EP50: Oneirogens That Enhance Dreaming

An oneirogen, from the Greek words meaning "dream" and  "to create", is a substance or other stimulus that produces or enhances dreamlike states of consciousness.

Jack Delamater is back again on the podcast! Jack is a lucid dreamer and a musician, who draws inspiration from his dreams and altered states of consciousness. He is the founder of The Dream Joint.  His products are the perfect gateway into lucid dreaming and enhancing overall dream vividness.  Jack and &  talk about the different herbs he has in his shop that are used to enhance dreams, and the many ways to consume them. We also talk about the different effects they have on your dream life.

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Oneirogens mentioned in this video
African Dream Root (Silene Capensis & Synaptolepis kirkii)
African dream Bean (Entada rheedii)
Blue Lotus Flower
Calea zacatechichi
Mugwort
Morning Glory Seeds
Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds
Amanita Mascaria Mushroom

Highlights
1:55 THC & Dreams
5:21 Where to start with dream herbs
7:45 Rituals and intentions for taking dream herbs
9:59 Each dream herb & what it does
21:21 More herbs for exploring consciousness
26:44 Mugwort & the WILD technique
28:22 Other Lucid dreaming tehcniques
30:06 Visitation dreams & ancestral dreaming

Outro Music
Waves by Jack Delamater (Spotify)

Transcript

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Well, I'm excited.

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So this is your second time on my podcast

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I'm honored that you came back.

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Yeah.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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I mean, yeah. I'm Jack Delamater.

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About two or three years ago now,
I started selling different dream herbs

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because I saw that there were a lot of
different ones were available online, but

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I couldn't find really a single business
that focused on that as a specific niche.

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So before starting the business,
I looked into the different herbs

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and I realized that there were so many
more than what I originally thought.

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The first one that I knew was Carlos
the Chichi, and that's probably

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the one that's most ubiquitous
is that most people start off with.

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And in terms of getting started
with dreaming and dreamers,

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it was back when I was in high school
and me and my friends would,

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you know, have sleepovers
and smoke a lot of weed,

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which means we weren't
doing a ton of dreaming then.

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But then we started incorporating
aiding the Mexican Dreamer

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class, aka the Chichi,
and we started mixing it in with the weed.

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And we found that we were all just having,
you know,

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we would wake up and just tell each other
the dreams that we had.

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And it was always such a cool experience
and it's really been a treat,

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you know, finding all these other herbs
and and what they do

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and the effect on the dreams
and how they can sort of help,

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you know, promote understanding yourself,
which I think is

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one of the most important things
that people need right now in the world

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or always in the world,
but especially right now.

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Yeah, that's true.

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I'm pro anything that help people dream.

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And I want to get to like
what all every dreamer

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and you know what they are
and what they mean.

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But first, I also want to talk
about the weed and dream thing.

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So, like, what has been your experience
with, like smoking weed and balancing

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how that does it make you dream and and
then loving your dreams and that kind of.

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Yeah.

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So I think one of the most this,
this isn't something that I could sell,

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you know,
but one of the most the biggest dream

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potential is if you smoke a lot of weed
and then immediately stop.

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And I'm sure a lot of people
have had that experience before

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when when just stopping intentionally
for that reason or for other reasons.

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But every time I, you know, quit smoking

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within the next couple of weeks
after that,

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I started having just fantastical dreams.

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And then if I combine
that with dream herbs, then it just

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it takes it to a whole other level.

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I also want to say that it's it's
definitely not

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necessary to use these herbs
and there's definitely a case to be made

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for you know, going through
just the natural processes to do this.

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But I do think that everybody, you know,

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should have autonomy to explore
whatever experiences that they can.

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You know,

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And I think that the history
of all these herbs

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is just so interesting
that me personally, I,

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I just love trying out these
different things and seeing the effects.

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Yeah, that's awesome.

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So it's like Dream Herb is your favorite.

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Oh, I'd say as of recently,

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the African Dream route
and there's two different

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African dream routes
and I'll talk about that more later.

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But the one I've been liking a lot
is Celine Expenses,

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and I know you guys probably
won't be able to see the video, but

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I started making these tinctures
specifically with Celine Expenses route.

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It's just really cool.

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It's known to have more of like
an emotional impact than other ones.

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And just like the sensory experience
is a lot more immersive

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and the fact that it's a tincture,
at least in the

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in the way that I made it,
it's it's just really convenient

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to just put a couple of drops
under your tongue before bed night.

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Is it better

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because I know the brew is really better,
but I would definitely try that.

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Oh yeah.

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I'd say a lot of these things are better.

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You got a
you got to make it through for the gains.

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You know.

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I think it's worth it for sure. Totally.

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What would you say?
What do you say is your favorite?

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And it's hard to pick.

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I would say like Blue Lotus
Tea has been like my go to then.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's like I try to smoke less weed

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so I can dream
more like constant battle with my head.

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So sometimes I,

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you know, put stuff and kind of make it
and like, wean myself off of smoking weed.

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Totally.

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It is cool how along with like, you know,
the obvious benefits and you know,

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the certain drawbacks of weed,
it sort of can be used as like a

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as like a modulator,
you know, for how much you want to dream.

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Like if you, if you like, smoke
a couple of nights in a row

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and then just stop, It's like,
you know, it's great.

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Yeah, yeah, that's true.

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Definitely worth it to me.

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My dreams are always,

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like, way more like, vivid
when I have, like, the rebound dream.

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Totally.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Like the REM rebound that comes from it.

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Yeah.

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It's just great.

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How many different herbs
have so many different effects?

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You know, a lot of people
think about Dream as sort of like binary.

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And either you dream more or less,
but it really is like a whole class

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of different ones that sort of
like increase the dimensions of your dream

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in different ways. Uniquely.

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Yeah, I love that though,

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because everyone's different,
you know, different things work

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for different people and different
people need different things

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depending on what your reasonings
are for getting into dreams.

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So how do you like
where would somebody start?

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Because, you know, I always tell

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people don't depend on any herbs
or supplements, just experiment totally.

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But if someone's like new to it,
where would they start?

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It forms of all these dream or like,
how do I decide which one is right for me?

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Yeah, well, if somebody,
if somebody starts from nothing,

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I would definitely recommend,
you know, doing that.

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The tried and true classics

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like having a dream journal,
you know, doing dream checks

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until you get to a point that you can feel
like you have a good grip on dreaming.

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And then once you get to that point
and you want to experiment with dreamers,

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if you do, I would say Carlos, aka
the Chichi and Blue Lotus,

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are really good entry ones.

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They both increase vividness pretty easily
and also

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you can smoke both of them,
which definitely appeals to some people.

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I will say that Carly, is that to teach
you do not want to make a tea out of.

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Yeah, I was going to say I tried that
one time and it was just I think.

