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Cypress Point Is Underrated (A Golf Trip Of A Lifetime)
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A gate at Cypress Point doesn’t just start a round, it flips your brain into a different mode. We’re still buzzing from a Monterey Peninsula golf trip that somehow lives up to every rumor and then adds more, and we’re breaking down exactly what made it hit so hard.
We talk through the full run: Cypress Point Club (including the famous closing stretch on 15, 16, and 17), Monterey Peninsula Country Club with its one-two punch of Shores and Dunes, and a late stop at Pasatiempo Golf Club that brought us back to earth fast. Along the way we shout out the people who made it special, especially Ken Noonan and Jenny, plus our caddie Justin for being the perfect mix of helpful, calm, and brutally precise about targets.
The deeper thread is golf course architecture and mindset. We dig into why Alister MacKenzie designs still stand up to modern technology, how “being off by inches” can turn into an 85 foot problem, and what it feels like to be so aware you’ll remember a round for the rest of your life that it messes with your swing. We also get real about coaching, short game confidence, and why the best golf trips are built as much in the car rides, dinners, and laughs as they are on the scorecard.
If you love golf travel, iconic courses, and the messy human side of trying to play well on the biggest stage, you’ll feel right at home. Subscribe, share this with your golf group, and leave a review with the best course you’ve ever played.
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Welcome And Trip Tease
SPEAKER_00Hello and welcome to another episode of the Measured Golf Podcast, where you, the listeners, sit down and join Chuck and I as we discuss all things golf. And the only thing golf-related I want to talk about is what Chuck and I just did, which was complete the trip of trips out to the Monterey Peninsula in California. And not only did we have amazing weather, we had amazing company, and we also played some of, if not the finest golf course in all of the land. And I know I'm still buzzing, I know I'm still overstimulated. Um, I don't think it's gonna wear off anytime soon, but man, what a trip! And I know Chuck is eager to dive into this one, as am I, because we've teased it for a couple weeks. We have done it, and the only promise that we have broken is that we are not together for this episode. But I think all the golf DJs out there will appreciate that there was golf to be played, and Chuck and I chose to play more golf instead of do the podcast. So forgive us for that. But we are going to keep every other promise and share the details of maybe I I think it's easy to say the best golf trip I will ever make the rest of my life.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, this was a um a bit of a make-a-wish type of trip. Um, and as we mentioned, it happened fast, it came up fast. Um all thanks to friend of the show, Ken Noonan. Uh, big shout out to he.
SPEAKER_00Should we make him the president of the Measured Golf Podcast Fan Club? El Presidente.
SPEAKER_01He can be whatever he wants to be.
SPEAKER_00I'm I'm with you. Uh sign off.
SPEAKER_01But his his wife, Jenny, also needs to be um whatever she wants to be, also. We we got to play with her both days, and she player player play. She's complained about she doesn't hit it anywhere, she's busting drives, making putts. Um, she was a blast to play with. Um, Ken's always a great time to play with great too. Yeah, he he hit a lot of shots.
SPEAKER_00I'll tell you what, man. Ken went full grind mode on us at Cyprus and just real, I mean, had some amazing Sandys, uh, really, really played well, hit some really nice golf shots. I and and you too. I mean, I think I think everybody in the group, you know, played fairly well and and made some birdies.
The San Jose Hotel Fiasco
SPEAKER_00And man, what a trip. What a what a trip.
SPEAKER_01Let uh I'm gonna start because it's I'm uh it's my fault that we are not doing this together. So I'm gonna tell, I'm gonna give the we we we play um we play Tuesday. Uh that was the last day of the trip. We're flying out Wednesday morning. Um and uh we tag we put uh Pasatiambo. We tagged it on the end of Tuesday afternoon. We literally teed off at four o'clock at Pasitiempo on the way back to San Jose. And I assumed we would get back to San Jose and we'd have plenty of time to do an hour-long podcast when we got to the hotel. We are entering the city limits of San Jose. It was only what 40-minute drive from Pasa Timpo. Yeah, it was like 45 minutes from Cyprus to Pasa, 45 to San Jose. And I get on my phone, on my Marriott app to book us a hotel, and I am like, Michael, there is there check your app. Like, there's something wrong with my app. It's it is showing that every Marriott in a 20-mile radius of the airport is is unavailable. This is like this is not right. I'm someone who never books hotels that far in advance. I'm typically a day of in a big city, especially. And uh there's some conference going on, as we find out, as we we pull into the hotel I stayed in Saturday night, and the guy's like, yeah, there's a Google conference going on. Every hotel is booked um in uh in and around San Jose, Hilton the same.
SPEAKER_00Um and uh but we did find a nice couple's retreat.
SPEAKER_01We found we found a hotel that shower magnet was the fact that a family of cockroaches didn't greet us when the door opened, and that I didn't bring bed bugs home, and that no one kidnapped us during the night are all miracles. So we were rushed. I had to get the the car back by 11.
SPEAKER_00The sign of a quality hotel is an ATM in the lobby.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So my fault to the listeners that we are not together for this. Um I was frustrated, it had been a long day, I was tired, I was cranky.
SPEAKER_00You were, but we got through it. We got we got you some Chipotle and you calmed right down.
SPEAKER_01Got some Chipotle, I got some food in me. Um, so that's why we're not doing this together. But we've we've had a day or two to digest and look back and look at photos. Uh, I was um I I think I had my phone
Cypress Point First Impressions
SPEAKER_01out on nearly every hole. I was trying to do a good job of getting photos and videos and um uh uh I was also checking, hitting the refresh button on. I gotta give a quick shout out to the Mox, the Chattanooga Mox, the sixth time in NCAA history, an 11th seed has come through uh a regional and into the uh NCAA finals, into the tournament. There's 30 teams left. Um the youngest team in the field, uh, a bunch of freshmen sophomores uh ward as a junior. But uh big shout out to the Mox and Blaine Woodruff, uh head coach for getting in. That's super exciting. City's pumped for you guys. So I am playing Cyprus, taking photos, and hitting the refresh on their last like nine holes as they're battling it out with Tennessee to see who goes on. Um But I think you would agree. I think we said it the um let's get the excited, you know, the picturesque holes out of the way. 15, 16, 17 are as incredible. So we we said it after the round, like you you ex you're expecting a 10 out of 10. And not only did you get the 10 out of 10, it over-delivered on the last three holes. I think we both agreed that it was it was a no-brainer over-delivered.
SPEAKER_00Um I was fearful that I had overbuilt it in my head, and I honestly, as we were driving out to Cyprus, I was like, I hope I haven't done this to where I've I've built it up to so much that it's gonna be a letdown. Yeah, and you can build that thing to the moon, and it still overdelivers. I mean, the the gentleman that hosted us was like, Yeah, the like I was blown away with one, I was blown away with two. I the the the holes that are quote unquote not the showstoppers are incredible, and he's like, Yeah, just wait, just wait. And I'm like, wait for what? Like this this is so amazing, and then he did, and then we get there, and it's just like you can't you walk through that gate, go across 17 mile drive or whatever that is, and you walk through that gate, man. And it I said it in a comment on my Instagram post about it. Um I I I literally think it's a it's a portal to a different dimension of this planet because you just cannot explain 15, 16, 17 to people. You can't like there, I don't at least I don't have the vocabulary to explain to people what happens when you walk through that gate because it is unreal.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I wish I had a better lexicon as well to to have better adjectives to describe what we saw and felt and felt it it's out of a movie. It's like if a movie decided to make a golf hole, like that's how they would have done it. Um and and he and shout out to the the member that hosted us. Um he was he kept saying, wait, wait, you know, just wait, just wait. I and we talked about it. I really loved three, four, and five. Um they were and and our caddy also shout out to Justin. He was incredible, great guy, great guy. Yeah um made the round so fun. It and that that's always one big thing that can also add to the experience. The caddy experience, um, because I've been some I've been in some really good places. Uh I was at National Golf Links. I had a caddy. It was his uh second round he'd ever been there, and he asked me on the second hole how long we thought this was gonna take because he had a job interview that he had to get to afterwards. He lost my head cover, he lost a head cover of mine on the first four holes, each hole. So your caddy experience is is also a part of the whole thing, and Justin was awesome, fantastic.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, uh gave us a lot of like information, yeah. And yeah, really kind of told us like, hey, check this out, or hey, check, and I love that. And I think both of us, you know, the thing that I enjoyed about you on this trip is you're like me in regards to you like looking at the pictures in the clubhouses and the locker rooms, you like kind of checking out the history, you like kind of hearing the stories that made the club. Uh, you really appreciate things like that, as do I. Uh, and I thought Justin did a really nice job of of giving us cool stories, cool information without being over the top, because sometimes those guys have so much that they want to tell you that it's like, all right, man, cool. Like, I'm trying to play golf. But yeah, he was he he did a great job with it.
