The Dream World

EP63: Rest Is Sacred

March 07, 2024 Amina Feat. Rihannon Okoye Season 2 Episode 29
The Dream World
EP63: Rest Is Sacred
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In this episode, my guest is Rhiannon Okoye, a hypnotherapist who also has a rich dream life.  We talk about why dreams are important, and how to find peace by focusing on your inner world. She tells me about some of her amazing dream experiences and the impact they have had on her life. We talk about the various forms of altered consciousness such as hypnosis, OBEs, and lucid dreaming.

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Highlights
1:30 What is hypnotherapy?
4:02 Why should I care about my dreams?
5:20 Precognitive dreams vs self-fulfilling dream prophecy?
9:47  Lucid dreaming vs astral projection
13:18 Amina's dreamwork journey
14:55 How to analyze dream symbols
21:30  The fear of death
25:53 Recovering from overwhelming dreams
28:40 How to use your lucid dreams to level up
35:40 Animals communicate to us through dreams

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00;00;00;00 - 00;00;18;14
Unknown
The way to create a better world for everyone is to focus on your inner world, to focus on what peace looks like to you. If you want to make a difference, which you do, we all do. And sometimes wanting to change the world can lead us into places of desperation and despair because it's just too much for one person to hold.

00;00;18;15 - 00;00;44;28
Unknown
You don't have to think like that. You don't have to worry about changing the world because all you have to do is change yourself. Well, I don't have any notes or anything. I'm just going going for my heart. So my name is Rhiannon and I currently work as a hypnotherapist, which is all things consciousness, though it kind of makes sense that dreams are something that I have always paid great attention to.

00;00;44;29 - 00;01;07;03
Unknown
Apart from my teenage stoner years zoning is because I didn't remember my dreams during that time. But it's always been a person who wants to understand myself to the depth of my capabilities and understanding consciousness as a whole in the way that we all interact with each other. And I'm still kind of understanding exactly the part that Dreams play in that.

00;01;07;03 - 00;01;33;28
Unknown
But it's something that I want to learn more about, share more about. And so I'm just really, really excited to have this conversation and to link that into my work. And dreams come up so often in the way that I work with people in ways most of the times regress people in our sessions and oftentimes people will regress back to a dream that they had in their childhood, or they will grasp to a scene.

00;01;33;28 - 00;02;06;11
Unknown
And they remember that they'd had a dream about that scene. And so all of these things do connect, and I'm seeing it happen in real time through my practice and kind of just making sense of it all. Let me ask you about hypnotherapy first. How does that work? Like what is that process like? So if you are a meditator, you will recognize the state of hypnosis as just being in a light trance, that meditative feeling where you feel light in your body and trance like, and kind of in between wake and sleep.

00;02;06;11 - 00;02;36;23
Unknown
It's like that liminal space between falling asleep and being asleep is kind of exactly what that feels like. And from that space, your subconscious mind is very awake and very receptive to that and suggestions that are going to benefit your life and make certain systems feel more useful and change beliefs and just allow all of the different parts of self to marry up to the conscious desire for whatever it is that you're calling in at that time.

00;02;36;25 - 00;02;59;12
Unknown
It's a hack in that way. It really depends on what the person is being hypnotized for and every person is different. So some people will leave the trance feeling like, my goodness, shift has happened and it's really that instant. And you can see it from people's body language and their posture and even the shape of their face if they've been holding on to attention in that.

00;02;59;12 - 00;03;23;19
Unknown
Joel for example, and they get to release all of that in the session, they literally leave with a different face. And the beginning of their new life has started with other people. It's the change is a bit more cumulative or it's retrospective. They continue living and then at the end of their month they reflect on their month and they're like, wow, Well, I just managed to get up and go to the gym or get up and get onto a yoga mat.

00;03;23;19 - 00;03;42;16
Unknown
And I did that consistently and it wasn't even something that I had to talk myself into. It was just something that felt more easy, felt more automatic. And that's what hypnosis does. That's why it's your best friend, because it just takes away like that kind of conscious chatter that kind of like the thing pulling you in the opposite direction of discipline.

00;03;42;16 - 00;04;03;29
Unknown
And without that opposing voice, you're just like all on the same team. You're just like, disciplined to do that thing that you set out to do and think about where we would all be if we could just move forward like full steam ahead without any kind of chatter, without opposing voices coming from external places. But it's really the internal places that matter.

00;04;04;02 - 00;04;21;15
Unknown
Yeah, it makes so much sense. I see a lot of parallels between like hypnosis, work and dream work because, you know, when you're asleep, your logical mind is not chattering, like you said, and like you don't have your conscious mind. You know, giving you doubts and things like that. So you're able to reprogram your brain in a way.

00;04;21;16 - 00;04;41;02
Unknown
So I definitely think there's some correlation there. You know, we enter a different state of consciousness in both. So to speak. So how did you get interested in dream work? I don't know who told me that dreams were important. I think it was just something that I've intuitively always known, but I paid attention to them from a young age because things that I would dream would come true.