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It has layers of bitterness to it.

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I one is a purely smokable one for me.

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Totally.

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I mean, traditionally
and you know, in the hardcore way,

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the shamans of Oaxaca would go in a cave
and chug

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like multiple cups of the tea
while simultaneously smoking it.

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So, I mean, you got to be really serious
about it for that.

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But I mean, if you're trying

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to communicate with your ancestors,
it's a small price to pay.

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That's true. Yeah, it's probably worth it.

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Mm hmm.

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Well, have you had any cool personal dream
experiences as a result of any dreamer

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that you can share that really

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are interesting or call out to you?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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So at this point, I mean, the dreams
that I like the most are,

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you know, like visitation dreams of people
who've been, who've I've known.

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And it's just it's
just always such a treat and so special,

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you know, getting to see them,
whether it's my grandma or my friends.

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And that's just always so special.

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But even if it doesn't have to do

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with that, it's
just always filled with such insights.

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Some of my favorite dreams
recently have to do with

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watching live musical performances
from the crowd,

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knowing that every note has been created
by my subconscious on the spot.

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And every time I wake up

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from that, it's
just such a such a wonder, you know?

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And it's like, Damn, I wish I brought
a dream recorder into my dream.

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Yeah, that's awesome.

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I love your music and my dream

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because I know I'll never be able
to fully recreate it. At least that.

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That I can.

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Write.

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It's sort of like the most ephemeral

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type of creativity, you know what I mean?

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Because it's not like

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you can just play something and record it
or write a poem and have it written down.

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It's like it's just there for a second
and then it's gone.

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It's sort of like concentrated
consciousness.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's cool.

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So when you use like dream verbs
and you try to do certain things,

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you have like all my dog can hear it, but.

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Like, good dog.

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Yeah, not right now.

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And I'm trying to record a podcast, but

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so do you have like certain intentions
that you do with it?

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Like rituals?

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Like how do you kind of set yourself up
to use dreamer?

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So if I'm using a dream, Herb

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I well, first of all, since I'm not,
you know,

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directly connected
to a lot of the cultures that uses,

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I can't really, like, pretend
and take part exactly in their practices.

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So it's sort of like everybody has their
own sort of unique way of using it.

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And for me, I sort of,
you know, I, I think the plant

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and then every time
I specifically have intentions

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to use dreamers and have a dream,
I really try to lock into a meditation

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before falling asleep

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and, you know, think about

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what I might want or what insights
I might want.

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But also it's cool to just wildcard
it and just see,

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you know, whatever the hell happens
and then just, you know,

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be left with the pieces in the morning
and see what can be applied and what

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you know,
and what just sort of seems like brain

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noise, you know?

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Yeah, that's good.

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I guess there's so many different ways
to do it,

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and it's just fun to experiment.

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Honestly, I love I New Dreamer
and you have so many different like ways,

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like I'm sure just one like Blue Lotus,

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for example, if you smoke it
or do it as a tea or like a live resident,

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it probably is a little different
each type of way you consume it, right?

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Yeah, Yeah, totally.

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I mean, with, you know,
just like other sort of substances,

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depending on the way that you use it,
smoking tends to be more,

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you know, short, lasting and immediately
intense and tea is more long lasting.

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So I find that the if I drink blue lotus
tea, the dream sort of lasts

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more into later
into the night and morning,

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or at least the more intense part of it.

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But I find that earlier parts

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of the night when I'm smoking, that's
that's when it has more of the effects.

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And we get into the history
of some of this stuff.

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So, I mean, obviously, I'm not a historian

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or a scientist, you know, but I'm
I'm really interested in this stuff.

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And I've looked up what I can.

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So if I do have anything wrong,
I definitely want to list or a listener

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to call me out.

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Yeah,
a lot of this is just so interesting.

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So yeah, Do you want me to just roll
through a couple of different dreamers?

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Yeah. Let's start. Sweet.

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So the one we already talked
about a little bit blue lotus flower.

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That's a flower from ancient Egypt
that was used both as a party drug

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and also a cultural symbolism
for consciousness and enlightenment.

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And it's also was used

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for orgies because it has

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it has like sensually aphrodisiac
inducing effects too.

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So for Blue Lotus Flower,
I find that the dreams that I have with it

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tend to have more of like a tranquil vibe
to it.

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It's sort of like,

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you know, when you use it during the day
without a direct intention for dreaming.

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It's very relaxing
and it tends to reduce anxiety, and

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some of these other ones
get pretty far out in your dreams

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and it doesn't really guarantee more of a,
you know, happy dream necessarily.

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But blue lotus flower, I usually wake up

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from that feeling pretty calm and grateful
and also it tends to result

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in more sensual dreams as well,
due to the reasons I said earlier.

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Yeah.

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I'm wondering how has your experience
been with Blue Lotus?

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I love it.

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Honestly, it's one of my favorite ones
because it's pretty like chill.

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Like I don't feel like
it's like it does anything crazy.

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It's just like a good feeling dream,
you know what I mean?

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I definitely feel it more when I smoke it,
I think, than when I make the tea,

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but I also mix it with E,
So I mean me to say exactly that.

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Just make it.

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Exactly.

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Just throw it back. Yeah. You know.

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And also just generally helps with sleep
pretty well.

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Yeah, that's a good one,
especially if you're, you know,

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stopping smoking pot
and you're having trouble sleeping.

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That can be a nice stubborn to get
a little bit of euphoria but also sustain

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that clear head that a lot of people
stop smoking to try to get.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It's crazy
that people have been using instant

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like ancient Egypt
and they've been using it for dreams.

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Like when did we stop
hearing about dreams so much?

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Something about Western culture,
I think, like,

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likes to forget about things
that are connected to yourself. Hm.

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Yeah, it's a little bit easier to stay
distracted, you know, Blue Lotus flower.

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It's so interesting
because the compounds have been

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and have so many different effects.

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The lotus contains

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a poor thing and no suffering,

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which both
they both work through dopamine,

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which, you know, can help
cause those feelings of relaxation.

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And it also has pretty strong
anti-anxiety properties

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and also antipsychotic properties as well,
which is why if mixed with pot, it can

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it can lower the sort of like psychotic
feelings that some people can get.

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And also it just feels very grounding,
which is why

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a lot of people use it for meditation.

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Yeah.

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And you have like I thought
you have the rhythm and you have the flow.

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Yeah, I really like the resin.

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Almost think of it
like the hash of blue lotus flower.

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It's I like to mix it with wine
a little bit or you can just put it

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right underneath your tongue,

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just like a little piece sized amount
and but it dissolve there

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and then it just feel nice and relaxed
before bed.

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You can also you can also mix the resin
and roll it around and any other sort of

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or whether it's like a benign herb like,
like Moline or something like that.

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Or you can mix it with like Mugwort
if you want to get the double effect.