SPEAKER_01That's a great point. He um he was not over talkative or verbose, like he was he understood, hey, these guys are here to play some golf. Like, I'm gonna give him a little tidbit and back, you know, back away. And um he did a great job.
SPEAKER_00I mean, it's it's not uh and speaking from experience, you know, double bagging is is not not the easiest of task. No, um, and especially like that's it's a very pleasant walk, but I mean you you gotta hoof it. Like you gotta you got some terrain to cover there, and I thought that he did an amazing job. I don't remember really ever waiting for a club or waiting for him to get to me. Um, I thought he did a really nice job with that, but very, very professional caddy. Uh definitely agreed that he made the experience better.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, he he really did. And he described it um well when he said it's six, six, and six. And the first six, kind of Parkland, middle six, dunesy, last six, kind of getting you to the water. Um, I don't think because I certainly, and I said it while we were playing, I didn't expect as many holes that were um designed around the dunes as were designed around the dunes. Um and they're not small dunes, they're big dunes. Mass, I mean like huge hills, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um and I loved uh I like the fact that it sounds like they brought a lot of that back. It sounds like maybe they're for a period of time they had kind of gotten away from the dunes, not saying that they weren't there, but they were maybe overgrown with some stuff, and it sounds like they've really cleared a lot of that out of there to to make the dunes pop more. And like when you're looking at, you know, when you're on two T looking left, and it's just all dunes, man, is that that's an incredible sight. Really cool.
SPEAKER_01Uh thought um I thought eight and nine the greens were so unique, especially nine. Um but they were two golf holes that were unfazed by technology. Um like you basically were gonna play them the way they were intended to be played, uh, even with modern technology. Um and uh I yeah, I was just blown away by the um conditioning of the course. And I was also blown away um you and I immediately noticed the staff and the pros there, how welcoming everyone was. It was not stuffy.
SPEAKER_00You did not no tourist treatment at all.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um they were not trying to usher us along and you know, like, yeah, great, you're here, go do your thing and get out of here. No, they were so welcoming. And our host member, incredibly generous to uh take us up to the clubhouse for lunch afterwards on this back patio that I'm gonna do.
SPEAKER_00You want to talk about a view for lunch? Oh it's an unreal view. It's 16. That's the view.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's uh looking at 16 green. Um unbelievable.
SPEAKER_00Food was great too.
SPEAKER_01And um I'm just gonna start bouncing around. Uh,
Caddie Justin And Course Personality
SPEAKER_01but uh the man that made it possible, Ken Noonan, um, hosted this the first two days at uh MPCC. And I had been um I'd really been talking this up to Michael.
SPEAKER_00Um I am Michael wasn't hearing it, I'll admit it. I wasn't yeah, I was there for the the main event, and uh man, I before you get into it, I I feel embarrassed I didn't know more about it because I mean it is such a great place. The shores we played first, uh, even in and wind, um, really enjoyed that. Uh you know, I told you that was solidly in my top five, yeah. And and I know you've played some great tracks, and I was like, what's he talking about here? Like, I haven't it just wasn't on my radar, but a lot of California golf courses are not on my radar because I don't get out there very often. So, but man, you know, I just don't know. I mean, the the the shores course or the shore course, I should say, it's one of those golf courses you could just play every day the rest of your life and be perfectly happy. I mean, you're giving up nothing. Um, it's very fun. The greens were arguably some of the better greens we played on the whole trip.
SPEAKER_01They were they were my favorite greens the whole time.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um, I mean, just incredible. And then, you know, I think it I think it goes back to, and and I don't want this to take away from the golf courses because the golf courses were amazing. But, you know, I was playing with you, which I knew was going to be great. I enjoy my time on the golf course with you, always have. Uh, but just Ken and Jennifer were just so much fun, and we had such a good time out there with them. Um, and and Ken is a world-class host, you know, really tells you stuff, and and similar to Justin, right? I mean, he obviously is not caddying for us, but at the same time, just you know, hey, check this out, and we redid this, and I really like how we've done this over here, just amazing amounts of information explain to us how the marine layer works, uh, which Jennifer gave him a bunch of grief about. But I hey, I I love learning things, so it was great spending time with Ken. But yeah, I mean, I I don't know from an overall club experience perspective, I just don't know what more you could want. I mean, they have two amazing restaurants there, they they have amazing golf courses. Yeah, I I I mean, you really can't even pick them apart. I we talked about it. The Dunes uh course potentially has the best collection of par threes you're gonna find anywhere.
SPEAKER_01I'm trying to think back to some places I've played, uh, and it's it's in the top three of total collection of par threes, uh, with one of them being one of the cooler designs I've ever seen. A dog leg par three. Now you're asking yourself as you're listening. Okay, that sounds like a dumb hole. Like you're laying up in awesome. You're not laying up, you're you're hitting on the green.
SPEAKER_00Um it's like playing pool, like you're like hitting a a bank shot into the green, kind of that you're trying to work around that corner if the pen's back there. It's so and it's not we're not gonna neither one of us have the the vocabulary for this, but like it it sounds crazy and and concept, but then you play it and you're like, this is cool. Why aren't there more of these? Like this is a good thing.
SPEAKER_01And that's what I thought. I I thought the exact same thing. Why is this not a um why is this technique not used? Because there was this this ridge in the middle that if you're uh if you're listening, think of an upside down L and so a dog legs right. And if you hit a bit of a piercing trajectory shot, you could land this, you could hit this ball into this slope and it would kick it dead right and then feed down because there was another 20 yards right of of where the main green was. Um one of the most unique designs I've ever seen. And it wasn't it wasn't tricked up, like it asked you to hit a very straight shot that would then go right.
SPEAKER_00So it was more about getting the number correct off the T to get it to land on the on the right spot to get it where you needed it to be. Yeah, and I I thought the thing that was really cool too is you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but you hit it a bit right and it spit it out. Am I am I remembering this correctly? Yeah, so there was this like um Dune to the right.
SPEAKER_01Ken had just said, hey, there's this really kind of uh there's this new piece we've added, it's it's this like firm dune sand. And uh he's like, don't hit it there, but if you do, it'll kick it. And you know, I of course proceeded to hit it there. Um and but it did, it like kicked it down.
