle in because I'm in the Midwest too. There's a trickle in of almost everything starting on the coast, trickling inward. You even saw it with COVID People were getting infected on the coast and it slowly trickled its way in. So my theory is things always are more progressive on the coasts and it trickles in. Not that you can't find pockets in the Midwest, but that tends to be the way it is. So they're a lot more open. Certain parts of the coast. Obviously there's some that are not going to be.

>> Emmy Florence: Yeah. Ye.

>> Ruin Willow: As a general, like, majority, that makes sense.

>> Emmy Florence: So that's another reason why I say if you're. If you are in the Midwest, like actively pursue this.

>> Ruin Willow: Yes.

>> Emmy Florence: Actively have these conversations with your friends, talk to them. Find people who, who think like you. Right. Or go. Or be safe and go into socials. hit me up on Blue sky if you. I am happy to talk to you anytime. So, I mean, Right. This is about building community, especially for folks that might be a little nervous or scared and worryed. Is it safe? So.

>> Ruin Willow: Right. And I feel like kind of what we're talking a lot about with the healing power of smut in our conversation is that it's a confidence builder for women.

>> Emmy Florence: Yeah. 100%. and in fact. So I commute on a train into an office and I read and I do a lot of presentations and I do have a lot of high visibility in the work that I do. And I'll read my smut in the morning. I'll sit there defiantly on that. On that train.

>> Ruin Willow: I love it.

>> Emmy Florence: I will read myself. And I. It sets. It's like, it's like better than a cup of coffee. Like, it juices me. And I get off that train, first of all, with a smile on my face because I feel like I have a secret that no one knows about. Yes. And I feel like I'm right. I could take on the world. Take on the.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh, yes. I know exactly what you're saying. It's empowering, it's energizing. It wakes you up. You know, you're immersed in it. You're wide awake. It's amazing. And it's just a wonderful experience.


The more smut you can read, the better

So, yes, the more smut you can read, the better. So everybody out there who is sitting there poo pooing it, you're missing out. Just like you're missing out if you don't orgasm. That's all I got to say. You are missing out. And good stuff still bad for you.

>> Emmy Florence: There'such good stuff out there. And in fact, I would love to share a couple of recommendations for folks that might be newer, please. Who are looking to maybe explore.

>> Ruin Willow: Yes.

>> Emmy Florence: And I really sat down. So. So, you know, if we had five hours, I would give you the 5,000 books that I think would be a quintessential library. But I kind of tried to boil it down to maybe the top five or six authors that I think would be really worth checking out.

>> Ruin Willow: Yes, please.

>> Emmy Florence: I want to start with two independent self published authors and I want to give love to my self published community because I feel like you are at the front lines of this smut battle.

>> Ruin Willow: Yes.

>> Emmy Florence: Writing non traditional work, writing amazing work. And I know the hustle in getting your stuff out there and getting it into people's Kindles is massive. So for those of you that might like to read about kind of a hot demon. The first monster book I read is, is part of a series called Cinnamon Not Brimstone by an author, Calderan. And his work is hot, it's sexy. He's got a smart, smart, amazing, female lead that I'm not going to spoil it too much but it's, it's, it's like I call it the thinking person smut. And it's, it is hot. And there are six of them. So you can keep going with these books. Up next, for those of you that like shorts and I love myself a short Ryn Rennard. She has a book, a collection called Stolen Moments and she and Cal are both Golden Pigtail winners by the way so. Oh yes, yes, shout out to that.

>> Ruin Willow: I have an audiobook on that right now.

>> Emmy Florence: Oh awesome. That's great. I excited but Stolen Moments, it's an anthology. The stories are short. I. It's my pillow book. I have it by my bed at night. And what's great about Stolen Moments? There's a variety of different permutations. There's sapphic work, there's mm work, there's sweet stories, there are poems, there's bdsm, there's, I mean pretty much anything you can think of, there's a short story there and I think this type of anthology is a great way for people to experience and test out a lot of things. U the last of kind of my independent people. I want to give a shout out to Vera Valentine. She writes sentient objects. Nut her most famous book was the Door about a door. I will say her books really opened my eyes to the inherent sexiness of everyday objects. Like balloon animals.