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So what about we go to African cream brew?

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Yeah, so

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there's two different African cream roots

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that sometimes get confused
with each other.

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One of them is named Synaptic Lapis Turkey

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and another one is Xylene Consensus.

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Both were used by the Zulu South
African tribes and silent

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expenses was more emphasized
with the Mercosur South African tribe.

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And they both, like a lot of these

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dreamers, have have a lot in common
when it comes to vividness and recall.

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But each one of them has,
you know, slightly different, like

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emphasis on like different aspects
of how it affects the dreams.

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So it really is like

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different worlds
of how you can affect them

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and see, you know, what
sort of experiences you can have there

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with synaptic levels.

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Quirky,

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it generally seems to be pretty
intense dreams

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that are that you wake up and you're like,
Whoa, You know,

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I find that
there's more like precision in the dreams.

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It's known to be more precise
in terms of like, what's going on in it.

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Like I've, I've had dreams with synaptic
levels quirky that tend to be

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like I can I

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see like machines and I can see the gears
working specifically.

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And it's just like very, very precise
and how it works.

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And it also a lot
a lot of the herbs increase lucidity

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through increasing vividness,
but some of them, including the sort of

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they tend to increase the lucidity
like directly

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in like the sense of dream awareness.

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So that's really cool.

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And then

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so silent expenses.

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The other African dream route,
that one tends to be deeply emotional.

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And that's the one
I was talking about earlier with the

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with the tincture that I made.

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That one tends to

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manifest more like visitation type dreams.

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It's more detail

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and it tends
to just have more personalized insight

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which can really, you know, help
with exploring

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the subconscious and getting
little nuggets of wisdom from yourself.

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So, yeah, those are I really like

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both of those smiling expenses
that one is used.

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There's a couple of ways to do it.

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You can just sort of chew on the route

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as one way.

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That's the easiest.

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Another way is to grind it up
and mix it with water and then shake it

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and then it makes it foam
and then you slurp up

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the foam that comes from the top
and you do that a couple of times.

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You shake it

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until you feel

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what they say is until you feel satiated

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from the foam and you will know.

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Having said that,
I've done the root food on it.

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I just ran up like five or 10 minutes
until it was soft

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and then I just spit it out
that that's the right way to do it.

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It's one way to do it for sure.

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Well,
and then the snap to the Lepus turkey.

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I'm not so sure
how to use the route directly.

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I'm sure that chewing
could have some effect there.

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I offer that one as a powder form.

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So how I use that one is
I take about half a gram to a gram

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and mix it with water
and then drink it before bed.

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Yeah, some of these work more acutely.

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In others

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it takes a few days of using them in order
to really start seeing effects.

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And I find that the dream route and
the dream being are more in that category.

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Okay.

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I think like a more of a build up effect.

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Yeah, totally. Okay.

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So what about the dream being
how does that work?

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Because I have some that I got from you.

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Like I have a lot
the and I don't know what to do with it.

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I'm probably

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going to give you giving you
some more information on that one.

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I mean, I kind of have an idea.

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I just like like I could eat it, I guess.

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Yeah.

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So, so some people, they roast it

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in the, in in like their oven

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and then they, they chew it
and just like literally eat it.

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How I like to do it is

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I, you know, use a mortar and pestle
and break it up

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and then you can actually smoke it
once it's more of a powder form,

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you can like layered on top
of some herbs of your choice

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and that works pretty well.

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And once it's powdered,
of course you can also mix it in

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with water or tea or something like that.

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And that's one of the ones
that has the built up effect.

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So if you don't if you don't feel these
the first time or notice much of an impact

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and it's just sort of
one piece of the puzzle, you know,

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and plays into an

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and works with your patterns
and your habits when it comes

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to, you know, dream journals
and reality checks and stuff like that.

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And but once you get there,

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you'll find that it has really cool
effects on top of that.

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That's true.

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I never want people to like think that
they get so frustrated with like trying

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to lose a dream that they have to depend
on like supplements or anything.

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Like it should be just an additional
thing to you are totally.

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Totally.

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I think doing it naturally really is

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really is like the best foundation for it.

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And then anything beyond them really is
optional for those who want to do it.

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Yeah, but generally I think it's it's
better to depend on your own mind

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and your own habits.

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And it does depend on anything external
because really we,

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we have everything in here, you know.

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Yeah, that's true.

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It's just additional for exploration.

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What you already have,
you know, a foundation for me.

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Totally. Totally.

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Yeah.

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I also have like the full being
and I kind of want to, like,

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drill a hole in it and make a little bowl
out of it or something.

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Oh, that would be so cool.

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The dream beings also people
make different jewelry out of.

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Them in that too.

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I could do that too.

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I thought about it. Yeah, totally.

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And even just having that with you,
you know, could affect an intention

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and help you there.

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Yeah, that's true.

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Because I do believe that even alone,
like just putting it smelling it

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or anything like that,
it still has energy that can affect you

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or even
just the fragrances of certain things.

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So I put it under their pillow sometimes,
you know?

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Totally. Totally.

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And also a lot of the
a lot of the science on

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this isn't like
we haven't really locked it all down

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because we don't really know
the science of dreams in the first place.

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So it's, you know,

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it would be an impossible task to know
how different things modulate that. But

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we have certain clues as to what compounds
might be, you know, affecting this.

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Like, for example,
sailing expenses contains opponents.

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And I might be pronouncing
a lot of these wrong, by the way, but

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I'm getting the letters in the
in the phonetic got in there.

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So its

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opponents are sort of like a base of like

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it's like soapy substances, basically.

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And traditionally

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there's there's this big festival

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where people

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turn it into a paste and basically,
like cover themselves in it

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and like a multiday thing and everybody
just sort of dreams together.

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So if anybody's interested,
I suggest you look more into that

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because I'm sure other people could,
you know, explain that better than me.

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I've got to go to this festival.

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Yeah, it is.

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Is this.

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Imagine bringing weed to the festival
and people would be like, That's.

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Not allowed here.

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That's the opposite of what
we're trying to do here.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah.

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And then and then snapped.

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Aleppo is Turkey
I'm probably going to pronounce is wrong

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but there is a compound that anybody
curious and wants to look it up

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two meth oxy, three iso butyl hydrazine.

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All right.

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And then a bit of a mouthful there.

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Yeah, I'm really looking forward
to, you know, science

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sort of catching up
with with how all this works

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because people always like cultures

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for thousands of years, you know,
just have an idea of what plans do what.

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And then lo and behold,
when we, you know, study it and isolate

00:23:02:13 - 00:23:06:02
these compounds, people,
you know, realize that there are a lot of,

00:23:06:24 - 00:23:09:15
you know, it makes sense and it works.

00:23:09:15 - 00:23:10:20
Yeah, that's awesome.