SPEAKER_00But that's what like great design is, right? Because you know if that pin is back there, people are trying to cut it or they're trying to do whatever they do, and you know that more shots than not are gonna wind up on the right side of that hole or that green. So I think it's really cool that you can kind of get away with that and you don't just get trapped up and in that stuff. Like that's I think that's really, really cool on that hole. I I obviously was a big fan of 14.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, 14. So, Michael, let's let's go ahead and get this out of the way. Michael 14 is uh across the road on 17 mile drive with the Lone Cypress. Um, what is also cool is 17 Mile Drive is a big tourist attraction, and all these tourists obviously come into the spot. Oh, there's a golf hole, like everybody's taking photos. There's like 25 people behind us watching us hit golf shots. Uh, so it's cool to have a bit of an audience. And Michael says he calls it on the T. He's like, I'm birdieing this hole. Birdie's 14. The next day we get to 15, which I I I think 16 obviously gets a lot of fanfare. I I may be inclined to say the 15th hole is a better golf hole.
SPEAKER_00Um I I mean, I wouldn't disagree with you just because I mean we caught it on a Chamber of Commerce Day, man. And if there would have been some real wind that we had to contend with. We were still hitting I hit lace three wood that literally hit the wall and bounced off.
SPEAKER_01And it was really not blowing that hard.
SPEAKER_00So I can't imagine well that's why that fair there's when we were walking over there. Like I thought that there, and this is on me for not doing my homework better, but I thought that that landing area on the left, that fairway that they have left where that cypress tree is, I thought that that was going to be like a sliver. And it's a huge fairway. Massive. Like there's a massive chunk of land. But the reason that's there is because if there's any more wind in your face, you're gonna have to play it over there to the left and try to chip on and make par the old-fashioned way. Uh, but yeah, I mean, I absolutely laced a three-wood on that T that hit the retaining wall and luckily got over the water. Um, but I mean it it's yeah, I mean, I easily could have hit Bunt Driver and there was minimal wind.
SPEAKER_01Um 15 may be the better golf hole, and it doesn't get as much fanfare, and it's it's gorgeous as well, especially as you're walking around, you can kind of see down into this uh uh cavernous area. Um so cool. But but Michael again birdies 15. So like you'll get you'll be older and you won't remember you'll you'll remember how you maybe played. You will never remember your score, but you will remember, yeah. Man, I birdied 14, I birdied 15. It was really cool, a cool memory. Yeah. Um you gotta pick and choose your spots, brother. Yeah, yeah, those were two big spots. It was fun to watch. I gave you a big high five on both of them.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, uh, because that was so cool. I don't think anyone was cheering harder for that putt on 15 to go in than you.
SPEAKER_01Oh, it gets yeah, the putt, it was uh, you know, tiger at 16 chip-in moment. Michael plays bridgestone balls, and I see the bridge stone hang on the edge, and I'm like, go in, and it just takes that last revolution in the cup.
SPEAKER_00Um, but I would have never forgiven myself if I left that one on the list.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I know that would have that would have stung. Um but back to uh MPCC. Um incredible.
SPEAKER_00And I mean, honestly, I was thinking about it. We could have we could have only played MPCC and I would have came home a happy man. I mean, in all honesty, and I and I mean that in the most complimentary way. I tried to tell you I I'm I'm telling you, man, like I dunes is is definitely a a a little more stern of a test. Uh shout out to to Jenny saying that the reason the white flags were so on the on the shore course the flags are red, on the dunes course, the flags are white. And I think you had mentioned that to Jenny, and she's like, Yeah, you're you're right, that's that's how it works. And Jenny, or maybe Ken said, Yeah, that's how it works. And then Jenny's like, they're white because you'll want to surrender. So the the Dunes course is definitely a more stern test, but in terms of like going out, being super playable, the shore course, man, it's just so much fun, so interesting. You feel like you're not, but you feel like you're on the water the entire round. Um, oh yeah. And then is it is it called Joe's Point? Am I getting that right? Yes, I think you're right.
SPEAKER_01Their practice, their second practice facility is incredible. The number one hands down best practice facility, maybe in the world. The the scenery is especially the view. Yeah, that's that's kind of what I mean.
SPEAKER_00Like the view and the setting is I mean, it's a great short game area, it's a great putting green, it's a great driving range, but you're literally like not only can you see the ocean, but you can look like if you're hitting balls on the range, you can look up if you're a right-handed player, and then you can like see down the coastline and see the surf. And like, yeah, it's it's absolute, it's that's probably the thing that I was the most proud of the whole trip. Is for as much eye candy as there was, being able to stay focused on the task at hand, like it's not easy out there because you just get lost looking at the ocean, yeah. Um, especially me because I love the water, but yeah, I mean, it just mpcc incredible. Cypress, I don't have words for it, you know. And by the way, um, if if you want to see, and and the pictures do it no justice, but if you want to see, uh,
MPCC Shores Love And Dunes Test
SPEAKER_00I've posted some pictures of it up on uh my Instagram at the Forceplate Guy. Um, super cool stuff. But just a note, um, I can't get you on Cypress, so please please don't message me asking to get on Cypress. I I can't help you with that. Um, it's a treat. And you know, a lot of people have told me we met a guy. The craziest thing is, honestly, and I told my wife this, and she was laughing. She thought I was making it up. It's true. We met a cool guy out at Pasa Tempo, hockey guy. So we hit it off. Uh, me being from Michigan. He actually lived here in Ann Arbor for a bit. But we were we were trying not to be those guys. We were really trying our best. I thought I had a good line. You had a great line. Tell uh tell everybody what the line was. Well, he he had he had driven up from wherever LAX, I think, that morning.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and he he drove a long way to come come play golf late in the afternoon at Pasa. Um and he meets us on the first T and he says, we asked what he had been doing, then he asked what we've been doing. And I said, Well, we played golf today. We played golf earlier, and he's like, Oh, okay, awesome, man. What'd you play? And I was like, ah, we we played another McKenzie course. And I don't think it hit him, it certainly hadn't hit him. And then it hit him about number five or six. And he was like, What do you mean? Like, what do you mean, another McKinsey course? Like, there's not one around here. And I was like, Well, south of us, there's Cypress.
SPEAKER_00He like gave us a big hug. He literally, a a grown man, yeah, he was so happy for us. He's like, Come here, and he gives us both, like, we have a nice little hug. Uh, but I mean, that's the Cypress experience, right? Like, that's and I I get it. There's a lot of people that are trying to figure out a way, um, and and keep trying to figure it out, man, because if if you can get yourself out there, I just I as somebody who's been to Augusta, played Augusta, um I just don't know. I mean, Augusta's great in its own way, but I I just don't know. Like if you said, hey, you've got one round left. I know Jack says his his last round is pebble. Give me Cypress all day, every day of the week. Like nowhere.
SPEAKER_01And I've I've played Pebble, yeah. I agree with Gimme Cypress. Um it was um yeah, pretty undescribable trip that was great too, by the way.
SPEAKER_00We haven't really talked about that, but Pasa was great. Yeah. Greens weren't great, but I'm gonna let that slide because they just came out of a reno. Peter Green's really cool.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. I I'm gonna I was frustrated with the greens because I had I've watched the Western Intercollegiate for a long time and I've been really looking forward to playing it. It's another McKenzie. Um, I'm very fond of a lot of things that he does because of the uniqueness of the Greens. And that they typically withstand the technology of today. They typically still hold up against it, and um I was pretty bummed that they were they were overly firm, but yet incredibly slow. It it was the most unique combo that you were like, I don't know if I've ever seen that. That's new for a green combo.
SPEAKER_00They were very firm. I mean, they they were they were rock hard. And and the thing that really sucked is that, and here's what I think happened. I think they've had this reno, and I think some of the greens are new or have been rebuilt, and I think that some of them haven't quite settled yet, and they're just parking lots in terms of firmness. And then you have other greens, so where you're like, oh, well, I've already been bitten by that, so let me land it on the front of the green, uh, and it just stops dead cold, and they're more receptive. So I'm gonna let it slide. Um, I'm gonna not that I'm a person that judges these things, but I'm gonna I'm gonna say T to green, very interesting, bunkering, unbelievable. It's a tough track, like it's very, very difficult.