00;04;41;07 - 00;04;57;26
Unknown
So I remember being very small and waking up in a in a shark and running into my parents bedroom. Like, you need to call Uncle John and you need to call Uncle John. He's in the hospital. He's not okay. And he'd had a motorbike crash that evening. There was one day I grew up in London and we would go to France for the day just to drive.

00;04;57;26 - 00;05;17;11
Unknown
And we were supposed to take the ferry that day and I was like, We can't go on that ferry that there is going to that ferry is going to crash. The boat's crashed. I think whatever boats do when they're not functioning. And so we took the train instead. And that ferry did end up thinking the most recent time that happened was just a few weeks ago.

00;05;17;11 - 00;05;42;22
Unknown
And I'm also a yoga teacher, and I dreamt the night before that I got stung by BEE in my yoga class and I mean doing cat cow. And I put down my and my forearm and there's a B there, and I'm just like, This is my dream. It's coming true. I would love to be able to kind of direct those dreams a little better or kind of like dictate when they happen.

00;05;42;24 - 00;06;03;24
Unknown
But maybe that's just like the ego mind trying to control things, and maybe you just have to allow these things to come and trust that they will happen when they're supposed to do that is the dream coming true? Instances that come to the forefront. I'm just like totally in that scene with the bee stinging me and there was a full class of like 12 people.

00;06;03;25 - 00;06;26;25
Unknown
But the adrenaline I was like, my God, my dream just came true. And like being excited about that carried me through. I was like able to teach the entire class and I, like, really sweated so much, but it was amazing. Wow, that's super interesting. You know, I, I've always found that fascinating with premonition type dreams, because sometimes it'll be a big event that's like, Yeah, we can prevent this.

00;06;26;25 - 00;06;50;10
Unknown
Like, you know, like a warning. And then sometimes it's something so random, like a like the bee or like a random situation. And that doesn't necessarily seem like it makes sense or that you would have been able to predict. Have you noticed any certain different feelings of like when you have a premonition dream, is there like a certain type of dream that's different from your other dreams that you're able to maybe recognize it or you just don't know until it happens?

00;06;50;12 - 00;07;10;16
Unknown
I would say the only time the feeling is different is when I'm in a lucid dream and I'm able to direct that dream. That's when that happened. And a couple of times those dreams have also ended up being premonition dreams. But then I wonder, is it a premonition dream or are you manifesting that reality from the dream state?

00;07;10;16 - 00;07;46;15
Unknown
Like, I don't know. I mean, I wish I had the doctor. So you mean like you do something while lucid and then that comes true? Whatever. You create it in the dream Consciously. Yeah, exactly. So I'm thinking about when I was living in Cambodia. I was teaching at this amazing yoga retreat center for a few months. The retreat was a digital detox thing, so I always used a digital detox to I wouldn't be on my phone or my computer during retreat time, and I guess I was having some kind of like withdrawals or whatever, because with my pressures dreamed by, I was like scrolling on like and browsing the internet and I was able to

00;07;46;15 - 00;08;05;03
Unknown
like, realize what I was doing. And I was like, Well, I'm on Skyscanner right now. Let me check and see what the flights from London to Cambodia are, Say, And then there was this like ridiculously cheap flight. I think it was like £150 or something crazy from Cambodia to London when I woke up somehow I knew that that was real.

00;08;05;03 - 00;08;27;15
Unknown
I don't know. I that's what it is. It was like I was directly the dream and aware that I was directing my dream, and that's how I knew that it was real. But it takes like that conscious input from me to be able to feel that. So then I woke up and I like ran to the nearest town to where I could get Wi-Fi, and I went on Skyscanner and I saw that that flight existed.

00;08;27;15 - 00;08;49;19
Unknown
And then I sent the link to some friends and my dad ended up booking that flight and came to visit me. The action of doing like what? Sometimes you would just watch. You're just in a lucid dreaming. You're just like guiding and you're just watching. But when you actually begin to participate and you like have that, I guess, dream muscle memory of doing that thing, you kind of bring it into fruition.

00;08;49;21 - 00;09;08;18
Unknown
I think visualizing with like your full senses, I've like played around with manifesting in my lucid dreams. I have never had that quick of results. So like, that's really good. You know, definitely something you can like hone in on. What I find interesting about your dream to the whole question of like, did I manifest this or was I seeing something that was already there?

00;09;08;18 - 00;09;24;19
Unknown
You know what I mean? Because some people might argue that you were like astral projecting and you saw the flight on the Internet somehow. But the fact that it was so cheap was also like, would that have even existed if you didn't have such confidence to manifest it, though? Yeah, it's so I have so many questions. I don't know.

00;09;24;26 - 00;09;44;22
Unknown
We could all just be like, okay, we going all go home now if we like, knew all of the answers to these things. So and part of me is glad that I don't. That is true. So that dream to you sounds more like an astral projection. Well, I don't know. I was just thinking about it. I definitely think it's possible to manifest things from your dreams, and I think that you have that ability for sure.

