The Family Court System Is Failing Our Kids

Rosario Chico is a DHS insider, whistleblower, and mother—now facing criminal charges for trying to protect her kids. After reporting abuse, getting a protective order, and being told by DHS to seek emergency custody, Rosario fled for safety… only to be arrested and labeled a kidnapper.

Why? Because of one powerful player in her case: the guardian ad litem. A woman Rosario, says lied under oath, hid evidence, and had personal connections with opposing counsel.

🎧 In this shocking episode, Rosario reveals:
✅ Why she filed a federal lawsuit against her GAL
✅ How the court failed her children—even with proof of abuse
✅ The disturbing pattern of retaliation and collusion she uncovered
✅ What really happens when the wrong people get courtroom power
✅ How you can help her fight back before it's too late

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction: A Whistleblower's Struggle
• 3:53 The Legal Battle Begins
• 6:59 Working for Child Protective Services
• 18:05 Guardian Ad Litem Controversies
• 24:05 Uncovering Systemic Failures
• 33:13 Guardian Ad Litem Controversies
• 43:22 Advocacy and Public Awareness
• 53:58 Call to Action and Resources
• 57:42 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

Transcript

ROSARIO CHICO DONE BABY

[00:00:00] Speaker: What happens when a child welfare worker becomes the one needing to protect her own kids from the very system she worked for?

[00:00:09] 

[00:00:19] Speaker: Rosario o Chico is a DHS insider turned whistleblower who's now facing criminal charges for trying to save her children from abuse. Her story is raw, emotional, and a must hear for anybody who believes the system always gets it right.

[00:00:36] Rosario, I wanna say thank you so much for being here and I don't know anyone who thinks the system always gets it right, but 

[00:00:44] Rosario Chico: thank you so much for having me. It's, very important to be able to speak about what's happening in our personal cases and then also what's happening in the system and speak to it to a level that law allows and that we're protected to speak on.

[00:01:03] Tiffanie: Is, this is just crazy how a system that meant to protect your children can also be the ones who put them in harm's way. 

[00:01:13] Rosario Chico: I never expected this. I never expected at all to. Experience any of this. Before this, I really thought that if somebody needed help and if somebody was a victim and in particular children, I really [00:01:30] thought that it was a system that helped and that would help.

[00:01:34] And I realized just quite the opposite. I didn't get involved with the system until after I filed a first police report for domestic violence. And I really only did that because I was hired by a first 48 TV producer. He was the creator of the first 48 as a homicide show, and he hired me to do a sizzle reel on a women's prison, , cosmetology program.

[00:02:07] And so I was there. And , there was a woman that I met, Tony Hall, and she had received like about 33 years for enabling abuse of her children while the perpetrator got a little slap on the wrist, I think one year, and she wasn't even. Home when it happened. I think she was at work is if I remember correctly.

[00:02:31] And so he got a slap on their wrist and she who was a victim of domestic violence and didn't do the abuse to her children, got over 33 years, about 33 years in prison. And so. She was my example of what happens when you don't report. And at this recording there was a graduation and it was probably the most dignified setting that her and her fam children had ever been in.

[00:02:59] , There was [00:03:00] a graduation cake and there was it just, it was set up like a gym type graduation celebration. And so whenever. Her children were there and her children are at this point, towering over her, much taller than her. She's crying, they're embracing her, they're hugging her, they're crying, and I'm behind the camera crying 'cause I was a shooter producer on that case, on that show, I just thought to myself as I witnessed that, I just thought, my God, this is the story that the world needs to see.

[00:03:34] What I was there to film was. Important, but me witnessing this from this woman that had been convicted and that her children are longing for her, even as now grown children, I just thought, , this is the story. This is what the world needs to see. About a week later, week and a half , at most two weeks was when I filed first ever a police report for domestic violence after it happened in my home, and I really thought that the system would protect and it didn't.

[00:04:10] What mattered was what attorney did you walk in with and how connected that attorney is and what resources. Someone has and means and privilege and income, and I've been fighting ever since. So since May of 2018. And what's [00:04:30] so incredibly just eye-opening really. Right? Like if anybody wants to doubt anything.

[00:04:37] I have been trying to get a divorce. Our divorce has been pending for over seven and a half years. No mediation. It's like a brand new divorce with a lot of scarring. And right now we are in guardianship court where the grandmother has a guardianship of the children. There's a protective order against the father, but, , that he can't be near the children a hundred feet, but they're violating that order.

[00:05:05] Nobody's. Following it, not law enforcement, not the District attorneys, whether in Wagner County or in Tulsa County, the Guardian has allowed the father just to. Really take physical custody of the children and nobody to do anything. Even though there's this protective order that is still in place.

[00:05:28] And so it's really been a catch 22 system. , The state of Oklahoma all just say it loves to prosecute women, , in particular women of color. , We have one of the largest incarcerations. Rates in the state and therefore the world. And we have a very high incarceration for women and particularly women of color.

[00:05:52] , Most of these women have been victims themselves of domestic violence, of child sexual abuse, of sexual abuse. [00:06:00] Were just. Seeing that the actual perpetrators, those actually abusing children and women are getting slaps on their wrist. Many dismissed criminal cases where again, it's women are just being heavily prosecuted and heavily convicted and so.

[00:06:20] , And it depends on what means you have, right? Because, I'm sure that there's a lot of men that don't have the same privilege and that are of color and, , we, , lock 'em up and throw away the key as well. And so it just depends on what resources do you have that you're gonna be successful.