SPEAKER_01Um, I don't think we were quite expecting how tough it was.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, three is gotta be one of the hardest part for part of threes I've ever seen in my life. That thing blown up. Chuck was not a fan of where they put the pen.
SPEAKER_01It uh we won't get into it. It was that was the dumbest hole we played all weekend.
SPEAKER_00I I don't disagree. Um, but you know, amazing, amazing T to green, definitely a McKenzie. You have no doubts about that, taking a look at this thing. Um, but yeah, I mean, I I think once again, just a very stern golf course. And I think we were both riding a high, and and nothing, it didn't matter what we went and played that afternoon, man. Like it nothing was gonna come close to the experience we had just had.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, nothing was touching the three courses. Um and uh it was just sad we didn't get to kind of use the slopes as they were intended. Like that was the frustrating part, is it would it would take these massive bounces and then get stuck on a downslope, and it's like just how does it stay there? Um and if you've watched the Western Intercollegiate, you know that the ball doesn't like to stay anywhere on those greens. Um and going back to looking at the history of the clubs, looking at the photos, um, both clubs presented their history so well. Um I really enjoyed Ken took the time at MPCC to take us around and show us and talk through. And um I mean if I I told you this, if I lived out there, that's the place that I'd want to be a member. It's it's that great. And I agree. The culture there is so cool.
SPEAKER_00Um everybody's you know into golf, and you've got two courses, and um and for being is like it's it's a high speed place for sure, but it's
The Dogleg Par Three Mystery
SPEAKER_00not stuffy, it's not pretentious. Um I felt welcome the whole time. And yeah, I I I agree with you. I I don't know where else, you know, I I think you you can kind of have your cake and eat it too with the two golf courses because even though they share this piece of property, they're very different. Like very different. Like it's it's not like oh, this is this one, and like no, they're they're very different, they're very unique from one another. Uh, and and I think I think honestly, you can kind of get what you're looking for out there, uh, depending on what kind of mood you're in, you know. So I definitely agree with you. I think if if I was out there, that's definitely somewhere that I would want to be.
SPEAKER_01Um I thought it was great that the uh second morning we uh we got to go practice for a while at uh you got to go practice for a while. I got to go. Hang on, I'm hang on, I'm getting there. Um which is not work by the way. I was gonna he he loves he he loves his job and he loves getting to teach. And it was fun to to watch you and your element um with others, with Jenny and uh with Ken. Y'all were getting some work in. Um I was getting some work in with you, but like at night before we went to bed, I'm like the man will not let me sleep.
SPEAKER_00He's like, Hey, what do you think about this? Hey, what do you think? We're watching. I said I was gonna say it on the podcast, and I'm glad that you've you've jolted my memory because I'm a little tired. But uh, I'm glad you have reminded me. Chuck has moved up, and what I mean by that is I have not met a DGI. And once again, if you're new to the podcast, that is a very endearing term that I bestow upon people. But Chuck has moved from being on the podium of DG's, I know, to in the pole position by a long way, and there is nobody that is more of a golf nut than my man Chuck. Like, I want to give you, we're gonna get you uh uh something to hang on the wall there that lets everybody know that you are D Gen number one. But man, it's it but that's what makes the trip, man. Like, that's what makes it fun is I'm that way, Ken's that way, Jennifer's that way. You know, it's just so much fun when you get around people and it's like just pure golf. Like even when we went to dinner at night, like we would talk about you know, maybe this or that a little bit, but it it always came back to the golf. And you know, that that's what makes it fun for me because I'm I'm kind of a one-trick pony. If you ask me about shows on TV or you ask me about current events in the world, I don't have a lot to give, but you know, I've quit trying to do that with you because it just it goes nowhere, it goes nowhere. Like I'm I'm not I'm just a one-track kind of guy. Uh so I I love the fact that it doesn't wear on you and it doesn't wear on Ken or Jennifer, and everybody's kind of cool to to go along on that ride, and we're all Djens together. Yeah, little D Gen golf family.
SPEAKER_01Yes. So I I loved uh you know, kind of watching y'all work and um I was getting to practice a little bit. Um and then on the golf course, too. It was so fun because you're there and you would take a video when I wasn't watching, then I I'm I get a video of you, and then that night we're like looking at our swings and kind of talking through. I mean, it was just uh just such an awesome if you if you love golf, it was that kind of trip.
SPEAKER_00And uh Mike's just like you, he hates his golf swing too. Yeah, yeah, he does, he does hate it.
SPEAKER_01Um and and it was uh I think we we were talking about it a little bit that you and I have been kind of on the cusp of feeling like really getting this golf swing dialed in. I think we started to see some fruits of that labor bear out over the trip.
SPEAKER_00Um yeah, you had some incredible shots, man. Like you you really you hit the driver incredibly well, which isn't a surprise to me. Uh you you've hit it well before, but the way it was way we were doing it. Yeah, yeah. You you hit some bombs. And I'm not I'm not gonna say that every single drive was a bomb, but I mean, for the most part, you know, I'm I'm 10 to 15 behind you uh typically, and there were a couple men where you stretched out a good 40 on me. Uh there were more than a couple, actually. Like there was you you really you kind of went through spurts with it, yeah. Uh to where you you kind of felt how we're trying to use that left leg and uh were able to really tattoo them. But you had a ton, a ton of really, really nice iron shots. And unfortunately, they didn't always work out, but that it wasn't because they weren't well struck uh with good intention. They just they they caught edges of of a bunker here and there or whatnot. But I think the thing that was really the most satisfying to me watching you play is I know how much you were fearful of like chipping and pitching the golf ball, and how much that had really haunted you in the past, and man, you know, uh arguably, and I and look, you hit your drive are great, so I know it's a big statement, but arguably the chipping and pitching of the golf ball was by far your strength on this trip. Like you really, really did a nice job with that. I was really impressed.
SPEAKER_01There were uh that had been such a strong point of my game for so long, it it masked my inability at times to hit greens that I could just save myself all the time. And and in the last year or so, it just disappeared. I mean, couldn't control low point. I think we've talked about that on on another episode. That I just I just lost every bit of how do you control the arc depth, how do you control it? And um from what you and I have been working on, yeah, there because there's some tight, tight lies at these golf courses um that'll make you look really dumb really fast. And um uh it was
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SPEAKER_01fun to hit some some pretty crispy shots and um we traded short games.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, you still there were pl plenty of I had a lot of good ones, but I had some really pissed poor ones too. I I did. I I hit some that were just not good.
SPEAKER_01That I have never seen you do. Yeah. Um because typically it's like, ooh, let me see how he does this. Like I'm I'm trying to learn.
SPEAKER_00I'll be honest. I I'll be a hundred percent honest, man. I not because of our host, not because of the the c the the staff, not because of the caddy, not because of you, not because of Ken. I never settled into Cyprus. I just never got to where I was so nervous on that first I honestly, I was trying to think about it. I think I was as nervous as probably the first professional event I played in on that first tee shot.
SPEAKER_01I mean I to be fair before you finish, to be fair, it is if you don't know the member who's hosting you at a very prestigious place, and you meet him on the first T with him not on the range, on the first T. And then you also have the golf staff standing out right behind the T. You've got a couple other people that have come out to watch a tee shot. Not that the crowd really bothers you, but it's just a nervy like this for me.