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The earth is like, so magical.

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I'm excited for science to catch up
on all this dream stuff and plant

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medicine, stuff
like it's happening for sure.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, so many medicines you know,
originally are isolated from plants,

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which is another, you know,
one of the many reasons why preserving

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the environment is so important
because who knows?

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Like certain reef plants in the ocean

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could contain like a cure
to some cancers or something like that.

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And we just don't know.

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So a lot of things becoming extinct and

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we could be losing medical opportunities
there as well.

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And that's probably even more important
than psychoactive qualities.

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That's cool too. Yeah.

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Yeah. Both are good, actually.

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Totally.

00:24:00:11 - 00:24:04:07
So I want to talk about the
I have both the

00:24:04:21 - 00:24:07:21
that you have
the Hawaiian girls have been more

00:24:09:03 - 00:24:10:13
right.

00:24:10:13 - 00:24:13:11
And I want to hear
what you have to say about them.

00:24:13:11 - 00:24:13:19
Yeah.

00:24:13:19 - 00:24:17:11
So I guess now we're getting into
the more active ones here.

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Um, I've expanded a little bit

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to herbs
that aren't specifically for dreaming, but

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just also, you know, help
with subconscious exploration

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and have some sort
of psychoactive qualities.

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So two of these

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Hawaiian baby
what rose seeds and morning glory seeds,

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they both contain the compound LSA,

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which is structurally very similar to LSD,

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and they're both entirely legal.

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So they are

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they are known to be sort of
like a more body ish

00:24:54:24 - 00:24:58:05
version of the classic cool psychedelics.

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And they also are known
to I mean, compared to LSD

00:25:05:07 - 00:25:08:00
increase,

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like if you get into a meditation,
it's easier

00:25:10:11 - 00:25:14:05
to sort of experience like journeys,
you know what I mean?

00:25:14:05 - 00:25:17:16
And just have like,
like almost waking lucid dreams,

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which is a really cool experience
as opposed to other compounds.

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So yeah, both of these contain LSD.

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You definitely want to look up
the doses of them

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to figure out what you're doing.

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And also
they are known to cause more nausea

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and body load than other psychoactive.

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But there are ways to counteract this.

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One of them is making like

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a tincture or water extract of it,

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and you can do that by

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crushing it out with the mortar and pestle
or whatever you want,

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and then you mix it with water
and then leave it in the fridge,

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leave it in the

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fridge for like 2 to 4 hours.

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And then will you want to put tinfoil

00:26:05:18 - 00:26:08:18
or tinfoil over it because,

00:26:08:23 - 00:26:12:07
because light can,
you know, affect and sort of degrade

00:26:12:07 - 00:26:15:06
certain lysergic compounds.

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So then when you take it out,
the thing that really helps is you mix

00:26:20:00 - 00:26:23:00
crushed up clove of garlic into it

00:26:23:13 - 00:26:26:03
and that is known to sort of neutralize

00:26:26:03 - 00:26:29:07
some of the more nausea creating compounds
that are in there.

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And then after that, you just strain it
out through a strainer, like a paper towel

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or something like that.

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And then you drink the liquid
and then it tends to be

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a much less of a body
load and more effective.

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So you can focus less on how your body
feels and what's going on in your mind.

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And I find that any sort of

00:26:49:16 - 00:26:52:14
psychedelic things
with psychedelic qualities

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that they do sort of affect
dreams in different ways, even if not,

00:26:56:16 - 00:27:00:24
you know, made and some made
but made by God directly for that.

00:27:01:23 - 00:27:03:01
Yeah, that's true.

00:27:03:01 - 00:27:06:01
I mean, it's all connected anyway.

00:27:06:08 - 00:27:07:12
Okay, totally.

00:27:07:12 - 00:27:08:05
Going to try that.

00:27:08:05 - 00:27:11:06
So awake Question Does the seat by itself,
is it

00:27:11:06 - 00:27:14:06
light sensitive
or only once you do the whole process.

00:27:14:13 - 00:27:18:08
Only once you extract the seeds
because of the outer casing,

00:27:19:11 - 00:27:21:03
it's safe from light.

00:27:21:03 - 00:27:24:05
And a lot of people I mean, this
is that's just like the the what?

00:27:24:05 - 00:27:27:05
The the way to do it
to ensure there's no nausea

00:27:27:10 - 00:27:30:10
on online on some subreddits people

00:27:30:22 - 00:27:33:20
people like think that
that's like a cop out you know.

00:27:33:20 - 00:27:36:18
That's I'm I'm brave
I could probably handle.

00:27:36:18 - 00:27:39:19
Yeah some people just just throw it
in their mouth and chew it you know.

00:27:39:24 - 00:27:40:07
Yeah.

00:27:40:07 - 00:27:41:16
But there is

00:27:41:16 - 00:27:45:08
it is important to know there's very
different dosing between both of those.

00:27:45:08 - 00:27:52:17
And for one baby would rose that would be
between like three and like seven seeds.

00:27:52:17 - 00:27:54:21
Definitely look it up to,
you know, to clarify.

00:27:54:21 - 00:27:58:01
But for Morning Glory, it'll be like a

00:27:58:10 - 00:28:02:04
like 50 to 200 or more seeds.

00:28:02:04 - 00:28:04:09
And those are much, much smaller.

00:28:04:09 - 00:28:07:03
So generally you would
you would weigh those in a cup,

00:28:07:03 - 00:28:09:19
but with wine, maybe whatever it is,
you just need a couple.

00:28:09:19 - 00:28:12:13
But ultimately
it's it's a very similar experience

00:28:14:04 - 00:28:14:13
thing.

00:28:14:13 - 00:28:15:05
Okay.

00:28:15:05 - 00:28:18:05
I'll have that report back
when I feel like I'm something a little.

00:28:18:23 - 00:28:21:14
Bit more sweet.

00:28:21:14 - 00:28:25:16
Yeah, but okay, let's
go back to the more basic apply.

00:28:25:23 - 00:28:27:06
Yeah.

00:28:27:06 - 00:28:31:11
You know which Mugwort and we talked about
Kayleigh is the a little bit

00:28:31:11 - 00:28:34:19
but I do want to talk about my corpus
because it's used for so many things

00:28:34:19 - 00:28:37:13
and it's so normal
even outside of the dream world.

00:28:37:13 - 00:28:40:10
And it does feel like I love

00:28:40:10 - 00:28:43:08
Mugwort Honestly, Right.

00:28:43:08 - 00:28:46:08
Yeah, it's just a really nice, you know,

00:28:47:07 - 00:28:51:10
plant tool
to, to have around for tea or for smoking.