[00:06:39] And I don't even wanna say successful, but that you're gonna get a two tier, , system where the outcome of justice is just different. If you have the means and come from a family of influence and, , have a good employment and a good attorney versus if you don't. , It's a very difficult system.

[00:06:59] I do work for Child Protective Services. I've, , been working for them for going close to six years. And it's been the best work of my life, yet at the same time, very triggering because as a worker, I get to experience a lot of failures in servicing families and protecting children, but it's also an opportunity for me to treat families.

[00:07:26] Different than what I was treated as, than what [00:07:30] my children were treated as. And so, , it's very difficult work. You know, not all workers are not good workers or that they don't care or just collecting a paycheck. I have met very good workers that are very dedicated. , With that said, I think a lot of those workers, and I know because they have voiced it to me.

[00:07:50] It weighs heavy on them whenever they see their own employer, their own employment, not take care of families to the best of their abilities. And a lot of these workers become sick and , it takes a toll on them. And, , from our training, , if I remember correctly, from. Back almost six years ago, like suicide rates are actually very high among child protective service workers.

[00:08:20] , It's, it takes a toll, , it's secondary trauma. But with that said, I just, I think there needs to be overall just. A reform and we need to have a system that doesn't think that it's perfect as it is, but yet that it's ever evolving, always checks and balances and trying to do the best for families.

[00:08:42] Went to go work for DHS after it failed my children horribly. 

[00:08:49] Speaker: Why were you arrested for child stealing? 

[00:08:53] Rosario Chico: Well, I tried to get help for my children. We had a DHS investigation. Two of my [00:09:00] oldest children disclosed. My youngest wasn't interviewed, and it was the same. Or close to the same disclosures as had been previously.

[00:09:10] My children had been forensically interviewed before this time there was a medical forensic exam and that exam confirmed child sexual abuse by the father. DHS told me and I audio recorded it, and thank goodness that I audio recorded it, but they called me and they told me that they were going to substantiate child sexual abuse against the father and told me that I should get an emergency custody, , apply for it, get my attorney to, to file for it.

[00:09:42] What I filed for was an emergency protective order because having tried to protect my children before these emergency orders were. Typically not granted, like, child custody emergency orders. My children had been failed by DHS previously by, , the courts previously and the guardian ad litem. And so in a guardian ad litem is a attorney.

[00:10:07] It can also be a therapist in the state of Oklahoma, but in our situation, it's an attorney that's supposed to be there for the best interest of your children. Whenever DHS called me to tell me that I went and I got a protective order and it was granted, and so I left the state of Oklahoma under that protective order.

[00:10:27] But what had happened was the father [00:10:30] showed up to family court with his attorney, and he tried to get emergency custody of the children. Even though there was this DHS investigation, child Protective Services investigation, and in the alternative, they asked for the grandmother to get custody of the children and the family court judge denied their request.

[00:10:52] Acknowledge the protective order. The protective order got served to the father. In fact, it got served before they filed for the emergency, so he was actually violating the protective order by trying to get the children and coerced the children, scare the children, silence the children, and so the judge left the children with me.

[00:11:12] DHS left the children with me. I had a protective order. I had filed to suspend visitation and I left the state of Oklahoma. I was scared to be in the state because dad had a history of domestic violence, and not only that. He would threaten suicide. When I was with him, he would cut himself with knives.

[00:11:34] He would call me from train tracks and I could hear the trains in the back. He would, he, one time he pushed me out of the bathroom and he got my hair dryer , and turned on the water. And so a lot of. Part of the abuse was him threatening to hurt himself. And so I was just scared that what happens if for the first time ever there's accountability?

[00:11:59] What is [00:12:00] he gonna do whenever? I had already experienced a lot of what he did, and so I didn't feel safe. My legal team didn't feel that I should stay at home. , Just, just didn't feel safe. And so I left the state. I tried to contact a domestic shelter here in Oklahoma, and it was filled up. It was packed up.

[00:12:21] , There wasn't enough room. And there wasn't, , you just have to keep calling every day, and hopefully there's something, my hope is that domestic violence services are funded better, better grants, donations prior, whatever it is, because you have to call every single day. And if they don't have an opening.

[00:12:46] You, you don't get in, right? And so Oklahoma didn't have an opening. Tried Kansas, couldn't find opening, tried New Mexico, couldn't find an opening. Tried Texas. Couldn't find an opening. Finally, I, I ended up in Arkansas and I ended up there for several reasons. One, my legal team had contacted the US attorney and let them know what was happening with the guardian ad litem that was in, involved with the attorneys, with the judges.

[00:13:17] And that US attorney, what they advised was for me to go to the Mexican consulate and being a resident of Tulsa. My nearest consulate [00:13:30] at the time was in Little Rock, Arkansas, about four hours. And so a US attorney was the one that said, go get help at the Mexican consulate. And so that was the destination that they thought, , because there was just cion occurring between the judges, the attorneys, DHS the guardian ad litem.

[00:13:51] And so they thought that, you know, that would be a solution. . Also my child got sick. My youngest, he got diagnosed with an autoimmune diagnosis and I took him to urgent care. I took him to the ER two times. , They sent me home, , and I knew there was something wrong and I needed to get help.

[00:14:11] So I called a doctor that was in Arkansas. That doctor said, bring him here and I will. Make sure that he is looked at. I will not send you home until we figure out what's going on. And so I went to Arkansas and my little guy ended up in ICU at the Arkansas Children's Hospital. And , the doctor told me like, don't get scared.