SPEAKER_00It was more of like just this kind of recognition of I mean, golf is my life's work, you know. That that's this is it. This is the total like the flags behind me, like the the this is my life. This is what I like everything, and we just said it, right? Like, don't ask me about anything other than golf, like, golf is my life, and and to more or less feel like you're at the pinnacle of this thing, and to be aware of it in the moment, man, it just makes you feel uncomfortable because you know, this is the thing that I think is really interesting. You know that you are going to be talking about this round of golf the rest of your life. Yeah, like that's true. You want so well, you want so much to be able to be like, yeah, I played great, you know, hit all these amazing shots, this, that, and the other. Like, it's just you internally, it took me. I'm not saying that I didn't calm down because I did, but I just really never settled into it to where I could let myself kind of play free. Um, and and not that it's a regret or anything, but it's just it is what it is, right? And I wish that I could have kind of found a way to be a little calmer, uh, and just let myself kind of do what I know how to do. But to your point, um, you know, I hit some some loose shots that I don't normally, I mean, I played fine, I was happy with it, made some burdies. Um made plenty of birdies, I think. Yeah, like all was well there, but it's yeah, man. And it, you know, it it's just one of those things to where sometimes my awareness um I hate because being aware in the moment of what's going on. And look, I mean, at the same and in the same conversation, I was very aware on 14 at the Dunes, I was very aware on 15 at Cyprus, and like there are those moments where you also rose to the challenge or challenge and rose to the occasion. So it's it's one of those things where give and take, but um man, I I just don't think it could have been any better wall to wall. Like I I thought it was amazing, I thought the people were amazing, um, and and the golf courses are just absolutely there's a reason people pay the amount of money they pay to live in California because. The weather was great. We got very fortunate with that. And you know, the golf courses, I mean, dude, put a golf course next to the ocean. It gets better. The scenery is good.
SPEAKER_01Um well I was I was a little nervy on the first T for the reason of like this member is thinking if these NADs hit this thing offline, like what am I gonna be dealing with the rest of the day? So I that's that what for me was more nervy than anything of just can you pound your drive on one?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but it I was still nervy that that uh you know that our host is you know now that I think about it, I think that's part of the unsettling for me is I felt like I hit a really good drive on one. And it caught the tree, and it caught that tree that I didn't really think was in play, yeah. And then when we like I'm walking, and then I like it's way back because it hits this tree, and I think that's kind of got me a little unsettled from the jump. But um, you know, the other thing that I noticed too is if you didn't tell me, and honestly, I didn't look either, but like you couldn't make me believe that that was a 60, what is it, 65, 6,600-yard course? Um you would never make me believe that in a million years. I mean, it doesn't play like that at all. Like it like you were talking, you kind of alluded to it earlier, like that place still stands up to whatever equipment technology you want to bring out there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, I think uh there was obviously some holes. Um the second hole par five was uh gonna be gettable. Now, what's what it still does to counteract some length is that you're aimed at a fairway running um at an angle to you. So uh you can't just like bomb it wherever you want. Uh so there were a couple par fives where yeah, some length helps you out, but there were plenty of other holes where you just if the driver in your hand was not the play, it wasn't gonna help you. It would probably get you blocked out. Um and 65 52 according to the scorecard. 6552, yeah. I I wouldn't have said it was I wouldn't have said it played that at all. Because obviously it it gets some length on 16 and like they're telling you on 17 you need to have a ball that flies 215 and the most it can finish is 220. I mean Justin was pretty specific, he was like 223. I was like, so carrying one 225, he's like too much. I mean like they're very specific out there about how far you're flying things. Um and then there were a couple part three other part threes that uh number seven, uh that was a good hole. Um uh yeah, you wouldn't have you wouldn't have said it played short. Like there wasn't a a time out there where you said it would have played short.
SPEAKER_00No, I mean, like you said, it's it's very I would say that you you have a lot of comfortable clubs in your hands. Now keep in mind, once again, we're we're playing this in very moderate wind, but like you you have a lot of comfortable clubs in your hands, but with that being said, you're looking at very small areas to where you you've got to hit this thing, and and you're playing you're playing on the razor's edge, like the uphill hole where I caught it, and it kind of it wasn't wasn't because of the bunker, it was actually the dune kind of turned into the bunker, and I got my ball. I mean, I'm two feet away from stuffing that thing in there, and instead I'm kind of buried in that dune. And you know, that was one of those shots that we talked about after, you know, you you're you're trying to keep up, you're trying not to hold the the group up or anything, and I I just needed a little bit more time to look at that and figure that thing out and you know, whatever. But that that was one of those examples of you've got like a seven iron in your hands or whatever the case may be, which you're like, okay, I got this, I can do this. But man, if you're not precise with the carry number and you're and you know, the thing I really like there too is you really had to work some trajectories out there. Um, and I thought that was really, really a cool part of the design, like understanding, like, oh, this is way up, like I gotta get this thing up in the air to get it to land and hold that green. But it it's just it's a thinking, I I would describe it as a thinking man's golf course. You know, it's it really challenges you to think about, you know, what did uh Dr. Alistair McKenzie design this hole to be? How did he envision you playing it? And yeah, you can you can turn into Hulk Smash and get aggressive with it, but if you're not on it, on it, it it's gonna it's gonna punish you.
SPEAKER_01That hole you're talking about was nine, where you missed the green by six inches. So here was we'll give your total inches, so you missed by six inches. Your your shot then that you were hitting to a pin that was seven, eight yards away from you, you then missed that by two inches of where it needed to stop. And the two inches turned into eighty-five feet down the slope. So that was like you took you had a total of eight inches where that golf hole turned the whole it turned everything upside down. Yeah. Uh that's how precise you had to be at times. Uh you know, the caddy would be like, you need to hit it at that. And I was like, okay, so I've got this. He's like, no, no, no, you need to hit it at that. And I would hit it and it might be ten feet left or right of that target, and he'd be like, you could hear him like kind of I think it's gonna be I got a couple of those too. Yeah, it's like I think you're like, that's nearly the same spot you told me to hit it.
SPEAKER_00Man, it's not the spot.
SPEAKER_01And he that yeah, he was just immediately like, no, it's not where it needed to be.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I liked his matter-of-factness, and I like that's the mark of a good caddy, right? Like, how many times has he been out there and seen this play out? How many times have we been there and seen this? Like, he knows what he's talking about. Like, he's he's got the the bank of information uh available to him from his experience. And once again, Justin was great, um, super helpful out there. And and and sometimes, you know, that's the thing I like about golf like that is sometimes you just have to to swallow it and go, you know what? I'm not I'm not gonna push it. Like it goes back to the the conversation we had about going on.
SPEAKER_01Like there was yeah, there was uh there was a point on eight where and talking about sometimes you just have to swallow it, you hit a shot on eight into eight green, and the member goes, that's either dead in the back bunker or you just hold it, like, or it's in the cup. Do you remember that conversation? I do, and it was dead in the back bunker, it was it was dead in the bunker, but like the fact that it was that was that kind of golf course where um it was so much fun, but but you're saying like some of the bounces didn't go your way, and you just gotta swallow it and take it. But the fact that there was a 50, it was like either you're dead or in the cup, like there was this.