00:28:51:10 - 00:28:55:14
There's a lot of different uses
is used traditionally for,

00:28:56:09 - 00:29:00:00
for like magic and divination

00:29:00:21 - 00:29:03:21
and and

00:29:03:21 - 00:29:06:21
people definitely use it in
sort of like a,

00:29:07:07 - 00:29:11:22
like new age magic type sense. Um,

00:29:12:24 - 00:29:16:06
traditionally
it was, it was also used for those reasons

00:29:16:14 - 00:29:20:01
and for increasing dreams
and connecting with ancestors

00:29:20:01 - 00:29:23:01
as a lot of these
different herbs are used for.

00:29:23:21 - 00:29:25:20
I think that was like,

00:29:25:20 - 00:29:28:12
that was a big part of lucid dreaming

00:29:28:12 - 00:29:31:15
in ancient cultures to sort of gain wisdom

00:29:31:15 - 00:29:34:21
from ancestors, to move,
you know, your community forward.

00:29:36:04 - 00:29:37:08
Yeah.

00:29:37:08 - 00:29:40:08
So Mugwort contains through Joan,

00:29:40:16 - 00:29:43:15
which works with GABA, which is very

00:29:43:15 - 00:29:46:15
it increases relaxation

00:29:47:16 - 00:29:48:23
and through Joan is also

00:29:48:23 - 00:29:53:10
the same compound that is in Wormwood,
which is known

00:29:53:10 - 00:29:56:18
as the psychoactive component of absence.

00:29:58:13 - 00:30:00:10
So it tends to be kind of mild.

00:30:00:10 - 00:30:04:14
And I find that the true effects of it
really shine

00:30:04:20 - 00:30:09:15
when you're in the hypno gojek phase
in between going to sleep and being awake.

00:30:10:20 - 00:30:11:20
If anybody has done the

00:30:11:20 - 00:30:15:06
wild, the technique before,
they know all the cool, trippy stuff

00:30:15:19 - 00:30:18:19
can even be kind of scary,
you know, happening in between.

00:30:19:00 - 00:30:23:20
And when I use when I use mugwort
before going to bed

00:30:23:20 - 00:30:26:24
and I enter that state,
everything is just much

00:30:26:24 - 00:30:29:24
more enhanced and vivid.

00:30:30:06 - 00:30:34:01
Like the mental images that come up
tend to be more vivid

00:30:34:01 - 00:30:37:20
and it becomes more vivid in a way
that when you're at that stage of the wild

00:30:37:20 - 00:30:42:00
technique, it's easier
to like hop into one of the mental images

00:30:42:00 - 00:30:45:00
and start into a lucid dream.

00:30:45:04 - 00:30:47:03
And I just I just love that middle ground

00:30:47:03 - 00:30:50:09
of the hypnotic imagery,
whether or not there's a herb used for it,

00:30:50:09 - 00:30:53:22
because I find that that's
when you just become really creative.

00:30:54:16 - 00:30:55:02
You know,

00:30:56:03 - 00:30:59:02
you can sort of like process the certain

00:30:59:02 - 00:31:02:18
certain things in your life that tend to
be more triggering or difficult with some

00:31:02:23 - 00:31:07:05
with more of a sense of resilience to it
because it's like part of your mind

00:31:07:05 - 00:31:10:16
that gets anxious as more shut off
at that time and it's more just

00:31:11:01 - 00:31:13:20
base awareness and creativity.

00:31:13:20 - 00:31:16:15
Yeah, well, God is great
and I, you know, hitting it gorgeous.

00:31:16:15 - 00:31:17:24
Such a great place to explore,

00:31:17:24 - 00:31:20:19
especially if you're not that good
at lucid dreaming.

00:31:20:19 - 00:31:22:09
There's so much that can come out of that.

00:31:22:09 - 00:31:23:22
And I always get some cool ideas

00:31:23:22 - 00:31:27:15
as I'm just halfway on the edge
of like consciousness.

00:31:28:01 - 00:31:28:14
Totally.

00:31:28:14 - 00:31:32:07
And it's it's relatively easy
to get to that state compared to

00:31:32:07 - 00:31:34:00
into lucid dreams because the

00:31:35:07 - 00:31:35:22
well, the main

00:31:35:22 - 00:31:39:00
prerequisite is being able
to get to a really common place

00:31:39:00 - 00:31:42:09
during meditation
while keeping your awareness active.

00:31:43:02 - 00:31:46:06
So really
it's like you as you're laying down

00:31:46:06 - 00:31:49:06
and if you lay on your back,
that definitely helps the most.

00:31:50:01 - 00:31:53:01
So if you're if you're laying down and you

00:31:54:03 - 00:31:56:12
and you just don't move your body

00:31:56:12 - 00:31:59:12
and let your body fall asleep

00:31:59:13 - 00:32:02:23
while you just remember
to keep your mind awake

00:32:04:01 - 00:32:07:14
slowly and surely, you'll start to,

00:32:07:14 - 00:32:11:01
you know, experience sights and sounds
as everything goes to sleep.

00:32:11:08 - 00:32:12:20
And it can be tricky to,

00:32:12:20 - 00:32:16:03
you know, to not fall asleep and just like
get caught up in mental imagery.

00:32:16:14 - 00:32:19:14
But after a little bit of practicing,
you can

00:32:19:18 - 00:32:22:18
you can definitely
hold your awareness there.

00:32:22:20 - 00:32:25:08
And then if you keep going,
then it just gets crazy.

00:32:26:12 - 00:32:27:03
I love it.

00:32:27:03 - 00:32:30:03
So what are your top
favorite lucid dreaming?

00:32:30:24 - 00:32:32:11
I will.

00:32:32:11 - 00:32:35:20
Wild is just really intense,
just like its name.

00:32:36:14 - 00:32:40:24
And I don't do that one too often.

00:32:40:24 - 00:32:45:09
I would say that, you know, doing
like dream checks

00:32:46:08 - 00:32:49:16
really is like the most
the most effective for me

00:32:51:05 - 00:32:53:17
because as we know, we just sort of

00:32:53:17 - 00:32:57:09
repeat the same procedures
that we do during the day in our dreams.

00:32:57:09 - 00:33:00:14
And if we are really focused on it
and do it, you know,

00:33:00:19 - 00:33:02:04
with intention during the day,

00:33:02:04 - 00:33:05:04
then you'll do the same thing
during your dreams and be like, Well,

00:33:05:16 - 00:33:07:23
this is a dream

00:33:07:23 - 00:33:08:10
thing.

00:33:08:10 - 00:33:10:12
Yeah,
that's what I tell people to do for me.

00:33:10:12 - 00:33:14:18
Like 80% of my
how I become lucid is off of doing

00:33:14:18 - 00:33:18:04
a reality check and then something happens
that's really outrageous.

00:33:18:04 - 00:33:21:04
And I'm like, Oh, it's the dream. Totally.