[00:14:34] They're gonna do all sorts of tests all sort, you know, cancer tests, all sorts, like just to make sure that he's okay and that there isn't anything that. Just rule out anything and make sure that they get the proper diagnosis. And she said, , they're not gonna size you up whether you have insurance, not insurance, not good insurance, because it's a, it's one of the best hospitals for children in the nation, probably top three.

[00:14:58] She just thought, that was the place to go. [00:15:00] So two things as to why I ended up in Little Rock. Arkansas area was one. Law enforcement. , A US attorney from the US Attorney's Office, , recommended that I go there and two, a doctor told me, come here, I'll make sure your child is taken care of. And , it's, if I don't go there, it'd be me not following the instructions of a US attorney who does federal charges and also me not following.

[00:15:31] The direction , of a doctor, right? And if something happens to my child, then I'd have way more legal issues right now. And , I took my child there and he got help and I did what I have to do to protect my children physically, medically, , mentally. And I was able to get into a domestic violence shelter there, and that's where I was.

[00:15:54] And I was arrested for child stealing. Now, whenever I got arrested. They told me it was kidnapping and they did two charges and , we're still trying to get to the bottom of it, but and how it happened. But the Tulsa district attorney gave the state of Wlo of Arkansas or somebody gave the state of Arkansas two crimes to warrant for the warrant.

[00:16:21] Child stealing and kidnapping. Child stealing is a more of a custody dispute, right? All if you're in a different [00:16:30] state. Law enforcement isn't gonna be trying to get a woman with her children out of a domestic violence shelter. You add kidnapping to it, which is a way more severe charge, and also like the bond is very high.

[00:16:46] Then whenever you add that it's very severe, so they're gonna come get you wherever you are. I have attorneys that suspect, , just from speaking to many attorneys, having my case reviewed and examined by many attorneys, like the belief is that they fabricated a kidnapping warrant to be able to get ahold of me and the children before I could get help, before I could turn that protective order.

[00:17:12] And domesticated in Arkansas before Child Protective Services could take over in Arkansas, so on right before I could get just more help there. There's a lot of question as to what all did they do and I have not been able to get discovery. I have gotten some discovery, but not all discovery and, , the guardian ad litem.

[00:17:36] Contacted the district attorney to have him prosecute me, and that's outside of her scope entirely. That is not what a guardian ad litem does. But what she also did is, and, and I knew there was issues with this guardian at Litem long ago and very early on in the case, so I found several cases where [00:18:00] she always recommended sole custody to opposing counsel's clients.

[00:18:05] Several cases. It didn't matter what the evidence was, it didn't, and even when the father wasn't if represented by opposing counsel, even when they weren't asking for sole custody, she was still recommending sole custody. There's a case with a, she was a, she still is a kindergarten teacher. She might be doing another, .

[00:18:27] Maybe an art teacher now or something. But I looked at her evidence, I looked at her guardian ad litem report. Basically, they had a child that was, , lower functioning and about maybe 5-year-old mentality of a five-year-old, but was maybe about 12 at the time that father left Marks on that child all over her body, like hand prints and neighbors got involved.

[00:18:49] DHS got involved. D the mom was a domestic violence victim in, in her marriage and DHS. Child Protective Services basically told her that if she didn't come forward and speak out against the father, that they could criminally charge her. And so she did. But then in that case, child Protective Services ended up not substantiating and instead recommended anger management to the father, which I highly doubt he's ever had to truly do.

[00:19:19] And that mother and her attorney, they asked for a children's public defender for the children. Opposing counsel wanted a guardian ad litem and what guardian ad litem did, they get [00:19:30] the same guardian ad litem that I have in my case, that guardian ad litem came in and recommended custody to the father.

[00:19:37] Even with all that evidence, and so I've heard from other attorneys that I've interviewed that this guardian a lineup and opposing counsel are a duo. That's how they've described them. And based on the evidence that I've seen and other cases that I've spoken to, I mean they certainly are. So I filed a lawsuit against this guardian ad litem February of 2021, a federal lawsuit, and it was pending, and here's the father about to be accountable, held accountable, and so she had to intervene just as she had been intervening throughout to not protect my kiddos.

[00:20:14] From very early on, she told me. Do not contact Child Protective Services. Do not take the kids to the doctor. Do not call law enforcement. And if I did, I was gonna lose my children. And so I was terrified to do any of those things. The only recent DHS got involved the last time whenever I went to a domestic violence shelter was because they audited the cases and I have.

[00:20:39] Child Protective Services, audio recorded, where a district director calls me and she tells me that DH has violated the policy that my children's investigations did not go the way they should have. And so they did an audit and re-investigated, and that's where that medical exam, if you read the medical [00:21:00] exam, it says it's confirmed.

[00:21:03] They don't want anybody to get ahold of that medical exam. They want to keep everything. Really covered up. , But what they did, , and , they try to make claims that the guardianship is confidential, but what they did is they turned a confidential matter into a criminal matter. And whenever you get into criminal court, it becomes public record.

[00:21:26] Right. We have DHS record. That whenever people get criminally prosecuted through a DHS case or if there was DHS involvement and there's a criminal outcome that comes out of that, those DHS records, CPS workers, which records, which usually require a court order to release or so on, those records become part of discovery and become public open records, and nobody can stop that whenever there's a criminal case because you make.

[00:21:57] A confidential matter into a public matter in the moment it becomes a criminal case. So that's how I've been able to continue speaking about my case, is that they themselves turned this case into a public matter. They themselves turned in guardianship files to the prosecutor and more with this guardian ad litem.