00;09;44;22 - 00;10;03;12
Unknown
But I do think dreams are powerful. And I think both things could be true. Like the dream could show you something that you didn't know about, and you can bring something to life from the dream into waking life, which I've done in other ways, like art projects and stuff. I've created things in my dream, and sometimes it feels like the idea is not even mine, like it just came from somewhere out in the dreamscape.

00;10;03;12 - 00;10;18;03
Unknown
And then I'm like, Wow, I'm lucid and I'm like, This is so cool. I want to create this, you know? And then I wake up and I'm like, Whoa, It was my dream, so I guess I can make it. It's like my art. So and then I will create it in waking life. But I don't always know the difference between a lucid dream and an astral projection.

00;10;18;03 - 00;10;42;05
Unknown
And I do feel like I make them both times a lot. How would you how would you define them for you? That's a good question. Okay. So this is what I how I define it. So I think of this umbrella term being out of body experiences, right? And there's a lot of different types of out-of-body experiences. Even hypnosis kind of applies under there, you know, because you're kind of separating a little bit from your physical body.

00;10;42;05 - 00;11;01;27
Unknown
And there's levels to how you can do that. When you're dreaming, especially when you're lucid, you can travel places, you can see other dimensions, you can leave your physical body and same thing when you're astral projecting. That's the concept of like viewing the physical plane from an astral vantage point outside of your physical body. So essentially being able to see other locations.

00;11;01;27 - 00;11;21;27
Unknown
But the thing is, you don't have to be asleep to do that. So, you know, it's not the same thing as lucid dreaming because you can do it through meditation or hypnosis if you're in a trance, you can be outside of your physical body and view from an astral vantage point or point of view. So I believe that, like they all fall under the category about of body experiences.

00;11;22;01 - 00;11;37;23
Unknown
So maybe they're like cousins. That's how I see it. I'm not sure how to put what I was feeling as you were explaining into words just yet, but I could feel like the seeping of truth coming in and a deepening of understanding. I love that. Yeah, I've been thinking about it for a long time because it's a big debate online.

00;11;37;23 - 00;12;06;22
Unknown
People will say like, it's the same, it's different, it's this and that. And while I do believe that a lot of dreams are just purely mental and on the subconscious plane, there are also dreams where we do enter higher levels of consciousness and enter the astral plane. But that doesn't mean that every dream is astral travel. God could sometimes release the dreaming or an astral projecting, but I guess I'm astral projecting because a lot of the times this happens to me when I am in meditation or having some body work done.

00;12;06;23 - 00;12;36;02
Unknown
Whenever I have acupuncture, I have experiences like this and with and my thoughts I have experiences like this. But again, it's like I'm not always with my body. Sometimes I'm flying with my body, sometimes something just like a dot, like an electron moving through time and space and and I'm just like really coming to the conclusion of how important this realm is in terms of how I show up every day and what I do and how I work with my clients in occupying these trance spaces.

00;12;36;02 - 00;12;58;05
Unknown
Really, it's 50% of the good that I do in the world. And I wasn't fully honoring that. I wasn't honoring it because it looks like you're not working if you just lying in Shiva enough, like, not like if you know, I'm not working. But actually that's why most of my best work I've done and to rob myself of that time, I see it impacted in my work in real time.

00;12;58;06 - 00;13;24;04
Unknown
And so it has really been very recently, like I'm going to say in the last couple of weeks, that I've honored myself in that way and I've wanted this time as sacred and being as part of my purpose and the bigger picture of what I do. And I'm playing with the idea of like being paid to exist existing for me, meaning spending time in front then and with the downloads that I spend in those trances, I give that back to my client.

00;13;24;05 - 00;13;44;15
Unknown
Then it's a mutually beneficial thing for everybody. Our soul is doing work outside of the physical plane, even if we don't realize it and like being a human on earth is just a small part of that. So like, it's good that you're able to bring in such information and like, share it with the world. I love that. I would love to learn more about the dream work that you do.

00;13;44;22 - 00;14;03;25
Unknown
Yeah, you know, it's really fun. I started off just by loving my dreams. I always thought dreams were cool. I've had lucid dreams really young, and I always was just like kind of an open thinker, interested in consciousness. I started to just kind of build a community when I started a podcast and I started to study psychology and that kind of stuff.

00;14;03;25 - 00;14;19;17
Unknown
So I started talking to people about dreams and teaching. As I was learning kind of like you, I was like learning things. But at first I felt crazy. I was like, How do I even know this? Like, I would just know things and I wouldn't even Google them. And then as I would start researching and going to college and all that kind of stuff, I got my master's degree and everything.

00;14;19;17 - 00;14;37;11
Unknown
I was like, I already knew these things. How did I even know that? Like, you know, it just started to confirm that like, okay, I can trust these downloads that I'm getting. And I was already a lucid dreamer, so I would just start talking about my lucid dreaming experiences, dream control, dream stabilization, how to make your dreams better, what to do in your lucid dream, all that kind of stuff.