00:33:21:17 - 00:33:26:07
Last night I actually had this wild dream
where I was arguing with somebody

00:33:26:10 - 00:33:30:06
like turned into a big argument and
I was making a lot of rude side comments.

00:33:30:18 - 00:33:34:13
And then all of a sudden
we started salsa dancing and

00:33:35:14 - 00:33:38:08
we were
just joined hands and started dancing.

00:33:38:08 - 00:33:39:22
And I was like, This is crazy.

00:33:39:22 - 00:33:43:02
It was almost like
like a carnival type dream.

00:33:43:19 - 00:33:47:13
And then somebody in the background
just said,

00:33:48:05 - 00:33:52:05
Oh, this is a dream,
just like an extra in the background.

00:33:52:05 - 00:33:53:04
And then I looked at the guy

00:33:53:04 - 00:33:57:12
I was dancing with, and we were just like,
Oh, of course this is a dream.

00:33:57:12 - 00:34:00:18
This is far too silly to happen
in real life, you know?

00:34:01:17 - 00:34:04:21
And then after that,
I didn't really lock into the lucidity,

00:34:04:21 - 00:34:08:16
but it was just such a such
like a hilarious moment of realization.

00:34:08:21 - 00:34:11:21
It's like, Oh, thank God, this is absurd.

00:34:13:04 - 00:34:14:19
I wonder if that was another dream or

00:34:14:19 - 00:34:18:00
if it was your mind
telling you like it's a dream.

00:34:18:12 - 00:34:21:17
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be crazy

00:34:22:23 - 00:34:23:14
to think.

00:34:23:14 - 00:34:24:21
Okay, I have another question.

00:34:24:21 - 00:34:28:04
Not necessarily related,
but speaking of shared dreaming,

00:34:28:04 - 00:34:31:20
so we know that, like, science
only understands so much right about this.

00:34:31:20 - 00:34:33:13
And you were talking earlier about how,

00:34:33:13 - 00:34:35:15
you know,
you have these visitation rooms where you,

00:34:35:15 - 00:34:38:00
like connect
with people that have passed on.

00:34:38:00 - 00:34:42:00
So do you feel like where do you stand
on the like, science, spirituality

00:34:42:00 - 00:34:45:22
spectrum of like,
oh, dreams are just in our head versus

00:34:45:22 - 00:34:49:02
the idea of being able
to meet up with people and spirits

00:34:49:02 - 00:34:52:02
and, you know, outside of our minds,
you know the thing.

00:34:52:06 - 00:34:54:16
Yeah So, so first of all, I think

00:34:54:16 - 00:34:57:16
a really important thing about it is that

00:34:57:21 - 00:34:59:24
something being meaningful is

00:34:59:24 - 00:35:03:21
is meaningful
regardless of you know, the nature of it.

00:35:04:00 - 00:35:08:13
And we can really just, you know,
get so much from any sort of dream. And

00:35:09:17 - 00:35:11:00
I think really

00:35:11:00 - 00:35:14:22
this is a tricky question
because it depends

00:35:14:22 - 00:35:17:22
how expansive you view your inner mind as

00:35:18:24 - 00:35:19:08
you know.

00:35:19:08 - 00:35:22:08
And like if the

00:35:22:10 - 00:35:25:15
some people might know
what I'm talking about here, but if the

00:35:25:19 - 00:35:28:18
if the universe sort of

00:35:28:18 - 00:35:33:04
exists as a reflection within
all of our minds as a sort of like grand

00:35:33:04 - 00:35:37:07
connectivity of cosmic consciousness,
and I think that through that lens,

00:35:37:07 - 00:35:40:16
there's not really a separation
to even question, you know,

00:35:42:19 - 00:35:44:24
But generally, I,

00:35:44:24 - 00:35:47:14
I don't have any answers, you know, like,

00:35:47:14 - 00:35:51:05
I think we'll probably find that
when I, when we die and

00:35:51:16 - 00:35:54:08
but I definitely have had experiences

00:35:54:08 - 00:35:57:12
where it just hasn't felt like dreams.

00:35:57:12 - 00:36:01:11
And some of these visitation
dreams are just so direct and so

00:36:02:01 - 00:36:07:04
intense and realistic
that there is just no reason

00:36:07:04 - 00:36:11:00
for me to think that there's a cutoff
at the end of my mind

00:36:11:00 - 00:36:15:15
and this transcendental realm
that we don't even know what it is.

00:36:15:15 - 00:36:21:14
You know, it really is just like
the fringes of conscious experience.

00:36:23:04 - 00:36:24:12
Yeah, that's true.

00:36:24:12 - 00:36:28:05
And I mean, yeah, nobody knows for sure,
but we can definitely have like theories

00:36:28:05 - 00:36:32:12
and ideas and like,
the way I see it is like we're all sharing

00:36:32:12 - 00:36:36:12
this physical space and there's so much
that we can't see, you know, and like.

00:36:36:12 - 00:36:37:14
Totally.

00:36:37:14 - 00:36:38:13
People pass on.

00:36:38:13 - 00:36:42:00
Like we still have friends and family
that support us, you know?

00:36:42:00 - 00:36:45:01
And that's why all the ancient Egyptians
and all these cultures that we've talked

00:36:45:01 - 00:36:47:07
about used ancestral dreaming, like

00:36:47:07 - 00:36:49:12
it isn't something
that we just came up with recently.

00:36:49:12 - 00:36:51:15
Like this is something
that people have been doing for centuries.

00:36:51:15 - 00:36:53:24
So I think there's something there
for sure.

00:36:53:24 - 00:36:58:10
And science just needs like
tangible evidence to understand things.

00:36:58:10 - 00:37:01:23
And this is something
that's just beyond being tangible, like

00:37:01:23 - 00:37:02:16
it's just not happening.

00:37:03:17 - 00:37:05:12
And it's so hard for science to get there

00:37:05:12 - 00:37:08:12
because first we'll have to understand
what consciousness is,

00:37:08:15 - 00:37:12:13
you know, before we can understand
different components of consciousness are.

00:37:13:00 - 00:37:15:12
Yeah, we don't even have the tools
that you can measure that.

00:37:15:12 - 00:37:17:16
So it's like

00:37:17:16 - 00:37:18:01
going to take.

00:37:18:01 - 00:37:22:05
Down recently I had a visitation dream

00:37:22:05 - 00:37:26:12
where a friend told me directly
how I can reach them outside of dreams,

00:37:26:20 - 00:37:29:20
and he just said,
You can reach me with your thoughts.

00:37:30:06 - 00:37:33:24
And that was just so, you know, affirming
because that's sort

00:37:33:24 - 00:37:37:14
of what prayer is, you know, and that's
sort of what everybody does anyways.

00:37:37:14 - 00:37:41:09
So it was just like, yeah,
that that is probably the way to do it.