[00:22:18] She is bound by Oklahoma Law and also a court order in family court to confidentiality. What she did after I got the [00:22:30] protective order, and they knew that dad was gonna be substantiated by DHS for child sexual abuse, she wrote an affidavit for the paternal grandmother to get guardianship of the kits.

[00:22:43] They thought I wasn't gonna find out, but I research I'm an investigative producer, I'm all about finding and digging. , To get the truth and so I found out that the grandma's attorney that was recruited to represent grandma was also the guardian ad litem's adoption attorney for her own personal daughter, and in the state of Oklahoma law states that a guardian ad litem has to disclose any conflicts of interest.

[00:23:15] Any past relationships with any parties, attorneys, judges. And they still to this day have not, she still has not disclosed those relationships and they think that the show is just gonna go on. They think that it's gonna be delayed. They think that they're gonna keep me from due process and from my children, and that somehow this is gonna go away and it's not gonna go away.

[00:23:40] But she is in contempt of court because she provided an affidavit to grandma. And to the guardian. And that affidavit is filled with untruths, with lies, with perjury. But nonetheless, she provided an affidavit whenever her role is confidential, that's outside her scope, , [00:24:00] she should be in, in contempt for that, is in contempt for that.

[00:24:05] , And I'll be filing that shortly. , The more. I review my case and the more I, research , and look through statutes and guardianship statutes, family statutes, , title 12 statutes, the more i I uncover of how they completely circumvented what the process was. They violated the judicial process.

[00:24:27] I do have a judge's findings where he stated that they had violated the judicial process by combining the guardianship case and the family court case. They did it without a motion. They did it without a court order. I mean, I think they just thought I was never coming up for air and they just did whatever they wanted to and violated the entire process.

[00:24:51] Um, 

[00:24:52] Speaker: it needs to be fired and put in jail. 

[00:24:55] Rosario Chico: I agree. I agree. The damage she has done to so many families, so many families. , There's one woman I spoke to and she had her in her case long ago. She was the guardian ad litem. Then this guardian ad litem went to go work for child protective, well not child protective service, but like, adult Protective Services, but it's still all Oklahoma Human Services.

[00:25:16] So she was the guardian ad litem. She goes and works for Oklahoma Human Services for over a year, and then she comes right back into the case and it's like, that's not what you're supposed to do. You go and get [00:25:30] another job, you file with the court and you say, I'm no longer a guardian at litem. In this case she that ca and it's what they love to do, leave these cases pending for so long, right?

[00:25:40] So she stayed as a guardian ad litem the entire time, even though she obtained employment. From Oklahoma Human Services, and then she thinks she can just come right back in and be the guardian, a litem. And the thing about this guardian ad litem blessing or a curse, I don't know, she can't keep her mouth shut and she can't even tell when she's lying anymore or what she's lying about.

[00:26:05] She cannot keep any facts straight and she tells on herself, and I have everything documented. I have timelines, good transcripts. I know every, we have detailed the case, every single perjury,, we have gone through every single transcript have detailed it. She doesn't even know what she has said when, and every time she gets up on the stand, she just commits more and more perjury and she really is at the position where she can't stop because she doesn't even know what all she has said.

[00:26:39] And I do because I'm keeping tally every time she opens her mouth. I know when she said, what, when, what date? And she doesn't, and that's what happens when you lie. Right? , The web of lies just, 

[00:26:53] Speaker: you can't keep up with it all. 

[00:26:55] Rosario Chico: , It's been unbelievable.

[00:26:56] Right? So even recently, I'm sick, I have [00:27:00] medical issues. And, , I've requested for. Proceeds of home cells that has been sitting in a trust for years to be released so that I can get medical treatment. Because at this time, I can't afford anything really. I can't, I can't even afford the copay. I can't afford, I'm on approved FMLA family, , emergency medical leave or something like that.

[00:27:24] , And I have been four years because I have medical issues and so I have to, every single year, I have to update it. But I've exhausted all of my paid sick leave and paid absence. And so I'm at the point where, , I need infusions, I need to see my doctors. I have three specialists. She sent an email that she's gonna be objecting because I owe her a substantial about amount of money.

[00:27:53] And the thing about this guardian ad litem is that she filed the first time that she recommended sole custody to my ex. Under an emergency for me to not be near my children was that back in 2019. And the only reason why that didn't go through was because my ex was arrested in open court for a warrant for domestic violence.

[00:28:14] And that was the last time I paid this guardian ad litem because , it was all fraud. The father had not even completed. He was supposed to do parenting classes to this day, has not done the parenting classes ordered to him. He was supposed to have a drug and [00:28:30] alcohol evaluation. I have never seen that drug and alcohol evaluation.

[00:28:34] And not only she gets up on the stand and she testifies that a Donna Gilbert or something like she doesn't know the name did dad's evaluation for drug and alcohol and that it was fine. I come to find out that this Donna Ann Gilbert and something is her law partner's girlfriend. That's a therapist.

[00:28:56] And they just thought I was never gonna find out, which is a complete conflict of interest. They got the father in there last minute because she signed an, like an affidavit for the father to get the kids, and he hadn't done the drug and alcohol evaluation in months. And so then they, she gets her law partner's girlfriend to do the evaluation and it's these things that she continues to repeat and she thinks that I'm not gonna find out.

[00:29:21] And it's like her herself in opposing counsel. Constantly put it on the record that I'm a investigative journalist, that I'm an investigative producer. They constantly mention it to the court and it's like, why do you think that I'm not gonna keep investigating this? This is my whole life. You took my kids away.