SPEAKER_00I had a conversation with Ken early in the round, and I think Ken misinterpreted it. And I was talking to Ken, I was like, you know, and and dude, the first six holes just I mean, they did everything they could to roll me. I I just wasn't catching any luck at Cyprus. I think everybody in the group made a comment to me. They're like, Man, you have got the worst luck ever out here. Yeah, because like like you said, you know, it's like I'm not really I'm not hitting poor shots, they're just not working. Yeah um, so I you know, maybe it was the first eight holes, but but like, you know, I I was talking to Ken. Uh it might have been on seven the part three. Was seven the part three? Yeah, it might have been on seven, and we were walking up there. I think we were both in the bunker. I I spent some time in the in the Cyprus uh sand bunkers out there uh for the first eight holes. I I rallied strong. I was very proud of how I finished that round, but we we had some adventures early on, and I was walking up there with Ken on seven. We'd both uh just hit it in that bunker, and I was like, you know, Ken, some someday is just not your day. And I think he took it as me being like kind of down in the dumps and like saying, like, oh, this sucks, like you know, it's not gonna work out. And really what I meant by that is you know, every round of golf you play has ups and downs, and sometimes you just get all the downs out of the way early, right? And it just feels like it's on top of you, and you were not bummed out, you know, no, this is you were giving yourself a break of sometimes you just don't get a break, right? Right. And like I was really proud of in the moment, just like having this acceptance. Like, hey, this is the hard part, but it will get better, like you will catch a break eventually. It's I've never played a round of golf where you just get steamrolled the whole time, like it doesn't work that way. So when I was talking to Ken about that, it was me just trying to stay calm and be like, hey, right now we're catching the bad breaks, but it's okay, like it's gonna turn around. And he's like, Yeah, you got to dig in. And and I was like, Oh, for sure. Like, I'm not quit, like, I'm not saying like I'm not gonna try, like by any stretch of the imagination. It's just I need to be patient right now and not let myself get you know pegged out and and pissed off that I'm catching a bunch of bad breaks. But yeah, man, I I feel like I I closed pretty strongly and like I said, you know, made some birdies coming down the stretch, and the one on 15 is going in the memory bank forever. So but I think that's a good lesson to learn, right? Is is not not not taking it so personally, like the golf course isn't out to get you.
SPEAKER_01Um, it just isn't because that shot on seven, had you been one foot left, you would have hit this slope that kicks it over that you may have made a hole in one, yeah. That would have been the difference. The difference in foot.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, you're just talking about that's one of those courses to where it's you know what? Great comparison. I hadn't thought of this. It's just like Augusta that way, and you are playing on these edges all day long, and because of the slopes and the green complexes and things like that, man, you have to be precise. And sometimes six inches, two inches, eight inches, whatever inches, sometimes that's the difference. And and don't get me wrong, you go out and you play somewhere that has pretty flat greens, you can be off by those margins, it's not, but not out there, and that's the beauty of McKenzie's designs, is he requires a certain level of precision, and it doesn't matter, it's it's not horseshoes and hand grenades, you know, it it's close enough ain't gonna work out there. You've you've got to hit your spot,
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SPEAKER_00and you've got to hit your spot the appropriate way. I had a blast, though. Like, I mean, I just I and honestly, you know, I've I've talked to you about this a lot, and I I still can't believe that I even had to talk to you about this, but you know, the morning of the shores round or shore round, I should say, the morning of that round, I had flown across the country, woken up at 2 45 a.m. Uh, I'm not expecting a lot, and going out there and playing in the wind. Man, I thought that was great fun. Like, I I thought that was so much fun. The strong by the way, not just wind, like when the 30.
SPEAKER_01When that you were would set up over a putt, your ball is just oscillating, you can't, you're doing everything to hold yourself still. I watched a shot of yours. I was up by the green, the ball at one point was over the green in midair. It was over the green. By the time it finished, it nearly didn't get on the green, it was blown back that far. Um it was uh it was awesome. I mean, it was fun. Like we had a black, we kept saying, Oh my gosh, this is so cool because this is so unique. But if if you didn't hit a good shot, I mean I had one that went from like the left side of the fairway over to the right side and in some bushes.
SPEAKER_00It was an 80-yard sling. Yeah, that was probably like normalized on track, man, a seven-yard cut. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was wild, but I mean, it just once again, kind of going back to the previous episode. You know, look, the golf courses were amazing. You can tell listening to Chuck, listening to me, obviously the golf courses were spectacular, but it it's that can go a long way to make a great trip. But you know, the people that you're with, the experiences you create, the memories that you you get to create. Um that's in my opinion, that that's what makes it, that's what made it so much fun. It was it wasn't just the golf, it was the conversations in the car. It was going for the walk on the beach, uh, drinking a little coffee in the morning. You know, the the whole thing was really, really great. And I am very appreciative uh of Mr. Noonan, uh Ken, as he's told me to call him, and I just messed up again. Uh Jenny, you know, tremendous host. But also like you, you know, it's since I've met you, you've introduced me to all these people. Without you, I'm I'm not doing that trip. So I'm very appreciative of you. You were uh fantastic person to go on a golf trip with. And uh yeah, man, it it it was absolutely an awesome privilege for me to get to go out there and spend some time with you. And I really enjoyed the time in between the golf as well as the golf.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it it is about, and I uh I just sent my uh thank you notes out in the mail, and that was the the summation of those being that it the golf is great, but it is really about the people and the memories you're making with those people on the trip that stands out as how did you feel coming off the golf course and or how did you feel at dinner, or you know, that that that can make or break a a trip. Um and it was it was very special, and I think um we had a great way.
SPEAKER_00Ken and and Jenny are one of the coolest couples I've ever been around.
SPEAKER_01Like cool, Ken is a lucky guy. Uh that's Jenny is who I would want my wife to be, like this just awesome gets it lady that not gonna stop her husband from playing some golf.
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, it was so cool, and and enhances honestly enhances the experience. Yeah, like them together is better than the individual pieces, which is amazing. As somebody who's been married for quite a while myself, you know, I I literally told Buffy, my wife, when I got home, I was like, you know, A, I apologized about a couple things, and B, I was like, hey, like I I really want us to work on our relationship. And she's like, What's gotten into you? Like, did you do something stupid while you were gone? I was like, no, I just want our relationship to be like the relationship that Ken and Jennifer have together. Like, I want us like seeing that was very inspiring to me, meaning that I want to make my relationship with my wife better because that's the gold standard of relationships as I've seen it. Uh I could not agree more.
SPEAKER_01And I'm I'm not married, I haven't been married. Um, but seeing those two together um certainly set the bar for that's the kind of person I would want to end up with, um, and be how they are. Uh, like just like you said it great. They are enhanced as individuals when they're together.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um both great people on their own, but man, you put them together and it's like one plus one equals 27,000.
SPEAKER_01And and it was it was a a pleasure being with both of them. I had more fun cheering for Jenny and her good shots than I did of any of my shots. Um she's a she's a golf nut just like we are. Um, and she was having so much fun.
SPEAKER_00Jenny might be the first female DGen member of the squad. She might be. She was having go ahead.
SPEAKER_01She's up there. Yeah, she was having so much fun with you when y'all were working on her game, hitting drivers. I didn't need much work, I can promise you that. Yeah, she has a great swing, uh, but she was having so much fun, and uh that has to be fun for you as the as the teacher when somebody is figuring things out and getting a better understanding.
SPEAKER_00Well, that and it it's you know, the moment I forgive me, I I can't remember what hole it was. It had to have been on dunes because we worked together that morning. It was uh it was 16 on the dunes, and she hits a drive, yeah, and she's like, I haven't been down there ever. Yeah, and it wasn't because we were like downwind, right? Like she just hit it like hammered it, yeah, just hammered it. And it's just it's look, whether whether you're a serious golfer, whether you're a non-serious golfer, whatever, right? Now she's a serious golfer, obviously. But you know, when when you can give people that, and and I look, it's it's not that I gave it to her, I gave her some information that she then took and ran with. But that's that's the joy, that's the best part, is getting somebody who already enjoys something and cares about something to enjoy it even more. Like that's that's what makes their quality of life better. So, yes, that is a huge joy to me, but it's also the thing that frustrates me too, because and and not calling anybody out or anything, but so many golf pros, you know, don't give that to the person. Like, I literally worked with her and we went out and played that afternoon. She played great. She didn't like shank it, she didn't like hit it terrible. She was like, Oh my god, I got so many thoughts. Like, yeah, she definitely had a couple of thoughts that she had to think about, but watching her being able to take it from there straight to the golf course and hit some really nice shots uh that made her happy, most importantly, like that's to me, that's the end all be all right there. Like, that's what really brings joy to me and and makes me enjoy these things more.