00;14;37;11 - 00;14;54;03
Unknown
How to like, take your manifestations and apply them into your waking life. So I started talking about that and I realized that a lot of people need help. Lucid dreaming like not everybody is a natural, lucid dreamer as a kid, you know? So I had that benefit of having such experience that I just started teaching people what I naturally already knew.

00;14;54;03 - 00;15;12;26
Unknown
And it felt really good because people would be like, Wow, I started having lucid dreams. Like I started doing this that you told me whatever it it work. And then they spread the word. So I'm kind of just helping spread the word about lucid dreaming. But it's not just lucid dreaming. I also talk about dream analysis and like, you know, like premonition, dreams and how to approach your nightmares and that kind of stuff.

00;15;12;26 - 00;15;47;24
Unknown
So it all kind of falls into the dream work category. But lucid dreaming is definitely like the thing I love teaching the most. So when you when you're analyzing dreams, do you kind of go off things that you have read previously about what certain things symbolize or you just allow yourself to to channel that information? I take like dream dictionaries with like a grain of salt because they can help and I always tell people this too, like the dreamer really knows in your subconscious what something means because like, let's say your dream of like a snake, you know, one person's experience with snakes is going to be one thing completely different than somebody else.

00;15;47;24 - 00;16;06;05
Unknown
Depending on how your subconscious thinks about the object or the symbol and what your experience is, it's going to be a different message. So it's like, how does your subconscious communicate with you? So dream analysis is a very personal thing. So I analyze my own dreams by recording them and noticing patterns and recording the symbols and things like that.

00;16;06;05 - 00;16;22;27
Unknown
And I'll look up my dream symbols sometimes just cross-reference different resources and stuff, but that's just to open up like an associate of thinking for me to be able to come up with my own interpretation, because I'm not going to say like, this is exactly what this symbol means because you can't apply it to everybody, you know?

00;16;22;29 - 00;16;55;29
Unknown
But you can help people just get free associative thinking so that they can like think less literally about a dream and maybe more metaphorically about what the symbol could be representing. So that's kind of how I approach it. For those of us who have more of a logical, analytical mind. But they're starting to dream and they're starting to pay more attention to their dreams, and they're starting to realize that maybe there is wisdom or medicine here or an expansion in any way that person perceives the They're still like very in their logical mind in terms of what their belief system is allowing them to to believe.

00;16;56;01 - 00;17;25;24
Unknown
What kind of like language do you speak to these people? And yeah, I love this question because I was literally having this conversation with somebody the other day. He was like very logical and like literal try to think outside the box, you know? So like, one exercise I do is like, take a main dream symbol. Like, you know, I tell people, you try to really think about all the things you can think of when you think of this symbol like and even talk about it with someone and describe it to somebody as if you're describing describing it to like an alien who has no idea what this is and has never been to Earth.

00;17;25;24 - 00;17;48;08
Unknown
And you have to really describe it in the most simple way possible. You know what I mean? And once I started doing that with him, with different symbols in his dreams, like he was like, Wow, I didn't even think of this and that. And like, all these different, like, associations started to come up. So I would say it definitely takes some, like creative thinking about a dream symbol and maybe talking about it with someone and bouncing ideas off of it to think more than just what it seems.

00;17;48;08 - 00;18;11;24
Unknown
Because a pizza maybe, maybe it could mean something about your health, but maybe it's like about something that's communal or multiple parts of a whole or, you know, something warm, contained in a box. Like there's so many ways to describe it. You can get down to the material or the shape or the colors, Like there's so many different aspects of a dream symbol that it might not just mean like, this dream is about pizza.

00;18;11;26 - 00;18;35;07
Unknown
You know, they might be about something completely different. So yeah, it's really about just like breaking it down and like thinking outside the box. That has always been a question that I've asked myself because I think my heart and my soul and always been like a free creative thinker. And I think the society and my study kind of put me into more of an analytical, logical, scientific way.

00;18;35;07 - 00;18;59;13
Unknown
My background is in engineering. People are when I tell them that. But then I ended up becoming a yoga teacher and now I'm a hypnotherapist. So all of these parts kind of found their way back to each other. It's a tricky one for me because you always want to meet a person exactly where it is that they are, and you always want to be the person in if they're curious, but still in that phase.

00;18;59;13 - 00;19;21;29
Unknown
But I like doing it. And you don't want to sound like a crazy lady. You could scare them and put them all on that path like inquiry, but at the same time, like you want to honor your holiness and you want to honor the things that you do know and you want to be able to like package a lot of that stuff in a way that makes a person even more curious and doesn't scare them away.

00;19;21;29 - 00;19;45;18
Unknown
And I think that hypnotherapy kind of gave me a good language to be able to talk to people in terms of before that, maybe I sounded like a woo woo yoga teacher and now I'm kind of like somewhere in between the two. Yeah, I relate to that so, so much because dreams, there's some science now and I kind of, like you said, meet people where they're at.