[00:29:40] What I used to do was take care of my kids, feed my kids, play with my kids, take my kids somewhere over the weekend. I don't have that time. So what do you think I'm gonna do with that time? I'm going to investigate you. I'm going to speak to attorneys and there's so many attorneys that give me a lot of information, , and some [00:30:00] willing to one day be on the record whenever they have to be, right?

[00:30:03] They don't wanna do it before that point, and some who you know, just. Off the record, I'm gonna give you the breadcrumbs and you go find it. I'm just trying to be helpful, but I don't I don't wanna be blacklisted type of thing. You know, they don't understand that it's their own fellow attorneys that are giving me a lot of the information that I have, because there's a lot of attorneys that don't agree.

[00:30:27] Speaker: How can you, 

[00:30:29] Rosario Chico: with what's happening? Because they have also have had their clients be railroaded by these people. And while some might be scared to come out front and speak up or enter into my case, they definitely give me information, , and I'm thankful for that. I'm able to find cases, even though I know I don't know the case name, I don't know the year, I don't know the case number.

[00:30:55] And I'm still able to find the cases by just general descriptions. Like one time the guardian ad litem said. That there was some case with a mother that there were about 40 DHS referrals. All she had to do was say that information and I found the woman, I found the case I found. And so anytime they open up their mouth, I'm like, I gotta find that case.

[00:31:21] And then I find that case. And so, but that, those are the skills that I have in being able to find information. And so [00:31:30] anytime that they say anything. I'm registering it, trying to find out, what happened in those cases. And , there was one time I was speaking to her and I audio recorded the conversation and she said, because there's a case where the father did sexually abuse the child.

[00:31:49] And all I could think was, oh my God, I need to find that case because there might be a father that's being falsely accused. Because he has opposing counsel, the same one that I do, but the mother's representing that, that attorney and that dad, the guardian ad litem was not even supposed to be in that case, I think about three years.

[00:32:09] Like she had to have exited the case and in that case, the father's mother was in a probate case where she was like the administrator of what is it, the administrative. Just the administrator of the estate. And so she had been named as that. And this guardian ad litem's law firm comes in and takes this father's mom off that probate and removes her as the administrator.

[00:32:38] Her and her company become the administrator. She even shows up and the court minutes say, Catherine Welch, guardian ad litem. Catherine Welch, she wasn't the guardian ad litem, they're the administrator. Shows up to court, and that's detailed later. Dad is in these divorce proceedings. The guardian ad litem solicits herself to her , [00:33:00] and his wife, who's a paralegal and she's still a paralegal, and that she's, you know, gonna help them.

[00:33:08] And then they say, finally someone's gonna come , and help. In that case, the mother's an addict. She's a meth addict. Many issues. And the stepfather who she married, the guardian ad litem, put in a guardian ad litem report that he was the best adult in the child's life. He ends up going to prison and ends up dying in prison.

[00:33:31] And so this guardian ad litem just gets it wrong time after time, and there just isn't any accountability. But I found that case by her just saying one sentence, and so. 

[00:33:46] Speaker: It makes me think if there's something in her background like, but when you said it was like her adoption thing, the person was tied to that makes me think like maybe jealous.

[00:33:57] She couldn't have her own children, so now 

[00:34:00] Rosario Chico: she's 

[00:34:00] Speaker: going after other people. Like just something doesn't sit right. 

[00:34:05] Rosario Chico: I don't know. And I don't know if it's true or not, like I'll just say this, but an attorney alleged an attorney I spoke to that. She even tried to take her brother's children, and I don't know any details about that.

[00:34:20] I don't know if she tried to get guardianship. I don't know any, anything. I don't know if it's true, if the allegation is true or not. But I just, I've heard from attorneys that she hates [00:34:30] women, that she hates women attorneys. , She always judges them by their clothing , and so on. I don't know.

[00:34:37] Right. I don't know. These are just allegations that attorneys give me. There was an attorney that I spoke to early on and, , she told me this guardian ad litem has got to go, and I didn't even know at the time that you could get rid of a guardian ad litem. And we still have pending disqualification for her, and that's in family court.

[00:34:59] But whenever she comes back and says that she's owed a substantial amount of money. I have asked her for invoices since 2020, fall of 2020 and she hasn't provided them for me, and I have sent her emails and I have evidence and I've called her and she will not provide the invoices. Now she wants to come in and say she's owed money, she wants part of that, you know, money.

[00:35:22] And she filed a contempt of court back in 2021. And all of our family matters are stayed like. All child matters are stayed. So she actually can't, she is part of a child matter. She's a guardian ad litem, so she actually can't come in and try to litigate whenever she's part of the child matters. But now she wants to come in and try to get pad her pockets like she does with every case 

[00:35:48] Speaker: lady.

[00:35:49] I ain't paying you shit.

[00:35:53] Rosario Chico: I mean, that's what my position has been. And so she filed a contempt of court in 2021. She had sent a letter to one of [00:36:00] my attorneys that if I didn't pay, she would have to withdraw from the case. And I just thought, perfect. 'cause if she does. And that she's gonna have to file an action against me. And I was like, perfect.

[00:36:10] That's gonna be cheaper for her to withdraw than for me to have to litigate, which I was right? 'cause look what? Look at all the damage she's done. In my case, I did a not guilty demands a jury trial, and that's pending in family court, that's frozen, that's stayed. I have to have my due process. And I want to go before a jury.

[00:36:33] I want a jury to see everything. This woman has done the evidence, everything, and I want a jury to tell me do I owe this woman this money or not? And not only that, her billing is not correct, and not only is her billing not corrected my case, we've reviewed billing from other cases and she inflates double charges in that man's case.