>> Ruin Willow: Oh sure.

>> Emmy Florence: And so if you're looking for something that's really out there, I really recommend her. And then so for those of you that buy your books at big box storess that you know aren't on the Internet. Let me give you two kind of modern books that you can walk into any bookstore and feel comfortable buying. The first is Bride by Allie Hazelwood. Again, a very smart FMC female main character. It's a vampire werewolf love story. It's clever. The banter is Chef's Kiss. And it's. It's sweet and it's smart and it's fun. And the last book is Katie Roberts. She og og book Neon Gods. So if you are interested in Greek mythology, it's got a pantheon, plus size is female, main character. And it's. There's a lot in there to like. There's a lot in there to feel good about. So, those are kind of my top picks to get you started.

>> Ruin Willow: That is awesome. Yeah. Thank you so much for that. Those people can check those out now.


Two of your anthologies got nominated for the Golden Pigtails

I'm actually in. I got nominated. Two of my anthologies got nominated for the Golden Pigtails, which was the one that you mentioned. Again, I wanted to write that one down.

>> Emmy Florence: The two they won last year. One is a Cinnamon, not Brimstone.

>> Ruin Willow: Okay. Yep.

>> Emmy Florence: By Calderarin. And the other is, Stolen Moments by Rin Rennard.

>> Ruin Willow: Nice. That's very cool.

>> Emmy Florence: Both of them won. but would, love to know what are the names of your books? Because I m. Want to go check them out. So I think. Is there still time to vote?

>> Ruin Willow: Yes, there is. So I have a very, A very. This is. This is a really strong book. It's written by all these roadworks, and it's male domination. So it's a very extreme book. I had so much fun. It's Emma's policy. I had so much fun naring in it. Oh, my gosh, it was so much fun. I love doing that extreme stuff. Sometimes I just love playing extreme stuff. And then the two anthologies I'm in, the, Seasons. Teasing. It's a Snowbound One, which. A bunch of snowbound stories of erotica. And then the other one is 45 not so guilty. Oh, my gosh. I'm so bad about saying this. I wish I could remember how I was brutally, brutally, mess It Up. Not so guilty pleasures. 45 filthy stories for a Cause. Now, that's the one that all of our proceeds are going to, the World Kitchen. And we've raised. I think We've raised almost $7,000 so far.

>> Emmy Florence: Okay. I definitely want to pick that up so I can feel good and feel good about feeling good.

>> Ruin Willow: Yes. And it's in Kindle unl Limited, and it's an ebook, so we couldn't make it a paperback. But it's not going to be around forever. That's the one thing we have to keep telling everyone is, it's a short lived little anthology because all the stories are going to go back to the authors. So it's not going toa be around forever.

>> Emmy Florence: See, now I have a PhD in smut and you are schooling me up. I love it. Brdet come, we can talk smut and I can walk away with something to get into tonight. I really appreciate it.

>> Ruin Willow: I love that. Well, thank you so much for coming on. This has been wonderful. I feel like, you know, I think we could like, talk for several more hours. I just had a great time talking to you.

>> Emmy Florence: I was like, let's check a year from now. You can check in. I will tell you about my wild adventures. We can. We, go do Face two. Really. Thank you. I just appreciate the space to talk about this. You are, you are helping a lot of people and just thanks for the platform.

>> Ruin Willow: Absolutely. I love it and I love helping people and I love showcasing people in their opinion. So thank you for coming and sharing yours. Just wonderful. You have an amazing night.

>> Emmy Florence: Thank you. You too. all right, bye. Bye.

>> Ruin Willow: Okay, bye.