00;19;45;18 - 00;20;05;10
Unknown
Some people are so skeptical even about dreams, so probably even more about hypnotherapy. But even that there's there's some science now. And so, you know, I kind of meet people like, hey, here's some research. You can read about it or here's some, you know, evidence that was found on lucid dreaming or whatever. So they know that I'm not just saying stuff like people are actually interested in this now or some people are more spiritual.

00;20;05;10 - 00;20;27;06
Unknown
So, you know, as a teacher, you kind of have to gauge people where they're at and like then I approach it from a different, more spiritual approach or some people are in between. People might come from different walks of life, so they might have different viewpoints, but there's kind of something for everybody there because everybody dreams, whether you have a spiritual or not, or whether you're spiritual or not, you still have a soul that can go places, whether you accept it or not.

00;20;27;06 - 00;20;50;23
Unknown
So you know it can apply to everybody. You just have to figure out how their mind works. I love I love the understanding that you have on that because, yeah, for me, science and spirituality are just different languages. You explain so much of what we do not know and also so much of which we do. And then there are those moments where the science and virtuality completely just smash into each other and there is no disputing that.

00;20;50;23 - 00;21;12;18
Unknown
And those are the moments that sent chill down my spine and just make me feel so excited. And these moments that I never thought being a bridge between the science and the spiritual and within that knowing that whether it is acknowledged or not, like you have a cell, your soul is traveling, the soul is going places, whether or not you pay attention to that or not.

00;21;12;18 - 00;21;38;08
Unknown
I think anybody listening will be able to feel into the great benefits that can come from just paying attention, because otherwise all you have is a blind spot, you know, like a completely unexplored black hole of your own consciousness and your own psyche and for me personally, that makes me feel very uncomfortable and that makes me feel a lot more uncomfortable then exploring and learning and deepening and experiencing.

00;21;38;11 - 00;21;55;10
Unknown
That's true. You know, a lot of people are scared of what they don't know. And like, the physical world is everything we can see. But there's so much more. You know, like you said, we spend a third of our lives asleep, which is a big chunk, you know, and we're dreaming and we're asleep. And I've always thought, like, I don't want to miss out on those memories.

00;21;55;10 - 00;22;15;29
Unknown
I want to pay attention to them. I want to use them to my benefit. Like there's some juicy stuff there, like a life hack, you know? So, yeah, it's important to pay attention to our dreams and our subconscious. Pretty much every single phobia that any person can ever have can kind of be tracked back to the root cause of fear of death, which is like the old unknown.

00;22;16;01 - 00;22;46;07
Unknown
And so for me, in in these explorations and starting to understand myself as a spiritual being and realizing that this soul of my is in the tunnel kind of the fear that can be associated around death kind of gets dissolved, just disappears. And then with that fear of death disappear. And if all of a sudden you're not afraid of the unknown in the ultimate way of death anymore, then all of these kind of little things seem to dissolve and disappear.

00;22;46;07 - 00;23;07;05
Unknown
And you find yourself with more space to be able to explore and learn about these other things that were once unknown to you that then end up becoming familiarity. So that's also a wonderful journey to to be on personally and to observe other people on. Some people are terrified of the idea of existing past death and some people it relieves them.

00;23;07;05 - 00;23;30;22
Unknown
I've noticed and I've noticed that like, yeah, a lot of my dreams too, have helped eliminate my fear of death because I know, like I've seen myself die, I've thought I've been dead already, so I kind of already felt it. And dream prepares you for death. Sleep essentially prepares you for death because the same way we wake up in the morning, our consciousness is practicing essentially to die and reincarnate again into whatever other journey.

00;23;30;25 - 00;24;07;17
Unknown
So that's like a big purpose that dreams serve for us. They like prepare us for scary situations or life threatening situations, and also for that transition of consciousness. So we don't even realize it, but our brains kind of preparing us. It's so true. And yeah, just making that connection back to yoga, like what is the final resting position called the Master, which is called expose, which is giving yourself that space to connect to your true essence, to connect to thoughts, to connect to the nothingness that we really are, which is really the same thing as being dead through my work and my experiences.

00;24;07;17 - 00;24;35;24
Unknown
And what I've what I've noticed and seen is that when people if people are experiencing any form of suicide or ideation, then oftentimes that is a big part of the picture that becomes overlooked. It's like we all have a longing for our soul to return to is to return to where we came from. And if that sense of nothingness that you can feel in Savastano snow or in meditation or in trance, that just connects you to the thoughts and connects you to your essence.

00;24;35;24 - 00;24;57;06
Unknown
And maybe in a lot of cases that is what the ideation comes from, is that desire to be connected to where to where you came from. The physical existence is a very difficult place to be. My belief at least, is that like, you know, your consciousness kind of remains in a way and we'll kind of transition. But like sometimes it's better to work things out here because if not, you're going to have to work them out when you die.