[00:36:57] She turned in an invoice to the court. She had to modify her invoice. It was off by over $7,000, about $7,000, and now she wants like a thousand dollars from the father. And I'm like, that is so embarrassing. If that were me, I would eat that bill because your money was so off that a judge made you redo it.

[00:37:23] And she shouldn't have been paid for the three years that she was no longer appointed, that she shouldn't have been appointed a guardian ad litem. And [00:37:30] that's actually what's happened in these other cases. Right? I don't know if she's aware or not, but we are aware, cases are aware and she's gonna have pending police reports because she's messing with money.

[00:37:43] And attorneys, you know, it's so sad that they can do whatever they want to you, to your children, fail your children, and so on. But it seems to be the only time that they're held accountable is money. So the more she pushes money issues, the closer we get to hopefully accountability with her, because there's a lot of money issues and she may not even realize that we're aware of them.

[00:38:07] We've gone through a lot of invoices for a lot of different cases. Her billing is completely off. I won't disclose what, what we're, what we'll do next, but, so I really need the invoices. She doesn't know what she's lied about and not lied about. She doesn't know what she said when, and what she doesn't understand is that, you know, she could walk away , and eat it, which is really money that I, I, I don't owe her.

[00:38:32] She hasn't done her job. For the children. She's very fraudulent. She's violating her duty as a guardian, a litem. She could just walk away, but she's so greedy. She just can't. She can't just walk away. , I just pray that there's accountability and I think sadly it's gonna happen in the form of, , money.

[00:38:53] Whenever these attorneys are messing with money, their billing isn't right. They're committing perjury and the [00:39:00] billing doesn't match, and I do think it's gonna catch up with them because we have several cases where the money's not adding up. I just think sometimes, and it's not 

[00:39:07] Speaker: even about the money, the most part, you're messing with people's families.

[00:39:12] Mm-hmm. You're messing with people's children. 

[00:39:15] Rosario Chico: Yeah. But what's so sad is it seems like attorneys just don't get in trouble for damaging the lives of children and damaging family. , The only times that we have seen attorneys be held accountable, sadly, it comes down to money, which is what matters the least.

[00:39:32] I've kept money in a trust for an emergency, and also, and I'm at that emergency, you don't wanna feed the machine, right? Any money that they can get ahold of, they just use it and drain it. And, you know, , Tulsa County is the. Number two, divorce rate in the nation. And people really need to wake up.

[00:39:56] People really need to be paying attention because even if you don't have child safety issues, like there are, in my case, in so many cases, these attorneys will go laughing all the way to the bank. They're going to financially drain you. , There's probate cases where rightful heirs don't get to see money.

[00:40:17] That was. Rightfully theirs. I mean, we're talking just sadly just an abusive system where the only winners are the attorneys. The only winners are the attorneys and [00:40:30] children are heavily just failed by this system. The first time that DHS that severely failed my children, the district attorney called child Protective Services.

[00:40:42] I didn't want them to because. I told him that this guardian ad litem was in the case and that she was an advocate for the father, not, not for the children. And the district attorney's office told me this Guardian at Litem is not doing her job. DHS needs to get involved. And so she was screening out cases with a DHS worker.

[00:41:02] I think this district attorney calling in was, they couldn't screen it out because it was a district attorney calling it in. And so I think the. I could be wrong, but I think the DHS worker didn't call the GAL this time first to try to screen it out. And who got the investigation? , This back was in, back in 2019, and my little girl disclosed then, and, I kept arguing with, with Child Protective Services.

[00:41:29] I was like, how do you know? How do you know? I knew that child's physical abuse had occurred. Never in my life did I ever think. That they would say that child sexual abuse. And I couldn't understand it. And I remember telling the workers and just asking them like, how do you know? Why are you saying this?

[00:41:48] How do you know?, Just turn my whole life upside down. I mean, I just vomited all week. , And ever since my whole life has been turned upside down. In that case, the supervisor of the case, [00:42:00] she, her husband was a coworker of my husband. And friends with my husband and to this day still friends.

[00:42:08] And the supervisor didn't step away from the case. She directly worked the case directly. , She had a very young CPS worker and so she handled the case directly. She didn't walk away from the case. She didn't say she had a conflict. She didn't give it to the district director to handle instead, or let's get another supervisor to step in.

[00:42:27] That was the start of failing my children severely whenever my kiddo started. Playing the cello , and time after the shallow, my oldest, he went to that supervisor's home for shallow lessons. We still have a pending case. This case hasn't concluded. There hasn't been a, , decree. There's no finalization.

[00:42:50] It's like , I still need to put that DHS worker on the stand. I still plan to do a deposition on that DHS worker. I just couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe that after my children were so horribly failed that she would then have my child in her home. I think that just tells you like the lack of accountability that exists, the lack of fear that they think there's gonna be any accountability.

[00:43:17] I think the only way that this stops is if people speak up. I never wanted to go public with my case. Never. My family begged me for three years to go public, to [00:43:30] post on social media, , to get help publicly. And I never wanted to because who wants to, you know, who wants to talk about all these things?

[00:43:38] Who wants to? And I just, I had a hope that the court system would step up and protect and it hasn't and it hasn't because of these key players that don't have the intention to protect children, they only have the intention to protect. Attorneys relationships with attorneys and to have cases go the way that they, that their attorney friends need them to go.

[00:44:00] The people that pepper them with cases that get them appointed to be parenting coordinators, guardian ad litems, mediators, , like they're there sadly, for the best interest of their own pockets and not children. 

[00:44:16] Speaker: I see that a lot and it's very unfortunate and it's time we have to change because this is ridiculous.