00:37:41:22 - 00:37:43:02
That's true. That makes sense.

00:37:43:02 - 00:37:46:10
It's like bending a little part out
into the universe

00:37:46:10 - 00:37:49:10
and like, really thinking of,
you know, who you're sending it to.

00:37:49:11 - 00:37:50:09
Exactly.

00:37:50:09 - 00:37:53:23
Hopefully it doesn't go by USGS because
there would be some delays that are

00:37:55:20 - 00:37:57:03
except for my business.

00:37:57:03 - 00:37:58:24
It comes quick.

00:37:58:24 - 00:38:00:23
It is. You do your path.

00:38:00:23 - 00:38:03:23
I will give that.

00:38:04:05 - 00:38:07:02
Got out there on the plugs where I can

00:38:07:02 - 00:38:08:03
that.

00:38:08:03 - 00:38:10:11
Well I mean go ahead you know

00:38:10:11 - 00:38:13:18
tell people like where they can find you
and all that kind of stuff.

00:38:14:12 - 00:38:14:23
Yeah.

00:38:14:23 - 00:38:18:18
So you can find me on the dream
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00:38:19:19 - 00:38:23:10
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00:38:30:17 - 00:38:35:09
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And I believe or I've been
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00:38:52:23 - 00:38:57:13
So there is another one that I added
to the selection recently,

00:38:57:13 - 00:39:01:20
which is a mix between dream
and more like intense active.

00:39:02:13 - 00:39:06:08
And you may have heard of it, It's
the Mario Mushroom

00:39:07:05 - 00:39:10:17
known as Fly Organic or Amanita muscaria.

00:39:11:13 - 00:39:14:19
And this one,
there is a lot of misinformation about it.

00:39:15:19 - 00:39:19:11
A lot of people are scared of it
because it is a psychedelic mushroom,

00:39:19:11 - 00:39:21:24
but it doesn't work through psilocybin.

00:39:21:24 - 00:39:26:09
It works through something else known
as Musk Them All, which is very intriguing

00:39:26:10 - 00:39:28:05
because that works their GABA receptors

00:39:28:05 - 00:39:31:05
which are normally associated
with relaxation,

00:39:31:08 - 00:39:34:17
but it just does something else through it
that creates

00:39:34:18 - 00:39:39:09
really otherworldly dreams
with fantastical elements.

00:39:39:22 - 00:39:44:07
And if you're doing it for dreaming,
I definitely recommend microdosing with it

00:39:44:13 - 00:39:47:13
like a like a small amount,
like half a gram or less.

00:39:47:22 - 00:39:50:24
Because if you take more,
it definitely can be really intense.

00:39:52:05 - 00:39:53:16
So there are a couple of

00:39:53:16 - 00:39:56:24
things to know about it
is that there is, um,

00:39:57:24 - 00:40:01:05
there is musk them all,
which is one of the compounds

00:40:01:05 - 00:40:05:05
and then there's ibrutinib acid
which does have some toxic effects to it.

00:40:05:13 - 00:40:09:22
But if you did carboxylic acid
and put it in the oven

00:40:09:22 - 00:40:13:05
or heated at a certain temperature,
all of the I botanic acid

00:40:13:05 - 00:40:16:08
converts into musk them all
which makes it safe to use.

00:40:17:05 - 00:40:21:18
And I actually took the Amanita muscaria
micro dose last night,

00:40:22:08 - 00:40:25:16
which is probably part of the reason
why I had such a radical extreme

00:40:25:16 - 00:40:28:16
of salsa dancing with an enemy.

00:40:29:04 - 00:40:32:04
And it was just
it was just really, really fun, you know?

00:40:32:07 - 00:40:34:02
And then there was another component
of the dream

00:40:34:02 - 00:40:36:03
that sort of reminded me
that there was like

00:40:36:03 - 00:40:39:03
something that I felt guilty about that
I should tune into.

00:40:39:23 - 00:40:42:23
And I really woke up
and had some clarity about it.

00:40:43:11 - 00:40:48:15
But through if you use Amanita
muscaria, it's almost like

00:40:49:18 - 00:40:50:21
you sort of feel like

00:40:50:21 - 00:40:53:22
you're tripping in your dream,
like you feel a little bit

00:40:53:22 - 00:40:59:06
more intoxicated than usual with more of
like just more fantastical elements.

00:40:59:06 - 00:41:02:06
And the dreamscape could be more variable.

00:41:02:20 - 00:41:06:01
And it also just tends
to be really reflective and contemplative,

00:41:06:22 - 00:41:09:12
just like some of the other ones as well.

00:41:09:12 - 00:41:11:04
Okay. Okay. I love it.

00:41:11:04 - 00:41:13:12
That's exciting. I'm
definitely going to try that.

00:41:13:12 - 00:41:16:08
A good. Cool.

00:41:16:08 - 00:41:18:05
Yeah, it's it's so weird how

00:41:18:05 - 00:41:21:03
how there are certain compounds that

00:41:21:03 - 00:41:25:11
we know activate with certain receptors
that we feel like we know what they do,

00:41:25:11 - 00:41:28:05
but then it just blows a huge hole
through it.

00:41:28:05 - 00:41:31:05
Sort of like salvia, the venom,

00:41:31:12 - 00:41:34:04
how that the active compounds.

00:41:34:04 - 00:41:38:18
CAVANAUGH And works through the Kappa
opioid receptors

00:41:39:10 - 00:41:44:13
and, you know, opioid,
which generally comes from our different

00:41:44:19 - 00:41:48:03
things that activate the opioid receptors
generally come from,

00:41:48:12 - 00:41:51:19
you know, like opium and poppy plants
and stuff like that.

00:41:52:14 - 00:41:56:15
But salvia, for some reason,
it binds to one of the sub,

00:41:58:06 - 00:41:59:22
the sub neurotransmitters there,

00:41:59:22 - 00:42:03:13
and it just creates a whole other world,
the other dimensional experience.

00:42:03:14 - 00:42:06:04
So that just goes to show
how much we don't

00:42:06:04 - 00:42:09:04
really understand
what's going on in our brain.

00:42:09:21 - 00:42:12:18
So it's sort of like exploring
this stuff really is like,

00:42:12:18 - 00:42:16:07
you know, riding a frontier of awareness.

00:42:16:19 - 00:42:19:11
But at the same time,
many people have been doing that

00:42:19:11 - 00:42:22:11
for thousands of thousands of years.

00:42:23:00 - 00:42:23:22
Yeah, definitely.

00:42:23:22 - 00:42:27:00
You have to definitely know yourself
and know

00:42:27:00 - 00:42:30:18
your like inner boundaries and stuff
and do your own research.

00:42:30:18 - 00:42:32:06
You know what I tell people?