00;24;57;06 - 00;25;17;00
Unknown
Like agreed, I agree. Great things, repeat patterns repeat, it happens. That's not to say that I don't believe that there is a way to not allow a pattern to repeat. I do believe that we can deal with things on this level without also needing a human body to be able to do so. But that's a whole other conversation.

00;25;17;00 - 00;25;35;28
Unknown
Again, it's just my opinion. I have no idea if it's right or not. It's just what I've what I feel to be true at this moment. But in terms of part life regression, regression and seeking things, repeat with my client work, I oftentimes have people wanting to regress to path lives and I don't do that path like regression.

00;25;36;03 - 00;25;56;03
Unknown
I believe that it's a very an amazing way for people to spiritually bypass because I think if things are repeating, then they can just go to those regions and times in their life in this current manifestation of life, to be able to see those issues and not necessarily have to go into past lives in order to be able to do so.

00;25;56;09 - 00;26;13;25
Unknown
Sometimes it happens naturally, and when it happens, it makes sense that it's happening because that is really where the work needs to be done. So it's not something that I will lead people to intentionally. And if it does happen, then I just accept, okay, this is where the work needs to be done and it happens probably less than 5% of the time.

00;26;13;27 - 00;26;33;29
Unknown
So you are the dream Queen. And sometimes, like I know for me anyway, when you've had a big night of exploration, Anthony, wake up and all of a sudden it's like you realize in order to function as a human being, like practices and grounding and like some kind of technique to tether you back for me anyway is like, very important.

00;26;33;29 - 00;26;53;15
Unknown
Is that the thing to you? Yeah, I definitely have it into my practice. Like I do a lot of meditation at night as I'm falling asleep. You know, just the two transitional periods are very important, so like falling asleep and waking up. So when I'm falling asleep, I kind of just prepare myself, meditate, get myself in a good thought process, good mindset.

00;26;53;15 - 00;27;10;25
Unknown
I'll like go over a dream plan if I have one, you know, kind of set the stage for my intentions for the dreams. And then when I'm waking up, you know, I let myself wake up slowly. Like that's a very important time for me because I want to remember my dreams. So I take time to wake up. I don't just jump out of bed and use an alarm and get out.

00;27;10;25 - 00;27;30;05
Unknown
Go about my day. So I make sure I write down my dreams. Like that's the first thing I do pretty much every day is like, make sure I can see if I remember any dreams. And if not, I let them come back to me. And then just in general, throughout my day, I do a lot of mindfulness practice and this is just is become something even beyond dream work that's just helped me throughout my life.

00;27;30;09 - 00;27;56;11
Unknown
And sometimes when I have a really stressful dream, I do have to take time, like you said, to ground myself and process it and create some space so that it doesn't affect my psyche too much. Yeah, very similar stuff. They spend a lot of time in meditation. I visualized routes coming down from my feet, connecting me to the center of the earth, spending a lot of time in nature at the beach or hike through the jungle food as well.

00;27;56;11 - 00;28;18;04
Unknown
If I feel like I need rerouting, I'll eat a lot of fruit, vegetables, grounding foods and just like setting that intention, setting the intervention to be here in this body, connected to this are connected to everything around me that is here to interact and knowing that there is a time and a space for trance and time to space to dream work.

00;28;18;04 - 00;28;41;23
Unknown
And it is just a tiny, very important part of this human existence and allowing that trance work and dream work to make so much space in your everyday reality. I don't know if it's the same with you, but when I neglect on that part of things, time feels very different to me. In my waking hours. It feels as though there just isn't enough time in a day.

00;28;41;24 - 00;29;03;00
Unknown
Whereas when I do take the space to dream and be in tribes and everything, it's like there is all of this spaciousness and all of this time that opens up to me and I'm able to fit more in and I'm able to navigate between things more easily and things just kind of feel like they're in and in a flow that's being guided by something bigger than myself.

00;29;03;07 - 00;29;27;05
Unknown
As somebody who is really wanting to make dreams a part of like a practice of tangibility that they can use to manifest and get to my goals quicker and to be in the highest office on this planet. And to reach more people and to help more people. What would you what advice would you got for me? Well, do you write your dreams down at all?

00;29;27;05 - 00;29;43;25
Unknown
Inconsistently. Okay. So definitely started Dream Journal, you know, keep it going. Like write all your dreams down or, you know, as many as you can. Like, I know that it can be hard, but, you know, first thing in the morning, record your dreams and because that will help you with lucid dreaming. Like how how often do you have lucid dreams?

00;29;43;29 - 00;30;02;01
Unknown
I would say I have lucid dreams probably a couple of times a week. But that's when it's being controlled by me. Okay, perfect. So? So lucidity is a spectrum, right? So you could be semi lucid where you're kind of aware or you can be lucid, but you can't control the dream. And then you can be fully lucid with full control, right?