[00:44:22] We're putting little children in danger. If somebody has been pretty much confirmed being an abuser in any way, but geez said sexually abusive, what are we doing here? What are we doing? 

[00:44:37] Rosario Chico: There's a case , in Rogers County, it's just like the county over. And it's the same exact opposing counsel and he represents the father and Child Protective Services has substantiated five different times in five different investigations to include child sexual abuse.

[00:44:56] Guess who has the children or the child? The [00:45:00] father. The father has the child. While the mother does not, I have not seen any evidence of this mother being unfit, and it's always the same key players in that case, grandma's attorney. Served as the guardian for the child, even though that child is a Native American iua child.

[00:45:17] And I don't think that this attorney is Native American. And she was, and I could be wrong, but she was certainly not kinship at all. Like she was not kin to the child. And she took guardianship of that child. And what this attorney did, she did an affidavit for the father and the dad's attorney notarized that affidavit and she lied in the affidavit.

[00:45:40] And she said that dad, that mom sent her, , text messages and then it, it all happened within a week. And then later she testifies that, oh, she doesn't have those text messages anymore. She doesn't have that phone anymore. And it's like, this just literally happened. Why don't you have, you're an attorney, you're saying there's an affidavit, you're an attorney, you know very well how to preserve evidence, and you're saying that it's, you know, oh, you don't have those messages anymore.

[00:46:07] How convenient. But in that case, she wrote an affidavit for the father to get the child and they were up. They were gonna have their first like guardianship hearing, and so the judge dismisses the guardianship and then the father uses that affidavit to go file for emergency custody. And that is exactly what they had [00:46:30] planned in my case.

[00:46:31] They thought this was gonna be a very short-lived guardianship one month to three months. And it's turned to we're getting close to four years. And the thing is, I warned Child Protective Services. That case was one of the cases that I gave him as example of this is what opposing counsel does, these are the people he recruits.

[00:46:51] I ended up foreshadowing what was gonna happen in my case before it happened and before these people even walked into the case. Grandma's attorney, Dr. Trenton, that they tried to take my children to this attorney, to this therapist who in that case didn't report child abuse. In my case, he suppressed my children's disclosures and luckily that therapists didn't left seeing my children and didn't continue seeing them.

[00:47:23] But like the damage, I mean, the number of cases that we've spoken to. For each individual attorney therapist, so on. I mean, all the groundwork that we've had to do to investigate and still, we're hopeful and we'll always be hopeful that somebody's gonna look at this and hopefully sooner than later.

[00:47:44] , It's a travesty and it's really a national pandemic, and I really hope that people who haven't been affected by the system get involved because. It's gonna be you one day. , I had someone who supported me and they could have [00:48:00] gotten maybe a little bit more involved, , , and I did a capital rally and then she approaches me and she says, my sis, my daughter's now going, and there was a guardian ad litem , and I just thought, man, , they even had a warning.

[00:48:15] They knew about my case. , They showed up to the capitol , or to the Supreme Court and it's just. I just hope that people who haven't been personally affected yet start to get involved now because it might hurt a loved one of yours. Your own children, you, your grandchildren, at some point, somebody in your family, your friend is gonna be affected by it and by the time you realize it, the case seems too far gone in being able to protect children.

[00:48:45] There's a mom that passed away recently and it's just so tragic and it's weighing in my heart because. There's so many parents that become sick. I know my doctors have told me that my health, , my diagnoses is directly involved with everything that I've had to deal , with this court system and losing my children.

[00:49:03] And I'm not the only parent affected by it. There's been so many moms that get terminal cancer, autoimmune. 

[00:49:12] Speaker: It's all that cortisone, all this stress. 

[00:49:15] Rosario Chico: Yeah. But this mom, I've been connected to her since of 20 20, 20 21. She lost her kids. She was an attorney and her ex was an attorney, but she stayed home and raised kids and so she was the least connected.

[00:49:29] And she was [00:49:30] more of a, like a real estate attorney, if I recall correctly. And she lost her children, he got sole custody and she had to be on supervised visits , and I just hate it 'cause one of her children just aged out and she had a baby at age 52. She had a baby. In another marriage, and that was in March.

[00:49:52] And then shortly after she got diagnosed with stage four pancreatic cancer and she just passed away on the 13th. It's just so sad that she lost her children. She became a mother again at age 52. And that child, it's another child that's gonna miss out on having a mother. There's a mother's network, I don't live near that area, it's in Chicago.

[00:50:19] I got contacted by one of the moms that sees her physically, , and meets with her and so on. It's just, it's so heartbreaking. But what happened in this mom's case is she was sexually assaulted by the Guardian at Litem. It was a male, it was an attorney and mm-hmm. Because she wouldn't sleep with the attorney, she lost her children.

[00:50:38] He gave the recommendation for the father, and not only. Was she the only one assaulted? There were many other WHI assaulted by this man, and he was in the role of a guardian ad litem, and he has criminal charges pending. But what happened, and this is in Chicago, and what happened was these cases didn't get overturned.

[00:50:59] These mothers did [00:51:00] not recover their children. The courts didn't consider the evidence that this guardian ad litem. To retaliate for these women not sleeping with him. They can't even overturn that. And now this woman has passed away and she's one of the victims in the crime and she has, we believe that she did the prelim.

[00:51:22] Like testimony, but we also know how district attorneys work and too often they give little slaps on their wrist dismiss cases, and I've seen it where they can still present to a jury and not have to have the victim testify. And that has happened in, in Oklahoma. And a jury still convicts because the victim was so scared to come and testify.