SPEAKER_01Well, I've I've told you before, you have such a way of explaining things that there is no there is no buffering when you go from range to play. Like there isn't this, oh, I'm gonna play bad today because I just had this tip, but it only enhances and and improves what you're trying to do. Um we had a we had a couple little tweaks and light bulb moments throughout the trip when we were grinding away and talking golf swing and in the evenings, and I think I made the comment to you um it was the first time I'd really understood and felt this lead leg kind of engage and how it engages and how it's such an awkward for me feeling because it I've never done it before, but like it's so screwed in, and my my chest is is turning because of it. Uh, and you feel like you're gonna pull it, or at least I feel like I'm gonna pull it, and you but it's all kind of working together, and you get these feels and um yeah, it's fun. Yeah, I just think you do a great job of that, and you could see it with her and with Ken. And there wasn't this, oh, we're gonna go play bad. Like they knew, oh, Michael's giving me something like this is gonna improve a like if I can I wish I could have done I wish I could have done more for Ken.
SPEAKER_00But you know, the the problem with there is a drawback to the way I teach and and full transparency is you know, there's people that are kind of quick fixes, and you know, Pete Cowan says it best you gotta be a quick quick fix coach first and foremost. Like that's how you that's how you kind of build your credibility, that's how you get your name out there. But then there's also like this development. side to it as well to where you're putting people on a track. This is the way we're going to go forward. And it has to kind of work in this order. And it's like, man, it's I'm so close with Ken and I can't wait because it's going to be awesome because we're not far away from it.
SPEAKER_01But we've also battling a foot injury that I feel really bad for him. You can tell he's got that foot thing going on, which I don't think is helping him you can tell it's bothering him to the point that he's not saying it but it's bothering him to to the point that he had to go get a shot the day before we played Cypress because he knew he was going to have to walk. So the guy is so committed he was like I'm going to the doctor I'm getting the shot I'm playing damn it. I'll be there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Which I which I think is so cool, right? Like that he was the soldier and through but I mean we're going to we're going to get that ship righted and we've got so many good things in in place. And the problem is is like sometimes you're and this is the the hard part for me as a coach is sometimes you're in this kind of like in between stage. And I've been there with you a few times as well to where hey we we're working on getting you know you to load into your trail side like we were kind of stuck there for a little while. And it's like oh I feel like I loaded better but I I hit it way offline. And it's like well yeah because we haven't really worked on the brake yet. We had to kind of teach you how to use the gas pedal once we can use the gas pedal then we can start using the brake. I know the pitch count with Ken right now he still man found a way to hit some really really good shots. So I'm excited for Ken uh excited for Jenny excited for you. You know it's it's it's fun right now like I I definitely feel like I've got to the point in my career coaching wise to where I have a pretty good working understanding of what what needs to happen the order we're going to go in to get there. Everybody's different everybody you know comes to me with a different set of conditions a different set of kind of they have this going on and and what have you but man it's it's fun right now because I definitely definitely am seeing a lot of my clients really playing well getting a lot of positive messages from people like shooting personal best uh qualifying for things uh professionally doing well making money on the golf course um a lot of good things man and it it's fun because I I as a coach need that like I need to know like hey am I do like I feel like I'm doing the right thing for people I I've said it before I'm a golf fiduciary I have to do what's in the best interest of the people in front of me but when when they reach out and they're like man I I hit a drive but I I haven't hit or hey man like you know I just shot a 65 or whatever you you know that you're doing the right stuff so I'm I'm really geeked right now it's golf season people are playing better. You know one you know I've I've got a got a couple clients who definitely aren't strong golfers you know they're newish or they're just very busy people and they're and they're just not great golfers. And I've I've had a couple of them they're always the ones that keep me up at night uh because I want them to get better. I want them to become good golfers. And you know I've had a couple of them come in and they're like you know I was worried I was really worried because like when we're doing lessons and stuff I'm just not seeing it. And you know I I'm always I always feel like those are are sales jobs in a way to where you got to keep reinforcing like hey man you're getting better you're getting better you're getting they're not seeing it but you're still selling it nonetheless like you're getting better. And like you know what man like I got on their golf course and I really did hit it better. Like I really did see stuff that was better. And it it's that's awesome because so many bad golfers are just hopeless man. They feel like they're they're stuck being a bad golfer forever and they're just never going to figure it out and it's really nice to be able to take those people and give them the gift of of that because man there's just we talked about it a lot on the trip there's just nothing better than standing there looking down a shot and pulling it off and hitting one solid and that's just that's the stuff dreams are made of so to be able to give that ability or to share that ability with people uh there's there's just nothing better.
Why The People Make The Trip
SPEAKER_00I I love what I do I'm fortunate to do what I do uh and and luckily I think I do a good job of of having some empathy and understanding where people are coming from and recognizing that maybe it doesn't mean the same to them as it means to me but that doesn't dilute it in any way it still means something to them. So I really really appreciate the people I get to work with and it and so happy to hear that so many people are playing better. Yeah it you're um I I think at times you don't give yourself enough credit for the talent that you have um I'm I'm very lucky to have found you and cultivated this great relationship and been able to work with you and now go on golf trips with you and um we're just getting started what what started as a a uh hopeful DM to you to I love the fact that we have the Brooks Jenna thing going on and every time somebody's like how ask Jenna they're like how did you meet Brooks? She's like I slid into his DMs oh is that what she did I didn't know that yeah is that what she did yeah I mean she she jokes about it all the time but yeah she slid into his DMs just like you did big guy yeah I mean I was now we're making sunset heart hands on the beach I know I was I was in a search mode and couldn't figure it out and saw this one post and went and looked at your stuff and I was like maybe he's got an answer for me and here we are and shout out shout out to I know the post you're referring to but shout out to Parker uh short game chef Parker McLaughlin uh I talked to him on the phone this morning and he was just you know I I am not big time like I I know that Jennifer called me an influencer but I am no influencer I am I am not this big thing um that some people accuse me of being but Parker is uh like Parker's a big deal and you know man like talking to him on the phone this morning about Cyprus he was just so engaged with it and so interested in in what I thought and how I played and I just thought that was really cool of him like he didn't have to he didn't have to entertain me that way and he did and you know it's I really the past couple years man like is really been special for me. Like I've met some really amazing people uh people that I really care about in my life uh Parker being one of them you can Jennifer like just amazing people uh that are very selfless and very kind to me and uh I really appreciate it man it's it's been great and you know I I wouldn't have you know I would love to Aram is my brother in arms here at Measured Golf in Ann Arbor uh our strength and conditioning guy and and I've been on great trips with him and the you know if unfortunately golf is a foursome game so you're limited with the people that you can spend it with um but if we could have played a five some and had Aram with us I mean that that just would have been over the moon but it it's been really great meeting more Arams uh and having more Arams in my life so I'm very very appreciative of it and I hope you know that and I hope that Ken and Jennifer understand that and I hope the listeners to this because it's it's everybody man like you know the people that reach out via social media uh I think a lot of people are surprised that if you reach out to me I will get back to you pretty quickly um but it's it's because you got to you know you got to invest you know Mike Adams said this and I've said this before in 2019 at the summit you know you got to invest in yourself and you got to learn to ask better questions. Well you I'm gonna add one thing to that you got to invest in yourself you got to learn to ask better questions but you also got to invest in others and I I think that's key you got to put your faith in humanity and and realize that there's a lot of good people out there and if you're open to it you'll you'll meet a lot of good ones along the way yeah well said well said and as we're signing off um hand up I I need to apologize to you we're thinking of a a gift for Ken and I by the way if you know Ken Noonan it's a good time to be invited to his house he's got something nice to share with you yeah I uh I could have sworn that he was a he he drank and and was a wine guy and um you were in Kentucky visiting your mom and you were thinking like what do we get Ken and I was like man you you brought up I'm here in Kentucky I'm thinking about suburban I said that would be awesome that that is well curated you're there it shows some real thought you're gonna go find something really cool that is hard to find places and you had UPS could not have packed this better you had had this bubble wrapped put it in the travel bag made sure that it's gonna make it um we put it in his locker I know you were excited to give it to him and he's like oh this would be great for my guests that come over I don't drink and I'm like I screwed him I screwed him honestly though what what do you I mean Ken is a very fortunate man he's done well I don't know what you would have gotten yeah he's got it yeah like what would I mean so I I'm super happy about it uh it doesn't bother me at all ken is obviously an amazing entertainer enjoys having people around and now he has something else to share with I I I honestly think he he was fine with it and I like I said if we didn't get him a bottle of booze what were we going to get him like it it would have been an impossible impossible task so the man is very fortunate and has a lot of good things in his life so I I'm okay with it so I'm not you're not in the doghouse for that one. I'm letting you off the hook for that one. Well this was uh or the hotel like it's we it ends up being a way better story with the hotel being the way it was than if we would have had something and and honestly like I told you and and this is where we talked about you cutting yourself a little bit of slack you know if Google was in town for a conference man those rooms have been booked up for months. Yeah they would have been gone anyway so yeah yeah so we we were fine I was just the only thing that I was disappointed with with the hotel is that the the ceiling was not mirrored and it was not the honeymoon suite that was the only thing that upset me the the lobby the to give people a glimpse the lobby ceiling was mirrored it was there were a lot of different color lights and flashing lights at the entrance I mean this was a unique place.