00;30;02;03 - 00;30;22;26
Unknown
So it's definitely like a spectrum, but that's really good. So you're in a perfect position to be able to use your dreams for like everything you're doing in life. So I'm excited for you. So definitely start writing your dreams down and just kind of incorporate whatever, you know, your dream practice into whatever you're already doing. And when you do get lucid just by writing your dreams down and thinking about them, your lucidity is going to get stronger.

00;30;23;00 - 00;30;38;22
Unknown
Have like a plan. For example, like, think of a plan of what you want to do. Like, let's say you had a lucid dream tonight with full control. Like, what is it that you want to work on? You know, say you want you're thinking of something for your business or how you can help people or whatever it is task that you think you need at the moment.

00;30;38;25 - 00;30;52;24
Unknown
There's so many ways to work with your dreams. Like when I'm lucid, I go around talking to dream characters which, you know, they could be entities that want to help you. They could be your subconscious, they could be both. So either way, it could help you. So I ask some questions. I'm like, Hey, what should I do about this?

00;30;52;24 - 00;31;20;13
Unknown
How can I help this person? Like, I sometimes I'll just interview them like a podcast and it'll give me ideas for, like, things to talk about. So I'll literally question my dream characters all the time. Like, that's one of my favorite things because it's a source for like conversation and inspiration. And then if you're already in the practice of writing down your dreams, that's the core foundation, because you'll remember whatever conversation you had in your dream with the dream characters, and then you'll be able to remember it better and write it down and your habit, you know, you won't just lose it and forget the dream.

00;31;20;14 - 00;31;40;15
Unknown
So that's why the the dream recall is very important. The Dream Journal makes you remember more and it just kind of has you always thinking about it. The more you're thinking about dreams, the more you can use them consciously. But other ways to do that are like, you know, like we were saying earlier, manifest like practice building, whatever you want to build, practice like designing whatever it is that you want to bring into life.

00;31;40;15 - 00;31;55;06
Unknown
You work with it in your dreams. So if you're lucid and you can control your dream, you could summon something that you want to work with, see how it works, study it, and then wake up and record it, you know? So there's a lot of ways to do that, and you just have to remember your dreams and become lucid.

00;31;55;06 - 00;32;18;09
Unknown
And even when you're not lucid, you can still get answers like your dream. Your dream task can still come through. And like a regular dream too. I was excited as if I needed another reason to love sleeping. I know, right? It's kind of like how I felt when you were saying that about yoga is like I feel like I'm just sleeping and people are look at me like I'm just lazy and I'm productive, but I'm putting in work over here in the dream world.

00;32;18;12 - 00;32;33;07
Unknown
Like I even have dreams now that I'm like. And I think part of it is like my, my soul does this all the time anyways, but sometimes I'll notice it where I'm in a dream and I'm not even lucid like I think I'm just teach people about lucid dreaming and I'm telling them about lucid dreaming and I'm like podcasting about it and stuff.

00;32;33;07 - 00;32;45;12
Unknown
So like I'm even doing it in the astral, but sometimes it'll be like, I know I'm in a dream and I'll be telling other people like, Hey, you're in a dream. Like wake up, like become lucid. Like, look, look what I can do. Like, you're not in reality. And sometimes I'll look at me like, What are you talking about?

00;32;45;12 - 00;33;08;22
Unknown
And sometimes I'll be like, wow, I'm lucid. Like, even though it's my dream, I still wake up feeling like I was like, meeting other dreamers and helping them wake up from inside the dream. That's a really cool. So if you had that experience where you interacted with a person in your dream and then you go on to meet that person in real life, it's going to happen because like it's happened to me so many times where I'll be in a dream sometimes.

00;33;08;22 - 00;33;20;20
Unknown
One time a dream character came up to me and she was like, my God, I'm glad I found you. We have so much work to do. I'm a lucid dreamer, too. I can remember she was from London or something. She was like, We're going to do work together. That she was like, When's your period? Like, we're going to be sick then?

00;33;20;20 - 00;33;33;09
Unknown
And she was like, You have to find me on social media. She, like, gave me her social media handle. But obviously, like when I woke up, every time that happens, like I wake up and like, I can't remember the name or like I can't find the profile or something. And that's happened to me a bunch of times where I'm talking to a dream character.

00;33;33;09 - 00;33;49;17
Unknown
She's like, Yeah, I'm lucid too. Like, I'm dreaming right now. And I'm like, No way. Me too. And she's like, Yeah, like, follow me. And that's happened to me a bunch of times. I've even told people like, Hey, in case I can't find you, go Google the Dream World podcast and say that you found me in a dream and I'll remember you.

00;33;49;18 - 00;34;08;21
Unknown
So I'm still waiting for them to be like, Hey, I remember you from my dream. It'll happen. It'll happen one of these days. Let me know when it does. Maybe it we will. I won't even consciously realize it. Like maybe some of these people. I've met them before and I'm already working with them, but like, my conscious self doesn't recognize them, but my dream self have already been working with them for years.