[00:51:45] And so I am hopeful and we're gonna have to fight for it, but that. That I am praying that they don't dismiss her charges just because she passed away. 

[00:51:54] Speaker: That's a whole nother level of low 

[00:51:57] Rosario Chico: holy 

[00:51:57] Speaker: shit. What the hell? 

[00:52:00] Rosario Chico: So it's so horrible that I'm just like, I, that district attorney better not dismiss the charges that are hers, you know?

[00:52:09] And it's just so tragic that she passed away. She wanted accountability. She wanted her story told. Her story needs to be told, , and it will be told, and , we gotta push for accountability. 

[00:52:22] Speaker: I think judges need to be held accountable a lot of the time too, because they can have the final say.

[00:52:28] And there are times [00:52:30] that deal dismiss a case clearly that need to go to trial. So I think everyone needs to be held accountable. 

[00:52:37] Rosario Chico: Yeah. A lot of these professionals, they'll hide behind immunity even though they're not protected by immunity. If they're violating the law, if they're clearly ignoring evidence to side with an attorney, because the attorney gets them a lot of cases and recruited to the cases, , but they still continue to hide behind immunity, and that's what really needs to change across the board is that they're not protected by immunity.

[00:53:03] But court, after court, after court, federal court still rule that they are, and I think until the highest court of the land, the Supreme Court takes some cases, just even one case, and it addresses it, and it just confirms you have immunity. If you're acting within your role, the moment you're violating the law, playing the system, giving favor to the opposing counsel that hits , you all these cases, that's where your immunity stops.

[00:53:31] And we really need the ruling of a higher court to give permissions to the lower courts to also do the right thing and hold their peers and counterparts. Accountable. , We're asking these judges to hold accountable their fellow attorney. It's unfortunate, like parents and children really are facing a two tier system that doesn't protect their rights or their safety.

[00:53:57] Speaker: I agree. If there is anybody out there [00:54:00] listening that has either any resources to help you or just wanted to reach out, what would be a good way? 

[00:54:06] Rosario Chico: So somebody created a website called Justice for rosario.com and it's justice and then the number four, and then Rosario, R-O-S-A-R-I o.com. , That has on there, , cash App, Venmo.

[00:54:23] Most important it has where you can send a letter to try to get the child stealing criminal charges dismissed. You know, and just sharing the story. There's also a Facebook page that somebody created the, like an advocate trying to help. And that's, , also justice, the number four, Rosario, justice for Rosario, R-O-S-A-R-I-O.

[00:54:46] If people can follow, if people can share, that's also helpful. And, you know, just getting the story out, I've been on the news, I don't know, maybe a, a dozen in times by now. , Just either my case specifically or trying to do advocacy work to try to change what's happening in the system and to bring awareness of what's happening in the system.

[00:55:07] If you're in the Tulsa County area, we are having a rally September 22nd, , 2025, and we're hoping to get a very big turnout. , We have a food truck that's gonna be there. We have a dj, we have a film crew. , Media has already confirmed that they will be there. And we're hoping to just really bring awareness and we're hoping that, [00:55:30] you know, families.

[00:55:31] Step up, even though it's so scary and that individual step up. One of the best things that people can do, even though it's so traumatizing, is get your case organized. Do a sum summary, a short summary of your case, because a lot of the times when people reach out to get help from anybody, law enforcement.

[00:55:51] Attorney, so on. , It's like a novel, right? , It's so traumatic. Everything's important. And so get your case a summary, do a timeline, factual, not emotional, and attach your evidence. And that's really , the best way that you can try to get help , and simplify what happened in your case. And you have to know, you have to start learning what the process is, what the law is.

[00:56:15] Been able to help people more than I've been able to help my own case. Been able to keep some children from being separated from their parents. I've been able to recover some children. I've been able to vacate court orders by helping parents. Been able to do more for parents than again in my own case.

[00:56:32] But the thing about it is like parents have to take the lead. Those that I've been, able to help. They carried the load. They wrote their stuff. They used chat. JPT we're hopeful is that parents will rise up and fight with us. Superman's not coming. What laws are passing that affects us in family court guardianship, child protective services.

[00:56:55] We have to learn what those systems are calling [00:57:00] legislators to pass or not pass a certain bill, meaning with legislators. We have to not just present the problems. We have to present the solutions. These legislators are overwhelmed. They have hundreds of emails, and if you take the time to be proactive, to go to the capitol, go door to door, meet with legislators, tell your story, , there's so much that happens.

[00:57:22] That is so important and 

[00:57:23] Speaker: , I commend you. That's definitely what you're doing. It's unfortunate that you've been through this, but I admire your tenacity for sure. 

[00:57:33] Rosario Chico: And it's tiring. I mean, it is tiring and it makes you sick, but we gotta keep fighting. The whole entire purpose is children and to help change things for children, .

[00:57:42] Speaker: , I wanna thank you so much for being here. I'm gonna make sure I put all those, , links in the show notes, so if anyone needs to reach out, they know how to do that. 

[00:57:52] Rosario Chico: Appreciate it so much. Thank you. Anytime that we get a voice, hopefully it reaches people. Hopefully it gives people, at minimum a warning of what they can do in family court., I was completely blindsided. Your attorney is not using a court reporter. Your attorney didn't believe in your case from day one or didn't care. If it's so important to you to protect your children, you better have an attorney that cares about the record. 

[00:58:19] Speaker: Yeah. All right. Well thank you again.

[00:58:22] Rosario Chico: Appreciate it so much. Thank you.

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