SPEAKER_01It was a vibe um we're very lucky that we made it I think what's really happening is um Chuck got introduced to some public golf yeah I want to say okay I'll let me say something about the the public golf so they charged us five hundred bucks to play possum and I've been wanting to play this place so you know it wasn't a big deal like I I'm gonna play it you know it doesn't matter and you quickly because you have an eye for it because you you round more public golf than I am that's all I know brother you saw these guys on the putting green this group in front of us you the minute we pulled up you said man we're gonna have a problem this group in front of us I was like really and you're like yeah I know I can just sense it I can tell and we saw it off the first T and then when they nearly killed someone on the third T and didn't
Coaching Joy, Public Golf Rant, Closing
SPEAKER_01bother to yell four and then when they got in the sand traps and didn't rake anything if you for the public golf people that are listening to this podcast start a movement like be the change be the change of had had and and I will say they did one nice thing they let us through on nine had we not gotten through them we do not finish um and so I thank them for letting us through but the public golf people be the change rate the bunkers fix the ball marks keep up um I had to come I had to I had to take some deep breaths when we were out there and you're just laughing you're like this is this is normal and it was funny because on like the third or fourth hole I like walked over to you I'm like Chuck this public golf brother you did and once I figured out it was public golf I was in my wheelhouse like I started making pots started making birdies I was like hey this is public golf I know what I'm doing here I'm getting frustrated with the greens like why are they slow? Why do these things suck right now? Uh has anybody fixed a ball mark in a month out here oh look there's more footprints in the bunkers um public golf baby public golf and that was high end public golf I'll say I'll also say this I want to know what the group in front of us did for a living because for those guys to want to come out and shoot a million if they had count if we they USGA rules had counted everything they're gonna like 149 is what they're about to walk in with for those guys to to willingly pay five hundred bucks to go do that I want to know it's like the wolf of Wall Street I will quit my job and come work for you show me your pay stub like I I'm I don't know what they do I'd love to know what they do for work because I can't believe that they'd want to light $500 on fire like that.
SPEAKER_00Public golf baby editing my rant is over that that is it I'm done so I was gonna say that Chuck has shared some amazing things with me and unfortunately I am now pulling Chuck down to my level and sharing my life with him with sleazy hotels and public golf.
SPEAKER_01Welcome to my world brother yeah yeah well uh this has been so fun to recap um I'm kind of glad that we didn't do it that night so that we could really process everything that we saw and happened and had a chance of me because I was so tired at night.
SPEAKER_00He's like I I've never heard you like this before um so I I'm uh I'm kind of glad that we got a chance because it was um it we're not and we're not doing it justice we're not doing anything that we experience justice the photos that we're posting are not doing anything justice um it it was absolutely one of the best experiences everything doing anything any justice is this amazing hat that I have on yeah the hat's pretty cool it's doing some justice and my new prized possession and his and his he's peacocking right now he's peacocking full Wayne Brantley peacocking I have got the Cypress point belt and I will promise you one thing sir I'm not going to be buried but when I am cremated I will be wearing this belt yeah but it it was uh and it was fun that I got to celebrate basically celebrated my 35th birthday out there uh so it was I was gonna I was gonna close with that thanks for beating me to it uh oh okay well I'll let you close this out then yeah I was gonna close with that uh Chuck's birthday was uh the 20th of May uh 35 big milestone he's made it this far uh we can start trusting him probably a little bit more now that he's into his mid 30s officially yeah um but no it was man it was it was a great trip and with it being so close to your birthday I thought that was cool uh maybe was one of the first people to wish you a happy birthday that very early morning as we were sitting yeah in the San Jose airport um at 5 a.m 4 a.m yeah something like that but yeah I mean it it's to your point and I I think I don't think we can say it enough times we're not we're we're not paying any any service to MPCC or oh by the way before I don't know if you noticed yet or not but if you notice the flag flying I saw them and they I put them I wanted to put them up top where they rightly deserve to go but if I put them up top nobody's gonna see them so I really am a big fan of having cypress point over my right shoulder and Monterey Pensa over my left shoulder. I think I think that'll do just fine. But the flags are flying uh we are peacocking to steal from Mr. Wayne Brantley for sure.
SPEAKER_01Uh and I know Chuck is wearing his uh cypress point hoodie currently and the workout hoodie yeah I was really surprised that this was in their shop and I'm I love a good workout hoodie and I snagged it pretty quick.
SPEAKER_00Yeah so he's got the workout hoodie on got his mocks hat on uh celebrate money mocks again shout out the money mocks so I know he is fully geeked coming off the birthday cake high uh and an incredible trip so yeah unbelievable if you uh want to check out the the photos uh that I took you are welcome to go and find me on Instagram at theforceplate guy I've never been one to go viral and I don't know really the definition of that but this post has got to be close it's up to like 1200 likes or something it's people are going crazy over Cypress. I know Chuck is going to do one so if you're interested in reaching out to Chuck, any ideas, topics that you'd like to hear on the podcast or to check out his Cypress Point post that he will be doing shortly you can find him at Hudlow423. If you are interested in seeing the amazing belt or the flags or the hats that we're wearing you are welcome to find us on uh YouTube by searching Measured golf not only do we have the podcast video version up there but we also uh have a lot of content up about things you can do with your golf swing uh videos that I've made content that I've made a lot of people were into that stuff so you're more than welcome to find that while you're there at our YouTube page and if all of that is just a bit too much and you can't remember any of it you can always go to the measuredgolf.com website and everything is there and linked. So it's been an amazing trip. I know I'm very tired. I'm sure Chuck is as well so we're gonna leave it here for this week but look forward to coming back with even more great golf content next week. So until then keep grinding.