00;34;08;21 - 00;34;28;04
Unknown
You know what I mean? Like, that's also something that I believe in that we're not always aware of the work that our subconscious is doing in the dream world. So maybe I already have. Who knows? I love this conversation is so expanding. It's so amazing. And I'm just like floating the urge to want to, like, go off and stare into space and just like, dork out with myself because I'm like, currently recording a pilot.

00;34;28;04 - 00;34;49;07
Unknown
But it's so cool. I feel as though I have this woman who I feel so familiar to me, and there's a meditation that I do. I am in my body and I offer up to, well, I'm out of body, but I'm in this body and I hover and I'm at the edge of the earth and I'm looking down.

00;34;49;09 - 00;35;08;01
Unknown
And then I look around and there's all the healers, all the women are there are the guardians and the protectors of the earth. With me, we hold hands and we say a prayer and we send good vibes and love to her. And a woman who I know from that space, I was at a waterfall and like my happy place and it was amazing.

00;35;08;01 - 00;35;26;16
Unknown
We had the waterfall to ourself all day long and we had a sacred mushroom ceremony and we were just with the water. And the only other path that we saw that entire day was this woman who we recognize from that dream or that scene or that meditation, whatever it is I want to call it. And it was her.

00;35;26;21 - 00;35;48;02
Unknown
There was no disputing the fact that I'd seen this woman before, and she recognized me, too. We didn't speak, but we looked at each other and we just acknowledged each other. And there was so much love in that moment. And she had her moment with the waterfall and she left and I didn't ever see her again. That's what this conversation led me to remember when I went to who she is.

00;35;48;02 - 00;36;07;26
Unknown
Yeah, I definitely believe that for sure. I've heard so many stories like that that there's like no way that, like, all these people are just making this up. Like, we're all, like, experiencing these things and like, seeing things come to fruition from our dreams, the like. It's obvious that it's not just a dream, like people brush it off as and I think the animals communicate with us along through our dreams too.

00;36;07;26 - 00;36;27;06
Unknown
I'm thinking of this shared dream that I had when I was living in Costa Rica. I was living at the retreat center that I was also volunteering and teaching at. And there was this little Chihuahua who was beloved like everybody loved this little Chihuahua. And then all of a sudden he went missing like the dog was nowhere to be found and everyone was heartbroken.

00;36;27;07 - 00;36;50;20
Unknown
We're like, where is where is the united little Chihuahua go? And then in the next few nights we all had recurring and the same dream of this dog being trapped somewhere. And he was scared and he was dark and describing the surroundings like there was no disputing that four of us were having the exact same dream. And I feel like it was him trying to communicate with us.

00;36;50;20 - 00;37;08;21
Unknown
And then we ended up finding him. He was in the next town along somebody from the center had gone on an errand to the next town to do something, and they just found him and brought him straight home. But it was wild that we all had the same recurring dream about where he was, and he was definitely, definitely communicating with us.

00;37;08;24 - 00;37;25;07
Unknown
Speaking of animals, I don't know if you can hear my dog barking in the background. So I think that since they can't communicate the way we can, they have like extrasensory types of perception. You know, they they see in other dimensions and like, they even enter our dreams sometimes. So I think they do that more naturally than we do.

00;37;25;08 - 00;37;52;11
Unknown
Do you have anything that you want to share with people? Like where can they find you? And like what you have going on? So if anybody is interested in hypnotherapy, if anybody is living their life and their life is naturally showing them where some deep inquiry and clarity and resolution is needed, and you resonated with me from listening to this podcast, it would be really amazing to hear from you so you can add to my website in it it's WW Adult.

00;37;52;14 - 00;38;19;06
Unknown
Rhiannon Okay. Dot com and you can set up a free 15 minute consultation and we can chat further, see if they're the resident, see how I can be a part of this and maybe we end up working together. I feel as though the way to create a better world for everyone and for you, for me, for all of us, for the generations to come is to focus on your inner world, to focus on what peace looks like to you, to focus on those obstructions that keep us from peace.

00;38;19;06 - 00;38;41;25
Unknown
Because once we experience peace in our hearts, on the micro scale, all of that ripples out and all of a sudden the world at large looks like a more peaceful place, a place that we wouldn't hesitate into wanting to bring future generations into the world. If you want to make a difference, which you do, we all do. Humans are good by nature and we are purpose led and we all want to do good in the world.

00;38;41;25 - 00;38;57;09
Unknown
And sometimes wanting to change the world can lead us into places of desperation and despair because it's just too much for one person to hold. You don't have to think like that. You don't have to worry about changing the world because all you have to do is change yourself and you have the power to be able to do that.

00;38;57;09 - 00;39;17;10
Unknown
You have so much power to be able to do that and let that empower you. Let that inspire, allow the ripples of your own personal healing to ripple out and bring about more change than you could ever imagine. So that's what's on my heart. I love that. Thank you so much for just joining me and bringing your beautiful energy has been so fun talking to you.

00;39;17;10 - 00;39;42;16
Unknown
Absolutely. Sounds good. So much love to you. You too. Bye bye.


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