00:42:32:06 - 00:42:35:17
Because I totally for myself,
but I'm comfortable exploring

00:42:35:17 - 00:42:39:08
consciousness and you know, I've done
a lot of different psychedelics and stuff,

00:42:39:19 - 00:42:43:05
so I understand my tolerance for things,
but like, you know, other people

00:42:43:05 - 00:42:44:11
are at different levels with things

00:42:44:11 - 00:42:47:09
and some people can even smoke
weed or whatever, you know.

00:42:47:09 - 00:42:50:09
So it's like,
just know yourself and do your research.

00:42:50:16 - 00:42:53:16
Yeah, I'm
totally I'm glad that you said that.

00:42:53:24 - 00:42:56:17
I mean, I think that meditation is really

00:42:56:17 - 00:42:59:18
the number one way to get comfortable
with yourself in your mind.

00:43:00:04 - 00:43:04:02
And if you don't really feel comfortable
doing that and you're moving

00:43:04:02 - 00:43:07:12
to some of these products, you're probably
not going to have a great experience.

00:43:08:07 - 00:43:10:16
Because if you can't,
if you feel uncomfortable with the,

00:43:10:16 - 00:43:14:13
you know,
the base of your subconscious, then

00:43:14:13 - 00:43:18:12
diving deeper into it would probably be
too much too soon type situation.

00:43:19:14 - 00:43:21:08
Yeah, Yeah, that's true.

00:43:21:08 - 00:43:25:06
And I like to give these type to kind of
like just telling people to just

00:43:25:13 - 00:43:29:00
just press themselves and not rush it,

00:43:29:00 - 00:43:32:00
trying to rush it, but lucidity or any

00:43:32:03 - 00:43:34:12
Totally. Totally.

00:43:34:12 - 00:43:38:04
It's like some of the best jewels of life
happen as a byproduct of,

00:43:38:11 - 00:43:40:22
you know, connecting more with yourself.

00:43:40:22 - 00:43:42:09
Yeah, that's true.

00:43:42:09 - 00:43:44:03
It's like people,
you know, if you're, like,

00:43:44:03 - 00:43:47:07
actively looking for a romantic partner,
then it's probably going to be more

00:43:47:07 - 00:43:50:07
forced and happen,
you know, less soon than if you're,

00:43:50:17 - 00:43:53:00
you know, living your life
in the best way possible.

00:43:53:00 - 00:43:55:14
Then things just sort of happen
out of nowhere.

00:43:55:14 - 00:43:58:05
Yeah, that's true. Organic is better.

00:43:58:05 - 00:44:01:01
Totally. Okay. All right.

00:44:01:01 - 00:44:05:14
So do you have any, like, final
anything on your heart that you just feel

00:44:05:14 - 00:44:09:24
like caring for, like, listeners,
you know, dream related or not?

00:44:09:24 - 00:44:11:13
Whatever's on your heart?

00:44:12:23 - 00:44:14:14
Oh, jeez.

00:44:14:14 - 00:44:16:24
I would say

00:44:16:24 - 00:44:19:24
I'd say follow your dreams

00:44:21:18 - 00:44:23:01
and say I love you all.

00:44:23:01 - 00:44:24:13
We're all the same.

00:44:24:13 - 00:44:25:15
We're all the same mind.

00:44:25:15 - 00:44:28:15
And then we should treat each other
as such.

00:44:29:08 - 00:44:32:06
Oh, I guess I agree with that statement.

00:44:32:06 - 00:44:32:19
Yeah.

00:44:32:19 - 00:44:35:09
Also,

00:44:35:09 - 00:44:38:01
I do have to shout out my own music here.

00:44:38:01 - 00:44:41:01
I have an album coming out soon

00:44:41:04 - 00:44:43:15
and I have three albums
that are already out.

00:44:43:15 - 00:44:47:21
You can find me on Spotify
and everywhere else under Jack Delamater

00:44:49:16 - 00:44:52:23
That's deal a a. TR

00:44:54:09 - 00:44:56:04
So yeah.

00:44:56:04 - 00:44:58:20
Now use your song as like

00:44:58:20 - 00:45:01:17
outro music or something.

00:45:01:17 - 00:45:01:23
Yeah.

00:45:01:23 - 00:45:04:23
If you if you pay me big

00:45:05:11 - 00:45:06:19
like, know I'm just kidding.

00:45:06:19 - 00:45:08:07
Of course you can.

00:45:08:07 - 00:45:11:07
Of get the credits.

00:45:11:14 - 00:45:14:00
So I mean I make it big.

00:45:14:00 - 00:45:16:17
We're all making it big
because everyone's coming with so.

00:45:18:00 - 00:45:21:00
Oh, totally, totally.

00:45:21:00 - 00:45:22:14
Yeah.

00:45:22:14 - 00:45:23:15
Oh, this has been really great.

00:45:23:15 - 00:45:24:15
Yeah, I really love what you do.

00:45:24:15 - 00:45:29:01
I mean, thank you so much for,
you know, having this resource for people.

00:45:29:01 - 00:45:31:11
I think it,
you know, really makes a positive impact

00:45:31:11 - 00:45:34:11
when people promote,
you know, self knowledge.

00:45:34:22 - 00:45:36:04
Yeah, exactly.

00:45:36:04 - 00:45:37:11
I'm just trying to give people

00:45:37:11 - 00:45:40:11
all the resources
and just talk to as many people as I can

00:45:40:11 - 00:45:44:02
about all the different niches
within dream industry.

00:45:44:02 - 00:45:45:24
Like there's so many things
within the niche.

00:45:45:24 - 00:45:48:24
It's so crazy. Totally.

00:45:49:14 - 00:45:51:19
Yeah, I love doing it. I'm
trying to get more consistent with it.

00:45:51:19 - 00:45:55:14
Like hopefully for 2024,
if I could do like one podcast

00:45:55:14 - 00:46:00:00
every week, which doesn't seem that hard,
but you know, life is like life.

00:46:00:00 - 00:46:04:14
And yeah, I know that we've been talking
about this for a year now that.

00:46:04:20 - 00:46:08:14
Yeah, but like, it's hard,
but well, you know, I'm like, I'm

00:46:08:14 - 00:46:12:01
not stopping so might not be every week
but I'm going to do my bit. Yeah

00:46:13:00 - 00:46:14:04
that's awesome.

00:46:14:04 - 00:46:17:04
I believe in, you know you do.

00:46:18:12 - 00:46:20:09
So you will stay in touch

00:46:20:09 - 00:46:23:09
and I'll let you know
once this gets posted.

00:46:23:16 - 00:46:26:04
Cool. Sounds good.

00:46:26:04 - 00:46:27:09
Nice catching up with you.

00:46:27:09 - 00:46:28:18
I'll talk to you soon.

00:46:28:18 - 00:46:30:23
Yeah. Thanks for having me on. Bye.